references♥_1450-1470

[fleet junco]

I like the full place face thing

[ripe hedge]

[molten sage]

Sick ass helmet

[ripe hedge]

Thank you. Based off of real viking spectacle helmets :)

With the exception of the faceplated one lol

Creative liberties took hold

[thick river]

would love some anglo saxon stuff too

[ripe hedge]

Saxons 🤮

Something I never got to make was nasal helms and whatnot. I kept forgetting lol

[stuck pelican]

not really about the reference, i just though the clothes on the horse was funny looking

@sullen charm Didnt they blindfold horses because if they got scared or something they could fling the rider off

I remember hearing the horses were blinded by a cloth and just controlled by the rider

[sullen charm]

During jousts iicr that sometimes happened

not in war tho

the horse is trained

[stuck pelican]

Ah

I feel bad for like..

The horses and stuff

[grand flax]

huh

why do you feel bad for the horse

btw would be cool if we had wolfribs

used that helmet myself and can say that its overpowered irl

[stuck pelican]

because theyre just animals which graze

made to fight

[grand flax]

i think its alright

[sullen charm]

honse

[stuck pelican]

@grand flax go to #general-catfish-🐱🐟 and lets debate

[sullen charm]

Not 100% historical + out of period anyway

[grand flax]

it is historical

[sullen charm]

The only sources showing such helmets are fantastical

There's also no surviving pieces or any other depiction of them in other contexts

[grand flax]

it is widely accepted around the world that it is historical

[sullen charm]

By the buhurt community*

[grand flax]

that's why they allow people to use them in the HMB tournaments

yes

[stuck pelican]

Accepted and actual proof is two different things

[sullen charm]

And buhurt isn't historical and doesn't use historical gear

whats a buhurt

[grand flax]

it does

[sullen charm]

It doesn't

[smoky topaz]

they used blinders, not blindfolds

[sullen charm]

Historically inspired ? Sure

[smoky topaz]

butthurt without the tts

[sullen charm]

ok

[grand flax]

idk if i want to argue with you

[sullen charm]

Ok!

[grand flax]

i know i was getting my points subtracted for wearing not historical shoes

[stuck pelican]

Bossk is the craziest history guy we have

I don’t think you CAN argue with him and he knows about everything

[grand flax]

ik about buhurt tournaments

[smoky topaz]

does he know about medieval fight club

[sullen charm]

you speld boss wrong

[smoky topaz]

i bet he dont

[sullen charm]

you spelld dont wronk

We don't talk about the fight club

(1480-1485 France, BNF Français 22971 - Le secret de l'histoire naturelle)

guh??

[grand flax]

RAHHHHH

[sullen charm]

who

[stuck pelican]

London’s finest

[smoky topaz]

garsh darn he DOES know

[grand flax]

lmao

[sullen charm]

is that mrbeast in the back

[grand flax]

masturbeast

[stuck pelican]

What year was it when.. people know how to make an actual fist

[sullen charm]

now

i'm the right blue pavese on the wall

im the

[grand flax]

london gang

don't mess with us

[sullen charm]

who

say the full name and address of everyone in the photo

London McEngland on the far right

[stuck pelican]

don’t get near us*

[grand flax]

nuhuh

[stuck pelican]

You guys are sweaty nerds!!!

[grand flax]

thats me lmao

[grand flax]

piggyface

[stuck pelican]

the nub

[sullen charm]

fav armet design

[tight sand]

its op now cuz u guys are not stubbing each other

[grand flax]

i bet you can't see shit in it hHAHAHA

[tight sand]

damn armet at its peak

[grand flax]

looks cool but not super effective

i bet hard to breathe too

[sullen charm]

🤦‍♂️

[stuck pelican]

For me it’s the Italian ones

Wrong image

[tight sand]

all armets are great tbh

[sullen charm]

This one's technically italian but I bet you're talking about the later one

Yeah it's such a classic it's very nice

[stuck pelican]

The peak knightly helmet

[stuck pelican]

I want these in half sword very dearly

[sullen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-face-cat-meme-cat-puke-cat-vomit-cat-coughing-meme-gif-22332765

[grand flax]

idc how it looks tbh

it is effective

[stuck pelican]

That is the ugliest helmet I’ve ever seen

[grand flax]

sugarloaf is uglier

[sullen charm]

Effective for bashing each others in the face senseless maybe

[grand flax]

that's how the battle goes

[stuck pelican]

It’s atleast a classic

[sullen charm]

Real battlefields weren't buhurt matches.

[grand flax]

i know duh

[sullen charm]

Also the armet I posted is obviously a cavalry helmet primordially

[tight sand]

Buhurt is not real it is still amazing btw but the difference are to big

even in the weigh of weapon

[grand flax]

you are still getting hit in the face with polearms

[tight sand]

Buhurt weapons are to heavy

they meant to do big bonk

[stuck pelican]

How much do they weigh

[grand flax]

🤔 heavier for sure but not so heavy

[stuck pelican]

Actually, how do they even differ?

Buhurt and a true battle field

[grand flax]

let me kg->lbs

sec

[stuck pelican]

Of course on the real field they die

Ok go to like #general-catfish-🐱🐟

[grand flax]

4.5 lb falchion LMAO

[stuck pelican]

We’re not posting really references anymore

[grand flax]

yes

[grand flax]

nvm 3-4

[sullen charm]

Buhurt armor is different and thicker, you're also not trying to kill eachothers or wrestle with weapons, you're also not allowed certain type of armors, can't lift your visor ..

[tight sand]

they are heavier and bigger meant to big bonk while real weapons are meant to some fencing

[stuck pelican]

#general-catfish-🐱🐟

[sullen charm]

Buhurt is a cool sport but even historical buhurt is extremely different from what's done today

[grand flax]

tbh im trying to kill the opponent

and we also wrestle with weapons

its really hard to kill someone like that so you always go 100%

[stuck pelican]

hit them on the back of the head 5 times

[tight sand]

but its is different. Idk it is like compare airsoft and real battle

[grand flax]

happens all the time

[grand flax]

airsoft is too different from shooting a real weapon

lets go to offtopic

[stuck pelican]

brain damage must prevail

[sullen charm]

Also can't use certain weapons, I have yet to see buhurters use pollaxes, spears, longswords (But they can't use it because stabs are prohibited)

[sullen charm]

this tbh

[stuck pelican]

Actually

[grand flax]

greatswords are used

poleaxes too

[stuck pelican]

Why don’t they use pole arms

I want to see like a giant mace or something

[grand flax]

eveningstar

[stuck pelican]

I just see them use short axes

[stuck pelican]

Same shit different toilet

[sullen charm]

I've seen them use bardiches and axes but yknow, just your average beating the shit out of each other

[stuck pelican]

I love bardiches

[grand flax]

we use halberds yeah

longswords too but unpopular

[sullen charm]

Unlike on a battlefield

[stuck pelican]

Why so?

[tight sand]

cuz no point

[stuck pelican]

I’m guessing because you can’t use the point of it

[tight sand]

with the sowrd u have a point a the ability to control every inch of the weapon

u dont need this in bohurt

[grand flax]

spears are used in 1x1s

[tight sand]

u need bonk and axe is the best for bonk

[sullen charm]

Harnischfechten (even tho taking a few liberties) is still way more historical since it's the main focus

Not saying buhurt is trash, it's a fun sport

[tight sand]

buhurt is amazing

[sullen charm]

but ppl need to stop claiming it's historical

[stuck pelican]

we have yet to go to off-topic

[grand flax]

Harnischfechten?

[tight sand]

Some shit for men

[sullen charm]

Harness Fencing

[grand flax]

i do that

idk tbh

[sullen charm]

lol

[grand flax]

i feel like i deal no damage with a sword

and feel no damage

[sullen charm]

yeah you're not doing harness fencing lol

No offence but you have no idea of what you're talking about

[stuck pelican]

ok… go to #general-catfish-🐱🐟 or I’ll like… time-out for 1 minute… ITS NOT HARD!!!

[tight sand]

god damn i love them

[stuck pelican]

AMONGUSS

[turbid shadow]

Only real ones use this

[turbid shadow]

They dont really fit the period of half sword

Although they look pretty good

[tight sand]

my bad

[turbid shadow]

Typo

[tight sand]

didnt read correctly cuz i have autism

[turbid shadow]

Imagine a 16th century expansion to half sword

[tight sand]

it is possible i believe

[turbid shadow]

Cuirassiers and all of that shit

[tight sand]

in the stream frank told that it is possible to have other periods

in the game

[turbid shadow]

Yeah we just need the base game to be successful

[tight sand]

yup

i hope it will

like Frank by himself is an incredible guy

[turbid shadow]

Hopefully kickstarter is gonna go well for the team

[tight sand]

yup i will pay 100%

[turbid shadow]

I believe they’ll work full time on hs when the kickstarter campaign stops

[tight sand]

there are a lot of amazing stuff thatis planned

like fencing stances

[turbid shadow]

The adventure mode seems really cool

[tight sand]

he said that they will rework everything to make it look real or at least close to it

[turbid shadow]

Imagine learning techniques from a school or something like that

[tight sand]

the game will have raids type of stuff

idk like in escape from tarkov

[tight sand]

yup

[turbid shadow]

Yep heard it you saying that the other day

[tight sand]

cant wait for arena in beta

he said that it is close

[turbid shadow]

Bug fixes n all that

And being able to actually fight in an arena and not a void is just

Chefs kiss

Modding support is something that we’ll hopefully see in the release for the game

Infinite content basically

[turbid shadow]

There’s gonna be exclusive kickstarter builds so it’s really worth it

[stuck pelican]

Isnt the one above in the early 1500s

[sullen charm]

This one is 1570

this one based on early 15th century art (1410-20s)

And this one 1475

[stuck pelican]

So we can have them!

[stuck pelican]

But not this one :(

WAIT

I’m a little wrong

Not 1500s we’re in

We’re in 1400s

I keep getting confused

It is good to know I can use that armet

[tight sand]

if i am not mistaken this one calls close helm which is armet but with different opening mechanism

first version of armet if i am not mistaken

[fleet junco]

Tf

Bascimet?

[tight sand]

it was popular btw

armet+hounskull

[sullen charm]

It's a armet

It's just that it's an early form of armets so they kinda kept the visor style of previous helmets (bascinets)

Reminder that the visor of a helmet doesn't define its type

[fleet junco]

i thought the earliest version was s18

[sullen charm]

They are from the same-ish era

Also this is arguably the earliest depiction of an armet

Name: Brandolino III Brandolini
Date: 1396
Location: Castel Brando, Cison di Valmarino, Italy

[tepid edge]

bomberman helmet

[outer roost]

What if

Cause max plate armor possible

[tight sand]

what

[smoky topaz]

Sabatons

[tight sand]

this is early 15th century and late 14th century stuff wont fit to the game

[outer roost]

Yes it is considered plate armor

[rich totem]

no sabatins are in half sword rn

[tight sand]

would be cool to have them

[outer roost]

They wore those in the 15th century?

[rich totem]

thot the devs said it was like mid 15th

[outer roost]

Didnt they

1430 to 1480?

[tight sand]

yes

its mid 15th

[outer roost]

They would be in this time period

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabaton

[rich totem]

they got a little fuckin wacky in the 14th and 15th centuries huh

whats up with that bro i think you left a little bit of spare metal on those

[outer roost]

The shoes back then were whacky

[smoky topaz]

Classic duck foot sabatons

[rich totem]

lemon peppa steppas

[smoky topaz]

You would also see pointed toe sabatons, the style varied by place more than time period

[tight sand]

did not talk about them

[tight sand]

they will be in the game i think its like 100%

sabatons and chain and etc

[short ice]

Bardiche when devs 🤤 we have been good.. or maybe a Lochaber Axe ? (Third pic)

The Lochaber axe is first recorded in 1501, as an "old Scottish batale ax of Lochaber fasoun"

So I know 1501 is stretching it a little cause the game is set In 1470, correct?

[ripe hedge]

Absolutely horrifying :)

[short ice]

need.

[rich totem]

as far as we know 1430 - 1480

[short ice]

Bardiche is absolutely in the running then 💪🫡

But idk about mista Lochaber

[vocal vale]

thats a "grand sallet" the predecessor of a barbute

or, no

that's a different yet extremely similar helmet i'm thinking of

i'd consider an armet closed, though, to me its just a strangely articulated barbute

[stuck pelican]

Would it mean theres a thing called a Great Sallet then

[vocal vale]

i've seen something called a grand sallet in the metropolitan but i consider it a barbute

let me find it

@stuck pelican

[stuck pelican]

Knew it...

So.. Theres like teirs of protection

Grand means its a somewhat better than regular equipment

Great means its much superior than regular equipment

[rich totem]

usually it just means bigger

[stuck pelican]

I mean, for armor this wouldent be the case would it?

[vocal vale]

great and grand are usually interchangeable

great bascinet and grand bascinet, for example

same exact thing

that's why i kept calling it a grand sallet

[stuck pelican]

Wack, Grand sounds a little.. Less great

[vocal vale]

saying "great (armor piece)" is usually reserved for "really well made" in my lingo

[stuck pelican]

@vocal vale Is there any like

Histroical images of bucklers

With like additional size added to them

[stuck pelican]

So its a bit more protective

[stuck pelican]

maybe with like a bit of wood on the sides for stuff like spears

[stuck pelican]

Well. Ok then

Found this image

Oh this is 16TH

[vocal vale]

i dont really research shields

except for bouches

because i think their techniques of suspension are cool

[stuck pelican]

Bouches

?

[vocal vale]

i've seen those a couple times before but i have no clue what the deal with them is

[vocal vale]

they've got the little notch in the corner

they're in half sword

suspended

those ones dont have notches but they're the same thing pretty much

[stuck pelican]

Sword hilts?

Huh

Oh the

Weird sheild

[vocal vale]

you could either use them like a shield or strap them around your neck or around your armpit

[stuck pelican]

Your NECK?

[vocal vale]

guy on the left is doing it

[stuck pelican]

Dude.

So upsetting that we cant do that

Maybe if like..

[vocal vale]

usually it was worn like the guy on the left is doing

[stuck pelican]

Wait let me check #1175715349614833704 maybe i have something like this already about wearing stuff

[vocal vale]

it evolved into the "grand guard", a piece of garniture found in the 1500s

[stuck pelican]

#1174977477915983942

I really want to see a bunch of these suggestions ingame

it will allow so many styles of combat and visuals

[stuck pelican]

Arent those helmets 16th century

[vocal vale]

yeah

[stuck pelican]

Also why did they have..

Studs on helmets

[vocal vale]

what do you mean

[potent needle]

That helmet is a stud

[stuck pelican]

Was it so weapons couldent slide on the helmet to lead to more vital points

And if thats the case, why isnt it around armor edges

[vocal vale]

not quite sure

might be decoration to be honest

ah, it secures the helmet lining

from the description of a sallet with those rivets, "Nine large star-shaped rivets and two small ones secure the lining of the helmet."

[stuck pelican]

Ah

[edgy narwhal]

these studs are there to attach the liner to the helmet

for wearing comfort

can be gilded as well

[stuck pelican]

Glided?

Also yeah sam told me

About the lining

[edgy narwhal]

gilded, as in cover in a layer of gold

[stuck pelican]

oh

[edgy narwhal]

or brass if you are poor

[rich totem]

shout out to uh, painted sallets

those are fuckin styling

[edgy narwhal]

well, not many examples of them exist. Some of the surviving ones could have been painted at a later date

[rich totem]

theres some evidence of painted sallets from the late ish 15th century

[edgy narwhal]

well some black sallets might have been painted, but thats about it. And those come at the very end of the 15th century and were worm almost exclusively by light calvalrymen. But those were in most cases covered by some sort of fabric or leather

[ancient pivot]

velvet covered sallets are the best though

[vocal vale]

i've seen some of these before

do you have a photo from a manuscript perhaps

it seems like something that might be in Regnault De Montauban

[tight sand]

oh got it thx for info

[outer roost]

End game boss

He’s just the 2nd to last boss with velvet

Makes him 1000x more effective

[edgy narwhal]

Look up the pastrana tapestries. They are flemish made, for the portuguese

[rich totem]

pasta carbonara tapestries

[edgy narwhal]

-listen here, you little shit...

[silk crest]

Maybe i must cut meme part

[stuck pelican]

I dont think these are accurate

Dont use replicas

Use actual like armor models from the time

ITs,, Truely authentic

[silk crest]

Sorry, i just throw all what i had.

[stuck pelican]

Hehe, No worries I had the same thing told to me by people who are much better than me at this

[sullen charm]

not much there that screams inaccuracies to me

[stuck pelican]

Also some are outdated

Like that wiggly swor

Pretty sure its 1500

About 1500 - 1600 range

[edgy narwhal]

angus mcbride in particalar is a very bad artist for historical accuracy

[sullen charm]

but yea the drawings arent good

[silk crest]

Ok i remember this

[edgy narwhal]

Ian laspina on the other hand is a very good reenactor when it comes to early 15th century

[sullen charm]

hello gonadaan

[edgy narwhal]

Yo!

[fleet junco]

Add sallet

More

[fleet junco]

Fig 921 is 17th century

Bardiche one is 15th century

[outer cave]

galicia flag on top left?

[hybrid gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAkqWlurzyo&ab_channel=holmganghamburg

[vocal vale]

correct me if im wrong but the scale helmet in the first photo would've been severely outdated by then innit

[vocal vale]

ive seen a lot of people shit on mcbride, are there any particular things that he does bad on?

not a lot of what i see of his looks terrible, usually whenever i ask someone they're just like "uhhh... the helmet's weird"

[lapis hamlet]

From the Breviary of Louis de Male (1350-1375 Flanders)

• A nice two-handed long-hafted glaive!

[vocal vale]

sly little guy

maciejowski falchions are awesome

italian peasant weapon that seemed to evolve into its own style of falchion

beidana

[lapis hamlet]

Emperor Heraclius Slays the King of Persia (1460/80 Netherlandish)
https://www.artic.edu/artworks/111608/emperor-heraclius-slays-the-king-of-persia

[vocal vale]

that is a dope fucking painting

[lapis hamlet]

Agreed!

I really love stuff like this. It's in the server nickname, after all.

[vocal vale]

its so cool to see historical figures molded into heroic figures portrayed in elaborate armor from hundreds of years after they're alive

like seeing depictions of saint maurice go from coat of plates to full gothic armor because he was retold through art so many times

even further than coat of plates, 3rd century for pete's sake

[edgy narwhal]

He did do a lot of weird misinterpretations and invented stuff in his drawings. A lot of it has odd proportions. Thats why a lot of his art just looks off. He is dead now, rest in peace.

[fleet junco]

Add a very large man

[shadow zephyr]

1. Random crossbow
2. Musket
3. Katana
   4 Cho-Ko-Nu

[sullen charm]

Why are you posting this

[shadow zephyr]

I and other players need this in Half Sword

[fleet junco]

Other players are nerds for suggesting automatic croasbow and katana

Just chill with sabers

[sullen charm]

Anachronistic & not from the correct area

the musket is only anachronistic

[fleet junco]

Oh yeah and a musket

Three weapons not fit for the game

[shadow zephyr]

Ok

[stuck pelican]

I got something about stuff like muskets and cannons fown #1165808888021516369

[fleet junco]

Dont put muskets in

[stuck pelican]

Some of the early ones needed you to be super close to go through armor

[edgy narwhal]

that is not really true

[stuck pelican]

it literally showed that on old scriptures

[edgy narwhal]

Its not even a musket, but an arquebus

[stuck pelican]

they used to get like.. within some feet before shooting the horse man with the arquebus

[edgy narwhal]

it really depends on what you mean with really old ones

[stuck pelican]

like earlier ones I’m pretty sure

[edgy narwhal]

I think that is more in reference to pistols in the 17th century

[stuck pelican]

because later then that wasn’t required to get through plate

[stuck pelican]

nope, it was two handed

[edgy narwhal]

do you have the specific source on hand?

In terms of ballistics, yes a well hardened steel armour would deflect a shot. A lot of armour was just iron though as well

[stuck pelican]

I’m pretty sure it was steel as it was a guy on horseback

They 100% have the money

[edgy narwhal]

where and when is it from though

firearms in the 15th century vary a lot in effectiveness and styles, as do the calibers

thats why I am saying it really depends

[stuck pelican]

Idk it was long ago in here

[edgy narwhal]

on a lot of factors

[stuck pelican]

@sullen charm I think posted it, or fencer

as they’re the more… smarter history people

[edgy narwhal]

well if they posted it, I tend to believe it

but an arquebus or handgun would not be out of place in this game at all

[fleet junco]

Its a gun

[sullen charm]

Fr

[fervent yacht]

ADD A SABRE

OR A LANCE

ORRRRR A TANTO

[vocal vale]

central europe

[fervent yacht]

oh

mb

[sullen charm]

this one?

[stuck pelican]

Nope, it was a guy on the ground versus a horseman

It showed what to do and what not to do

Like firing too late = you get slashed and it drew it

[sullen charm]

you sure it was 15th century

[edgy narwhal]

You do know, certain guns are different depending on the time and technlogy?

[fleet junco]

yeah

They still serve the same purpose of firing a metal projectile or something fast at something

[edgy narwhal]

yeah so do m4s, so why do you take issue in me mentioning that that is not a musket?

[fleet junco]

There no issue

[edgy narwhal]

then what did your comment serve to do?

[fleet junco]

Gun

[edgy narwhal]

ok

[unkempt rampart]

Never being added

[unkempt rampart]

Dude medieval artists depicting ancient events in the period style is so cool

[shadow zephyr]

Are you a developer, what would solve this?

[rich totem]

devs have said the focus will be on central/westernish europe in the 15th century

katanas wouldnt be present, but i think one of the devs said they may do DLCs for other regions of the world when the game is finished

[edgy narwhal]

Azuchi Momoyama era DLC would be pretty awesome

[turbid shadow]

Would rather if they make a dlc based off the renaissance Era tbf

[edgy narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/both-agree-yes-good-gif-4591420

[turbid shadow]

But a japan dlc would be fire

[rich totem]

renaissance era would be super cool, id love to see south eastern europe and north africa too though

[edgy narwhal]

yes early sengoku

[rich totem]

theres some very interesting styles of weapons and armor to come from north africa and parts of the middle east

[edgy narwhal]

also kind of depends on what you mean with renaissance era

most of the renaissance is in the middle ages

[turbid shadow]

The 16th century

Greenwich harnesses and all of that sweet shit

[edgy narwhal]

its not really an era that fits well with the established narrative

[edgy narwhal]

ah I though you meant also stuff like the italian wars

with landsknechte and stuff

so more like 30 years war?

because that would be cool considering the time is generally so overlooked

[turbid shadow]

Exactly

[edgy narwhal]

would be the exact smae time as the sengoku jidai as well, so epic crossover?

[turbid shadow]

oooo that would be a really hefty expansion to make lol

[edgy narwhal]

maybe like a portuguese expedition into japan, kind of like the warband mod set in siam

suvaryabumi mahayuth or something it was called

[turbid shadow]

Honestly a 13th century expansion would be cool

[edgy narwhal]

yeh true as well

or late 4th century

[rich totem]

13th century would be so fucking baller

[turbid shadow]

i kinda want an early 14th century

[edgy narwhal]

or mongol invasion of china

[edgy narwhal]

thats mostly black death tho innit?

[turbid shadow]

I think so yeah

[edgy narwhal]

maybe a little bit of 100 years war

[turbid shadow]

Half sword was supposed to be in the Azincourt period

Which was 1410? I think

[edgy narwhal]

oh interesting

turned out very different

[turbid shadow]

Plans changed though

[edgy narwhal]

I guess the variation of weapons is greater

[turbid shadow]

Perhaps THAT would be the expansion

[edgy narwhal]

now that would be kinda cool too, you play as your father/ grandfather

[turbid shadow]

The Prequel of half sword

[rich totem]

old willie DLC

[turbid shadow]

Sounds metal as hell I like it

[edgy narwhal]

hussite wars could be at the very end

[edgy narwhal]

yes and if you complete it you get you fathers armour and weapons

dlc set

[turbid shadow]

Nah I wouldn’t think it would be that

If you get the expansion you get the whole shebang

you know imagine if half sword gets all these expansions and the arena gear get randomized with all of the items from said expansions

It would be a view

[edgy narwhal]

well I think it would be better to limit the old stuff you get in the "modern" setting

[edgy narwhal]

that would be so goofy

[turbid shadow]

Yeah

[edgy narwhal]

but I meant more for story mode XD

would tie in well I think

your father dies in the end and you learn in a new quest of the location of his old armour

I should become a professional writer with genius ideas like that

[turbid shadow]

What if your father was an important guy that they made an effigy of him that you see years later

So silly

[edgy narwhal]

would be cool as an easteregg/homage

I thought of it that you would get the exact set you completed the game with in the dlc

so It would be different every time

[turbid shadow]

It sounds like a really good idea, perhaps put it on feedback so the devs can look at it

[edgy narwhal]

well the game is not even out yet XD

[turbid shadow]

Yeeeahhh my brain isn’t working properly right now

My bad

[edgy narwhal]

npnp

but I could keep it in mind

just in case

[turbid shadow]

Write it off in note pad or something, lol

[edgy narwhal]

yeah XD

[turbid shadow]

But good idea overall

[edgy narwhal]

thank you

[edgy narwhal]

Epic Halfsword game DLC quest idea

In case of dlc existing for the 1410s you play as the father or grandfather of the main character. Over the course of the game you get good armour, eventually end the game and possibly die.
After completion the main game would get a new quest and as the son/grandson you get the information leading to the old set of your ancestor. This set, including his weapons will be unlocked and usable after completing this sidequest. The armour would be the exact set used by the DLC MC including weapons, and might need to be restored.

[vocal vale]

half sword mud physics

[eternal mauve]

i thought half sword was based off eastern europe/the HRE

the music the clothing

reminded me kind of hellish quart

[edgy narwhal]

Well some of the helmets are german-ish, the lowest tier breastplate is and the pavises and maybe some of the bouches are as well. The rest of the armor is flemish/italian/english and the clothes are pretty much universal except for the puffed sleeves dublet. That one is more in line with italian stuff. The pear shaped hat is more or less german but also seen in burgundy for example. The weapons are a mix as well.

the upcoming halberds and pavises are also germanic

[edgy narwhal]

God @turbid shadow i wish I had at least some other knowledgeable people back me up on the mace argument. These people really dont want to let go

[turbid shadow]

exactly what I was thinking

[vocal vale]

germany is part of central europe

holy roman empire for comparison

[white fulcrum]

hey......

[vagrant charm]

media has ruined peoples idea of the mace

[turbid shadow]

@white fulcrum

[white fulcrum]

oh that’s sweet. cool ass way to implement older armour that makes sense and is interactive

what will the base game look like? just pvp or a story?

[turbid shadow]

Arena mode and adventure mode

and maybe the Abyss mode as an extra

[white fulcrum]

How much armour is there in the demo?

[silk crest]

I remember 4 types of body armour, 2 types arm armour, 1 type of leg armour, 1 plate gloves, 5-7 helmets. Actually this what I remember

[edgy narwhal]

yo

[turbid shadow]

there's a shit ton

[edgy narwhal]

I recently just noticed there is different arm armour as well

so that is cool

[turbid shadow]

@edgy narwhal @white fulcrum if you wanna know how many arms and armor is in half sword currently than use this https://halfsword.pages.dev/

this used to work when there were saves in the game

but it tells you pretty much everything

[edgy narwhal]

oh neat thanks

oh damn there is different versions of the same sallet?

I wish there was corresponding pictures

[eternal mauve]

ok

[sullen charm]

black sun
14/88 in bio

hop off LARPer

we dont like chuddies here....

[white fulcrum]

thanks buddy

[stuck pelican]

[eternal mauve]

chuddies shall rise

chvdfallen

[sullen charm]

strange

[white fulcrum]

It’s a cool idea but maybe less hands lol also they’re a bit oddly spaced

Maybe 6 hands would be better

[fervent yacht]

DLC: CRUSADES! 🗣️

[tepid edge]

Crusader walking around in a black void

[rich totem]

the holy land.... an infinite cobblestone floor

[fervent yacht]

id love to see that

or when the game is finally finished

[white fulcrum]

yeah we arent seeing that

oh nvm for dlc yeah it's possible

[lament valley]

I’d love to see more funky clothing (bolognese style preferably)

[fervent yacht]

they should do

Mongolian Invasion of Russia

[stuck pelican]

Thats asia

[edgy narwhal]

Id say this is a bit late, unless they expand the scope to go to 1500 as well

[stuck pelican]

I’m pretty sure it’s staying 1430 - 1480

at most it can drop to 1420 for older equipment

[odd scaffold]

Probably been proposed before, maxmillian armor?

[white fulcrum]

that’s pretty late for the game but if they do dlc then I don’t doubt they’ll consider it

but base game no I don’t think so

[odd scaffold]

Neato

lmk when its out

[fleet junco]

73 cents

[odd scaffold]

i keep those bands on hand dw

[lyric light]

Can’t find them now but seen some surviving velvet sallets and barbutes

[ancient pivot]

they get real fancy. I think some of these are a bit late for Half Sword but they're all pretty much the same style anyway

I don't know of any surviving examples with visors or longer tails though

[lyric light]

reading more into them, seems they are parade/procession helmets from the 1600s

so way too late

however covered armour was common in the 1400s, cheaper than polishing or painting to protect the metal. and not socially low status like oil blacked

[tacit timber]

omg

[tribal fossil]

Wtf

[silk crest]

...

Not only me see that link?

[tacit timber]

we saw it

[silk crest]

[bright token]

Gothic armour with strap to secure the bevor and cuirass together ( i think that's what it for :p)

[sullen charm]

The strap here is to attach the bevor to the placard

It's rather rareish to see germanic armors with placards held in place by straps like italianate armors but it does happen a fair bit!

anyway .. cooll ...

[bright token]

Whose armour is this? It's very elegant!

[sullen charm]

https://www.facebook.com/Inquisitiveimages/photos If you scroll a bit you'll see it

[pliant minnow]

this radiates the same energy as the half sword steam store image

[lapis hamlet]

Lucas Signorelli, The Damned are cast into Hell, 1499-1504.

https://smarthistory.org/signorelli-the-damned-cast-into.../

[fervent yacht]

I got 0.04 BUT WE UP

[fleet junco]

woahhh

sending this one to the bm server

[stuck pelican]

A little too.. New

[lapis hamlet]

One of the few rare instances of real far Eastern European armor being depicted in art (Novgorod psalter 1380)

[stuck pelican]

Pins..?

[edgy narwhal]

very cool, does this manuscript have more depictions?

[sullen charm]

here's my chance to post this drawing..

If only orthodox art could always be as clear as that one ..

[fleet junco]

Add brigs

[rich totem]

any idea what this specifically represents? i have a vague idea but dont know much about further eastern armors

(pls ping if u answer :)

[sullen charm]

Lamellar corselet and the helmet is just a eastern conical helm, somewhat similar in function to a bascinet

[rich totem]

i see, and the coif im assuming is just chainmaile?

[lapis hamlet]

I'll check for more.

[edgy narwhal]

Awesome

[turbid shadow]

fire kits

[stuck pelican]

Could you have stuff like hats under helmets?

[turbid shadow]

blegh, not so sure

[stuck pelican]

I love that poleaxe

[rich totem]

usually you couldnt, but it depends on the hat i guess

[turbid shadow]

the killer spotted

[stuck pelican]

What are those like.. arm braces which look like exo skeletons connected to the chest piece

[rich totem]

skullcaps you could definitely fit under, but at that point youd want a padded cap

[rich totem]

i've heard it called splint armor but i dont think thats entirely accurate as splint armor was usually many pieces of metal, it could be a kind of splint armor but ive yet to actually find what its truly called

you see it a lot mostly on lower ranked foot soldiers

[stuck pelican]

Got a picture of them?

Also what century are they from

[rich totem]

somewhere around the 13th-15th century as far as i know

possibly earlier

[stuck pelican]

Yep, that’s the thing I were talking about

I’d love to have those

[rich totem]

im fairly certain that they're historically accurate

popped up anywhere from the early to mid to late 1400s so theyd be time accurate if so

JACK CHAIN ARMOR

thats what its called

[white fulcrum]

Jack chains is what I think you’re referring to

[white fulcrum]

Ya got it

[rich totem]

jimmy neutron brain blast

you beamed the word into my head just by typing it

[lyric light]

jack chains

oh you got reply

[white fulcrum]

are we all going to ping them saying jack chains

Poor thing is gonna see 9+ pings all from the same channel of the same server

[fleet junco]

Maile jack chains

6th photo i think

[lyric light]

oh on is upper arm

its just a liner sown to arming doublet

seen on some other art

ill try find

[sullen charm]

fairly certain??

they were like.... really common cheap alternatives for arm harnesses ....

[rich totem]

im not going to claim with 100% certainty something i haven't personally researched

[sullen charm]

Maille yes

Essentially like a bascinet's aventail

[ancient pivot]

really good pinterest board for splint armour if anyone wants any more references. Technically only jack chains when they're on a jack
https://www.pinterest.com.au/PollosRollos/single-splint-limb-armor-jack-chains/

[sullen charm]

Idk in english but in french they are called cliques de fer !

[quasi owl]

where did you get the Spanish from

[sullen charm]

which one there's 2 spanish

[sullen charm]

Astrological manuscript of Alfonso X (Library Reg.lat.1283.pt.A ?)

[quasi owl]

I knew it was from Alfonso X

I just couldn’t identify the book

Thanks

[robust tendon]

Would gambeson over maille work for the time period of the game? Id assume the people whod wear maille in the earlier periods that predate plate and partial plate would be using armor like brigandine or a CoP instead of maille and padding

[sullen charm]

It would, but with a jack instead of a gambeson

[edgy narwhal]

cope seethe and maybe mald (OC)

[sullen charm]

posting mine :3

[robust tendon]

luv me armet

both the earlier forms and the later renaissance ones

[sullen charm]

celata

[robust tendon]

the quintessential knight helmet

[white fulcrum]

NO I WAS GONNA POST THAT

FRICK YOU BOSSK

[sullen charm]

I only get to post my ocs..

you rascal

[white fulcrum]

larceny runs in my blood

rapscallion from the beginning

[delicate parrot]

Aren't some of those more accurately called a voulge? Or am I out of it?

[sullen charm]

good af

[edgy narwhal]

these names are not official or anything, this is mostly a joke about all of these names floating around whilst people at the time mostly called everything either an axe or a spear

[delicate parrot]

Ohhhhh ok lolol

[robust tendon]

They probably just called anything on a pole a pollax or polearm

i mean i think the lucerne which is very clearly a hammer was just called a pollax

[odd scaffold]

Does anyone have good reference pictures for rondels/besagews being used on places other than the shoulder or elbow?

[edgy narwhal]

funny thing is, the lucerne hammer is an individual piece. Not a class of weapon

its like naming a bunch of homonid species like: australopithicus,. Homo Neanderthalensis, George, Homo sapiens

[robust tendon]

like the hammer itself not the full weapon then?

[edgy narwhal]

well the lucerne hammer is a pollaxe

[robust tendon]

the naming is quite fucky. Youd think poleaxe would be well an axe on a pole and not many different polearms that arent even axes

[edgy narwhal]

poll in this context just means head, thats why poleaxe is a misnomer

[robust tendon]

i assume armor pieces are much the same right?

[edgy narwhal]

kind of

[robust tendon]

Like a great bascinet and an armet were just called a full helm or something like that

Close helm maybe

[edgy narwhal]

mostly when talking about helmets yeah

[edgy narwhal]

bossks meme

[robust tendon]

celata just means helmet right

[edgy narwhal]

a lot of helmets in germany for example were just called eisenhut

[robust tendon]

It does raise the question of how specific pieces were commissioned. Say you want an italian style armet, but that term isnt used like it is today, so how does the smith know what you mean?

unless this naming is just for regular people and smiths would have specific terminology

[edgy narwhal]

it seems that most of the time either visual refeences were used, such as an catalogue. Or it was up to the armourer

when it comes to regular soldiers, who would not commission armour, they would by mass- produced ware

one size fits all kind of type

[robust tendon]

Yeah i mean nobles who would be comissioning this

[edgy narwhal]

ye

[robust tendon]

They just bought it from some store or something like that, regular soldiers

[edgy narwhal]

and we do know that mass production was very wide scale practice

[robust tendon]

Hence why brigandine was popular, custom fit wasnt really needed for it

Unlike say a full solid harness

[edgy narwhal]

that and I assume it was easier to maintain

[robust tendon]

yeah, easier to make as well. Far easier than maille i imagine

[edgy narwhal]

bare metal really likes to rust

especially iron

[robust tendon]

yeah, especially so with certain battle conditions

[edgy narwhal]

so most of the maintenance was probably spent on polishing, either by hand or commissioned

[robust tendon]

Like the ones at agincourt rain and mud and such, thatd probably ruin a lot of sets

[edgy narwhal]

yeah I imagine if it rained non stop most would not wear their armour on the march

or they did, because living is more important

[robust tendon]

Perhaps thats why jupons were worn, to protect the armor

that and it looks nice

[edgy narwhal]

yeah, in the HRE for example a lot of footsoldier wore their jackets over the armour

[robust tendon]

thats called a scheke isnt it?

[edgy narwhal]

yep

really prevalent as common wear by the male population

not wearing one was considered improper or even naked

[robust tendon]

that sounds a bit out there

Specifically for armor or just in general, the improperness i mean

[edgy narwhal]

well, it depends on the context of course. I mean day to day wear. Work and military would be an exception

[sullen charm]

vouge is just as vague but on the french side of weaponry

As it's described in the texts, it's just.. "blade on shaft"

[outer cave]

Would greaves and cuisses wrap around the wearer's leg entirely, or leave the back part of their leg exposed? like this

I see different reconstructions and manuscript illustrations but Im unsure of whether its a matter of timeline or different artist interpretations

Also would there be some kind of padded hose or just regular hose under leg armor?

[sullen charm]

Both exists

[outer cave]

👍

[sullen charm]

Just regular

[outer cave]

thanks zaddy

[fleet junco]

For ones that were exposed from the back it made it easy for horse riding

Enclosed stuff is footman stuff

1460

[rich totem]

i believe theres some examples of padded hose, or like... padded assless chaps?

[fleet junco]

Yes chausses

[sullen charm]

There is examples of padded cuisses worn over the like of maille chausses bur they aren't wrong the game's timeframe

[stuck pelican]

YEAHHHHH

[outer cave]

Why do some people put rondels on the sides of their helmet? Like this. Dont helmets provide enough protection on their own

[white fulcrum]

it could protect parts of the visor and/or help in mitigating damage to the temples

i know on sallets it helps protect the bolt or whatever it's called forgor the word

[stuck pelican]

slight protection + fashion

[rich totem]

roundles could also serve to add some sloping to a part of a helmet that could otherwise be fairly flat

allowing for better kinetic energy deflection

[white fulcrum]

i love rondels so much!!!

can put em on your head your shoulders in front of your shoulders on your arms on your hands literally everywhere!!!!

[stuck pelican]

personally I like more sleek yet rigid looks on armor

Thats why I dont really like using stuff with rondels

[rich totem]

i love the uhhh..... theres a special name for them but the rondels used to protect the armpit

that are attached with straps

[white fulcrum]

yeah besagews

they so cool

[stuck pelican]

the bees gews

[white fulcrum]

i really like star shaped besagews

[turbid shadow]

hi

[white fulcrum]

hi

i did not notice you and cameron were mods lol

[stuck pelican]

Why did I think that guy had crocs for a second

[rich totem]

wow thats some beautiful plate

i love the couters on the left

[white fulcrum]

bigass pointy couters are amazing

[turbid shadow]

ya

[rich totem]

sallets with gorgets ❤️❤️❤️

[turbid shadow]

this man is in the kickstarter banner

[stuck pelican]

I really want the game to like

Let you do manual jobs for money other than like..

Arena battles

[rich totem]

what do you mean

[turbid shadow]

Tournaments or some shit like that

we can expect to see some variety with them

[white fulcrum]

i mean jousting would be cool ig

[turbid shadow]

Dra

he's just spectating

[turbid shadow]

yes

with the physics of this game it will be really cool

armeta

look at what we have

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082232813698424884/1127583984654753872/BB.gif?ex=657eefeb&is=656c7aeb&hm=e548301226abf963254c8b4e8a3a8d49b629a2e955f2c3efa385dcdfb0290360&

[sullen charm]

Bleeegh

[vagrant charm]

CAUSE WHY TF NOT

kasten brust >

[outer cave]

tru...

[stuck pelican]

Pretty sure this is older than 1500, but why use spears in battles like these?

And how effective was this even

Spears again

[vagrant charm]

Spears were great weapons against anyone with any amount of armor

[vagrant charm]

If by battles like these you’re referring to armored

[white fulcrum]

spears were still pretty handy. i've also seen manuals that had the fighter with a spear also hold a sword in the same hands, so when the enemy closes up on them they just drop the spear and have their sword in their hands

[vagrant charm]

I think someone did this in one harnessfectin video

It works really well

[stuck pelican]

Why were their arenas so small

[vagrant charm]

My guess is the page was too small to make it bigger

[stuck pelican]

no even like

new to old

have small arenas like that

[vagrant charm]

Then idk

[white fulcrum]

things arent always going to be proportionate in medieval art, maybe even in fencing treatises this is the same

[stuck pelican]

I guess

[white fulcrum]

besides, the focus of the page is the actual move, not the arena

[stuck pelican]

But of all things, id think the arena would be the most proportionate thing seen as like........................................................... its still

Also wasnt like..

All weapons unable to perice harnesses basically, Why does it depict weapons easily pericing the harnesses then

[vagrant charm]

It’s prolly tryna depict a gap being pierced

[white fulcrum]

probably depicting the weapon piercing the weakpoints of the armour (pits, hind of legs, etc)

[stuck pelican]

chest peice.

[white fulcrum]

give me an example of that

[stuck pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043854764095582260/1184341472686903357/image.png?ex=658b9ef3&is=657929f3&hm=c75d282173ae60df87d4f2b9ca0cd942e14be4d8fcf902304a5a51c8c6ee9be0&

[white fulcrum]

thanks

[stuck pelican]

Thats why I was so shocked

[white fulcrum]

yeah those are pretty close to the aforementioned gaps in the armour so it's probably depicting that

[stuck pelican]

I was told "IT CANT BE PERICED!"

Well.. No.. Theres just straps there

The gap would be like 2 paper slivers

[vagrant charm]

The artist can’t be perfect

[stuck pelican]

And hes hitting somewhere up here, but not the armpit..

UNless

hes hitting like here

[vagrant charm]

Prolly tryna depict arm pits and under bevor being pierced

[stuck pelican]

either under armpit, or he actually somehow go through the armor

I feel like a head like that would go through a chest peice..

[vagrant charm]

You’re being a bit nit picky

[white fulcrum]

alright if we think about it anatomically, when you raise one arm to lift something heavy then the opposite arm will most likely go down, taking the pit down with it. that means the gap where you can stab the pit will move down as well

[vagrant charm]

They can’t be perfect

[white fulcrum]

that too

there are mistakes plentiful in like every piece of medieval art, this is no exception

[stuck pelican]

No, I just like the art and want to figure out if they actually go through

So I can use it!

[blissful tundra]

Isn’t the halberds head spike known for its armor penetration?

[stuck pelican]

Actually does anybody have like a video of how hard it is to go through the chest peice

[vagrant charm]

No

[blissful tundra]

Just straight up punching through thinner parts of plate

[white fulcrum]

where did you hear that?

[white fulcrum]

tod's workshop probably has one

[blissful tundra]

Robinswords

[stuck pelican]

if they could use that spear, they probably could use that big spike on it and lunge it in to atleast do a dent

[vagrant charm]

It’s impossible

[white fulcrum]

can i see the video cause i do not remember him saying that

[vagrant charm]

Unless maybe a lance at full charge

[blissful tundra]

I saw it so long ago idk if I’ll find it

[stuck pelican]

And this is like 16th century, but you can see how strong they are

[white fulcrum]

ok well it sounds dubious to me

[vagrant charm]

Medieval fighters alway got such beefy calves in art

[white fulcrum]

armour was good, so if it dented a lot from a strong lunge then that would be indicative of bad craftsmanship

[vagrant charm]

Makes sense tho

[stuck pelican]

Hmph...

[vagrant charm]

Bunch of marching and foot work will train them up

[stuck pelican]

What was able to go through armor

[vagrant charm]

Guns

Lances

[white fulcrum]

deez nuts

[stuck pelican]

Didnt those like war hammers with its points could do something

[vagrant charm]

No

[white fulcrum]

on horseback maybe

on foot no

[stuck pelican]

Like two handed

Big swing

he takes it

[vagrant charm]

No melee weapons on foot did much against armor

[stuck pelican]

I guess they were that tough afterall

[blissful tundra]

I got the spike and the rear hook confused I’m tired

[white fulcrum]

short blunt weapons would not be capable of generating enough force from a swing to puncture through armour

[vagrant charm]

Unless you target the gaps and stuff

[white fulcrum]

even longer blunt weapons wouldnt really be able to do that

[vagrant charm]

That’s why dagger 🔛🔝

[stuck pelican]

What about like.. Fuck up armor

[white fulcrum]

daggers on TOP

[stuck pelican]

I see them in scriptures like.. Push entire swords out the way

[blissful tundra]

Blunts, halberds

[white fulcrum]

shit armour will be shit armour

[vagrant charm]

Blunt shit just transfers force doesn’t do much damage to the armor tho

[white fulcrum]

oh i thought they meant fucked up armour lol

[vagrant charm]

Even then blunt weapons are not anti armor

No weapons are truly anti armor

[white fulcrum]

preach nagh

[vagrant charm]

That’s the point of armor

[stuck pelican]

Im guessing, it would transfer some energy through the armor.. towards their ribs

That cant be healthy

[vagrant charm]

The chest is the worst place to target an armored guy

Head

[stuck pelican]

Yeah of course that would be the worst

I want to see mike tyson punch the shit out of a guy with a harness

[blissful tundra]

Head and joints are the best right?

[vagrant charm]

Yeah

[stuck pelican]

That guy could knock out TOP FIGHTERS in one hit to the head

[vagrant charm]

Fingers too

Back of the upper leg if you can somehow

[stuck pelican]

i saw a depiction of a guy getting his sword under like a small peice

[blissful tundra]

God imagine getting a maul to the fingers with those individually fingered gauntlets

[stuck pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043854764095582260/1184342265083203675/image.png?ex=658b9fb0&is=65792ab0&hm=86b646d292ab2e22d102d6009f553cfacdef1b95f55b6a3643a3b5afc23ab522&

[vagrant charm]

Damn

That dudes precise

Getting him in the gap that connects the plates😭

There’s some depictions of people getting swords under the gauntlet and into the wrists

[stuck pelican]

Hehe, thats why they extend them!

[vagrant charm]

Then you can control their arm

And it hurt

[stuck pelican]

I feel like the force of a heavy item to the shoulder

would screw over a knight anyways

even with all his armor, it wouldent need to go through to hurt them big time

@white fulcrum Hehe, would the funny pointy shoes the sometimes use be useful in poking that thing into a little peasnts chest

[white fulcrum]

they were pointy yes but the way the sabatons are articulated would mean they'd fold in when you raise your foot

[stuck pelican]

Same with.. Would having many holes in your helmet to breathe fuck you over in battle..

[white fulcrum]

so no...

still love me super long poulaines though

[stuck pelican]

Through the gut, fold into the heart!

[white fulcrum]

if you wear a really long poulaine then you can probably slap a peasant with the point

-5 to agility
+5 kick range

[stuck pelican]

bitch slap a peasnt and then explode his head with a mace

[stuck pelican]

Didnt stuff like nobility sponser fencing fights and soldiers

[vagrant charm]

Pic of me btw

Feel free to use

[blissful tundra]

Damn ur hot

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Prolly some

Can’t really say that much definitely about history

[stuck pelican]

What do yall think of #1184339821955645510

[robust tendon]

Orled kettle ❤️

[robust tendon]

shame that this is a bit beyond the period

This looks quite nice, i do love my 16th century parade armor and armets

though thats more kastenbrust than a parade harness

[silk crest]

Großes Kriegsmesser from collection Hofjagd- und Rüstkammer Wien. Austria, 1490 .

[stuck pelican]

Technically… we can have these

hm..

Can you find 1480 - 1430 one

Higher likely hood of it being added

[silk crest]

A Kriegsmesser in the Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna.

This one frome 1450

[rich totem]

look at that beautiful painted sallet

wonderful

[edgy narwhal]

no

[sullen charm]

Black sallets are pretty awesome (even tho they were most likely covered rather than painted)

[edgy narwhal]

those were originally covered

[sullen charm]

And also out of the scope of this game

[edgy narwhal]

this one has the holes for the stitching even

[sullen charm]

yep

Some don't tho so that's weird but whatever

nvm

i'm stopid

[edgy narwhal]

there is also evidence that some of them has polished visors

so likely the visors were sometimes left uncovere

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@edgy narwhal

[edgy narwhal]

sexy

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Long nosed