references♥_1450-1470

[rough wind]

This will be half sword in 2016

[void stream]

i though it was from the game lol

[vocal vale]

is there a correlation between using a kettle helm + bevor and the region the harness emulates? i feel like i usually don’t see kettles on gothic armor

[fleet junco]

this is from kcd 3 i think

[fleet pewter]

I love this, wish they made something similar in Italy.

[terse bronze]

Check out Torneoenarmatura

[fleet pewter]

thank you

[robust tendon]

me at the function

[sullen charm]

would be crazy just to walk around casually all day with all that on

[robust tendon]

well i mean, medieval knights sort of did that. Prob on marches. Though you have a horse to do the walking ;d

[torpid urchin]

Is that a bicoque or something else?

[turbid shadow]

Great bascinet

[torpid urchin]

I tried convincing myself that it was a great bascinet by looking at the bevor, but the visor and the less pointy skull threw me off

[sullen charm]

remember: visors never constitute the type of helmet!!!!!!!! it's just a visor!!!!!

[robust tendon]

looks out of period for the game

looks like 1390s-1410s stuff

[void stream]

ok

[void stream]

the manuscript it's from 1400 to 1420 so it's from game period or almost

[robust tendon]

decade off, pretty sure the earliest date for the game is 1430

still a nice MS tho

[stuck pelican]

Do you guys have any simple foot soldier gear or like lower end gear from any medieval period, dm me it please I want to try doing some art like that

[humble pagoda]

What is that blue shield called with the spike?

[vocal vale]

i see this brought up a lot in this channel, and while i do agree with it i do think it’s bogus to not consider a visor an important aspect to think about on a helmet. most helmets had a contemporary few visors that were employed with them and i don’t think it’s crazy to make a guess on what kind of helmet is worn by looking at the visor especially if certain components are covered up

most of the time if you see a rounded hounskull you’ll be able to think “yeah that probably goes on a grand bascinet”

like when dudes see a sallet with a hounskull and go “that’s weird, it’s like a sallet and a bascinet had a baby!” it seems to offend the armor scholars but i think it’s just kinda common sense to associate certain visors with certain helmets

[terse bronze]

You Can associate all you want but it's a fact that a Visor doesn't matter when were talking about a helmet type

Since you can change the visor, does your helmet type change everytime you do ? No

[vocal vale]

i know that man

i just find that discordian helmeteers too often get pressed over visor association even though its just common sense that they would be

[terse bronze]

But it's really not common sense when you think about it

[vocal vale]

agree to disagree dawg

[robust tendon]

it is a major part but it’s also not really affecting the actual shape of the helmet

[robust tendon]

I don’t think it has a specific name

May have been artistic liberty, at least as far as i am aware

Though you do see spiked shields in this shape pop up in MS from a pretty wide range of decades in the 15th century so it may have been a real thing

but just because something appears in MS doesn’t mean it’s an actual thing people used, you see spiked one handed flails pop up and those were likely ceremonial if they were made at all

[full kiln]

if youre a fucking nerd yeah

hating ahh😂😂😂😂

[robust tendon]

are you being retarded as a joke?

[clever bramble]

Yeah, we are all nerds here. Like wtaf do you think this is?

[indigo atlas]

I joined because I like dismembering bodies in videogames

[clever bramble]

then why be in the references channel?

[indigo atlas]

To express myself

[terse bronze]

The imbecile infestation here

[terse bronze]

french ms

[fallow wren]

The masculine urge to go out in public fully dressed in heavy medieval armor

[terse bronze]

cringe

[sullen charm]

"masculine"

with that grabbable wasp waist of yours?

[terse bronze]

idiot

[full kiln]

no just find it weird he sent some random shit and you just felt the need to correct him

1300s or 1400s bro

who df cares

[terse bronze]

Check the pinned messages

[full kiln]

long ahh time ago anyways

incest was just as popular😂😂😂😂

[terse bronze]

...

[sullen charm]

pretty stark difference

[full kiln]

Yeah

pretty different bro

[terse bronze]

Tf you're doing here if you don't care

[full kiln]

they didnt have iphone in either one of them

😂

shitty ass centuries

mid century

[turbid shadow]

the devs do

[cunning glacier]

Et les joueurs également.

[fallow wren]

Well something gotta protect it

[vocal vale]

lmao

[terse bronze]

no way star wars reference

[turbid shadow]

Is that george something something? forgot his name

[terse bronze]

jolliot yes

on the right

[turbid shadow]

he has some good shit

[turbid shadow]

some sallet

[terse bronze]

yippee

[torpid urchin]

@humble pagoda You already posted this my g

[humble pagoda]

I did?

I got doo doo memory

😭

[lofty needle]

these things remind me of turtles

[void stream]

Bro i want one of these 😭

[humble pagoda]

What is that grimy part inside of the leg armour?

[white fulcrum]

it’s not grime, just the same metal but not polished and stuff

no real need to smoothen it or whatever since no one’s seeing it or hitting the inside of the harness

[terse bronze]

you could have at least posted the full res images instead of 2pixels wide thumbnails

[vocal vale]

love this harness

[void stream]

If it's not good for you, just go look for art by Paolo Uccello

[terse bronze]

I already have

But it's just curious that you wouldnt post the actual pieces instead of thumbnails where we can't see shit

[void stream]

Found one with better resolution

[terse bronze]

Open in your navigator for full res

[vocal vale]

i love the cool "goggled" looking armets

[sullen charm]

Why he looking at me like that

[void stream]

i see evil in his face

[stuck pelican]

Evil ass

[fleet badger]

2nd dude looks stoned asf

[fleet junco]

The stealer

1480-1485

[turbid shadow]

Hey, this place is for posting Pictures of historical medieval arms and armor, you can post that on photography maybe

[stuck pelican]

Never seen such a helmet, looks pretty awesome

[lunar yew]

oh mb

[pastel lodge]

1480-1488

[turbid shadow]

since your here, have this cool video that shows some stuff being worked on and will make it in the next update hopefully

[pastel lodge]

plume spotted i splooged

skullcap rondels double coloured plume 🫶

@turbid shadow im assuming scheke was already suggested right

[turbid shadow]

yuh

feel free to post more about them tho

[pastel lodge]

what about scale skullcap

itd be cool if there was a scale skullcap thats just easier to break maybe

[turbid shadow]

I haven't seen a lot of them actually

[pastel lodge]

well here is one.../!

[turbid shadow]

do go crazy and post stuff, just make sure that them fit the period!

[pastel lodge]

obviously the scale skullcap fits the period since the scheke is around lol but yeah

[turbid shadow]

yea just sayin

don't wanna have a case where someone just posted a 13th cent larp kit sometime ago

[pastel lodge]

scarf under sallet would be cool.. also what the fuck is that sallet i just noticed its pointy...

ive never see nthat before

[turbid shadow]

yeah it looks pretty good

[pastel lodge]

This skullcap!!!!

[turbid shadow]

also low fantasy stuff can also work

[pastel lodge]

the jailed velvet....

[turbid shadow]

since I think heroic stuff is coming in HS

[pastel lodge]

heroic stuff would be interesting

[turbid shadow]

Yes

[pastel lodge]

what about this silly helmet

[pastel lodge]

the hero..

crazy how french people basically had their own version of fantasy armour

[robust tendon]

hello tomato

[pastel lodge]

hello

[vocal vale]

looks dope but i dont understand what the visor is supposed to be

any ideas?

[pastel lodge]

great bascinet? or klappvisor?

[vocal vale]

im wondering if the top protrusion is meant to go under the eyes or what

but then i dont get what the "chin" is

its like a spoleto with a chin protrusion

[fleet junco]

Warhorse

Too bad its from armstreet

[terse bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227412021243281509/1237506693080809543/21791483_313357812461498_2413102958368522240_n.mov?ex=663be56b&is=663a93eb&hm=f20ebafa5facc628aa6ec4afac18525353576d5801cb6cbedd5eaa35c7a459fa&

[terse bronze]

out of the game's timeframe anyway

[copper loom]

now these r sick

[torpid urchin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1114668230838059099/1234511569833037834/image0.jpg?ex=663cdd7e&is=663b8bfe&hm=71fe9cbc21744cbc616800032abe7f9802c8f6f42278e585b8cf56e17e7bba36&

[robust tendon]

jejeje

[torpid urchin]

@reef thicket Is this intentional? I think you drew your poleyns mismatched

[fleet junco]

@reef thicket did you draw armor on purpose

[reef thicket]

no but I wasn't working off any references and I couldn't care enough to fix it

nahh

[humble pagoda]

Do you guys have References/paintings of Barbutes from Milan?

[vocal vale]

a few from Padua

is that alright

[humble pagoda]

Sure

[robust tendon]

barbute from the Musee de l'Armee in Paris

grand bascinet from the same museum

[spice obsidian]

Hey here, do you guys have exemple of padded armor weared undermail in the 14th century by the frenches? Thanks in advance!

(I ask because I planned to make one by myself and I don’t know wich kind of padded armor I should make for my purpose -> a 14th noble )

[gritty ridge]

There is very little good evidence other than from manuscripts as to what was worn directly under maile, but generally speaking -- it never appears to be that thick, or made from that weird cross-patterned LARP gear you see people use.

Tomb Effigies are a good source of evidence, but it's hard to find any that are from the 14th Century that actually show any under-armour clothing. It appears that realistically what they wore were, much like normal clothing things like cotehardies, that were maybe double layered.

Picture is English, not French, but again, it's the same correct period, but it's difficult to find any evidence with the underclothing visible.

Others may have more insights, however.

[robust tendon]

yeah padded armor wasn’t really worn under maille at all

it was at most aketon

Gambeson was, however, worn OVER, not under, maille

you see this from like 13th century to the end of the 15th century

[robust tendon]

this was from time to time and isn’t super common in MS, neither is aketon since there are many depictions of regular clothes worn under maille

[spice obsidian]

how thick are aketon?

from my understanding I should make an aketon or an armed pourpoint

for my purpose

and by the same question what kind of padding should I buy, I know I need poissed string, lanen fabric but still don't know what to use as a padding

[robust tendon]

pretty lightly quilted

more likely for comfort than actual protection

[gritty ridge]

This is, of course, not from the 14th Century. But it's a relatively good illustration for these purposes.

As @robust tendon said, it's not padded per se.

[terse bronze]

very early 1300s, France (look that his wrist)

1320-50 & 1350-1400

England and France

[gritty ridge]

I was able to find a version without the ultra-contrast.

[terse bronze]

Nice I was looking for it in my mess of a folder lmao

another 1325ish french one with a similar aketon

[gritty ridge]

I am concerned with the effigy though, as a plaque next to it implies he was buried in 957.

[gritty ridge]

Effigies really are the best source for information.

[terse bronze]

the plaque doesn't directly state that the effigy is Haymon

But even if it did it's not a big deal since his effigy would be sculpted following comtemporary styles

[gritty ridge]

I won't disagree. My point is, without a name it's not entirely sure when the effigy was made. It looks 12th-13th Century though, from a glance.

Regardless, your sources are good information.

[terse bronze]

nvm the image I posted above sayd it's him i think

but yeah essentially, what's under the armor isn't super padded like some big ass michelin man gambeson that's the important part to note

Eglise Saint-Martin at Bussy-Saint-Martin

~13thc gamboissed sleeve

[robust tendon]

Later on you more or less see this disappear

Probably because quilted clothes is less important for plate than it is maille

maille is not a rigid armor so it’s more vulnerable to things like maces or heavy polearms, that isn’t to say it just went straight through easily though.

like by mid 15th cent

you pretty much just wear arming doublet underneath, possibly with quilting around the shoulders but that’s for comfort

[terse bronze]

of course but the topic of the discussion now is pre 15thc

[robust tendon]

just wanted to add ;d

speaking of 14th there is one video of a guy arming himself in late 14th cent harness, he wears a lightly quilted garment under it

though of course for late 14th plate they still wore full maille underneath

well at least a hauberk

and probably maille voiders for the back of the knee but not too sure

[spice obsidian]

would 2 layers of linen do the trick in your opinion

[robust tendon]

do the trick for what

[spice obsidian]

for the making of an aketon

like two linen piecies quilted one to the other

no pading just linen over linen

[fleet junco]

That be a arming doublet

[spice obsidian]

what is the real difference

aren't they mostly for 15th cent?

[gritty ridge]

As I understand it, the only major difference between an arming doublet, and something else is that one has points, the other does not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGl_UXc9HIE

Is the video I think @robust tendon is referring to. Credits seem to show he has done his research, so it's fair to assume the harness is at least as close to accurate as practically possible.

[gritty ridge]

The padded shirt he wears appears to just be that - the points appear to be on his hauberk, but that could just be the video.

[robust tendon]

Yep that’s the one

[spice obsidian]

ik that one

(basicaly why I prefer this period)

[noble wagon]

Anybody know a good source where i can find what infamous medieval armies were equipped with in terms of armor? (knights hospitaller, templars, etc)

[fleet junco]

Pinterest ngl

[terse bronze]

You would first have to narrow down to place and date

templars stopped existing in 1314 so at least by that point they would be equipped just like everyone else and vice versa

(probably with some subtle differences due to the rules of the order, like no wealthy stuff like flashy decorations ect)

But essentially a templar, hospitallier ect will look like any other soldier of the same area, era and status

With a more or less diverse array of possible weapons and armor pieces available that they could be equipped from

(Includes the templar and hospitallier example but isn't limited to them)

[noble wagon]

Thanks, big help, surprised i didn’t think of just doing that on my own

[torpid urchin]

Look at this hooligan

https://youtu.be/m8Q_tfB5BOs?si=ep-RDT83Y9_CZuFW

[fleet junco]

This is all 16th century stuff

Except for the franken armor

[torpid urchin]

And the nauticalmart armor

[spice obsidian]

pfff everybody knows that 14th-15th armor are the best looking ones

[terse bronze]

That being 2 entire fucking centuries you Can find pretty much anything you want

[spice obsidian]

You got it right 🤣

Btw does a 8 to 12mm thick arming doubled looks accurate to you?

[terse bronze]

No clue

[robust tendon]

"the crusader"

fuck crusadaboos

[terse bronze]

"suits of armor"

you know you shouldnt watch

[robust tendon]

what's wrong with suits of armor

i mean full harness is a "suit of armor"

maybe not the proper term but it works

[terse bronze]

harness is
more correct historically
shorter
correct in multiple languages

[robust tendon]

fair enough

[terse bronze]

Also i just personally have a hate for that term

[robust tendon]

anyway the one at 17 seconds is god awful so yeah

[terse bronze]

didn't watch the vido

[robust tendon]

good decision, i just skimmed it

[spice obsidian]

Don’t

[robust tendon]

me but with lucerne

or "plate mail"

[terse bronze]

yeah true

plate mail to me is just as bad as suit of armor tbh

[robust tendon]

it works for like, specific types of east european armor

as it is maille but with plate

but plate armor is entirely different from that

[terse bronze]

yeah but most people will just use plate mail for like armor in general

so dum!!

[robust tendon]

make them walk the plank

[spice obsidian]

Never eared of plate mail

[robust tendon]

it's semi-common

[terse bronze]

sometimes you see the combo..

"a full suit of plate mail armor"

[spice obsidian]

The only blasphemous stuff that I saw is chain mail made of pop tab

Aluminium chain mail

[robust tendon]

chain mail is also a pretty redundant term

maille in terms of armor is just chained armor iirc

so it's like saying an adjective twice

[spice obsidian]

Isn’t cote de maille translation chain mail

[terse bronze]

not really

[robust tendon]

but whatever it's not as bad as like bec de corbin or plate mail

[terse bronze]

it's a pretty oudated term

[robust tendon]

i think that's just clothing of maille though

but i don't know french much

[spice obsidian]

Wdym

[terse bronze]

outdated* sorry

like cotte de maille now is like chainmail in english

I mean no one is gonna jump on your for it but it's almost always better to call it haubert / haubergeon

[spice obsidian]

Ah got you

[robust tendon]

hauberk is also correct no?

[spice obsidian]

Ym it’a a generic therm to designate all chain made armor

Any way I realy got to make my jacque for this summer

[terse bronze]

hauberk is english

I meant in french

pain au chocolat...

[robust tendon]

ye maybe that shoulda been obvious

[terse bronze]

one day in the old times I posted this pic in a chiv2 discord channel

then received a dm

[turbid shadow]

LOL

[robust tendon]

HAHAHA

also unfluted german(maybe) armor!!!

[fleet junco]

Halfsword irl

[turbid shadow]

uh

[fleet junco]

Wha a yt

[turbid shadow]

are you sure about the date

[fleet junco]

Nah, too lazy to research about it

[turbid shadow]

this doesn't seem correct at all

please spend time researching on things

[terse bronze]

french armor lesgoooooo!!!!!:!!!::ù:!:;;;lmllmreeglreg

[fleet junco]

Too hard

I mean too long and boring

[turbid shadow]

don't send anything here again pls

[fleet junco]

Noooooo

[fleet junco]

I promiseill do my research

[sullen charm]

lil kiss

[civic glade]

The fluting the shoulders is scrumptious

[lost zealot]

what is the right guy wearing ? a bascinet or an armet ?

[terse bronze]

Armet

as you can see with the cheek hinges and the tight neck

[lost zealot]

oh, i thought it was a bascinet cuz its kinda look like this

[terse bronze]

that's a really ugly example

and it just has the "same" visor which doesn't matter anyway, visors don't make the helmet

[lost zealot]

i found it on google

[lost zealot]

ok

thx for the info

[lost zealot]

so this is armet ?

[terse bronze]

Yes

[lost zealot]

wow

gorgeous

[terse bronze]

you have a pin here to open it

[lost zealot]

to open the face part ?

[terse bronze]

like that yes

[lost zealot]

oooh

[lost zealot]

how about the sallet, is that the german or the italian one ?

[stuck pelican]

It always feels unsettling seeing the armor like this

[terse bronze]

hard to see from this angle but look "german" (but still could be italian made and exported to the germanic lands)

[stuck pelican]

Helmet on the left is German I think

[lost zealot]

ooh ok

[stuck pelican]

I didn’t know the Italians made like German style armor and then sent it off to their lands

[terse bronze]

Alla tedesca tehe

But yes they very much did

[stuck pelican]

I really enjoy seeing those Italian barbutes

[terse bronze]

the typical "italian sallet" wasn't even worn by italians, it was an export piece for western european countries, especially france

[stuck pelican]

If that’s the right name I’m thinking of

[terse bronze]

what helmet are you talking about

[stuck pelican]

Can you show me a image of what you’re specifically talking about

[stuck pelican]

Let me find 1

These

[terse bronze]

ah yes

[terse bronze]

these

[stuck pelican]

They are just so pleasant to see

[lost zealot]

so is it german or italian?

[turbid shadow]

it'll be in the next update hopefully

[terse bronze]

When looking at sources it's actually pretty rare to see italians with visored sallets like that, but it's plentiful in western euro countries

[terse bronze]

This one is italian made for export

[stuck pelican]

Simply wonderful

[lost zealot]

they look beautifull for sure

[terse bronze]

yes

[stuck pelican]

I really love those like pointy faced Milanese armets

Milanese harnesses have to be some of my favorite

[terse bronze]

Important to note that countries didn't always rely on italian exports ofc, france, germany ect had their own smithing workshops ect

[lost zealot]

would adding this type of armor be a great idea ?

[turbid shadow]

very late

[terse bronze]

Out of the timeframe of the game

[lost zealot]

ok

i kinda like the design tho

[terse bronze]

it's dope

[stuck pelican]

I remember the French had the most brute weapons ever

[terse bronze]

lance?

[lost zealot]

yuh uh

[stuck pelican]

Literally a two hand stick with a falchion on the end

Like what the hell is that

[terse bronze]

Oh glaive

everyone had that

[stuck pelican]

how about a MASSIVE machete

(Falchion)

these guys were mental

[terse bronze]

but everyone had these

[stuck pelican]

Im talking like the stick is maybe a couple feet

Not like.. polearm

[terse bronze]

Ah yes faussart

[turbid shadow]

the long

[stuck pelican]

I don’t recall the name of that

[terse bronze]

faussart, fauchard, glaive it goes by a bazillion name

[stuck pelican]

ahh

Why did they even have something like this

I always saw them in art inside buildings

[terse bronze]

again france wasn't the only place where you find these

[stuck pelican]

I thought those weird short stick blade things were a French exclusive

[turbid shadow]

I still find it silly that there were really long polearms like this

[terse bronze]

no they just appear on the most well known manuscript, which happen to be french

spain

[stuck pelican]

Got images of like some French and other obscure ones?

[terse bronze]

england

[stuck pelican]

Ohh

[terse bronze]

germany

france

you're thinking about this one

[lost zealot]

found this guy in this armor, and it look dope

[bright token]

Sick weapon

[turbid shadow]

we'll have heroic stuff in the game, yes

[terse bronze]

there's a theory that I like saying those big ass falchion styled weapon are derived from big ass butcher cleavers turned war-weapons

[lost zealot]

you sure ?

[stuck pelican]

Reminds me of that one African like weird sword thing

[lost zealot]

if yes, ZAMN i cant wait for that coming

[turbid shadow]

yea

well it won't be in the next update

but it will come later

[lost zealot]

ooooh, that would be nice

[terse bronze]

hi

[bright token]

are these within the fame time frame or is it the german armour too near the end of 15th century?

[turbid shadow]

they are

[lost zealot]

talking about armor, would the dev add russian armor ?

[terse bronze]

right one isn't german

[lost zealot]

like this one?

[turbid shadow]

oh boy

that one is like

really early

[terse bronze]

I LOVE RUS FACEMASKS YAAAAA

[bright token]

I use Francois’s (the man who made that helm) sallets as reference a lot

[terse bronze]

Larcheveque hehe

[lost zealot]

YAAAAAA

[bright token]

My goat fr

[terse bronze]

But they unfortunately don't fit the game

[lost zealot]

why ?

[terse bronze]

Out of date and space

[lost zealot]

😭

[terse bronze]

like iicr half sword focuses on western europe

[bright token]

What about this one?

[terse bronze]

french (or burgundian, same difference)

[lost zealot]

so does the medieval europe has its own helmet with human faces ?

[terse bronze]

concept of my 14thc rus dreamkit, having a friend artist of mine (who made my pfp) drawing it rn

[bright token]

I can’t wait to fight german full harness

[terse bronze]

Not really

[lost zealot]

wait

[lost zealot]

how about this ?

[turbid shadow]

late

[terse bronze]

That's too late for the game

[lost zealot]

oh yeah, ive just read the date 🤣

[bright token]

Is corrazina too early for the game?

[terse bronze]

yes

[bright token]

Aw man

[turbid shadow]

you'll probably see 14th cent shit as dlc

the game was supposed to be 14th century but was later changed to 15th cent

[lost zealot]

how about brigadine ?

[bright token]

So i might get to wear these right 🥹

[turbid shadow]

fits

[turbid shadow]

Maybe, let them finish the game first

[lost zealot]

does brigadine fit for the 1400s ?

[terse bronze]

yes

[lost zealot]

yay

[terse bronze]

corazzina would fit is the timeframe of the game was a tad earlier

[turbid shadow]

the game was supposed to be 1420-1480 i recall

but they moved it up to 1430-1480

[terse bronze]

Wait i'm thinking about something rq

[lost zealot]

what is it

found this, was this supposed to be a knight helmet ?

or no ?

[terse bronze]

1434

that's really the closest to a corazzina you'll get

[turbid shadow]

worth it

[terse bronze]

the line between brigandine and corrazzina is blurry as fuck, some corrazz are called brigs and vice versa

[terse bronze]

wtf is that lmao

[turbid shadow]

i do wonder if there are any surviving examples of bascinets on 1430

[lost zealot]

ive read the description and it says, "mask of shame"

[terse bronze]

like technically since this had larger plates on the chest it's still can be called corrazzina (small cuirass in italian)

[bright token]

Is this one of those regional terminology moment

Like glaive and voulge ☠️

[terse bronze]

Yes but no

[bright token]

Thank god

[terse bronze]

iicr all glaives are vouge but not all vouges are glaives

el classico

[lost zealot]

so is that an mask piece for a knight ? or just a random photo i found in the internet ?

[terse bronze]

looks like a random thing

[bright token]

I had headache learning that what I thought is called a polehammer is actually called a pollaxe too so I’m kinda getting used to this sort of thing

[lost zealot]

farewell

[terse bronze]

If you wanna call polehammers a different thing you can call them falcon's beak

[turbid shadow]

that's such a badass name

[terse bronze]

out of the rare secondary names for them, this one is the most used

[terse bronze]

it's also 17-18thc apparently

[lost zealot]

what is it used for ?

[terse bronze]

Shame mask

[bright token]

Bossk I got one more question hope you dont mind answering

[terse bronze]

of course

[bright token]

These were wore in France alongside imported german and italian armour right?

[terse bronze]

1 and 3 yes, second not really

[lost zealot]

i know it was a shame mask but wht does people use it for ? making a shame toward a person ?

[terse bronze]

Second is what's called all'antica (or heroic), it's pretty much fantasy but how they did it in the 15thc. french speaking lands (that being said, it's not impossible to wear it, one of the common feature of this style and place is to be pretty functional, but either way it wouldn't be worn as a war gear for the most part)

[terse bronze]

When someone was miscounducting in public authorities would make that person wear that mask as humiliation for their behaviour

[lost zealot]

oooh i see, i see

[bright token]

Thank you for the answer! I’m so happy to find a french style harness

[lost zealot]

the description of this photo was called "painted sallet" and what type of sallet is this ?

[terse bronze]

Owl face sallet

[lost zealot]

owl ? doesnt seem like it

[bright token]

1490s stuff right?

[lost zealot]

maybe ?

[terse bronze]

np, important to note that the first is also called english contidental, so from english occupied parts of france, but Tobias Capwell is of the opinion to call it western euro armor, or french

[terse bronze]

late 90s - early 1500

[terse bronze]

The paint is whatever, the helmet itself is often called owlface

[lost zealot]

oooh ok

[stuck pelican]

@terse bronze this is unrelated to the channel, but how do you know fdserbia and fanda

[terse bronze]

doesn't ring a bell

[bright token]

The cuisse is fascinating

[stuck pelican]

Hmm..

[terse bronze]

more example of it

[lost zealot]

nice

is this the shield that already exist in game ?

[bright token]

I might draw the french style armour but with rivet connecting the breastplate and plackart together not sure if it would function in real life or not lol

[terse bronze]

it could

most german armors still got placards but with a rivet instead

[bright token]

Yeah, and then there is also german armour that connect the two parts with leather strap like how Italian armourers like to do lol

Beautiful

Im not sure if the leather strap here is for connecting the bevor or the plackart but it looks cool

[lost zealot]

damn, medieval folks were WILD

[terse bronze]

erm that's not medieval ☝️🤓

[lost zealot]

then wat is it 🤓

[terse bronze]

Early modern

(or renaisance but i really don't like calling a whole period by an artistic movement)

but ig renaissance

[stuck pelican]

Is that thing DENTED?

[lost zealot]

even tho it was early modern, they will always remain in my heart

[terse bronze]

where?

[stuck pelican]

The top left is curved in

[terse bronze]

that's just cuz it's old

it just happen

[lost zealot]

russian and german style combined ?

[terse bronze]

you find this style from the baltics to poland even

[pastel lodge]

early modern is 16th to 17th
renaissance is 15th to 16th

according to wikipedia

[terse bronze]

wikipedia trusted source

[terse bronze]

hahahaha

[lost zealot]

reminds me of the head crab thing from that one alien movie (NOT HALF LIFE)

damn, i wish the dev add this armor (Jack chain) as an early form of protection, but the fact that it was made during the 15th century just make me sad 😭

[robust tendon]

...why? the game is 15th century. 1430-1480

[lost zealot]

i mean, it was used during the 1500s in england

[bright token]

I’m pretty sure it was used in 15th century too so your wish might come true 😄

[lost zealot]

Yay

im happy now

[lost zealot]

hmm, reminds me of

this dude

[bright token]

Here’s some dudes wearing jack chain

[lost zealot]

these folks look awesome

[lost zealot]

what was the 4th guy wearing on his chest ? a brigadine or smth ?

[robust tendon]

it was also used way before that

15th century is 1400-1499

16th century is 1500-1599

[bright token]

I’m not sure but it could be a fantasy brigandine

Medieval artists also love to draw fantasy too lol

[lost zealot]

yeah, dragons, serpent and stuff

[runic tartan]

Real

[stuck pelican]

Lobster neck!

[terse bronze]

He's wearing a [REDACTED]

[terse bronze]

what's the sauce?

[lost zealot]

oh, wow i sure like the R̷̎̍É̸̀D̷͋̕Ä̵́̓C̴̀͐T̷̊̕É̸̀D̷͋̕ armor :3

[ionic creek]

this would look so cool if it werent black

[terse bronze]

1480-1490

[fleet junco]

Is that armor

[terse bronze]

no it's the new burger from mcdonalds

[robust tendon]

no idea, found it in another server

[torpid urchin]

Holy articulation

[vocal vale]

a corazzina

basically just a different looking brigandine

if im not mistaken it had larger plates

[robust tendon]

it did

two in the front iirc, then smaller conjoined plates in the backplate

the one in the depiction he’s talking about likely isn’t a coza though

probably just a fancy covered breastplate

it fell out of use after the 14th century ish

Probably long gone by the time you see bicoques show up

[vocal vale]

bicoques are shown in fiore di battaglia which is late 1300s early 1400s

[robust tendon]

in any case this isn't a coza

[vocal vale]

it's from a painting about christ so it's probably intentionally fancy and weird

[hallow hearth]

does anybody have references for how sword scabbards would be holstered onto a belt

1480s era

[bright token]

Late form of kastenbrust armour & corrazina based on statue of st.George

https://youtu.be/x6yrJ4zOSXg?si=QKC8SiJ7oQstk0pR here’s vid of making the corrazina

[hybrid heath]

What game is that?

[tiny valve]

Bloody Badtard

Bastard

[lost zealot]

yooo

[terse bronze]

the pollaxe rack

[terse bronze]

Armors just tend to be called corazzinas over brigandines when they have larger plates on the chest, even during the 15thc. But that being said it's pretty rare, even 14thc. "corazzinas" were mostly called brigandines

[violet pelican]

i remember playing this on my old huawei phone (i had a p30 but upgraded to iphone 11)

[pseudo depot]

Someone gotta add the MF DOOM mask fr

[terse bronze]

No

[lost zealot]

out of date, this game was set during the 15th century, and the mask was all the way on the future during 2000s

[lost zealot]

so, youre not playing it anymore ?

[violet pelican]

nope, might start again because its fun

[lost zealot]

ye

[fleet junco]

Creazy

[wispy jungle]

The drip on this armor is insane

[torpid urchin]

Real

[fleet badger]

yes

[fleet badger]

"erm it has to be realistic to be fun 🤓"

as an easter egg ye would be cool

[terse bronze]

Idiotpilled dumbassmaxxin

[torpid urchin]

whats with the shield in this image?

[vocal vale]

just a wack bouche shield

i've never seen another like it, it may just be a weird misinterpretation

though i wouldnt doubt the possibility of it being real

[robust tendon]

me at the function

[white fulcrum]

no one said that retard

[turbid shadow]

that has to be the worst idea for an Easter egg lol

[fleet badger]

mans was an icon in the rap community

i dont see why itd be a bad idea lol

someone will prob make a mod anyways

[turbid shadow]

what does half sword have to do with rap

yeah just because someone was an icon doesn't warrant anything being added on half sword

[robust tendon]

C. 1450-1470

[robust tendon]

C. 1470-75

[void stream]

imagine how comfortable that is

[pseudo depot]

thats what im saying

[pseudo depot]

not really

its a metal mask anyway

who gives a fuck

even if it got added which it obvs wont

no one finna look at that and think

"unrealistic im deleting this game!"

[lost zealot]

here comes the drama

[pseudo depot]

I was just giving an idea then these sour melts gotta say something

[terse bronze]

Why do you want it added then

[pseudo depot]

im saying who gives a fuck if its a rappers mask

[terse bronze]

What does it have to do with the game

[pseudo depot]

sort of mask yu would see in this game anyway

[terse bronze]

Also thought it was the "Gladiator" movie mask

[pseudo depot]

its a mask that protects your face

[terse bronze]

How?

[terse bronze]

Should we add those black basilistic masks too

[pseudo depot]

it would be like one of these masks

[pseudo depot]

im just saying it would be pretty cool to have in the game

obvs not gonna get added

[lost zealot]

yeah its cool dawg

[terse bronze]

Nah it wouldnt

[pseudo depot]

but i was saying a idea

[lost zealot]

yeah ofc

[pseudo depot]

calm down my friend

try calm your feelings and express yourself

[terse bronze]

Can't be more chill than i am rn tbh

[lost zealot]

even a good idea would be judged

[terse bronze]

Next step is falling asleep

[pseudo depot]

goodnight bucko

[terse bronze]

It's noon

[pseudo depot]

thanks for the info

[pseudo depot]

yeah i was just saying sum i think would be cool to add

[lost zealot]

kinda good idea, but its up to the dev adding it or not,

[pseudo depot]

i understand why people dont want it added

Long time apart

[terse bronze]

Also looks ass tbh

[pseudo depot]

like your fatass

[turbid shadow]

it’s just stupid to add a rappers mask on the game for absolutely no reason

This isn’t hard to understand

[pseudo depot]

who are you lil bro

like i said it was a idea

calm down

[turbid shadow]

what is it with you thinking everyone is mad

[pseudo depot]

because it was an idea

[turbid shadow]

no one is mad

we just think its stupid

end of story

[pseudo depot]

great

thanks for your opinion

[pastel lodge]

relevance aside this is a really shitty easter egg

gg

[pseudo depot]

instead of judging why dont you go outside and try lose some weight

[pastel lodge]

i am nearly underweight

[terse bronze]

You're the one asking for a mid rapper mask to be added to a game

[pastel lodge]

losing more weight would not do me any good

[terse bronze]

tomato gon die

[tight sand]

tomato dont die plz

[robust tendon]

lmao

[tight sand]

how tf u connected these two things lol. It just doesn't make sense

[robust tendon]

classic cope response

YEAH WELL YOU’RE FAT

[tight sand]

crecy

sorry

[robust tendon]

wuh

[tight sand]

but u are fat go outside

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[tight sand]

....................

[robust tendon]

lol

said “lil bro”

[pseudo depot]

fucking hell you are miserable

[tight sand]

sure

[tight sand]

hahahaha

[pseudo depot]

i said an idea and your all sour asf

[tight sand]

u are the one who tried to offend

[robust tendon]

yeah

[pseudo depot]

nah not really

[robust tendon]

zero self awareness

[pseudo depot]

i said an idea

[robust tendon]

Bro you called the people who disagreed with you fat

[pseudo depot]

nah they couldve just said they dont agree

[robust tendon]

that’s what they did

dinglebob

[pseudo depot]

yeah alright

[tight sand]

and some people made arguments why it is not a good idea lmao. It calls discussion

[terse bronze]

But it does

[robust tendon]

it does yes

[pseudo depot]

great

[robust tendon]

look bad

[pseudo depot]

thanks for that info guys

[robust tendon]

np

[tight sand]

https://tenor.com/view/윰-애교-gif-7769183593707445172

[terse bronze]

np come over whenever you want

[pseudo depot]

wasted few seconds of my life reading that

[robust tendon]

then go do something else dingus

[tight sand]

https://tenor.com/view/saber-i-cried-about-it-fate-gif-22800787

[robust tendon]

who is forcing you to engage in this

[tight sand]

damn they are hot asf

[pseudo depot]

legit just said an idea 😭

[robust tendon]

nah this is

bro got the sun necklace

[tight sand]

its the guy with greatbascinet ?

[robust tendon]

maybe

[pseudo depot]

this really matches the game style!

[robust tendon]

The harness does look similar

[tight sand]

yeah

[pseudo depot]

level 100 boss

fr

[tight sand]

bro is trying hard to bait

[robust tendon]

bait used to be believable smh

[pseudo depot]

nah these just some good ideas im spitting

[robust tendon]

uhhhh musee de l’Armee?

idk i think i saw some shields like that from there

[terse bronze]

No it's uhhhh

[turbid shadow]

“let me use ai to make ugly armor so I can get my imaginary W” lol

[terse bronze]

fuck I forgo

in germany

[robust tendon]

he forgor

[terse bronze]

Dresden i think

[tight sand]

forgog

[tight sand]

where they used for combat or just decoration ?

[terse bronze]

Combat

[robust tendon]

yeah combat

[tight sand]

damn

[robust tendon]

no reason they would be only decorative

[tight sand]

they look cool asf

[robust tendon]

fancy ≠ decorative always

they are really nice yeah

[pastel lodge]

this is the type of person who brings out the crying wojak

[turbid shadow]

*** 15th century France, BNF Francais 102 - Tristan ***

[robust tendon]

good stuff

[humble pagoda]

How were joust shields attached to the arm?

[terse bronze]

With a guige

[copper nova]

Am I the only one who thinks this type of kit is way better looking than just full suits of armour?

[terse bronze]

It depends imo

some complete harnesses can be extremely good looking

It really depends on your own preferences, like my pfp (franco-burgundian light cavalryman)

But then stuff like this harness ? Absolute beauty

[copper nova]

Personally I find that stuff like this is cooler than the other stuff you just sent

[terse bronze]

fair yeah

[copper nova]

Less practical I know but in terms of looks better

[terse bronze]

It's not less practical no

it's absolutely perfect for the role the guy has

Less protective, sure but it is very practical

[copper nova]

I forget there are roles apart from just a foot soldier lol

Forgive me if it's a dumb question because I know very little about medieval stuff, but wouldn't it be better as a cavalry unit to have leg armour too?
Like surely if you charge at a block of dudes your legs would be the first thing to get hacked up, right?

[terse bronze]

In spirit yes but there's also multiple factors to take into consideration like roles (light cavs would probably be in less harsh charges then the heavy ones) , ease of carry (the armors), cost and maintenance ect

Even personal preferences

Pure french light cavalrymen were asked to have leg armor iicr but for burgundians it was up to preferences

And if you look at the famous german light cavalry you often see no leg armor, maille "strips" sewn on hosens, and sometimes cuisses

[copper nova]

I see, fair enough

I guess also if you've got a lance many will die before they can even reach your legs

[stuck pelican]

Projectiles 😈

[white fulcrum]

oh my god that jester looks dope asf

[turbid shadow]

Yes, very fancy

[turbid shadow]

Art by eol

[copper nova]

You reckon the dued on the left would die from that? At least not in the long term?

[terse bronze]

Nah he probably wouldn't

[golden ingot]

Considering the time period, he definitely could, sepsis for long term, suffocation from bleeding from his facial artery and vein, along with choking on bone or teeth, as a combatant if you could hold him down in a supine position he would most definitely die of suffocation.

[terse bronze]

As if they didn't know how to treat wounds

especially rather "superficial" one like cheeks

[copper nova]

I hadn't even considered the fact that he could choke on blood or teeth

I think with adrenaline or whatnot he'd prolly be overall fine in the short term

Depends how angry he is though, who knows maybe he'd fall over and give up lol

[sullen charm]

over sized toothpick

[tiny valve]

Tournament armor?

[terse bronze]

only the helmet really

[tiny valve]

Wdym

[terse bronze]

the rest of the armor isn't specifically "tournament" only

Only the helmet which is a frogmouth really is almost purely a tournament piece

[tiny valve]

Ye

Oh

How do we call it?

Idk his name but i like his designs

[terse bronze]

"""""brigandine with placard"""""

[robust tendon]

more likely a covered bp under placard

[terse bronze]

(reproduction of what is most likely a covered breastplate with a placard)

[robust tendon]

ye

[tiny valve]

nice

thc

[turbid shadow]

Tried searching for more stuff that fits the time period for this game, all of this is from Eol.

[vocal vale]

dayum i wanna draw like him so bad

genuinely a master at the craft

[turbid shadow]

you'll get at it soon if you practice enough

[vocal vale]

it always makes me really happy whenever i see my favorite artists in the flesh because i realize they're like adult men who have been practicing for years and its okay that im not a master at it yet

[golden ingot]

To this day people still die from septic shock, and suffocation from blood, if he was in combat I doubt his combatant would simply allow him to point his head down to allow the blood to drain from his airway

[golden ingot]

He was active in the Manor Lords discord not too long ago

[vocal vale]

he did concept art for the game iirc

[bright token]

Eol my goat

[bright token]

I like the pointy sallet in the last picture, is this from French manuscript?

[white fulcrum]

yes, it's french

[bright token]

nice

[bright token]

Have to draw a knight wearing one lol

[copper nova]

What is the name of that curvy shield in the fifth drawing?

[robust tendon]

pavise

[terse bronze]

gotta post his magnum opus.. (link to the mega thread: https://twitter.com/Eol4242/status/1653764675253805059)

[lost zealot]

moai armor

[terse bronze]

aw hell naw

[lost zealot]

probably it was used for buhurt or smth

but it look cool ngl

its a gladiator stuff

[terse bronze]

it's "supposed" to be a Crupellarius (Gladiator fom gaul) but all the repros are based on one(1) statue that is in pretty bad shape so

[lost zealot]

the first full body protected armor i guess

[terse bronze]

And the statue in question isn't clearly related to gladiatorial games really afaik so it's pretty much all conjecture

[lost zealot]

so was the armor im showing was used for some kind of reenactment or smth ?

[terse bronze]

maybe

[lost zealot]

hey ! i found the other image, i think its trully was a reenactment

[terse bronze]

there's no source on what it looked like, how he fought or what was his weapons apparently

so uhhh

yeah

[lost zealot]

damn, its such a shame if they never recorded it

anyways, yo @terse bronze i found this statue (probably from a german cathedral or a museum idk) and can you tell me what type armor he's wearing ?

[terse bronze]

That's from Maximilian I mausoleum (there's other cool statues) and it's fantasy

(made in the 16thc,but fantasy nonetheless)

Still has "realistic" elements such as the hounskull armet, the hourglass gaunts, the "kastenbrust" looking armor ect

Iicr it represent of of Maximilian's relatives

[lost zealot]

this is kastenbrust right ?

[terse bronze]

Yes

hate this harness tho his previous was much better

but he insisted on making it himself

ig this version without the tonlet isn't sooo bad but gosh

[robust tendon]

what the fuck is this shit

[lost zealot]

he made a previous one ?

image ?

[robust tendon]

christ on a bike

[lost zealot]

idk, but i found it randomly

[robust tendon]

it’s awful, subjectively and historically

people buy this stuff

[lost zealot]

i know

[terse bronze]

no he commissioned one before I don't have it on me rn but it was with a fluted kasten

[lost zealot]

at least the kids were smiling watching him fight to death

[terse bronze]

nvm found it

[terse bronze]

(right one is another previous one)

[lost zealot]

does he have an social media acc ?

[robust tendon]

yeah that’s good shit

way better

[terse bronze]

nuhuh

[lost zealot]

aww

😭

[terse bronze]

like e got a discord account but i never talk to him

[robust tendon]

his leg harness in the left one is fucky though

Looks poorly fitted

[terse bronze]

yeah could be better

[lost zealot]

finally, smth that does not burn my eyes

[robust tendon]

yeah this is a great sallet

looks late for the game though

usually this kind of richly engraved museum stuff is like 16th century but that’s personal experience

[terse bronze]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/789401 yep

[fleet junco]

Hiii

[bright token]

Nice stuff

Btw did anyone know where did 13th century coat of plates first appeared or mentioned? Was in Germany, Italy or France??

[turbid shadow]

not sure if I posted this before

[neat zephyr]

What is the helmet type on the first pic?

[bright token]

I think that’s either a great bascinet or bicoque helm but im not sure

[robust tendon]

it is a bicoque

[neat zephyr]

Ahhh never knew bicoque before. The chin part is interesting

[robust tendon]

you can see by the tight neck

bicoques are armets, just a different form

[bright token]

Thx for confirming

[robust tendon]

also the chin

[neat zephyr]

Idk if it'll be super uncomfortable because your head is stuck at one direction

[robust tendon]

you can see articulation at his neck

You only lose neck mobility in the case of great bascinets, which are secured to the cuirass

as you can see here

the protection of these are unmatched, though

It was up to the man at arm’s preferences

[neat zephyr]

I love the bicoque aesthetic. Looks sleek

Actually kinda reminds me of Black Noir from The Boys

[terse bronze]

i will kill everyone in this channel and eat their flesh

[copper nova]

🙁

[robust tendon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/873989925484253226/1240744975453392997/nahh.gif

even me

[sullen charm]

burn this channel. start over

we've gone too deep.

[robust tendon]

i don’t get it

[stuck pelican]

[sullen charm]

woah half sword its so popular they added Willie to real life?????????

[torpid urchin]

is that the knight from fortnite

these mfs copying fortnite

[flat warren]

what

[lost zealot]

cat armor

[torpid urchin]

Who pinged me twice in #art-🎨

[turbid shadow]

"1452 - 'The Last Judgment' (Petrus Christus), Brugge, Gemäldegalerie, Berlin, Germany"

"1460 - 'Deliverance of St. Peter' (design maybe by Jacques Daret), Tournai (?), Cathédrale, Beauvais, dép. Oise, Musée de Cluny, Paris, France"

"1451-1454 - 'St. Maurice' (André Robin), Cathédrale Saint-Maurice, Angers, dép. Maine-et-Loire, France"

"1462-1465 - 'panel of the Altarpiece of Saint Bernard and the Guardian Angel' (Jaume Huguet), Barcelona, Museu de la Catedral, Catedral, Barcelona, Spain"

1458-1480 - 'Resurrection of Christ' (Tomás Giner), Zaragoza, Museu Frederic Marès, Barcelona, Spain

"1464-1468 - 'Meeting of Abraham and Melchizedek, Altarpiece of the Holy Sacrament' (Dieric (Dirk) Bouts), Sint-Pieterskerk, Leuven, province of Flemish Brabant, Belgium"

"1466 - 'Triumph scene, panel of a marriage chest (cassone)' (circle of Giovanni di Ser Giovanni 'lo Scheggia'), Firenze, Musée des Arts Décoratifs, Paris, France"

[bright token]

Flemish style harness?

Doesn’t look like typical german armour to be🤷‍♂️

[turbid shadow]

half true

it could be flemish, not sure tho

1477 - ''Battle of Grandson, 1476', Conrad Pfettisheim, Geschichte Peter Hagenbachs und der Burgunderkriege' (Strasbourg Monogrammist B.), Strasbourg, Dr. Jörn Günther Rare Books (Stalden (Sarnen) & Basel, Switzerland), TEFAF, Maastricht, Netherlands

1480 - 'The Legend of St. Lucy' (Master of the Legend of St. Lucy (François vanden Pitte?)), Brugge, Sint-Jakobskerk, Brugge, province of West Flanders, Belgium

1480 - 'Adriaan Reins and St. Adrian' (Hans Memling), Memlingmuseum, Sint-Janshospitaal, Brugge, province of West Flanders, Belgium

1484 - 'Jean de Mandeville, Reysen und wanderschafften durch das Gelobte land', Strasbourg, Museum Schnütgen, Cologne, Germany

1487 - 'St. George' (Hans Traut), Augustinerkirche, Nürnberg, Germanisches Nationalmuseum, Nürnberg, Bayern, Germany

1488 - 'Vergilius, ritualised humiliaton of rebellious Ghentians by a duke of Burgundy, maybe Philip the Good', Bruges, Ms. 9, fol. 258v, cathedral, Ghent, STAM, Ghent, Belgium

before 1489 - 'St. Ursula Shrine' (Hans Memling), Memlingmuseum, Sint-Janshospitaal, Brugge, province of West Flanders, Belgium

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"1496 - 'St. George, Magdalenen-Altar' (Lichtenthaler Meister), Klosterkirche, Fürstenkapelle, Kloster Lichtenthal, Baden-Baden, Baden-Württemberg, Germany" interesting harness that's a tad bit too late for the game

honestly I think I should make a thread that covers a lot of stuff that's on the 1490s-1520

ca. 1450 - 'Passion triptych', South German, Historisches Museum, Bamberg, Bayern, Germany

ca. 1450-1460 - 'devotional painting ('Andachtsbild') with 12 scenes from the Life of Christ', Cologne, Wallraf-Richartz-Museum, Cologne, Germany