halfsword-chat-⚔

[sand herald]

You can pop your save file into a UE save editor and copy the height and weight structs from your progressive mode character into your free mode character

I personally used this one https://uesaveeditor.cc

[restive barn]

I CAST THUNDER SPELL!! except i fucking missed

i have NO CLUE how i missed

[main orbit]

dude.

disarming is the most unfun mechanic ever.

[true zealot]

kill them before they disarm you

[primal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/full-charge-dragon-twister-dragon-twister-samurai-gif-25156650

[dapper tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/rjumen-laugh-man-cool-nice-perfect-gif-23675313

[true zealot]

more dancing willhelm

Truly a canned heat moment

[worthy folio]

has anybody made a mod that gives each armour piece an actual unique name

[true zealot]

afaik no

#modders-guild-hall might be able to help you

[worthy folio]

its so annoying that plate shoes are just listed as "shoes"

[restive barn]

what spell should i cast

[primal geyser]

cast bufoon

[lean niche]

Bufoon!

[restive barn]

what spell

out of the four

seems to be a tie

we need a fourth vote

nvm

a fifth

[restive barn]

they voted divine spears

[true zealot]

i <3 piecing up the body

[restive barn]

your wish is my command

[graceful shoal]

bleh, shame how unstable things are atm. framerates marginally better which is nice, but this like like the 4th time this hotfix ive crashed mid swing

[graceful shoal]

never happened in playtest/demo, never happened pre this hotfix

[restive barn]

why tf does the thunderspell love attacking me so much

[past kestrel]

polarms or pollaxes can't cut through shit anymore
legit broke this dude's arm instead of cutting it off

[true zealot]

try hit him with any other part of the blade

[past kestrel]

i did

[true zealot]

do it More

[past kestrel]

poleaxes cant cut thing anymore

thing become to resistant to slash!

[restive barn]

i love thunder spell

idc if it doesn't love me and wants to punch me in the face half the time

i still love it

[cursive sluice]

UNLIMITED POWER

[restive barn]

genuinely the coolest spell i have

FUCK

nvm one hit isn't that deadly unless it's to the neck or head

[mossy ingot]

this a mod?

[restive barn]

yes

[mossy ingot]

cool

[restive barn]

NEVER call a wizard a hedgeborn

[hallow ocean]

why the hell this game needs hair physics

[restive barn]

looks cool

[short arrow]

how can i also learn these wickedly cool wizard spells?

[gritty gulch]

Bully

[restive barn]

wait until i release the wizard spellbook mod and then download it

it's gonna be free btw

[hallow ocean]

You would take back your words if you saw the settings I play on.

It's ultrapotato mode, worse than low ultra performance

[short arrow]

I shall wait as long as it takes 🙏

[hallow ocean]

At least I have like what, 50 unstable fps on 3050

[short arrow]

awesome

[wheat mortar]

it just is the way it is dont ask questions

[gritty gulch]

Gregor needs guns

o wait

corssbow

[hallow ocean]

I guess I'll get 60 fps on 3060

and 90 fps on 3090

[short arrow]

the original fidget spinner

[restive barn]

k i'm adding a tank to half sword now

[wheat mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-tearing-up-happy-tears-laughing-gif-15225914

[restive barn]

you won't be able to rotate the head tho😔

[short arrow]

[past kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crushing-crush-industrial-shredder-crush-machine-gif-6713561014294556263

death to all vengeful souls!

[gritty gulch]

Standing here
i realize

[mossy ingot]

is 88kg the max weight you can be in vanilla?

[past kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-raiden-senator-armstrong-punching-indomitable-gif-14166479420035208375

[mossy ingot]

cuz polearms feel to unweildy even at max.

[gritty gulch]

i've gotten 90kg

[past kestrel]

93KG
there is no limit though
im at 100KG after 395 days

[mossy ingot]

idk if im misunderstanding the weight thing then

[hallow ocean]

Do you guys use "Crab tactic"?

It's when you approach enemy in crouch, ready to slash their legs

[mossy ingot]

how do you actually train muscle? because i tried just emptying my stamina for ages in the training and i went up my 1kg, 1, lmao

[gritty gulch]

steroids

[past kestrel]

thats not the actual way
you need to use the heaviest weapons and armor that you can use

i got to 100KG that way

[short arrow]

not purposely, I'm still getting the hang of the swinging and my willie often swings rather low.. I must've chopped off over 100 legs by now

[past kestrel]

there is no limit.

[mossy ingot]

and then do the thing?

[past kestrel]

its also best to actually fight in the real battles

training isnt really good

[gritty gulch]

how does armor magically make my 168kg Gregor not a big back

[mossy ingot]

are you sure?

[short arrow]

yea i found this out as well, i used to think brawls were a good way

[gritty gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-sure-mark-grayson-maybe-yes-invincible-gif-20907699

[mossy ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cool-yes-yep-okay-gif-22904418

[short arrow]

then i decided to just go full heavy armor and then made 2 very heavy swords and dual wielded them for a while

[gritty gulch]

NAH

[mossy ingot]

FACK

fuck these embed fails

why meee

[short arrow]

it really be like that

[mossy ingot]

if i play the "spar" mode does it count to muscle progression or whatever?

[gritty gulch]

problably

[gritty gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-cool-yes-yep-okay-gif-22904418

done

[mossy ingot]

yeah that one

[short arrow]

very little if it does, I only noticed my kg go up only once from spars

[modern trellis]

Hey guys, is there anybody can help how to remote play split screen?

[hallow ocean]

Any reasons I can't wear spaulders?

The slots for them are locked apparently

[gritty gulch]

you needrt arming doubletltlt

[hallow ocean]

Is it better than chained gambeson?

[gritty gulch]

better because you unlock more armor with it

[hallow ocean]

Fair, I think I can afford losing gambeson since I got chain and plate already

[gritty gulch]

also you can't wear vambrace or spaulders with chained gambeson

oh yea wait

you problably can't wear it because of the chained gambeson

yeah armor is compatible with gambeson

[hallow ocean]

Now I can't get in the shop

dammit

[gritty gulch]

why not

[hallow ocean]

It's not spawning there

I restocked it couple of times

[gritty gulch]

FÆ

i didn't even do anything he just ran up to me with an axe and gave up

[charred spoke]

i'd do that to if i were him

[charred spoke]

NICE SHOT!

[mossy ingot]

guys?^

[gritty gulch]

also why can't i hold anything?

[blissful jasper]

women once every month

[gritty gulch]

is it because i'm extremely massive or is it because of the gauntlets

[past kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sniff-gif-3199815179106739551

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946896121282834432/1028021470850449469/thedoginmyhands.gif

[gritty gulch]

ITT'S ESCAPING

[hallow ocean]

Sword feels surprisingly light after like what, 5 hours of playing with two handed axe

[past kestrel]

its gonna sniff you

[hallow ocean]

literally fury of blows

[charred spoke]

wait people play with swords?

[fickle panther]

Hey guys I feel the need to ask. Does muscle in game progress equally for the whole body or does doing jumps actually make your legs stronger specifically . In the .sav file it only shows up as weight and it directly contributes to full body mass and muscle

[gritty gulch]

whole

[hallow ocean]

It's doable up until knights

[gritty gulch]

yeah i quite literally can't grab anything

my hands are too slippery

[hallow ocean]

A lot of weak spots, easy to cut

fast and precise

Unlike axe or halberd

[charred spoke]

huh

[shell lodge]

wish you could customize your opponent

like fighting player 2 but hes a bot

[hallow ocean]

Thrusting throat in first person is so satisfying

[hallow ocean]

What kind of pants do I need for poleyns?

[opal moth]

hosen

[idle crane]

Specifically the ones without the boot looking things

[true zealot]

hello user manticbunsy

have you seen my cannibalism

[gritty gulch]

If i die in voluntary abyss do i lose character?

[hallow ocean]

That's the catch, thanks

[idle crane]

https://tenor.com/view/gulp-cat-gif-27257259

[true zealot]

Are you doing freemode abyss or progression abyss

[gritty gulch]

Progression

[true zealot]

Yes

[gritty gulch]

Darn

[true zealot]

Behold my feasts.

My feasts of flesh

[gritty gulch]

my Gregor was flying all over the place the moment i spawned in because i used 5x height multiplier

[idle crane]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-dats-what-i-woulda-gif-18253305946678612829

[primal geyser]

MOMMY HE HIT MEEEE

[true zealot]

show me your bites

[idle crane]

I lied :(

[gritty gulch]

is there a way to make it so that you don't drop your weapon every 2 seconds? my big steroid hands can't get a grasp on anything

[true zealot]

uhh

uhhh

paypal the devs 500 dollars

bribe them

[gritty gulch]

ragh

[distant bramble]

why cant i put spaulders

[true zealot]

remove the metal off the side of your doublet

speak to the armour guy sometime in the evening

[gritty gulch]

I love this

power

[halcyon verge]

Yo Guys, I have a question, is it possible to play halfsword with a friend using 2 different pc's on 2 different locations? I own the full release but he doesn't.

[gritty gulch]

I don't think there's online multiplayer

only splitscreen

[true zealot]

afaik theres only local play

no online

[halcyon verge]

Ooh.. So only locally

[true zealot]

#faq for multiplayer concerns

[halcyon verge]

unfortunate..

[distant bramble]

the jack?

[true zealot]

i believe so

[idle crane]

You can with steam remote play or parsec. There are guides on the steam discussion for how it works

[vital dagger]

context no

[formal forum]

Why the fuck does the demo suddently become so ass at the final challenge
I keep having glitches that ruin my attempt

[true zealot]

gruesome on final challenge?

turn blood and gore to minimum

thats usually what crashed games

[formal forum]

My character slowly drifting to the left
Weapon randomly dissapears
Being stuck on crouching

[formal forum]

I never crashed

[formal forum]

.

[true zealot]

i am unsure

drifting to the left do you have a blade/dagger sheathed?

[formal forum]

Oh and my hand being stuck unable to draw my sword

[primal geyser]

POV the devs drop a new update

[formal forum]

Yes

It was glitched very far away and I couldn't pull it out

[true zealot]

sometimes the blade glitches when you run/kick and it goes between your legs or off to the side and it drags you along with it while it tries to correct itself

[formal forum]

And my character's right hand refused to move

[gritty gulch]

how did this even happen

[distant bramble]

js found the armor guy it js tells me to add or remove chains

[true zealot]

remove the chains

[distant bramble]

i still cannot

[idle crane]

Do you have an arming doublet?

[distant bramble]

how do i know

[idle crane]

The item is called Arming Doublet

[distant bramble]

then no

after that can i equip spaulders and cuisses?

and vembrace

[idle crane]

You need an arming doublet without the chains. Yeah

[distant bramble]

do i js get it going through the game?

[jade flame]

why can't we thrust with arming swords anymore? or any other short sword

[idle crane]

You can buy them from the trader or steal them. You can tell its an arming doublet if the enemy has spaulders, cuisses or vambraces or if they dont have those there is laces on the shoulders that you can see

[jade flame]

I get into thrusting stance but can't actually move the blade forward and backwards like I could back in demo

[distant bramble]

ty very much

[idle crane]

The running theory is that they are mistakenly using the rondel dagger animation. Thrusts work fine in the left hand though

[jade flame]

oh what the hell

let me try that

[distant bramble]

and abt the crossbow can i js get the arrows from the map forest or can i buy them ?

if any1 know

[whole burrow]

i like some of the millek games, what the fuck does he know about optimization

[unique trellis]

using the rondel dagger in stabbing mode is also busted

my hand bends backwards into my arm whenever i try it

[jade flame]

OOOHHH YOU'RE RIGHT

wait they feel so much better than in demo too

[jade flame]

thanks I can thrust again 👍

[idle crane]

You can only find them. They spawn on the forest map and in a barrel somewhere on alley

[idle crane]

Works fine for me

[fallow valley]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040415733374533675/1449168444179091580/5af2224e3799801836d5c0768ad82ea1.gif

[unique trellis]

maybe my character lacks the knowledge and training to properly wield a dagger

[fallow valley]

Interesting

[idle crane]

Milek one of the Artists not programmers

[wispy zephyr]

I got a question for y'all. In split screen, it seems like the host has to use the controller, otherwise you control the same person. Is there a way around this?

[spice minnow]

how do you become stronger

[whole burrow]

exactly, what the fuck does he know about optimization

[idle crane]

Well probably not much considering he is a 2D artist

[soft osprey]

Fun fact there is certain gear you can only get in abyss. Don’t ask me what they are though

[vital dagger]

piss

[idle crane]

This sallet is one of them i think

[lethal ingot]

Nah, I stole one of those off a guy in the standard fights.

[idle crane]

Really? Ive never once seen it in progression across 40 hours

[past kestrel]

clean

[soft osprey]

The sallet has like..idk..3 or 4 variations

[lethal ingot]

I have gotten black armor from the Abyss which I've never seen outside of it though.

[humble bloom]

well the weaponsmith is hot and looks good but he doesnt plummet fps, that's a pretty good optimization track record in my opinion.

[idle crane]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[hallow ocean]

Why warstuff is so hard to fight

[lethal ingot]

Yeah, I'm specifically referring to the low one with the eyeholes and studs.

[soft osprey]

Ive gotten black harness, bevor, sallet, and cuisses from standard

[whole burrow]

okay youre right

he knows a lot

[lethal ingot]

Probably just sheer RNG then. There is quite a lot of gear to cycle through.

[soft osprey]

I know there’s another one with the studs like that in standard but idk about the eye holes, might be the same one

[gritty gulch]

why is lantern useless now

[soft osprey]

Because it’s a lantern

[gritty gulch]

no

[soft osprey]

Oh

[gritty gulch]

it doesn't do the one job it qualifies at

[idle crane]

It doesnt even do lanterny shit

[gritty gulch]

lighting places up

[soft osprey]

Don’t embarrass me in front of my friends

[gritty gulch]

lantern would've been so useful in night alley

[idle crane]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-princess-hello-kitty-hello-kitten-hwello-pwincess-discord-mod-gif-8006257255753720434

[humble bloom]

make the abyss pitch black and only let lanterns and candles light it up.
this would improve the abyss experience massively I swear.
franky hear our prayers

[frail veldt]

pray button in the abyss that reduces your souls by 1 at the price of a lengthy animation that could get interrupted if one attacks you

same voice lines as when willies beg for mercy

[gritty gulch]

can we fix the thing where our swords fly out of our hands

[slow lintel]

Hope they add option to choose whether we fight humans or zombies in Abyss!

[gritty gulch]

it's so annoying i paid 4K pfenninhs for that 4000 gram something sword and it just flew out of my hands

now it's gone

forever

[frail veldt]

tbf that is a crazy weight for a sword

[gritty gulch]

yeah it has gold decorative metal

and it still flies all over the place when i swing it too hard and lose my grasp

[frail veldt]

i only lose my heavier weapons though polearms are the worst offender

my swords i rarely ever drop

most of my swords are light n stabby

[slow lintel]

Guys, how do you equip weapon to left hand in the chest menu?

[frail veldt]

i dont think theres a button for it

you gotta fill the right hand first i think

[slow lintel]

I ended up filling all the rest of the spots yeah :p

I see

[frail veldt]

and then in the left choose something that is too big to holster maybe?

[hallow ocean]

Ok, I can't kill anyone on veteran with a sword

What now

[frail veldt]

swallow your pride and join the poleaxe committee

or if you dont have those yet, long mace

[grizzled dew]

progression done

my life is now empty

[frail veldt]

billhook carried me through those tiers personally and you can definitely find one of em

[slow lintel]

@frail veldt Also, I ended somehow getting a duplicate of my mace when I tried to equip it to my left.

[lethal ingot]

Get a heavier sword or get better at finding gaps in armor. Or just resort to a mace or poleaxe.

[wind charm]

new poleaxe tech drop

[frail veldt]

whether or not gaps are a meme largely depends on which rank you're on, at soldier tho im prettysure a lot of them have unarmored legs

and a good swipe at the legs will end pretty much any fight

[tardy cosmos]

how do I dismiss mercs?

just dont pay?

is there a cleaner way?

[quaint ingot]

why aren’t you wearing pants?

[lethal ingot]

I find plenty of em at max tier. They just take a bit of practice to learn to target, and you do need a reasonable weight sword to penetrate mail from what I can tell.

[frail veldt]

it's also why billhook helped so much at that tier, it can get around their cuisses which often leave the back unarmored

[slow lintel]

I think if you go to the tab you made them join you, you can get rid of them?

[frail veldt]

i feel your take on this may eventually change

[tardy cosmos]

you can dismiss but that just unassigns

[slow lintel]

Ah right.

[quaint ingot]

I’ve tried to kill them but that doesn’t work

[lethal ingot]

I don't see why it would change considering I'm at endgame, lol

[slow lintel]

Probably don't pay them then, yeah :p

[frail veldt]

the more you play the game the more you realize some things that you thought you had no trouble doing are significantly more inconsistent than you thought

[wind charm]

i lost them :(

[frail veldt]

gaps being one of them

[lethal ingot]

I've got about 80 hours at this point, still pretty damn consistent.

[frail veldt]

i also wonder what gaps you're finding at max tier, they kind of don't have many aside from armpits

[slow lintel]

@wind charm You can try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I03UmJbK0lA

haha

[frail veldt]

bit of a minority opinion then if you're so sure about this

[lethal ingot]

Armpits, underarms, inside the legs, funnily enough a lot of enemies at max tier also seem to lack neck armor so you can often slash their throat. Sometimes they have an open face you can slash through but the gap is very precise there.

[frail veldt]

hitting gaps on a resisting opponent in this game is very very difficult rn

[idle crane]

Ive been experimenting with that against the zombies in the void. If they dont have a helmet they are usually hunched over so their head is where a regular dudes neck is

[hallow ocean]

Warstaff kinda works on veteran?

[wind charm]

it's a risky play, but tearing off the feral spore's helmet while their on the ground is a free kill if you have a plan B

[frail veldt]

they occasionally don't have bevors that part i agree with, inside the legs though im not quite sure about since most of the max rank enemies have the backs of their legs armored as well, the knees are your only shot and no clue how you're manuevering past the polearm spam at that rank to get to their knees at all

[idle crane]

That is how i get 90% of the kills i get in the abyss

[humble bloom]

I noticed in freemode it was difficult to find knights with bevors.
fucking cheapskates getting themselves killed.
they have pauldrons more often than bevors and thats rarer to find in the merchant shop.

[quaint ingot]

sure…

[frail veldt]

o

[lethal ingot]

Not the lower legs, upper thigh. In the groin, effectively. Most commonly get it by effectively getting my sword inside the enemy's guard pointed down and levering it into their groin. It's a tricky one for sure though.

[frail veldt]

i've only found a single pair of pauldrons in my entire game

[slow lintel]

I hope they add an endless mode that allows you to select if you want to fight 1 enemy at a time. And choose the tier/tiers of enemies you can face! That would be so replayable!

[frail veldt]

no i mean upper thighs too, high level cuisses also armor the backs of the thighs i believe

essentially their whole leg is encased except for their knees

[lethal ingot]

Seems strange it would work as often as it does for me if there's no gap there. (Also doesn't make much sense physically due to how armor joints work and the armor being based on real armor.)

[gritty gulch]

what happens to the quiver after you pick it up?

it seems to just disappear

[quaint ingot]

yeah they don’t have a actual quiver yet

[lethal ingot]

The arrows unfortunately seem to despawn once you finish.

[frail veldt]

particularly in the time period the game takes place in fully encased cuisses were in use at the time, the backs were left exposed to allow for horse riding

[quaint ingot]

I’ve been able to collect bolts

[frail veldt]

also you might just have not gotten many enemies that use them, i definitely have, either way getting past their block to get to that gap is a massive hassle, plus you're also relying on the physics to let you swipe at something at such an odd angle anyway

[quaint ingot]

just have to hope they actually stick and not skid off

[frail veldt]

meanwhile with the weapons they use at that rank, they floor you in a single hit more often than not

better to just bring a mace and level the playing field imo

[quaint ingot]

Let’s see here I use a pole arm, with a sword and mace as back up

[frail veldt]

sucks cuz i just avoid high ranks when i wanna work on my swordplay since the state of the game just turns the game into Willie Must DIe mode unless you're rolling blunt

[lethal ingot]

I'm a fan of a challenge, and swords are definitely the highest skill weapon choice at higher tiers. You can't be letting bad habits perpetuate from using blunt weapons while using them against armor though, they're useless like that.

[frail veldt]

i play on reduced damage for both player and NPCs too to make the fights last a little longer and still they mostly end in one hit

[frail veldt]

in principle i'd agree but man i really feel like you're giving the game way too much credit for swords rn'

your wrists are made of rubber and parrying is very unreliable

[lethal ingot]

I will say they're harder than they were in demo, but also in demo they were broken and could carve through plate armor due to clipping issues.

[urban hedge]

I don't think I ever clipped through plate armor in the demo

[frail veldt]

clipping issues aside swords felt significantly better to use, not because they dealt more damage but because they actually controlled reliably well

[urban hedge]

If anything I see more enemies crippling me in the EA with sharp weapons despite full armor

[lethal ingot]

I definitely bisected quite a few Willies in plate armor in the demo in my 100 or so hours in it.

[frail veldt]

i've only had some suspicious sword hits on armored willies during a clinch where it could've very easily just been the blade getting under their helmet or in their armpit

i've never cleaved cleanly through plate

in demo i mean

[lethal ingot]

It looks a little silly because it also cuts the armor like it was made of cardboard or something.

I have yet to run into that issue, though I have noticed some of the opposite with some helmets. Where there are very clear gaps but now there appears to be some kind of magical energy field that prevents my swings and stabs from getting in.

[gritty salmon]

ts peak?

[frail veldt]

i would use swords in high tiers if defensive play felt like it could be relied on, which currently it really can not unless you're using a very heavy weapon, even still parrying the war staffs that are common at high ranks is highly unlikely with anything that's not a polarm

[gritty salmon]

i use swords at higher tiers because they WORK

[gritty salmon]

its either a buckler (that spikey one) and a arming sword or just using a big balanced longsword and waiting for them to make a swing and miss then rushing in

cuz then they have less power on their swings

if they swing again

[lethal ingot]

Swords are just damn good fun. Though using them against warstaves does require getting inside their guard so they can't lever a proper swing.

[frail veldt]

going in after a miss is often your only bet, though it's quite common that they'll immediately go for another overhead which will hit you even if their weapon was controlled in that moment

[gritty salmon]

ehhh

no

i've never really had trouble doing that

only in numbers

where theres multiple

can they do that

[frail veldt]

this is the only time i've seen this chat populated by people that werent experienced players shitting on EA swordplay

extremely suspect of things like "i've never had trouble doing that" when uh myself and many others definitely have had quite a lot of trouble not having your weapon buckle under you trying to parry

[quaint ingot]

I don’t have a problem with the swordplay in the EA

[frail veldt]

or enemy weapons completely ignoring them

[lethal ingot]

I mean I'm not surprised people get salty over it, it's notably less forgiving than the demo's swordplay was and requires both more precision and proper weapon weighting to get through mail.

[hallow ocean]

Char is holding poleaxe the wrong flipping way. Isn't he supposed to use hammer part?

[gritty salmon]

i just like using buckler to get in and pop them in the face
just holding out a buckler doesnt do much as in the demo i agree

[quaint ingot]

depends on the job

[gritty salmon]

they just seem better at avoiding guards

i've noticed this with the fistplay

[lethal ingot]

Using a light sword in the high tiers feels like I'm swinging a toothpick at them. Lol

[frail veldt]

people are getting salty over it because it's not working as intended, and functioned better in demo, how could you say it takes more precision and proper weapon weighting when your character struggles to hold a sword straight to begin with?

[gritty salmon]

if you are using an extremely light sword thats on you ong
but yeah i prefer just to go for halfswording

and then wrestle em to the ground or pop them in the neck

then poke at their armpits

[frail veldt]

halfswording pommel strikes i've found without a doubt the most success in, but at that point i think i'd just rather use a mace

[gritty salmon]

no maces are kinda shit ngl

[quaint ingot]

that’s what I did in the demo

[gilded breach]

Tickle their pits with your willie

[gritty salmon]

i feel like they are the worst

[frail veldt]

i thought maces were shit until a few days ago when i finally cracked how to properly balance them, they're overpowered as hell to me now

[gritty salmon]

yeah

same with swords honestly

the baron sword is SHIT

but a custom longsdword is peak

[frail veldt]

baron sword is terrible we can 100% agree on that

baron's beak is a cheat weapon tho

[gritty salmon]

i like custom poleaxes more

they just seem to be faster

[quaint ingot]

I didn’t balance my mace and went all the way with the weight

[gritty salmon]

and do th esame effect

[gilded breach]

Yes but i will still use it cause it looks awesome

[gentle wigeon]

WHERES THE UPDATES

[urban hedge]

I don't think I ever died with the baron's beak except for when it glitches through the floor and launches me off the map

[frail veldt]

relative to its weight the baron's beak is balanced by elderitch forces

[urban hedge]

But totally not stronger, The beak just cripples anything it touches

[frail veldt]

i don't think it's even possible to replicate it with a custom weapon since balancing it like the beak just aint possible

[gritty salmon]

i've gotten similar effects
the only effect i cant replicate is somehow the beak piercing through plate sometimes but like knocking off helmets and knocking them out is like

[frail veldt]

if you dont mind the constant flopping this can work but imo it just feels like complete garbage, i like being able to reliably control my weapon, hated maces until i stopped trying to make a fully head-balanced mace work

[gritty salmon]

the same i've felt

[quaint ingot]

I just use the wrist as more momentum

[gritty salmon]

no but like seriously

WHY ARE THE WRISTS

WHY DO THEY

[frail veldt]

you could make a poleaxe that feels similar to the beak but i don't think it's possible at the same weight and size

[gritty salmon]

HAVE 360 ROTATION

[lethal ingot]

What, you don't wield a machete like a lawn mower irl?

[frail veldt]

the dev team has said they're aware of wrists being an issue, apparently it's connected to the new muscle system which broke a lot of the physics and they're working on fixing it

[gritty salmon]

i've made like long ass doubleaxes that are honestly faster and do the same thing its really just the beak that sometimes pierces plate and helmets

i've died twice do the baron hitting me in the head and instakilling me

well went to the abyss

abyss is a cake walk

[frail veldt]

yeah the beak's the only weapon where i successfully drove the entire spike through a helmet, it's insane

[gritty salmon]

but i think that a custom poleaxe is overall better just baron beak is very good at instakilling

[frail veldt]

i haven't died to the baron yet, my strat is just avoiding him while i knock out his friends and then 1 hit KO'ing him with a bonk to the temple

i bring a few mercs to baron tourney mostly just to function as distractions and even having 1 makes the baron fight a cakewalk

[gritty salmon]

i died to the baron cuz i got my arm injured and ran at him and he just popped me on the face and murdered me
this happened another time where my leg was injured i fell and he smacked my head while i was on the ground

i do all my lord tourneys solo

they also dont have any neck protection which means lowkey bringing a sword is the best

like i think the knights there are special they have 0 neck protection at all times

[lethal ingot]

It's kind of hilariously satisfying to just slash their throats, yeah.

[frail veldt]

i've gotten my souls number hilariously high just farming peasants while i was practicing my thrusting

[quaint ingot]

I got bored of hitting them in the neck with a sword reason why I switched to polearms

[gritty salmon]

opposite for me

[frail veldt]

i flipped my opinion on thrusting being bad though, it's definitely still a little wonky and a little better in demo but in EA it feels like it's extremely footwork reliant

[gritty salmon]

i got bored of knocking them out with polearms and poleaxes

[lethal ingot]

I think the highest I've gotten on souls is 80-something iirc.

[frail veldt]

you have to step into every thrust basically to have it pierce at all

[gritty salmon]

you can aim higher but i feel like you apply less force on the other willie

[quaint ingot]

rookie numbers

[gritty salmon]

aiming higher is good sometimes you like

in the demo

just aimed at their torso and legs

[lethal ingot]

I also just haven't died in absolute ages.

So it might be much higher.

[gritty salmon]

EA is way too easy rn

[quaint ingot]

Yeah I tried to hit torso and always hit the neck

[frail veldt]

aiming thrusts is still the worst part of thrusting, you have very little control over the actual angle unless you time it really well mid swing or have enough time to carefully aim

[lethal ingot]

Thrusts are way too unpredictable for me to use for anything other than navigating lockups.

[frail veldt]

your control over the angle once in thrust mode boils down to "thrust slightly left or slightly right)

[gritty salmon]

thrusting at necks is actually easier then thrusting.. anywhere else..

[odd radish]

how is the visor separated

[gritty salmon]

i cut his helmet and head into two and idk where the head went

his helmet is STILL CONNECTED TO HIS BODY BTW

[frail veldt]

i have trouble thrusting at necks, chests or arms are my most successfully hit targets

[gritty salmon]

like i moved him around a b9it

[burnt quiver]

most of my strategy has just been using polearms and smacking people who can’t reach me and people who can reach me i just push their weapon to the side and smack them with the other end of my polearm and they can’t really do much

[frail veldt]

i think when it comes to necks my footwork might just be off

i might need to just move to the side more since i tend to hit their shoulder a lot

[gritty salmon]

this is the problem with giving everyone op polearms
this is why the knight tier in the demo gave you like a short poleaxe

and theres no greatswords

they cant do SHIT

and one hit in the head hurts them so badly

[proud cliff]

I found this weird circle in a willie's head and it has eye lashes on it

[burnt quiver]

yeah headshots against helmets are a bit too powerfull right now in my opinion

[frail veldt]

also thrusting works best with a short longsword, long ones are very unwieldy and i've made countless attempts at making an estoc rn

a shorter blade is just the way to go with thrusting swords

to minimize wobble

the balance also has to be RIGHT on the guard

[gritty salmon]

the circle of demons or smth

[burnt quiver]

i feel that way with the swords too things like the baron sword are just impossible to use outside of halfswording

[gritty salmon]

thats why instead of going to heaven or hell you go to the abyss when you die

or smth

idk

lore

halfsword

[frail veldt]

i've experimented a lot with diff balance points, if you don't mind the odd rubberwristing you could make a big and choppy sword work it just doesn't look very clean

baron sword is trash no matter what

[lethal ingot]

It really is awful.

[burnt quiver]

i feel like most of the time i would rather have a slightly smaller sword that i have complete control over

[frail veldt]

agreed, the choppy sword was an experiment to see if i could make it work by breaking the common wisdom around balancing swords in this game

i succeeded but i still preferred the light and nimble ones

[burnt quiver]

especially for things like hitting necks on willies without bevors

[burnt quiver]

depends on heights though

[frail veldt]

i had to research how irl swords are balanced for a few days to even vaguely get an idea but specific details are hard to find on it

[burnt quiver]

oh i just knew from percy jackson that you wanted the balance to be by where your hands are

[gritty gulch]

why can i lowkey not grab the crossbow

being so tall is a problem

[frail veldt]

most sources just say "balanced a few inches past the guard" which doesn't easily translate to where tf to put it in-game, the game also seems to care more about the weight of individual components rather than just the point of balance

[burnt quiver]

ctrl to crouch

[gritty gulch]

no

when i grab it

it just slips out of my hand

unless i grab it with the one on the left

[burnt quiver]

is your right hand damaged?

[gritty gulch]

nope

all good

it's just these big steroid fingers

[burnt quiver]

pick up with left hand then hit x to switch hands

[frail veldt]

for instance the classic "balance only with the pommel and a light blade" seems to consistently result in a sword that feels like complete trash even if the balance point is technically right, if you do use the weight of the guard and grip as a part of it though you could make something that feels as good as it can with the state of physics rn

[gritty gulch]

causing everything to slip from my hand

[gritty gulch]

same thing happens

i just can't hold it with my right hand

[restive barn]

hi twinions

[burnt quiver]

try just holding on to it and then progressing forward by holding g to see if it fixes

[burnt quiver]

(hold on to it with left hand it should stay)

[gritty gulch]

i decreased height imma see if that works

[burnt quiver]

Yeah the pommels feel pointless right now on swords

i always just customize to have the lightest one

[frail veldt]

they're definitely not it's a fine dance between the pommel weight and everything else to not have it result in a floppy mess

it unfortunately takes a loooot of trial and error

my inventory is filled with duds from countless failed attempts until i finally cracked it

[burnt quiver]

i think i mainly just resorted to stealing swords off of enemies after making a sword i could barely swing and it was a bit better

they tend to have balanced swords

[frail veldt]

unfortunately true

you have better luck just using a bought or scavenged longsword than the gruelling process of making a custom one that's not terrible

[burnt quiver]

you can test the swords which is nice but it still takes a while to figure out

[frail veldt]

i gave up like 6 times before i finally had my aha moment with it

that first time going into testing mode and realizing "wait this one actually feels kind of good" felt fantastic tho

[burnt quiver]

i’ve never really used the gold metal by the way it seems to me like it’s just too heavy and you have to sort of build the rest of your weapon around the fact that you’re using gold

[frail veldt]

i experiment way too much with customs to have even had the chance to use gold lol

dump thousands of pfennies into that shit

[burnt quiver]

Also my willie not being able swing a 4,000 gram (around 8 pounds) poleaxe is so funny to me

[frail veldt]

historically 8 pounds is overweight for a poleaxe

i believe

[gentle wigeon]

yo why is the Baron standart actually the worse standart I have ever seen 😭 and you can't even adjust it either to make it better

[frail veldt]

that's a really heavy weapon, the thing with weapons (at least what skallagrim tells me) is the weights are often less than people expect but you're still swinging that thing for extended fights and even a difference of 2 pounds seriously adds up over the course of a fight

[burnt quiver]

it was i think but it’s still manageable and it feels like my willie is just a weakling while i watch him let go of the poleaxe with one hand mid swing

[burnt quiver]

it’s just the regular standart but the bottom lining rings are gold

[gentle wigeon]

I LOST 2 OF MY BEST MERCS THATS BEEN WITH ME SINCE THE FIRST BARON FIGHT FOR A FREAKIN STANDART 😭 🙏

[frail veldt]

plus weapon balance matters a lot, 8 pounds that feels like a rock on the end of a stick will feel very different than 8 pounds that feels like an extension of your arm

[gentle wigeon]

not even vro this ones ALOT shorter

[lethal ingot]

https://blog.subcaelo.net/ensis/documenting-dynamics-of-swords/
In case you're unaware of this

[burnt quiver]

that’s true yea

[frail veldt]

this is exactly what i needed and just couldnt find at all lmfao

[burnt quiver]

some of the baron armor is just a downgrade tbh

[frail veldt]

casted maces are stiill a mystery to me

i havent made one yet that wasnt a dud

my theory rn is that they're supposed to be way lighter than you're lead to believe

since i brought a light one into some knight fights and still got a one hit KO out of it

[lethal ingot]

There's lots of HEMA documentation on sword designs and dynamics but most require some very heavy reading. Chevalier and Johnson's work for that exhibit is a bit more accessible. I was a big European arms and armor history nerd so have a decent collection of books on the subject that are pretty dense.

[frail veldt]

figuring out ideal weapon length is a far bigger headache than the balance, the balance you can check out in the testing mode but the length itself matters a lot in an actual fight which there isn't an option to test it in withouit buying it first

[gentle wigeon]

so far its just the standart that seems like the absolute worse of em all

[gritty gulch]

you can kill willie by just stabbing him with a loaded crossbow

[burnt quiver]

the baron vambraces just cover less area than the regular ones i only use the baron vambraces for asthetics

[frail veldt]

the perk of baron armor seems just to be that it's significantly lighter than its non-baron counterpart for the same amount of coverage

[gentle wigeon]

but it makes you more nimble + its spikes on the elbows, also idk about yall but me personally I never ever gotten hit in any gaps on my arm limbs

[burnt quiver]

i forced a willie to pick up my loaded crossbow by knocking the axe out of his hand and instead of shooting with me he just tried to smack me with it and stab me with the bolt on the end

[gentle wigeon]

that makes sense

[frail veldt]

also i would like to personally confirm that 93kg is not the weight cap

[burnt quiver]

on some of the items though the weight seems to be identical

[frail veldt]

i seem to have been one of the only people in this chat that got their weight higher than 93 organically

[lethal ingot]

I've definitely gotten my arms disabled by slashes or stabs through the gaps. Not often though. Maybe a handful of times.

[burnt quiver]

it still seems to be the purpose of the baron set though

[burnt quiver]

usually happens to me on my legs but it happens to me too

[burnt quiver]

i just got my slider as far to the right as possible and then stopped trying

[frail veldt]

very very rare for me, the only time my blood is spilt in armor is if my helmet inexplicably flies off my head or i fell over under my armor's weight and got my skull bashed in trying to get back up

[burnt quiver]

helmets falling off happens when you don’t have a helmet strap btw

[frail veldt]

a lot of the helmets don't have a strap option

barbutes cough cough

[lethal ingot]

Or if you accidentally press H.

[frail veldt]

embarressingly did happen a few times trying to use taunts

im mostly talking about it flying off after taking a hit

[burnt quiver]

I think it would be interesting if they made it so armor didn’t automatically repair

[frail veldt]

i have so many custom weapons i've lost track of which ones are and aren't duds

and i wanna clear my inventory

[burnt quiver]

like getting a helmet stuck on your head because it’s deformed shut around your neck

[frail veldt]

i want limbs to retain their stiffness after they're broken, would make broken limbs a very gnarly sight to behold

[burnt quiver]

or just having to deal with the damage to armor over the course of the game

[frail veldt]

bones don't turn to jelly when they're broken after all

they retain whatever structure they still have

[burnt quiver]

Yea i’ve broken legs on the willies before and they sort of just start flopping around

[final crest]

Hammer

[frail veldt]

sickle or shovel

sickle best bet

[final crest]

Hey ya'll quick question; I am at like the 3rd level in progression (forget the name), but most of the enemies now have armor and the only thing I can find is the armored hat in the trade area, crafting armor (when that occasionally pops up) has no armor available. Am I doing something wrong?

[frail veldt]

you want your hands on a blade with some reach as soon as you can in the beginning

[lethal ingot]

I have had similar thoughts. Though need a more robust armor sundering and buckling mechanic if so.

[frail veldt]

if you see an enemy with a sword grab that shit as soon as you can, a single messer will trivialize beggar and commoner ranks

[burnt quiver]

you’re able to grab armor off of bodies by grabbing on to their body and then holding the grab button for the same hand you grabbed them with

[lethal ingot]

Dual messers is hilariously fun at lower tiers.

[final crest]

Oh shit, thank you!

[frail veldt]

you can also hire a merc (they tend to be higher rank than yours) let them get knocked out in a teamfight and strip them after its over

or have them face an unfortunate accident by other means

[burnt quiver]

also commoner rank rarely has things like breastplates in the trading area i believe but armor tends to be really expensive (around 120-150)

[frail veldt]

abyss is also a source of armor early

though also very risky since you're ill equipped to handle zombies

[lethal ingot]

Counterpoint: They absolutely can if they're shattered. I've seen that in person irl.

[frail veldt]

like i said, retain whatever structure they still have, if they're crushed to powder there aint much left except meat

[burnt quiver]

most of the time it’s light fractures and they keep stiffness but they should be able to also shatter if hit hard enough or hit enough times

[frail veldt]

i just want breaking a dude's kneecap with a mace to result in a leg that is still mostly a leg but bent the wrong way

[lethal ingot]

It would definitely add to the brutality to have a variety of different breaks. From hairlines to full fractures to compound fractures to shattered bones.

[frail veldt]

also add correctable dislocations so i can properly experience my IRL injury in-game

[lethal ingot]

But will my Willie be left with a lifelong impingement afterward?

[frail veldt]

it's only fair

[burnt quiver]

how do you shatter bones by the way i’ve only ever fractured my arm a few times

[frail veldt]

swing a weapon that's slightly too heavy? hill-sachs deformity time, your willy can no longer swing overhead without risking disabling that arm for the whole fight

[wheat leaf]

First thing I made was a max length 2h mace, it worked well enough to carry me to T5

[restive barn]

hey chat

lemme see if my mod works

[burnt quiver]

like what trauma do you put your body through

[frail veldt]

bone shattering is not something that happens often to your average joe lol

[lethal ingot]

Extremely hard impact with a surface that has no give, in the case that I witnessed it was falling onto a concrete curb.

[burnt quiver]

oh i could see that

[lethal ingot]

Typically also a sign of bad bone health but it can happen even to very healthy people.

[frail veldt]

i will probably spend my whole life very salty over the fact that i got a permanent injury because i just so happened to be born a little more flexible than normal

[gritty gulch]

So i knocked the hoe out of this willie's hand and he just started staring at it

i feel threatened.

[burnt quiver]

valid grudge

[tardy cosmos]

just got to knight - should I just be wearing the best/heaviest armor I can?

[gritty gulch]

yes

[frail veldt]

tfw you've never broken a limb in your entire life but 1 bad gym class in high school and your shoulder will never be the same again even though you were just playing volleyball completely normally

[dire zephyr]

bro dropped his weapon outside the circle

[gritty gulch]

I wonder

[burnt quiver]

focus on protecting your body completely with armor and then worry about weight and optimizations

[gritty gulch]

if i set my bolt value to inf will i get infinite bolts?

[burnt quiver]

i feel like it’s always gym class that gives you the broken bones or injuries

[wind charm]

we are so fucking back

[lethal ingot]

Understandable, in my case my shoulder impingement was purely a result of my middle school (this was 20 or so years back) being ridiculous in how many books they were demanding we lug around in our backpacks and I lifted my backpack funny while getting up from class.

[gritty gulch]

holy willie

[burnt quiver]

like a few years ago i fractured my wrist because i was chasing a ball in gym class and slipped in mud

[gritty gulch]

BUTTER MY BONES!

[frail veldt]

prolly cuz they don't at all teach you how to avoid injury so if someone has a condition they're unaware of it can happen by freak accident despite likely being avoidable if they were actually taught proper form

[frail veldt]

like up to that point i just thought it was kinda neat that my joints were as flexible as they were, only to discover the hard way that flexibility does not extend to the cartilage keeping those joints intact

[wind charm]

whatever you're doing, keep doing it holy fuck

[restive barn]

[zealous saddle]

plz just let us lower the specs even more

[tardy cosmos]

okay thanks 🙂

[gritty gulch]

how does the tank deal with armor

[restive barn]

hjolyshit this took so much time

jk it wasnt that hard

[frail veldt]

your name makes this post a lot more ominous than it normally would be

[zealous saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/enigma-benedict-cumberbatch-looking-down-gif-15183807

[frail veldt]

what is alan turing putting these willies through

[zealous saddle]

idk they got me pinned to the ground

3v1

[restive barn]

personally i think the tank is a bit too big so i'll shrink it

i hope it's usable now 🙏

[zealous saddle]

how do i have it full screen with the fact that its the lowesr qualiuty

[frail veldt]

alan do you happen to be in the slums map

[lethal ingot]

Should make one of those tankettes.

[zealous saddle]

the 3v1 was on the arena from the demo

rn im in the slums

and its worse

[frail veldt]

what are your specs

[zealous saddle]

bad

[gritty gulch]

polish TKS in forest map

[zealous saddle]

thats all u need to hear

[zealous saddle]

did someone say polish

https://tenor.com/view/scream-love-poland-gif-10918710646251769391

[gritty gulch]

das' poland

[frail veldt]

PC gaming right now is impossible on hardware that isn't relatively new

blame overreliance on upscaling

[zealous saddle]

my hardware is worse than school pcs

[lethal ingot]

I mean, I run pretty budget hardware and can play pretty much everything.

[frail veldt]

what's your GPU

[zealous saddle]

i also can run pretty much everything, enjoy? thats a dif questiopn

[wind charm]

[lethal ingot]

GTX 1660 Super

[frail veldt]

this immediately puts into question your definitions of the words "run" and "anything"

[restive barn]

m00 wanna playtest tank mod

[gritty gulch]

i can't find bolt value in the half sword files

[zealous saddle]

i have an nvidia quatro whatver that is

[wind charm]

aight i'll bite

[lethal ingot]

I have yet to run into a game that doesn't run. Halfsword runs around 40FPS average, Helldivers 2 runs at a steady 60FPS. 🤷‍♀️

[frail veldt]

exactly what i expected lol, a lot of people don't consider 40fps to be running successfully

[restive barn]

alr

[frail veldt]

helldivers is prolly just optimized well but idk cuz i dont play it

[restive barn]

do u know a way to share lrge files? this is a file containing all my mods

why are the shells not despawning

[restive barn]

it's 2gb

[zealous saddle]

my pc is the definision of running gta 5 on a gameboy

[crimson compass]

man how the fuck did they manage to even release this shit and the stabbing straight up doesnt work

Did just nobody even test it out??

[frail veldt]

i knew a girl that played overwatch at 15fps, got used to it and insisted that it was fine and she couldnt tell why our friend group was outraged

[zealous saddle]

they were too busy on the slums

[simple vigil]

have you tried

[restive barn]

nvm it's currently too early in dev 😔

[simple vigil]

the pollaxes

[soft osprey]

I swear ive never seen you say anything positive about halfsword 😭

[restive barn]

a few kinks to work out

[merry ridge]

You know what

[crimson compass]

I'm just so unbelieveably disappointed by EA because I LOVE the demo.

[merry ridge]

I am going to talk about a political figure in this server.

[lethal ingot]

People are delusional. Your eyes can't even perceive a notable difference above 60FPS and it's already getting fuzzy there. Your brain's functional latency is around 50-100ms.

[tranquil lantern]

I grew up on really big simulation games, so most of my time was spent in slideshows😭

[simple vigil]

just pure misinfo lmfao

[crimson compass]

I really WANT to like this game but they keep just making it very hard to actually enjoy it.

[frail veldt]

your eyes can definitely tell the difference above 60fps

[merry ridge]

CHARLES THE FOURTH, the king of bohemia and the holy roman emperor had a long and successful reign

[simple vigil]

going from 60hz to 144 was day and night

[tranquil lantern]

New pfp dont hit as hard🥀

[frail veldt]

undeniably, your eyes can tell the difference

[gritty gulch]

how do you make willie obese

[merry ridge]

Make him hulk

[soft osprey]

Someone made it for me, I have to use it for a while

[zealous saddle]

why did my polehammer or smth just fly away

[restive barn]

eat your enemie willies

[gritty gulch]

i've seen an image where willie is obese, not ripped

[crimson compass]

console player take lol this is certifiably false lol

[merry ridge]

Then eat your willie

[gritty gulch]

I canntnt

[frail veldt]

denying this is legit cope or just blissful ignorance, day 1 of being able to consistently hit 144 on a monitor that can display that rate and you'll realize you were lying to yourself for years thinking 60 was good enough

[simple vigil]

its funny because consoles can already push 120 fps on certain games

[simple vigil]

yes

[tranquil lantern]

Im not even sure what the problem is with 30fps. Games running that look smooth

[simple vigil]

i play competitive shooters so its much more noticable

[frail veldt]

90% chance this is ragebait

[lethal ingot]

It's genuinely pretty well founded science. Human eyes don't perceive things in frames so it's a bit of a blurry measure with some variability in motion perception, but it's a very real thing with actual studies backing it.

[restive barn]

lmao holy head hit

[soft osprey]

You can see a difference between 60-120 but it gets less noticeable as you go up. Humans dont see in FPS like that so you can’t really say, humans see in so and so fps

[crimson compass]

weak ragebait L

[simple vigil]

yes

diminishing returns after 144

[tranquil lantern]

Lowkey deadass, its not ideal but it plays😭

And plays well at that

[simple vigil]

its good for

cinematic games

[crimson compass]

You can just look with your eyeballs brother. YOu can 100000% tell the difference.

[frail veldt]

there can studies that hypothetically back anything depending on their methodology, what you said is not something you can empirically disprove since anyone that has felt consistent 144 vs consistent 60 will tell you the difference is undeniable

[crimson compass]

Anybody that has experienced it can tell you that for a fact.

[lethal ingot]

I have and I genuinely can't tell a difference.

[soft osprey]

I think everyone should be forced to play at 30fps

[simple vigil]

so

anecdotal

[soft osprey]

Just because I want it

[crimson compass]

I don't know what to tell you then. Maybe get your eyes checked I guess?

[frail veldt]

i just frankly don't believe you, it's like saying you can't tell the difference between color in 80s movies and color in modern ones

[lethal ingot]

Correct, which is why I reference studies and not just "You can tell, bro."

[simple vigil]

again

its pretty fucking obvious

you can look it up

dont just refer to "studies"

[crimson compass]

He's gotta be ragebaiting atp

[restive barn]

while i figure out the shooting stuff i like taking the high ground with the tank

[gritty gulch]

that is a

small tank

[crimson compass]

This discord is full of little 14 year olds that still think its funny to act intentionally stupid

[frail veldt]

the existence of studies proving your point is not enough to prove your point is actually sound, studies are evidence that support a conclusion not concrete proof of a conclusion being true

[restive barn]

it's so willie's small ass can get on

plus it can move

[gritty gulch]

add larder trjjust

[restive barn]

larder?

[soft osprey]

Though yes, it is something you can see yourself, you can’t just use that as proof of something your saying is fact. Studies are there for that exact purpose. To be clear, I agree with you. But still

[gritty gulch]

ok but can it m00?

[restive barn]

huh

[zealous saddle]

is 25 playable for you?
is 20 playable for you?
is 15 playable for you?
is 10 playable for you?
is 7 playable for you?
is 5 playable for you?

fps*

[gritty gulch]

let me speak more clearly, add stairs

[tranquil lantern]

I say 30 is where I draw the line from playable to this is ok

Ok at most

[humble bloom]

Vaguely referencing studies that might not even be scientifically sound is worse than giving anecdotal evidence just based off the fact it pisses everyone off.

[restive barn]

nein never

[gritty gulch]

KILL

SEL

[zealous saddle]

on slums its 7

[restive barn]

i like my small ass tank

[simple vigil]

what specs

[zealous saddle]

vegetables

[gritty gulch]

how does it work tho?

[soft osprey]

Are you tryna run on max settings

[gritty gulch]

how do you mount it

[zealous saddle]

its the lowest settings

[soft osprey]

I think your pc might just be a typewriter

[frail veldt]

if studies were proof of concrete truth there wouldn't be well-crafted studies that directly contradict each other, at least in academia something's only really considered true if it's been VERY widely studied and consistently and predictably has been found to be true with little or unconvincing evidence to the contrary, the human eyes not seeing past 60fps is not one of those conclusions we can confidently reach

[restive barn]

it moves when you press ijkl and it fires when u press o

[zealous saddle]

its a fruit bowl

[gritty gulch]

how do you mount it

[crimson compass]

Okay yeah I finally scrolled back up to see the beinning of this thread and you are delusional/coping. 40 FPS is not acceptable to most people. IMO that is unplayable

60 is BARELY playable

[restive barn]

huh

[pale jewel]

any tips for getting split screen to work on remote play?

[zealous saddle]

who u talking to

[simple vigil]

60 is playable

[soft osprey]

I wouldn’t go that far. 30 fps is still playable

[zealous saddle]

lowest settings

[simple vigil]

anything above is just preferable

[gritty gulch]

60 is playable

[soft osprey]

If you can literally play it it’s playable, just not preferred

[frail veldt]

60 is definitely playable though that part is relative, some ppl get motion sick on 60

[crimson compass]

30 is NOT playable

It is 2026.

Please

[soft osprey]

You kids nowadays

[frail veldt]

30 is playable if you give it enough time

[soft osprey]

Spoiled I tell you

[crimson compass]

Dawg I'm 25

[simple vigil]

it is

[zealous saddle]

back in my day we have 30 frames per MINUTE

[simple vigil]

bloodborne is 30 fps

and its still goated

[pale jewel]

back in my day we had 30 frames per year

[soft osprey]

And had to walk uphill 10 miles just to reach the pc

[frail veldt]

you can hypothetically get used to any framerate to the point where it's playable if you just stick to it long enough, anyone who's played GTA san andreas must know this

[simple vigil]

yes

if you get used to say 30 fps it wont feel bad

[zealous saddle]

whenever you sneezed too loud the pc would turn off

[zealous saddle]

i got used to 7

[lethal ingot]

I grew up in the days of DOS when games would regularly be designed to run at around 10-20 FPS

[frail veldt]

that game has to be locked at 25 fps for its physics to function properly, the game has an option to lock it there, it feels like horrible dogshit at first but after a few hours you get used to it and don't notice as much

[soft osprey]

If somebody used the microwave or phone it’s game over

[lethal ingot]

This is some goofy business

[restive barn]

chat should the projectile be a physical object (no explosion) or a line trace (yes explosion

[crimson compass]

Nah 30 fps is shit and unplayable no matter which way you cut it IMO. There is no getting used to that. I used to have a shittier PC and you never really get used to it, it sucks all the way through.

[simple vigil]

lmfao

i used to play dying light on 5

with my shitty ass laptop

goated times

[crimson compass]

Why even bother at that point

[zealous saddle]

i tried playing the same game on a school pc and it as 10 fps so my pc is 3fps worse than my schools

[mint wave]

ânybody else who realy hates zombie willies with axes?

[soft osprey]

Youre 25, you havent grown up on 60fps+ your entire life, you obviously played with less fps before

[frail veldt]

if your PC was shitty and you couldn't get used to 30 chances are your PC couldn't run a consistent 30 in every game and framerates would vary, if you locked every game to 30fps and played that way exclusively for a month you would absolutely get used to it

[simple vigil]

not really

[frail veldt]

consistency is a bigger factor in how playable a framerate is over the actual framerate

[simple vigil]

yes

150 fps with drops to 70 will always be worse than a steady 60

[zealous saddle]

the lowest i've ever expierinced was in the FPM when i was testing smth out

[simple vigil]

same with 30

[tranquil lantern]

Ts ragebait🥀

[lethal ingot]

100%

[crimson compass]

Yeah when I was in like middle school lol. I hated every second of 30 fps gaming lol which is why I tried so hard to get upgrades. I eventually bought a much more powerful PC and never looked back. If I could only run a game at 30 FPS I would rather not play at all. I don't care if it has the best gameplay in the world. The low FPS gives me a headache almost immediately.

[zealous saddle]

ill show yall what unplayable means

[frail veldt]

it's always better to lock framerate to the highest that you can get without frequent drops rather than just letting it vary wildly

[crimson compass]

Sorry buddy welcome to the modern era. It's not 2005 anymore.

[zealous saddle]

just loading up*

[crimson compass]

60 is the minimum for PC gaming in 2026.

[lethal ingot]

Do you get migraines? Because that sounds like a migraine trigger.

[frail veldt]

i can run 144 in most games with my current build and in some games i still lock them to 60 because otherwise it will vary between 70 and 144 which feels horrible no matter how you cut it

[crimson compass]

Nope no migranes whatsoever outside of that. The choppiness hurts my eyes at sub 60 fps

[dusk creek]

120 the minimum is 2026 keep up

[simple vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/wiener-wiener-dog-dachshund-mad-betrayal-gif-6139006518294198536

[lethal ingot]

Outside of that? So you do get them from visual input?

[crimson compass]

I'm still stuck on a 3080, I'm falling behind the times...

[vital dagger]

Aint felt 10fpm

[frail veldt]

i am very suspicious of framerates over 144 though i know the monitors for it exist but at that point i do start to wonder if you can actually tell the diff

[frozen wyvern]

If you aren’t playing a crisp 256 fps then you’re a stupid stuttering nerve ape who belongs on a cross

[simple vigil]

yes

[frail veldt]

what's your monitor at

[simple vigil]

theres 720hz monitors now

[simple vigil]

i use 144

ive spoke to many people who swapped from 144 to 360

[crimson compass]

I don't think it's a legit migrane is what I'm saying. It's not like super severe at all but it is uncomfortable to play for anything longer than like 5 minutes.

[soft osprey]

I can accept the reasoning of getting a headache at lower fps being the reason it’s unplayable, I’ll ALLOW it

[frail veldt]

did they say you can tell and the difference is an upgrade?

[crimson compass]

IDK I haven't spoken to a doctor about it, maybe it is migrane

[simple vigil]

yes

[frail veldt]

guess i'd probably trust them then or i'd have to see for myself

[lethal ingot]

Sounds worth talking to a doc about, could be an eye issue as well. Migraines are a neurological thing.

[simple vigil]

if you dont play competitive games then 144 is fine

just get an oled

[frail veldt]

whats the point of gilded metal in-game? is it just what you pick if you want gold but cant afford it bc weight wise it's a bit odd

[crimson compass]

Hmmm. I'll bring it up I guess next time. I don't have any notable eye issues either.

[zealous saddle]

slideshow, 2 fps, my hand is doing karate with my elbow

[frail veldt]

i think very few people can hit higher than 144 in competitive games rn too lol, i doubt it's a big advantage either way

[tardy cosmos]

can i craft a greatsword?

[simple vigil]

hitting high frames in games like val and cs is

very easy

[restive barn]

ok i did it

[simple vigil]

i run around 200 fps on val and cs with a budget build so

[restive barn]

it's a combination of the methods

[lethal ingot]

CFF (when you can perceive flicker) for humans is around 24-60hz in the healthy population, motion perception seems to cap out around 500hz in the entire human population including outliers.

[restive barn]

it basically does linetrace every frame

BUT

[humble bloom]

Decorative metal is mainly decorative, its not like blunt and sharp damage needs the extra weight to kill someone instantly right now.

[restive barn]

it does it off the physical object🤔

yes the tank is still small😔

willie's short ass needs to get on it yk

[tranquil lantern]

Rip to the people with 24hz vision🥀

[frail veldt]

figured it was just for the drip

[lethal ingot]

It's why films were done in 24fps for so long, it was found to be the lowest you could go and still get something resembling smooth motion to most viewers.

[frail veldt]

movies at high framerates still look really weird to me

[soft osprey]

Soap operas

[lethal ingot]

They do for me too, I don't like it.

[frail veldt]

whereas with games it's non negotiable

[simple vigil]

your not used to it

thats it

[frail veldt]

probably it's still rare to find movies at high fps

[tranquil lantern]

Verg out here can see 300fps

[frail veldt]

youtube videos though i defo prefer 60

or 144

[soft osprey]

Soap operas use like 50-60 fps

[lethal ingot]

It's not even not being used to it for me, I've seen a lot of them. They just have a weird quality to them that makes them mess with my eyes.

[gritty gulch]

I made my willie's weight -4 and appearantly my game didn't really like that it's black screening

[simple vigil]

just go back to normal

?

[gritty gulch]

nah

[soft osprey]

Dont be a quitter

[gritty gulch]

i'm just experimenting

OH GOD

Well

he's a twig

[lethal ingot]

Most movies in theaters near me are in 60 so if I wanna see anything in theaters that's just how it's gonna be. lol

[gritty gulch]

and he folded himself then flew into nothingness

yeah

[frail veldt]

i rlly hope next patch fixes the custom forging sliders the fact that the game doesnt remember their position after testing makes experimenting so hard

[gritty gulch]

don't make willie a twig

[humble bloom]

Negative 3 is the limit I found, maybe lower by .5
But I wasnt able to gain weight fast enough before willie clipped into the floor of the inventory which for some reason soft locks the game.

[gritty gulch]

o

am i in trouble

i don't want softlock

[pseudo gust]

bro

halfsword

needs workshot

workshop

pls

I cannot wait for ancient era gear

[humble bloom]

Just try changing it back to a regular weight, I tested it on a new save I didnt care about.

[tranquil lantern]

Just go to nexus

[soft osprey]

Worst case, clean reinstall

[pseudo gust]

still brodie

[simple vigil]

nexus is so ass

😭

[tranquil lantern]

Ts just wrong😭

[pseudo gust]

fax

[tranquil lantern]

Literally just gives files

[frail veldt]

on longswords heavy guard relative to pommel and grip or light guard relative to pommel and grip? i feel like light guard tends to feel better but idk

[gleaming lodge]

Next update gonna go crazy trust the process im a lead developer

[gritty gulch]

oh

it automatically corrected itself and went to -3

[soft osprey]

Nexus is great. Easy to use, trustworthy, and has mods for every moddable game out there

[simple vigil]

not that

[humble bloom]

Nexus download speeds are ass, but oftentimes the coolest workshop mods force you to do a manual installation anyway, which is identical to the process of nexus.

[simple vigil]

downloads just never seem to work

[tranquil lantern]

Ive never had issues🥀

You click the button

And files download

[simple vigil]

🤷‍♂️

[frail veldt]

moddb in absolute shambles

[restive barn]

poor peasant

[pseudo gust]

WHAT THE FREAK

HOW

[gleaming lodge]

Yoo tf

[restive barn]

idk too twin

idk too

[gleaming lodge]

U dropping this?

[lethal ingot]

Nexus download speeds are kind of annoying if you have to download extremely large mods, like for Cyberpunk or Mechwarrior 5 or whatever, but I don't think there's anything of such size for Halfsword at the moment.

[restive barn]

eventually

[restive barn]

define large

[lethal ingot]

50+gb

[soft osprey]

Ask ur mom

Ha

Hahahahahaa

Got em

[restive barn]

this'll be u soon

[gritty gulch]

angry stick

[restive barn]

that's wild how does one even make a 50 gb mod

[gleaming lodge]

U breaking ur ma s heart

[gritty gulch]

WHAT,

[strong shadow]

Who lost his life?

[restive barn]

divine spears of justice

[lethal ingot]

Very comprehensive content mods that add a lot of high res textures. Textures blow up file size real fast. 8k textures can be over 100mb each. 4k around ~30mb.

This is the main reason why a lot of current games are so fucking big. Textures.

[soft osprey]

My go to Skyrim mod pack is 400gb

[lethal ingot]

Yeah, mod packs can easily pass the 100gb mark if you like to add lots of content to the game.

[restive barn]

no

[humble bloom]

I had heard it's also zero compression sound files that are like 10 minutes long for no reason. Many unused

[lethal ingot]

Can't say I've seen a lot of that in practice. It's almost always textures or data duplication, which is a thing that's done to make games run better on HDDs.

[crimson compass]

I wish skyrim was actually a good game. The world design is fucking impeccable but the actual combat and game mechanics are so boring

[soft osprey]

Have you seen those warriors from Hammerfell? They've got curved swords. Curved. Swords.

[crimson compass]

pool noodle combat lol

[lethal ingot]

Todd Howard doesn't understand game design.

[crimson compass]

https://tenor.com/view/snl-beck-bennett-regé-jean-page-noodle-noodles-gif-6122719160513271058

but with 1 hand on a fire spell

[soft osprey]

Skyrim and fallout are both games that are better off used as a base to mod from than play itself as games

[lethal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/starfield-he-was-forced-to-play-sad-seal-starfield-bad-gif-7483920480211476227

[crimson compass]

Fallout could never keep my attention honestly. I put like 10ish hours into both NV and F4 but really could never get into em. Shame because theoretically the theme is right up my alley

[soft osprey]

Though nothing could beat the memory of my first playthrough on release, got it at midnight. Only game I’ve ever done that for, and loved it. Cant play it vanilla now though

[crimson compass]

My most fun I had with skyrim was extremely modded for a 'hardcore' run with needs mods and harder combat, and no fast travelling so I actually had to go around through the map and make long journeys

Even that though I spent like 15 hours getting all the mods working, played my run for 10 hours then got bored

[lethal ingot]

Fallout 1 & 2 are timeless classics. New Vegas is a great but very flawed game that got fucked over hard by Bethesda. Fallout 3 and 4 are fine but I can't give much more praise than that.