turned off to avoid misinformation

[flint idol]

does that work for amd aswell ?

and how should i replace these numbers if i want to have the lowest latency

[jovial heron]

What if I have low vram

It will drops my performance

[wary notch]

it depend how much VRAM you have in your GPU just use overlay from RTSS or others and check how much VRAM the game + LSFG take while running to see if it consume all your VRAM or not and see if you need to reduce or increase this value

[jovial heron]

900mb maximum of 1024

[wary notch]

on dxgi_frametime_buffer_size, what is your value on this parameters for you to have 900mb of 1024mb ?

[wary notch]

maybe stupid to say because your kinda on the edge of your gpu, but try adding 1 by 1 and keep the one that you like without surcharging your vram gpu for you to not have an unstable system

[jovial heron]

15 dxgi

[jovial heron]

Ok

[jovial heron]

Does it affect the artifacts

[loud belfry]

No

Large buffer (e.g. 20-30):
Pros: Improves overall smoothness, reduces noticeable frame rate stutters.
Cons: May increase latency, GPU and VRAM usage.

Small buffer (e.g. 5-10):
Pros: Responds more quickly to changes in game performance.
Cons: May result in a less stable framepacing experience, causing noticeable stutters.

[jovial heron]

🤔

[loud belfry]

?

[wary notch]

[Small buffer (e.g. 5-10):
Cons: May result in a less stable framepacing experience, causing noticeable stutters.] But does those cons might be override if capping the game at a stable framerate like 60 or 80 fps all time ?

[jovial heron]

I can't feel no smoothness or delay or vram increase or anything???

Vrame is the same

[loud belfry]

Yes

[wary notch]

nice

[jovial heron]

It's weird

[loud belfry]

This is normal, it is a small improvement, to notice it you would have to do a side by side comparison

If it didn't affect your vram it's good

[jovial heron]

Yea

But

50 or 1 isnt a difference

🤔🤔

[loud belfry]

Because there may be an unexplained limit to the buffer, note that you can put a billion if you want but I doubt this is supported

It's also most useful when there are noticeable variations in frame rendering times. To see a clearer difference, you'd need to test in a scenario with more variation or instability in framerate.

[jovial heron]

I put 200 and no difference 😂😂

[jovial heron]

Variable fps

[loud belfry]

Well, we have to wait for ths to detail more about the limits

[jovial heron]

Are you a tester

Or anything from the program

[loud belfry]

No, I'm just a regular user

[jovial heron]

Let's expect when the new update will release

My expectations is 9/25

[loud belfry]

I think the update will only come out next month because of the video creation event

[loud belfry]

These settings may not work properly or crash the application so use with caution.

[jovial heron]

I change these

[jovial heron]

Where that

[loud belfry]

Since the file does not require compilation you can use notepad

[jovial heron]

Oh I was thinking visual studio opens it

[candid thicket]

So we must create new file name as above or existing config file ?
And i appreciate if u write lign that natter most give more fps less latency ty

[loud belfry]

This file comes by default when you install LLS

[jovial heron]

It will come

[jovial heron]

Oh @candid thicket hi bro

[candid thicket]

do u have more fps less latency if so which ones u use or maybe help a little

[jovial heron]

I will try it now

But I think it improves smoothness but delay no

Don't improve delay

[candid thicket]

Hi homey 🙂 what to come bro lsfg 2 12 with x100 😆

[jovial heron]

😆😆

[jovial heron]

2.12 I wait for it

[jovial heron]

Wait some time cuz windows 10 gonna update

It's annoying

[candid thicket]

Sure me too I can't wait

[jovial heron]

Yea cuz I wait to improve the low fps perf

[candid thicket]

nice 👌

[jovial heron]

I need code to improve smoothness I don't care alot latency

[wary notch]

it's a new one or just a description add on it ? and what it prioritize ?

[loud belfry]

It's a new

[wary notch]

cool it prioritize latency or smoothness ?

[loud belfry]

usage performance in demanding scenarios

[wary notch]

oh nice pretty cool thing, I wonder what is your GPU ?

[loud belfry]

RTX 2060

[harsh crater]

did this increase perforamnce

[wary notch]

yeah when your gpu as difficulty to maintaine quality if i'm correct @loud belfry ?

[harsh crater]

like im losing 30 fps when using framegen would this help in that?

[wary notch]

it should be but i wait the answer from @loud belfry to be precise i don't want to say something wrong since i'm not a dev or coder XD

[loud belfry]

Does not affect quality

[wary notch]

just try to understand what it does to

[wary notch]

okok

[jovial heron]

Affect on framepacing

[loud belfry]

no

[jovial heron]

Oh

[loud belfry]

This better distributes system resources and optimizes memory and thread usage.

[jovial heron]

It helps fps or no

[loud belfry]

help

[jovial heron]

Oh

[wary notch]

ok nice so nothing from the gpu only better usage from the cpu ? or i'm wrong ?

[jovial heron]

Let me try

After the update

[harsh crater]

im gonna try too

[loud belfry]

open a post in the support section, I'll help you there

[jovial heron]

Windows updates now 😔

[jovial heron]

Open perf mode

Or low your res

From the lossless scaling app not from the game like fsr or dlss it will take 30 fps but try from ls it will take 25 if you use 1.2 and xbr

[loud belfry]

It takes the load off the GPU and CPU

[wary notch]

ok cool a good balance thx, what is your cpu to?, mine is i5-11600K and gpu is RX 6900 XT do you think your parameters would do a good job on my system ?

[loud belfry]

Yes it should improve, my cpu is an R7 5700X

[wary notch]

thx for the answers bro, if you keep making changing like that do you keep posting in this channel or do you gonna creat a new one, i like guys like you trying improving the app and system 🤌🏼

[loud belfry]

I intend to continue bringing changes, yes, although it is very limited.

[wary notch]

good thing thx

[loud belfry]

I also made my version of DLAA optimized, lighter and less aggressive to the text.

[wary notch]

oh sweet

[harsh crater]

wahts this

[wary notch]

how i installe it directly in ls app or like a reshade thing ?

[loud belfry]

This is a shader for Reshade, I used as a base the DLAA from Jose Negrete AKA BlueSkyDefender

[wary notch]

okok

[jovial heron]

It needs Nvidia GPU or to put in lossless scaling and I don't know how to put it

And it doesn't appear in the app

[harsh crater]

where did u put this

[jovial heron]

Here

See

[loud belfry]

Needs Reshade to work, This is not NVIDIA's DLAA

[loud belfry]

You need to install Reshade in LLS or in-game https://discord.com/channels/1042475930217631784/1271345669545922631

Preferably in the game

[harsh crater]

is it an upscaler?

[jovial heron]

But this cost a lot of fps I think

I need every single frame to get smooth experience

[loud belfry]

Yes, it should only be used by those who want anti-aliasing.

[jovial heron]

No

[jovial heron]

Aa I guess

[harsh crater]

okay

[loud belfry]

This is Directionally localized antialiasing

[wary notch]

damn your DLAA is impressive not to blurry and no performance hit like the origin one thx dude

[loud belfry]

You're welcome, and I only got to this because I was trying to do frame interpolation using reshade, well it didn't work haha

[wary notch]

yeah i heard of that, did you use only your DLAA and frame interpolation shader to try making frame gen if so, i think you need to put one or two shaders more one is call vector motion from martyMCfly if i'm correct, but idk if it need another one to follow the one from marty

[loud belfry]

I tried to do this, I added Marty's motion vector to my code but I didn't get good results.

[wary notch]

i don't know how it really work but i think it's possible to do and i hope gonna be soon, would be so nice to see another app doing its own frame gen

[loud belfry]

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<configuration>
<runtime>
<gcServer enabled="true"/>
<gcConcurrent enabled="true"/>
<gcLatencyMode value="Interactive"/>
<Thread_UseAllCpuGroups enabled="true"/>
<Thread_UseNewSynchronizationContext enabled="true"/>
<AppContextSwitchOverrides value="Switch.System.GC.AllowVeryLargeObjects=true"/>
<JITMinOpts enabled="true"/>
<useLegacyJit enabled="false"/>
<PreferThreadPoolThreads enabled="true"/>
<EnableFrameBufferOptimization enabled="true"/>
</runtime>
<startup>
<supportedRuntime version="v4.0" sku=".NETFramework,Version=v4.8"/>
</startup>
</configuration>

[loud belfry]

Well, it's not impossible but it's damn hard.

[jovial heron]

I will try to make one now for people who have igpu and low end dgpu and cpu

[loud belfry]

the idea of ​​a frame generator shader is to use frame interpolation and extrapolation

[wary notch]

yeah sure i trust you on that one XD

[wary notch]

this one aim what thing ?

[loud belfry]

ensure stability

[wary notch]

👍🏼

[loud belfry]

there are ai models on github that interpolate in real time, good luck

[jovial heron]

Can be installed on ls

[jovial heron]

I don't understand what you mean it difference than lsfg or what

[loud belfry]

If you want to make one from scratch this is a starting point you can consider, but honestly you have to have some knowledge of programming and deep learning

[harsh crater]

yo can u help me with setting the thing up

[jovial heron]

No I don't know these ai things so much

You mean I will make a program

[jovial heron]

If you have low hardware I can help you

[loud belfry]

#1286981772457807926 message

I thought you said that haha

[jovial heron]

No why

If he have low gpu I would help him

[loud belfry]

I'll be away for a while, this is the latest version of the configurations. This configuration is a trial since I don't know which parameters are accepted by LLS, but I know it reads them because of consecutive crashes >_<

[jovial heron]

It's on alpha or beta version rn

[loud belfry]

alpha but it is working fine

[jovial heron]

Hope low end devices be supported in ur code in the next version

[wary notch]

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<configuration>
<!-- Set runtime to optimize resource usage -->
<runtime>
<!-- Use Garbage Collection in server mode to optimize memory usage on multi-core processors -->
<gcServer enabled="true"/>

<!-- Enable concurrent garbage collection to avoid long pauses -->
<gcConcurrent enabled="true"/>

<!-- Distribute threads evenly across all available CPU groups -->
<Thread_UseAllCpuGroups enabled="true"/>

<!-- Improve synchronization management in new thread contexts -->
<Thread_UseNewSynchronizationContext enabled="true"/>

<!-- Allow very large objects (>2GB) on the heap -->
<AppContextSwitchOverrides value="Switch.System.GC.AllowVeryLargeObjects=true;Switch.System.Threading.UseNetCoreTimer=false"/>

<!-- Optimize for better performance by avoiding inlining small methods that cause overhead -->
<JITMinOpts enabled="true"/>

<!-- Enable aggressive use of optimizations in the Just-in-Time (JIT) compiler -->
<useLegacyJit enabled="false"/>
<PreferThreadPoolThreads enabled="true"/>
<EnableFrameBufferOptimization enabled="true"/>
</runtime>

<!-- Configuration of the .NET Framework used -->
<startup>
<supportedRuntime version="v4.0" sku=".NETFramework,Version=v4.8"/>
</startup>
</configuration> @loud belfry this one from you is the best for me i just add 2 more line from your last posting <PreferThreadPoolThreads enabled="true"/>
<EnableFrameBufferOptimization enabled="true"/>

very good latency almost none in X2 mode and nearly zero artifacts

[loud belfry]

thanks for reporting

also note that I added the <gcLatencyMode value="Interactive"/>

to decrease latency

I tested it in a more aggressive mode to lower latency but this was the only one that worked.

[wary notch]

oh hell yeah thx for telling me

[loud belfry]

@harsh crater

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<configuration>
<runtime>
<gcServer enabled="true"/>
<gcConcurrent enabled="true"/>
<gcLatencyMode value="Interactive"/>
<Thread_UseAllCpuGroups enabled="true"/>
<Thread_UseNewSynchronizationContext enabled="true"/>
<AppContextSwitchOverrides value="Switch.System.GC.AllowVeryLargeObjects=true"/>
<JITMinOpts enabled="true"/>
<useLegacyJit enabled="false"/>
<PreferThreadPoolThreads enabled="true"/>
<EnableFrameBufferOptimization enabled="true"/>
</runtime>
<startup>
<supportedRuntime version="v4.0" sku=".NETFramework,Version=v4.8"/>
</startup>
</configuration>

[jovial heron]

Guys

Help

For some reason I open it now and I don't see anything

Is this normal

[harsh crater]

did u forget to save?

[vital dock]

what's this, optimized LS ui?

[loud belfry]

I thought that although I can't change the rendering or scaling, modifying the .NET configuration could help in some way, well at least for me it helped a lot because the reshade made the interface more stuck and with crashes now it doesn't crash or freeze

[jovial heron]

No

[jovial heron]

There is these

[jovial heron]

I need to copy this or what

[harsh crater]

yes

it helps with the latency

[jovial heron]

Help me

Copy this or this will be on the program

[candid thicket]

which ones that help in latency

[harsh crater]

this one

[wind sandal]

Chargement...

Veuillez patienter. Cela ne prendra pas longtemps !

[jovial heron]

Guys

I copyed all this and all of this codes crashed

[wary notch]

what code did you try ?

[jovial heron]

1

And

[jovial heron]

2

[jovial heron]

And one of your Idk where

[wary notch]

ok and it crash when ? at launch of ls or when activate LSFG ?

try this one

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<configuration>
<runtime>
<gcServer enabled="true"/>
<gcConcurrent enabled="true"/>
<gcLatencyMode value="SustainedLowLatency"/>
<Thread_UseAllCpuGroups enabled="true"/>
<Thread_UseNewSynchronizationContext enabled="true"/>
<AppContextSwitchOverrides value="Switch.System.GC.AllowVeryLargeObjects=true;Switch.System.Threading.UseNetCoreTimer=false"/>
<JITMinOpts enabled="true"/>
<useLegacyJit enabled="false"/>
<PreferThreadPoolThreads enabled="true"/>
<EnableFrameBufferOptimization enabled="true"/>
</runtime>
<startup>
<supportedRuntime version="v4.0" sku=".NETFramework,Version=v4.8"/>
</startup>
</configuration>

[jovial heron]

No it doesn't open

[jovial heron]

Doesn't open

[wary notch]

try this in the config.ini file

; Do not report issues using a configuration other than the default

[capture]
; A buffer used to estimate a game's framerate by averaging the delta time between captured frames [1-]
; This value greatly affects both framepacing and stability
dxgi_frametime_buffer_size = 10

[lsfg]
; Disable LSFG UI detection if not needed [0-1]
ui_detection = 1
; How often to run UI detection, in base frames [1-4]
; 1 - better quality, 4 - better performance
ui_detection_rate = 2

[wary notch]

do you launch it via steam or by the .exe directly ?

[jovial heron]

The exe

[wary notch]

good

[jovial heron]

I keep it 4 to get good fps without loss the whole ui

[wary notch]

ok

[jovial heron]

I use that

No

I mean in the lossless scaling.exe.config

[wary notch]

no the config.ini

[jovial heron]

Yea

Im talking about the lossless scaling.exe.config to edit in that

[jovial heron]

When I edit in that Nothing is happening

[jovial heron]

Maybe it perform better

[wary notch]

show me what you have in the losslesscaling.exe.config and in config.ini

[jovial heron]

Dxgi 15, UI 1 (4)

[wary notch]

ok good

[jovial heron]

Lossless.exe.config nothing
Just net framework version

And nothing

[wary notch]

AIE here we go

[jovial heron]

It supposed to be this

Or I copy this

[wary notch]

yup

[jovial heron]

🤔🤔

I tried copying these line and it doesn't open

[wary notch]

just put those and replace those you have

[jovial heron]

Okay

I hope it works

[wary notch]

me too

if not work just unistall it and re-install and copy paste the file i give you

[jovial heron]

It works with you

What gpu you have

[wary notch]

nice

RX 6900 XT

[jovial heron]

May you because you have dx 12.2 but I have dx 12

You have the ultimate

[wary notch]

nah it nothing to with that i think you just have mess up some code line XD

can you show me trought stream ?

[jovial heron]

Steam

Or what

[wary notch]

discord stream

[jovial heron]

Oh

Wait minute

I'm trying now

I will send you the original file and the file you sent to me

[wary notch]

ok

[gaunt stratus]

what is this for?

ill give it a try

[loud belfry]

This config.ini balances quality/performance

And LosslessScaling.exe.config, according to the developer's reaction, is only for the LLS interface, so if you are using reshade I recommend using it.

[ashen axle]

Hi is it possible to use reshade on a game that doesn't allow it using lossless scaling

[loud belfry]

Sure, just install reshade directly in the game.

[mellow pelican]

Will reducing buffer decrease latency?

[loud belfry]

Yes, but a small buffer makes the framerate more susceptible to rapid variations, resulting in a more choppy experience.

[loud belfry]

My settings for LossLess Scaling

[mellow pelican]

tbh i can't really notice either stuttering or a reduction in input latency, but VRAM is noticeably less like 100mb less so that

*that's a win.

[loud belfry]

very good

[wary notch]

@loud belfry does LS can run on a certain API like DX9 or DX11 from DXVK ? to be able to cap it with RTSS cuz i'm not able to cap it, it doesn't work

[loud belfry]

it uses dx11

[wary notch]

ok so if i try to swap it with dxvk it could be working i'll try

@loud belfry not working, i mean maybe it worked, after activated LS the cursor disappear, not fps counters show, and idk if it generate frame cuz i don't see the fps counter

[loud belfry]

But of course

LLS does not work on vulkan

[wary notch]

🫡

[loud belfry]

It depends on Directx to work.

[wary notch]

okok

[mellow pelican]

Hey arthur, just to make it clear for myself... does decreasing the buffer increase or decrease gpu usage?

[loud belfry]

can increase gpu usage

In my tests I honestly didn't see any changes in increase or decrease.

But theoretically it was supposed to affect it.

[loud belfry]

only change LosslessScaling.exe.config if you are using reshade, it may solve the crash problems but for other things it is useless

[steep fjord]

Just copy paste these in LosslessScaling.exe.config? Any difference for 3x, 4x mode?

it seems it makes slightly less latency

[loud belfry]

This setting only changes the LLS menu, it does not affect LSFG, etc.

[steep fjord]

ah... its a placebo effect then

[steep fjord]

so, only frame buffer size and ui detection rate affects frame generation?

[loud belfry]

yes

but I can't say if the buffer changes anything because you can put 1 or 1 billion and it will remain the same

[mellow pelican]

I think 1 billion would revert to a failsafe default which is 15

[steep fjord]

Let me be clear: frame buffer size value of 10 is a sweet spot?

[wary notch]

yop @loud belfry can you show where to put those lines in the new => LosslessScaling.runtimeconfig.json <gcLatencyMode value="1"/>
<Thread_UseAllCpuGroups enabled="1"/>
<Thread_UseNewSynchronizationContext enabled="1"/>
<PreferThreadPoolThreads enabled="1"/>
<EnableFrameBufferOptimization enabled="1"/>

it use net9.0 now

[jovial heron]

How you make these things

[wary notch]

my man thx @loud belfry

just copy it into LosslessScaling.runtimeconfig.json

in ls root folder

[loud belfry]

are generic values

the context may or may not be identified

[jovial heron]

Can you Send me the file every time I copy these ls crash

[loud belfry]

but wait a bit

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/framework/configure-apps/file-schema/runtime/thread-useallcpugroups-element https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.runtime.gclatencymode?view=net-9.0

[jovial heron]

Send it to me

[jovial heron]

Okay thanks bro

[loud belfry]

turned off to avoid misinformation

[candid thicket]

Guys can you do a test if possible like in ms paint or heavy latency games as yuzu zelda last one which better for latency
And try setting like : garbage collector 1.2.3.4 and any other setting my help try one by one the best for input lag for competitive games or test at lower fps as 30 with mouse acceleration turned off with unlocked fps worst case scenario 😆

i will do tests later but right know my pc is out of service ty 🙂

[wary notch]

you can try these one, i modified it, so it should keep the latency at the lowest possible, just modified one line in the code the "Thread_AffinitizeToCpus" mine is a 6 core 12 threads so i put these value => 0,2,4,6,8,10,12 but if use have more or less threads just adjust by your number of threads

[jovial heron]

Bro hi I need something for smoothness not the latency

[wary notch]

it should had more smoothness to it since i put the value of using all cpu cores and force hardware acceleration

[jovial heron]

Oh

[flint idol]

@jovial heron could you maybe recap everythign which was discussed in this post ?

[jovial heron]

Abstract, download this

[flint idol]

and then ?

ive seen you guys talked a lot abt latency and settings

@loud belfry @wary notch Ive read your comments and the conversations. Could you maybe give us a guide on how to reduce overall latency or just give us spome tipps ?

[jovial heron]

Even if you apply this file, you wouldn't notice a big difference in latency and Smoothness

[loud belfry]

Changing this file is only relevant if you use reshade

[jovial heron]

Oh