references♥_1450-1470

[next orchid]

20 meters is perhaps a bit close for comfort but all fire is more accurate the closer it is

The annihilation was due to the harquebusiers charging (after giving that close range volley, which I think one Spanish source said caused them to stumble or something)

[silver heart]

iirc the landsknecht that were originally positioned behind the harquebusiers came up and met the swiss as they reached the top of the rampart

[next orchid]

the spanish source i read said they just drew their swords and went pell mell amongst the swiss

on a sidenote, apparently some of the french men at arms had dismounted to fight with the swiss to help clear the fortifications

[silver heart]

that’s likely more accurate then since it’s more so a primary source, i had just heard what i had from oman’s art of war in the middle ages

[next orchid]

i think a different source said the spanish just sat at the top and shot at the swiss, but i think that was a later account? its been a while

unfortunately oman's book is really bad (not saying he is wrong in this case, i dont know his source), delbruck's is good though

if u want something similar

volume 3 and 4 i think are the ones

[silver heart]

ah okay gotcha gotcha, i’ve just been skimming through it for one of my history courses and tended to gravitate more so towards the 16th century stuff since that’s my fav period and read that

[next orchid]

yeah delbruck is for sure the guy to read then

oman is somewhat useful for finding some sources (although he often doesnt cite shit) for medieval stuff (but i havent found him useful at all for early modern stuff), for early modern though delbruck still holds up great

[silver heart]

it seemed sketch too anyways since i’m pretty sure his citing for one of the swiss captains being slain in single combat by frundsberg was from an account of some swiss legend whose name i’ve forgotten

or something along those lines

[next orchid]

well i wouldnt discount it inherently, i do think the landsknechts got involved hand to hand. the positioning of the harquebusiers and the landsknechts is a bit confusing though in general

[silver heart]

ah alrighty

@next orchid i’ve also heard that the battle put a pretty noticeable dent into swiss morale that would affect their later performance at battles such as pavia, would you say that’s accurate or naur?

[next orchid]

either Guicciardini or Giovio says that, i dont know if id say that was true.

might literally just be their opponents got better lol

which they did

[robust tendon]

i’d still call that long (ish) range

[silver heart]

yeah it seems so, headlong attacks like at novara and marignano weren’t conducive to success in the ever evolving environment regarding further prevalence of the arquebus, at least that’s what it seems like to me but i could very well be wrong

[robust tendon]

btw is the rest of knight and the blast furnace any good

i haven’t read it

[next orchid]

well "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice..."

in terms of reputation, i dont know if the swiss reputation ever left prior to the late 16th c.

in which, they were still known as good pikers

[next orchid]

i mean, yeah, in the sense of having a lot of information

its armor focused and not really "military history" focused

[silver heart]

they had a pretty notable performance at dreux in service of the catholics right?

[next orchid]

yes they didnt break and retired in good order despite being shot to bits and charged constantly

or wait

yeah

u said catholics and for a second i forgot the royalists were the catholics lol

[silver heart]

yeah i just refer to em as that because it’s easier to differentiate them that way in my brain when i think about the french wars of religion

[next orchid]

have u read montluc's memoirs yet

[silver heart]

i have not but i’d very much like to! a really cool primary source that covers a period of over 50 years

[next orchid]

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A51199.0001.001?rgn=main;view=fulltext

ancient translation but still good in that regards

quite "action heavy"

[silver heart]

its insights into the inner workings of 16th century warfare especially intrigue me given my aforementioned love of the period, its only like $28 or so on amazon so i mighty honestly cop it

[next orchid]

i think those amazon things are hard to read lol

and they sometimes fuck up

[next orchid]

this is OCRed

so there will be a couple errors but u should be able to guess

[next orchid]

oh also the amazon version is the same as the one i posted

unless u hate reading on a screen

[silver heart]

this is principally why yeah

[next orchid]

im the opposite

i love ctrl + f

[silver heart]

it depends on the topic for me tbh, if it’s something i’m actually passionate about like military history and what not then i’d like a physical copy but if it’s not then im fine with just reading away at a screen

[next orchid]

i cant relinqush the search function. helps me find stuff im looking for way more quickly

[silver heart]

that’s why i have an infinite supply of bookmarks supplied to me by the bookmark gnomes

[next orchid]

thats a good idea actually, however, im lazy

[hollow zinc]

add more chainmail

[silver heart]

this isn’t a suggestions channel

[hollow zinc]

i kno

[toxic breach]

the mysterious brigandine breastplate

[robust tendon]

It’s just a covered bp

These show up a lot in art

There’s a debate around whether they’re brig bp under plackarts but seems like it’s just bp to me

[terse bronze]

not so mysterious now..

[toxic breach]

well well well

[turbid shadow]

la fabric

[fleet junco]

Plackart

[terse bronze]

there's literally no placard in the pic

[robust tendon]

nah there is it's just invisible
like halo active camo

[fleet junco]

Plackart without the crust

[terse bronze]

huh?

[rocky sand]

Smart people i call upon yee. What is the name of this axe? Ive found mention of a Drakkaria Axe but when i tried googling it to hunt further it showed a bunch of fantasy axes

[fleet junco]

Its gothic battle maxe

Probably...

[robust tendon]

i think just an axe

medieval people were not too fond of ultra specific nomenclature

[rocky sand]

Ahh Drakkaria is a recreation thing owned by a different company so it wasnt the URL

Well thanks for the help Smart fellas

[robust tendon]

where are you getting that from

[fleet junco]

My brain...

[silver heart]

just a run of the mill war axe, like crecy said tho it would’ve just been called an axe as specific nomenclature wasn’t really a thing in that time and only exists in the modern day thanks to victorian historians

[vocal vale]

i’d call it a horseman’s axe

[terse bronze]

even if not used on horseback ?

[rocky sand]

When you google horsemans axe they all have a semi circular head 🤷‍♂️

[robust tendon]

yeah i like the term war axe

le axe for war

[terse bronze]

when you google gun you get glocks

[vocal vale]

that’s just the term that comes to mind for round head back spike one handed axe

[terse bronze]

vibing

[silver heart]

probably not the best term and defo not the most accurate but, when i look at it i see an axe principally designed for, well, war, while still retaining the usual properties of an axe or hatchet

[next orchid]

hache de guerre is already a term and it usually refers to the "pollaxe".

from which the english got "battle axe" (also meaning pollaxe)

the english were never good at french

[silver heart]

ah, i figured that may have also been the case, well, then yeah, just another variety of pollaxe

[next orchid]

its pollaxes all the way down

theres like, 10 terms for it

[silver heart]

the king doesn’t want you to know this but, this too, is a pollaxe

[terse bronze]

something something english is badly pronounced french something something

[fleet junco]

Tangerine

[next orchid]

might honestly be mordaxt, murder-axe. but i cant recall if that term was actually used for halberds...

[lone topaz]

its a big thing on a stick that cleaves people

[next orchid]

i can verify that it was popular amongst the swiss though, since in their own depictions u see guys wearing them at the belt as sidearms

and i mean the long ones

[silver heart]

oh?

[next orchid]

Mair uses it (mordagst) to refer to halberds/pollaxes

But it's possible the term changed

Wish the author expanded on his reasoning to connect this term to this weapon

[silver heart]

mordaxt!

[next orchid]

english has "carlilse axe", but ofc it gets sketchy to use it for axes that arent from Britain, and we arent sure of the defining traits of said axe

[next orchid]

yeah i suspect mordaxt to just be a synonym for pollaxe lol

[terse bronze]

vibing

[daring ember]

I found some of the halfsword knockoffs they were talking about

[fleet junco]

This is great

[next orchid]

Devs need to reference these amazing things

[vocal vale]

thanks for posting it here

[toxic breach]

Half Sword Multiplayer😭😭

[fleet junco]

#4 in entertainment

[toxic breach]

$4.99 In-App Purchases

33 RATINGS
3.6
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[fleet junco]

fire

[lone osprey]

I want to see footage

[fleet junco]

can we get cool sabatons

[toxic breach]

the mysterious brigandine spaulders

[robust tendon]

hey look bergendine couters

[fleet junco]

How did they do that

[robust tendon]

magic and sorcery

[terse bronze]

bagadine

[midnight wadi]

bregandine couter no way

[terse bronze]

this is me

[rocky sand]

Astro turf brigandine when?

[terse bronze]

Grande Chronique de Normandie - Français 2623

[robust tendon]

me with my retinue

[terse bronze]

i'm the glaive guy

[desert robin]

Bro thinks he's the glaive guy

[terse bronze]

you can be the guy in blue with a sword behind me if you want

[toxic breach]

the exchange

[silver heart]

meeee:3

[fleet junco]

Thats brewi

[terse bronze]

hi brewwi

[clever bramble]

Any input on this thread?

[robust tendon]

not too well versed in CoAs but ye pretty sure it's outdated by the time of the game

[sacred cove]

And since that Coat Of Arms is used this game takes place at the earliest 1461.

[brave fractal]

The Half Sword Muliplayer even copyed your bio about the game

[weak halo]

Aren't they just covered in textile to complement the spaulders?

[robust tendon]

ofc, i was joking

[weak halo]

Ah, sorry then

[robust tendon]

no worries

[weak halo]

Have you guys ever seen crystal sword pommels?

They're pretty neat-looking

[next orchid]

the 1st sword looks so funky lol

[next orchid]

is that arne?

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

[next orchid]

smh

dude makes a living just riding horses and being a knight

thats the life

[fleet junco]

More gambesoons

[robust tendon]

gamberson

[foggy ingot]

so when is tier 9 not gonna be greyed out anymore

[fleet junco]

TOMRROWWWWW

TOMORROROWWWW!

[toxic breach]

Lie

[civic glade]

What types of helmets/visors fit the 15th c

Friend of mine in buhurt got dinged by authenticity

[robust tendon]

armets, sallets, bascinets, "skullcaps", kettle helmets, close helmets...lots of stuff if you include the entire 15th century

[terse bronze]

wdym

[terse bronze]

Master of the Legend of Saint Lucy - Virgo inter Virgines, 1475-1500

[terse bronze]

[wraith dew]

Actually?…

[vocal vale]

no

[wraith dew]

Oh he just crackin’ nvm :<

[next orchid]

english longbowmen ❤️

[silver heart]

darn source said it was burgundian

[next orchid]

Can't be, they're using longbows, can't you see

😏

[silver heart]

GUHHHHHH

[next orchid]

My fav Anglo cope is when people call these guys English mercenaries lol

[fleet junco]

weird dog in the back

[austere sinew]

Pretty sure that's a horse bro

[haughty creek]

That looks more like like a sheep, but small

[fleet junco]

Weird looking horse

[lone osprey]

havent you ever seen a terrier

[toxic breach]

It's this thing

[fleet junco]

its obvious rudiblock

Its a sheep

[lone osprey]

definitely a terrier

[fleet junco]

It looks like a dog

[white fulcrum]

I really don’t think she’d appreciate being called a dog or sheep or horse

[robust tendon]

details from the "battle of Anghiari" c. 1460, made by an unknown florentine master

full

miniature depicting the battle of azincourt, couldn't find dating of this miniature but i reckon it's within the range of the game

[fleet merlin]

half sword

[toxic breach]

None of this is era accurate

And those armors look horrible

[fleet merlin]

thanks i made them myself

[toxic breach]

regardless of the meme they r bad all around

got me like!

[fleet merlin]

what meme💔

i took pictures

in a castle

in romania

and it reminded me of halfsword

[toxic breach]

the channel is for posting era-accurate material for devs to potentially use as references

Rather than channel for vaguely halfsword-related stuff

[fleet merlin]

they can use the black armor shit

ig

[toxic breach]

indeed but there are better references to post for that than the armor you posted

it's outside of the game's time frame and it just looks bad even for whatever time it is from

plastic tubes

[fleet merlin]

idk

[toxic breach]

💀

[fleet merlin]

they have this thing thk

tho

from half sword

[vocal vale]

there’s quite literally nothing usable there

[civic glade]

oh my god, those armors look like roblox

[terse bronze]

do not speak ill of roblox 🗣️

[toxic breach]

bro think he

[fleet junco]

Tigerball

[terse bronze]

tigerball

[toxic breach]

Fella

[fleet junco]

angels

swore there was a video on how thesemoved

[robust tendon]

more like angles

[latent drift]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_pdcdmJCg3c

it didnt embed but oh well

[fleet junco]

thanks sigma

[latent drift]

ya

[bright token]

What roblox game is this?

Anyway, here’s a photo of a statue of a knight in my phone for years

Do you guys think he’s wearing German, English or Flemish style?

[toxic breach]

Halfswordian

Looks like Italian Alla Tedesca armor but IDK

[vocal vale]

flemish

[bright token]

Nice

What are some characteristic of the harness I should look for to know it’s Flemish?

[vocal vale]

found the source, it's from Wiblingen which isnt TOO far off from flanders but is still german

i was mostly looking at the reinforced couter and asymmetrical pauldrons and the "fishtail" plackart

the fluting on the upper cannons is quite flemish / iberian as well

probably better to just call it western german since none of these are particularly exclusive to flanders

[toxic breach]

The female headdress is sigma

[silver heart]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/26689

glaive:3

[bright token]

Can number of fauld/tonlet lames help us identify the style of armour too? I have this idea that Italian english and flemish armour tend to have more fauld lames than german lol

[bright token]

Nice!

[toxic breach]

Overall paunce length can be an orienter for determining style
German gothic harnesses usually have very short paunce but there are some Italian armors with short ones

Like that one cuirass from Mantova with a relatively short paunce and high plackart

[bright token]

Got it thank you maximillian 😄

Anyway here’s some nice cuirasses I saved on my phone, probably German style

[lone osprey]

wonder if someone has checked out all the lance rests there are too cause i thought the effigy one looked like it had studs like italian or flemish ones

[robust tendon]

this one?

[fleet merlin]

thanks will look into it

[fleet junco]

Thats a cool dog

Looks like brian from family guy

[white fulcrum]

I think that’s his helmet but yeah

[toxic breach]

I don't think these are historical arms😭

[jovial bough]

they arent intended to be, just something i came up with

[toxic breach]

Then why post it here?

Fyi the references channel is for posting period-accurate material devs could potentially implement in the game

[jovial bough]

ohhhhh shoot sorry

[toxic breach]

#art-🎨 would b better suited

[jovial bough]

thank you sire

[sacred cove]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1334244044917964881 Can I get some help with research?

[lone osprey]

do you know what book this is from?

[fleet junco]

hand us the information kevlar

[hallow hearth]

HEY I MADE THAT STUFF

I FEEL honored kevlar reposts my stuff

[fleet junco]

he did make it

[terse bronze]

We are both puppets to John man

[terse bronze]

No clue sorry

[honest heart]

First one would both be funny and cool

[fleet junco]

looks very 1500s nglll

[robust tendon]

that's cauuse it is

[vocal vale]

chat have this guy hanged

[toxic breach]

Oh my days!

[thorny otter]

https://youtu.be/x5qjPFvwG10?si=VlCK5Gw-mj5Blkym

[fleet junco]

@vocal vale kill

[misty sage]

thanks vro

[fleet junco]

Whoops

[kind bronze]

is that legal?

[lone topaz]

real definetly not fake

[white fulcrum]

erm…

<@&1080390104562016306> mods… do your thing!

[turbid shadow]

done

[white fulcrum]

[verbal bramble]

Are the copycats gone?

[turbid shadow]

yea

[verbal bramble]

That is good. Good job, Fencer

[turbid shadow]

'peciate it

[vital tartan]

To modern they had no cameras smh not 15th century

[empty shale]

this is extremely cool

[lone osprey]

that italian saint george with the hammer is excellent

[fleet junco]

Weird looking dog

[terse bronze]

Spanish

1464-1465, Jaume Huguet, Reial Capella Santa Agata, Barcelona

[lone osprey]

no wonder he has that long flemish nose

[silver heart]

i adore the third one especially

[vocal vale]

https://youtu.be/0iMUttO9xL4?si=D-eiELvxhaBstZZR

[fleet junco]

its not a thing....

[toxic breach]

long sword lmao

[thorny otter]

Well, there are quite a few depictions of such in both 2d and 3d surviving art

For example

[lone osprey]

i reckon he was baiting so more get posted that cheeky bugger

[cunning swan]

Don't click that you'll get hacked

[thorny otter]

I am a simple man

I see bait

And get caught

[white fulcrum]

<@&1080390104562016306> hi

[short ice]

Dealt with, ty

[sacred cove]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1334244044917964881 I need some people who are good with English coat of arms.

[turbid shadow]

it works for ze game

Miniature in the Talbot Shrewsbury Book, 1444–1445

Portrait of Henry VI in the journal of Swabian knight Georg von Ehingen, circa 1481

[robust tendon]

yea the quartered fleur + lions works

the question is if the angevin lions by themselves work

i reckon it does but given how the official royal arms was the quartered version at the time of the game, i’m not sure

I recall a ms where it is shown, but it’s only when depicting like 12th and 13th century english kings

Okay here’s the ms (1445-50)
This is henry III (reigned 1216-1272)

Edward III (1327-1377)

Ms is sir thomas holme’s book of arms

[turbid shadow]

completely forgot about this

[fleet junco]

I waa joking

[thorny otter]

i know, but i will use every excuse to post some armour

[terse bronze]

I don't believe you

[thorny otter]

have some armor

[robust tendon]

there’s some other images in this ms and every time the angevin lions on their own are used, it is to depict the arms of kings outside the game timeframe

[sacred cove]

Yeah, I meant the Angevin Lions are incorrect.

[terse bronze]

It will always be funny to me that Guyenne has 1 lion, Normandy 2 and england 3

[silver heart]

does anyone happen to know when partisans (the polearm) first came about in europe? i’ve seen conflicting claims between late 15th or early 16th

[terse bronze]

Have you ever seen pics with Italians infantrymen (15thc) and one of them has a spear which speartip is pretty wide at the base and pointy, very truangular

[silver heart]

something like this?

[terse bronze]

Essentially but ofc less decorated

There's a couple similar examples, or at least similar profiles of blades that appear on the 15thc, in the game's timeframe

Can't post pics rn I'm outside

[silver heart]

when ya do get the chance could you send em here? would be another neat addition of a polearm to see in game

i wanted to suggest it prior but before now i always assumed they were something out of the games timeframe

[terse bronze]

Sure I'll try but that will probably be tomorrow hopefully someone else post them before

[silver heart]

alrighty no worries

[terse bronze]

Found these ones after a very very quick research on my phone,
sources :

1. https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b525024658/f230.item.zoom
2. Frescoe on the northen wall of Santa Maria, Mesocco, Tessin, CH- 1459-69
3. De Sphaera- Cristoforo De Predis 1470

I know there more around, but there's that

@silver heart

[finite shore]

Why does that one guy doesn’t have pants 😭

[toxic breach]

They do, just a skin-colored tone

Of the pants/hosen

[finite shore]

kk

[lone osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A58tnj7eEwA

[lone osprey]

I like that brimmed helmet

[sacred cove]

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1334244044917964881 I need your assistance I need some proof that this coat of arms wasnt used.

[tepid edge]

https://medal.tv/games/half-sword/clips/jDTozpIjwcKzDwxyG?invite=cr-MSxScGcsMjA0MDg1NTI5LA

I was wondering

Would the cuirass I'm wearing be good for an archer?

[toxic breach]

Y not

Also ur not wearing a full cuirass but only a component of the cuirass ... ;}

[shadow spade]

isnt that the pure nail xd

[silver heart]

HOLLOW KNIGHT MENTIONED !!!

[shadow spade]

next 1 has to be dead cells

[bright token]

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=964508192442503&set=pcb.964518275774828 source

1468 stuff

[vocal vale]

OH YEAH

saw this earlier

new manuscript dropped!!

[terse bronze]

awesome cuirass on the right

[robust tendon]

biggest proof i have is depictions of the time. They don’t tend to show the lions themselves as opposed to the lions + triple fleur

however they do when showing kings that actually used the angevin lions as their arms

[robust tendon]

ms depictions

there’s a litany of others like the depictions of the battles of the hundred years’ war

they all show the lions + fleur

As a way to represent the english

[sacred cove]

Ivan confirmed it was incorrect and they will change it for early access.

[robust tendon]

yippee

mb for the ping then

[sacred cove]

And this means that the game takes place at the earlies 1461.

[void stream]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[robust tendon]

@turbid shadow destroy

[terse bronze]

short pollaxes my beloved

[void stream]

thanks mods

[verbal bramble]

How did they dye the harness red? Was it painted or did they have some other method?

[silver heart]

heat patination

heat the metal to a specific temp to create a natural layer of oxide

[verbal bramble]

Wouldn't that affect tempering? As, out of tempering, armor is purple to blue

And how would one repair such a finish if it got scratched?

[terse bronze]

(in this specific case it might just be artistic license since this is depicting an antique scene)

[vocal vale]

i am of the opinion that the type of gold paint used to depict the harness has decayed into a reddish color over time

[silver heart]

depends on the temperature and the type of metal but, generally, if the patination process was performed with careful control then damage to the tempering would be minimum to none

heat used for patination is also almost always lower than what could damage the tempering

[terse bronze]

wait how would a gold color turn red

[toxic breach]

Ancient means

[terse bronze]

oh apparently with a copper alloy it would turn reddish over time

badass..

[verbal bramble]

I see

[midnight wadi]

so in the short term, that respective armor was given the brass treatment

or idk bronze

[vocal vale]

no

the armor depicted was gold when it was originally made

after 600 years the material used to make the armor look gold turned red

the material that went into the coloration was not the material that made actual gold armor

[terse bronze]

that would be too early

[fleet junco]

Is it awesome

[terse bronze]

yeah

but for early 15thc

the doublet might be a bit too straight tho

lacks a bit of shape

[toxic breach]

What if they have an overly tubular body

[next orchid]

ud still have tapering

on the pourpoint itself

i think most armor guys dont really care much about their soft kit though lol

[civic glade]

I saw this pic recently and it got me thinking

It would be so cool to have armor on display using specially designed mannequins that allow the armor to be displayed in dynamic poses that show off how it really sits on the body in motion

Like the display wouldnt be moving but it would be like a snapshot of a fight where the fighters would be making such a motion if that makes sense

Rather than what you mostly see of armor hanging somewhat loosely on mannequins or even just display racks

It would probably be quite hard to actually do, i imagine youd have to have some kind of posable mannequin with joints that can lock by some kind of remote means, cause i dont thibk you could get the armor on after theyre already posed

[fleet junco]

Ohe

[fleet junco]

bonjour

[terse bronze]

Absolutely insane fluted sallet by Maks Izobov

[fleet junco]

looks very exanima

[vocal vale]

pastrana tapestries

[terse bronze]

i propose we shorten "pastrana tapestries" cuz it's too long

maybe "pastramies"

[vocal vale]

ptap

[fleet junco]

What doe sit whmemwb

What does it mean

[lone osprey]

its like ham

tbh it looks more like a melon

[terse bronze]

???

[lone osprey]

its got those nice melony ridges
except theyre convex

[terse bronze]

oh the sallet

thought you meant pastrami looks like a melon i was like wuh

[vocal vale]

many would call it oniony

[lone osprey]

true
they smell though

[terse bronze]

kill all burgundians

[fleet junco]

🫡

[lone osprey]

i like how much fluting freddy has on the wappenwand

[vocal vale]

out of period but tangentially related

[fleet junco]

why is it so polygon

[terse bronze]

hasn't loaded yet

[vocal vale]

3rd LoD ass kastenbrust

[terse bronze]

vibing

he can't hear you

[fleet junco]

how would that even sound like

[terse bronze]

muffled

[lone osprey]

i want the white burgundian shield in this game

[fleet junco]

Sounds great

[terse bronze]

kill all burgundians

[fleet junco]

Sounds great

[lone osprey]

holy cow that design is wild

[lone osprey]

you cant kill them if theyre not in the game

[terse bronze]

they exist tho

irl

i can kill them all

[terse bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQba4J0oLM0 he's listening to this btw

[astral sandal]

RIP and tear until its done

[vocal vale]

italian?

[midnight wadi]

better yet with this

[fleet junco]

estonian

[terse bronze]

vibing

[fleet junco]

matt east

ern

[bright token]

Kinda dumb question but does a double edged glaive exist or we do call any pole arm with double edged blade head, a partisan/swordstaff?

[silver heart]

to my knowledge no such thing exists, as to the terminology? it’s anyone’s best guess, polearm naming is ridden with complications

[bright token]

Alright thank you for the answer :]

i’ll stick with calling the weapon partisan

[bright token]

I plan to draw a soldier carrying polearm with double edged sword blade so I was wondering what’s the best term for the weapon lol

[silver heart]

what timeframe? 16th century?

[bright token]

Oh it’s medieval fantasy with arms and armour based on 15th and early 16th century

Ya know the usual stuff I draw and share here lol

[toxic breach]

draw ........ polearm.

[fleet junco]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-gregor-clegane-game-of-thrones-mountain-vs-drunk-the-mountain-got-gregor-clegane-gif-5085620039867258042

[sweet bone]

klapvisor

[terse bronze]

out of the game's timeframe

• the locking strap isn't historical

[sweet bone]

aw

[neon apex]

Brother is dripping out

[terse bronze]

quite a subpar kit ngl

could be vastly improved

[fleet junco]

I wish i had armor

[neon apex]

Same

[timber nest]

Are two handed falchions real, chat? I’m really confused

[glacial hill]

The first one is a Maciejowski, nicknamed after the manuscript that it came from. Idk if there are other examples of its existence beyond that one illustration though

[timber nest]

Ahh I see

[glacial hill]

Second one is called a Faussart? Idk much about that one either but it just looks like a two-handed messer of sorts imo

[timber nest]

Weird that archeological evidence besides manuscripts is so sparse

[glacial hill]

unfortunate

[robust tendon]

yes

these ones in particular are very much historical, but out of the timeframe of halfsword

i remember a depiction within the timeframe, but i don't have it. The ones there were also quite different to the morgan bible's

[vocal vale]

two handed falchions appear in french stuff more often than anywhere else it seems

there are some in the 1400s

[dim mauve]

Frederick the Victorious?

I have a helmet very similar to that one.

Much wider neck on mine.

[lone osprey]

Buckler from Schloss Ambras with red velvet dated to end of the 15th century (but like those from the Thalhofer Fechtbuch) (Bayerisches Armeemuseum, Inv.-Nr. A 8460). from 2021 Tobias Schönauer Von Innsbruck nach Bayern Ein Buckler aus Schloss Ambras als Kriegsbeute

[civic glade]

Probably a buhurt mandate

[weak halo]

Great bascinet when

[robust tendon]

not sure about that one

idk about buhurt but i do know that visor straps are just due to modern reproduction crap

Historical visors do not need them as they use friction or some such to lock the visor in place

[next orchid]

it looks like a buhurt helmet

[robust tendon]

i’m sure it is a buhurt helmet but i’m saying i don’t know if you need the visor strap to use it in buhurt, like you could prob just use a historical visor locking method

[next orchid]

the friction doesnt lock the visor

clasps can probably be used, but a leather strap is easier to replace and remove than an iron hook that got banged up

something that forcibly locks the visor, or a perforated plate, is reasonably important for normal HF, since a thrust from below can open it and then strike the face

in one motion

[fleet junco]

Add skull caps

[civic glade]

Buhurt requires a lot if safety anachronisms, visor straps among them

Last thing you want is someones axe glancing off the shoulder and sliding under your visor

Thrusting is forbidden off course but the rules are written in blood

[civic glade]

If you have a latch thats probably fine but straps are cheaper

And maybe they would want the strap anyway

[civic glade]

Do they allow thrusts in harnessfechting?

[next orchid]

yes

[civic glade]

Based

Do you know of any HF in the usa?

Nothing really comes up

[next orchid]

yeah i know of groups, but i think theyre all on facebook lol

theres a good few guys in the American south though

[civic glade]

I live there

Know any teams or competitions?

[tepid edge]

in: references♥_1450-1470 katana

[next orchid]

https://www.facebook.com/chimeracompanyreenactment/

[next orchid]

they should add katanas

[robust tendon]

true

[robust tendon]

how were they locked in place historically then? i remember reading it was something to do with asymmetry of the visor "hinges"

[civic glade]

Ive seen latches loaded with a flat spring, with big old prongs so a mailed hand could use them

[next orchid]

they werent. the friction makes it so they dont flop around, but it doesnt lock the visor

i mean, they were, later on

with hooks

or springs

etc

even still though, in the 16th c. we read of techniques of thrusting so that the sword point opens the visor (horseback stuff)

[robust tendon]

well that's what i meant, maybe i worded it poorly

not like rigid and immovable but keeps it from falling while raised and keeps it from moving when you don't want it to

[civic glade]

Heres a close helm with a spring pin

[next orchid]

"Being past his enemie, he is to make a back-blow at him, aiming to cut the buckle of his pouldron, whereby he disarmeth one of his arms, &c. Basta highly commendeth the aiming at the enemies sight, and so (by raising the vizures of his casque with the point of the sword to runne him into the head. But this seemeth not so likely to take effect as that of aiming at the throat; and sometimes (as some casques are made) it would be of no use."

[civic glade]

Later era ofc

The of no use line implies perhaps the existence of such locks

[next orchid]

yes

it existed, but the fact Basta in the late 16th c. would recommend it shows it wasnt omnipresent

[civic glade]

But possible like a bevor and salet combo where the slide in wouldnt work / work as well

[next orchid]

this is 1632 although some early 16th c. armets had lips

[robust tendon]

would you just press the pin to raise it?

[next orchid]

Monte recommends this because whenever you raise your visor, thrusts like to go to your face, and this stops it from sliding into said face

[robust tendon]

like a "stop rib"?

[next orchid]

yeah

[next orchid]

ancecdotally ive been told this happened in a HF event once

iirc no one was hurt though

[vocal vale]

that’s the main method of fighting

the goal is to pretty much aim for weak spots

[fleet junco]

can someone compile everything into a document

[robust tendon]

google encyclopedias

[fleet junco]

thanks crecy, knew i couldvc counted on you

[humble pagoda]

1468

[fleet junco]

The hand shaker

[magic sand]

From Graham Turner’s bathroom (2023 AD)

[thorny otter]

post the full suit, this kit looks much better with leg harness

[white fulcrum]

omg we NEED this 😍

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGAmO1KN9hV/?igsh=MXdzMnJyYjB4dGlsMQ==

Nice voulge

Halberd

Polearm 🗿

[terse bronze]

if i was born in time for 1460s i'd be a vougier man

holding my vouge

vougecel

[fleet junco]

If i was born in the 1460s id be

[fleet junco]

i dynno but i found this

[thorny otter]

Ah, the "famous" legs from Konopiště...

[thorny otter]

More of Oxford shine

[fleet junco]

i like this style of armor, it look very cool 👍

[thorny otter]

I kinda like it and kinda don't. It's cool but not really my preferred vibe to be honest. Not the biggest fan of the fully enclosing stuff and the long faulds. On the other hand, I like the helmets and some of the cool details they get in England

[civic glade]

Brossss im buying a set for buhurt

Dude is almost exactly my height and weight

Match made in heaven

Only thing missing is arms

[fleet junco]

Good luck have fun

[latent drift]

is this real

[vocal vale]

no

[latent drift]

i was gonna say im assuming sombody just threw it together

[next orchid]

Yes

Famous helmet of von Poopenfarten

[void stream]

lunch time

[toxic breach]

big lance lmao

[toxic breach]

le man de armes

[terse bronze]

Pain au chocolat yay!!!!

Goûter time

[silver heart]

every part of that poleaxe screams youchhhh

[void stream]

if this armor is not accurate l'll delete it right now

[fleet junco]

I think its pretty accurate, you just gotta remove the grates

[toxic breach]

sallet pennon

[odd fog]

[toxic breach]

rondel pacifier

[fleet junco]

never saw it like that before but ok

[vocal vale]

you will find that harnischfechten kits are very very accurate aside from certain innocuous and modern amenities for the sport that are easy to see

[lone osprey]

any other pictures of the left harness?

[silver heart]

i hope so it’s gorgeous, was always much more privy to that stylization

i might just be a sallet hater tho

[lone osprey]

I like both a lot but sallets get so much representation that I can understand being a hater lol

[lone osprey]

I just hope the devs add more variations on the exposed clothes behind / beneath armours
because at the moment aren't there just quilted and regular arming doublets?
I want to see clothes with pleats and dagging and that gothic thing where the bunch of pleats comes to a point at the back

[silver heart]

i just don’t enjoy the aesthetic of it as much as i do for other helms like armets, close helms, great bascinets, etc.

i prefer helmets that are all one piece if that makes sense?

[next orchid]

... Say that again

Also I like sallets for infantry guys personally. For men at arms, I'm an armet man

[silver heart]

https://tenor.com/view/one-pice-gif-26834018

[prisma raven]

Bannerole!

[robust tendon]

true...

[toxic breach]

Him

[fleet junco]

the shunned

[lone osprey]

not far off one of your goats

[toxic breach]

WHAT DOES THIS MEAN , rudiblock ...

[lone osprey]

hes pretty much halfway there

[toxic breach]

I think I see what you mean.

[lone osprey]

a bit of goat physiognomy

have you drawn any cows?

cow warriors

[toxic breach]

yes.

[next orchid]

The one piece sallet is real

[thorny otter]

Here you go

but if you like the grandbascinet Renzo has

there is a bit more to it

Giovanni Sartori, the maker, used a bit of experimental method, among others, using a 17th century waterpowered power hammer

[golden ingot]

Armets have a lot of moving parts?

[haughty creek]

I think they are more referring to the lack for the need of a separate Bevor

[fleet junco]

I like thus ine

[terse bronze]

I LOVE HOUNSKULL ARMETS !!!!!!!

[silver heart]

^^^

[fleet junco]

yo ngl, this kinda looks like it was made for like buhurt or something

[robust tendon]

Sallet inspired by the pastrana tapestries, by Maks Izobov

[terse bronze]

Repost!!!

[robust tendon]

guh

[terse bronze]

:33333

[robust tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-staring-orange-cat-staring-cat-gif-13724146065807985297

[void stream]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-running-me-on-my-way-to-say-repost-synapse-x-gif-19110255

[lone osprey]

that is really cool

[toxic breach]

Fella

shaker of hands

[silver heart]

just got this on my pinterest today

[toxic breach]

No TF YOU DID NOT!!!

[silver heart]

GUHHHHH

[lone osprey]

breaker of hands

he ripped it clean off

[toxic breach]

True

he

[forest tiger]

hungarian/dueling shields my beloved

[glacial hill]

Real

[tepid edge]

Was the underarm pit area ever covered up by mail

[haughty creek]

What do you mean by Underarm pit

[lone topaz]

it was relatively common yes

theyre usually refered to as chainmail voiders or something similar

[terse bronze]

yes

[fleet junco]

no

[white fulcrum]

A

[tepid edge]

A lot of responses

[toxic breach]

sigma little jackchain

[lone osprey]

need it

[fleet junco]

why was it called jack

[toxic breach]

The inventor was named Jack

However that is merely a modern transliteration whereas the original spelling has been lost

[silver heart]

neeed…moreee…italian…REFERENCES

[turbid shadow]

any idea who's the smith of the harness orr

[terse bronze]

nop sry

[turbid shadow]

i'll look at that later and see if i can find the smith

[silver ravine]

this is the ford truck driver of the 15th century

[silver heart]

i love him

[toxic breach]

the buckle

[void stream]

damn waist just a little thin

[next orchid]

is this made to be viewed at an angle or something lol

[weak halo]

Sir Smallbottom

[robust tendon]

the proportions

[silver heart]

leg day was not his top priority

[toxic breach]

fellas who never fight on foot and never dismount they steed!

[void stream]

I love jack chains!!!!

[silver heart]

flail

[void stream]

thanks

[terse bronze]

?

[terse bronze]

?

[prisma raven]

source?

[fleet junco]

he painted it hinself

[toxic breach]

Unsure, found on Pinterest but the entry said it was a German painting.

which is to say it is the work of my hand as per hmong liab's suggestion

le particolor central strap

Saint George by Cosme Tura, Ferrara, c. 1475-1476, oil

[vocal vale]

how did he paint that if he was only one year old ?

[toxic breach]

Such is my inquiry as well

[robust tendon]

skill

[rose raven]

1, 2 bbuckle my shoeeee

[bright token]

Was mail coif worn after 1420s?

[rose raven]

3,4 buckle some moooore

[lone osprey]

maybe
1440/55
Christopher Retsch in his book Sprechendes Metall thinks this is one worn under the helmet
and also suggests they may have been used in the late 15th century and still depicted in the 16th century

"die 100 „kyrisser“ Maximilians unter der „wellische[n] schalern“ eine Kapuze aus ,Ringpanzergeflecht‘ trugen, wie es auch im 15. und 16. Jahrhundert auf Abbildungen zu finden ist"

the book is free online

[robust tendon]

I reckon it’s more likely to be something like this

maille is redundant if you already have plate covering a certain area

It’s why they had aventails and maille standards after all

[lone osprey]

yeah probably

if his part about ringpanzer 'Kapuze' can be verified that's pretty solid evidence though

[lone osprey]

apparently comes from an interpretation of the term 'hundtskappen'
apparently according to KHM: "Research has shown that in the Middle Ages, the terms Hundsgugel or Hundskappe were applied not to a type of helmet but to a mail coif."

so I'll be honest: I don't know if I find Retsch's apparent interpretation that it was worn under the sallets convincing at all given the passage he cites, but if what the KHM says is true and the interpretation of hundskappen is accurate, then that seems to mean the mail hood is still around in 1498

[bright token]

Thank you very much for the info🙏

[bright token]

Sick maile uh coif right

[robust tendon]

i think you’d just call this a maille bevor

a coif covers the whole skull and neck, but not the face like this one does

tho iirc there are some examples of maille coifs that do cover the face, save for the eyes obv

[lone osprey]

is that thing the same as a 'bishop's mantle' or is that name even authentic?

[robust tendon]

no idea

[lone osprey]

nvm
Met says it was coined by victorians

[bright token]

Are the mail worn with kettle hat coif?

[robust tendon]

iirc by this period, maille coifs are still in semi regular use but i’m unsure

Mull said this is like 1380-1410 i think

I’m just unsure if kettle helmets had a method to attach the maille to them, like with bascinets

[robust tendon]

but they could easily just do something like this so idk

there is this which doesn’t show a clear method of holding the maille in place

1325, so much earlier than mull’s drawing

also welsh

[wispy jungle]

I can't look at this without laughing

[latent drift]

what manuscript is this?

[void stream]

It's from Hans Talhoffer fencing book

[latent drift]

thank you

[void stream]

do you want the link for the full book? I can send you in the DM

[latent drift]

oh sure

[void stream]

More stuff from Hans manuscripts

Source: Talhoffer Fechtbuch MS Thott.290.2º

[silver heart]

could ya send it my way as well if ye dont mind?

[terse bronze]

idk why yall are gate keeping it to DMs only..

[terse bronze]

https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Talhoffer_Fechtbuch_(MS_Thott.290.2º)

[void stream]

This is the right one https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/32426

[next orchid]

Flemish artist

The only people who painted faces uglier than that of the Germans

[golden widget]

is there a historical reference for this buttspike on pollaxes?

[golden widget]

thank you

[fleet junco]

We should add a double ended spetum

[lone osprey]

who is he fighting

[toxic breach]

Mysterious force

[lone osprey]

the stickler

[misty sage]

the voices

[terse bronze]

the swiss

and God wills it he will die

[lone osprey]

damn...

[toxic breach]

pattern hose and different shoe color.

No consistency.

An inconsistent man.

[toxic breach]

Spanish piece c. 1462-65

[prisma raven]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/2216926640/in/album-72157603168542128/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/2216132943/in/album-72157603168542128/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/2216925686/in/album-72157603168542128/

[verbal bramble]

Are the yellow parts gilded with real gold or with some copper alloy?

[verbal bramble]

The yellow parts of this harness, I mean

[prisma raven]

I have no idea

[fleet junco]

real gold

[verbal bramble]

How can you tell? By the color?

[fleet junco]

the guy who commisioned it said he used real gold

[verbal bramble]

Oh wow

You got more info on the harness or who comissioned it?

[zenith forge]

gold doesnt feel like a good idea for protecting your face but what do I know lol

[terse bronze]

why not?

[terse bronze]

Is this actually true or you're just trolling

[fleet junco]

picture proof

[terse bronze]

Oh you're trolling

please stop

it's just not funny

[zenith forge]

because gold is soft? at least compared to steel or maybe titanium is hes spending that much on a suit

[terse bronze]

it's not pure gold lmao

gold of harnesses was steel with a gold plating

[zenith forge]

honestly with some people I wouldnt be surprised

[terse bronze]

I would

because that would be both innaccurate and stupid

[fleet junco]

Sigh.... why cant i spread misinformation around kevlar

[terse bronze]

because it's just obnoxious

[fleet junco]

Okay i wont spread it around you kevlar

[terse bronze]

Just don't spread misinfo at all

[prisma raven]

Iberian Gauntlets

[fleet junco]

wont happen again in front of you kev, i swear on it

i mean it wont happen here

[toxic breach]

Yet it may happen behind closed doors so keep your mind sharp.

[robust tendon]

coventry sallet replica, c. 1460

[toxic breach]

cool hose

[robust tendon]

i think his doublet and giornea are cooler

these guys have quite cool hose

with the garters

[toxic breach]

Those go hard

[verbal bramble]

It isn't solid gold, it is a thin coat of gold, kinda like gilding, though historically they used mercury gilding.

[verbal bramble]

–_–

[lone osprey]

reminded of the weird thun ones.
wonder if the reinforce on the left hand is meant to look all detachable like it does

I hope I get to be like this in HS

[lone osprey]

I would love if it was easier to do this and trip enemies more easily with pole weapons

or if i just need to get good Id love to see clips because even when I get in there I cant trip them this way

[tepid edge]

are sandals a thing during this time in europe

funny how they sorta disappear for a thousand years and then reappear like in the past 100 years

[silver heart]

yes! they weren’t as prevalent as most people preferred closed shoes for everyday attire however monks and clergy made pretty regular usage of them as apart of their attire

they were much more practical than those of antiquity tho with the addition of more straps and closed toe designs

[tepid edge]

personally I do not considered closed toe shoes sandals

[silver heart]

they are indeed a thing

[toxic breach]

Yes, Arnolfini portrait by Van Eyck features leather slippers and wooden "sandals" called patons. It's a 1434 piece but the footwear depicted there persisted later, into the 16c. A 16c. copy of Van Eyck's Woman at her Toilette shows sandals/slippers

@tepid edge

[tepid edge]

interesting

lack of info sadly

[toxic breach]

???

Do you know what this channel is for? It's not designated for screenshots

[void stream]

sir this channel is for references for the game you need to post this on #photography📷

[fleet junco]

This image depicts a wrapper

[robust tendon]

candy wrapper

[vocal vale]

this is not the channel for such things

[noble cedar]

Should I add references like a photo

[toxic breach]

Period-accurate arms and armor references, yes

That's the channel's purpose. Devs may potentially include some stuff from here if it is good in the future

[noble cedar]

Which period then ?

[vocal vale]

read the name of the channel

[noble cedar]

Oh didn’t see that my bad

[toxic breach]

1450-1470, but I think devs specified they might give some leeway for slightly older items e.g. from 1480

but i'm unsure whether that still stands given how old that statement was

[vocal vale]

nifty

alla'francese

[nova narwhal]

BREASTS!!!!!

[robust tendon]

maille journade?

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b55006679z/f15.item

[fleet junco]

Huh

[lone osprey]

sort of like wearing a kevlar vest today
if its real
some questionable occurences happeneth in these book

[vocal vale]

lmfao

[terse bronze]

Think that's just fur

[robust tendon]

does seem more likely

not sure what use a maille giornea would be when you could just wear a haubergeon

[tepid edge]

would a frogmouth or some predecessor of it fit in the time period

[robust tendon]

yes

i’d show more but this is the only in-century depiction i have on my phone (not at my cogitator)

This ms is dated 1400-1408

so they’ve existed since then at least

[tepid edge]

There is some old folklore about Henry de Bohun's helmet being split by an Axe

thoughts?

[robust tendon]

embellishment

[next orchid]

It is probably possible, but moot anyways

[next orchid]

We lack information on the event

[sullen charm]

because I don't have the role, I think adding leather dusacks for new players to know how to swing a sword properly and add more thrill to the fight so they don't drop the game when it isn't fun, or when they die alot because they don't know how to guard properly. hopefully i dont annoy anybody by posting this in the wrong channel. (Leather dusacks were used during the late 16th century so its in line with Half Sword's era)

[fleet junco]

Duck sacks

[silver heart]

they are not at all in line with half swords time frame

[sullen charm]

somebody told me it ws late 16th

[silver heart]

you were told wrong, at the latest half sword is 1480, dussacks in the form shown in meyer don’t appear until the early 16th century

[sullen charm]

o

mb then

[silver heart]

all good

[sullen charm]

man i thought that idea ws good

[silver heart]

now, what we really need are some messers:3

[sullen charm]

me when

godendag

[terse bronze]

kill

[toxic breach]

one of very few instances of what looks like gambeson/jack/padded garment in 15c. art I saw

[terse bronze]

bro gon overdose with this one

[toxic breach]

[lone osprey]

if they dont add the frog mouth shaped bascinet from churburg I will be sad

i also hope they add different character sizes because i want to fight a 7ft von Matsch giant

[prisma raven]

love this ms

[next orchid]

it's less rare if we assume that visibly (emphasis) quilted jacks were not the norm anymore

wish i still had that late 15th c. english depiction of archers

[toxic breach]

yeah well i wish YOU DID NOT.

[next orchid]

with a garment that is seen elsewhere and is likely to be a jack, but with no "quilting lines"

so imo it is likely that a lot of depictions are jacks with facings

[next orchid]

problem with this methodology is obvious

but at the very least, while for most of them we cannot say for sure what they meant to depict, i think it is safe to say that there are more jacks or pourpoints in 15th century art than just the ones with lines all over them

[silver heart]

it was exclusively a jousting helmet to my knowledge and i don’t believe they’ll be adding jousting so

[lone osprey]

the term frog mouth is victorian and just refers to the shape

the matsch basinet more or less has a similar shape i dont mean a stechhelm or whatever its called in french and english

[vocal vale]

ulrich’s helmet has a liftable visor

it’s safe to assume that it was used in battle

[silver heart]

idk who that be

[vocal vale]

the guy whose armor includes the frogmouth bascinet

[silver heart]

but is he the exception or were said kind of helms used elsewhere in genuine combat?

because to my understanding prior they were mostly confined to a jousting setting and depictions of them in battlefield usage more so came down to artistic decisions to depict the knights shown in a certain way but i could very much be wrong in that regard

[lone osprey]

hard to tell what the helm on the left actually is but I always thought it had a similar profile. might be some kind of wrapper or something, it's very hard to make out apart from the point jutting out

Royal Armouries, MS PHIL 1, fol. 1r.

[lone osprey]

tbh if the devs just add something like this I will be happy. I just want that shape and outline

[silver heart]

seems more attuned to an armet ye?

[lone osprey]

yep

I want that big wrapper

the shape of francescas armets is more streamlined than most museum pieces. they stick out more and I like it. hope there is something like that

[vocal vale]

the main if not the only reason frogmouths weren’t used in combat is because of the breathability, with a lifting visor the entire problem is solved

it is mechanically different from a frogmouth helm, the visor is just reminiscent

[silver heart]

ye i knew that prior, i imagine the von matsch helm would be best suited for mounted combat? or could it also hold up fairly well in a dismounted scenario as well?

[lone osprey]

I imagine the von Matsch helmet or an armet with a wrapper or any enclosed helmet without breathes wouldnt be fun to fight in on foot with the visor down. I doubt that it would hold up well if we're considering the comfort of the wearer. Obviously provides very solid protection and tournament foot combat helmets are almost all bascinets but they usually have way more holes in them. But i only really care about the aesthetics lol

There is a really similar helm in the Met that they claim was just for jousting too. But that manuscript illustration still makes me want something like it

[zenith forge]

God I love Armets/Close Helms

[humble pagoda]

Where can I find any castillian or Aragonese references?

Its too hard to find

[silver heart]

ye i figured as much, still very neat looking tho

[silver heart]

that rear striking face in the eighth photo has to prolly be my fav pollaxe but spike of all time, if you can even simply relegate it to a butt spike, shit looks mean

the one on the dude on the lefts pollaxe to be specific

also do any of ya fellas know of any mid-15th century sources or earlier that showcase roncone or "italian bills"?

seems pretty much all of the examples at the met are from the 16th century only

[prisma raven]

https://es.pinterest.com/tghosthero/late-medieval-european-sources/14th-century-iberian/
https://es.pinterest.com/tghosthero/late-medieval-european-sources/iberian-altarpiece-and-fresco-first-half-of-the-15/

https://es.pinterest.com/tghosthero/late-medieval-european-sources/iberian-altarpiece-and-fresco-second-half-of-the-1/

https://es.pinterest.com/tghosthero/late-medieval-european-sources/early-16th-century-iberian/

https://es.pinterest.com/Camacurt_/iberian-sources/

https://www.museunacional.cat/en/collections/medieval-gothic-art

https://museuartmedieval.cat/en/collection/gothic

hope this helps @humble pagoda

[glacial hill]

I FUCKING LOVE MESSERS!!!

[fleet junco]

matt easton kinda looks like willie

[glacial hill]

Holy shit I never thought about that

Add drool mechanic to bevor please

[hollow charm]

btw messer is just german for knife, but now we know it to be a type of sword

[fossil gorge]

Schwertmesser all the way!!

[terse bronze]

@vocal vale hi

[pseudo fog]

Hello im from Poland and i was in a museum in Krakow and i have Photos of things you can use in game

[toxic breach]

All of these items are out of date and the last two photos are very blurry

[pseudo fog]

im sorry i was in a rush

[fleet junco]

He didnt get enough time to steal the stuff from the 15th century, be greatful he gotten the 13th century stuff

[toxic breach]

chaperon

[glacial hill]

why he kinda caked though….

[sullen sail]

Idk where else this goes
https://www.heritagedaily.com/2025/02/rare-discovery-of-two-handed-medieval-sword/154585

14th-15th century it was dated

[silver heart]

rather broad dating

[sullen sail]

Meh

[fleet junco]

Late 14th or early 15th century

[silver heart]

ah, well, not exactly befitting of the time frame then

[fleet junco]

take my words on a grain

Of rock

[pearl lily]

Ancient helmets
Ancient sword
temporal slides
Medieval hyperbolic timechamber

[toxic breach]

And modern camera. Worst crime.

Unsure how appropriate an inquiry this is for the channel, but does anyone have information on the Sforza triptych? Specifically the history of its production (not just composition)

it has 15c. plate harness.......so why not post here i thought

[terse bronze]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/albums/72157603168542128/with/49636495777 i think it's in there somewhere

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/2076465154/in/photolist-QapzE7-csJnFG-qtSK5f-2m4urVf-2m4yq4u-xucY2A-yoUSVG-y9CqUS-4aqmNg-Gnpbch-2nzAUof-6kf7j2-2aoMcoC-4auqhW-4auqKm-4auoA3-4aqp7Z-2qtk4Vn-6kjiVY-6kf7Fr-W3Fyoj-fMWUvU-qcuxm2-WHEgRA-fMWT23-2pbTeJU-fMEmU6-fMEjZB-qrE5jj-fMEkGK-fMEmhi-pxbkwP-pWAkAZ-4aqn7V-4aupFb-pxbm1V-p12EFe-pWU3Cq-28JfjkN-oZYJeo-pWU3o7-p12Eta-pEmqEr-oZZaRK-dtFscH-pEnJwC-pEhX7t-pWHA5t-22jSp2W-MC6zu

[bright token]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGf-QXFIRtD/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link nice falchion

[silver heart]

could be wrong but, just going off what i know of armor and its styles and evolution, that piece seems much more attuned to something of the mid-late 16th century no?

the sword in the background also screams 16th century to me

[void stream]

out of time period of the game

[midnight wadi]

what was that hood for?

[terse bronze]

beekeeping