#references♥_1450-1470

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1856-0209-157

nice

Salade, XVe siècle, ?Milan, Musee Armee

ngl i think this game is just copying this like, that's so mean to the people who invented war first fr fr

I thought maybe (no certainty here) it might be related - if this is some kind tradition and if Retsch is even correct in his interpretation - to possibly wearing pieces more suited to tourneys for effigies and sculpture models

this is really neat and weird

yeah it would be neat to see it on someone with the visor down

also the recent catalogue it was in is probably more reliable for dating but thought it was relevant to italian sallets with visors

I like gothic sallets

that is awesome

Id seen those weird helmet frames in the zeugbuchs but never knew what the hell they were for or that they had a similar visor mechanism

very cool to learn

I drew a halberd from memory a while ago, of around the third quarter of the 15th century (1450-1475), how well did I do drawing a halberd of that time period?

you did amazing

I need better photos of the kit...

With the new stuff

helmetss

What a handsome kit

You think you might add some rondels for the pits?

Ask krystof..

please add bear hunting armor for if there are terniments against animals

used rarely but was used for "spectical" in the dark ages

basically a larger buckle sheild

show flexability of the neck

too late maybe fake

way too early

i dont even know

It is real but was very rare since a bear would break your ribs just as easily

show source

This is a real thing but was mostly used by bigger and stronger people since it was very heavy

Don’t have it lol but I’ll do more research since there is a chance it’s not time appropriate

Also what is the time period

this is from the 1800s

i have a feeling it's not time appropriate hoss

What is time period for the game

look at the name of the channel

I didn’t know what it meant 🤷‍♀️

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-gif-8272342975911687520

bros just sayin shit

Dude ts was given to me by my dad and it also not that deep 😭

bro just typin shit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapier

its cannon lets add the rapier

too OP, rapier is a killing machine smh

longer story made short
but

this style of minimalistic spaulders is seen in the schilling chronicles among the swiss side of the burgundian wars, without any besagews.

besides this I also got different spaulders, with huge besagews, more suiting to the overall style of the harness, which I wear for the knightly type of the impression, for harnischfechten etc.

The photos from Feldlager were taken to showcase the leg harness, which was brand new back then, so we omitted the brayette I normally wear, to have a better view of the upper part of the cuisse.

Since then I got the aforementioned spaulders, tassets, and incoming is new helmet (just came back from hardening...), and later in the year hopefully gauntlets and elbows

Essentially creating multiple configurations of the kit with some other stuff i have around

so like this with the brayette, the spaulders with besagews and the tassets attached. Helmet kindly lended by Elthien for the event

Lol, never did manage to find my exact poleaxe on Google, only multiple diffetent poleaxes that were very similar but each had differences. While looking through a book about the battle of tewkesbury I spot my exact poleaxe 😂

Identical

Only slight differences I can see is that the the spike at the top and sides are wider at the bases than what I've done. The painting poleaxe has more rivets down the shaft also.

I think these paintings are based on effigies.

Very convenient because the main battle I reenact is tewkesbury

Very fancy

the house is green

lupus

1450 to 1470

the year

1450

Unsure about the year tho

too late

1500s ish

flail maces would be insane

add fokos/ciupaga, pls, pretty pls.

TELESFORO DA COSENZA

Liber prophetiarium
alfa.M.5.27; folio 39v

what does the numbers mean

oh so this chat is heaven then

I'd love to see some of the more jank duelling shields from Talhoffer (source: 1459 Fight Earnestly, Jeffrey Hull's transcription)

Half sword is the only game that has a chance of pulling these off

I will make these for free, I'm very good with blender + substance + etc; but I would need half sword's texture channel setup (mask maps layout, e.g)

these would be fun too

female characters lol

I NEED to see King René's tourney book stuff in HS

umm idk if this has been suggested but could the peasents get a sledge hammer? like they dont have any blunt weapons really, nothing to "maul" like, like literally crude, handle-hammer, just something for them to use as blunt other than a shit shovel

sorry wrong chat i think

@thorn valley

is that

legal

🥀

It's an unreal engine game, Substance has a preset.

Colour.
Normal.
AO/Metalness/roughness.

(iirc)

It doesn't really matter though since you can design it in one format and substance can export to whatever setup you want on a dime anyway

Is it using Unreal's standard shadee? There are many shaders and nodes you can use within unreal; e.g look what I posted in art, which is technically unity, but uses a completely different shader setup

True

It's just an optimised way of formatting textures.

It does matter if they are using UDIM, e.g

what is?

Storing 1 colour channel images in the same image.

There are many ways of doing it and substance can export whatever you want

Yes, that is why I was asking about channel setup -- so I can export and forget, and be aware if there are weird setups, e.g encoded colors, stencils, that would be good to know in the paint phase. Ofc I can paint without it but it is good to know. It is more a way of reaching out then a design requirement

Yea I've already asked a similar question, you'll have to email them.

Most likely

Did you get to them via email

No, didn't end up emailing them.

Noted lol

It was more of a curiosity.

When we've finished moving our store across town I need to get on and put some historical arms and armour on my portfolio since it's almost completely monster sculpts right now. I'm going to be learning how to make real armour for reenactment so why not specialise in that sort of thing for 3d art too?

That sounds like a dream job

my specializing in game programming, history, and 3d art got me my current job

Historical videogame?

byeah

especially that one cuir boulli arm harness

Ironically no

Well now I'm curious

and the perforated harness!

Huh, odd one

Where is it from?

@verbal bramble

France/Flanders

flanders

I specialise in making arms and armour in 3D, it's really fun

thats cool ramsay

Oh, understood

just saw your 14th century knight, love all of it, apart from maybe the coif. 😅
The maile coif kinda reminds me of carbon fibre and the pattern of the maile would loop around horizontally instead of converging in the middle. Hope this is constructive criticism and not me being a nob lol.

Also, i could be wrong, but as far as im aware the greaves were always seperate from the poleyn. The bottom lame of the poleyn would extend further down and would have a hole near the bottom middle that a small rod on the greave would fit through.

That being said it's possible that im wrong because i really don't know a whole lot about 1300s armour, im a 1400s guy.

Anyone got any patterns to sew an arming doublet of this time period?

antoniolopo

I find this guide useful, but I can't seem to find a pattern, despite the guide stating that plenty of them can be found: https://anno1471.wordpress.com/2021/07/05/practical-guide-iii-how-to-sew-a-doublet-part-i/

I found this one, but no idea if it is any good

yeah no the aventail was purely a result of me being lazy lol

although the one you posted was an older version, the newer one is slightly better but it still doesn't flow correctly

and the poleyn part was just an oversight. I do have another leg harness that has it

This is actually pretty useful. I do wonder if Italian Doublets were any different. Otherwise I'll have to try this eventually

Huh, I assume then I got the right pattern for a doublet

Btw, do german doublets have this kind of pattern? Or is this some other kind of garment?

https://nachtanz.org/sdr-clothing/15th-century-mens-doublets.html This is the website I got the pattern from

what do you guys think about making a new game mode with japanese only weapons and armor?

That's a jack design you find in flanders/france & germany

the maheutre on this one hint me that this particular one might be french/flemish

Maheutre?

the "puffy" round shoulder area

Oh, understood

Thanks

very nice

i find it a shame that the helmets i most adore probably wont be added to the time period restrictions

Let me guess, "hounskull bascinet" ?

What is thos kevlar

A sallet with a sliding visor , most likely so it'd be concealed under a hat

what hat!

16thc German hat

show pls

I'm in bed, scroll up.

Does anybody here know where I can find/Have any links to some well respected, creditied, and geniunely accurate historical sources, articles, or catalogues, that touch upon and cover in depth specific Blunt-Anti-Armor/Armor Countering weapons and arms? That of which includes--but is not strictly, limited to the likes of such Blunt Metallic Armaments as: Maces/Flanged Maces, Gruz's Or Morningstars/Morgensterns, War-Mauls/Sledgehammers for War, Or even just Flails & regular old Warhammers. ~ { It also doesn't really matter to me if the examples shown/referenced are Two-Handed/Polearms, Have Wooden handles/shafts/bodies/staffs or not, what kinda metal(s) is/were used, etc... Idrc which it is/they are shown &/Or written examples of... } The sources I'd be particularly fond of; would be something like a PDF or smth else that's easily accessible to me online, that I can also simply just scroll through? However, other things like Manuscripts or Historical Artistic Recordings of such kinds of weaponry, of any and all kinds would also be greatly, appreciated!

Particularly Flanged Maces and other fancy & brutal weapons of that variant?

The weapons referenced in the Source Material/Example can be from literally anywhere around Medieval Europe within this time period - ( 1450's~1470's ) . ~ { Most preferably from around North-Western Europe-ish, ala England/Modern Day U.K. , France, Northwestern-Germany, The Netherlands & Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, Etc. }

bro is literally willie . he even has the hat . what are the hats called?

bycocket

Another question from an uneducated peasant, why are the bulges unarmoured, considering how unfortunate of getting stabbed to death in your johns is?

well assuming you're fighting mounted, it is quite unlikely that would happen for one

but maille skirts/faulds were a thing, as well as braies of maille

example of a maille skirt

That's badass.

braies of maille i think

3rd question, not art related but eh. Was wailing on your enemy a valid/used tactic? I doubt halfsword is entirely realistic but the ai willies here just kinda try to maul you to death.

Particularly with the pommel?

people did not fight like in halfsword lol

I'd be screwed in 1400s Europe then.

pommel strikes were a thing though

you probably know of mordhau/mordschlag, but if not, it's where you hold the sword by the blade and strike with the handguard and pommel

realistically there would be a lot more intentional gap targetting

Anyone?…

I’m not 100% sure but I think you can find them on Google

kinda, im kind of debated if its the houndskull or the klappvisor, or pigface, or whatever its name is

its a kind of bascinet

visor

thingy

but it isn't just those two, i kinda just prefer the look of 14th century helmets a lot

bascinet with visors are just goated🙏

These might be a tad later. It I was at the imperial armory at Vienna yesterday’s

okay I am being pedantic about this but it's only because I have been obsessed for a long time but also not competent enough to find a source to get me a satisfactory answer

for what is called a schecke in the secondary literature there are endless examples of it being called that . . .in the secondary literature:
https://www.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/service/heiopensearch/treffer.html?qf=&q=Schecke

and I'm sure based on the 1482 German-Latin dictionary Vocabularius teutonicus that where it does refer to Schecke it is probably referring to that garment.

my problem is I've just never seen a 1-1 primary source saying: that thing is a Schecke. instead the one precise reference to it I have found as 'short gown in old Swabian fashion' by Maximilian in 1512 which is then depicted in the triumphal procession. thats decades after the heyday of its fashion though and maybe is his own specific austrian way of referring to it.

what I have also found in secondary sources like this entry is that the Schecke can just be considered as a Wappenrock in the sense of it being worn over armour. and so based on secondary sources I take back any contradiction that it shouldn't be called a Schecke

but based on primary sources I wont be satisfied until I find some perfect corresponding text and illustration

end of autistic rant

that nice George is dated 1450-75 too
🤞 rondels over schecke in HS

Holy shit! Let me get back home I'll read up

the sad face one goes unnecessarily hard

I mean gl knowing how historical sources can be .. You can either find the perfect labelled image or just text saying "jack" without really showing what i look like (multiple designs possibly?)

A funny thing too is that in the burgundian ordonnances they mention "a corset split at the side in the german manner"

which is most probably something like this

split at the side (no backplate) in the german manner (possibly just very popular in germany)

allat instead of just saying something along the line of "a cuirass with no backplate"

Could it not just be referring to the difference between more German style ciurasses and more Italian ones? As in the way that german ciurass is in two parts, front and back, rather than Italian which have a the lower part and the upper part which are each made of the front and back sections hinged together?