references♥_1450-1470

[severe mauve]

the aventail turns from maille to plate, so if you got hit in the side of the head it would protect your spine and make it harder for your neck to break and stuff like that

[ancient pivot]

could the pembridge fit in? Idk what time frame that is exactly

[sour crow]

Ohh interesting

[tired pasture]

inbetween you get rigid throat defenses that showing up as shaped metal pieces attached to the aventail

[sour crow]

Dudee those would be so cool in game

[severe mauve]

i very much agree

[ancient pivot]

I know it's mainly seen a bit earlier, but idk when it went out of use

[tired pasture]

theyre too early for the game

[sour crow]

I hope their added

[tired pasture]

pembridge is 1340 or 60

[sour crow]

Great bascinets ???

[tired pasture]

i dont remember which

[tired pasture]

rigid throat defenses

[ancient pivot]

damn

[tired pasture]

great bascinets arent

those would fit

[sour crow]

Yay

Those would be so cool

[severe mauve]

i think the only reason they may not be added is because the great bascinet restricts your head movement quite a bit so you really wouldnt be able to look around much without turning your whole torso

[sour crow]

And? Still hella awsome

[severe mauve]

i agree

[sour crow]

Would be good for final tier

Heavy knight tier or something idk

[tired pasture]

development is slow and there’s still a really good chance that itll be added

[sour crow]

Why isint their mail under the armor in half sword or is that how it was idk

[tired pasture]

barbutes dont really present most of those neck restrictions and still arent jnfame

[tired pasture]

probably again something to do with development

[sour crow]

Ohh mb

[tired pasture]

we i dont think

have ever seen maille in halfsword

[fleet junco]

there is maile what

[sour crow]

It’s in platetest

[tired pasture]

nothing like

[sour crow]

Play test

[tired pasture]

voiders

[severe mauve]

maille standards and skirts but nothing else

[tired pasture]

or skirts

[fleet junco]

there are skirts

we dont have voiders

[tired pasture]

there are?

[fleet junco]

yeah

[severe mauve]

ye

[tired pasture]

ive never* noticed skirts

[sour crow]

Will they add full mail shirt and stuff

Hopefully

[severe mauve]

and here are the standards :3

[sour crow]

Still awsome tho

[severe mauve]

very much so

[sour crow]

Great bascinet would go hard tho

[fleet junco]

yes

[sour crow]

Flail would be kinda funny

[keen fractal]

ooh i love the crown on the helmet

the chain mail + cloth looks good, i like the golden part as well on the helmet

[lone topaz]

anyone know what this kind of bascinet visor is called and what time period it would have been from?

[tired pasture]

plow faced

the skull on this isnt original but the visor is

theyre always depicted on regular bascinet skulls and never on barbutes

cuz like this is 14th century visor on a 15th century barbute

[lone topaz]

very cool

thank you

[tired pasture]

i lost one of my references for it but ill see if i can find it

[severe mauve]

me too, shit is so fucking cool

[fleet junco]

Visored barbute!!!!!

[tired pasture]

💔

[terse bronze]

Buhurt,

Buhurth century

It looks inspired by flatter visors found on bascinet like on that spoleto fresco

but it is very much buhurt shaped

[civic glade]

Why do you guys hate buhurt so much

[rocky sand]

the armour is very thick and bulky compared to what you would actually see. Atleast from my basic understanding

[fleet junco]

yes, the armor is more about protecting from slashes rather than protection from stabs

so its gonna be big

and irrc its no chianmaisale

[toxic breach]

I don't think the people here dislike the sport
Just when people post the armor in the reference channel, which ideally is designed for accurate references

And buhurt armor is far from accurate in most regards

So shitting up the reference channel with inaccurate and useless images will ofc earn unsavory reactions

[terse bronze]

this exactly tbh

[toxic breach]

Earlier someone posted a collection of images depicting larp and outdated harnesses like whyyy

[terse bronze]

I don't even see in my messages what would convey the message of me hating buhurt tbh

[sour crow]

we need great bascinet

[lyric garnet]

I'd love to see some of the early 1450-1470s halberds ingame

not sure how credible a source this museum site is, but

[robust tendon]

need better pavise art

[minor comet]

holy shit imagine if we could be able to paint our own shields

[vocal vale]

half sword reference

[lyric garnet]

some more polearm related stuff

[robust tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

guhhhh not this image

[lyric garnet]

hehe, i did hear some stuff about it being of 'not great credential value'

[vocal vale]

phylogenies are not a valid representation of the development of arms and armor

[lyric garnet]

but oh well

[vocal vale]

its alright for showing the different types, but the branches and times are often too strict

[robust tendon]

it isn't, like the weapons aren't bad but it's not really a good image for development

arms and armor aren't really always developments of off each other

[vocal vale]

things like this where it's just laid out and you can make your own conclusions are better

[robust tendon]

the helmet one is way worse, the nasal straight up develops into a "skullcap"/cervelliere

regresses

[lyric garnet]

understandable (i am foaming at the mouth at the thought of spetum/ranseur style polearms in this game if i can find any credence for some similarity of them existing in the timeframe)

[tired pasture]

this isnt very reliable

[vocal vale]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-green-goblin-slap-gif-22030295

he kno

[tired pasture]

bashford dean stick to making body armor for the entente

[vocal vale]

i like bashford dean and i like the look of phylogenies it makes me sad they dont really mesh well

[lyric garnet]

which is why i've been pouring over museum records for anything resembling spetums (at least i found a few halberds that fit the time)

[lyric garnet]

Look polearms that have long spear like blades and prongs are COOL

Can you blame me?

I was gonna look into some Awl Pikes but it seems people already made a wholeass feedback thread for it so that's that, new weapon to foam over to

[civic glade]

Hewing spears ig you could say just absolutely rule

[fleet junco]

add hand cannons

[tired pasture]

add pepper

[terse bronze]

Dr peppe

[tepid edge]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Italian_-_Sallet_-_Walters_51580.jpg

Is the helmet supposed to be that low

Looks strange

[terse bronze]

no

it's not supposed to go on that harnes eaither

that's another case of composite stuff

also

[upper lintel]

It looks silly even with a dummy head on

I just dont get why would you wanna leave your eyes exposed

Gorget+barbute is crazy work

[terse bronze]

Maybe cuz you gotta see

I mean if you wanna go full jedi guided by the Force go ahead...

[upper lintel]

Yeah cause other helmets make you blind....

[terse bronze]

I mean helmets are a balance between protection, breathability and visibility edit: and comfort

makes you wonder why ppl used kettles and not greatbascinets everytime!!

[upper lintel]

I mean sure but its just wierd to leave such a big chunk of skin exposed when you could afford every helmet in the world....

[terse bronze]

Why do modern soldiers on campaign don't use balistic faceshield ?

[upper lintel]

Pretty sure its an budget thingy..

[terse bronze]

It's not

it for convenience

it's easier to see, hear, breathe and like draw a bow for instance if you're using a visorless helmet rather than a armet

[upper lintel]

[upper lintel]

An archer in full plate armour would be a strange sight yk...

[terse bronze]

Also why before visors completely "replaced" greathelms, they would toss said greathelm over when dismounting, fighting with pretty much the face exposed (except if you have a bretache), because fighting hand-to-hand with a greathelm would be awkward as fuck

[upper lintel]

I give up

[terse bronze]

vibing

[fleet junco]

histor

[humble monolith]

Wym?

[fleet junco]

oof, those are like calvary and ceremony stuff in like the 1600 or something

[humble monolith]

I was just kidding

But thanks for the info

[keen fractal]

gibe me woman in armor
https://fxtwitter.com/Jimbo19y/status/1825021727568527789

[terse bronze]

Delete this

do it or else

I don't want to see this piece of garbage no more

[fleet junco]

DIE

[terse bronze]

Not my fault that "armor" is fucking ugly as sin

also uhhh

war

[vocal vale]

third photo is so dope

[robust tendon]

kill him with glaives

[upper lintel]

this shit is so cringe

[lyric garnet]

It's either that for EVERYONE or it's realistic era appropriate armor for everyone
No double standards, give women in realistic medieval armor and not metal bikinis

[civic glade]

How accurate is this diagram? Its given as mid 15th so it should be in the timeframe

[civic glade]

Agree bigly

[terse bronze]

It's very accurate, it's linked to a twitter mega-thread explaining it by @Eol4242 go read it

also.. this isn't necessarily a reference for the game per se but it's rare to see armor (and maille in particular) proofing !

[lost zealot]

this thing looks interesting

an axe and a warhammer combination

[terse bronze]

Just like a pollaxe

crazy

[terse bronze]

Also that's 18thc

[lost zealot]

thats sad

[lost zealot]

never seen one that look like it before

how about this

[toxic breach]

[lost zealot]

ooh ma gah

[terse bronze]

Yeah that's good

.

[tired pasture]

what if this is just someone’s really thin gold arm

[terse bronze]

kill this guy he knows too much

[robust tendon]

the men

[patent pond]

Me and the boys when we relize theres goth mommys at the function

[boreal crater]

Should add a blade like this

[toxic breach]

Why!

[violet tapir]

dune

[wise hearth]

cool concept

[tired pasture]

get out

[robust tendon]

these are called plomees, right?

[tired pasture]

the game takes place in the late second half of the 15th century

[tepid edge]

Visored Barbute, egirl moment

[sour crow]

did knights actually use greatswords

in 15th centurz

y

[hearty scroll]

would be nice to see eastern variants of armor/weapons in game

Artist: Giorgi Tsiklauri
Fully based on the Archaeological findings in Georgia, frescoes, old depictions and historical accounts.

[lost zealot]

The game was based on medieval europe

No eastern armor

[turbid shadow]

Game is focusing on europe and on a specific time period which is 1450-1480.

[lost zealot]

Yes

But its very limited

Cool polearm

Is it too late for the game ?

[hearty scroll]

The armor depicted in the art is typical of Eastern Europe, specifically these examples were used in the period between 1008 and 1490 AD. Armor of a similar lamellar type was used in Rus' (which includes the territories of modern Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Poland, Moldova and Romania), Byzantium and the Caucasus region, all of which constitute a massive piece of Europe.

I understand that the game references a specific historical period in Western Europe, but the main problem is that the armor options presented become boring over time, especially considering the lack of customization, which I hope will be added later.

[lost zealot]

Well the armors from the baltic would probably be added "i hope", like from the grand duchy of lithuania and etc, but thats just my theory

[lost zealot]

Like this one

[upper thistle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/e0MGbeLFKrs?si=eNgtWQgv4-bulhol

[upper lintel]

true 15century armour lacks variety

a few types of helmets and thats it

[vocal vale]

whar

those are all 15th century

there is an immense variety of pauldron and spaulder configurations, textile decorations, fluting, engraving, gilding, blackening, a variety of visors and helms and ornaments, and many styles of reinforcement

[terse bronze]

You think* it lacks variety

[upper lintel]

yeah

right

[lyric light]

absolutely love the last cuirass

[hearty scroll]

it's not, but i would love to have a non western european armor as an option

[sullen charm]

GYATT

[toxic breach]

Fellows call me "the Couter"

[toxic breach]

False

[toxic breach]

The bascirmet

[terse bronze]

armet

[toxic breach]

Ermm

It's clearly a bascirmet

[terse bronze]

buger

[lyric garnet]

On one hand, yeah, things are pretty varied and the stern historical limitations are really refreshing, on the other hand, i'd die to see a dark fantasy setting like dark souls 1's with this kind of commitment to realism and adherence to physics lol

Capra Demon but those swords fling you accross the room and you lose leg control

[toxic breach]

Commitment to realism which results in you being unable to lift your mega ultra large death sword

[terse bronze]

guess you gotta hope for a full conversion mod

[lyric garnet]

exactly

[rustic dune]

Plz educate yourself
From what i know in the 15th century blacksmithing was advanced enough to make a big variety of helmets and armors
Just because some ghotic and italian style where more popular dosent mean there is a lack of variety

[lyric garnet]

dark fantasy setting but with like, actually sensible weapons and armor and whanot

[toxic breach]

This is you

[lyric garnet]

"yeah sure he's the god of sunlight, doesn't mean his sword needs to be 72 kilos and impossible to lift"

[lyric garnet]

true

I'm that one kinda overrated pink floyd album cover

[terse bronze]

moo...

[toxic breach]

True

[upper lintel]

oh wowzers

someone GOT mad

like i said there isnt ANYTHING

😱

based on what they could add to the game there isnt much to

[vocal vale]

1450-1480 is like peak fashion brah

[toxic breach]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

[minor comet]

20224 is peak fashion

[upper lintel]

i aint saying it isnt maan 😭😭😭

i love it

[vocal vale]

holy cannoli thats raddd

[lyric garnet]

Armor is cool and all but awl pikes are cooler

[rustic dune]

Dud the game is not even in early acces
And i didn't get mad i just said to educate yourself before u speak
Do you have the room temp iq?

[vocal vale]

im not trying to like be mean but i dont understand your point here

there's genuinely so much to be added

[terse bronze]

all'antica lesgo

yeah

[toxic breach]

The point is to add URINATION into the game.

[upper lintel]

but there just isnt many TYPES of helmets

[toxic breach]

Yes there is little boy

[upper lintel]

many variations...

[lyric garnet]

i'm pretty sure this one wasn't invented until like ww2

[upper lintel]

i aint a little boy 😭😭

[terse bronze]

there isn't many variations of helmets compared to what ?

[vocal vale]

armets
barbutes
sallets
kettle sallets
kettle hats
bicoques
grand bascinets

off the top of my head

[upper lintel]

i meant the heavy armour ones

forgot to specify

:d

[toxic breach]

Those r heavy armor ones

Nothing stops u from wearing either with full plate

[terse bronze]

What does heavy armor even mean

[rustic dune]

Just go to Pinterest and search 15th century helmets/armor

[terse bronze]

a kettle with a bevor is heavy armor no ?

wtf

[toxic breach]

Heavy Armor can't you Read little Boy?

[vocal vale]

they're ALL heavy armor

[toxic breach]

Tank Armor.

[lyric garnet]

As stupid as these are, and likely not very useful outside of jousting, they DO fit the timeframe lol

[vocal vale]

spanish dudes wore kettles and bevors all the time

[terse bronze]

and french :3

[vocal vale]

all of those are "heavy"

[vocal vale]

french were peak fashion

[terse bronze]

kettle + bevor goes insanely hard

[toxic breach]

Players vision in this helmet:
A line

[lyric garnet]

imagine having a way to turn your head lol

[rustic dune]

Mfs always fancy

[toxic breach]

Well Willie already turns his entire body to face another direction

[lyric garnet]

true

[toxic breach]

Glorpus

[upper lintel]

okay i get it no offense,a shame not everybody cant say that beacuse someone has an diff opinion

[toxic breach]

Well Young man you are being rather vague yourself!

Henceforth You will be beaten with Hammers

[upper lintel]

jeez... lets just say High tier in halfsword ;pp

[vocal vale]

uninformed opinion

[toxic breach]

But all those helmets r high tier

[vocal vale]

what

[toxic breach]

Kettles and barbutes were used with full plate harnesses

[upper lintel]

I AM TALKING IN HALFSWORD TERMS... 😭

[terse bronze]

is this guy slow

[toxic breach]

Bro

By high tier in halfsword terms do U mean full plate armor

[rustic dune]

He took all the chromosomes for himself

[toxic breach]

If so then all of those helmets were worn wit full plate armore

[vocal vale]

what

half sword isnt the real 15th century

[terse bronze]

those are the only 2 possible helmets in the 15thc ofc no more no less

in those particular design and config too

[lyric garnet]

The 15th century germany where everyone speaks in funny faux old timey english

[terse bronze]

have fun reading old german

[lyric garnet]

hell no i can't even read modern german, i was mostly agreeing with Sam's comment there

[upper lintel]

i knoow

[lyric garnet]

also this first helmet is badass

it has a bit of a silly chin but besides that, jeez

[upper lintel]

aight lets just leave it here before i get hated even more

[lyric garnet]

🔥 🔥 🥺

[toxic breach]

Idk why but this helmet looks like a sperm

[lyric garnet]

i... don't see it lol

[toxic breach]

Hmmm yet I do

[rustic dune]

The armet with the soyboy chin
But i love it

[upper lintel]

True!!! also we should add the greathelm !!!

[toxic breach]

The great bascinet helmet? yes!

[lyric garnet]

isn't the greathelm a bit older than the period?

[rustic dune]

Bruv....

[upper lintel]

its an joke pal

[terse bronze]

i think he was jokin

[lyric garnet]

aah

[vocal vale]

eek

[rustic dune]

From you i expect anything

[upper lintel]

please i know there are more helmets,and i am not slow and dumb (atleast as much as you guys think) i just dont see what else they could add for helmets

thats all

and suddently i got marked as #1 dumbass ever

[toxic breach]

Well young man Uve been told what Could be added

[rustic dune]

[vocal vale]

bicoques and grand bascinets

more barbutes

more kettles

[upper lintel]

right 2 more types of helmets

[terse bronze]

More sallets, more armets

[upper lintel]

and rest are variations

that is what i meant

:p

[terse bronze]

Again, compared to what ?

[toxic breach]

Ok then what r u comparing the number of helmets 2

[terse bronze]

the previous century ? nowadays?

[toxic breach]

True

[upper lintel]

to star wasr

[pastel lodge]

one of my favs btw.... 1464-1466

[toxic breach]

This is a depiction of Salim al Bongo

[pastel lodge]

I do not know who that is unfortunately

[toxic breach]

Former Earl of Michigan

[vocal vale]

[upper lintel]

i dont understand guys 😭

[toxic breach]

Understand wat

[vocal vale]

these are all variations

[upper lintel]

(IM NOT SAYING I AM RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG IF SOMEONE STILL THINKS THAT)

[pastel lodge]

guapo

[vocal vale]

these are both armets, i think it is strange to call them the same kind of helmet considering the only similarity is the method of opening

[toxic breach]

Willie helmet....

[pastel lodge]

i am not sure what that uhh

[terse bronze]

gorget

[pastel lodge]

ok yeah

[vocal vale]

these are both barbutes but the amount they cover and the method of which they are constructed is so wildly different i think its silly to say the incorporation of both is narrower than the incorporation of two helmets of different opening methods

[terse bronze]

me neither it's weird but i think i've seen a couple similar ones here and there

[upper lintel]

thats what i meant at frist but this single image has somewhat lead me why i may be wrong

thanks for making me a smarter fella !!

[pastel lodge]

it jumpscared me

[terse bronze]

you either a smart fella or a fart smella

[vocal vale]

[upper lintel]

(not to you mr.saint george you mean bastard... you hurt my little weak soft heart....)

[rustic dune]

And ill do it again

[pastel lodge]

wars of the roses war hat..

[upper lintel]

you must get all the girls with your level of swag buddy

[pastel lodge]

so fire..

[rustic dune]

Pull up

[upper lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-sad-gif-14182281298586420232

[vocal vale]

!?

wacky helmet

[rustic dune]

At least im not the one that had to be educated by 5 guys for half an hour on helmets
Weak af ngl

[pastel lodge]

i love the war hat (this is one of the 'very few' that survived apparently)

[terse bronze]

some degree of larp but got that red guy is epic

[terse bronze]

It's from a german crucifixion scene that visor is present on a bicoque iicr

[upper lintel]

is that just this but decorated?

[terse bronze]

too lazy to mlook for it rn

[terse bronze]

no

[upper lintel]

then what? if i may ask

[terse bronze]

Sallet

[upper lintel]

very funky lookin

[upper lintel]

Wooowzers yours so tuff

can i be like you big guy?

i wanna learn this level of edge....

[vocal vale]

Cease your jibber-jabber

[upper lintel]

excuse me king...

[upper lintel]

carpet !!!

[vocal vale]

absolutely insane swag

[pastel lodge]

do u think the helmet is allantica too

like the arms

[terse bronze]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (falling)

[vocal vale]

seems pretty plausible imo

[terse bronze]

no and the arms aren't all'antica

[vocal vale]

yeah theys just gold

[pastel lodge]

oh really

wow!

so cool..

[terse bronze]

posting this again because it's so fucking cool

[pastel lodge]

drawing based on this i believe

[upper lintel]

what is all'antica ive heard it a few times but i really dont know what it means

and google fails to do its job as always

[terse bronze]

in-period fantasy style

how artists back then showed via styles of armor how antiquated and old a scene is

it can be total high fantasy, with or without "roman" looking elements or low fantasy with relatively practical stuff

[pastel lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j5JfagtT3c&t=2s is this the one where tobias capwell talks about all'antica?

[terse bronze]

i didn't want to post that video cuz I posted it a billion time here but yeah, best video ever..

[pastel lodge]

idk if this is total high fantasy but it feels like it

[pastel lodge]

ive never seen that kind of thing

[vocal vale]

in general all' or alla means "like" or "similar", "antica" being antique, and since they didnt have a great grasp on antique stuff they just made it wackily decorated and built, but in some cases also depicted helmets from ~30 or ~40 years ago (like depicting a hounskull for an "old" scene, but the art being made in like 1450)

alla tedesca is usually used to describe italian export armor that is meant to look german, cant think of another alla or all' example right now

[terse bronze]

alla francese

[rustic dune]

Scale armor?

[vocal vale]

Yeah !! Yeah !!

[terse bronze]

:3

[vocal vale]

https://tenor.com/view/big-shoe-lmfao-big-shoe-lmfao-gif-21655557

[rustic dune]

I never understood why the sabots where so big

[upper lintel]

Me when i like shoes that are big and i like big shoes that are big and very pointy look in big shoes

[pastel lodge]

this specific depiction of scale armor

[terse bronze]

Because of unarmored fashion, the longer the poulaine (shoes) were, the wealthier you'd be so like a lot of clothing fashion it translated to armor

They are detachable btw

[upper lintel]

I dont think they were usually this big

Someone was just gifted...

[vocal vale]

are they useful for kicking your horse into gear? like reverse spurs? or are they just to look cool on horseback

[toxic breach]

Is this a Glorpusian style of armor

[rustic dune]

Ohh so its like the cock thing of landsknecht

[terse bronze]

Not that i'm aware of, also pretty sure they weren't really used into battle

[upper lintel]

I thought that too

[terse bronze]

codpiece, not a landsknecht specific thing, but essentially yes

[upper lintel]

I think we should have more clothes

[vocal vale]

to look cool on the way there

[vocal vale]

giornea would be cool

more patterns too

[terse bronze]

I mean sure why not lol

[vocal vale]

for pant and stuf

also chaperons

[upper lintel]

I was about to write that

[rustic dune]

Tru

[upper lintel]

Also that jouse.... Thing i forgot the name

[rustic dune]

My guy is wearing fur

[vocal vale]

probably not jazerant huh

[vocal vale]

is all’antica

[rustic dune]

That helm too?

[vocal vale]

the pointy one?

[rustic dune]

The spiky one i mean

[vocal vale]

yeah that’s too ornate to function very well

[upper lintel]

Jouselightsaber jousegreathelm jousearmourwithwings

[rustic dune]

Damn
It looked realistic ngl

[vocal vale]

what

[upper lintel]

Pointless unfunny joke

[vocal vale]

very long armets like that show up in the spiezer kronik

also uhhh

in a fresco

[upper lintel]

This fella is wearing it

The red and white thingy

[vocal vale]

houppelande

[upper lintel]

Right...

[vocal vale]

i'd wager it's an artistic liberty in these cases

[vocal vale]

in this one it's kind of likely to be elongated for the sake of the crowns sitting atop it

[vocal vale]

yurp

[rustic dune]

Oh damn ok
Where can i find it?

[vocal vale]

i might have it on hand

[upper lintel]

Dude educate yourself, it was an another race that went extinct in 18 century they had very big heads so its logical they used very big helmets 😒😒

[vocal vale]

https://www.e-codices.unifr.ch/en/list/one/bbb/Mss-hh-I0016

@rustic dune

[rustic dune]

Thank you

[rustic dune]

Could've swear it was some swiss stuff

[vocal vale]

im pretty sure the manuscript is meant to cover a large historical period so some wacky things like the elongated helmets might be intentionally fantastical

but a lot of the arms and armor are super grounded

[rustic dune]

I saw this kind of pointy helmet in other mod from total war attila and the swiss faction had it

[rustic dune]

Ill give it a look with a grain of salt then

[turbid shadow]

This is just really silly, there’s so much variation between germany french, English, and much more that Half sword is going to replicate in amazing quality. and customization is gonna be a thing eventually lol, its gonna be really depthy.

[vocal vale]

this might be my favorite manuscript actually, holy cow the illustrations are nice

going through the spiezer chronik instead of my homework

[rustic dune]

Jesus fuc you are annoying

[vocal vale]

calm yourself

[rustic dune]

Yeah the helmets in this one are goofy now i see it

[vocal vale]

not too far off from reality

but definitely exaggerated

[upper lintel]

That dude in the middle forgot to get dressed

[vocal vale]

repro of a similar kinda helmet

[rustic dune]

Im sorry but i must say it looks like a teletubbie

The face plate is interesting ngl

[vocal vale]

i love it

[vocal vale]

i just realized the manuscript shows a lot of rain guards too

[rustic dune]

Rain guards??

[vocal vale]

the bit of leather between the grip and the scabbard

prevents rain and gunk from seeping into the scabbard and dirtying the sword

[upper lintel]

What's the point of that pommel?

[rustic dune]

Well thats ingenious

[vocal vale]

hitting people with it

sword doubles as a mace if you hold it by the blade, then

[rustic dune]

To bonk the enemy

[vocal vale]

note the guard looking spiky, too

basically turns the sword into like a poleaxe with those spikes

called a "teutonic estoc", usually

they show up in fiore di battaglia and a few early 16th century fighting manuals iirc

[upper lintel]

I meant

[vocal vale]

they look so rad

[upper lintel]

Why does it have spikes

[vocal vale]

..to hit people

[vocal vale]

rondel in the middle is for half-swording by the way

[upper lintel]

I mean .. dumb question

[rustic dune]

My guy if its not to much can u send me in private some manuscripts ??

[upper lintel]

I know about its use i just never seen an pommel with spike .:o

[vocal vale]

yeah sure

[terse bronze]

never heard being called like that before

[vocal vale]

that's the only thing i've heard it called

[vocal vale]

i just saw it called a "kampfschwert" upon looking it up

[vocal vale]

Updates !?!?

[rustic dune]

That cheap???? I gotta see that

[vocal vale]

methinks he means a civil kit

those are a bit cheaper

[rustic dune]

Aaaaa :<

[tired pasture]

belt and purse are coming in around sept. 15th

the actual clothes come in by abt sept 20th

[vocal vale]

radd

where'd you order from

[tired pasture]

the belts from lorifactor

all the accessory stuff

[vocal vale]

man every historical shop that has the heat has a website made in like 1998

whabout the clothe

[toxic breach]

I sewed the clothe

For user Pepper

[white fulcrum]

I LOVE SIR MARK CAPLE RAHHHHH

his fit is godly

[civic glade]

The lateral spikes seem like kind of a bad idea to me. The ones parallel to the guard for sure useful, but the ones on the faces of the coin, so to speak, im not sure sure about. Seems like theyd get in the way a lot when you carry it, and hitting someone on the axis of the flat of the blade seems like it wouldnt transfer energy well, and perhaps risk overstressing the blade causing a kink or a break

[terse bronze]

They're dueling weapons exclusively

[latent drift]

sorry to bother but what is the source of your pfp?

[white fulcrum]

http://apps.abshier.us

[latent drift]

thank you very much

[vocal vale]

the straight man's picrew

holy cannoli

[white fulcrum]

that's a godly description lmfao

[fleet junco]

i can make my profile picture blind

awesome

[civic glade]

Ahh, that makes sense then

[fleet junco]

how do i change out helmets

oh its hair

[civic glade]

I’d love it if you sent me some too 🙂

[civic glade]

What’s the name of this type of polearm?

[fleet junco]

Spetum

[terse bronze]

Ghiavarina

[toxic breach]

Glorpus

[sullen charm]

this is so sick

[sudden cedar]

Would be very awesome to see this weapon in the game https://youtu.be/3X-hLXBLu8c?si=esNSOS0yqvfndOFL

[tired pasture]

we already have bills

[sudden cedar]

Yea but not with a spear head

and tiny spikes

[tired pasture]

we do lmao

we dont have the lugs but we have everything else

[sudden cedar]

I have not got it when selecting then lol

This one right is there more than that?

[kind bronze]

im actually begging for a claymore to be added

[terse bronze]

actually the term claymores most likely refers to the basket hilt broadswords ! 🤓

[kind bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/pon-gif-15097379091171620462

[terse bronze]

Also too late for the game

[kind bronze]

oh damn

[tired pasture]

cledmore

[terse bronze]

however check those danish greatswords

I think they're right into the game timeframe too

[kind bronze]

true

damn theyre cool

[vocal vale]

@lyric garnet

[terse bronze]

colossus

[lyric garnet]

amazing

sensational, even

[lyric garnet]

also this is badass

[vocal vale]

whoa

too late for game

[sullen charm]

at least previous one is good?

[vocal vale]

as far as i can tell yeah

[terse bronze]

It's buhurt so no

[terse bronze]

Meant to reply to this mssg

[feral bear]

That’s a claidheamh dà làimh

[feral bear]

claidheamh dà làimh where around in the 15th century

[toxic breach]

Wrong, it's actually a claymore da willie

[feral bear]

I expected as much

[toxic breach]

Hmmm wrongful

[void ether]

Throughout heaven and earth, I alone follow protocol 3.

[vocal vale]

heck yeah

[terse bronze]

those designs were 16thc

[feral bear]

They could use an earlier design

[terse bronze]

Yeah

but they wouldnt really be "greatsword" sized

[feral bear]

Wdym

[terse bronze]

they wouldn't be huge

that remind me of cool irish swords

[feral bear]

The Irish long swords are pretty cool

[terse bronze]

might be scottish actually maybe i'm an idiot...

[toxic breach]

Wrong

[terse bronze]

can you stop ?

[toxic breach]

Stop what small boy?

[terse bronze]

Being annoying

[toxic breach]

Hmmm how am I annoying

[terse bronze]

When ppl post stuff you always reply with "fake" "wrong" ect

It's tiresome

[toxic breach]

Hmmm why is it tiresome

[toxic breach]

Correct you should take this advice

[hallow fiber]

Every once in a while the troll in him takes over.

[obsidian sun]

when did sliding rivets become a thing

[minor comet]

what would be the historical explanation of this happening

[terse bronze]

bacon grease

[toxic breach]

Glorpus liquid

[rocky sand]

That appears less on higher tier armour which is a fun detail

[civic glade]

They had glue, but i dont think you oughta glue the straps on

Traditional glue is made from boiling tendons

And skin i think

You can also use pitch or resin

[subtle bone]

Not sure if this channel is already well known among the community, but wanted to share anyway. Really amazing shots of saber battles (I know it's the wrong time period), but I've been nerding out trying to incorporate it into saber / short sword duels in the game haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIcwlF_4FYM

My favorite part: "Perish, bastard!" haha.

[upper thistle]

dude i hope the next updates bring saber stances like this

[sharp breach]

Time to draw something later

[feral bear]

I love a nice Salet and Bevor combo

[minor comet]

So the black and red stuff could be glue residue but what about the green thing

To me it looks like rust or something corrosive on the metal and oxidation like copper on the leather

[terse bronze]

it would be weird to glue it like that

in particular leather over metal

[civic glade]

Dq is the goat man

[civic glade]

It does look like copper corrosion, could be they pulled the wrong mat for that texture

I imagine whatever library they’re getting their trust mat from also has a copper rust

[terse bronze]

(lance hit from horseback during a jousting tourney)

[vocal vale]

they were at least in use by like the early 1400s i believe

gothic plackarts utilized them

[mental geode]

wrong

[vocal vale]

[fossil comet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/h25UYSMdH9I?si=1n6-7htJLPOin7a6

[void stream]

ay chat this sallet with goofy face fits in game period? (image kinda small)

[tired pasture]

no this doesn’t fit the time frame

[void stream]

why do you like to spoil other people's fun with such crude answers?

you make me sad

[tired pasture]

you asked a question and i answered

[void stream]

but you answer in a way that makes me sad

[tired pasture]

not my fault you can’t grow a pair

[rustic dune]

Wierd ahh pole arm he got there

[toxic breach]

Not Halfsword related, but does anyone here have a decent grasp on how noble tits worked and their implications. Specifically ecclestical ones like prince-bishop or prince-abbot

[terse bronze]

noble tits?

[toxic breach]

Bro autocorrect

Titles😭😭

[tired pasture]

me

[tired pasture]

it’s just a glaive

[toxic breach]

Okay young man I have dmed you in regards to ths

[rustic dune]

Sus name

[tired pasture]

whatever you say

[vocal vale]

these were first quarter of the 16th century i think

[vocal vale]

I say, in reply to this

[tired pasture]

yes ur right

[acoustic jay]

https://youtu.be/1duklR0qrj8?si=aUg8nXOJAuStM8wt. For those interested or might not be able to hear, the manual they’re taking from is Joux De La Hash.

[terse bronze]

Jeu de la hache*

"joux de la hash" ... 😭

https://youtu.be/r3sCcRk5Qs4?si=2zEgaydrx47zi6iI here a video that go more in depth on the echanges of the manuscripts

It's in french but whatever it's relatively easy to navigate anyway

[acoustic jay]

Don’t mock the spelling I have never studied the manuscript, I only know of it because I volunteer at the museum the video I posted was recorded.

[terse bronze]

I just think it's funny

[novel inlet]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5WHW_2A5Mn4

[vocal vale]

waiting for the day when his gauntlet coming off results in a broken hand or a major bruise

[split lance]

did i cook?

[edgy prawn]

Ah

👍

[rocky sand]

https://www.heritagedaily.com/2024/08/17th-century-samurai-sword-discovered-in-berlin-excavation/153289 you fella may find this interesting. After HS tho

[lost zealot]

thats pretty cool

[granite wigeon]

I spotted this on a wall in south west germany, we can see some armor in it

[rocky sand]

Big helmet

[lost zealot]

what type of armor set is this ? it has a cool owl face sallet tho

[terse bronze]

"Kunst Schott von Hellingen"

but out of the game timeframe

[terse bronze]

it's based on his harness but it was made in Nuremberg in the early 1500

[hallow fiber]

Looks 19th-20th century to me.

[granite wigeon]

Yeh it's in a 16th century city but it was painted in 1900's but it depicts some cool helmets

[hallow fiber]

That a 17th century katana was brought to Germany in the second half of the 19th century is by no mean incredible actually.
France had during the 17th century a full Japanese samurai armor in its royal collections it was even painted on the ceiling of the hall of mirrors in Versailles.

[terse bronze]

We still have them both (they were gifted by japan iicr)

they're in the Musée de l'Armée

not the royal collections

I think we have a couple more

[toxic breach]

You know what Im going to say

[hallow fiber]

I don’t want to be rude, but you should read that sentence think about it and correct it.

[terse bronze]

I'm french btw

it's in the Musée de l'armée, at the Invalides

[toxic breach]

Yes hence he is coldblooded

[hallow fiber]

Then please do what I ask, I think you can correct yourself without me having to point out the obvious.

[terse bronze]

Been there but unfortunately you can't take pictures of those japanese armors anymore

[terse bronze]

??

Took this pic at the Louvre, but I think it doesn't fit the period i'll need to check

Fuck it's out of the timeframe.. cool plate voiders tho

https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/4682352770

[hallow fiber]

Alright let me point out the obvious then…. There is no such thing as the “royal collections” anymore, each royal administration was renamed the garde meuble de la couronne was renamed garde meuble National , now it is called Mobilier national(after changing name during each regime the empire the restauration and so on).

However when they were painted on that ceiling they were in fact part of the royal collections under the numbers 337 and 379 of the weapons and armors chapter of he general inventory of the garde meuble de la couronne.

[terse bronze]

Ok ?

[hallow fiber]

Now it is in the collections of the Musée de l’armée.

[terse bronze]

Literally my point

I'm saying that it is in the Musée de l'Armée

many people here might not know about the whole royal collection shit

(crazy ik)

[hallow fiber]

The way you phrased it was somehow very odd “not the royal collections” it’s a bit like saying X buildings is not in Stalingrad it is in Volgograd.

[terse bronze]

So if ppl want to learn more about them, they need to have the correct museum

anyway none of this is relevant to the channel anyway

[hallow fiber]

Indeed.

[terse bronze]

Probably posted these already but whatever

[real geyser]

Yes.

[real geyser]

Stein am Rhein
Switzerland (Schaffhausen)

[civic glade]

High power autism blast

[terse bronze]

magnificent pollaxe, based on Hans Talhoffer’s drawings in the Copenhagen codex, is assembled. Manufactured by Ulrich Langbehn

[vocal vale]

you know you're getting that good good if the guy's name is Ulrich

[lost zealot]

yeah i know

[humble pagoda]

Its so cool seeing modern technology used to make medieval stuff in this way

Perfect craftmanship

[vague juniper]

add this to the game

[wintry fog]

Might be a triggering topic for you guys, but any chance katanas were in europe during the 1400s?

[robust tendon]

15th century plate voider repro.
"Testing compression armpit on a milanese armor (model of Galeazzo d'Arco).
Several sources shows this kind of protection through XVth century. I could test it since several month and here are my observations :

For what purpose in the end ? According to sources, it is much a tournament equipment than a war gear (but the hypothesis is not excluded). The use on foot or on horse is questionable. I can manipulate a lance but it's a bit less easy than without any protection.
On a horse it could be use to gain a small additional chance to deflect a spear thrust from the small gapes, more than a mail voider. But all of this is theory and disccussions with jousters leads me to think that it was more common for a foot soldier.
No grip, no pinch or disagrement, I can bend to scratch my nose and even drink and eat properly.
The rivet could suffer from many and heavy uses. That's could mean a regular care or even change for some part.
Otherwise, it's a very interesting experiment here ! I'm glad to humbly present it to you and I will continue to test it.

The armor and device was made by Georges Jolliot !
Mail bolero made by Ironskin !"

[robust tendon]

Nope, basically zero chance.

[wintry fog]

Thought so, earliest europe contact with the japanese was like around 1600s right?

[robust tendon]

I'm not sure Europeans even visited japan in the 15th century at all, i think they first visited in the 16th century

Nope, 1500s iirc

[wintry fog]

oo

Welp aight thanks for clarifying

[robust tendon]

by then I guess they could have brought some back, but certainly not to use in battle

[wintry fog]

Yeah

most likely collections

souvenirs

Would be a waste to use them in a land where no one knew how to treat/maintain such a weapon lmao

[robust tendon]

more so that warfare is a hell of a lot different in europe

katanas are made in the expectation that you don't find people in complete plate harness

ofc the Japanese still had good armor, even plate armor when the Europeans visited, but it was far different and a lot easier to bypass with a sword from my understanding

[wintry fog]

oh thats true

[toxic breach]

Sigmas, are there any historical evidences of couters having arming points laces

[granite wigeon]

Looks like Gaudefroy De Montmiraillard in the movie "Les Visiteurs" 🤣

[vocal vale]

the only time i've seen laces on couters is for decorative purposes

let me try and find an image

[toxic breach]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-tweak-tweaker-tweaking-freak-out-gif-16108345590627731463

[vocal vale]

at least i believe they're decorative

any time i have seen them they have been connected to nothing

[toxic breach]

Well

[vocal vale]

might be a method of wearing them other than using a staple or rivets though

[toxic breach]

If it's a massive couter I don't think some laces will support it, surely they mustve relied on straps

Hmm well Sam what if I told you i'm inside your house

[vocal vale]

well a lot of the major couters that were added over the arm harness were "stapled" on

[toxic breach]

True

[vocal vale]

little tiny nail thing holds the entire thing on

[toxic breach]

I need this

well thankfully i didnt draw laces on my feller's couters!

[vocal vale]

you can... but decoratively..

[vocal vale]

@toxic breach that guy's got laces on em

[turbid shadow]

can't live with the fact that this guy may not be on the game

[vocal vale]

i'd weep

[turbid shadow]

imo I feel like 1430-1480 is better than 1450-1480

since we'd get more kastenbrust stuff and a few other stuff

[toxic breach]

true

[terse bronze]

Wdym modern tech

[vocal vale]

i think he thinks the assembly system is a modern invention

which honestly i dont blame him for it's pretty slick

[proven siren]

are there samuri in the game?

[turbid shadow]

and there won't be

[terse bronze]

I think the screw assembly is from period sources

[vocal vale]

yeah i figured

[civic glade]

Imagine what a pain it would be to cut a screw without a lathe

[terse bronze]

What's a lathe

[civic glade]

a lathe is a machine that is used to make machine parts, such as screws, by holding a dowel in a spindle which is spun, and using a tool which is mechanically interfaced with the spindle in order to cut the dowel at a regular rate

[terse bronze]

Oh ok

[civic glade]

woodworking lathes are known from at least the early modern period, a foot powered design usually called a pole lathe

but its unclear how much older a lathe might be, because they are typically constructed from organic materials that are lost with time, and wouldve always been rare and precious tools

many pieces of material culture seem to have been worked by lathes but what form those lathes took, if indeed they were really lathes is also unclear

that being said you need a much more secure and potent machine in order to turn metal, because its obviously so much harder than wood

the Loffelholtz codex (1505) depicts on page 9 a tap, which is used for cutting the internal threads of a screw-hole, and i suppose its possible that a tap could be devised from the hardest steel to cut the internal threads of a metal object

on the whole though i can only imagine its a huge fucking pain in the ass

i would imagine the majority of poleaxe heads are probably fixed in much simpler ways

[vocal vale]

this is not a "reference"

cuirass and pauldrons are ahistorical

[terse bronze]

tbh everything quite isn't historical

with vague inspirations from 16thc

so not a reference for the game either way

[robust tendon]

Mods, draw and quarter him

[civic glade]

Cool all antiqua helm

Too late tho

[tired pasture]

larp

[fleet junco]

shoutout crecy

[terse bronze]

why yo reposting it

it's dope tho

[fleet junco]

is this real

Oh i didnt know crecy posted it here btw

[vocal vale]

yeah

typical of italian pauldrons

[terse bronze]

yes?

[vocal vale]

dubbed "angel wings"

[rocky sand]

Is this real

[lone topaz]

god i hope so

[fleet junco]

Nope sorry!

it would be cool if we had cool hand cannons

[rocky sand]

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/gonne-mace-combination.80608/ It seems like it might be

[terse bronze]

Yes it's real but 16thc

[minor comet]

holy shit thats cool

[terse bronze]

wait nvm mantic posted a link

look up for holy water sprinkler as weapons

they often have guns

[rocky sand]

i keep getting centuries messed up. i thought it could be in game until i read again

[terse bronze]

you just have to substract 1 to the century

13th century = 12 = 1200s

[rocky sand]

yeah i know i just forget when im excited about a possible cool weapon

[fleet junco]

he is missing an eye

[vocal vale]

he got browned upon

[granite wigeon]

Guys, where did you start to learn all those things on armor? (I want to know more about them)

[ancient pivot]

Are those hinged tassets in the first image?

[robust tendon]

there are a few books out there, but in my case I mostly just picked up information from what more knowledgeable people tell me (and combing through iconography)

Armies of Feudal Europe in particular is great for earlier medieval period, it's by Ian Heath who if i remember correctly ran a youtube channel that has great information. Knyght Errant i think he went by on yt iirc

the book covers 1066-1300

[minor comet]

is this armor historically accurate for the very late 700s england

[robust tendon]

No

[hallow fiber]

The helmets should be looking like this instead :

[vocal vale]

ask questions, be in historical circles

find specific things you want to figure out and research or ask about them

i can spot you a bunch of manuscripts and papers if you want

[fossil gorge]

idk this is better

more cheeks protection

[terse bronze]

bad repro alert

[robust tendon]

it ain't the worst, especially considering how bad greathelm repros can get

[terse bronze]

better than what

[robust tendon]

i assume this

which is funny because greathelms are like 500 years later

[terse bronze]

they're not even close to each others in term of use and period why even compare the 2

[robust tendon]

good question

[terse bronze]

also "more cheek protection" but less visibility, breathability, hearing and ventilation

[fossil gorge]

nah you can see good

[terse bronze]

makes you wonder why greathelms were ditched once a man-at-arms fought on foot instead of mounted

[fossil gorge]

trust me its like a bucket with holes

[terse bronze]

you're not him

[fossil gorge]

i know

but i have a bucket

with knife holes

[terse bronze]

You can't tell me a greathelm doesn't have less visibility than an open faced helmet

[robust tendon]

i always thought it was strange how greathelms were ditched. they don't seem that much worse than say a great bascinet which ofc were popular amongst dismounted men at arms (in england anyway)

is it really that much worse? or is the protection negligible, i mean open face is still excellent so i could see it

[terse bronze]

you can raise the visor on GB and they're attached to your cuirass, they don't just stand on the top of your head for the most part

[robust tendon]

oh, yeah that makes a lot of sense

[terse bronze]

also you could have a bretache with your bascinet under a greathelm

so when you take it off you'll still have some degree of facial protection

[vocal vale]

silly billy

[tired pasture]

👎

[vocal vale]

[fleet junco]

That one awesome

[vocal vale]

everywhere i look i see his face

@sullen charm

[sullen charm]

what

[vocal vale]

fake vuhbo fan

[sullen charm]

my pookie is back though

[fickle bane]

What set of armor is this?

[hallow fiber]

I’d like to have a bit more infos on those two.

Where are they taken from?!

[hallow fiber]

Perhaps one of the many triptych depicting the adoration of the Magi. Which would explain the presence of a black character wearing some All’Antica attire.

[fleet junco]

1480

[granite wigeon]

Thanks for the answer! 🙂

[vocal vale]

feel free to ask stuff here !!

[granite wigeon]

Thanks! I will

[terse bronze]

first https://www.flickr.com/photos/roelipilami/14758561329

second is by Konrad Witz - Mid 1440s

[hallow fiber]

Thank you 🙂

[bright token]

Beautiful sallet forged by Alexey Moskalenko

[terse bronze]

so hot

[toxic breach]

Hello young men . Were spurs worn on bare poulaines/

@terse bronze Saar you are most knowledgeable on this hence i require your assistance!

[terse bronze]

yes

as well as boots ect

[toxic breach]

Ok what was the mechanism with which the spurs were secured onto poulaine

[terse bronze]

spurs can just be attached around anything since they have leather bands

[toxic breach]

Ok that slays

[terse bronze]

(purposely not talking about some 16thc spurs that were built-in the sabatons cuz who cares)

high riding boots are cooler

[tired pasture]

kastenshit

[terse bronze]

bro???

[vocal mortar]

kastenshit

[tired pasture]

im joking lauf kastenbrusts

[gloomy kettle]

nowhere close

[granite wigeon]

New half sword arena? 🤣

[lost zealot]

blackened gothic armor

based from St.florian statue

it looks cool

[obtuse roost]

half sword reference found in edinburgh

[robust tendon]

cool stuff, but out of period for HS

looks like 17th century ish

[wispy jungle]

Why he looks pregnant

I thought Kastenburst should be a little on the chest area not on the stomach

[upper lintel]

Yeah its a bit saggy

thats why its so cool

not sure if its accurate tho,i just like to send rs sometimes

[wispy jungle]

The helmet is cool though

[robust tendon]

it looks accurate to me

nothing really wrong with it

[upper lintel]

i mean it looked accurate too but everyone started hating on it,so i assumed i was wrong (ig?)

[upper lintel]

what do yall think about dis

[lone topaz]

pretty swag

[terse bronze]

looks nice but not historically accurate

[fleet junco]

All enjoying themselves

[upper lintel]

I thought painted helmets were accurate?

[fleet junco]

He not talking about you

Oh nvm

For some reason it teleported me to the gothic set

[terse bronze]

There's barely if any sources for painted sallets in the 15thc

the only couple we have are from the early 16thc and the style of painting is very different

Painted sallets in the 15thc is a reenactorism

[fleet junco]

Can we have painted stuff

[terse bronze]

It's even worse when you notice the little holes alongside that sallet rim, made to attach a textile cover

just like black sallets ect that appear painted today but originally would have been covered in textile

[upper lintel]

Mkaay

[tired pasture]

most look like theyre covered

[upper lintel]

is that an hat or what

[white fulcrum]

yes

[upper lintel]

What do you guys think about this?

[terse bronze]

prolly a fake

[fleet junco]

Its not real

[hallow fiber]

Maybe a genuine piece that was significantly altered centuries later.

[tired pasture]

most of the swiss seem to be wearing berets

[upper lintel]

it wasnt meant to be an serious question...

[fleet junco]

i think its #silly

[upper lintel]

exactly 😝

[humble monolith]

I like this

I don't know about practicality just liked its look

[lost zealot]

i think this is that one "shame masks/bascinet" that used for ladies whom gossips too much

[sullen charm]

too much honor

😅

[vocal vale]

too late for the game

[humble monolith]

bro im not sending it for the game i dont care about it

[turbid shadow]

then you are missing the whole point of this channel