references♥_1450-1470

[pliant mesa]

1450-1470? Is that this game’s timeframe?

[drowsy moth]

yes

[pliant mesa]

Nice. Hopefully more period accurate weapons and armor sets/styles will be added down the road then

[vocal vale]

shall

this channel is to post things that could fit in the game and the devs might look at it and use it to make stuff in game !!

[bleak ore]

just curious in the time period wouild soldiers be wearing gambeson coifs under their helmets

[pearl peak]

Largely no, helmets at this time had padded liners.

[bleak ore]

ok thanks

[spring ibex]

I recently had the opportunity to visit Malbork Castle (Marienburg) with my wife.
The biggest castle in the world, and for a long time the capital of the teutonic order. It's insane.

Also, shoutout to Poland! Lovely country 🇵🇱

[vocal vale]

resident earsallet expert

[prisma raven]

that's me

[ancient pivot]

the only historical game of thrones helmet

[steep pumice]

thats a pretty narrow timeframe

[pliant mesa]

Think I saw Kettle Hats and Skullcaps and even a Greathelm in that show, as well as a Sallet and Bevor. There might be other non-fictional helm types too but I don’t rember

[copper nova]

I know it is for safety in modern combat but was the stuff he has in his visor used historically also?

Doesn't seem too far fetched but I'm just curious

[vocal vale]

nope

the mesh is just to emulate visorless combat while not.. yknow.. dying

also lets harnischfechteners stab through ocularia

[copper nova]

Fair

[silver heart]

aesthetically i actually really enjoy it

[vocal vale]

me too, though if i were under the helmet i can say i'd paint it black

[ancient pivot]

In HOTD yeah there some better ones, but in GOT they pretty much all sucked

[ancient pivot]

^

[pliant mesa]

Only a few of HoTD’s armor sets are better, most are probably even worse than what’s in GoT💀

Don’t get me started on the armor sets the Targs wear💀

[zenith forge]

How should I search for specific old artwork that involves armor? I'm trying to find historical references for Italian armor from roughly 1425-1475 to see the use of Armets and what armor they were paired with. I also don't know what museums might have a collection overview as detailed as the MET that may have sets of armor from that period

[silver heart]

fish tail pommeled sword from 1460 and cinquedea from 1470

lion shaped sallet from 1475

[hasty stump]

wtf that’s so cool

[silver heart]

italians were cooking

[hasty stump]

ONGG

[silver heart]

it’s one of the earliest examples of such a type of helm from the renaissance meant to have an antique style, this one in this case meant to represent the head of the nemean lion whose pelt was worn by hercules

[hasty stump]

I see

Renaissance yesss

[grizzled mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/asuka-holy-roman-empire-asuka-holy-roman-empire-anime-medival-gif-11243885937727720439

[terse bronze]

that's not true btw

it was believed to be in reference to the nemean lion ect but recently they discovered that it was actually just his fursona

[silver heart]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-milk-gif-6919750708092698197

[kind bronze]

thats so cool i never had known till today that they had shields like that

[silver heart]

indeed, good ole talhoffer dueling shields and only good for dueling they are, the design is based around the ideal of being cumbersome to create a much longer spectacle of a fight

@kind bronze for another wacky little implement of an armament, here’s a perforated pollaxe from fiore, filled with a powder that was so corrosive it would basically instantly blind the opponent, perhaps even permanently, and he even dished out the recipe for the powder itself!

he also describes a pollaxe fitted with weighted ropes that could allow for you to lasso your opponents leg tho, i can’t seem to find an image of it

[kind bronze]

these are all so cool there are sure a lot of interesting weapons I didn't know about!

[silver heart]

i’ve posted these in here before, albeit in a different variation but, enjoy this teutonic estoc

it’s a crime nobody has a made a proper reproduction of these

[kind bronze]

are these the swords that can be seen in most combat illuminations?

[silver heart]

yes!

[kind bronze]

i like the pommel

[silver heart]

purpose designed for armored combat, pommel and crossguard being constructed that way to provide a nice boost to when ya wanna mordschlag someone, no cutting edge just like with your standard estoc so you can focus on your thrusts into the slits while half swording

[silver heart]

the purpose of that circular guard was so that you could get a more protected grip when half swording

[silver heart]

if weapon customization is ever implemented i think it’d be neat to incorporate these modular pollaxes shown off by talhoffer where the different heads and rear ends can have a variety of interchangeable parts

[celest fiber]

Bretons and English in ~1470 armours, Compillation et histoire des bretons, Pierre Le Baud, 240 v°

[terse bronze]

I think this is depicting le combat des trentes

[silver heart]

never seen that style of hammerhead, i love it

[zenith forge]

Dungeon Meshi reference??

[zenith forge]

That's insane

[shut orbit]

.

[tidal eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/giveittome-gif-21927068

I NEED IT

[lone osprey]

-paolo uccello - battle of san romano (three paintings: national gallery london, uffizi, and louve). louvre's website + national gallery have the best images.

-piera della francesco - frescoes of the history of the true cross with the battles of Constantine and Maxentius and Heraclius and Chosroes

-justus van gent - portrait of Federico da Montefeltro and his son [wikimedia good for these last two]

[zenith forge]

Thanks!

[lone osprey]

I also don't know what museums might have a collection overview as detailed as the MET that may have sets of armor from that period

for an extant intact set, even though it's paired with a barbute and not an armet, the best researched to my knowledge is the 'Avant Armour' in the Scott Collection, Glasgow. it's described in varying levels of detail in different publications. you have the casual description of 1998 David Edge, John Miles Paddock - Arms & Armor of the Medieval Knight and the intense technical analyses of 2012 Nickolas Dupras - Armourers and their Workshops and 2003 Alan Williams - The Knight and the Blast Furnace.

[zenith forge]

I'm gonna have to screenshot this so i dont forget lol.

Thabks for the info

[lone osprey]

the museums own description is a bit meh https://collections.glasgowmuseums.com/mwebcgi/mweb?request=record;id=243061;type=101

tbh I dont know if there are any other extant suits of italian armour from that particular period that have been as well researched and described as that one, probably because it is one of the most authentic. most others are composed of random bits

[zenith forge]

Yeah

[unkempt rampart]

That buckler is beautiful my god

[sullen charm]

ecranches near the breast

focus on the armor part not the helmet nor the blade

lamelarr armor

[turbid shadow]

no

simply no

[terse bronze]

Combo!

armstreet + not geographically relevant

[sullen charm]

my country used it and its slavic

[terse bronze]

blobfacepalm

[sullen charm]

there different types i know arabs used lamelarr armor

my country (bulgaria) used it

i think they used pteruges too

but i gotta do something

[robust tendon]

yeah and none of those are what half sword is aiming for, geographically

western europe

[verbal bramble]

Kind of reminds me of a bird for some reason

[unkempt rampart]

Half sword is set in Germany

[unkempt rampart]

That’s why it’s called a Ravens Beak

[verbal bramble]

I meant the split hammer thingy at the front, it kind of looks like an open beak

[dawn swift]

Me joining niche medieval game discords and still running into @terse bronze

[sullen charm]

godo to know

[glass canopy]

this is so comp

[celest fiber]

Lovely type XV sword 😍

[grizzled mesa]

did not know that

[viral rivet]

Do you think they add references to games and series?

[vocal vale]

no

the channel is for geographically relevant historical arms and armor from the time period of the game to allow the developers to see things that they could possibly add in the future

[viral rivet]

my bad, thanks

[young plaza]

Just joined the server, so unsure if this has been posted before. Here's a couple of depictions of a lesser known, shorter style of tabard/hoqueton from 1450-1460. The first picture is from MS: Douce 278 in the Bodleian library and the second from René d'Anjou's Book of Tournaments. And also a picture of me wearing my attempt at recreating one

[robust tendon]

very nice!!

[celest fiber]

Love this type of liveries !

[terse bronze]

15th century Flanders, KBR ms. 9009-11

[tight anvil]

(This runs like 1100-1550 so obviously not all in the game's timeframe)

[vocal vale]

james elmslie my goat

[robust tendon]

Cologny, Fondation Martin Bodmer, Cod. Bodmer 160: History of Thebes and History of Troy

dated 1469

[robust tendon]

by Georges Jolliot

[vocal vale]

seems like he's going for this harness?

[lone osprey]

wheres that from?

[vocal vale]

diocesan museum

repro

not a fan of the boxy cuirass on that one

[lone osprey]

pretty interesting
looks like they rearranged the first two sets from the collection since the articles on them

[zenith forge]

Omg

I love Armets

I want to be an armor smith

Too dumb tho 💔:(

[finite compass]

My brother‘s closet

[lone osprey]

looking forward to seeing this added in the cupboard update

[mint bolt]

All from Scandinavia dating back to 1000-1500

Displayed at Slottsfjell museum in Tønsberg Norway

[mint bolt]

The shield and helmet are actually from Germany

[mint bolt]

1470-1490 to be specific with the armor

[terse bronze]

that axe is cool

also do you have more info on that harness?

Is it original, a repro..?

[young plaza]

All the items on the wall are reproductions. I know the smiths that made them

Very good reproductions though so definitely useful for references

[terse bronze]

damn s cool

[young plaza]

I recently got a sword from the guy who made the pole hammer

[astral lily]

h

[mint bolt]

It is an original harness

It is from the 1200’s I believe

Post Norse era

[young plaza]

It literally says on the sign next to it that it's a repro of late 15th century style, by Albert Collins

[terse bronze]

Don't engage with trolls

[terse bronze]

need military forks

[robust tendon]

I fork with it

[frozen vault]

tactical pitchfork

[pearl peak]

The same guy who gave the intentionally wrong date also gave the correct date a few posts earlier.

I think he knows.

[young plaza]

I realised. I assume he confused the meaning of harness

[hollow charm]

bros a Khergit 💀

[sullen charm]

😂

[robust tendon]

Compression voiders, made by Georges Jolliot. 1450/1460

[ancient pivot]

damn I didn't even realise plate voiders started appearing that early

[pliant mesa]

I thought those were mid-late 16th century💀

[robust tendon]

they show up on later early modern harness but there’s a few depictions of plate voiders around in the 15th

this is dated as 1400-1420 iirc

https://collections.louvre.fr/ark:/53355/cl010091128 also this

[vocal vale]

1452, Sir Martin de Visch, Belgium

[zenith forge]

That's sick

[zenith forge]

Armor is so much autism

Just the way things go together

It's so cool

I wonder how early I can find them in Italy

[vocal vale]

plate voiders?

if you come to a conclusion let me know, i swear i've seen them remarkably early before

[zenith forge]

Yeah

[dusty harness]

sexo

[dusty harness]

This may be the earliest depiction of elbow plate voiders that I've found, at least in my limited research. The second guy from the left seems to have them. This is 1375-1400 from Padua. @vocal vale

MS 15277

[robust tendon]

it could just be really weirdly drawn maille as it's very small, but that's super interesting

i'm of the opinion that they had it far longer than rougly 20-50 years into the 15th century, it's just rarely depicted because it's ofc rare due to practicality + expense

[lone osprey]

it is small but looks pretty distinctive too. pretty cool observation

[dusty harness]

it could very well be, most knights depicted in the manuscript have the standard holes with maille.
I've also found this one, same manuscript.

they clearly had a similar technology of plate articulation for the gauntlets and grieves, so it's not that inconceivable

Other times it's clearly maille

[robust tendon]

also the sabatons, it's not all that different from compression voiders

[dusty harness]

I think that here it's pretty clear

[robust tendon]

yeah, especially so side-by-side with how the artist draws maille

[lone osprey]

damn I like that pointy tonlet thing even if its hard to tell if its just artistic license

[robust tendon]

seems all'antica ish

but it shows up quite frequently, these sorts of tonlets, so who knows

[zenith forge]

This is some cool research

[silver heart]

unsure of the dating on this one but, thought it may possibly fall somewhere in the twenty year period or at least a little before or after, the teutonic estocs wielded by the two in the center are, at the very least, representative of the period

[dusty harness]

where did you find it? It looks very interesting artistically! Almost looks like a tattoo catalog

[silver heart]

off of a collage account on insta

[fleet junco]

Can you add this but pink

[robust tendon]

sending fusion bombs to your house btw

[latent drift]

anybody got a good illustration of a 1450s poor soldier germany preferred

[terse bronze]

some various stuff

[latent drift]

why thank you kind sir

[young plaza]

Check out Kurfurstlich Sächsische Kriegsknechte on Facebook. More centered on 1475 but the poor soldiers won't be too different from the 1450s.

https://www.facebook.com/KSK1475/

[latent drift]

alright thank you

[unkempt rampart]

Is that a woven helmet?

[terse bronze]

wicker ye

[vocal vale]

the poses are from a mair illustration i can tell

the armor's like pretty mild historical fantasy, not really based off anything but not really "real" if you get me

[vocal vale]

this is pretty dubious

[mental rivet]

Isn't that one of the king Henry's armors with the exaggerated codpiece?

I don't know too much about this time period

[vocal vale]

it's a poor reproduction of one yes

[lone topaz]

Hungarian or German sallet estimated to be from the 15th century

[errant palm]

hes becoming a half sword

[lone osprey]

1450-55

[lone osprey]

basket hat confirmed

[tight anvil]

Anyway CLEARLY these are Romans /s

God I hope we get wicker hats and shoes

[lone osprey]

the truth comes out...

[terse bronze]

This sword is a replica of Dordogne swords, from the river near Castillion and is a typical arming swords for every soldier at the period.
Matt Easton posted a video a few days ago of the original.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qwuMANPsuU

Archers in the Beauchap pageant with similar swords and bucklers

[terse bronze]

St.George, Netherlandish around 1475-80
Berlin Kunstgewerbemuseum

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/20523388290/in/album-72157602380085948 another one

[fleet junco]

Is that st george

[silver heart]

some noice white armor from 1450

[terse bronze]

pretty sure that's heavily composite

[silver heart]

i wouldnt know

armor look cool, eye like looking : )

[vocal vale]

the term white armor gets applied to this harness a lot because of a couple articles on it

but virtually every harness in the 1400s was technically "white armor"

it just means armor without a surcoat or textile elements like that

[terse bronze]

white in this context just means "bare" btw

[vocal vale]

yeh

[silver heart]

^

[vocal vale]

this is the "you're gonna know by the time im done with you" channel

[silver heart]

i just called it that because of the article i saw on it referred to it as that

saw that it was from 1450 and thought

hey

that fits in half sword

i should post this

[vocal vale]

the individual elements do

by the way i never noticed that it had a bevor

i thought that was a mannequin under it

[silver heart]

i thought that as well at first but then i saw the little eye slit, i also just dont often see that kind of sallet with one on account of my blindness

[fleet junco]

Bevor and barbute

[vocal vale]

HECK YEAH

https://tenor.com/view/язык-соник-прикол-gif-299222203133912346

[silver heart]

arquebus gaming

[fleet junco]

Dont send this

[vocal vale]

its the only way to encapsulate how i feel about that picture

[unkempt rampart]

Do you have the full image?

[fleet junco]

I forgot it when i commisioned it from the painter in milan

[unkempt rampart]

I wanna see if I’m right or not

Almost every time there’s a sleeping man in armor depicted in medieval art it’s the guard sleeping outside Jesus’s tomb

[terse bronze]

https://www.wikiart.org/fr/jan-joest-van-kalkar/resurrection-of-jesus

[unkempt rampart]

Knew it

[terse bronze]

It's a ressurection scene without any surprise

that painting was allegedly made in 1508

by Jan Joest (Flemish / Netherlandish)

[fleet junco]

When was it made?

[terse bronze]

I swear to God shut the fuck up if you don't have anything smart to say

[vocal vale]

i dont agree with the harsh language but... true...

[vocal vale]

very interesting

[fleet junco]

Sorry kevlar

[terse bronze]

icon from the Slovenia's National Gallery:

Pontius Pilate, depicted as Vlad Tepes III, judging Christ, dated 1463

1473-1479 Flanders, BL Royal MS 18 E V - Chronique de Baudouin d'Avennes

[vocal vale]

this is very interesting

[robust tendon]

nice

[tight anvil]

Chain mail bikini period accurate!! :o

(Seriously though what is the context of all the guys fighting pantsless?)

[robust tendon]

they’re wearing hosen, sometimes they’re colored in a way that looks like skin + hosen is designed to fit to the shape of the legs and not be baggy

also that’s braies of maille

[terse bronze]

You already know about skirts of maille right ? They are essentially the same thing but more fitting

[tight anvil]

Ah okay yeah It really didn't look like they had pants at first but I do see them now.

[tight anvil]

I would hazard a guess that it's armor in the shape of a skirt to offer more protection around the hips and groin with less impact on mobility

[terse bronze]

those things

[tight anvil]

Okay gotcha

[terse bronze]

those are commonly called skirts

[tight anvil]

Makes sense, they do look like skirts

[terse bronze]

and maille braies (like the pic above) serve the exact same purpose but more form fitting

[tight anvil]

Is "braies" related to the word "briefs" or is the similarity in both word and object coincidental?

[terse bronze]

Pretty sure they are

as you may know english got a lot of their words from french

[tight anvil]

It sure did haha. Thanks for telling me this stuff I appreciate it. It's cool to learn new things!

[terse bronze]

Some pics of those maille braies

[tight anvil]

Nice nice.

[ancient pivot]

that 4th pic will always be one of my favourite looks

so good

[robust tendon]

c. 1470-1480 'Assassination of John the Fearless, Duke of Burgundy, on the Montereau Bridge'
in the Chronicle of Enguerran de Monstrelet, Bruges, Belgium

Volume 2, 'Chroniques' by Jean Froissart
copy from Bruges, Belgium, c.1470-1475AD

Chronicles of England by Jean de Wavrin, Bruges, Belgium, c.1470.
Österreichische Nationalbibliothek, Vienna, Cod.2534, f.62v

hounskull armet..

[vocal vale]

also keep in mind there's a greathelm in the background

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-ninja-low-taper-fade-imagine-ninja-2024-meme-fortnite-low-taper-fade-gif-7543762346278983469

[lone osprey]

yeah what the hell that's cool as

fugging veste coburg collection is awful with reproductions though. little samples only

drawing is 1475-85
similar to what I want with the war hat

speaking of which
DD2 armour has been released by buddy Ridog8
https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma2/mods/1040

warhats forthcoming

1466 - 1467 Master ES letter Q from the figurative alphabet [Staatliche Museen zu Berlin]

[lone osprey]

that bishop wearing mitre and armour is awesome. never seen that before. also love how HS has that shield with the big ass boss

[terse bronze]

Français 2609 f.219v

[bright token]

What's the shape name for the pommel on the right sword? I love it 😄

[silver heart]

dude mounted with a halberd goes crazy

[lone osprey]

might be teardrop

[bright token]

Thank you very much!

[dusty harness]

zesty

[next orchid]

actually a coincidence. brief is from brevis, meaning short, whereas braies is from braca (pants)

[next orchid]

actually it just means "plate"

even if it is covered with a jacket, it is white armor

(it is "white" as opposed to being maille, leather, or of brigandine-construct)

[fringe sigil]

I love the hounskull 😣

[fringe sigil]

What he doing if I’m wearing nothing but this

[terse bronze]

Pardon?

[robust tendon]

[lucid briar]

1460-1470, Austria, Ulrich Richental, 'Chronik des Konstanzer Konzils', Cod. 3044

[terse bronze]

1462-1465. Altarpiece for the Collegiate Church of Saint Martin Caspar Isenmann. Unterlinden Museum

[robust tendon]

covered skullcap…cool

[fringe sigil]

If only I had an awesome historically accurate helmet

All I’ve got is this INACCURATE one

INACCURATE Hounskull

[robust tendon]

Indeed that sucks

[fringe sigil]

Once I’ve got money soon I’ll get an ACCURATE one 😓

[robust tendon]

basciner…yummy

get one like this

[fringe sigil]

Yummers

I’m thinking of a brass visor…hm…

Or something cool…

Like this

Hmmm

[terse bronze]

all my homies prefer hounskull klappvisier or hounskull armets

[fringe sigil]

Sighhh I like bassinets

[odd scaffold]

What he said

[terse bronze]

BNF FR 2643 fol. 328v

[fleet junco]

It look cool

[fleet junco]

What was the big sphere on the shield used for

[terse bronze]

it's a boss

or umbo

[fringe sigil]

I think it was to redirect whatever was coming at ya

Like a spear it would make it maybe go to the right?

[fleet junco]

I guess

[lone osprey]

🔥

[robust tendon]

i think it's so that the shield fits comfortably in the hand and isn't uncomfortable when hit

also for defensive purposes prob, dome is good for deflecting blows

[robust tendon]

those upside down t shaped thingies are so cool over the maille

[prisma raven]

yeah

[terse bronze]

Hoqueton

[next orchid]

Well for that scene it's probably an archaism.

Ie, the artist is trying to either depict a fantastical character or an "antique" one

Bosses by then basically became artistic shorthand that

[vocal vale]

very interesting

[robust tendon]

they were still used on bucklers though, no?

by François L'Archevêque

also by him

[next orchid]

Yes

Escus/"heater shields" with bosses weren't though

And some of the shields are just plainly fantastical or upscaled bucklers

The armor in that depiction is also all'antica

[terse bronze]

broke: "bucklers also used bosses"
woke: "bucklers are bosses"

[jolly tusk]

these are obviously not period but they're really impressive works regardless, maybe the folks in here will appreciate them.

all hand made naturally

he's got videos on the process as well

[robust tendon]

so true

[jolly tusk]

all boss, no brakes

[terse bronze]

too late for the game

but dope halberd

[ashen sluice]

the intricacies of the details holy shit

too dope for battle

[fallen bane]

I just thought it would be cool to put hear it's frome the miniapalas muse of art

I've got other stuff to

[terse bronze]

Still too late for the game

[lone osprey]

I like these things

[delicate ginkgo]

Why does that look like Willie?

How did he get out?

[civic glade]

Loreheads. Do we have any artistic or pictorial examples of people using shields with polearms (other than spears)

An acquaintance of mine is saying there is but they can’t find any right now

[civic glade]

Link?

[dusty harness]

I've never seen it, but it wouldn't make much sense. Unless it's on horseback and the weapon in question has a point.

Anyways

this looks funny

@civic glade does this count?

[lone osprey]

there are images of it
but every illustration is context sensitive and not entirely trustworthy anyway
e.g. how much artistic license was used even if its based on an eyewitness experience,
how are the shields functioning,
etc.
this from a historical scene in the triumphal arch, but who knows, maybe the artist threw in some different polearms for the sake of making the image more interesting to look at or because the preparatory model contained them (which then also could be either based on instruction or artistic license)

from weisskunig, burgkmair illustration. the storming of Gradisca in 1508.
war against venice. illustrations made during the war. based on maximilian's personal instructions and oversight

renaissance italian soldiers seem to frequently be depicted with shields.

[lone osprey]

plenty of plausible depictions of them paired with polearms in 1450-70 in sieges too. it's just a portable barrier you can strap to your body and take off easily.

[dusty harness]

good find! It would make sense for them to have a shield if they are away from close combat to defend against ranged combat, to which polearm carriers are particularly susceptible too. But those shields look kind of cumbersome to keep on your back while fighting with two hands. Maybe they trained a particular technique that allowed use with one hand only?

perhaps only those on the outside of the formations carried shields?

[lone osprey]

I think what's more likely than a special one-handed technique is that the large fixed pavises theyre using (or Setzschilden) were designed to be embedded into the ground so they could stay upright. extant Setzschilden sometimes have stands on the back that pop out to keep them upright. and potentially then form a larger barrier with others setup adjacent. apparently this tactic was popular with Bohemian soldiers/mercenaries who famously used it in the 1504 Battle of Wenzenberg.

[lone osprey]

again, context sensitive. engraving of the 1495 battle of fornovo and plenty of other renaissance illustrations of italian soldiers show ranks of soldiers armed with shields.

[dusty harness]

that's a good point, I didn't consider that they could be pavises

[void stream]

some kettle ref for the game

[lone osprey]

That bell shape hnnnng

[robust tendon]

the ocular is so small it looks goofy..

[void stream]

yeah i must agree

I don't know if i alr posted this image before but anyways one more bell shaped kettle image

[terse bronze]

Adding to this

1. WLB Cod.hist.fol.271 fo.203v (16thc)

2. "Pilgrims in Cologne" by Vittore Carpaccio (most likely 1490s)

3. Depends if you consider pikes as polearms different than spears but in the burgundian ordonnances of 1470s (I forgot which one exactly) but pikemen are asked to have a targe with their pike

[verbal bramble]

I wonder: What is the difference between the gothic style of armor and the high gothic style of armor?

[fleet junco]

Higher level of german

[terse bronze]

I have never heard of "high gothic" being used to refer to armor tbh

[fleet junco]

So its probably nothing or no difference right?

[terse bronze]

The only instance i've hear "high gothic" being used is either in architecture or wh40k so

[tight anvil]

Space marine armor when /j

[fleet junco]

Ill add it soon

[terse bronze]

that brig lacks so much shaping....

[turbid shadow]

barely looks like its tailored for the guy

[fleet junco]

One size fits all

[verbal bramble]

So maybe, in the context of armor, high gothic = gothic

I heard it a few times

I also heard late gothic armor, I don't know if that is actually a thing or not.

[fleet junco]

Maybe a fuck ton of fluting

Even on the greaves, make it a decorative piece

[prisma raven]

Las sargas de San Salvador de Oña (early 16th century), Alonso de Zamora, Museo de Burgos.

[prisma raven]

https://weblioteca.uv.es/cgi/view.pl?sesion=202308301134298053&source=uv_ms_0837&div=404&mini=1&mend=60

[zenith forge]

oh look a mushroom,

[zenith forge]

I've never seen a hounskull armet

[terse bronze]

Do you wish to see one

[zenith forge]

ok

[terse bronze]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/94185526@N04/24139780084

[zenith forge]

funky

early armet moment

[terse bronze]

the reproduction

[zenith forge]

thats very interesting

[terse bronze]

If you wanna see a realllllyyyy funky early armet check this one out

.

[robust tendon]

date?

[terse bronze]

way too early for the game

iicr around 1410 something like that

don't have the sauce under my eyes

[torpid ridge]

The fiore style of armet

[terse bronze]

yuh

[robust tendon]

cool, didn’t know they were around then

[vocal vale]

could anyone enlighten me on the primary differences between italian and italian export armor

[terse bronze]

(check the pinned stuff in coolstuffia)

[vocal vale]

[terse bronze]

(drawings from tobias capwell's book)

[fleet junco]

It looks like the churburger one

[zenith forge]

I am interested in the mid 1400s armets personally

[vagrant charm]

iirc the first known depiction of an armet was from the 1390s

It was visorless tho

[robust jolt]

Are we allowed to suggest handgonnes

[terse bronze]

No

[terse bronze]

@next orchid handgonne

[next orchid]

low tier God gif

[civic glade]

Its a biscoque right? Its quite handsome at any rate

[civic glade]

Imagine the power with which you could smite a fucker with that thing. Id go flying

[robust jolt]

Personally I think it would be hilarious to miss with a handgonne and then just bash their head in with it.

[terse bronze]

Possibly bicoque, definitely armet

[candid storm]

Dueling Shields

[vocal vale]

for me a bicoque is an early close helm, both visor and bevor on the same pivot

other than that it just comes down to the shape which is usually either more armety or gb

i haven’t seen another solid definition nor have i found a better term for them other than “early close helm”

[terse bronze]

to me it sounds like its describing armets but i know it's debated

[vocal vale]

OH i meant the helm the term is now, unfortunately, more widely attributed to

but yeah i figure in period bicoque and armet were one in the same

[hard oar]

realistic shaderpack

[lone osprey]

I like that one

why have i lost the ability to react in this channel

[lone topaz]

dumb update

[dusty harness]

Hussite Wars from the Jena Codex

me af

[void stream]

baldness has always been the main enemy of all men since ancient times

[dusty harness]

drippy

[void stream]

and one more

cool looking kastenbrust breastplate and square shaped bevor

[dusty harness]

this man looks like a toyota

How did they achieve that color? Brass armor?

[weak halo]

Gilding

[dusty harness]

I thought so too but I have never seen a fully gilded armor. Only gold details and usually only for rulers in the 16th c.

[void stream]

i was looking if there's was a brass armor then i found this

bro who tf created this

[dusty harness]

https://tenor.com/view/nosterafu-peak-gif-10605569

[weak halo]

Artistic liberties then?

[dusty harness]

yeah most likely, depends where they're from. If it's part of a biblical or historical manuscript then it'd make sense

but usually you'd see the armor "all'antica" as well

could also be polished bronze

it kinda has the color of tin bronze

[void stream]

outside the location of the game, more precisely in germany

so no

[wispy flume]

Understood I didn't know

[terse bronze]

They exist tho, there's mentions and depictions of them, especially about Charles the bold

(see Tobias Capwell's lecture pinned in this channel)

[turbid shadow]

absolutely awesome lecture

[vocal vale]

i cant remember if russeting was around by then

there are a couple clearer depictions of fully or near fully gilded armor that i don’t have on hand right now

[dusty harness]

I'll check it out thanks

[thorny otter]

Markus Siefert did a quite nice fully gilded suit based on the depictions of Albrecht Achilles, the elector count, for one of the german castle exhibits a while ago

[dusty harness]

That's a great source thanks!

[thorny otter]

There is also a whole bunch of gilded armors in the Swiss Chronicles of Diebold Schilling and others, however, since the size of the page is somethin like 35*25 cm, the ilustration do not go into greater details

like Adrian von bubenberg here, which is probably the most detailed one

[dusty harness]

What helmet is that??

[thorny otter]

i think it's a hat with brim, band, jewel and feathers and long curly blonde-ish hair

others in the chronicles are like so

[terse bronze]

Oh yeah I knew about this one already it's great
However I feel like there's something wrong with the cuirass, especially the waist it feels too long and straight idk maybe that's just me

[robust tendon]

not just you

Looks a little flat to me

Still, it’s very nice to see a gilded harness repro

[thorny otter]

I feel the same, honestly with more of Markus's 15th cent work.

[copper nova]

Maybe the dude it's made for is just super tall

[odd scaffold]

I hav e a question about the armor.

I see people wear maille collars under gambeson. is that intentional or a layering issue

[robust tendon]

i think layering issue

Maille was worn under gambesons/jackes though

[odd scaffold]

But maille collars?

I know it's worn under the cuirass

[robust tendon]

doubt

don’t have hard evidence though

[swift jacinth]

Use of Arquebuses in the 1470s

[dusty harness]

willie moment

[terse bronze]

It's normal

[odd scaffold]

normal as in. it happened sometimes?

[terse bronze]

Most of the time tbh

[vocal vale]

pretty cool, reminds me of the visor of churburg s18 repros

[terse bronze]

Kill all burgundians 🔥 🔥

[vocal vale]

i just realized he’s got plate voiders !!

very slick, definitely one of my favorite harnesses i’ve seen

[terse bronze]

yeah he's the guy that got them from Jolliot

[lone osprey]

I love that HS already has the tassets with the concave edges

[robust tendon]

1437, Austria, ONB Cod. 3062 Kreigsbuch

really hope the ten year flexibility extends to cover this..

literal coolest shit ever

[vocal vale]

holy cannoli

[robust tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-drool-gif-24399822

me rn

[civic glade]

GOD that sword is a MONSTER

I dearly love it

[civic glade]

Armor for a chimpanzee

[terse bronze]

sworf

[civic glade]

Is it so wrong for me to want a sword taller than i, that weighs more than the fattest newborn, and which cleaves through knaves entire with determined and driven blows?

Is that so much to ask?

[unkempt rampart]

I mean the tall part is sensible but the weight part isn’t

They aren’t that heavy

[silver heart]

would burgundian wars art be too late to post?

[terse bronze]

the burgundian wars happened in 1470s so nah

[last granite]

Hundred Years’ War can??

[terse bronze]

Tho some later depictions can be made in the 16thc so careful with that

[terse bronze]

the very end yes

[tight anvil]

A tad late and English but a very cool look at getting armor on

https://catherinehanley.co.uk/historical-background/arming-a-knight-in-the-15th-century/

[shell bolt]

I have seen that in the Middle Ages they also played a kind of baseball. Using a baseball bat in combat could be a lot of fun. Could you add them?

[terse bronze]

Source and date of this ms ?

Doubt it's 15thc if it's even real

[fleet junco]

Theyre playing pov pob

@terse bronze what is tjis

[terse bronze]

Tourney greatbascinet based on King René's tourney book

[fleet junco]

Thank

[bleak ore]

radiscinet goes hard

[upper lintel]

actually fire

[robust tendon]

did a reverse image search, it's apparently flemish and from 1301

full thingy

museum calls it "stoolball"

it's from the ghistelles calendar

[terse bronze]

Cool

[vocal vale]

visors like that are often called kolbenturnierhelms

because they’re used in kolbenturnier

[fleet junco]

Thank you santa of saturn

[lone osprey]

Wilhelmina when

this mode would be fire with the physics in this game

[fleet junco]

The couples dispute

[lone osprey]

perfect

[agile kindle]

Divorce Mode

[young plaza]

Always nice to see Albert! Looking forward to going there next summer

[shell bolt]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoolball

[tight anvil]

Medieval sports/games modes would be so fun

Let me play medieval frying pan baseball!

[covert cloud]

yo

[dusty harness]

1441 Germany
History of the Trojan War
GNM Hs998

[fleet junco]

Why was it called the trojan war

[vocal vale]

because it allegedly happened in troy

[fleet junco]

Aw damn, i thought it was gonna just be round two of people jumping out of a horse

[vocal vale]

it is not round 2 it is a manuscript about the people jumping out of the horse

[fleet junco]

Would be cool

[unkempt rampart]

I love how cutting through armor has been a trope for such a long time

[dusty harness]

The artist has never seen a battlefield lol

[vocal vale]

to be fair back in the time of the trojan war bronze armor was used and there are plenty of examples of bronze armor that got absolutely impaled to an unfortunate end for their wearer

but the blood through the armor thing is pretty common in medieval stuff so its definitely not the artist's historical knowledge of armor lol

i say back in the time of the trojan war meaning back when it was written

[dusty harness]

it's fair to assume that (in the majority of cases) those who wrote manuscripts were not the ones who fought. Even today a lot of knowledgeable medieval historians have misconceptions about how weapons and armours actually worked. So it's not impossible that a monk who has never seen a battlefield would have no idea about that sort of thing

[dusty harness]

true, but the armour depicted is clearly modern steel

"modern" as in contemporary to the author

I just love that medieval artists predicted the halfsword blood update
The blood particles even look similar

[vocal vale]

-Red
-On ground
-On armor

guys... im seeing some strange coincidences

[dusty harness]

[lusty sluice]

new gamemode?

[wispy jungle]

look at this fragment of a miniature from the Chronicle of Hainaut, an illustrated manuscript in three volumes that traces the history of the county of Hainaut up to the end of the 1446th century. Its text was written around 1450-1390 by Jean Vauquelin

This armor looks insanely drippy

[copper nova]

I love how jolly the guy behind him is

[zenith forge]

https://tenor.com/view/asuka-holy-roman-empire-asuka-holy-roman-empire-anime-medival-gif-11243885937727720439

noooo embed fail

[silver heart]

that rear poleaxe head is sick as fuck, never seen one like it

[wispy jungle]

Ikr

[next orchid]

The illuminators by this point were their own group. The purpose of manuscript art is to tell a story, not to be "accurate".

And by the 15th c. a lot of the histories were being written by guys who were actually soldiers

[sullen charm]

Pls

[hasty stump]

They need to add this to half
Sword

[void stream]

and another cool statue

[fleet junco]

His arm is missing

[void stream]

yeah i saw that

[ancient pivot]

chopped right through his gauntlet, vambrace and arm, damn

[dim wave]

https://tenor.com/view/rcbc-rowan-college-of-burlington-county-groovy-happy-holidays-happy-gif-19620314

why no gifs

[fleet junco]

Something seomthing #announcements

https://tenor.com/view/rcbc-rowan-college-at-burlington-county-sword-onward-adventure-gif-19619505

[dim wave]

yay

[hasty stump]

Is bro taking a shit

[potent tangle]

pondering

perhaps even thinking

you could call him the thinker

[terse bronze]

local discord user discover "sitting down"

[void stream]

tree stumps turned into toilets now

[silver heart]

that’s beautiful

[lone osprey]

real altarpiece hours

[hasty stump]

I wouldn’t sit down on that

[lone osprey]

This is great

[fleet junco]

Were never gonna get this, arent we? 😦

[robust tendon]

[zenith forge]

Armet <3

[robust tendon]

true

[upper lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-shibe-shibe-shiba-inu-holding-hands-dog-gif-16445049126026695791

[vocal vale]

when i see chinstrap over bevor, all i can say is F Yeah .

[lone osprey]

definitely wanting the left 👀

[lone osprey]

belt wrapped around the scabbard is such a look

[vocal vale]

whoa i didnt even notice that

[frank island]

.

[vocal vale]

what is the point in sending this message

[frank island]

see my roles bub

[vocal vale]

would've been a better idea to do so in #general-catfish-🐱🐟

[frank island]

yeah but im lazy

i was already in references

[prisma raven]

fr

[terse bronze]

FINGER RING YEAAAAAHHH

[lone osprey]

https://paulbourke.net/panorama/MurtenStory/final/

1/10 scale version of the recent digitization of the murten panorama

looks so much better than the original photography

[turbid shadow]

so effing cool man

[lone osprey]

hell yeah especially considering this was the earlier quality

[turbid shadow]

now compare it to this

[lone osprey]

now you can see individual brushstrokes and dried paint

I'm just mesmerized looking at all the little dramas and units charging

[turbid shadow]

yeah its a very lively drawing

[ancient pivot]

New rondel man

[fleet junco]

Armet was nade in blender

[thorny otter]

one would not even tell the armor was not made for him at all

[zenith forge]

need

[civic glade]

Not a ref but a question, anybody ever seen a period source of a falchion with this profile?

[fleet junco]

Like this?

Kevlar

[civic glade]

That seems like its going the other way

The blade on that curves forward like a scythe, the one on this curves back like a saber

[fleet junco]

Swore i saw it before, all well

Also whats with the curved handle ive never seen that before i think

[civic glade]

It seems common enough on sabers. But such a slight curve may only be aesthetic

Heavier curves on like north african sabers act as a hand stop

[fleet junco]

Pistol grip

[robust tendon]

1445-1449.
'family of Jean Jouvenel (Juvénal) des Ursins' ((circle of the) Master of the Munich Golden Legend?), Cathédrale Notre-Dame, Paris, Musée de Cluny, Paris, France
"Jean de Jouvenel's son on the left wears gilded armour, appropriate to a knight, and another son on the right wears the plainer armour of an esquire.

The armet of the son on the left is fitted with a wrapper and a sallet visor. A so-called armet-sallet hybrid (Tobias Capwell)."

1470-1480

'Froissart, Chroniques', Museum Plantin-Moretus, Antwerpen, province of Antwerp, Belgium

[bright token]

Beautiful close helm and sallet

The one crecy shared

[candid storm]

Battle Of San Romano, Paulo Uccello (1438-1440)

[terse bronze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bi3RXd66NU

Polish but subtitles should be available?

[terse bronze]

big dump incoming

[turbid shadow]

good shitt

[robust tendon]

really good stuff

[thorny otter]

and good reference for me to think about changing the mounting of the spaulders somehow. The left one tends to separate from the shoulder on a couple of photos. Probably will end up mounting it a bit higher up, closer to the neck, but there is also a possibility of making two holes to the back of the spaulder, as that is what the original has, and use these to tie to the maille or something.

[prisma raven]

Calatayud, Colegiata de Santa María la Mayor
Tomas Giner's Workshop
Epiphany Altarpiece
Second half of the 15th century

Altarpiece of Saint Bartholomew
Second half of the 15th century
Parish Church of Santa Wulalia de Cruilles

[ancient pivot]

is he wearing a hounskull bascinet with a bevor?

also sallet with hounskull visor?

[tepid edge]

I'm gonna search "Katana" in this channel and see how annoying it gets

Looks like he is gone. Doesn't seen like we lost much either.

But besides that, not much shows up, atleast with just the word Katana

[terse bronze]

It's because people suggesting katanas and other stupid shit don't actually interact in this channel much

Try looking up suggestions now

[unkempt rampart]

From the Murten Panorama

What even is that?

[void stream]

when it's not katanas, it's Guts' sword from Berserk

but that's more for suggestions

[ancient pivot]

like a weird 1 handed halberd

[void stream]

It's more like a billhook than a halberd

[terse bronze]

Also just a headsup but the painting yall are sharing detail of rn is vastly innaccurate, keep that in mind

[tough sparrow]

They done cut my fuckin halberd bruh i cant have SHIT in this place

[ancient pivot]

billberd

[terse bronze]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/26773

[void stream]

damn this looks weird

[silver heart]

what in the hell is bro wielding

[fleet junco]

It look like a bill

[fallen nova]

A customs games mode would be so fun. Where you can add x amount of willies and pick which weapons they have and stuff or just so you can make a 20 man fist fight or something. Been loving everything so far, it’s literally the only game I play which isn’t multiplayer🫶🏼

[silver heart]

wrong channel

[fallen nova]

Oh, I was going to put it in feedback but then it tagged this channel and mentioned for suggestions lmfao. Where abouts should I put it?

[lone osprey]

To be fair not in its entirety - the designers based it on a variety of visual sources including illustrations from diebold schilling's chronicle and museum pieces of the actual burgundbeute

But yes there are numerous things that appear wildly inaccurate too- it varies though

[true zodiac]

Scorpion

[silver heart]

i love it

[civic glade]

Looks like a halberd or a complex bill that was cut

Or broken

Very intriguing either way

[lone osprey]

Whats that from?

[fleet junco]

The medieval times

[robust tendon]

reverse image search doesn't give much...but i think it's probably french (not that it narrows it down)

[robust tendon]

@terse bronze do u happen to know what ms this is from

[terse bronze]

Froissart chronicles, France/Flanders

[robust tendon]

epic

[fleet junco]

Kevv

[terse bronze]

Which exact one ifk

Idk

[robust tendon]

kevin

[terse bronze]

I kill you

[robust tendon]

Bibliothèque nationale de France MS Français 6465, France, c.1455-1460AD

pretty cool stuff here...gilded maille and a kit with mostly maille (for the upper body at least) but some plate

[terse bronze]

That fit the description of french coustillier

[stuck sigil]

that's alot of maille. I wonder how long it would take to field an army like this

[terse bronze]

3 month 2 days 14 hours 56 seconds

exactly

[lone osprey]

masterpiece 👌

[unkempt rampart]

DADG is my only hope for bannerlord

[fleet junco]

Dadg

[zenith forge]

thats insanely good

the dream armor ngl

[zenith forge]

whats your references for it?

[terse bronze]

he didn't make it

[zenith forge]

oh

damn

[ancient pivot]

@surreal pawn ^

[vocal vale]

looks similar to capwell’s illustration of italian export armor

[pliant mesa]

insert Lobotomy Corporation reference here

[ruby nacelle]

i know its not real but highland sword from Chivalry 2 ever been brought up?

[unkempt rampart]

If it’s not real it isn’t getting brought up

[robust tendon]

by georges jolliot

[zenith forge]

alr

[fleet junco]

George jollyot!

[true zodiac]

Dierick von der Merwede, 1452

[vocal vale]

slick

love the stop rib

[fleet junco]

all of these are going to be in halfsword

[south abyss]

Niccolo Mauruzi

[south abyss]

Konrad Witz (a bit early 1435-40ish but still cool)

[south abyss]

nvm this was posted already

[lone osprey]

m8 that one's by paul the bird

[south abyss]

wot

[thorny otter]

"Ucello" is italian word for "bird"

[south abyss]

paulino birdy

[void stream]

man, it's like the fifth time or even more that I've seen this same artwork by the same artist

even I once posted this art here on the channel

[lone osprey]

just the fifth demand of many to the devs to add those fire helmet crests

[vocal vale]

it is very wonderful and exemplary

[robust tendon]

cool stuff

fully covered harness..

[robust tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-sad-gif-14182281298586420232

look like armstreet

I sleep

this however…yummy

[silver heart]

huh?

[candid storm]

brand that doesnt rlly have the most historically accurat or hight quality stuff ig

[silver heart]

i have no clue where it’s from, i just thought it was similar to what yall were talking about

[candid storm]

it is similar, btu probably not the best example? idk

i just was explaining what armstreet was

[ancient pivot]

I really don't know how I feel about covered couters, just looks so odd

But at the same time, it's still cool

[zenith forge]

Brigandine cap..

[fleet junco]

Whats wrong with that

[robust tendon]

covered

not brigandine

[zenith forge]

Ah

[desert robin]

ah shit i tripped and spilled my 12th century into the chat

[robust tendon]

happens to the best of us

[terse bronze]

quick separate them they're fighting

[desert robin]

Let us parleyen rather than perishen.

[robust tendon]

potentially very low fantasy, not sure though

[candid storm]

i love the onion shape

[rapid basin]

Smacky sticks, pokie poles and blocky bois

[thorny otter]

neither the onion shape or the bargrill are too out of place. Daniel Gosk's book on medieval kettle hats features more extreme choices

[thorny otter]

Like

[silver heart]

some of it is out of period but, still very neat, especially those partisans with the half plate harness

[ancient pivot]

seen this one before

[robust tendon]

It was mostly the bargrill, i’ve see the shaping and the “visor” on the kettle before

[snow wadi]

his toes are massive

[ancient pivot]

he only has 4, he has to make up for it somehow

[south abyss]

https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Wolfenbüttel_Picture_Book_(Cod.Guelf.78.2_Aug.2º)

some are from 1465

[kindred folio]

Quarterstaff

[fleet junco]

Skull caps 4 life

[civic glade]

^ this user LOVES concussions

[silver heart]

based pfp and banner

[fleet junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227411792473362534/1293957501489909852/plume_stolen.gif

[tiny valve]

holy moly

[void stream]

beautiful armors especially the first and last images

since they are the same armor

[vocal vale]

i like the italian switch into the more ovular cuirasses and flemish plackarts

the armets get real cool looking around then too

[wraith pewter]

Love the Wallace collection

Always a must-see imo

[zenith forge]

What year is this roughly?

[vocal vale]

very late 1470s into the 80s i’d estimate

[zenith forge]

thats what I was thinking

[vocal vale]

that kind of plackart and egg shaped cuirass appears in italy very late into the 1400s but the armet remains as they were the previous years until around 1490 or 1500 when they get more “dog” looking

[rapid basin]

I was looking forward to it when I came on my trip, definitely worth it

[cedar basin]

Given this is a tournament game I'd really like to see the type of helmets used in mounted buhurt implemented given they're also period appropriate, the barred fromought (sometimes with a wider visor lip than those meant for jousting/combat, sometimes not).

[wraith pewter]

Yeah, they've got one of the best collections of period armour in Europe

[cedar basin]

(though this pic is later, 1500 iirc)

[verbal bramble]

Oh that sallet is beautiful!

[lone osprey]

tbh it's more like judicial combat / sparring / fighting book illustrations with blood than tournament

[lone osprey]

this guy is iconic

love that swordspear thing

he looks like he should be stabbing jesus with it

[terse bronze]

if he was a roman soldier in a 1470s painting of the Crucifixion he probably would

[tight anvil]

We should bring back using contemporary technology in paintings of historical/biblical events. Jesus on the cross getting hit in the side with an R-9X launched by a predator drone with a centurion helmet on it

[robust tendon]

weird looking besagews

Are they lined or something else?

[silver heart]

is that a swordstaff he’s wielding?

[vocal vale]

open vambraces also

[tight anvil]

I'm assuming the thing the person on the left has is an early hand cannon but I'm not totally sure

[terse bronze]

Yeah leather I think

[terse bronze]

yes

[terse bronze]

early is relative this is still supposed to be 1470s but it is a hand cannon/gun

[tight anvil]

Gotcha. Yeah I guess hand held gunpowder weapons had been in use to some extent for almost a century by then.

[terse bronze]

yur

[weak halo]

smokin hot

[silver heart]

NOICEEEEE

so like, early 16th century kit? or is just the weapon early 16th?

[terse bronze]

1470s

[silver heart]

gotcha

[terse bronze]

baselards would be dope

[prisma raven]

hard

[terse bronze]

[prisma raven]

[lost zealot]

a greek icon by Nicolaos Tzafouris (Circa 1450s)

[zenith forge]

gorgeous

[ruby shell]

we should get great helms/ crusader helms

like the fat buckets with the cross visor

i think thats era appropriate

[terse bronze]

No we shouldnt

[terse bronze]

they arent

[ruby shell]

which century is this game set

15th century right

[terse bronze]

Yes, the dates written in this channel's name

1450-1470 (10years wiggle room)

[ruby shell]

crusader helms were in use from 12th to the 14th

late twelth century to 14th century

so possibly out dated by like 10 years tops

[terse bronze]

"crusader helmet" doesn't mean anything. Greathelm is the real name and they weren't specifically a crusader thing, yes they were worn until the later parts of the 14thC. the game is set in the late 15thc however.

[ruby shell]

twelfth*

mb correcting my statement

this specific style of helmet

says twelfth to the fourteenth century

[terse bronze]

This is a greathelm from germany dated 1270-90s

possibly VERY early 1300

[ruby shell]

wait im getting it confused w the frog mouth helmet

i thought the frog mouth came first

even then a 100 year old helmet wouldnt be that impossible

[terse bronze]

it would

[terse bronze]

frogmouth would work for the game yeah

or some other kind of tournament oriented greatbacinets

or just others late 15thc GB

[heady oar]

Why would yall want the frogmouth helmet can’t even see out of it

[terse bronze]

You can you just have to tilt your head down

[vocal vale]

do you see anybody using 100 year old helmets in war right now

[fleet junco]

Wasnt used for ground fighting

[terse bronze]

some greatbascinets were

relatively similar

[lone topaz]

it wouldnt make much sense but itd be cool

[vocal vale]

see: grand bascinet of ulrich ix von matsch

[fleet junco]

Where

[upper lintel]

Lets dont get political

[vocal vale]

[unkempt rampart]

I hate this argument

Do you see people running around with Brody helmets in the current day?

[lone osprey]

I really really need it

[vocal vale]

love the grand gardbrace of this fellow

[ruby shell]

no but i see plenty of people with stens and ppsh 41s

and there are 1911s from well 1911

and just because there common use ceased doesnt mean they stopped being made entirely

[terse bronze]

modern man discovers mass production

and industrialism

1911s used today are not the same from 1911 man they're just modernized versions of the old gun

Either way that's a false equivalence

to stick to medieval context : greathelms in 1470 is just no

no way around, no hypothesis blabla, it's just no

[lean pendant]

he's such a baby girl ❤️

[fleet junco]

He died

[lean pendant]

huh when?

[vocal vale]

nobody from the 1400s is alive today i’m afraid

[fleet junco]

Is this historically accurate

[short sky]

gyat

[peak lava]

what even is that suppose to be

[latent drift]

i think its post to be centaur armor

[robust tendon]

also important to note that greathelms are a high class armor made for mounted combat primarily, discarded when in melee

a "poor" levy would have no use for it and neither would a noble/professional soldier, all of these can afford new arms or armor and in fact a greathelm would straight up be inferior to visored helmets of later times

[fleet junco]

What is he wearing

[lone topaz]

clearly a motorcyle helmet

[vocal vale]

barbute

[next orchid]

plenty? u livin in 1960s or something?

actual 1911s from 1911 are rare. even WWII era ones are getting to be uncommon

[white fulcrum]

no, fantasy. dude also drew up some cool rhino centaur armour

oh wait ur not serious 🤒

[fleet junco]

Im not serious

[white fulcrum]

you’re not serious you’re the liab

[fleet junco]

Eggsactly

[fleet junco]

Jes holding a cool shield

[next orchid]

Escu is the English term for the "heater" shield

[vocal vale]

italian x3, more gothic armor with an armet, more gothic armor with a giornea (?)

[lone osprey]

god I love DOLCH

weapon pack out for DD2 btw if anyone interested

[light heath]

i woul like to see weapons outside of a europe setting. like the snake like german longsword.

[terse bronze]

snake like "german" longsword ?

flammeberge ?

that's still in europe, just not from the correct timeperiod

[light heath]

that is fair.

i did frase that poorly.

i ment the time period.

[turbid shadow]

fyi the game takes place on HRE 1450-1480

[light heath]

ok then. nevermide the last part.

[compact flame]

This specific arm harness is based off of my brother's which is based off of this original it has some mistakes present and the large rondel on the shoulder was put on for SCA combat

Its also 14th century and not really matching the time period that the game is set

[fleet junco]

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