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[agile trench]

(Not the right area of time but kitty nonetheless)

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RAAAAUGH I LOVE SUPER DECORATED SETS OF ARMOR AND SPOOKY THEMES

[tepid edge]

What are some lesser known medieval helmets? Like stuff we've only seen in manuscripts or something.

By medieval, I don't mean any specific timeframe. Just in general.

[vocal vale]

one that is slept on largely is the bicoque helmet, a unique style of armet, shown extensively throughout manuscripts but completely unrepresented in media

[tepid edge]

oh

[vocal vale]

real example from the DSM

[tepid edge]

I've seen that before

just never knew the name

which is probably most helmets tbh

[vocal vale]

this shit is SLEPT ON!1! 💯

[vocal vale]

a better answer to this would probably be the proto-greathelm and its similar yet more advanced couple-hundred year forward variant the venetian grand bascinet

proto-greathelm shown in the hands of this fellow

similar venetian grand bascinet from wayy later

[tepid edge]

huh

did they start off domed top and then they made them flat tops for a time?

[vocal vale]

elaborate on "they"

helmets in general, or greathelms as a whole?

[tepid edge]

great helms

you said proto great helm

[vocal vale]

greathelms started flat on the top, as shown in the maciejowski bible, but i refer to that as a "proto-greathelm" because that was a version shown before they got their distinct "pembridge" style shape

there's scholarly disagreement between what's classified as a greathelm anyways

this is a good visual representation of their evolution

if you want to go to before this, the enclosed helmet would come before the maciejowski on the left

[tepid edge]

oh

[vocal vale]

maciejowski

dargen-pommern

bolzano

pembridge

[tepid edge]

tbh

I do like seeing helmets like these

They seem more uh normal. Like you wouldn't have expected it to survive this long.

when you google medieval armor, you usually see stuff that looks more ceremonial

[vocal vale]

yes, im not quite a fan of fancy gold gilded, acid etched, big-beaked fancy pearlescent armor

im a way bigger fan of 14th and 15th coat of plates, chainmail, brigandines and corazzinas

really just paint and cloth are the only fanciness i like

this is the largest level of fanciness i tolerate

[turbid delta]

These kinds of helmets with the weird round parts do appear, but they're open face.

Only on enemies too I think

[vocal vale]

that's a weird rondelled sallet, bicoque helmets distinctively have the enclosed neck

i think i've seen 1 or 2 on armor stands but i see them way more often on enemies

[turbid delta]

I've been severely out-nerded

[turbid delta]

I've never managed to find one you sould wear

Just seen them on corpses.

[vocal vale]

i've really been trying to find one lately because i like how they look with bevors

because then they really DO look like bicoque helmets

[tepid edge]

the helmet with the two disks on the side?

[vocal vale]

specifically like the ones in flower of battle

[vocal vale]

yes, armor discs like that are called rondels

[turbid delta]

Damn French.

Or Normans, I suppose

[tepid edge]

I feel like I've seen one not on an enemy before but it can just be the other open face helmets

I just want a more protective gauntlet

[vocal vale]

im fairly certain they're in a weird in-between phase

like, you see milanese barbutes for a total of probably 5 enemies until they fade away

[tepid edge]

wonder why we can't get them

[vocal vale]

similarly to the rondelled sallets, you only see a total of 1 or 2 before you start getting visors and stuff

[turbid delta]

They're fairly menacing looking, but you're right in that they're weirdly rare.

[vocal vale]

https://tenor.com/view/x-men-children-of-the-atom-capcom-magneto-helmet-gif-18263255

[tepid edge]

would a bascinet still fit into the game's time period

[vocal vale]

yes

[turbid delta]

In an in-between slightly before you get your first cuirass, around 2500 points.

[tepid edge]

I feel like in seen them in fullplate

[vocal vale]

they were one of the most popular helms during the 1400s, especially in places like england and france

[tepid edge]

unless it's a different helmet

[turbid delta]

Magneto when he rips out literally every metal in his opponent's body

[tepid edge]

what does the helmet look like

[turbid delta]

I love Hounskulls

[tepid edge]

ohhh

I thought it something else

[turbid delta]

But Hounskulls are more 1360's

[vocal vale]

i love bellefortis-esque grand bascinets, bulky boys

[tepid edge]

the helmet with the two disks still show up

[turbid delta]

That would be piss poor to see out of.

Well

I dunno, maybe it's like a fencing mask

[vocal vale]

they were more popular in the waning years of the 1300s but i would say that poorer infantrymen would make good use of them

grand bascinets that were more popular in the 1400s could still have their gorgets removed

[turbid delta]

But they look so goofy in my opinion.

[vocal vale]

its actually quite superior, and i'd imagine harder to get arrow splinters into

the attached gorget helps prevent a parallaxing effect from seeing through the holes

[turbid delta]

I would also imagine, someone should shoot at one with a bow

[vocal vale]

kastenbrust armor with a bicoque helmet, may also be a grand bascinet but its hard to tell since most artists didnt bother drawing the manner of opening and the only thing to go off of is "would i be able to put that on without splitting the helmet in half first?"

fiore drew them like that too

[turbid delta]

Cheese visor

[vocal vale]

i was debating whether to paint my helmet like a bicoque helmet or like a bicoque helmet from a fiore manual

helmet being fencing mask, sorry shouldve clarified

either look like a knight or look like a cartoonish knight that popped out of an illustration of the guy we're studying from

[turbid delta]

weird

Sorry my internet was imploding.

[turbid delta]

I really want to get into something like that but I don't really live in an area where that's common.

[vocal vale]

i dont either, rural eastern tennessee

https://www.hemaalliance.com/club-finders, though

[turbid delta]

I live around the top part of florida

Unfortunately.

Most Hema things around here consist of people in chain and gambessons hitting eachother in parks.

[vocal vale]

well, you could start there by asking around

really just talking to people who wear european harnesses can lead you down many different interesting avenues

[west garnet]

https://www.pinterest.com.au/PollosRollos/single-splint-limb-armor-jack-chains/

https://www.pinterest.com.au/PollosRollos/medieval-shinglesscale-helmets-incomplete/

some boards on niche armour types i put together

[ivory nova]

Thoughts?

[sharp belfry]

maybe have the white part be centered on the shield and going vertically?

[agile trench]

@west garnet we love you pollos

[edgy prawn]

Its very good

[hallow hearth]

thats a shame

[vocal vale]

yeah the "burgundian" looking covered cuirasses are a bit too much for me, i prefer sleeved surcoats

[agile trench]

I’m gonna go kill that guy that forged the term “Burgundian style armor”

Whatever his fuckin name was

[turbid shadow]

Metatron?

[agile trench]

Yeah, that guy

[dull geode]

did he make the term or just use it

[tight sand]

use it in a wrong way

[tight sand]

they are so calm beating each other

[west garnet]

real term is alla antiquta or something in latin

please correct me

[tender estuary]

al antica

And variations of that

[stuck pelican]

They aren’t calm, they’re all depressed and don’t even care anymore

[tender estuary]

add goobers!

[west garnet]

adding restrictive armour would be cool

like jousing gear thats strong but heavily reduces movement

[agile trench]

Again, not the right time period the devs are aiming for

[tender estuary]

add armor that was considered antique in the late 15th century

(bascinets)

[waxen kestrel]

jousting helm

[fleet junco]

Arm harnesses

[copper nova]

Perry minatures

Very cool

[tight sand]

i think it will be hard to make due to the weight and the neck movement but if
will make it it will be impossible to kill

[tight sand]

what do u guys think about great bascinet

if i m not mistaken that there are images where bascinets were seen with sallets

smth like that

sallets

great bascinet

[dull geode]

this is from the 1430s i'd guess

half sword's style seems more 1450s-70s to me

[turbid shadow]

well luckily half sword is 1430-1480

[dull geode]

oh neat

[wanton bane]

add an M109 155mm howitzer

[alpine sage]

add a honda civic

[turbid delta]

That would be impossible, the Sallet and the bascinet are both helmets.

It would be wearing two hats ontop of eachother

[agile trench]

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[sullen charm]

"with" as in "seen in use alongside"

[turbid delta]

That makes more sense

[fleet junco]

falling buffe?

[hallow hearth]

well you shee its a midweevl gaymmee so it eneds everythugn1!!

[agile trench]

hate people like that. go back to chivalry or mordhau yeh cunts

[hallow hearth]

true

mid - late 15th centruy >>>>>>>>>>>>

[agile trench]

i love the 13th century but like... the theme isnt the 13th century

so why should i recommend adding a 13th century greathelm to the game?

it pays to be educated sometimes and people dont understand that lmao

like yeah, call me a nerd all you want but the people actually interested with the theme tend to take you more seriously because you seem to know your stuff

(plus i play dnd on occasion i am a fuckig nerd)

[tepid edge]

@sullen charm You're just gonna take that bro 👀

[vocal vale]

i didnt know this guide was from perry miniatures! i have a couple boxes of them, really wanna paint them soon

[tight sand]

u shut up

[vocal vale]

were bascinets antiques by then? i thought they were still pretty commonplace

[tight sand]

in early 15th not in late 15th

[vocal vale]

well if half sword is 1430 - 1480 then that's pretty encompassing

[tight sand]

in 1430 it was possible to have great bascinets

but bascinets idk

maybe there are sources that show them but i ve never seen them

[vocal vale]

im sure great bascinets would've been more commonplace, at least for the better-off, but hounskulls and the like were still in use (moreso in eastern europe, but still circulating in the west)

this depiction from 1427 of a hounskull

[tight sand]

honestly i would love to see hounskull in the game but idk it will look weird to my eyes to see the guy with hounskull and sallet fighting with each other

[vocal vale]

a compromise would be a grand-hounskull hybrid like seen in some mid-15th stuff

[tight sand]

btw this is some fashion

if i m not mistaken i ve seen some french writing stuff where they mentioned bascinets with early sallets

its from knight errant video

[vocal vale]

baggy sleeves are the goat of medieval fashion

[tight sand]

100%

[vocal vale]

one of my favorite weird helmet combos are kettle helmets over visorless bicoques

like the archer on the right and the middle fellow up top

[tight sand]

damn this archer is rich

looking bad ass

btw what is this

[vocal vale]

looks like a frogmouth but its also really jumbled in its linework

i've seen a lot of army depictions where, in the case of the illustrator trying to showcase how "knightly" they all are, they just give them frogmouths since that was the colloquial knight helmet to an average fellow

[sullen charm]

always funny to see inaccuracies present in works from the time period

of course— frogmouths were pretty much a helm exclusively used for jousting events, which many people would watch

so your average fellow would probably think they just used it all the time

[golden palm]

BEAKIE HELMETS MUST BE GIVEN TO ALL!!!!1!!1!1

[turbid shadow]

Man I love this video till this day

Can’t wait for orles and plumes to be added in the update

[turbid delta]

Aren't those more fit for jousting than actual fighting?

[waxen kestrel]

a type of morion hemet

[hallow hearth]

but thats for a 16th to 17th century setting

[tender estuary]

Kinda
You still see great bascinets for tourney mostly iirc but the bascinets with aventails are not used anymore
You see them depicted as armor for soldiers in biblical events and similar depicting old events

[weary palm]

hussars

[turbid shadow]

yeah lets add something thats like 2 centuries years later in a game set in the 15th century

[west garnet]

i mean they existed at the time

[upper mango]

i love this armor a lot.

dont know exactly when the armor is from but it seems to be early to mid 15th century. maybe germany judging off of the elbow and knee

but i think it would fit

[west garnet]

maybe if devs wanna add some low tier outdated armour

[sullen charm]

That's 1495-1500

[upper mango]

oh damn i was way off

[sullen charm]

yeah

[upper mango]

ah it does make sense though

leg harnesses look really late

[sullen charm]

everything does tbh

[upper mango]

yeah but like, i dont know as much about armor as you so i can only see the obvious things

[upper mango]

i keep finding more and more pics of this kit and i love it

[sullen charm]

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057636212394&sk=photos

Straight from the maker

[upper mango]

also i wonder if theres an earlier example of the sallet-armet thingy so hopefully the devs would add it

[sullen charm]

Not really, it's pretty typical of the end of the century

[upper mango]

or maybe one of those early armets i forgot the name of.

started with a b and had a q

forgot

[sullen charm]

bicoque

[upper mango]

yeah

[turbid delta]

I'm gonna be honest and just say that I personally don't like 15th century armor and I much prefer mid to late 14th century armor.

[upper mango]

for some reason i was thinking bisque lmfao

[sullen charm]

It's basically a close helm that will lead to later german armets but with sallet features because they were still very fashionable, there's other examples of that but always contemporary

[sullen charm]

ok

[turbid delta]

I know that doesn't have anything to do with the conversation I just figured I'd say that

[sullen charm]

why yo in this late 15th century game server then 🔥 🚒

[upper mango]

i would really love a bicoque and some kastenbrust tbh, but half sword is very italian and later than that so idk if its a pipedream

[turbid delta]

Because It's not mid to late 15th century!

[sullen charm]

it is..

[turbid delta]

Where armor shifter much more twords being a fashion statement.

[west garnet]

this was universal

14th century armour was just as fashion oriented

[sullen charm]

that's just not true to be honest

[west garnet]

accounts from the time say some knights had their waists so tight they would get injured in battle

[upper mango]

no? they always were fashion statements

[turbid delta]

I know, but it's more prevalent, with much more ornate looking solid plate with less chainmail and cloth.

[west garnet]

ornate armour just wasnt the fashion

[sullen charm]

that's also not really true

[west garnet]

covered armour was for much of the 14th century

ideally you wouldnt show your armour too much

[sullen charm]

You're thinking about it wrong tbh

(talking about cannon)

[west garnet]

he is right in the sense it was less ornate overall

[turbid delta]

I just like the look of it more, it looked more like something you'd want to wear in a fight and less like something you'd wear to show off in my opinion.

[sullen charm]

i guess you could say that since there was less steel plates to ornate

[turbid delta]

But I do know that it was always about a show of wealth and fashion

[sullen charm]

But the fashion medium were just different

[west garnet]

they were less versed in manipulating the steel

they would still try

[sullen charm]

Talk about a intricate patterns in silk jupons

[sullen charm]

it's just a different century jesus

[turbid delta]

That's easier than bending steel into shape without ruining the metal.

[sullen charm]

tho they'd still did that to some extend

[west garnet]

acid etching and fluting took awhile to learn

things like that

[turbid delta]

Yeah but I think it was more about making something that a bladed weapon or arrow would bounce off of.

It could very much still be about how "Look at my fancy bended metal armor!"

Or it could be both.

[sullen charm]

That doesn't mean anything but anyway

[west garnet]

the ultra ornate armour would seldom see real combat

[sullen charm]

mid-late 15thC isn't more "fashion oriented" than previous centuries

[turbid delta]

More like something you'd be buried in.

Fuck you mean "?"

[sullen charm]

What does that message even mean

Ornate armours absolutely did see combat

And by the fact that they were ornate alone were a sign to not kill the person wearing it (except rare exceptions) and ransom him

[west garnet]

i was under the impression he was talking about this kinda stuff

the ultra ornate shit

[sullen charm]

That's 16thc tho

[west garnet]

true

[sullen charm]

And I think that's just what's called "costume armor"

Not meant to be used on the battlefield

[turbid delta]

I more mean any armor aiming t'words looking fancy, like with an hourglass figure.

[west garnet]

like i said hourglass figures were huge in the 14th century, perhaps i can find the account describing the vain knights who worse them so tighlty it impeded their combat performance

[sullen charm]

Hourglass figures are just an "evolution" or earlier Wasp figures which were themselves an evolution of weasel figure

or vice versa, you get what I mean

The waist just gets thinner with time due to fashion AND practicality

[turbid delta]

I mean like with the tomb of the Black Prince where his coffin depicts him buried in armor, and the actual things he was buried in.

[sullen charm]

Because it's his belonging

[turbid delta]

Yeah, but it's presumably a different set of armor than one he'd wear to a fight.

[sullen charm]

lol what

[west garnet]

the effigy depicts what he would wear to combat

[turbid delta]

I wouldn't wear an open face bascinet to a fight.

[sullen charm]

omfg

visors can be removable lmfao

[west garnet]

iirc a great helm to wear over it is present in the effigy

[west garnet]

this was also more common than you would think

[sullen charm]

Also yeah, he would have also possibly worn a greathelm

[turbid delta]

I don't believe so.

[west garnet]

yeah a helmet exists

may be replicas iirc the real stuff is worse for wear

you can see the trend of ornamenting armour cover rather than the armour itself

[turbid delta]

The helmet is not present on the effigy.

[upper mango]

(it says replica at the bottom)

[sullen charm]

He lived right throught the 14thC part where greathelms were the most popular

[turbid delta]

In the effigy he wears a gilded bascinet.

[sullen charm]

bascinets are worn under greathelm

[west garnet]

yes but that would be worn above the bascinet

the greathelm can be removed if the wearer wants more visibility

[sullen charm]

And would absolutely be removed when dismounting

[west garnet]

it was "suspensed over his tomb"

[sullen charm]

living your bascinet open, which is absolutely not an oddity for the time he was alive in

[turbid delta]

It still is.

[sullen charm]

That being said, blud was a king so it's safe to assume he didn't only have 1 helmet or even 1 harness

[west garnet]

@turbid delta

[turbid delta]

Ohhh

I see

[west garnet]

i remembered right

this is common for the time

[turbid delta]

I couldn't make it out from images

[sullen charm]

Cotton MS Nero D VI, f.31r

[west garnet]

i mean you could just take our word lol

[turbid delta]

Then that would defeat the point of this discussion, there wouldn't be a discussion.

[west garnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1089926023681945770.gif?size=48&name=RAGEY&quality=lossless

[turbid delta]

I like learning.

[west garnet]

nerd

[turbid delta]

I mean wearing it into a fight.

[sullen charm]

Yeah

[turbid delta]

Says the guy who knows more than me.

[sullen charm]

Wearing a bascinet open, in combat, isn't an oddity for the time he was alive in

[turbid delta]

I suppose not, figured great helms were phased out around the start of the 14th century though.

Which I suppose is where a lot of my confusion comes from.

[sullen charm]

Oh no lol they'd still be worn even after his death

visors really start to develop on bascinets around the 1340-50 ish

[turbid delta]

Just seems a little basic considering what was available at the time, especially for a king.

[turbid delta]

That'd be when he was alive.

[west garnet]

they had visored bascinets

[sullen charm]

Yeah, didn't say the opposite

but greathelms were still extremely popular

[turbid delta]

He may have had a visored bascinet, he just probably wasn't buried with it.

[sullen charm]

Also ☝️

[turbid delta]

Would armor depend on occasion or just preference?

[west garnet]

both ofc

vague question tho

[turbid delta]

I didn't mean for it to be

[sullen charm]

Yeah honestly

I guess the answer would be preference and context

For instance there's many instances of kings getting too hot or something and such switching to a kettle they had or asking an infantryman for his kettle

So really depends on how the King feels

Recreation of the Golden Kettle of the French King Charles VI, found into a pit during the excavations of the Louvre

[turbid delta]

They just found a golden helmet in a pit?

[sullen charm]

fragments

[turbid delta]

Well that makes more sense.

[sullen charm]

you can see if you look closely, the fragments are the one etched with floral patterns on it

[turbid delta]

That's pretty well intact

I assume most of the bottom of it didn't survive because it was thinner.

[small moss]

Thun Sketchbook my guy

[dull geode]

you can find similar armor to that in the Thun sketchbook, which is from the early 16thc

[waxen kestrel]

katar dagger

[sullen charm]

The creator of the harness based his work off of the sketchbook.

[dull geode]

yes i know

[sullen charm]

A recreation rather than simply looking similar would be better wording.

[dull geode]

well there are similar harnesses depicted

[vocal vale]

yes they are SPECIFICALLY for jousting

the breathability, weight, and line of sight would be a death sentence in real combat

[turbid delta]

I'm glad to be right about something for once

[vocal vale]

but for the unknightly, men who were in the profession of depicting these men in their artwork, just assumed they wore them all the time or decided to depict them in their frogmouths to show just how "knightly" they are

[turbid delta]

It does look rather fancy to be fair

[hallow hearth]

fringed scarf
Whenever German armor is made
it be cool to have a simple solid color scarf to complete the looks

[upper mango]

yeah i know thats what it is from but i dont really have it at hand

and i didnt know what it was called

[vocal vale]

i love the guy that remakes these armors

especially since he poses for them the same

[heady laurel]

golem armor from hit game exanima

[gaunt verge]

perforated armet when?

[tepid edge]

@vocal vale

Figure this would fit here somewhat.

What sort of a damage can a scimitar do to a knight in full mail armor?

I'm not well informed on this stuff at all but for time period I'll just say like whenever they start wearing great or enclosed helms since I personally associate those types of helmets with crusaders.

[agile trench]

It’ll do about as much damage as any other sword

Because it’s a sword

And it acts like a sword

It has no special abilities, it’s just a sword from a different culture

[tepid edge]

Thought it would be less well suited to thrusting

[bold hornet]

bro has NO clue what he's talking about but wants to pretend he does

a scimitar is a curved sword
a curved sword has different properties than a sword that isn't curved

[primal smelt]

full plate armor wasn't all that common among the crusaders, there were a lot of rank and file who wore only your basic cloth or leather (or chain if they were lucky) which a guy ridin past swinging a scimitar will make short work of. the tip could be used for thrusting into small gaps in armor but rather hard to do
thomas page in 1746 said they actually used to throw it though that may be some kind of period slang for attacking with it :
"The Sword was of enormous length and breadth, heavy and unweildy, design'd only for right down chopping by the Force of a strong Arm; till Time and Experience discovering the Disadvantages, by Degrees contracted its Length and lighten'd its Weight in to the more handy Form of the Scymitar; which was first invented by the Eastern Nations, and has continued to be their principal Weapon to this Day:...." "The Saracens, Turks and Persians, made use of but three different Throws with the Scymitar, and one of those, only on Horseback; the other two on Foot."

[sullen charm]

among... the crusaders?

of course full plate wasn't common amongst them, the last crusades ended a good while before full plate harnesses really even began to be used widely

[agile trench]

Yeah? And tell me what those properties are

[bold hornet]

Idk man the fact it's curved means you gotta swing it a bit differently than a longsword

[agile trench]

Lmao, the long swords of the 13th century

[bold hornet]

And it's not built for thrusting

[agile trench]

This isn’t a fucking video game, just because it’s a different style of a sword doesn’t mean it’s got special abilities

Sure, it’s not ideal for thrusting but it swings like any other one handed sword

[bold hornet]

That's so fucking screenshot worthy

Lol

[agile trench]

You’re acting like a scimitar is a completely different weapon to an arming sword

[bold hornet]

Um they are???

Dude real life isn't like a video game, you gotta slash differently with a curved sword vs a straight sword

That's common sense

[agile trench]

They’re literally both swords they have nothing special from each other besides that the blade is different

[bold hornet]

THE BLADE IS 80% OF THE SWORD

If it's a one handed sword at least

[agile trench]

Yeah and the weight is balanced through the entirety of the sword too

[bold hornet]

And?

[agile trench]

That doesn’t make it any different if theyre pretty much close to the same weight

One is not more effective against maille armor than the other

[bold hornet]

And why would that be?

[agile trench]

Maybe an arming sword because it’s blade is more tuned for piercing but then again, maille armor is smithed to be sturdy enough to prevent being stabbed in the first place

[turbid delta]

One can poke through mail better because of the point.

The other is better for slashing and whacking.

[bold hornet]

I wanted to hear his argument

[turbid delta]

They both perform similar.

[turbid delta]

It'd be the same thing if not similar.

[agile trench]

Again, look at what I just said

Either or aren’t more effective than the other

[turbid delta]

This whole chat is pretty much just nerds arguing about weapons and armor of the dark ages.

[bold hornet]

You made it sound like they were exactly the same

[agile trench]

Effectiveness yeah they’re the exact same

[bold hornet]

Like cannon said, one is better for thrusting and the other is better for slashing

[agile trench]

I just fucking said that

[turbid delta]

It'd be more down to preference I reckon.

[bold hornet]

Yeah like way fucking late
When you started going off I thought you were legit arguing scimitars were the exact same as arming swords

[turbid delta]

Yeah but I said it but more simpler so they remember my response than yours.

[turbid delta]

They said it before me actually.

It was just more complicated.

[bold hornet]

They said it late into our argument

Not later than you

[agile trench]

Jesus Christ I’m surrounded by people who have no patience for learning

[bold hornet]

Read what I sent

🙂

[turbid delta]

I have the patience, just kinda watching and adding to this really.

[turbid delta]

Fair point.

Ba dum tiss

[bold hornet]

Comedy

[agile trench]

I gotta get back to work anyways this is just a waste of time at this point

[turbid delta]

Well I'm sorry your argument went mostly misunderstood and or ignored.

Have fun at work though.

[bold hornet]

😔 hard to read during college class

[agile trench]

There’s no point in having a conversation or debate if the other one doesn’t listen to you

[turbid delta]

From what I understand you were arguing that a scimitar is really no different than a arming sword in terms of function.

He was arguing more in design.

[turbid delta]

Which it really isn't! Both are weighted similarly and swing and cut the same, and can probably poke about as well too. Which you argued!

A real scimitar isn't actually all that curved, it's a very small curve near the end of the blade.

Then again curves also depend on who made it

In some it's far more drastic and in others it's far less.

A primary difference I suppose is that the scimitar is far better on horse back. Primarily because of the curve of the blade.

Most curved swords are better on horses

[vocal vale]

it seems like the war was fought about this already, i’m not particularly versed in curved weapons but it seems mortuus hit it on the head with the slashing vs stabbing compared to the arming sword

id assume a scimitar would have certain advantages in terms of sticking into gaps or whacking with some better force but im not good authority on that

best conclusion i could make is that they’d be very similar in performance to an arming sword, maybe with slightly different weight benefits depending on your strategy

[desert oasis]

The color maybe in a wood whield for example could just be the color of the material i hope its understandable

[golden palm]

aint the guy in the middle a scottish spearman from the 12th century

[desert oasis]

Depends, im no expert but you could also see many turks dressed that way since i think, the main things that changed were the helmets but as i say im no expert

[golden palm]

oh

[desert oasis]

You scottish?

[golden palm]

no, but i really like the scottish history for some reason, maybe their accents or somethin

[desert oasis]

haha nice

great to meet you

[tepid edge]

Would any armored knight (any medieval period of your choosing) have any change of surviving an overhead hit to the helmet by a modern sledgehammer?

Or is that way too much

[vocal vale]

if they survived they'd probably be injured teetering on the point of death

[tight sand]

tf u mean dark ages 💀

[tight sand]

scimitar to the knight. It wont do any big damage to the knight in mail until u hit him in the open spaces

[high prairie]

Didn't you know, we were using advanced metalrugy and making plate in 600 AD.

[tight sand]

and ye we have to consider that it wasnt the main weapon of Islamic warriors the same thing with arming sword. Moreover Knights are not the guys who have number superiority

Most of crusaders armies were consist of peasants. Yes, they are not just peasants, They were the strongest peasants and some of them were fighting generations but they still didint have proper training

While islamic armies had something that is similar to regular army that at least understood orders and had training on regular basis.

[high prairie]

If this game has plate armor and two-handed swords, it's like 1500s tech at the very least.

[tight sand]

Even if crusaders armies had number superiority. In a second this situation could be change just because of some peasants who starts running away . This is a long topic that will consider. Dont want to write an essay

[tight sand]

u are right its 1430-1480 if i am not mistaken

[high prairie]

Most people don't realize how modern a two handed sword is. It's not an easy thing to make.

[tight sand]

100% they were expensive asf

[turbid delta]

Exactly, nerd.

[tight sand]

Tf problem with that ?

Nerding about everything it's a good thing especially when we talking about history

America is the best example what will happen if people will forget about history of the world

[high prairie]

A dark ages version of this game would be cool. Boiled leather and pig iron axes.

[turbid delta]

That was uhh

A joke lad.

I have no problem with it man

I find it fun, other wise I wouldn't be making fun of you.

I'm about as much of a nerd as you

I just know less.

[tight sand]

kk

my bad

[tight sand]

sorry for being rude

[dull geode]

its not that hard

[tight sand]

What is that ?

It went through the chain daaamn

[sullen charm]

do remember

this is an artist's depiction of events

likely embellished a good bit

[tepid edge]

probably easier to just draw the armor being pierced

[pliant minnow]

wtf one guy up there entered creative mode

[golden palm]

chimpanzee skeleton

[crystal ether]

me on mondays

[upper seal]

would be great for a halloween edition

the concept is: If the devs run out of weapons and armor to put in the game, they should start an early 15th century-late 14th century arsenal. and make it a seperate paywall like 5 euros so they don't have to rely on moldy bread and swamp water for months

and this goes until the 10th-9th century or less idk

[high prairie]

They could also add absolutely terrible firearms that we have to manually reload and are hard to aim.

An arquebus you can load with knives and candle holders.

[upper seal]

https://tenor.com/view/bitch-bruh-breakfast-assault-wtf-gif-17553075

javelin reaction

[west garnet]

id assume a ridgid helmet would help your chances

[copper nova]

Good lord that is a chunkster of a helmet

[west garnet]

modern sledgehammers had their medieval equavalents which didnt seem to be widely used against knights

[vocal vale]

how did i forget about THICK necked grand bascinets

sword that is also a boar spear that can also be used as a poleaxe because it has a sharpened guard

point of the sword is a spear, guard of the sword is a knife, pommel of the sword is also a spear

[iron ledge]

average hans talhoffer design

[vocal vale]

tis from fiore

"[7] This sword I use for a sword and an axe:[213]
With harness and without, whoever can take me, go ahead.

This sword is being used as both a sword and a poleaxe. And its great force can stop any attack from a lighter weapon. This guard is also the High Guard of the Lady, who with her skill can fool the other guards, because you will think she is going to attack you with a strike, but instead she will attack you with a thrust. All I have to do is raise my arms above my head, and I can then quickly launch a thrust at you."

with harness and without whoever can take me go ahead goes so hard

[uncut tapir]

Brown bear reference for if you are planning on adding bears to the game

[vocal vale]

i smiled really hard

[golden palm]

gorilla skeleton

compared to human skeleton

gorilla skin

gorilla muscles

[hallow hearth]

or they could just not make any more stuff for late 15th century

why yall want them to make out of period stuff so bad 😭

[forest idol]

anyone else get ROK vibes from this game hopefully the CodeHatch Curse stays far away from this gem

[river cove]

Do you have any bojler for sale?

[hallow hearth]

reminder

[floral cairn]

I would

[upper seal]

because fashion. any lack of armor in an armoury makes me sad

and for me, real first then have the tomfoolery later

[upper seal]

pardon me, bojler is first

[hallow hearth]

the 15th cdntury is full of several fashian accessories and armor

[upper seal]

it's NOT ENOUGH

https://tenor.com/view/lich-lich-king-litch-adventure-time-skull-gif-25713721

more

[golden ingot]

Plumes

[turbid shadow]

coming in the arena update I think

[iron ledge]

Hey lads whats the name of the kind of kettle helm with the long brim that's pointed at the front

Can't find an image

[golden ingot]

Amazing

[west garnet]

animal combat would be so cool omg

i wanna fight a lion

[uncut tapir]

I think bears are so terrifying. I always used to say bears would be scarier versions of dogs in dark souls and then Elden ring put bears in and you know what I think it was a great idea personally

[sullen charm]

the stands bite back

[vocal vale]

to be honest the 1400s were the best time for fashion in my opinion

tons of different looking gear you see from then

[vocal vale]

burgundians are fly as fuck

[hallow hearth]

these guys are swisss but ok true

cool ass wavy red cross so banger

[vocal vale]

yeah i saw it said burgundian wars and then i checked and it was between burgundy and swiss so i just shot for the more notoriously swaggy ones

[hallow hearth]

both are very swaggy

[stuck pelican]

SHEILD SLING

Peasant flail
1420 - 1497

Military flail
15th - 17th century

Horseman’s pick
13-14th century to 17th~

• usually used on a horse but we could also use it to penetrate armor I guess. Maybe you’d have to do much larger swings or 360 swings lol

Estoc
14th - 17th century

• pierces mail armor, two hand grip

Messer
14th - 15th century

[tepid edge]

how effective are flails actually

I heard mixed things about them

[stuck pelican]

Bardachie
14th - 16th century

• 🤤

Bill
Idk but it was in 15th century

Awl Pike(s?)
15th and 16th century

Pike
Old as shit

• old as shit

Ransuer
15th to 17th century

• dope spear

Voulge
15th century

• especially used in France

War scythe
Ancient times - 20th century

• Jesus

[tepid edge]

Replace current scythe maybe

[stuck pelican]

no?

just make current one incapable of cutting in half

[heady laurel]

Left-right, Thats a bardiche (Or voulge), a boar spear (Or ox tonguez spear), a halberd, a awl pike/ahlspiess, a weapon similar to a guisarme and a spetum, don’t remember the name just some fancy french shit, an odd halberd, a double pronged pike.

[signal matrix]

that is a pretty dope spear i will say

[tender shuttle]

Talhoffer Spiked Dueling Shield

[fleet junco]

Add studded leather armor

[golden palm]

i want to thank halfsword for being able to recreate medieval paintings in their characters posing

[agile trench]

you mean a brigandine? which has no leather at all except for a few misc straps?

[fleet junco]

Nah i meant coat of plates

[agile trench]

too early time period for this game unfortunately 😔

[vocal vale]

thats pretty much just an early brigandine

[agile trench]

^

so cool

[thorny gazelle]

Does this actually matter though?

Like, sure, maybe we shouldn't go all the way back to roman lamellar - I don't actually believe this at all, that'd be sick as fuck - but more armor options is always good.

And it creates a better sense of progression going from absolutely godawful tights and blouses to full plate, when you have lots of customization options between those extremes.

[agile trench]

its been stated by the devs, or implied that they want to stick to a more historically based theme with a specific era, if you want mixed centuries just go back to mordhau or chivalry

[thorny gazelle]

I haven't played Chivalry since it was a mod of Half Life or whatever

and I've never played Mordhau

[agile trench]

well there you go, go explore the 13th century knights fighting 17th century cuirassiers

[stuck pelican]

I feel like 14th century should be the most far back some items go

[agile trench]

maybe as antiquity items

[stuck pelican]

It can be written off as older equipment which can be lkke

Shown semi rusty or like

Worse condition

Like weapons

[agile trench]

they would have to be in poor condition really in order to fit

[stuck pelican]

the horse nail, some axes etc can be portrayed rusty, and then newer version portrayed better

[agile trench]

rusted, dented, scratched and torn

[stuck pelican]

I mean. There was armories. Maybe it was in the reserves area for a while

[thorny gazelle]

I don't know that the axes one really makes sense. They haven't really changed in the last 2000 years.

[stuck pelican]

I feel like dents shouldent be visible and stuff like that. Maybe torn a little. Like with ended of fabrics on the stuff and rusty and imperfection’s definitely

[agile trench]

it would be outdated so there would be no point in preserving it unless it was like purely decorative

[stuck pelican]

There was specific styles of axe

Like combative

And then laborer

[thorny gazelle]

I mean sure, but ultimately its a broad head for splitting wood, and a thin one for splitting meat.

That's a really disturbing sentence I never thought I'd write.

[agile trench]

an axe from the 14th century is certainly stylistically different than one from the 15th

[thorny gazelle]

I guess you do get a bunch of stylistic changes through the centuries though.

Engravings, punch outs, stuff like that.

How its attached to the handle.

[agile trench]

plus minor advancements in weight and efficiency

[thorny gazelle]

Quality of metal working is the big one. But that just goes for everything.

[stuck pelican]

PIG IRON

[thorny gazelle]

EL NASIR THIS BRONZE IS OF LOW QUALITY

I don't think that was his actual name. Somethin like that though.

Ea-Nasir*

[stuck pelican]

If you look at my suggestions and slys

You can see that like

Axes are yeah like azes

But way different

[agile trench]

either way, itd feel a little strange seeing a fully preserved and unmarked kit of a 14th century knight taking on someone with their 15th century harness

[hallow hearth]

those are voulges

[agile trench]

just stylisitcally different all alround

[stuck pelican]

I feel like dents shouldent be in the armor. But weathering and like rust basically should be

if it’s fabrics. The ends of it could be damaged

[agile trench]

great bascinets did spill in a little but your normal bascinets not really

@tender estuary hello friend

[tender estuary]

The swiss germans would kill you for using that word

[hallow hearth]

whats the wrod

[tender estuary]

Hello mortuus est from the mordhau server!

[hallow hearth]

whats the correct word

[agile trench]

im but a mere ghost in there now ever since the mods struck me down

[thorny gazelle]

I hope we get weapons aren't only strictly european though.

While "The Longsword" and "The Polehammer" are neat, they're way overdone.

Where's my turkish swords represenation.

[tender estuary]

Halberds

[thorny gazelle]

CURVED. BLADES. For a long time Skyrim reference.

[tender estuary]

But polearm terminology is quite weird, so I'm sure some frenchman has called halberds voulges at some point

[hallow hearth]

Whats stopping me from calling them Swiss Voulges

[tender estuary]

Same tbh
Haven't really made any new builds or played the game at all

[hallow hearth]

also isnt switzerland a like diverse country made up of italians, french, and germans

[tender estuary]

The swiss will kill you!

[agile trench]

made one build, got bored, logged off

[tender estuary]

Today yeah but back then they were basically all german

[hallow hearth]

idk the weapons look pretty different from the halberds they would use

feels like a stretch to call them halberds

[tender estuary]

I have played the new map and it's quite good, nice wetness effects on armor

[tender estuary]

Those are the earlier ones (well the earliest ones are early 15th century perhaps even very late 14th)

[tender estuary]

But they develop into the stereotypical 16th century halberd

[vocal vale]

personally if old "antique" items are added i'd love them to be rusty and shatterable like barrels

opens the door for cool screenshots, cool challenges, interesting looking item

[vocal vale]

like you smack on an old klappvisor bascinet and half of it chips off your head when you get hit

[copper nova]

I don't see why some less wealthy soldiers wouldn't be able to access old armour

I mean sure it's outdated but they can't afford new gear, why let it go to waste when it's still usable?

[hallow hearth]

it seems like a stretch

[vocal vale]

its not super outlandish to say something from the late 1300s would appear in the early-mid 1400s, roman soldiers used hand-me-down helmets for up to 50 years per helmet (i know its not medieval, just a reference)

one of the biggest arguments i could see on why things would be so up to date is that, simply, the people who wore the armor died wearing it. it would've been too much of a hassle to get tons of people to go collect the equipment from a bunch of corpses, and armor like chainmail coifs, full plated gloves, and entire coats of plates have been found at the site of the battle of visby

additionally, keeping up with your armor in terms of maintenance would've been a hassle for the common man. preventing rust, repairing damage, things of that nature would all be quite hard for the average guy to go through, and all the people who would be able to afford it could've just bought what's hip in the world of armor with the money they'd otherwise use on repairing the outdated

[vocal vale]

signed roman helmet, 3 separate names indicating each wearer

[copper nova]

That's fair enough

Would still be cool to see the occasional piece of old gear but that does also mean more work for the devs that could be spent on something else

[vocal vale]

yeah, definitely not a necessity but it'd be a fun addition

[stuck pelican]

True

[stuck pelican]

I feel like old gear should be added in for lower tiers

Like you usually get armor at around 3k (torso and rest)

So maybe replace that with older equipment. And by the time you’d be finished with all the old equipment, you can move onto the newer more protective ones

[copper nova]

Does anyone have various pictures of bevors? Doesn't have to be a specific century im just trying to figure out how to draw them

[heady laurel]

too many…

[copper nova]

Cheers

Its the front on view that i currently despise

[tight sand]

If i am not mistaken this armor was a peasant armor. Sadly, i dont remember the name of the battle

[wraith robin]

Maybe if they just had a random set durability on the armor/clothing, since it does get torn under abuse regularly

[copper nova]

possible

[stuck pelican]

Maybe chain Mail could break apart. It acts like clothes but it can dangle when it’s cut or such

[heady laurel]

It’s less prone to taking damage from cutting, crushing is more effective

[stuck pelican]

Yeah but it splinters a little from heavier melee weapons

maybe stuff with more velocity and bigger head like axes could do more damage

[tight sand]

Guys what do u think about adding chain mail into the game. Idk i think it will be OP due to the amount of cutting hits in the game

[stuck pelican]

I mean. There is plate armor

[signal matrix]

bad game

[agile trench]

Stale is a better way to put it, passion project that got too much popularity and went to their heads

[pliant minnow]

no its absolutely horrible

the mordhau devs are unaware of what half sword inc. is cooking up

mordhau will be nothing compared to this game

[signal matrix]

Mordhau used to be fun when the average playerbase wasnt all level 200s

[agile trench]

Again, that’s stale

[signal matrix]

Mordhau stands as competetive skill based, moreso than halfsword will be with the goofy physics

[spark sleet]

it was fun and then BOOM people started doing that pulled swing bullshit

[stuck pelican]

Eh, wrong

half sword has some crazy high ends tricks like throwing weapons accurately, advanced lunges and stabs and heavier blunt weapon attacks

[fading shard]

its just a mechanic of the game that you have to learn, idk why so many newbies cry so hard about it

[spark sleet]

what are YOOOOU doing here

[fading shard]

i play mordhau a lot so why would i not speak up

if you want me to teach you how to play ill glady help

[spark sleet]

exactly

it still makes the game less fun

for people

that are trying to learn how to fuckin play

[fading shard]

well you dont go to normal pub servers to learn how to play

you go to a duel server and ask and a few people will help

[spark sleet]

do you think new players know about the game

at all

maybe they got this game for the action and saw 48 vs 48 or whatever it is

so they decided to play that

[fading shard]

well the games combat system really doesnt shine there to be fair

[spark sleet]

what do you mean it doesnt shine there

[fading shard]

its bad

[spark sleet]

48 vs 48 is literally the main part of the game

[fading shard]

its a game mode

but i really only play duels

[spark sleet]

team gamemodes are the main gamemodes of the game dawg

[fading shard]

well its just meh

[spark sleet]

but how does the combat not do well in tdm and shit

[fading shard]

cause 1vx is so much harder

its better to learn to 1v1 first

[spark sleet]

dawg you have teamates to help you

[fading shard]

cause fighting multiple people is just gonna make it harder to learn anything

[spark sleet]

man

now since youre here what i REALLY wanna know is are you still fuckin working on soap dish world

[signal matrix]

But in the terms of how serious a game looks

half sword isnt a 'serious' looking game, very good

but its like how TABS is a good game, goofy physics

[fading shard]

the dev taking forever

hasnt touched it in like 3 months

i have everything on my part done

the maps been updated like 4 times

[spark sleet]

youre just workin on the map?

[fading shard]

i did like

the entire gameplay loop and ideas etc

vini develops it and rapapa does the map

[tepid edge]

What's going on here

Anyone need a timeout to cool off?

[stuck pelican]

Eh, that’s because there is only 1 scan rig

[vocal vale]

battle of visby, and yes it was peasants vs mercenaries. big slaughter, but if anything that shows that the common people didn’t go to retrieve the armor

too much of a hassle to go get all of it, part of why hand-me-downs weren’t super common

[tepid edge]

armored peasants?

how armored were they

[vocal vale]

chainmail, basic padding, leather jerkins

there were likely a few nobles participating with some better transitional plate protection but for the most part it was the common man fighting bloodthirsty mercenaries

it wasnt uncommon for peasants to have a few pieces of protection should the need arise or they were levied, pretty much "if you get drafted in war you'll want to pack a gun, too"

[tepid edge]

So like eventually helmets that were once considered top of the line might eventually get hand me downed to a peasant if they need to mobilize? For instance great helms.

[vocal vale]

maybe, but i'd say it was more likely to melt it down for something else or sell it, im sure there were some exchanges like you described though

[rough temple]

a lot of the defence peasants had and could afford were usually hand-me-downs, super cheap, or stuff you could make at home, like a basic helmet, leather clothing, and chainmail could be found for cheap depending on how tattered it was LMAO

they may have been illiterate and a little dull, but they had ingenuity

[tight sand]

Lets be honest Mordhau is not a bad game

it is good now

chivalry is dead

to

btw

[signal matrix]

yea i know

its just

the devs suck

they dont care about the game

its just a dead game

Mordhau has good parts

its fun

i only really play it duels

and with my bf anymore

[tight sand]

different games to be honest. Mordhau has some pluses and chivs 2 has coneses

[tight sand]

i know

[signal matrix]

I see mordhau as a duel game basically so my entire view is different

Chiv 2 is 100% for the cinematic fights

mordhaus gamemodes that were that are super dead

Yea, i even ended up hosting my own so i could kick people who just hacked or killed everyone

[tight sand]

but honestly Mordhau is successful. They dont have to support it all the time.

[signal matrix]

people are awful on modrhau

[tight sand]

still some of mordhau devs are bad

[signal matrix]

its dead

[tight sand]

but there are good people like grator

[signal matrix]

its only alive cuz they gave it away for FREE

it was alive for a fair bit

[tight sand]

as chivalry 2. You guys dont know what it means successful ?

[signal matrix]

Ive never played chiv, just seen stuff on it

idk the sales of either

nor do i really care about em

Chiv 2 seemed pretty active

here wait we can just like check rn on steam

[tight sand]

yes there are player in epic ]

[signal matrix]

Mordhau

Chiv

tru

i cant really check that tho

but chiv 2 is still more

Mordhau is a dead game

[tight sand]

it is not a big difference. They are still both dead

[signal matrix]

The last thing the devs did was release another payed dlc

sooooo

they dont care

[tight sand]

even if the game has 4000 players it doesnt mean it is alive

[signal matrix]

Mordhaus update was a map and a dlc

nothing to really

keep players in

[tight sand]

maybe it was last payed dlc btw

Devs dont care about the game

at this point. It was said several times

[signal matrix]

yea

ik

[tight sand]

again online is not a showcase of a successful project. The game got its success in the release and slightly after. For a small team of devs its huge amount of money . What is happening now. It is bad that they droped mordhau

but on the other side

they dont have to support it years after the release

every game has its end

And morddhau at this point will never get better. Its finished

chiv2 released two years after Mordhau

so of course it will have more players now

Mordhau had a big decline in statistic even without chiv2

[dull geode]

chiv 2 is better for casuals

[tight sand]

agree

but i would never play chiv 2 instead of mordhau

i ve bought it epic

[dull geode]

i like mordhau a lot more personally but its harder to get good at

[tight sand]

yup

[dull geode]

i got good at it and realized also that it isnt all that

[tight sand]

thats what i like about it and it feels more responsive

[dull geode]

its way better feeling yeah

much smoother and more satisfying

[dull geode]

to keep players they would need to fundamentally change the combat

which would take away a lot of the fun of the game

[signal matrix]

i think a big fix would be enertia based damage

[dull geode]

thatd ruin the combat at every level

[signal matrix]

nah

youd just have longer fights

[dull geode]

the game is already on a defense meta

[signal matrix]

what

[dull geode]

you shouldnt be buffing it

[signal matrix]

what

[tight sand]

nah it is not what they have to doo 100%

[tight sand]

he is right

[signal matrix]

how would it ruin anything

[tight sand]

counter attack are meta in the game

[signal matrix]

ripostes

[dull geode]

the strongest mechanic is chambering and to get around chambering you need drags

[signal matrix]

meta is a really dumb word

[tight sand]

damage is good they dont have to touch it

[signal matrix]

you can chamber a drag

[dull geode]

if you put in momentum damage it ruins drags and thus buffs chambers even more

[tight sand]

the have to fix drugs

[dull geode]

a good drag is one you don't see coming, so you chamber too early

[signal matrix]

what are both your hours

[dull geode]

1160

[tight sand]

700

[signal matrix]

ic

[dull geode]

and you?

[signal matrix]

less 500, i was just wondering

on the basis

[dull geode]

okay

[signal matrix]

i dont understand still

[dull geode]

its a hard to understand game

there is a ton to learn

[signal matrix]

i think momentum damage would help

drags are pretty stupid sometimes especcially the 2k hours kind of people

[dull geode]

i think also a lot of the fun of it is when time to kill is fast, keeps it fast pacex

[signal matrix]

the issue with mordhau is how hard it is for new players

[dull geode]

yeah

[signal matrix]

nearly impossible actually

[dull geode]

you just gotta find out what to practice and learn

[signal matrix]

i would bet a ton of people quit mordhau due to high levels

[dull geode]

if you dont have any direction on that its really really hard

[signal matrix]

but that makes the game too selective

[dull geode]

the games combat is quite nuanced

[signal matrix]

idk if id call it nuanced

[dull geode]

which is also part of why its so fun unfortunately

[signal matrix]

maybe jank

[dull geode]

new players see nuance as jank

[signal matrix]

i see it as jank, not a new player

[dull geode]

drags for example are a fundamental part of the combat system

[signal matrix]

laws of physics disagree

[dull geode]

its not supposed to be realistic

its supposed to be a melee slasher like chiv mw

[signal matrix]

its not meant to be not realistic either

the game is just inherently flawed

i dont think theres really a solution

[dull geode]

i see

[signal matrix]

But i think ive personally lost interest in the super competetive games

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull geode]

i really like mordhaus combat and i look forward to games that are upcoming and based on it

[signal matrix]

what games

[dull geode]

contingent, cinis, mobius, ad mortem to name a few

[signal matrix]

hm

i do like mordhaus combat i just wish it was refined more

Mordhau is too reliant on fights having drags

imo

it gets a little boring always hitting cuz of a drag

Opinions on this is based on the weapon u main tho

tbh

[dull geode]

what did you main?

[signal matrix]

rapier

smile

my gameplay is far more morph oriented

and chambers

[dull geode]

ah yeah

i like swing mani

manip

accels and drags

[signal matrix]

what weapon do u use most

[dull geode]

spear and halberd

[signal matrix]

spear is jank as fuck

[dull geode]

spear is awesome

[signal matrix]

well yea

but

jank still

stabs just look so weird

halberd is good

all the polearms drag almost too well

[untold plume]

why do you live in Detroit??

[tight sand]

what

[tepid edge]

What?

[fleet junco]

Add this buclker

[stuck pelican]

Peasant maces

[celest trout]

Flail

[raven dock]

i suggested the flails but i dont know if they will add it or nah

[celest trout]

i can only imagine the crazy glitches that will appear from having chain linked weapons. he only just fixed scabbards

[stuck pelican]

yeah peasant flail, mb

[signal matrix]

cuz its a place

where alot of people livs

live

[stuck pelican]

how do you guys manage to not read the title of this channel and correlate that this is about photos of medieval gear, not about Detroit or whatever

[untold plume]

Detroit just seems like an odd place to live in

[signal matrix]

detroit is a big place

[untold plume]

With lots of gun violence and crime

Low socioeconomic area, right? Or is that just a stereotype perpetuated by goobers on the internet?

[signal matrix]

it basically has it all, northern detroit is worse than the more south areas

[pliant minnow]

Detroit used to be a highly populated area in the medieval times

[bright token]

Some beautiful sallets and armour that dev could add if they want to

[thorny delta]

Maybe something like this too

[hallow hearth]

jackets and stuff that have designs going over armor would be awesome

[normal drift]

Falx, yes yes 🙏 ❓

[turbid shadow]

Out of the period for the game

[normal drift]

😔 true

still woulda enjoyed it. its pretty much just a scaled up version of the low tier sickle-knife thingies already in the game, and those are already fun to flail around.

[bright token]

The couteau de breche (breach knife) would be an excellent addition to the game since it was used in 15th century.

[rough temple]

Stabby knify

We love 15th century firearms

Handheld cannons that would knock you out as much as the enemy

[bright token]

Beautiful armour! Where is this from?

[dull geode]

i do not recall sorry

[fleet junco]

Waow

[upper seal]

out of period

the devs should make a different period one

just the cosmetics

[bitter storm]

some pics of some of the stuff i saw in italy last year

[normal drift]

just learned we're only doing 15th century stuff, so

awl pike 😍

[vocal vale]

i’ve seen a few hounskulls in the 1400s and even more hounskull-grand bascinet hybrids

i think it would’ve been very possibly to have seen a hounskull of some kind, especially for a poorer man or a more eastern european country

[vocal vale]

from switzerland

[upper seal]

a great bascinet predecessor would be right for the time's sake

or like an easter egg of an old dude wearing it

[tepid edge]

I'm going to clean up this channel of both our stuff now

Ok we good. I wish we can select multiple messages instead of doing it all one by one.

[stuck pelican]

1450

[tight sand]

we need it in the game

[tight sand]

daaaaaaaaaamn its painful to watch

[mortal wigeon]

Litteraly 📌

[stuck pelican]

We have something like this in-game already but on a smaller scale

Also I think somebody before said it was mid 16th century before

[normal drift]

So... awl pike good? 😍

[spark sleet]

sadly a bit too early

[normal drift]

wait how

[sand nymph]

flamberge fr

[dull geode]

it is not mid 16th century

to me it looks like 1450-1490

[desert quarry]

it looks like if the mordhau developers snorted even more crack than usual

[dull geode]

wym

[desert quarry]

the game

[dull geode]

halfsword?

i meant the armor

[spark sleet]

actually nvm

It could be added :)

[static bane]

scimitars and sabres would be a nice addition

cutlass too

[sullen charm]

Lol no awl pikes fits right in the period