halfsword-chat-⚔

[quick wolf]

Alr no need to flex bro, I still lose to the commoner champ 90% of the time 😔

[modest whale]

i was invulnerable testing how much it would take

[austere salmon]

the commoner champ is the easy one, its the beggar champ you must fear

[modest whale]

and they're like tanks

[austere salmon]

every time i've fought the commoner champion i just walk up and stab him in the throat

[modest whale]

so i was basically just swinging like a crackhead

[supple bear]

ive been feeling like playing it but dont know if i should \

/or not

[quick wolf]

Bro 💀 the first one seems hard until you figure him out, now I beat him every time, but the commoner champ with his big ass sword is crazy, he just killed me with a jump shot not even lying

[modest whale]

WALK???

he has like a giant sword

[supple bear]

...

[quick wolf]

such cap bro

[modest whale]

if u walk up to him its sticking in you like 50 times

[austere salmon]

the first one is hard because you dont start with a wepaon, so you have to scramble to grab one

[modest whale]

bro

[austere salmon]

i walked up and stabbed him with my falchion

[quick wolf]

Yeah but you can just run around him

[modest whale]

the first boss

just pick up a hammer

candlestick

anything except tongs or a paddle

[austere salmon]

it doesnt always spawn a hammer or a candle

[quick wolf]

Or the paddle thing

[austere salmon]

sometimes all it gives you is gloves and a bar stool

[modest whale]

if u use the paddle it wont even break his bones

[quick wolf]

Anything long enough to swing works well i find

[rancid sluice]

Paddle works fine tbh

[modest whale]

unless you swing really hard

[austere salmon]

yes i've had to bludgeon him with a bar stool before

[rancid sluice]

You just gotta keep battering him

[quick wolf]

Yeah but its easy to use just have to stay out of reach and hit him a few times with it

[modest whale]

its better than tongs

[quick wolf]

The fists acc work well too sometimes

[modest whale]

if u hit his legs

he will fall over

hit his kneecaps

[rancid sluice]

First boss is super easy as long as you don't charge in like an idiot

[modest whale]

i saw an npc do that

i spawned a bunch of big guys

and he charged in like he was superman

with a shield and pike

[burnt smelt]

I'm starting to appreciate the hoe

[quick wolf]

Do you guys use the sword against the commoner champ?

[burnt smelt]

Long range like the spear but choppy like the axe

[austere salmon]

an adze drop would be ideal for the beggar boss

[rancid sluice]

Playtest hoe was much better than the current hoe but it's still solid

[modest whale]

does the game have an adze?

[rancid sluice]

I do now but I had to use pitchfork for a while

[modest whale]

it has a little hammer with an adze on it

like a tiny mattock or something

but like an actual full length mattock would be nice

[austere salmon]

yeah, hammer on one side and a little axe like blade on the other

like a more wieldy hoe

[modest whale]

yeah

i think its a mattock

im not sure

[supple bear]

should i download halfsword again

[modest whale]

like this but small

[rancid sluice]

idk, you're already in the half sword discord

[quick wolf]

Ok ill try pitchfork again, I tried it at first and it didnt work, now im usung the sword but still lose almost every time lol

[supple bear]

yea might aswell

[rancid sluice]

Just alt-stab or double-click stab. The benefit is the range, take advantage of it

[lethal crag]

oh hey congrats on level 1 lol

half way there

[quick wolf]

On the grind 🙏

[quaint wolf]

the hoe is so good
swing it at the right place and the enemy is decapitated

[quick wolf]

Alr ill give it another shot

[burnt smelt]

I've mostly been scoring legchops

[modest whale]

Yonny Yonson

[quaint wolf]

I scored a decapitation through the head once
not sure how, but it was damn lucky

[dapper trail]

A normal decapitation or like slicing the head in 2 halfs

[modest whale]

yonny yonson

[dapper trail]

What

[modest whale]

its from a jontron video

[brazen forum]

im kinda dogwater at using sword

[modest whale]

where he stabs himself in the shin with an axe

[dapper trail]

Oh

[rancid sluice]

You'll get there with practice

[supple bear]

sword is ment to be

[brazen forum]

i wanna do those moves where I hit their face under their helmet or their neck

[supple bear]

i have all connections with the sword

[brazen forum]

ill get there eventually

[supple bear]

some how

[brazen forum]

fav move rn are gut stabs lmao

idk why but the rag doll n stuff is so funny

[modest whale]

sometimes they glitch out

and spin around like a pinwheel

[brazen forum]

oh yeah

[rancid sluice]

a true warrior's swordfighting method

[brazen forum]

I remember with spear they get LAUNCHED

[untold sentinel]

what is the point of being so unforgiving with porogress when defending yourself is basically impossible??

[rancid sluice]

Because defending yourself isn't impossible

[untold sentinel]

with how funky the weapon control is, it certainly seems to be

[brazen forum]

id say do the free mode and get good at each stage there

[rancid sluice]

It's not that janky. The system is designed to make parrying easier

[median glade]

how would you even keep your character? after dying and getting sent to the abyss is there a way to get out?

[austere salmon]

i do agree some weapons are a bit jank

[untold sentinel]

edge alignment is terrible

[brazen forum]

there should be a better free mode selector imo

[rancid sluice]

Yes, you fight a couple of willies and then fight the previous boss, and you are able to start the tier over

[untold sentinel]

ive not passed farmer cos i just cant defend myself, theres no tutorial, and the control isnt exactly precise

[rancid sluice]

Buddy I'm sorry but this is a skill issue. You just have to practice

[median glade]

oh well i just died to the willies... 😭 hey good to know for next time tho

[median glade]

hit f to slow time is how ive found its a little easier, the control is very janky tho i do agree

[brazen forum]

u gotta hit their weapon out of the way before they kill you, it's pretty hard

[untold sentinel]

you could just...... explain how to do it?

[untold sentinel]

i can barely hit THEM let alone their hand

[naive holly]

Break bro's ankles

[brazen forum]

there's some yt videos where they show their mouse movements, I found that they helped with learning the controls

[rancid sluice]

1. Stop running face first into enemy willies.
2. Hold shift to take position.
3. Wait for enemy willie to make the first swing.
4. Using slight lmb mouse motions, angle towards wherever the enemy willie is swinging from.
5. On successful parry, swing back.

[naive holly]

Really simply, use pitchfork.

Hold alt and pull back on the mosue while running towards him with 'W' and shift

Then push the mouse forward while still holding alt.

Get him in the leg.

Badaboom

[rancid sluice]

There's plenty of strats

The system really isn't that janky.

[brazen forum]

find a yt video where they show the controls and how to swing and hit properly first imo

[rancid sluice]

You just have to familiarize yourself with how you angle your weapon

[naive holly]

Just ditz around in freemode while you learn the game @untold sentinel

[austere salmon]

this video

[untold sentinel]

so often my knife just harmlessly slips over them without a cut, thats the game being ass for giving my character a a wrist more limp than a 70 year old mans nob

[rancid sluice]

No, you're not using the knife properly

[naive holly]

Knife is goated tbh

Don't make me drop da clips

[brazen forum]

british simulator lmaooo

[untold sentinel]

and then someone loosely bonks me on the head and i get lobotomised

[median glade]

as a somewhat new player most combat ends up feeling very janky, i make sure to put alot of momentum into my swing but it slides off their clothing 😭

[untold sentinel]

usa has more knife crime

[untold sentinel]

yeah

[austere salmon]

knife is op

it instakills in the naked phase

[naive holly]

Ong, the SHIV NO LESS

[untold sentinel]

you arent being helpful, just saying

thats your fault

isnt helpful

[rancid sluice]

I gave you a guide, bud

[median glade]

ofc there probably methods to do it better, but like, the new player should be able to do basic swings 😭

[rancid sluice]

Either go practice or stop whining

[naive holly]

This is bait fr

[late phoenix]

Tips on how to Parry with a controller?

[brazen forum]

😭 how do you play on controller

[late phoenix]

I'm doing pretty well without parrying but bosses are fucking me up

[late phoenix]

You can connect your controller to your laptop/pc

It's actually shocking how well the game fits for a controller

Although you need a mouse to do some things and a keyboard

[untold sentinel]

edge alignment shouldnt be so finicky

[late phoenix]

but combat basically is very well done

[rancid sluice]

On top of this, knives aren't meant for swinging, they're meant for stabbing. Reclaimer's guide helps fine with that.

[late phoenix]

Only things lacking for combat is freeze time I believe

[median glade]

yeah like most of the time i feel id be better off just using blunt weapons

[rancid sluice]

This

[late phoenix]

U can't do anything with the menu on controller tho so you will need a mouse and keyboard

[remote ferry]

I run mouse and controller together

[late phoenix]

Same

[rancid sluice]

You can't just swing wildly and expect cuts to happen

[late phoenix]

Keyboard too because I do have to press G to continue

[untold sentinel]

well its almost like im trying to sweing in a straight line

[gaunt sapphire]

normalize reverse gripping knife

[remote ferry]

I have up on the d-pad mapped to g

[median glade]

and stabbing- dont even get me started cause aiming is so annoying 😭

[remote ferry]

And outer edge on left stick to shift

[late phoenix]

You can change keybinds for controller?

[remote ferry]

You can run mega fast

[rancid sluice]

Like I said, swinging with a knife is inefficient and mostly pointless

[late phoenix]

Does the freeze thing work for it too

[remote ferry]

Yeah enable steam input

[brazen forum]

HOLY SHIT, I HIT A NECK SHOT!!!

[late phoenix]

Plentiful

[remote ferry]

Freeze?

[austere salmon]

even a chest shot with the dagger is lethal tbf

[late phoenix]

I meant uhh make timer slower

[untold sentinel]

is mnk a bad idea for this then? is that why im hating it

[rancid sluice]

fr

[brazen forum]

playing with the armored bois

[remote ferry]

Yeah anything works as long as it has a key its bound to

[rancid sluice]

When you figure out how to land a stab, you start winning a lot more

[remote ferry]

I have pickup left and right bound to left and right d-pad

[arctic reef]

what's the purpose of the ultimate challenge in free mode? how do i get weapons if knights are spawning with me??

[late phoenix]

That's perfect because in the default settings there's no controls for the d pads

[untold sentinel]

even doing the stab modfe he apparently has a metal chest my iknife just slid off to the side

thats just a dog combat system

[rancid sluice]

Don't know what to tell you if I can't see what you're doing, man

[austere salmon]

1. Hold Alt
2. CHAAAARGE
3. pray to jeebus

[rancid sluice]

I can only assume you're not actually hitting with your stabs

[late phoenix]

idk I'm a new player but the combat so far seems to not be very difficult so far aside from the bosses might because I'm using controller and it might be easier(?)

[shrewd hull]

WHATS THE WORD ON THE BLOOD CRASHING?

[median glade]

the combat base is fine imo, it just needs to be more inuitive, too much of a learning curve

[untold sentinel]

it literally just slid off his chest and then he got me in the neck perfectly

[remote ferry]

When u get ur stabs its normally an instant kill

[rancid sluice]

Then you didn't actually stab him in the chest

Yeah

[remote ferry]

I land my stabs 😎

[late phoenix]

If you're really struggling you can increase your damage to npcs and decrease the damage npcs do to you

[austere salmon]

stabs are iffy for me

[remote ferry]

It helps being on controller for movement because u can line urself up really well

[median glade]

most of the stabs, im looking at him, my knife looks alligned to him, and my characters arm just course redirects directly inbetween the guys torso and arm to miss, pretty sure hes experiencing the same thing

[arctic reef]

what's the purpose of the ultimate challenge in free mode? how do i get weapons if knights are spawning with me??

[median glade]

looks like the knife is sliding off his chest

[late phoenix]

weapons tend to have a direction they like stabbing in annoying as hell 😔

[untold sentinel]

yeah my wrist just bent on its own

sure

[rancid sluice]

That's why you alter your position

[remote ferry]

Yeah u gotta move to the left a little

[rancid sluice]

You don't stand directly in the center

[remote ferry]

Ive master stabs through inept carnage

[untold sentinel]

and then i got to the boss fight and he clobbers me before i even grab a weapon

[median glade]

yeah but in the first place my knife shouldnt be changing its course, it should be intuitive

[untold sentinel]

what a brilliant well made fight

[remote ferry]

Trye

True

[rancid sluice]

Brother, you can run

You don't have to charge straight forward

[late phoenix]

If you stab with a Pitchfork wouldn't recommend stabbing in the center because it goes to stab in the right for some reason you should go a little to the left and try stabbing 🥀

[median glade]

if im tryna stab id assume im trying to stab forward not off to the side 😭

[untold sentinel]

are you actually incapable of processing a thought? we are saying "this is an issue wew are experiencing" and your re4sponse is "nuh uh"

[untold sentinel]

brother, SO CAN HE

[rancid sluice]

lmao

[remote ferry]

The damage you do to bosses is higher than normal so all u gotta do is land one clean hit

[rancid sluice]

And I'm telling you the issue is not the game, it's you

[remote ferry]

Nah its valid to blame the game in part

[untold sentinel]

having all the other content locked behind this puirely luck based cesspit of the lower tier

[median glade]

this isnt darksouls bro 😭

[remote ferry]

Lock in

[untold sentinel]

im not engaging with you any more, you are clearly incapable of higher order thinking

[rancid sluice]

lmfao

[edgy jacinth]

nothing in this game is luck based

[remote ferry]

I clear the lower tiers easy and i have a full time job too

[edgy jacinth]

u have to increase your skill

[median glade]

when the combat isnt inuitive even after hours of playing thats a game issue (unless the goal is to be very difficult)

[untold sentinel]

its just annoying, a game is meant to be fun, randomly getting bonked and my attacks just randomly being ineffective is not fun

[brazen forum]

there's free mode btw, you unlock everything

[edgy jacinth]

it's intuitive to me. maybe u are lacking in skill

[untold sentinel]

exactly

[remote ferry]

Very true

[rancid sluice]

then stop playing the game.

quit

[remote ferry]

Thats not their point

[untold sentinel]

"oh you think this isnt perfect? just leave dont bother raising issues"

[late phoenix]

The only times I've lost to the first boss is when I was running and fucking fell due to my willy being a idiot although ive never really had a problem grabbing the weapons because he seems like he's gonna kill you immediately when you stop and grab a weapon but in my experience you have maybe 3 seconds before he gets close enough

[untold sentinel]

do you actually have a brain brother

[brazen forum]

first boss is way too hard for peasant lvl lmao

[edgy jacinth]

we're giving you the solution to your issues. the solution is to get better

[rancid sluice]

thought you weren't engaging with me anymore, bud

[edgy jacinth]

it's not the game's fault bro

you don't even need a weapon

[remote ferry]

You guys are funny

[untold sentinel]

dude i dont care if he doesnt run and chase you, he ran me down bruh

[lethal crag]

https://tenor.com/view/chromebook-durability-test-do-you-think-it-survives-gif-4678766543082512690

[late phoenix]

Unironically I've died too much by him due to tripping

[rancid sluice]

i'm playing the same game as you man

[untold sentinel]

the sheer levels of chimp are insane

[median glade]

these people seem to think this is darksouls 😭

[edgy jacinth]

you're the chimpo

you suck and are blaming the game

[rancid sluice]

it's not

[remote ferry]

When i figure out how to record my game ur cooked

[untold sentinel]

how difficult is it to comprehend "yes this early access demo of a game isnt perfect, and there are things that need polishing"

rub those brain cells together

[rancid sluice]

yes. that is true. it is also true that you suck at the game and need to get better

[brazen forum]

bro, the fucking spears in the same category as others is stupid, esp the one with spikes

[rancid sluice]

and you're just refusing any guidance and kicking and screaming the entire time

[remote ferry]

Arguing when neither of your points clash is crazy

[median glade]

like if youre playing a game and its unintuitive as a new player that IS bad game design, unless its MEANT to be uninuitive

[rancid sluice]

there is a learning curve. i don't believe that it's unintuitive.

[edgy jacinth]

how difficult is it to comprehend that your criticisms are invalid because they come from a lack of understanding

[late phoenix]

How do you do this

[median glade]

learning the basics shouldnt take more then an hour or two tho? 😭

[late phoenix]

I keep seeing these clips

[untold sentinel]

except theyre not invalid, because it is an issue

[edgy jacinth]

yeah a personal issue

[rancid sluice]

the basics can be learned in an hour or two, but mastering them takes time

[untold sentinel]

how many hours do you have in the game

[remote ferry]

Nah nah nah some games can be like that

[edgy jacinth]

it's a skill issue. not the game's fault

lmao

[median glade]

yes, but only if the game is meant to be hard

[rancid sluice]

i played from the start of the playtest, about 88 hours

[untold sentinel]

have you mongs not heard the expression "repitition legitimises"

[rancid sluice]

have you never heard of practice makes perfect

[untold sentinel]

wrong

[untold sentinel]

whataboutism doesnt combat my point

[remote ferry]

A physics based game like this will be inherently harder to learn versus other games because the market is smaller and people have less experience with it in general

[rancid sluice]

do you know what the fuck whataboutism even is lmao

[untold sentinel]

im not arguing that its impossible to improve from where i am

[untold sentinel]

"hurr durr well what about practise makes perfect" doesnt address what ive said

[edgy jacinth]

you've said nothing

[late phoenix]

Why is the left fist feel so much stronger then the right fist

[untold sentinel]

im arguing that there are issues with the system that cause annoyance

[rancid sluice]

you are cooking absolutely nothing

[late phoenix]

Is willy left handed

[rancid sluice]

you have boiled a pot of water to the point where there is no more water

[median glade]

the term skill issue shouldnt even be coming up cause 😭 someone being unexperienced shouldnt make all combat worse

[rancid sluice]

get out of the kitchen brother

[untold sentinel]

and yet you refuse to engage with the point

[remote ferry]

Fr it has a snapping issue as well

[edgy jacinth]

and why the fuck not?

[late phoenix]

I'm not engaging in this

[austere salmon]

master the bullshit and embrace the cheese, pipe down and get back to the stabbing

[untold sentinel]

didnt mean to do ur message

[late phoenix]

Oh

[remote ferry]

So true

[untold sentinel]

you are coming across like a monkey
lack of experience is one thing, but the combat system being an unweildy unintuitive mess, is another

you can acknowledge both

[rancid sluice]

how long have you been playing the game, then?

[edgy jacinth]

it's not unintuitive. it worked fine for me

[untold sentinel]

which is what me and schnatt are doing, and you refuse to

[edgy jacinth]

your opinion is not a fact

and it's not a criticism of the game

especially when i had the exact opposite experience

[brazen forum]

lmao

[untold sentinel]

and nor is yours if youre going to take that route then you have no point either

[median glade]

because this isnt darksouls? good game design means being accessible and not locked behind hours and hours of practice

[late phoenix]

I do not think combat is bad I like it but I do believe it could improve in a couple of ways

[untold sentinel]

but, it is

[edgy jacinth]

im not the one in here criticizing the game though

[rancid sluice]

so what you're saying is you're wasting your time

[remote ferry]

Guys i have to piss can you make up and move on in that time

[rancid sluice]

i'm here for a kiss whenever you're ready 🙂

[brazen forum]

guys kiss

[edgy jacinth]

you're in here blaming the game for your personal experience

[late phoenix]

What the freaky

[untold sentinel]

no what im saying is that point goes no where and isnt worth making, once again your reading comprehension fails you

[median glade]

saying something is unintuitive is a critisim?

[untold sentinel]

zanta you are just a career idiot at this point

[edgy jacinth]

if you want to claim the game is unintuitive then back up your opinion with examples or an argument

[rancid sluice]

you really like lobbing insults, huh

[edgy jacinth]

otherwise stfu nobody cares

[untold sentinel]

honestly these two arent worth the time, both of them are clearly a bit too thick to understand that you can say

[brazen forum]

im just gonna say, I had a bad experience for a bit, learning curve is big

[untold sentinel]

" the system has issues that need polishing" and " i still like it"

[median glade]

he played that game, found something he didnt like about it, and said "hey this is bad" its just feedback.

[edgy jacinth]

elaborate on the issues that need polishing

[untold sentinel]

you can acknowlege the issues without meaning you hate the game cuh

[rancid sluice]

i also had a bad experience first playing the game, but it's a system that is not as clunky and unintuitive as it's being made out to be.

[edgy jacinth]

waht issues are there that need polishing

like

have a discussion

dont just complain

elaborate

[woeful tulip]

how can u use knight armor in abyss mode?

[brazen forum]

omg, like, get rid of spears and put them in their own category, unfun to play or play against

[untold sentinel]

yeah but you gotta understand youre dealing with discord fanboys

[edgy jacinth]

bro

[median glade]

being unintuitive is a subjective thing, in our opinions it IS unintuitive, thats a simple fact. its just feedback

[edgy jacinth]

youre a fuckin monkey

[untold sentinel]

this from the guy that started out the swearing lmao

[edgy jacinth]

ngl

[rancid sluice]

it's not an issue if you're not immediately good at the game, that's fine. but you take the time to get better. you don't immediately say it's the game fault and give up.

[untold sentinel]

ironic

[edgy jacinth]

you still havent elaborated

[untold sentinel]

"have a discussion"

[edgy jacinth]

youre just in here crying

still waiting for an explanation on the issues youre crying about

[median glade]

some people like to act like you killed their mom after you leave some critisim on their favorite game 😔

[untold sentinel]

yes because saying that the new player experience is clunky and not captivating = crying

[edgy jacinth]

bro

please

elaborate

[untold sentinel]

god forbid someone has a criticism of something you enjoy

woe is me

[edgy jacinth]

what is your criticism

[rancid sluice]

i understand that, but blop isn't so nuanced on this, calling the combat engine dogwater and immediately throwing insults at anyone who doesn't agree

[untold sentinel]

yeah its childish asf, not worth it

[median glade]

when you stab someone, and it looks lined up, the character stabs to the left or right, missing what it looks like it should be hitting.

[edgy jacinth]

lmao

[brazen forum]

horizontal swings are dogwater too

[edgy jacinth]

still no explanation or elaboration of these issues. just crying and getting mad when people don't agree

[late phoenix]

It depends on the weapon and if your character is deciding to wield it in the left or right side

[untold sentinel]

neither you or lerdzila can moan about insults when both of you were doing it just as quickly lmao

[rancid sluice]

when did I insult you?

[edgy jacinth]

i'm not crying about insults

[remote ferry]

I also have issues with the lock on, it seems to be off

[mint wadi]

haha went captain america on his ass

[untold sentinel]

look at your own messages you goldfish

[median glade]

he said he didnt like it, and immediately got replied with "skill issue" i dont think he started the insults 😭

[edgy jacinth]

insutl all you want. you're a moron and i'm trying really hard to get you to explain your feelings

[rancid sluice]

skill issue is not an insult bud

[late phoenix]

Yea the lock on definitely isn't very well made at the moment it could be made better

[untold sentinel]

the irony is insane

[rancid sluice]

lock on does suck ass

[median glade]

yeah but he should just stab forward to the middle.

[edgy jacinth]

what about the game is unintuitive

[late phoenix]

I actually agree with that ngl

[edgy jacinth]

for the 30x time

[remote ferry]

If im locked on to someone and im square with them, and i stab straight, it should land cleanly with their center of mass

[austere salmon]

will yall pipe down and get to the killing

[untold sentinel]

its because its overly sensitive to movements you arent deliberately making

[late phoenix]

It was fucking annoying the first hour honestly but I've gotten used to it now

[untold sentinel]

which throws it off massivelt

[median glade]

AND they could make it so by moving ur mouse left or right, you can make him stab left or right too.

[edgy jacinth]

so you're mad you can't control the weapon properly

[supple bear]

im on a low end pc and i used to run half sword at 640 by 480p and had my vram set to 12000 by 13000 and it was stupid cus i knew what i was doing and changed like 30mins ago now half sword runs 1080 p

[edgy jacinth]

that's a skill issue

[median glade]

a problem AND a solution there we go

[edgy jacinth]

because i can control it fine

[mental kelp]

double tap

[untold sentinel]

you can misrepresent a point, it doesnt make yopu right

[median glade]

yeah it should be hard to control 💔

[late phoenix]

I actually wouldn't mind that

[edgy jacinth]

so what is your point

ive asked you like 10 times

[untold sentinel]

again, repitition legitimises

[mint wadi]

Totally this game is unintuitive....syke lol I just threw a shield and hit him smack dab in the fac.e

[median glade]

we are talking ab new player experience

[mental kelp]

bro this discord needing me to make my quality so ass on the vid

[edgy jacinth]

so you're mad you picked up the game and weren't immediately an experft

lmao

[mint wadi]

it's just hard to control cause it's complex.

[untold sentinel]

good luck geting throuigh to him this guy must be illiterate

[edgy jacinth]

new players should just be beastly the first time they play?

[median glade]

im thinking hes italian and we are somehow insulting his entire family tree on accident

[brazen forum]

im a master so everyone else's experience is irrelevant

[untold sentinel]

no, its not just complexity, the control is overly sensitive to little movements that arent deliberate

[median glade]

yes yes makes sense

i can get behind that

[supple bear]

yal want clips

[edgy jacinth]

upset you just started and can't immediately do sick shit lol

[mint wadi]

Change your sensitivity.

[edgy jacinth]

how entitled

[supple bear]

anyone

[brazen forum]

"how entitled" stfu lmao

[median glade]

or like when they are on the ground, i move my mouse up to ready, and straight down, and my char either aims completely right, or completely left instead of straight down like i move my mouse to do 😭

[untold sentinel]

which is the reason for so much missing etc

[remote ferry]

Changing my sensitivity to stupidity rn so i can still watch the convo

[austere salmon]

the hoe really feels like a weapon taht demands good spacing and awareness

[edgy jacinth]

you know if you spent all this time playing instead of crying on discord you might be able to control your sword a little better lmao

[mint wadi]

I'll turn my mods off and go grab a longsword in a middle teir then go through the stances.

[little verge]

It is highly recommended to lower your sensitivity especially as a new player.

[mint wadi]

tier

[untold sentinel]

i wouldnt call "being able to at least hit the guy" "sick shit"

[edgy jacinth]

i was able to do it the very first time i ever played the game

if you cant even hit people that's a you problem

[untold sentinel]

you can whinge and moan about criticism all you want it doesnt make you smart or funny

[brazen forum]

I decrease mouse sensitivity the sword moves slower which is also annoying. thankfully my mouse has a sensitivity button which makes changing sensitivity easier

[edgy jacinth]

cope

[median glade]

someone with 1hr of playtime should be able to consistently hit their target with basic moves 😔

[rancid sluice]

in all fairness, you don't really need to swing the sword that fast.

[untold sentinel]

yeah thats what i did it made it better, but it still is an issue

[rancid sluice]

let momentum do the work sometimes, it works fine

[edgy jacinth]

if you can;t even hit people i don't know what to tell you bro

[mental kelp]

dpi doesnt mattter if u train with what u have

[edgy jacinth]

other than go practice

lol

[untold sentinel]

blasphemy! the game is perfect and any issue you have with this
EARLY ACCESS DEMO
is clearly because you are inferior and not possibly an issue to be buffed out

[little verge]

Less is often more. Small swift movements. learn to control momentum.

[edgy jacinth]

yes

[remote ferry]

Have u played exanima

[brazen forum]

it's like, a bit too slow at my lowest mouse dpi 😔

[rancid sluice]

fair enough

[edgy jacinth]

yes exanima is sick

[mint wadi]

I know nothing is really happening in this clip, but watch it. It's very intuitive. You can roll between stances really easily. It's basically just where your invisible mouse is at on the screen.

[austere salmon]

hey who was it that called bullshit on me walking up to the zweihander guy and just stabbing him

[remote ferry]

Have u played exanima

[median glade]

Indubitably! Yes I agree, the combat should also require ATLEAST 15 hours to acclimate to! This is a very low skill curve!

[edgy jacinth]

bro mad he has to practice

😭

[rancid sluice]

did we say it was a low skill curve??

[median glade]

practice to stab in a sword fighting game 💔

[rancid sluice]

y-yes

[little verge]

https://tenor.com/view/circle-of-life-gif-20390318

[rancid sluice]

that is something you should do

[edgy jacinth]

obviously

since you can't seem to do it while we can

[untold sentinel]

brother this is a video game i saw on tiktok not the unlanwful games act

[junior orchid]

Do we know when the fatal error will be fixed?

[edgy jacinth]

i would say you need to practice

[median glade]

so hitting a stab should require multiple hours of playtime 😭

[rancid sluice]

no

maybe one hour

[median glade]

im saying it should be lower

[mint wadi]

You can easily strike places that you mean to strike, you can aim, etc.

[edgy jacinth]

doesnt take multiple hours lmao

[remote ferry]

So u probably havent played exanima

[edgy jacinth]

if it does that's a you problem

[untold sentinel]

you should spend all your time training to fight in this game!!!11!!1!1!1!1

[rancid sluice]

and i'm saying, no it shouldn't. especially when sword combat is literally the entire game

[little verge]

It really depends on the player tbh.

[edgy jacinth]

just playing the game is practice

like

go play the game

crying in discord doesnt make you stab more accuratelyu

[median glade]

yeah im saying that BASIC moves, should be easy to learn

[rancid sluice]

if you were immediately good at combat then there would be no reason to play

[mint wadi]

It took me about 20-30 hours to consistently beat the enemy.

[median glade]

if you wanna do cool shit it should take training

[rancid sluice]

cool shit, such as?

[median glade]

like combo stuff

[rancid sluice]

i'm not trying to be rude, i'm just curious

[remote ferry]

My theory is that lerdzilla has played exanima, so he has more experience with the genre i.e. a more intuitive grasp of the mechanics but blop hasnt

[median glade]

like slicing people in half

[little verge]

It took me 200hrs to be the First abyss demo. Vanilla settings no chessing the healing system.

[untold sentinel]

thgeres a difference between "good at combat" and basics of function, the argument you are making, to me and schnatt, comes off the same as if we were to tell you that you need to practice reload drills in COD. thats not being good, thats a core part of the function, thats the issue we are raising

[edgy jacinth]

im trying to be rude. like i can't imagine being upset that you're not immediately good at something you just started. it's a physics based game, yes just stabbing people takes practice

if you dont like it then you can always play something else

[untold sentinel]

brother the onmly one acting upset is you

[edgy jacinth]

[little verge]

I think this may be the case as well. People who have never played Exanima, Human fall Flat, or Gang Beasts often struggle with the concept of the control scheme.

[median glade]

i have like 6 hours and its pretty janky to me

[rancid sluice]

and I'm saying that, functionally, comparing this game to CoD is dishonest. CoD is a multiplayer shooter. This is a swordfighting simulator. The crux of the game is in fact to learn the basics, and the basics are meant to take time.

[mint wadi]

just recorded this first try so it's not anything super special but it's still an "advanced" thing.

[remote ferry]

Guys ur lucky i dont have work tomorrow so im gonna make the problem very simple

[median glade]

i feel like if the entire game was just basic stabs and slices that would get boring

[rancid sluice]

I promise I'm not trying to fight you here

[mint wadi]

idk what you're talking about this is a roundhouse kick simulator.

[rancid sluice]

it's not. that's not what i said.

[brazen forum]

it's still janky lmao, spears suck ass, 20+ hours

[edgy jacinth]

the problem is that when i started and couldnt stab anybody i practiced until i could

instead of crying about not being able to

[remote ferry]

In spoilance i be grabbing the helm to do this

[median glade]

my point is that if it takes time to learn JUST basics, then most players arent gonna get to anything cool

[rancid sluice]

shouldn't the point of a game be to invest time in it?

[median glade]

you should be able to get the basics quickly and THEN spend time mastering cooler techniques

[edgy jacinth]

yet this game is still extremely viral and enjoyed by casual tiktok viewers

[median glade]

yeah but investing time to do basic stabs isnt fun

[little verge]

There are many players that do not like working for things in general and do not get to see nice things in allot of games.

[untold sentinel]

and thats the disagreement we have, i think that to expect you to have to practice to even perform a basic attack, is stupid, this isnt a realistic simulation of medieval combat, its not HEMA on a screen, its clunky, and no one likes clunky, you may not think it is, but you have almost 100 hours, and you being used to a clunky system doesnt mean it isnt clunky, it means you dont feel its clunky

[untold sentinel]

brother what? the point is to ENJOY it

[median glade]

omg the popularity fallacy i gotta check this off!

thanks for that

i got bingo

[little verge]

It actually is a HEMA combat sim my friend.

[untold sentinel]

your arguments are actually peak year 3

[brazen forum]

I kinda like it kinda being realistic but it's so jank with some thigns

[edgy jacinth]

it's not a fallacy at all. you're making claims like "MOST PLAYERS ARENT GONNA GET TO ANYTHING COOL" whereas the numbers indicate the exact opposite

[untold sentinel]

no, its not, just because someone has a sword doesnt make it accurate to hema

[glad ore]

Holy fuck what’s happening in this chat

[untold sentinel]

this is like saying the new assassins creed is a kendo simulator

[edgy jacinth]

pair of dorks mad they just started and aren't immediately good

[median glade]

the point of a game is to be enjoyable, so it should be enjoyable (and not frustrating in most cases), if a mechanic is frustrating thats an issue (unles its meant to be frustrating)

[mental kelp]

the skill limit for the game is actually really low but so is the iq of most of the players and their general knowhow 🤑

[little verge]

The combat system is designed completely around HEMA.

[edgy jacinth]

it's not frustrating

[mental kelp]

the basics are generalized and you can learn them by just knowing things about actual fencing

[remote ferry]

The more nuance you give your game the more unavoidable this issue is, although it can be helped to a significant degree with good tutorials and stuff

[median glade]

have you heard of subjectivity?

[untold sentinel]

except the numbers dont contradict him

[edgy jacinth]

so you understand your personal feelings are not an objective criticism?

[austere salmon]

am i the only one that likes fpv mode
it makes using the spiked bat thing so much easier

[untold sentinel]

brother, you can make whatever claim you want, im yet to see anything even remotely similar, the dexterity involved in even a beginners level of HEMA is just not available here

[remote ferry]

There is definitely something wrong with the way lock on and stabbing works

[median glade]

yeah? you didnt know that? your feelings are ALSO subjective

[rancid sluice]

maybe i should rephrase. shouldn't a game, if it is achieving what is supposed to, make players want to invest time in it? I understand in this case that it clearly doesn't seem to work for all players, but that's fine.

[little verge]

FPV makes me sick sadly.

[brazen forum]

it's kinda shakey and that makes me nausious

[edgy jacinth]

then what is your point?

[untold sentinel]

surely you want accessibility to achieve that with as many people as posible tho

[median glade]

the point is to have fun, the result is investing time

[mental kelp]

its cool but it makes the flop of the swords look so much more apparent and all my cool moves turn into not so much

[edgy jacinth]

you're in here claiming the game is frustrating and unintuitive like it's the game's fault

i said the opposite

[austere salmon]

idk i think it feels awesome

[edgy jacinth]

and you started arguing with me abgout it lol

[median glade]

that i dont like that the game feels uninuitive?

[austere salmon]

god this game in vr would be so cool

[untold sentinel]

theres a reason DCS for example is so niche, everyone thinks flying a jet is cool, not as many want to sit down and learn the startup procedure for a m2000

[remote ferry]

Blade and sorcery

[edgy jacinth]

okay and it feels intuitive to me so

cry more i guess? idk

[untold sentinel]

thats a misrepresentation, you engaged us

[austere salmon]

shit is that just blade and sorcery

[median glade]

yeah you feeling that doesnt make my point less valid?

[little verge]

You can disagree with me that's fine. As a member of the dev team I can assure the combat system is designed around HEMA techniques. The combat system is not intuitive to all and can require many hours for some to get accustomed to.

[edgy jacinth]

you don't have a point. you have an opinion

[untold sentinel]

"i do not personally share your experience, although others do, therefore your experience is invalid

[median glade]

it should be inuitive to everyone is my point cant believe you hadnt caught onto that

[median glade]

my point is my opinion

[edgy jacinth]

a point would be using examples from the game to support your opinion

[brazen forum]

can u split the spears and the more closer range weapons into different tiers?

[rancid sluice]

i don't know about that. i think the interest in the game is its niche. accessibility would be nice if this was meant for all audiences, but it's not.

[median glade]

inuitiveness IS an opinion

[austere salmon]

wow

[little verge]

Not my call.

[brazen forum]

😔

[austere salmon]

the militiamen champion aint shit, i killed him with the almighty but forbidden technique

[median glade]

you cant draw truth from wether something is inuitive cause its all subjective

[untold sentinel]

you can say its designed around it but i have not seen, in any video, any more HEMA than i see in the star wars films

[edgy jacinth]

bro thinsk sharing his opinion is making a point 😭

[median glade]

so

[austere salmon]

dick shot

[median glade]

yeah

okay

[edgy jacinth]

lmao

[median glade]

make ANY objective statement ab the game being inuitive

go ahead

[remote ferry]

Woah dont lose your valid point like this bro

[median glade]

you cant

[edgy jacinth]

okay

[median glade]

cause

its

subjective

[edgy jacinth]

i played the game and was stabbing people

pretty intuitive

[untold sentinel]

thats exactly what that is when youre talking about a subjective matter

[median glade]

the "i" part is subjective, try again

[edgy jacinth]

i saw someone play the game and stabbed people

[little verge]

There are many Dedicated channels to advance fighting techniques.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ddleysHN0c

[edgy jacinth]

may such cases

[untold sentinel]

its not a slight against the game, but its just true, ive not seen anything to make me think this is any more hema than chivalry 2

[edgy jacinth]

making a point is supporting your opinion with examples

[median glade]

thats a statement on how other people felt ab the game, its a collection of subjective statments, not an opbjective one

try again.

[brazen forum]

btw, how do I do a straight horizontal slash? it's always like at an angle or something

[edgy jacinth]

go look up the scientific method buddy

we make observations and come to conclusions based on the data

[remote ferry]

But your earlier point was that it was just a demo and clearly needs work... This is the same case. They are working on it

[edgy jacinth]

data indicates most people don't have a problem with it

[median glade]

i dont think you understand what a scientific theory is

[untold sentinel]

no thats just expanding on your point, if you say "the game feels unintuitive and clunky, so much so that it causes issues to even accomplish the most basic things" which is what me and schatt have said multiple times, thats still making a point

[median glade]

yeah which means most people subjectively think its not janky, thats not objective

[edgy jacinth]

^

[remote ferry]

What is a point

[brazen forum]

what data...

[little verge]

You mean like a vertical top down slash?

[untold sentinel]

dont say "we" when you clearly have no idea what youre talking about

[untold sentinel]

what data

[brazen forum]

no like, a sideways slash

[untold sentinel]

source?

[edgy jacinth]

i can't believe how heated you guys are because you have to practice to be good

[median glade]

you are making statements about how people feel nothing objective about feelings

[untold sentinel]

source?

go on lerd

is the data in the room with us

[mint wadi]

YOOOO I did like...a finisher.

[median glade]

wait... WAIT hes done with points and decided to attack us directly?

[edgy jacinth]

i'll make a compilation of people playing the game and hitting people just for you

[naive holly]

Am so sorry yall just git gud that's my only input

[brazen forum]

it's like, always kinda off?

[naive holly]

Or play smthn else

[untold sentinel]

so you dont have any and youre waffling

right

[edgy jacinth]

buddy

you're the one who can't hit people

lmao

[untold sentinel]

nono

[mint wadi]

I threw the fucking spike into his neck.

[untold sentinel]

you made a claim on apparent data

data that doesnt exist clearlyt

[naive holly]

John over here being normal love u king

[edgy jacinth]

#game-footage-🎮🎥

there's your data bro

[remote ferry]

Im also normal

[mint wadi]

it was very cool.

[edgy jacinth]

you're the only one with a problem

[median glade]

our point is that the game feels uninuitive, ofc practice would help, its that as a new player slashing and stabbing should feel someone natural. atleast thats how me and blop feel

[naive holly]

I'll post some silly shit to shift the vibe

[mint wadi]

nah imma keep posting them here cause it's better than the shit yall are posting.

[mint wadi]

bickering like children.

[untold sentinel]

how does this "data" show that?

[little verge]

Keep edge alignment while reaching the appropriate speed is the hardest part. Also when moving the mouse fast it is easy to switch into another guard. So as much as possible you have to swipe and drag your mouse at the same time. Across the horizantal axis.

[edgy jacinth]

they're bickering

im having fun

[untold sentinel]

lerd buddy this angle doesnt workfor you

[edgy jacinth]

what angle

the only angle is you suck at this game and want the game to be responsible for it

[untold sentinel]

the "scientific method the data shows" and then not having anything to back it

youre just waffling

[naive holly]

Blop has been bait this whole time bro let's talk abt something else

[median glade]

i find it so strange how once someones logical arguments run dry instead of accepting it they just go to insults

[untold sentinel]

no, again you fail to read bud

[median glade]

its like

[edgy jacinth]

there's plenty of data available to you man

i can post some too

[untold sentinel]

lerd hasnt had any logical argument, its always been insults

[little verge]

Yall need to calm down and move on now.

[remote ferry]

What is this evidence of btw

[untold sentinel]

you dont know what these words mean clearly

[edgy jacinth]

look guys

[untold sentinel]

hopw does you having a video prove that i am the only one with an issue?

[naive holly]

I want to post clips my friends 😭

[edgy jacinth]

i can stab people

[untold sentinel]

schatt has the same issue

[median glade]

he did have some, when he asked what exactly makes it unintuitve, but once i gave examples and explained how inuitiveness is subjective he went straight to insults

[naive holly]

DID SOMEONE SAY STAB

[edgy jacinth]

yeah

[untold sentinel]

he agrees its unintuitive

[edgy jacinth]

skill issues

[naive holly]

It's my favorite way to kill ppl

[untold sentinel]

so your claim that its only me is immediately falsified

[remote ferry]

The real heartwarming thing is that they have true hope they can make the other see reason

[brazen forum]

spears are horrible with controls imo

[mental kelp]

Let reason rulen where rage might reign

[brazen forum]

something about spears having weird physics and momentum

[rancid sluice]

i just don't agree with this, honestly. i think slashing and stabbing are basic movements that can be done fine, but applying them to combat with a live opponent is something completely different, and yes, this is something that is going to require a lot of practice. it's a simulator and the point of the game is the combat, so the combat is going to have a learning curve. it's going to take time to traverse that curve because that's the point.

[median glade]

so sad how reasonablility tends to fall flat, i had SOME hope in the begginging

[naive holly]

Soooo when we moving on then

Oh lord

[median glade]

nah but like he just paragraphed me

will i let him get the final blow...?

yes

yes i will

now

zanata

[mint wadi]

So, I recommend yall learn how to do roundhouse kicks. It's harder without slow motion, but possible. I typically use slow motion. I typically use them if I have one of my arms that are broken or hands messed up. It does work...sometimes. It's better than nothing!

[median glade]

time to move on collectively

[mint wadi]

Oh wrong one

[rancid sluice]

no i want to have a fist fight

[mental kelp]

none of ur clips every play for me on discord 💔

[austere salmon]

i love how this game can have both the most epic fights and hte most anticlimactic fights

[mint wadi]

This is the backup roundhouse kick one.

[remote ferry]

I was literally shaking excited to see a roundhouse kick

[austere salmon]

i had some no name with a sword and shield fight like hell, but i killed the militia champion instantly by stabbing him in the balls

[brazen forum]

im not gonna lie, I got a bit nausious with that shaking

[little verge]

and the fights that make you cry yourself to sleep.

[remote ferry]

Holy shit

[austere salmon]

yeah

[naive holly]

True can be. Games never made me motion sick but irl shit wrecks me

[remote ferry]

Just like my parents

[rancid sluice]

first person view is so cool but damn it is not easy to play for long

[mint wadi]

I just wish they'd implement some smoothing in first person.

[little verge]

Did cuckold get yelled allot at home too?

[untold sentinel]

the thing is youre talking from 88 hours of experience, so obviously those things are going to feel easy now, we are coming from 0, or very few, so our opinion on how intuitive that feels holds a bit more water just because you are used to the system so it feels normal either way, i dont disagree that it should be hard in a sim game, im arguing that this isnt just "difficulty" and more feeling limp and useless, thats the reason for annoyance

[austere salmon]

honestly i kinda want to get blade and sorcery, someone said its this game but with VR

[remote ferry]

I actually dont have parents but i wanted to make the joke regardless

[brazen forum]

I feel like maybe there could be some smoothing to make it less shakey but idk

[austere salmon]

is vr even werf for a swordfighting enthusiast?

[untold sentinel]

the complete lack of any weight or resistance makies it feel very weird

[remote ferry]

I knew it would land better if i pretended

[austere salmon]

oh i could imagine

[untold sentinel]

if you live in any city you should be able to find a HEMA plac ce

[brazen forum]

it's like 300 bucks for a mid end vr headset

[little verge]

Damn I don't know how to one up that one.
-# you win this round.

[austere salmon]

oh i have the money, i've been workign 40 hours as a groundskeeper and i dont really have bills, so i have like 3k saved

[brazen forum]

if you wanna do other stuff too with vr, i think it's worth

[mint wadi]

I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning, I break my legs, and every afternoon, I break my arms. At night, I lie awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.

[remote ferry]

What is this from

It sounds familiar

[austere salmon]

spongebo

[little verge]

BS every kid in GenX has this same cousin.

[mint wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-glass-paper-break-gif-18384377

Spongebob, Spencer.

[brazen forum]

omg, im getting better at kneck shots I think :DDDD

[remote ferry]

Ohh never saw that episode

[edgy jacinth]

it's a physics-based game. theyre all like this, you're controlling the character's arms and legs with a mouse and keyboard. it's never going to feel "intuitive" on first play because you don't move your limbs with a mouse and buttons in real life

[austere salmon]

hey john, have you had a boss fight just suddenly end in a single hit from a lucky stab

[remote ferry]

Almost had a valid point until the end

[untold sentinel]

tjhis is the reason for my COD comparison earlier, to me it should be that the basic attacks and functions, or just the idea that whatever attack i make actually poses a threat (not like the feeble wristed stab that annoyed me earlier) and that the challenge should be the effective employment of thse methods not the challenge being the motion itself

[little verge]

I have an ungodly amount of hours. The game is not intuitive unless you have played games with similar control schemes it is very hard for beginners.

[mint wadi]

Absolutely

[edgy jacinth]

smary bullshit from the peanut gallery. if you're not going to say anythign worth reading don't talk to me

[median glade]

sword duel....

[untold sentinel]

so... you admit it isnt intuitive

[mint wadi]

honestly I was assuming they didn't know the genuine definition of intuitive.

[austere salmon]

i had an epic looking boss in full plate die to one luckily placed stab to the groin, i was looking forward to that fight too

[edgy jacinth]

it's intuitive as it's ever going to be

[median glade]

late reply cause for some reason the mods timed me out AFTER i decided to move on 😭

[naive holly]

Enhancer punch strength is so fucking funny

[austere salmon]

i accidentally stabbed him though

[remote ferry]

Subjective. Worth reading also depends on your reading comprehension

[mint wadi]

Cause like....NOTHING is intuitive.

[austere salmon]

is htis some kinda mod

[median glade]

lol

[rancid sluice]

i know starting out doesn't feel easy, it wasn't that long ago when i started playing. at the end of the day, i know there are things about the game and its combat that need to be polished. i also believe, though, that there has to be a learning curve to this, especially as a game that is almost entirely physics-based. intuitivity and accessibility, i think, are two different things. the system is not very accessible and i fully agree on that front.

[untold sentinel]

thats just not true?

[brazen forum]

@little verge what do you think about having bones or something in the models so that the swords don't just go straight through?

[mint wadi]

Literally nothing is intuitive besides shit like breathing and existing.

You have to learn everything.

Anyways I don't want to get dragged into this.

[untold sentinel]

i dont think you understand what intuitive means

[edgy jacinth]

don't tell him he has to practice

he's going to get mad

[rancid sluice]

but also, i don't expect the system to ever be as accessible as a CoD or any other game on that front.

[edgy jacinth]

see

[naive holly]

Yee let's you spawn stuff and add a bunch of modifiers etc.

[rancid sluice]

brother, stop it, you're just ragebaiting at this point.

[austere salmon]

oh that sounds fun, can ye link the mod in DM's?

[edgy jacinth]

so what

[untold sentinel]

yes, and this contradicts you

[naive holly]

Fucking YALL. Can we throw on slowmode to end this

[mint wadi]

Literally almost nothing is intuitive for humans. We don't carry a lot of instinctual knowledge.

[untold sentinel]

he always was

[naive holly]

Sure one sec

[little verge]

No. However all intuition is based of some cursory knowledge. If you have never played a similar game with this control scheme it is very foreign and often frustrating.

[austere salmon]

danke

[untold sentinel]

youre not understanding the term

[austere salmon]

oh wait the game has a nexus

[rancid sluice]

this debate has gotten philosophical i'm going to kill myself

[median glade]

to stab? or not to stab?

[untold sentinel]

humans dont have instinctual knowledge on how to drink from a mug, we didnt evolve around mugs, but if you see a mug of water you dont need a tutorial on how to drink from it

[rancid sluice]

not to stab.

[edgy jacinth]

i'm only baiting because there's nothing to discuss. he's upset physics based games don't feel like putting on a skin suit and mocapping the character. what else is there to say about it other than practice or don't play the game

[remote ferry]

Finally, after so long you guys are actually defining and agreeing on a common set of terms!! (The first step in a real discussion)

[rancid sluice]

chop

[mental kelp]

ye barely any updated except like the 2 main I'm pretty sure

[mint wadi]

Which is why I say this game is really quite intuitive. Sure, it's complex, but generally you could guess that moving your mouse to the left will make you swipe left, moving right, etc.

[median glade]

nah ill stab (and miss)

[rancid sluice]

just use the woodman's axe it's like a cheat code

[mint wadi]

Anyways this is such a weird conversation.

[languid nest]

My intuition tells me that the only solution to such a bleak reality is to remove myself from it

[untold sentinel]

the core, bare control scheme is, the actual combat system, is not

[median glade]

this is a first in online arguments

never seen this happen before

[brazen forum]

what do y'all think of the spear weapons in the game? I feel like they are like, very clunky

[rancid sluice]

they take some time to get used to

[little verge]

There is already a full skeleton and all the internal organs modeled and present in game. The however have not been implemented beyond a static state. Guts spilling and compound fractures are planned.

[rancid sluice]

i still miss my stabs a lot tbh lol

i think it's a problem with the lock-on

[brazen forum]

omg :D

[rancid sluice]

i usually have no problem hitting stabs if i turn lock-on off but then i'm stuck moving facing one direction the whole time like a bozo

[untold sentinel]

when i say it feels unintuitive, what i mean isnt that i cant figure out the idea of a swiping motion or a stabbing motion, its that the reasoning behind these being unsuccessful in practice is obfuscated and difficult to resolve, i can easily tell how to perform a stabbing motion, it is not so clear why this stabbing motion isnt * working *

[naive holly]

Another clip please chill and look at the drip

[languid nest]

I feel like the stabs almost go out of their way to miss sometimes

[rancid sluice]

yall should upvote this

[median glade]

literally my #1 thing

[untold sentinel]

yes

[median glade]

inuitively i think they should go one way, but they end up going another

[languid nest]

Probably bugged

[naive holly]

Mostly when on the ground ironically.

Once you get the hang of it landing them in combat is satisfying and consistent af

[little verge]

Yes however the fact that you must click and drag the correct mouse button for the correlating limb is not intuitive. Especially if you are not accustomed to individual limb control.

It's like saying the combat is intuitive because you have played Mordhau but the game really plays like surgeon simulator.

[rancid sluice]

inuitively 😰

[rancid sluice]

as the alaskans do

[mint wadi]

Yeah that's true.

[brazen forum]

also, with shields, it's like, how do I move them independently

[median glade]

i think the other people are having trouble thinking about that because their experience makes them inuitively think it should go where it does

[median glade]

im gonna start spamming inuitively now

[rancid sluice]

what do the Inuit have to do with this 😠

[remote ferry]

Watching these guys argue was the ego boost i needed. Really made me feel higher on the bell curve

[languid nest]

Yeah but it feels like I won a fight with a game when I land a stab, not a fight with Willie.

[untold sentinel]

hence me saying repititon legitimisess

[median glade]

yes

[edgy jacinth]

the game is intuitive for what it is. if you want to play semantics then no game is intuitive, using a computer takes learning

[naive holly]

Two minutes of straight stabbing for anyone interested

[little verge]

It's been ages since I posted gameplay.

[untold sentinel]

you still fail to understand the concepots being discussed, and thats ok, we accept you for what you are

[naive holly]

Disagree there personally but it is one of the more fickle things. There's something to it tho

[median glade]

add a parry demon bot that (intuitively) looks weak but blocks every attack 🙏

[brazen forum]

I think I don't play with any of the shield characters cause it's actually bad playing them cause I can't hit the enemy and also block somehow

[naive holly]

definitely not easy tho

[rancid sluice]

i never use shield

fuck shields

i could be using two hands instead

[median glade]

longsword 🤤

[naive holly]

Since we're still on the stabbing

[untold sentinel]

see, doing THAT would be unintuitive

[languid nest]

There is. Idk. Sometimes it feels better than other times. It’s strange, but in general I don’t feel as much control as I do with slashes.

[remote ferry]

Honestly there could be a more intuitive control scheme for the game, like two mice, each with a joystick

[edgy jacinth]

nothing of value

[rancid sluice]

not necessarily. i want a sword long enough to close the distance without me getting too close, and using a shield limits me in that respect.

[median glade]

ONE TIME i got a goated longsword duel where there were like 4 consequtive parries and my brain (intuitively) was very happy

[naive holly]

It's uh, limited i will say. We only have forward and back from one stance. Wish there was more verticality and samces

[rancid sluice]

unless you mean literally to fuck the shield

[untold sentinel]

uhhh.. reread it a bit more literally

[rancid sluice]

then yes, that is a little unintuitive

lmao

okay

[little verge]

Correct. If you have never played a game like it before it is a foreign and less intuitive.

[rancid sluice]

depends on the shield i guess

[median glade]

maybe to decide..

you could use

intuition

[languid nest]

My intuition tells me that swinging my sword at this guy will make me happy

[untold sentinel]

well schnatt weve just concluded (intuitively) that it is unintuitive

[rancid sluice]

intuition means fucking nothing to me now

[little verge]

Use a gamepad mate lol.

[median glade]

intuitively i would have to agree

[rancid sluice]

don't you mean inuitively

[remote ferry]

Ur so silly... I already do

[median glade]

wait now when someone say intuition you will intuitively think nothing

[little verge]

Gross.

[untold sentinel]

narwhal boss when

[median glade]

think about that intuitively

[brazen forum]

it's like bad cause you'd expect the shield to stay where it's at but if you try attacking while blocking a hit from another angle, that's not gonna work out

[remote ferry]

Gamepad in my left, mouse in my right

[edgy jacinth]

And my 82 year old grandpa who never used a computer would find opening steam unintuitive but that's not a criticism of anything lol

[median glade]

yes

i am canadian 💔

[brazen forum]

cause your mouse controls both shield and weapon

[rancid sluice]

i can't speak on this because I rarely play with shields so idk how blocking works lmao

[edgy jacinth]

Like anything you're unfamiliar with is unintuitive no shit

[median glade]

two mice

no

four

for legs

[untold sentinel]

genuine question, did you struggle in school, i dont mean this as an insult, im genuinely curious

[remote ferry]

This is where my double mouse idea came from

[little verge]

I am gonna add intuitive to Automod ban list.

[median glade]

NO

[rancid sluice]

good

[untold sentinel]

intuitively?

[rancid sluice]

inuitive is safe though

[brazen forum]

maybe we could have like buttons for preprogrammed shield locations??

[median glade]

inutively i would be sad

[rare hearth]

wha does it even mean

[remote ferry]

An intuitive solution

[median glade]

are you inuitive?

[untold sentinel]

so we have the answer- intuitive is unintuitive

[rancid sluice]

nah, i'm from New Zealand

[median glade]

inuitive is intuitive

[languid nest]

My intuition says that this is unnecessary and oppressive. I should relate this to 1984.

[little verge]

I don't know what argument your trying to make here?

[untold sentinel]

intuitively i would agree

[rare hearth]

why does it look like a misspelt word

[rancid sluice]

jamais vu

[untold sentinel]

hes either challenged or ragebaiting

[rancid sluice]

i think

[edgy jacinth]

Tldr having to practice is bullshit and the game's fault 😡

[rancid sluice]

idr what the word is

[remote ferry]

Literally stumbling head first into the point and still missing it

[rancid sluice]

lmao

[median glade]

this isnt very inuitive can you explain

[untold sentinel]

the man could not be denser if he tried

[untold sentinel]

intuitively? no

[remote ferry]

No he probably goes to the gym they often do

[median glade]

😭 (inuitively)

[untold sentinel]

so do i, i can still comprehend a sentence

[little verge]

Make CM angry before bedtime. he makes chat cool down many minutes.

[rancid sluice]

no, in Inuit terms

[remote ferry]

Hes literally becoming denser through effort

[brazen forum]

intuitively, what do you guys think is the best side weapon?

[median glade]

the second you leave its starting again 💔

[lethal crag]

hello wonderbeast-hope you’re doing well 🫡

[median glade]

and i will be inuition baiting

[rancid sluice]

dagger or mace

[untold sentinel]

or maybe hes stopped trying to achieve the mythical "thought"

[brazen forum]

how does the hand axe do?

[rancid sluice]

reject thought, become monky

[rancid sluice]

i'd rather just have a full axe

[little verge]

I will set it to six hours then!

[median glade]

monkeys have intuition not thought...

[untold sentinel]

rather unintuitive

[remote ferry]

Speaking my language- i mean ooh ooh ah ah

[untold sentinel]

and this guy has neither

[little verge]

Hello Abom I am good. tired.

[lethal crag]

that would be most unfortunate

[median glade]

who is this guy tho

[untold sentinel]

lerd

[little verge]

I have learned to master the Striesand effect.

[median glade]

lard

[rancid sluice]

i am sorry you wandered into this dumpster fire in the chat

[mint wadi]

Does anybody else find bonking just REALLY comedic.

[edgy jacinth]

They're mad at me because I told them they need to practice and can't just immediately be good their first time playing lmao

[rancid sluice]

i almost feel partially responsible 😔

(this is a joke)

[lethal crag]

well, same here really- it’s 2 am and i don’t really plan on sleeping and couldn’t if i wanted to lol

[little verge]

It's my job.

[median glade]

yo lard stop baiting its over

[little verge]

Sleeping is good.

[untold sentinel]

lerd is just ragebaiting because he didnt understand about half of the english lexicon

[rancid sluice]

i don't work in the morning so i guess i'm no-lifing

[mint wadi]

do you get paid to admin

[brazen forum]

yk how the weapon kinda wobbles after any move right? do you guys think it's a bit much?

[edgy jacinth]

All this time you spent crying and trying to insult me you could've landed a stab finally lol

[mint wadi]

and manage the community

[lethal crag]

it is- i know. problem being i tried for awhile and it really wasn’t working

[remote ferry]

Yeah bro i honestly feel bad. Im sorry that this is hard for you

[median glade]

i think lexicon is too complex for him

[little verge]

No, but I am paid to be the community manager.

[mint wadi]

That's pretty sick.

[untold sentinel]

genuinely what is life like for someone like that

[brazen forum]

how many people are on the team rn?

[untold sentinel]

maybe hes the reason they have to put "caution hot water" stickers on hot drink machines

[thorny perch]

two

[remote ferry]

Probably amazing. Intuitive even

[edgy jacinth]

Don't feel bad, I don't have any trouble with Half Sword lol

[median glade]

no thats me

[untold sentinel]

true, i doubt hed be able to read it

[rancid sluice]

i honestly prefer bonks over slices

[untold sentinel]

hed probably warn the water

[median glade]

this got me dead 😭

[lethal crag]

community manager, i assume, goes beyond discord right?

[rancid sluice]

it feels sacrilegious given the game but a good conk is just really funny

[little verge]

There 12 members of the dev team and 6 members of Game Seer (marketing PR). 18 total people.

[remote ferry]

Not any harder than Hava so i agree with you somewhat

[rancid sluice]

that's not a big dev team at all considering the scale

[untold sentinel]

we meant basic comprehension but thats good bud

[mental kelp]

this auto-block orientation change is so annyoing. stopping me from doing a zwerch and a schielhau

how it points it to the sky

[median glade]

bro is too funny i hope u dont get ran over tommorow at 4:26pm 🙏

well

[untold sentinel]

ill be inside cooking for my gf at 4:26pm

[little verge]

That's uncalled for.

[untold sentinel]

i dont think it was meant to be a threat

[brazen forum]

final destinationed

[untold sentinel]

i think youve misinterpreted

[rancid sluice]

i've been seeing a lot more lumber trucks ever since final destination started getting advertised

[median glade]

its like when someone invents water powered cars and you say "hope you dont go missing" i didnt mean it as a threat i swear 😭

[rancid sluice]

i wonder if that's on purpose.

[remote ferry]

Nah dont wish harm on people for being silly on the internet

[untold sentinel]

in the 7th floor flat of my uni apartment, if anyone runs me over itll be bloody aladdin

[untold sentinel]

yeah ik, it just doesnt come off as obvious over text

[little verge]

Yep I am the one behind all the platforms.

[remote ferry]

I just wish he asked me what Hava was so I could say hava nice night

[untold sentinel]

@remote ferry whats hava

[rancid sluice]

hava my balls

[brazen forum]

lmao, I sometimes run into enemies and I end up cutting their legs off