#halfsword-chat-⚔
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I did awhile ago about something I think though the info in it is probably outdated now. I’ve revised a lot of my interpretations
I think it had to do with how Willie stands
With the wideness of his feet and how when he steps he often does it inefficiently
one handed combat is also another thing i was thinking of now that we bring this up
which also ties into how willie stands
Some of the footwork is also inverted at times.
instead of having his weapon side turned towards the other guy (saber/rapier type stuff) he fights like he's holding a shank
or like he still has a shield
When dual wielding?
i think the spears are way too noodle armed in their current state
like you said his footwork is pretty inverted too
they either point straight down or refuse to stay in willies hands
compared to npc willies using spears where they are rigid asf
grip and arm strength will probably fix this to an extent
which will be implemented in EA
I can do it if you’d want though I don’t like to be overly pedantic
Esp cause I figured they were placeholder or something
Interesting I think I know what is happening here. Don't want to openly speculate though. I will poke Frank and see if my hunch is right.
the forbidden guard
HES AWAKE
I am always awake. Unless there is a livestream planned.
@little verge When important task
@little verge When someone mentions mushrooms
nein
there is more than just willie?!
I genuinely dont know lol
either way thats cool
@azure gate Theres also this boi
guys, I really liked Half Sword and maybe someone knows the approximate release date of this masterpiece and its approximate price?
Weve done some european languages
tomorrow
so youre the german guy?
steam fest
28 years
And a lot more sound effects. Call them efforts.
Im actually not german
efforts as in "dude stop flailing im out of stamina"?
As in everything.
willie toilet scene thats cool
Honestly
if you signed an nda then you dont have to tell this
1-993 days
I can say what im allowed to say. This isnt my first rodeo with an NDA
nice
How much do they pay yall
Willie is a placeholder.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
wait...are you removing willie?!
20 groschen per hour
HOW DID HE GUESS
dont worry about it pal...
MCwonderbeast. Someone leaked the groschen thing
i have an inside man
Early Access release is scheduled for release this quarter (before the end of the year). Set price point has yet to be announced.
Yeah man historians are serious assholes.
He's just cool like that
this is true
hs might be the first (and last) game im gonna buy the day it becomes availible for purchase
friend inside me
yeah he would have been dead
yeah you can basically hear the "Flibertigebat"
BAFOON‼️
Flibber de’gibbet!
Raggermuffin ❗
Bufoun!
HEDGEBORN
COWARD
Theres the spelling for you
how the hell
how to in game swap clothes?
everyone sleeping on dolt 🙏
everyone sleeping on "Chrlghhchrlghcrglgl"
Honestly. My favourite is the word cuckold
LMAO
one of them sounds like hes saying heroin
they cant just remove willie
everyone sleeping on the screams of pain and agony
willie is a pillar of society
litereally
willie is everyone's ancestor
Reason why I say its that. Is because someone mispelt it as cokhold
i want there to be atleast one NPC in ea that is willie
everyone else can be different models
if they add character creation to ea im always picking willie
if i dont see any willies in ea i will go to the extremes of modding the game so that every model is willie
let willie go hence unarmed
I just found a massive stick in my garage. I'm gonna become monk willie irl now
boutta be Sean from Si-fu
learn the art of quarterstaff
wear a monk robe
become what you must
real
he has a 4th one
"Do me no harm and let me live"
WE FORGOT ONE THING
...
WRETCH!
Wilhelm
evil willie
head full of hair
good at fencing
BRAVE ONE!
evil willie is a doctor and helps people
evil willie never gives up after losing his weapons
evil willie built the perimeter fences
I'll chuck an apple at him
hes trying to trap us
what if evil willie runs the entire half sword tournament
evil willie built society
evil willie built the egypytian pyramids
evil willie is the baron
evil willie gives food to the homeless
evil willie taught neanderthals how to make fire
he forces us to endlessly kill willie
lol
the gauntlet is like hollow knight
you fight,until you can ||defeat your brother||
yay
what new insults
im 99% sure thats part of the NDA
whats nda
non disclosure agreement
non disclosure
oh okay
if he told you he would get fired or sued or something
most likely both !
Theres a certain amount of leeway I have now
Hey, does someone know in which folder Half sword is saving the pictures?
i shall wait then
If he told you willie would execute him
I can say some stuff. Im just not going to lol
the picture folder
EVIL willie would
thats actualy really funny
understandable
no
evil willie is a pacifist that helps people
what if the game ends with you fighting willie while the rest of the game is just filled with other npcs
Evil willie is monk willie
because he doesn't kill willies
he spares them
religious willie
DUDE
imagine if the main villian is just willie
Sadly, i can not find them there :/
i hope so
lord willie the willest
the devs will have to find a way to make bossfights harder since you can cheese pretty much everything with maces since they pretty much ignore armour
imagine if willie was just a schizophrenic who thinks he's fighting evil willies but is actually just killing random villagers
i mean thats the reason why maces exist
Someone gave willie too many mushrooms
lol
you take some random herb and it turns out youre not a noble knight with a polehammer,but a hobo with a candlestick
maces destroy armor with blunt force
Hist sap
maybe youll have your maces taken away before a bossfight?
Thanks, got them ❤️
yw
i wonder if we can ever reach even 1% of willies lore accurate strength
yeah theres no way a hobo becomes a baron by killing thousands of people
Oh god. Heres comes the powerscaler community
willie is actually ftl multiversal
willie is just a god so bored he decided to farm kill mortals
what if the real willie is the friends we made along the way
willie killed all my friends >:(
LOVE is an ancronym, too.
C:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Half Sword Demo\HalfSwordUE5\Screenshots
what?
its an undertale reference
oh
it stands for level of hate
is undertale good?
because more willies you kill the more powerful willie becomes
yeah
Peak
alr
er er er er er er
lets get back to half sword before mcwonderbeast takes us out back
sir yes sir
What if willie is Sans
would explain why willie can just lock tf in
willie can be the dumbest creature in existance or straight up kill god if he wanted to
Half sword enhancer willie with all maxed out stats is only .1 percent of his real power
willie is basically the god of war
how do i install mods to half sword
Nexus mods
yeah but where do i put the files
which mods did you install?
half sword enhancer
if willie is the final boss and he has machine learning we are so screwed
He's the combined willie of very ie
Kinda
I've only ever installed the launcher for hse
so idk
holy fuck why is he so jacked
He ate his veggies
didnt even realize until you said this
all of those hours of eating bricks has made him strong
lot's of calcium in bricks
What if you mix milk into the bricks, will he be 2 times bigger
what if you mix body parts of other willies into the milk and the bricks? that way it has more protein
give him mud bricks
god damn the eye hanging is CRAZY and funny as shit lol i couldnt notice but i hope the jaw and arms can hang in intenstines too
you could add some eggs too for protein
that has some good nutrients
real ''why not'' feature, its cool anyhow
And fish for brain power
oh god if my theory is correct then willie is just a god at melee
hard bullet
I was gonna comment about how crossbows might be bad but
knowing willie,hes gonna reflect them
this is insanely impressive
I also wanted to finish this but I ended up just accidentally not saving the project lol
bows could be a fun addition
Say that again
with arrows being able to be used for melee as well
that again
THIS ONE IS SO GOOD THOUGH
YOU HAVE TO COACH US
No
guns
Guns were already invented by 1504,as seen in the hussite wars
cant wait until we can see more characters facing against willie, willie will allways be the greatest knight ever 🫡
Wow
the earliest gun was invented like 100 years prior
Good
the handgonne
YOU ARE COMING WITH ME!
they are called "whistles" in czech
"píšťala" which is where pistols came from apparently
bows could fit as well but thats acually so cool
yall what month do yall think halfsword EA will launch?
I wonder if willies live underground
me i think somewhere in the middle-end of november
Id hope this or the next
November
tommorow
i actually saw a video of someone that owns a working handgonne
its wild
Christmas
we need more lore on willie
slybau 🙏
idk that thing even fires anymore without killing you instead
I hope I don't die until then
like i hope willie gets his own story
yeah its crazy
and home
what does slybau stand for
sybay!
its to avoid brainrot filter
I'm hoping to beat the game 200 times before release
sysbysbysbb!
I'm on win 135
I hope they at least refference willie in the game
like an old retired miltary commander or something
I BEAT IT TODAY BARELY WHAT
willie wont be a main character?!
i hope they do
like
I also mean the ultimate challenge lok
WILLIE WONT BE A MAIN CHARACTER?!
apparently hes just a placeholder 😢
S-shut
Y-your
B-b!tch
A-ass
U-up
if they DO add the handgonne i hope willie gives it to you
wheres the l
we will force them to keep him
Sylbau
WE HAVE to make them keep willie
revolt against the removal of willie
kcd2 ahh story progression
willie is just english Jan Žižka
so guys in next fest half sword will be early access?
we get info on the EA
willie cant be removed after all the love we give him
The l doesnt mean anything it was just there for the message to not get blocked
i remember once i brutalized a willies head cuz i threw a metal disk at him
only release date? or ea release
oh okay
EA
the full game is longggg ways from now
I used too have the power of god with my throws
omg cant awit
Then they nerfed throwing lol
the game should develop in our hands
why did they tho
so Im fine with ea release
it would have been sooooooo cool
read the pinned message for a general idea of whats to come possibly
@humble iriswill there be optimisation?
I doubt quick match multiplayer is even coming this decade tbh
there should be
because optimization on demo is terrible
bro let his guard down
dont ask me though i dont know too much
I even crash with 4090
on ultimate challenge?
is it the one without any fences
and climb ur way up
oh gauntlet
yes
do you crash before you get to the last stage
i havent crashed yet :D
african ai 💀
crashing sounds like a skill issue ngl
no I mean the game doesnt close itself
but I get insane fps drop
ngl i should try make a willie edit before EA 💀
for 0 reason
i hate that you cant replay ultimate challange after beating it cuz it reverts you back to beggar
like
turn ur blood down
no
then its gonna crash
Ive never had insane fps drops unless im recording gameplay
i wonder if abyss will stay.............
what are ur specs
like with more lore
probably will with a little revamp
i use a 5070
I love abyss bro but it EATS my frames 😭
Also this is from the playtest
bro still 4090 is not a bad gpu
6 month old throws
what are your other specs
I went from a 1070ti to a 4080 super lok
do you haveth any ibuprofen i haveth a mild migrane
i'm all amd
I don't know if this is old news but there's a Half Sword Copycat on Google play called "Half Blood Gore Combat PvP" 😂
nvidia lost me
AMD Ryzen 7 9700X
32 gb ram
DAMN
and yes my drivers are updated
I was so bad back then lol
bro thought he could grapple
yeah i cant help you i have no idea
hopefully EA fixes ur issue though
I hope aswell
my other pc also has same issue
it has 3050 but its laptop so its good
and ryzen 7 cpu
with 16 gb of ram
getting fps drops aswell
I feel like the game's a bit unoptimized
I have a 4070Ti SUPER and I get insane lag spike only on this game
Turning down to lowest graphics to then get 2000000 frames
Will a gt 710 be able to run the game on cinematic 1440p
look heres another guy with sam eissue
I have the same issue
with 4090
oh damn
optimization should be coming with EA so all your issues should hopefully be fixed
I'm on high and I get a constant 90 -110
we'll have to wait and see though
Yeah
Ill take that as a no
imagine having to stealth kill with this
im not a dev i dont know whats necessarily going to be added or not
I could do it lol
imagine sneaking up to a guy and bonking him over the head with a mace
not EA trailer coming out a day after my birthday
I just want a grab a rock off the floor and
wait so ea release will be diff?
happy birthday
you said ea trailer and stuff
there will maybe be a release date too
ty
I hope there will be a crowd to throw tomatoes at the loser
I wanna play ea
EA most likely won't come out the day of steam fest
since we still got rest of oct, nov and dec
Is everyone ready to relearn how to play the game again lol
Patience is key, just wait
mcwonder says physics are very similar
now i may be schizophrenic
but mcwonderbeast said oct 18 like 3 months ago right?
so it shouldn't be that difficult or take that long
Anyone remember the first demo patch where you had realistic stability lol
I miss pushing people and tripping them
They said it wouldnt be that different
what kind of reviews
Bad ones i assume
we need a drunk, robed up monk willie with a massive sword
dude i really hope this games early access outsells the new cod game
then the game would be peak
how big do you guys think battles will get in the final game
like father zera in hellish quart?
yes exactly
i was going to post an image of him and say that but i wastoo lazy
or just the average kcd2 early game build
whats kcd2
kingdom come deliverance 2
dont know that one
its very fun
kingdom come deliverance 2
rpg game set in the czech republic in the 1400s before the hussite wars after death of emperor Charles IV
theres a first game too (if you couldnt tell by the 2)
evil willie be like
Micheal
I FEEL QUITE HUNGRY!
3
godwin solos everyone in kcd universe
poleaxe mfs after 1 dequitem video:
godwin is like that dude that actualy has his life kinda figured out
and henry is the junkie that only likes swinging around his sword
London Sim
game is set in england
of course there are gonna be shankings
attack of the zombie willies
the enhancer mod is acually so good
hes still at it
trying to jab me with a great sword while having one in his chest
guys check out my post: https://discord.com/channels/1043854763189600337/1426840627730972722
Good times, good times
HUH
such a menacing stature
Remember when the paddle was op asf?
it isnt still op asf?
why is that though they said last wip was posted in #work-in-progress
im guessing they still have development to do for EA
A lot more borked in the demo
nooooooooooooooooooo
i dont have all the details so i cant answer all the questions
we'll just have to wait until tomorrow
i never got past that scythe guy in the demo
once i got good enough demo and playtest merged 
Man wish I backed up the earlier versions
itch io version is still availible iirc
yep
Was talking about the steam demo 0.3 and playtest from 0.4 and under
it is
just threw willy on accident lol
and its very janky comparing it to todays version 😭
true
back then i thought that game was revolutionary
are spin kicks still popular?
я один русский?
i think we have bigger fish to fry
I don't think anythin has gone out of style
wdym?
I've been trying to throw a bucker into the air, then kick it like back into a persons face
da
I just want to mess with the physics bugs from playtest 0.3 lmao
where are your pants...
simpler better times lol
evil willie took them
said they were ripped apart so he is fixing them
i see
i remember this
willie doesnt like being grabbed there
lmaooo
If anyone has the old playtest, pls send it over to an archive lmao
Cuz I want to helicopter again
dude i remember back then with horrible stability and the rags
i was showing my friends this cool new game i found
and it turned into 5 minutes of willie just humping me on the ground and i couldnt move
the physics were so janky back then
but it was funny nonetheless
that was before the demo merge right?
Yeh
yeah that was crazy
Even pulled off a Kinnikuman move in this one
every fist fight took longer than knight fights back then
remember when you couldnt even fist fight
Playtest had good fist fighting, demo was bad lmao
But now it relies more on spin kicks than punches
unarmed combat?
it doesnt really "rely" on spinkicks
if you can get willie against a fence you can end him in like 1 or 2 punches
nvm i take that back but you can combo him pretty good
Or fuck him up bad with the fence
the playtest movements look so cartoonish lol
Hit em with an illegal knee lol
thats amazing man
thanks for telling us
No piracy talk, especially not in the server with the devs and publishers. Disrespectful
Next update?
what does Z do?
also lowkey fighting in higher gravity is more fun than with lower gravity
what does it do
makes you more prone to falling and makes the ai more prone to falling too, they also seem more prone to grappling and being somehow just better at fighting too
WHAT'S COOKIN, GOOD LOOKIN?
MMMHMMMMM!!!!!
yummm
Ouch
im genuinely curious. who here plays with a controller?
i do sometimes
steam deck touchpad
unrelated
Literally tomorrow
❌
Fr?
only info, a EA trailer, and a POSSIBLE release date

YESSSS
this means halfsword tomorrow
Hype
how will i live after those 2 weeks are over
EA better come out RIGHT after those 2 weeks
It'll be an insane week
I'm most excited for the new gore
same
I saw a WIP clip of it a few days ago with Willie's eyes dangling out of his skull
i thought they stopped posting those
what is the knight boss in gauntlet
Not sure how new it is. It was in a different server. I saw it on reddit
bro you guys better spam ping me when the updates out so i dont miss it
guys if you do the enimy die you can get his armor
I wonder when the trailer drops/the info etc.
It'll be fire if I wake up to it, but doubt it
somme enemy dies and i dont get his armor
if you what
steam fest starts tmmr at 10 am PST (which is 1 pm EST)
No, you can't scavenge armor directly off an enemy in this version
The server acting like there isnt going to be a progress showcase tommorow
or is it just me
I'm praying to dark gods for a new demo with the updated gore system. Day 1 purchase for me regardless
hour 1 purchase
so does anyone know what the knight boss is?
Haven't gotten this many hours out of a demo since the Sly Cooper 2 demo disk on the PS2
so then what comes after?
You finish the gauntlet and you can play as him
I nickname him butter
Hey does anyone have any tips on beating the commoner boss
that guy is beyond difficult
use peasant fork
and charge
brainlessly
fr
I expected more hype
it's pretty mellow
especially because we're getting a new limited time demo as well
Sometimes
bro why isnt he golden
he's black
Is that a problem?
i dont think hes on the ultimate challenge 😭
They should add samurai and ronin and shogun weapons 🙏
❌
takes place in england
I know it does
they're staying historically accurate
We need like a mod for it or something I can't find any
Wasnt it germany?
For some reason
I know trust me 😭
there was one
Make it yourself
It takes place during the Renaissance in england
On what site if you know it?
nexus
I was watching someone play ghosts of yōtei and got an urge to play with some old Asian weapons
has an odachi
it's set in the HRE
Its sure to catch peoples eye not even in the next 24 hours
i thought i saw someone else say england
yeah its england
Its set in HRE i think the coats of arms in the arena at the top are from there
It's in the HRE
Ask samofsaturn he can say it in a better way
where does it say this!
The holy Roman empire
Germany is the perfect place i feel like too because they were a big exporter of armor
It's old Germany Poland and austria
Prussia the poliand-latvian something and Bohemia and all that
I love English history
Not english
European
There we go
I KNEW IT
Haha i was right you were wrong
its not fair..
i shouldve been right
i will manipulate the lore into making it take place in england
just to prove you wrong
Dude it’s so simple, you just need to argue like I do and you will win EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Simply, decide you are correct. End of story. You will win any debate or argument
*Only works with power of warn/kick/ban
This is not true and I will ban if you if you disagree
My mother of course. She would win any argument with my dad
your parents were a good influence on you it seems
Like no other. Wonderful people
Anyone else done head butting with a helmet on
There should be a button for it because it's hard as hell rn
Have to like whip your mouse up and down
baron fight crash fix when
disable all blood
Only crash I've had so far is on the ultimate challenge when the bodies are phasing through the floor
That one's pretty consistent
Will there be multiplayer?
are they not supposed to fall through the floor
Local
#faq and Splitscreen with early access which you’ll likely be able to play remotely with steam remote play or a program like parsec
why doesnt the center crosshair work?
the faq mentions the demo being 5% of the game. I understand that there will be weapon creation and monetary progress but will the game stay as a roguelike gauntlet style thing or something else?
h
we have no idea
we will have an idea
tomorrow
I've a new favourite way to attack with a hachet lol
I just used slow mo so you can see it better
why is the baron halberd a better blunt weapon than his actual blunt weapon
i swear ive never cut into anybody with this thing
even when im doing my favouritel ittle glitch to fight shirtless willies as the baron
Cus its like a 3 meter long pole with a huge steel head
But the mace is like one of the only practical weapons he has
And that bling dagger too
yeah but id expect to get the axe-head INTO people atleast sometimes 😭
i might aswell just be wielding a maul
the ax part is for design
Why need to cut when you can crush things into the thin shape
Its self sharpening you see
is early access actually coming tomorrow?
It will be a version very close to it
apparently a very close replica of early access comes tmmr
only for a week though
Like an update?
oh thats sick
well find out then
backup game files
lmao
do not pirate code 😭
wait where did you get this information?
where does it say that something is coming tomorrow
hold up
insider knowledge
Yo i sent something and got auto destroyed
probably automod
Thats cool
mabye we dont know
we'll figure out tomorrow
ty brosquitos
it might just be on the playtest app
what steam fest is tomorrow
this day has been going by so slow
the steam fest for indie games
ah
It was about regional prices, but i wrote wrong and when i looked it up the typo was a very bad word😭
its at 10 am pst
at night!?
i just hope at one point there will be an online 1v1
or 1 pm est
idc when
They are just gonna reveal a new iron helmet and a wagon or some shit
they better not
The birdhouse update
i better see some different maps and modes and somekind of different gameplay
they need to like make custom loadouts vanilla
read pinned message for an idea of what EA will bring
that wouldve held me off
goodness
why did he start glowing yellow
sparks
oh
wait no brainrot terms
good thing he didnt overreact
😡
500 willierets
Tee Ess Pee Emm Ohh
fr, glad he kept his cool
finally hit a normal clip
Sixty 7
wait a minute, how you get pitchfork with high tier?
Im going to throw you into a pit of snakes
liu qi
get it
its chinese for six seven
Sir this recruit is Sorry Sir!!
Sir this recruit will never say anything brainrotted again sir!
no problem
!!
because your a PINKIE!
damn I forgot how nice it was to play like this


You and me both bud!
Im sure we’ll get something at least
Nah
Let them cook
Let the final game surprise us
Let it be unrecognizable from the last demo update
they said theyll have a new version for the next fest, not sure though if they drop tommorow or after the next fest
Then we will relish in triumph knowing we survived long enough to see the final version
Hopefully by making the handling better than this slogfest
clunky ahh weapon
whats up with the voulge
i have no problem with it
if anything
the axes and the warhammers
All the polearms got a handling nerf and they all feel miserable now
you must not pay attention to any other demos
only halfsword
or your FIRED
you may be right i noticed that
too late
road to vostok exists
i just thought i was bad at the game all of a sudden
blashphemous
Hard disagree
depends on your skil llevel
No reason to gut polearms so severely, even if they are fundamentally superior than swords and axes and whatnot
we shall see
every weapon is meant for a different purpose and scenario
so something cant really be "superior" to another
yeah
Spear vs Sword without armor
Placon vs Sword without armor
but handling should be maxxed out since its a luck/skill based game
i did the thing to fix the gore screen and lost the ability to play free mode
sword wins
these are the scenarios that matter
I mean, if you're really bad, yeah
but if the spearman is quick enough
all you really gotta do to beat a spear like that is get up close to them
Which is really really easy to prevent, especially in the earlier levels
but what I don't like is them making it horrifically terrible to aim with
thus making it ASS for higher armor tiers
whereas previously it was decent enough if you learned how to aim wit it
i wouldnt want to take a classic spear to a battle against a very armored knight regardless
I'm not referring to the higher armor tiers
two handed mace is universal
oh mb i read later levels
More like the mid zone
good in any situation
Yeah, I shoulda been more specific
nono thats my fault
I'm sad cause my duels are so short. It's usually jsut one slice and they die
you said earlier levels
Mid tiers, specifically the one before vet
I wanna have a cool fight
I am amazed you haven't changed your name back
We can achieve this by having non-floppy polearms reinstated fr
this is my name now
this is my life
Yeahh, previously aiming for the head/chest was significantly easier, whereas now the legs are the only part you can really consistently hit
mostly due to how saggy and droopy spear lunges are now
yeah i see what you mean
yuh, that's what I have issue with, truthfully
the only time spears get any value now is with half-swording them
personal convictions about polearm superiority aside
but there could be a solution with the following EA
they're adding better grip strength
or if yo use slow mo exclusively
I think galaxy might've possibly said that they fixed it? idr
possibly
but grip strength will be a universal fix to alot of noodle or flimsy issues within the game
so this is good
spears and other weapons and their mechanics will have alot of more usability and versatility
OMFG
Im gonna crash out
I just lost the abyss in man at arms
to a spear
i was 1v1ing some random swordsman and a spearman runs behind and stabs me
That grinds my gears
yeah he sucks lol
got startled and killed him faster than the veteran that was chasing me
any weapon thats not sharp in the hands of an npc does not threaten me
however i prefer using blunt weapons
Sir this recruit is sorry sir
Head ahh
Thanks, critical
moist
what if the critical is moist
Your profile picture looks like a halfsword tier image
I'm gonna hold your hand while I say this...
Grr!!!
what hes trying to say
there was no baron
I did
and for that i am sorry
lmao the tombstone deploy sound effect
I am the baron
I like barrels
Barrelon
WHo put that there
too bad dna tests are unreliable
Right
who
tf
talk about giant willies
suggested a whole ass campaign
for a demo
in feedback-bug reporting
lmao
bluh doesnt know game hasnt even come out
lets see it
same
Has anyone succesfully casted testicular torsion on willy yet
Use ascii art
just verbalize
you get exp when you send a message every 60 seconds
i keep doing the stat check
