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[upper lintel]

Its fine dude

while he was indeed acting chilidsh,no harm done

[terse bronze]

He's also just generally annoying and obnoxious in other servers

[white fulcrum]

real asf

[clever bramble]

Man I missed it, normally people stay civil in here, if there is ever an issue feel free to ping me!

[flat warren]

why did i get hit in the crossfire ☹️

[short ice]

que? I didn't mute you. want to continue this in #general-catfish-🐱🐟 , or feel free to DM me if you'd like.

Not sure what you're talking about

[real chasm]

so im making a vid

it got swearing thoo

[flat warren]

it was a joke haha, since i’m a roblox developer

[humble pagoda]

English kettle of some sort

[terse bronze]

Not english

it's italian and was found in rhodes iicr

[short ice]

ohh haha, my apologies 😅

oopsies

[short ice]

if it's Italian then I think it's even more likely for Ivan to take a good look at it 🤔

[terse bronze]

it's a really interesting piece

[torpid urchin]

why aren't you a mod anymore

[white fulcrum]

too many sillies in this server...

could drive anyone insane

[tired pasture]

sigh

who keeps lying to these people

[terse bronze]

the modern mind when you tell them that even peasants would have "working clothes" and "normal clothes" just like today

[tired pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/peasants-monty-python-gif-24070330

[short ice]

peasants when they got the egg-yolk + rust shaving pigment drip

(that guy is gonna be mind blown when he finds out how they made paint and shit back then.)

[tired pasture]

he was waffling abt inherented stuff too

[stuck pelican]

[stuck pelican]

Weren’t a big part of dyes shit that you can find in the wild easily, from flowers to weird ass plants

[hallow fiber]

How does the original image you are commenting look like?

[white fulcrum]

where

gon kill em

[hallow fiber]

I think it is in a way half true, medieval peasants did own dyed clothes, but the color quality was certainly lesser compared to those of the upper echelons of society.
The color they used would have been less resistant. In the tres riches heures du duc de Berry which depicts more or less même vers of all the echelons of society in relatively naturalistic way, we see grey, pink and pale blue far more frequently amongst the peasantry, those color are probably faded red and faded blue respectively.

[stuck pelican]

Weren’t done colors not allowed for peasnts

[short ice]

Plants, flowers, clay, earth, rust, egg yolks, tumeric, etc

[stuck pelican]

Mmmm clay

Yummy

[obsidian sun]

Clay stains clothes easily tbh

[hallow fiber]

I think clays were used to create colors for paintings(brownish red for instance), not to dye clothes.

[robust tendon]

still a pretty stark contrast from the common grey/brown colorless peasants

Of course it would be of lower quality and less varied

but still colorful

[robust tendon]

sumptuary laws yes

but that is 1. a bit of a late period thing, i think the earliest example is like 1450 ish but i barely recall, so take that as you will 2. Only for certain areas, one being england iirc 3. most people won’t be able to acquire the things prohibited anyways

it’s mostly really high class shit like pearls and purple dye

[stark haven]

from where do yall get such cool armours?

[gloomy bear]

just commission your personal smith simple as

[tired pasture]

though it tends to be expensive unfortunately

[vocal vale]

what's up with that front buckled cuirass?

is that for like an upper middle class man at arms that cant afford to have someone help him?

[robust tendon]

Maybe not afford per se, but just because it’s easier to put on quickly

[vocal vale]

additional question: why does the positioning of the buckles matter? why didnt everyone have a front buckled breastplate if its more convenient to do and undo? is it safer to have the stuff away from where you're getting hit?

[robust tendon]

Yeah

I think cutting the straps was a thing

[vocal vale]

cool, i figured it was but i thought you'd have to get really unlucky

[robust tendon]

they probably did it to charles the bold

Cut his sallet straps off, then hit him with a halberd

[vocal vale]

rad

i wonder how hard you have to hit to cut a strap like that

[robust tendon]

he was obviously on the ground beforehand though

[robust tendon]

a good chop with a halberd might be able to do it

But ofc it’s only one and that won’t entirely compromise your armor

[robust tendon]

this was a thing for the rich even, i.e certain armor designs that are meant for people who can’t afford or don’t have the time to arm themselves in full harness

[vocal vale]

i wonder if it would be viable to cut the strap on a vambrace or something to get in a shot on the wrist

but you'd probably just go for the bicep or something instead

cool to think about

[robust tendon]

i mean it’d hurt to be cut there but if you want someone dead then probably better off sawing his bevor straps off

[vocal vale]

oooo

devious

[robust tendon]

I don’t imagine it was very common though, i mean there were easier ways

And for the heavily armored 9/10 they’re worth more alive than dead

the only reason charles the bold got killed was because the people who did it fucking hated him

[vocal vale]

stuff like this is so interesting

fun chat, mr crecy

god bless

[short ice]

This Hounskull Bascinet happens to fit the time period of half sword, and is a gorgeous piece. I think Ivan and you folks would really enjoy this one.

"These pieces of head armour show the high level of skill achieved by late 14th century blacksmiths, when full-plated white body armour was in its infancy. Bascinets represented a major step forward in technique. The timbre, or helmet skull, had an arched shape and was made from a single sheet of metal. Like the sharp-tipped muzzle, it helped protect the knight from blows. The pivoting visor could be lifted so that he could get some fresh air and widen his field of vision in an instant. The ventilation holes were only made on the right-hand side, the side less exposed to attack."
The bascinet was a form of head protection used in Europe between 1370 and 1430. It can be recognised by its "muzzle", which protected the face with a sharp tip. This unusual profile led 19th century French archaeologists to call it a "bec de passereau" (passerine beak) bascinet. Other terms were used abroad. In England, it was known as the "pig-faced bascinet" or the 'hounskull bascinet", while the Germans opted for the term "Hundsgugel" (dog's head bascinet).

https://www.musee-armee.fr/en/collections/museum-treasures/hounskull-bascinet.html

[tired pasture]

yeah if you put it in the form of a great bascinet

it would be a really stark contrast to what we have ingame

[hallow fiber]

Does it? Their popularity faded right at the time interval for the game setting starts.

[short ice]

the game takes place just around 1430~ ish, when this museum cites it stopped being used

so it lines up just around the time, and the devs have mentioned they are willing to flex around 5~ years ish when It comes to the setting

So it really comes to Ivans opinion. I really just thought it was a nice hounskull that you folks would like!

[hallow fiber]

I mean if you really like that bascinet, there others quite similar looking that fit the time period of the game better like this one :

[tired pasture]

1430 - 1480

goes up to right abt the end of the middle ages

[hallow fiber]

The thing is if you start including those you might as well cover the whole 15th century.

Imagining combatant from the very beginning of the time bracket fighting with some from the very end, will be quite anachronistic, even more so when we go even before the 1430s

[short ice]

...no, they may as well not. the devs have specifically said they they would be willing to lean around 5 years out of 1430-1480. that doesn't mean 1400-1499.

that is oxymoronic. I shared this hounskull because it was seen up until 1430, when the game is set.

and there are people that may find that interesting

[hallow fiber]

But in practice it is absolutely equivalent, because what faded in popularity around that time is essentially the equipment from the very late 14th early 15th

[terse bronze]

I just think the game could see future/past expansions later on

like how now it's 1430-80
then first expansion : 1420-1490
second : 1400-1500
and so on

food for thoughts...

[hallow fiber]

At the end of the day I am not against as long as I never see combatants from the first quarter of the 15th century fighting with combatants from the 3rd/4th quarters.

[short ice]

i mean there is potential for expansion in the future, espesially now that we have partenered with Game Seer, there may even be potential for other cultures and countries in future expansions when the game is fully finished, but there's certainly no guarentees.

[civic glade]

I only have experience with hema, which is limited in several ways, but based on that i would say its a very far fetched idea. A fight is a very chaotic and fast paced thing, you really don’t have the time to make such a tight shot. Youre much more easily going to make a thrust in the half sword against the pits, neck, or elbows, and this would be far more likely to wound directly and grievously rather than to cut straps and then give less dangerous wound

[hoary escarp]

im in love with this helmet, my most favorite
i hope it makes into half-sword

[civic glade]

U should send him this article

https://rosaliegilbert.com/dyesandcolours.html

Note how many of these things, such as madder, woad, chamomile, marigold, bark, walnut, theyre easily produced by even the most dirty of dirt farmers

Madder is said to be expensive but its also something you can just grow in your garden, it all depends on local scarcities

[stuck pelican]

Pins 💔

[robust tendon]

1430 is really pushing it for this style

I think it wouldn't work for mid-late 15th century like what the game is going for

I haven't seen any 1430 manuscripts that depict this design, I really think the museum is just off with the 1430 endpoint

[vocal vale]

1415 is the latest hounskull i've seen and the manuscript is depicting the mega-past so it might have just been there to show that it's old

[void stream]

So are bascinet in half sword is real?

[vocal vale]

according to that one museum

i would say hounskull armets and hounskull gb's are the best we got

and both of them are cooler imo

[void stream]

Bascinet are like my Top 1 favorite helmet

and the 2 is frogmounth helmet

[vocal vale]

feast your eyes

basically a grand bascinet but it looks 10x more rad and opens cooler

[void stream]

Why you would do this to me?

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[vocal vale]

proble m ?

[void stream]

yea a lot

[vocal vale]

why

[void stream]

I don't like armets that much

[vocal vale]

why not

[void stream]

Design

[vocal vale]

but hounskull

[void stream]

Hounskull is cool because if you lose and you're missing a sword, mace or whatever, you can use the snout of your visor to hit your opponent in the eye.

[vocal vale]

but also your opponent can grab you by the snout

though that does give me a good idea for a scene in a book or movie or something where a guy in a bascinet is restrained and then breaks free and fuckin gouges a dude's eye out with the snout of his visor

[void stream]

bro look this armet

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[vocal vale]

well yeah that's not the same kinda one i sent you tho . . . .

[short ice]

[short ice]

boo womp

that's why I sent it here, for y'all to pick apart, and for Ivan to look at possibly

I figured if anyone would know it would probably be him

[vocal vale]

i would love them in game too but i just think it'd open up a little too large of a threshold for how old or how new things can or should be

grand bascinets arent THAT different. .. .

[void stream]

but it's an armet

[vocal vale]

not all armets look the same

[void stream]

I know that

but some armets got goofy design like that i send

[vocal vale]

True , ..

[void stream]

like this

[vocal vale]

some bascinets got this goofy design too though

[vocal vale]

YOU WATCH YOUR MOUTH. THAT ONE GOES HARD.

[void stream]

must be a alien

[vocal vale]

i painted my fencing mask to look like that armet, bro..

[void stream]

sorry don't ban me 😥

https://tenor.com/view/please-dont-ban-me-dont-ban-me-ban-me-please-begging-gif-7506648978205543272

Alright this one i agree it's goofy as fuck

[upper lintel]

The goofy ones are the best

[fleet junco]

why is it broken and cracked

[void stream]

and how i am suppost to know?

[fleet junco]

it looks like you have aquired it

[void stream]

nah i actually got from internet

[vocal vale]

love that visor but i dont love how it doesnt fit the helmet as good as it should

[torpid urchin]

coolest shit ever

[vocal vale]

Fr

[minor comet]

found a cool site where you can design coat of arms or get a randomly generated one

https://azgaar.github.io/Armoria/

[vocal vale]

oh hey i forgot about that one

[desert ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7RmTJRJi0g new halfsword lore just dropped

[civic glade]

Very very unlikely imo

More likely to grab by the arm harness or pauldrons than by the very round and large visor

And what’s your move if you do? It doesn’t give you much control, both his arms will be free, and while you’ve got your hands high to grab the visor, your armpits are exposed

[civic glade]

Nah that visor is so sexy. You may not like it but this is beak performance for a houndskull

[civic glade]

I think definitely its a mismatched piece, in older times museums and even now collectors sometimes combine unrelated pieces to create complete displays. This is especially bad with old sword fittings

But helms and visors are easily done too

[vocal vale]

happens all the time in modern medieval sports

that's why you dont see hounskulls often in buhurt, sca, or most other grappling-heavy sports like that

if your face and head is that easy to be manipulated you can get moved pretty easy, or people will go for it in clinches

and since there are no arrows shooting at you there's not really a point to wear one

[vocal vale]

is churburg pronounced "shur-burg" or "kur-burg"?

italian armor trend i love with the right pauldron being made up of many lames, with the left one having a huge gardbrace and a huge rondel overtop

[fleet junco]

all of the photos have the maile decoration on the pauldrons

[vocal vale]

its not really decoration

italian bros just wore their maille over their rerebraces

[fleet junco]

italy

[vocal vale]

i think it looks purdy cool..

[terse bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-hamster-looking-to-camera-gif-20332990

[robust tendon]

is bro on crack

[void stream]

nah i would call this "thinking "

[toxic breach]

halfswordians.... is this polearm length reasonable or nay?

[torpid urchin]

probably

[toxic breach]

Okay. Now, is this arming point laces reasonable ...
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1258859676993589248/1267199226560118885/3ad56b419a9567949a3dd79c2efdd1ed.png?ex=66a7eabf&is=66a6993f&hm=34dd285b4cf00120b622bc8fa4fb91c7196feae7715025a888c40e25360d250c&
Or too long?

I genuinely cant find a solid reference for arming doublet laces. Modern reproductions have different lengths and manuscripts don't always show them

[vocal vale]

they'd probably be a little lower

genuinely half sword is a pretty good reference for arming points imo

in terms of just seeing where they are

[short ice]

bro...

[torpid urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duck-angry-meme-gif-25118227

[robust tendon]

no you’re on something if you think that would ever work

[civic glade]

I know at least one buhurt guy in my area wears it. It all really comes to personal preferences, i hear a lot of people find it hard to breathe in and to constricting visually

But never heard it was a liability in the grapple

When it comes to that, pretty much everyone already has their hands full. Current rules say that if you don’t have a weapon in hand you’re not allowed to take offensive action, so you would have to dump your shield and or drop your lead hand on your axe, and i dont really see that happening

If you have one id like to see it happen on video, because i have a hard time envisioning how you would even get a grip on one

[stuck pelican]

Evolution into birds

[toxic breach]

Hard...

[upper lintel]

VERY hard

[mystic vine]

My English longbow

Not strung up

[desert ruin]

new halfsword weapon

[vocal vale]

i dont have a clip of one but the one time i asked about them talking to a veteran fighter in the SCA he was like "we dont wear those because people grab the snouts and throw faces around"

[civic glade]

SCA 🥴

[vocal vale]

yeah its kinda goofy sometimes

BUT

i think its pretty cool . . .

[sullen charm]

wow bud! stop harrasing people!!!!

[short ice]

you should know the reason you got muted was for continuously being an ass to people after you were warned to stop. Sam and I are friends, first of all, so yeah, I'm gonna yank his chain every now and then.

do you have an issue with any of that?

[humble pagoda]

Get that outta here, this ain't no reference!

[robust tendon]

kill this man

[peak lava]

what was the original message?

[humble pagoda]

An suspicous invite to a fortnite server

[ripe hedge]

Is it considered a reference if its a 3d model you made yourself, and want to share?. Just curious

[vocal vale]

you can do that but also probably share a source or two that you based it off

also feel free to post in art

[ripe hedge]

How did I not see the art channel yo

[terse bronze]

would be nice if this channel had the timeframe in the description

[worldly drift]

what

bruh

and yes very true

[toxic breach]

Sigmas....is this cuirass ok

[vocal vale]

strap's a lil big but looks fine to me otherwise

[toxic breach]

Big as in long or too wide?

[vocal vale]

both, methinks the plackart isnt tall enough to warrant the strap going all the way up to the collar

in general just shrink it a bit

the size of the straps does very but i've rarely seen one that large

[toxic breach]

tru

hmm i thought of drawing a seperate character wearing dat cuirass but mayb i should put it over the one ive drawn alreade...

[vocal vale]

something like that would be more appropriate

ALSO this reminded me, dont forget the side straps

[toxic breach]

kind of fits

oh snap

side straps are only on the right side?

[vocal vale]

usually they are because most people are right handed

one side has the straps, one side has the hinges

[toxic breach]

I remember someone posted a cuirass here that buckles on the front

Thats blessed and cursed simultaneously

[vocal vale]

that's not a reference

nor does it fit the timeframe even theoretically

[toxic breach]

is this cuirass fit ok or do you think the waist needs to be thinner

[vocal vale]

seems good to me !

[toxic breach]

thanx, and one last question: are the faulds an okay size? referencing the back part especiall

y

I'm wondering whether that space in the back is appropriate, I reckon it'd have to be there since you cant move your legs if the faulds hug them

[vocal vale]

yes, looks good

especially with the legs being a bit forward the spacing is good

[hallow fiber]

So only the 1470s now 😥

[hallow fiber]

So 1450-80

[hallow fiber]

This is apparently outdated

[minor comet]

it is?

[minor comet]

so 1430-70

[hallow fiber]

No :

[minor comet]

ngl

@sly trench explain thyself

[hallow fiber]

He did ^

Even the 1450s are too early now

[smoky topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/eurovision-dance-70s-belgium-nicole-en-hugo-gif-18365279

[sly trench]

ah.. well.. as we created more assets and collected more references, we decided to take a period after transitional period in armor design. So around 70s. We still look into 80s and maybe even 60s, but I cant tell for sure. Ivan is our armorer and he knows more about what can go better with what. I prsonally really like 1450s armor, but it seems like making it fit with elements of armor from later years would be too hard

[vocal vale]

since there is a 1440-1450 armet there is still hope

[minor comet]

does that mean a small chance for inaccurate but deadly hand cannons 👉👈

[autumn stratus]

does franky have any plans for weather stuff for maps(specifically rain) cuz whenever i play half sword i always remember this scene from maximillian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI1N43N-cPg

[tired pasture]

oiugughhg the armor is so bad 💔

[terse bronze]

Ouch that's bad

[tight sand]

trash movie tbh and the scene too. But yeah weather looks cool

[hybrid heath]

Cool set piece, sure. Realistic in any shape or form, thats not it pal

[civic glade]

The fight was extremely mid. I liked the cinematography in terms of capturing how disorienting fighting in armor can be

For the armor my main gripe was how the pauldrons were fit, they were very high and wide

Also how dirty and tarnished it was for a duel before all these nobles and i guess by nobles

[gloomy bear]

what happened to his drip that isnt his armor

some of his actual armor

tourney sets

https://youtu.be/Vn4pFQDtzgE?si=V_pPCIpMmrAK9AUo

[bleak mountain]

is there a source link for the big warhammers that are like, discs and spikes on either side?

[wraith pewter]

That painting not only dates to the 17th century but is also of Maximillian's son Philip I of Castile, the harness above it belonged to his Grandson Charles V

[gloomy bear]

ngl i didnt know much of this armor if that is what you are talking about

[wraith pewter]

Yea

[gloomy bear]

its in his museum i believe so thats why i posted it same as that painting

[wraith pewter]

The MET had it on loan a while back, they still have a page with accurate info on it

[gloomy bear]

yes

[wraith pewter]

I'd take a look at that, it provides a decent bit of info on it

[gloomy bear]

my point still stands though he had nice suits of armor and the movie didnt do that justice

[wraith pewter]

Most "historical" films are bad

Always have to use a gray filter and have it bucketing down outside

[turbid shadow]

just a reminder that this games time period is 1430-1470 to potentially 1480

[tiny valve]

Who's armour is this?

[gloomy bear]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/748418

[tiny valve]

it's beautiful

[gloomy bear]

The website has MANY more pictures and entries of other pieces too i highly recommend surfing it

[vocal vale]

guy looks like someone from the witcher blood and wine

[sonic wave]

Half sword irl?👀

Actually no half sword irl graphics update

[hallow fiber]

It was clarified yesterday that everything from the 1430 to 1460 is extremely unlikely to be added to the game, as it may create anachronistic combinations, from what I understand the goal is to be able to mix individual pieces of armor without running into totally improbable combinations.

[hallow fiber]

What is that highest tier ?

[vocal vale]

wip

wrong channel though

[hallow fiber]

I mean what kind of armors are we expecting from that tier? Royal armors and All’antica gilded harnesses ?

[hallow fiber]

Unless I am asking for the references that will be used for that tier 😉

[vocal vale]

legit no idea

[upper lintel]

What about messers? are they time accurate? beacuse i really dont know

[tiny valve]

Rick, Soldier of God

[rocky sand]

Pretty sure they are but I may be wrong

[vocal vale]

im also pretty sure they are but i cant find much on them

[civic glade]

It seems like a messer would just end up being practically a narrow falchion with a different grip model

Since my understanding is theyre just choppy backswords with knife fittings rather than sword fittings

A boar hunting sword from c. 1500

[vocal vale]

similar one in fiore di battaglia from the early 1400s

[civic glade]

Ive always wondered like, why sword hunting? If youre going to hunt with a sword thats designed to behave like a spear, why not just. Use a spear? Youre not properly practicing the art of mounted swordsmanship at that point

Might as well make it a nice and pleasurable hunt by using a tool thats built for what you want rather than a weapon that only aesthetically resembles an actual sword

[rocky sand]

Spear harder to carry? People want to show off? Stupidity?

[ripe flare]

I’ve always heard that hunting swords were just made to finish the animals off

[civic glade]

If that were the case, why the stopping spar?

[vocal vale]

might've just been for people who were more comfortable wielding and transporting swords

spears and swords handle very differently

and considering fiore uses his as a weapon, it may have been used for self defense as a secondary use, too

[ancient shale]

This makes a lot of sense considering a huntsman might encounter poachers or thief gangs hiding around in the forest

[ripe flare]

Your guess is as good as mine, but it’s probably because you don’t want a animal getting close to you when you finish it off

https://www.arms-n-armor.com/blogs/news/hunting-swords

Here’s a little write up I found

[ancient shale]

Last thing I’d want is a boar crunching on my ankle whilst it’s being given the final strike

[civic glade]

I guess it all comes down to method. In my mind i was imagining the finish being a coup de grace when it has fallen at last after being wounded by arrows or dogs

But if you were trying to make a combat training out of it, hunting it down from full health so to speak, the flanges make great sense

But for that it doesnt seem very apt, since you would be moreso thrusting and lunging rather than striking, so a whole dynamic of your play with the sword is missing

I suppose the aspect that hunting will do for you is give you an experience of real mortal peril, rather than the type of training you would do in the ring where you could be injured but steps are taken to make it safe

[ancient shale]

That’s usually what it was, but more so to disallow regaining of consciousness if KO or if injured and keep game from running away

[ripe flare]

Yeah I completely agree with this. Hunting itself isn’t a very good simulator for sword combat in the way of practicing techniques, but it is certainly dangerous as well as a fun form of exercise. You get to ride your horse, use a bow, a spear, chase something and get a prize at the end.

Maybe it’s just a little easier and more efficient than a bore spear when putting down an animal, but a little safer than using a regular sword

[robust tendon]

you mean a plommee?

[ripe hedge]

Gotta run away from that chat 😭

If any dev happens to see this, I have been curious to see what the un textured gambesons look like. Solely for the purpose of making my own models look better. If I could get a picture that would be grand 🙏

[stuck pelican]

Just a icon I think, as for the edges aren’t rounded

[terse bronze]

cuz sword cool

[stuck pelican]

Thank you.

[static bane]

i mean they seem like a slasher kinda weapon, dont see them as choppy, i see them in a more "fencing" kinda view, not actually sure tho thats just my opinion, and yea they are time appropriate, im 99% sure they are ( gogole says the earliest they are seen depicted around 1430 and found by the end of the 40s )

i mean thats if franky is using older 15th century stuff still

if its just like 60s/70s onward

then i dont think they are

[robust tendon]

the fella

[ripe hedge]

Wow that is wicked

[finite crypt]

Ik it may seem like a joke suggestion but I'm 100%serious should add a trout to slap ppl with I was knocked out with a stool it was hilarious

[zenith widget]

online more

mode*

[gloomy bear]

Dripus Maximus

[silent ether]

Add blood to playtest

[sharp rose]

they will after the japan showcase

[turbid shadow]

when did you guys take references as a suggestion channel lol

please use #1047240101152960525

[lost zealot]

question, from what century is this armor from ? and what type ?

[turbid shadow]

early 16th century

[lost zealot]

from what region ? german ?

[turbid shadow]

yea i think so

the helmet is called the bellows sallet so that should open up a few things to you

[lost zealot]

other folks said it was owl face sallet

is it the same thing ?

[turbid shadow]

yea

[lost zealot]

owh ok

the cuirass looks awsome

[robust tendon]

bellows refers to a visor

and this ain't a bellows

owl face better

[turbid shadow]

yea gg i dont know much about that helmet

[lost zealot]

i think its pretty rare to see that helmet in medieval iconography

[robust tendon]

well, yeah it's not even medieval afaik

16th century is early modern

i think most 16th century armor information is from extant examples instead of with iconography

cause more recent time, and most of these are high class items and thus well preserved

[lost zealot]

shiit i forgot 😭

[robust tendon]

the line does get blurry around like 1480 ish

between early modern and medieval

at least imo

[turbid shadow]

guhhh it sucks that there are a few amazing pieces that have missing harnesses

if you think about it there is probably an iceberg of stuff related to arms and armor that didn't survive, [probably melted for other things and what not]

[lost zealot]

yeah, especially that one horned helmet given to king henry the 8th

[turbid shadow]

which is why I always think MS stuff that could look alien to actual things DID exist but never survived to be documented

[lost zealot]

this handsome fella deserve middle iceberg tier

[turbid shadow]

I always imagine this one with a smooth Maximillian harness

the helmet itself is giving me vibes of that.. if I knew how to draw I'd show what i mean

[lost zealot]

ow sht my bad, the armor is now found

[turbid shadow]

I see very interesting

[lost zealot]

by the royal armouries

[upper lintel]

the armour is reall cool

[lost zealot]

according to their twitter acc, 200 years ago, the museum's pursuit of historical rigour was a little more relaxed than it is today.

That’s why, in 1794, our Horned Helmet, a gift to Henry VIII in 1514, was displayed with armour linked by an incorrect attribution to Henry’s court fool, or jester, Will Summers

heres their twitter post https://x.com/Royal_Armouries/status/1509831118601830446

Royal Armouries (@Royal_Armouries) on X

200 years ago, the museum's pursuit of historical rigour was a little more relaxed than it is today.

That’s why, in 1794, our Horned Helmet, a gift to Henry VIII in 1514, was displayed with armour linked by an incorrect attribution to Henry’s court fool, or jester, Will Summers

Twitter · Apr 1, 2022, 9:52 AM

pretty cool tbh

[upper lintel]

The horns would be sooo dope on a diffrent typa helmet

lets say an sallet

but thats for some fantasy design or parade idfk

[lost zealot]

true

[upper lintel]

Dope

[tiny valve]

this is some nightmarish gift

[analog pivot]

kind of looks like your profile picture a little

[tiny valve]

what did i do

you offend me

and my pfp

May thou please forbear offending me

[astral smelt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cob3JMmtctY

[vocal vale]

this is really charming i love it

[analog pivot]

i dont know if on the right thats a smile or a mask lmao

[fleet junco]

look at this awesome thing

[terse bronze]

It's a scarf

Or fringed hood whatever

Classic german thing

[civic glade]

These guys vids are fantastic

I love them deeply

[lost zealot]

beautifull !

[fleet junco]

@terse bronze what is he wearing

[tired pasture]

that bevor fucked up brah………

[lost zealot]

scale armor, but it looks wierd

is it historical ?

[vocal vale]

what is who wearing

[fleet junco]

the man with the shoulders

[vocal vale]

his helmet?

[fleet junco]

no the funky pauldron thing

[vocal vale]

encased pauldrons like that were from the beginning of the 1500s i believe

let me fetch some stuff on them

[fleet junco]

i only saw them on some landskehenshtsh

[vocal vale]

top right example

[fleet junco]

yuckers

[vocal vale]

top middle example

[fleet junco]

tanks

[vocal vale]

also i like the guy's helmet on the left of the image you sent

grand bascinet with half visor

[woeful pond]

this should be like the final boss of half sword

[vocal vale]

too late for game

[torpid urchin]

is this real

[vocal vale]

no, not really

the images are pretty real but their weird linear evolutions are not

and the times associated are strange sometimes

[kind bloom]

ignore the timelines and funky curves

its just good templates for unique shapes

[vocal vale]

like this is straight up wrong

[kind bloom]

yeah its not like nobody thought of a rectangle shield until 1100

[vocal vale]

i love bashford dean but holy hell, owl faced sallets did not come before maximilian close helms nor did they evolve from each other

[kind bloom]

well yes and those weird evolutions

still, basinet my beloved

[vocal vale]

all of these coexisted and they're basically just levels of wealth

those less bespoke sallets were munitions plate

[civic glade]

Bro u dont get it the phylogeny the descent everything comes from something else the historical PROGRESSION

[vocal vale]

phylogenies are cool...... but they simply dont work well for arms and armor

these are good i like them

[robust tendon]

i think there's an extant 15th century piece that shows these articulated shoulders out there somewhere

late 15th century though

i might be able to find it

[robust tendon]

unrelated, St. Albans Chronicle, St. Albans, England, c. 1470.
Lambeth Palace Library MS 6, f.136v.

[candid dawn]

This is really useful!!

[vocal vale]

anyone have pictures of front facing italian armets?

like

straight at camera

preferably later ones

[robust tendon]

technically a sallet but it's got an "armet" visor

there's also this, milanese export

[vocal vale]

cool cool cool

might repaint my fencing mask to look like one and im trying to see how exactly the light hits them

[vocal vale]

great book on the terminologies and construction of armor, armor decoration, and garments worn with armor, but its in italian

each section covers early examples (1200s) up to late examples (1600s) when applicable

the pictures are great by themselves, most of the accompanying text gives common names to parts of the pieces

[vocal vale]

1495

[still plover]

thats so dope dude

im getting a com of my OC in armro its alamsot done

[stuck pelican]

his fucking brain explodes in the end

[still plover]

😭

[toxic breach]

Boy I can barely draw

[stuck pelican]

I love it when artist degrade themselves so they do worse on their art.

@toxic breach LOVE YOURSELF. NOW

[toxic breach]

25 thousand sables

[stuck pelican]

I’d have to agree.

[bright token]

Is this Italian armour made for German market?

Could it be for france?

[upper lintel]

What is this goofy helmet?

[toxic breach]

The bingbang armet

[terse bronze]

It' composite iicr

[copper shuttle]

Is there a possibility that such an attack will be included in the game in the future?

[rocky sand]

I hope so

[copper shuttle]

Although it may seem funny. it is actually a very effective technique.

[turbid shadow]

yee, it'll be in but prolly later

[copper shuttle]

[still plover]

Night uhhh

[civic glade]

I feel like the elbows are quite oversized

What’s the reason?

[terse bronze]

to protect your ass when you're charging

[civic glade]

Would smaller ones like these not do? They fully cover the elbow still

[terse bronze]

it's not about JUST the elbow

[civic glade]

I mean, everything else is covered too

[terse bronze]

Not enough

[vale spindle]

If it exists, you right click and take cover but when you try to take cover you hit

works with almost all weapons

[lucid pollen]

yall gotta put these guys in the game next

[vocal vale]

those wings are awesome

[bright ferry]

kastenbrust armour from 1467

[tranquil torrent]

dont know if this counts, but some music like this would be dope in a tournament!

side note, medieval-renaissance instruments are fascinating!

seeing some of these in the hands of musicians would add to atmosphere imo! (first image is more world music i realize, oopsies)

hell i'd make the tournament music, it wouldnt be music that plays when you fight, you'd probably hear it just before you fought as you entered the ring, idk

just spitballing i guess

[bright token]

The elbow guards make me think it's for cavalry combat but the skirt looks like it was made for foot combat. I honestly think it's the owner's armour fashion choice.

[lost zealot]

wow thats good dawg

all you needed is just sum shading

and reflection

[toxic breach]

Ya

thts just a demo

thanx tho bbg

[terse bronze]

It's also important to note that it's a composite harness.

[toxic breach]

What is composite armor

[terse bronze]

a set made out of multiple items that aren't necessarily meant to be together and/or possibly with reproductions

[vocal vale]

guy in middle

[tired pasture]

oh that’s actually pretty useful

im pretty sure i have this photo but in a lower quality

[vocal vale]

at first i thought it was this guy's kit because they're kinda similar

[vocal vale]

i’ve seen this guy they did my boy dirty with that angle

[civic glade]

the angle makes him seem like such a widdle guy

[bright token]

Arming sword

[terse bronze]

Arming sword

[tired pasture]

mace

[toxic breach]

Big spaulders

[still plover]

memmeme

I think it ooks good

[stuck pelican]

This guy is lovely

[tired pasture]

me

[minor comet]

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-1208

[left coral]

this anything useable? Sure looks pretty.

[rocky sand]

What is the hole for? some form of mount for a tassel or whatever they called? or a ventialtion hole? or something else

[agile trench]

Who let this shadiversity furry in here

[hardy jasper]

We need a frog mouth helmet

[terse bronze]

think it's too late from a couple decades

[wraith pewter]

It's a hole for mounting a crest or holding a plume, it shouldn't go all the way though the bowl of the helmet though, but it does indicate we may have cosmetic items later down the line

[rocky sand]

Hell yeah

[tired pasture]

so you can inspect willy’s brain

[rocky sand]

Could war scythes be in the game?Is this a good website if so they maybe could https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-30990

[fleet junco]

MIGHT BE A GUISARME

[rocky sand]

isnt one of those already in the game?

[civic glade]

Love the articulation on the tail

[void stream]

Sir this is not actually the Art channel, please read the current channel name 🤓

and then post in the art channel

[still plover]

RAAAAA

[short ice]

not in relation to the game, but I figured maybe some folks here might know some stuff about these.

these replica swords are from my families COA, and they've been passed down from generations. I can tell they've been painted over once or twice, but the engravings still hold up gorgeously. Does anybody know what kind of swords these were? I highly believe they are of french origin.

I appreciate any information, thanks!

[long yoke]

it looks a little bit like a rapier, but i might be mistaken

[short ice]

that's what I had originally thought, was possibly some sort of épée or Spada, but I'm not too sure really

[drowsy crest]

i went searching and found this

its a 1700's spanish cavalry broad sword

or maybe can be from a different place but they look alike

https://swordis.com/types-of-swords/ here's a website where you can search for all types of swords. from what I've seen it looks like a sword from early Europe to 1800's American officer swords. may be a officers sword because of its decorated finish and engravings

although do your research and come to your own conclusion

[lost zealot]

painted barbute, kinda looks good

[rocky sand]

https://www.thearma.org/essays/G&WinRF.htm some stuff about grappling and wrestling from multiple centuries hope to see this become a more defined feature

[hallow fiber]

Many of those copies are from Spain, I have to admit that the quality of the work isn’t that refined , you can still see the parting lines left in between two parts of the mold where the metal was cast.

[terse bronze]

Épée and spada both just means sword

[copper shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/walkingdead-rick-in-a-tank-rick-grimes-stunned-tweaking-gif-27257285

[toxic breach]

the handhammer is real.....from baegerts art

[toxic breach]

Ermmmmm

Fake

[toxic breach]

All fake

[short ice]

Well yeah, you're not wrong, but they are different versions of the fencing rapier. The Épée was a straighter and longer blade compared to, say, a sabre, which curves, or a foil

sorry I guess I'm going a little

[terse bronze]

Well yeah but that's a "modern" fencing difference

[short ice]

also shoutout Hans Talhoffers works

[terse bronze]

fr he's mah man

[short ice]

I was actually showing Franky a bunch of his works yesterday, I was very interested going through his history

he has a lot of fantastic references

[short ice]

I agree they definitely aren't perfect. They weren't used for fighting, that's for sure. Or, if they ever were, they were filled and engraved to be put on display. Like I mentioned, you can definitely tell they've been painted at least once over the generations. I know my family didn't paint them, but it's obvious it happened somewhere down the line.

like said, they were used for display for my families coat of arms. I got curious and thought I might try and track down a bit of their history, if I can

[terse bronze]

did you guys knew that rapier comes from "espada de ropera" which roughly translate to "dress sword"

[tacit cloak]

Today, I had the great pleasure of visiting the royal armoury in Turin, Italy. I’m going to send some pictures now

Knight armour, forged in Milan using burnished steel around 1550, the sword is not original.

Top: Rondel dagger belonging to the Landsknecht, second half of the XVII century
Bottom: A “Sfondagiaco” dagger from the early XV century, consisting of a robust yet sharp blade capable of sliding between armour plates and destroying chainmail links. This particular variant (alla Stradiotta)has two ear-shaped extensions to guard the thumb.

More Sfondagiaco daggers

Will post more

[timid panther]

Pretty cool, I was able to recreate this treatise in the game

[rocky sand]

Nice

https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1244313050174197850 if your interested in more of that you can look here

[candid dawn]

ello guys! Is there any good refrence of a 15th century training sword or a wester, like a genuine one?...hard to come by good references or fidings of one

[upper lintel]

What is this cloth called? It looks really good but i doubt its just called jupon

More pics

[rocky sand]

This may help idk how well but doesn't hurt to post http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.39987.html

[turbid shadow]

i think I got you

[fleet junco]

fencer is now mod again

[short ice]

Thanks for this by the way! I forgot to mention. It's super appreciated

[short ice]

trying to help out as well. I can see where you're running into walls...

searching for a Wester of almost any kind tries to bring up results for "western" swords. Not exactly what we're looking for.. I will keep you updated if I find anything

[civic glade]

disagree, blade looks way way way thinner than this broadsword

[vocal vale]

another spelling is "waster"

though i do recall reading that there are no sources for wooden swords ever being used

[vocal vale]

this has been on my mind a lot recently and i thank you for bringing this to thought

[fleet junco]

But wouldnt that not be munitions?

[vocal vale]

how so

[fleet junco]

like two pieces to make one

[vocal vale]

i've never heard that munitions plate specifically cant have multiple pieces

i mean i do figure plain breastplates were more common but some ill-fitting plackarts and paunces dont seem far fetched

[fleet junco]

i could agree with that because it does seem loose in some ways

can somemone find a video of someone putting on a plackart

[tired pasture]

houppelande

[trail fog]

isn't the serpent the forerunner of the euphonium?

[tranquil torrent]

The serpent is the forerunner of low brass entirely

It was actually used more in secular settings, before other low brass instruments were invented, to support the bass singers

@trail fog

it eventually stopped being used, mainly due to fear of pagan influence and general falling out of style, and found more use in the orchestra

it eventually fell into obscurity there too with the invention of the ophicleide and tubas

[rocky sand]

I saw some stuff about wooden clubs being used for fencing practice

[rocky sand]

https://youtu.be/3X-hLXBLu8c?si=KnmRECLvp2bhlDBR idk if this goes here but it's a fun video

[rocky sand]

The bill hook has some interesting properties

[civic glade]

Split mitten is sex, we love the split mitten

[terse bronze]

all my homies love split mittens

[toxic breach]

Hmmm now why would they do such a thing splitting their mittens

[terse bronze]

dexterity

[toxic breach]

Hmm or maybe they pretended to be anthropomorphic goat people

Whose hands are split into two cloven hoofed fingers with a thumb

[vocal vale]

well well well..

[toxic breach]

Hmmm

[tired pasture]

i cant tell if these are similar to the ones in the image

they look more like renaissance/early modern

hawt

[vocal vale]

do you have a picture for the inner side of the arm harness

[tired pasture]

i saw that somewhere but ive lost it

[vocal vale]

i might be able to find it

best i got

the major couter is riveted (?) to the arm harness rather than fastened on via staple, like this one

i dont think i've seen too many examples of them being riveted on, it might be something from the later quarters of the 1400s

another thing worth note from the later half of the 15th century is that the wings of minor couters started to gravitate towards the inner elbow more to provide some extra (and cool looking) protection without hindering as much mobility

[marsh vale]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QvwWA3FULIc?si=KicwVMV4KYefnM9M

thought the three headed looked cool

[calm forge]

An actual flail would be fun to fail with. Is fun in Exanima and Chiv.

[glad trellis]

more stuff for the cloth engine to play with

[vocal vale]

probably my favorite armor in art

similar

[robust tendon]

i doubt that this is the case

like, that only makes sense if it's issued equipment, which i think for the average levied man, he provided his own

I think from time to time it would be the lord's own equipment, so maybe in those cases the bp and plackarts could be split

And honestly if it's issued, standard bp would probably be way cheaper and cover more important parts of the body

instead of plackarts which do cover more but don't do much for the heart

[robust tendon]

and levies usually buy what is most important before anything else

eg bp, helmet, etc

[vocal vale]

there are a lot of accounts of lords buying thousands of breastplates and crap, arent there? the missaglia family were the professional mass producers of the stuff, i dont see why it wouldnt be provided to those who need it

[robust tendon]

ye but i think it varies

when and where is very important

it'd probably be a better idea to just arm a man in both bp and plackart if you don't have enough for everyone

like if you only have so many bps and plackarts, why split them when you could just improve the armor of people who already have a bp

[civic glade]

It seems like the difference between no armor and some armor is much greater than the difference between some armor and more armor, when it comes to staying power on the battle field, and the morale of the troops

Like imagine how much more assured an army would be with 1000 people in armor vs 500 on much armor and 500 in none

I personally would be pretty unhappy if all i got was a helmet and a plackart, it looks and feels very exposed to have your upper chest where the most vital stuff is exposed

But of the alternative is a helmet alone with no chest protection i would be most grateful to my lord if he provided the plackart

All of this is oure conjecture ofc, i can speak to the period tactical thought on the matter by any means

It seems like there must be medieval treatises on military science, does anybody know of any?

[tired pasture]

me

[fleet junco]

not you!

[tired pasture]

ugh

me

[terse bronze]

oof that right guy kit is so bad

[vocal vale]

dude's little cousin wanted to tag along

[bright ferry]

left kit is also way too thick

it looks like something out of buhurt

[terse bronze]

nah

it's not perfect but it aint buhurt bad

[bright ferry]

its giving buhurt vibes because of how padded it is

it could just be a good (for buhurt) buhurt kit

[vocal vale]

definitely is a bit bulky but the proportions are at least there

[terse bronze]

You can barely see any padding

[bright ferry]

looking how it fits seems to imply padding but he could just have the biggest chest in the world

atleast it isnt belly armour

[vocal vale]

judging by the thickness of his calves and forearms i'd say he's just a big lad

[terse bronze]

it's a possibility tho I do reckon seeing that same cuirass on him while he's standing and it does look a bit large but i don't think it's due to padding

[bright ferry]

aventail also seems very padded but ive seen lots of repros like that

[terse bronze]

I think the bp is just big

[bright ferry]

but yeah that right kit is atrocious

that coif is falling off his head 😭

[bright ferry]

that looks much better

it appears he is infact just a chunky lad

which we love him for

[vocal vale]

genuinely a pretty rad kit

[bright ferry]

oh yes it is

i love that knightly girdle he has

[terse bronze]

that reenactment group has some very interesting kits

[vocal vale]

love em

[terse bronze]

and the monster energy tunic

[bright ferry]

squire brings worst kit ever, told to leave realm

[vocal vale]

one of my faves from them

they're really good at what they do man i love em

except for that bum ass squire

expel that guy from the kingdom

[bright ferry]

i feel like its understated sometimes just how great greathelms were

that aint your daddies greathelm

[vocal vale]

this guy's gettin skinnier with every photo lmaoo

the way he's stanced up affects how he looks by a lot

[bright ferry]

theres this nice kit from seemingly the same photoshoot?

an osprey classic

[vocal vale]

im a fan

[bright ferry]

jesus look at this horrific buhurt armour

[bright ferry]

same guy with different armour

still with that fabulous belt though

[vocal vale]

love that

[fleet junco]

comparing

angy

[vocal vale]

guy on the left is dripped tf out love his kit

unrelated

armet on left

[rocky sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msRahH8rKaI this is an interesting video. if weapon clip got better it would be interesting to add to the game

[tired pasture]

they talk about how it only shows up around 1515

too late for the game

[rocky sand]

oh yeah i got confused

15 century 1400

[lost zealot]

cool looking armor

from a combat manual manuscript Circa 1500s

[rocky sand]

Fun sword too

[lost zealot]

double edged swordie :3

[rocky sand]

Where is this sheild from?

And where is this one from

they are seperate teams

[humble monolith]

https://youtube.com/shorts/821qP3HHT7s?si=1F-7SsCuzP2eXF66

[rocky sand]

England

[rocky sand]

And bohemia

[humble monolith]

Just some armours i found interesting

[fleet junco]

oh dude we need tourney swords in halfsword

[lost zealot]

fr

[civic glade]

1550 parade maille shirt

(Zoom in to see pattern)

[turbid shadow]

me when everything here is unrelated to half sword

[humble monolith]

Wow thats nice

[civic glade]

What’s half sword?

[turbid shadow]

video game

[civic glade]

Sounds lame. Time to post more armor

[humble monolith]

Lol

[turbid shadow]

lame

[tired pasture]

all are out of date for the game

[rustic dune]

Two handed mace, the painting looks like its from 15th

[minor comet]

https://youtu.be/L4O8TLY-R2k

[fossil comet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/gPeeQ4-r5Bs?si=K6hNksl66WdnXoh_

I highly recommend watching all of this guys stuff

https://youtube.com/shorts/nTcv4glnDXs?si=lp7DvWB-GOCZt87p

[torpid urchin]

can someone drop the houndskull armet refs

[terse bronze]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/94185526@N04/24139780084

[lament wolf]

Is there any documentation of knee strikes being used in HEMA

[sullen charm]

also if u guys added customizable heraldic elements it would be cool

[toxic breach]

This is outside of the game's time period

[sullen charm]

late 15th centaury?

[toxic breach]

Yes, even the illustration below has text saying that armor is from 1525

[sullen charm]

but the game has milanese armour from simmiliar time

[turbid shadow]

its called milanese

[sullen charm]

i know

typo

[terse bronze]

This is not from similar times

[turbid shadow]

and second this is like export armor from like the 1450s if im not actually wrong

[terse bronze]

The images you posted are from the 16thc

[turbid shadow]

and yea they barely look like each other

[sullen charm]

alr

my idea was to add customizable heraldic elements

[turbid shadow]

you'll be seeing something like that

[sullen charm]

cool

[toxic breach]

Milanese armor was developed in the 15th century

[sullen charm]

when did I say otherwise?

check this out

[toxic breach]

U suggested milanese armor comes from a similar time
Which it doesnt cuz in the 16th century different styles were developed

Ez

[sullen charm]

alr u won

[iron ledge]

Fellas

two questons on historcal authenticity of certain armour elements

1. Were hoods ever worn under helmets?

2. Any evidence of brigandine arm protection?

[haughty creek]

I don’t know about proper arm protection, but there are a few manuscripts that date to the mid 15th century that depict brigandine pauldrons and spaulders

[toxic breach]

Yes

[toxic breach]

Yes, shoulder armor

Pastrana tapestry

[toxic breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1055560006407303188/1204066539351834664/IMG_3215.png?ex=66bcbad9&is=66bb6959&hm=57b1649324a7bfa5153d7f6c97abfde679d031941d3a1bb393a93961a4712deb&

[rustic dune]

kastenbrust breastplate

Looks too cool not to be in the game in my opinion

[humble monolith]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OSGP5bglJ14?si=Ggk0nq5CHyMlYw_s

[humble monolith]

Wym?

[toxic breach]

They r all too late for this games period

Those armors r 16century and one of them is fictional

[tired pasture]

theyre out of date

wdym wym

🙄

[keen fractal]

Do we have Zweihander on the game? 🙂

https://royalarmouries.org/collection/object/object-507 https://www.medievalwarfare.info/armour.htm

[terse bronze]

out of the timeframe

regular greatswords are cool tho

[toxic breach]

There r greatswords already

[lost zealot]

odd looking war hammer

[tired pasture]

zweihander can refer to any two handed sword

but we do have a greatsword

[upper lintel]

supa intresting

[toxic breach]

Did painted polearm shafts exist

Existify?

[rocky sand]

if painted armour exist probably. But lets wait for one of the smart people to provide evidence

[civic glade]

Is there any pictoral evidence of ideal physiques or conditioning systems for medieval warriors

Im curious what the ideal knight physique might have been

[civic glade]

Swords of this size come more into fashion in the 16th c than the 15th c i believe

There definitely are huge swords in game though at the higher tiers

[toxic breach]

WASP WAIST. HOURGLASS FIGURE. (unironically)

[civic glade]

I mean less in terms of fashion silhouette and more body comp

[toxic breach]

@terse bronze Hello Sir

[fleet junco]

iirc there are two little holes at the top of the helmets in game that would fit those I THINK

[fossil comet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QvwWA3FULIc?si=2sor98MBAUBDMrxx

[toxic breach]

Also

Low res but anudda one

[fleet junco]

they kinda just look like coifs

also what kind of hood is well fitted to the user of said hood

[toxic breach]

Willie's

[toxic breach]

well u got da fellow on the right

and this... but maybe a coif as well. idk

[fleet junco]

ohh it kinda makes sense now

thumbs up emoji bruh

[quaint peak]

There is this sword in the game ?

[toxic breach]

No but if you use the trainer mod for the demo and scale a great-sword you can achieve that

[quaint peak]

Oh ok thanks brother

But i would think it would be cool to have a boss ine the demo with this sword

[boreal rune]

can you put mods in the playtest or is that a no no

[toxic breach]

No, it wouldn't. That'd go against the whole premise of the game ;}}

[toxic breach]

Not possible yet

[boreal rune]

ok

[quaint peak]

yea true

[fleet junco]

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-come-deliverance-henry-henry-of-skalitz-kcd-kcd2-gif-6820475746128572115

[fleet junco]

@tired pasture

[tired pasture]

hi

[fleet junco]

goodbye

[tired pasture]

byebye

[fleet junco]

drinking while saddling

[vocal vale]

this pic goes so hard can i screenshot

[fleet junco]

yeah!

[keen fractal]

I agree

There are some big chunks of metal and I love it.

[keen fractal]

I would love to know more about it, do you have an documentary recommendation about it?

No, it wouldn't. That'd go against the

[tired pasture]

too late for the game

[terse bronze]

And the third is a fake

[sand thicket]

I wonder if it would be possible to add a langes Messer, i love those swords

[turbid shadow]

yea those fit through the game

[rocky sand]

are kreigsmessers? curved sword would be cool and that is the most thematical one i can think of

[terse bronze]

yes

[rocky sand]

hell yeah

[fossil comet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/821qP3HHT7s?si=W0wD8LHLECHZy_rY

[keen fractal]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/35903

[sour crow]

whats the style of art in half sword

[keen fractal]

15 century

[turbid shadow]

manuscript

[turbid shadow]

try to post more historical references as this game is aiming to be 1450-1480, most of these are larp except for the second picture

[tired pasture]

2nd is decent and the last is out of date

[terse bronze]

jesus christ

i wish i could go back in time and kill the person who thought those visored barbutes were a good idea

[keen fractal]

oof, i like it

[terse bronze]

These ones spark joy!

This one does not

[keen fractal]

found this video talking about this, I have zero knowledge about history of armors so i'm very interesting to know why this is bad design
https://youtu.be/gb1csnUeebo

[terse bronze]

yeah that one is a 14thc bascinet visor on top of a 15thc barbute

but even then, i thins this particular one is pretty good for fantasy since it's composed of 2 historical elements with all their properties, silouhette ect

however the for honor barbute is just a heap of trash iron

[keen fractal]

well coming from ubisoft i can see why

https://www.reddit.com/r/ArmsandArmor/comments/1anunpe/how_historically_accurate_is_the_warden_from_for/

[keen fractal]

how you would react to this? kek

[terse bronze]

that's one tiny head

[tepid edge]

I think they mean what makes it bad functionally

oh nvm

[restive ledge]

hello everyone, here are some period references

https://www.instagram.com/chevalerieinitiatique/

https://www.instagram.com/simon_clb/

https://www.instagram.com/armourphotographer/

https://www.instagram.com/george_steel_armours/

[toxic breach]

I think itd be more productive to post genuine manuscripts as opposed real life reconstructions as actors take some liberties

[haughty creek]

Does anyone have a reference for a paunce of plates being used after 1450 in England

[terse bronze]

Paunce of plates is just the name of what ppl call "faulds" btw

so they were definitely used

I think the beauchamp pageant dates after 1450 so

[civic glade]

We should add the steel chair

[vocal vale]

my god that dude's helmet is MANGLED

legit thought he was wearing tinfoil

[toxic breach]

Too early for this game

[granite wigeon]

Hey guys, I'm not a pro in armor and stuff, so I had a question: could this kind of helmet be in Half Sword or is it too early?

[tired pasture]

waaay too early

also thats like a crappy reproduction selling on amazon

[granite wigeon]

Thanks for the answer! (And yeh this was the first image found on google 🤣)

[vocal vale]

check out "dargen-pommern" helmet for better results

usually just called dargen

[granite wigeon]

Thx! I'll check that out!

[tired pasture]

this is me

literally

[fleet junco]

blindfold

[severe mauve]

I wonder, would great/grand bascinets be in half sword? I don’t remember the period they were used but iirc they were used around the same time the game takes place in I think??

lik uhhh this type of helmet

[vocal vale]

yeah

[severe mauve]

hell yeah, that would be an awesome helmet to see in game, i never really see it often

[sour crow]

Why were surcoats stop being used?

[tired pasture]

fashion changes

development in armor

[severe mauve]

thats what i was gonna say yeah

[tired pasture]

it depends what you count as a surcoat though

[severe mauve]

true true

[sour crow]

Ohh so plate was more pretty and practical

What about the coat of arms?

[sour crow]

Yes!!! This is my favorite helmet, hopefully it gets added

[tired pasture]

no not plate

[fleet junco]

its very important, they stayed

[severe mauve]

iirc they still had clothing that would sometimes go over plate that displayed heraldic symbols and stuff, lemme grab some photos one sec

[tired pasture]

development of other textile covers

[fleet junco]

oh look its that little polish fauld

[sour crow]

Is this like 15th century

[tired pasture]

tabards jupons and covered breastplates

[severe mauve]

yeah i think so

[sour crow]

Why aren’t they in half sword they look so cool!

Unfortunate

[tired pasture]

early 15th

halfsword spans throughout the late second half of the 15th century

[sour crow]

Ohhh

[severe mauve]

seeing painted sallets would be dope though too

[sour crow]

Were bascinets fazed out by then?

[severe mauve]

i dont think so no

er

well

[sour crow]

Odd why not in half sword considering popularity

[tired pasture]

great bascinets became popular

[severe mauve]

thank you, yeah what they said

[sour crow]

What’s difference

Just heavier???

[tired pasture]

the bascinet and maille aventail had essentially disappeared

[tired pasture]

steel plates covering the neck

[sour crow]

Ohh

[tired pasture]

more sturdy

[sour crow]

I hope their added to half sword

They look awsome ngl