Performance degradation with DXGI and WGC capture method\2.6.0.5 beta

[worthy monolith]

Screen scaling does not work, does not expand the game from 720p to 1080p, the screen remains at 720p, everything else is black, Intel + GTX 1650Ti, laptop.

[abstract hull]

Can your mouse be shown after zooming

[worthy monolith]

The beta version is not working properly

[abstract hull]

I have this problem too. My mouse also disappeared after zoomed, I don't know if you will have this problem

[worthy monolith]

my mouse did not disappear, but my game window does not increase from 720p to 1080p

[abstract hull]

Then you're already a lot better than me

I can't even see the mouse

[worthy monolith]

the problem with the beta is different, so I'm not sitting on the beta version, I'm using the stable version of the program

Try these settings, but it's not a fact that you'll see a mouse.

[nocturne sorrel]

What scaling options you using?

[worthy monolith]

LS1 and AMD FSR

[worthy monolith]

a new error has occurred

2.6.0.4 beta 5 Screen upscaling does not work

this happens most often in beta

[worthy monolith]

after the error that I showed above, LS crashes

[rapid hamlet]

Whats your hardware? Any dgpu igpu?

[worthy monolith]

I have a laptop

[rapid hamlet]

And you using integrated screen or out to monitor?

[worthy monolith]

I'm using the main monitor

[rapid hamlet]

Integrated laptop screen connected to igpu => Set LS in Windows Graphic Prefered to iGPU to make LS run under iGPU

[worthy monolith]

Is that what you mean?

[rapid hamlet]

No, windows graphic not nvidia

Type Graphic in Windows Search bar

[worthy monolith]

I understand what you mean, I usually put a video card there instead of an integrated graphics processor

[rapid hamlet]

Yes but you have to set LS to run on same gpu as where the display connected to (in case of laptop integrated screen, it connected to igpu)

[worthy monolith]

I'll test it now, see what happens

[worthy monolith]

интересное решение, теперь все работает более адекватно

[rapid hamlet]

Just remember this so next time you hdmi out to monitor, usually that's hdmi-out connect to dgpu then set LS to run with dgpu

[rapid hamlet]

Yea set LS to Power Saving (igpu)

[worthy monolith]

I added LS to the graphics, set up the graphics card for high performance both in the game and in LS, now everything works correctly

[worthy monolith]

now the program works correctly on the main graphics card in a high-performance format

[rapid hamlet]

No, if using laptop screen, you have to set LS in Windows Graphic to Power Saving (Igpu)

[worthy monolith]

everything works fine the way I set it

[rapid hamlet]

Show me this advanced display of your please

[worthy monolith]

Can you understand at least from Russian ?

[rapid hamlet]

Your current screen connect to UHD Graphic -> igpu

[rapid hamlet]

Set Lossless Scaling here to Power Saving to run on Intel igpu

[worthy monolith]

as programmers say, if everything works correctly, then it's better not to touch it.

[rapid hamlet]

Try it

Because it's not gonna work properly

Like it should

[worthy monolith]

I found a good working solution that works perfectly with the graphics card

[rapid hamlet]

LS have to run on the same GPU as screen

Not game

[worthy monolith]

Why is there such a graft to the built-in GPU?

[rapid hamlet]

Because LS capturing image on screen, so have to be on same gpu as screen

Then inside LS app, you can try to set Prefered GPU to igpu or dgpu if you like

[worthy monolith]

doesn't LS intercept the video card codecs during graphics processing by the main video card?

[rapid hamlet]

LS capturing image on screen, so have to be on same gpu as screen in Windows Setting

If you want LS to utilise iGPU or dGPU to processing, set it inside LS app

[worthy monolith]

why do you have such a division into IGPU and DGPU? everything is simpler for me GPU And CPU

[rapid hamlet]

Because most cpu has igpu

That's what dev told me and I tell you back

[worthy monolith]

I understand why you divide processors into an integrated and a separate GPU

[worthy monolith]

by the way, I tested an analog from the Japanese, magpie works worse for them, and the capture system is different, and it works worse on my system, the capture system works more correctly right there, and also frame generation, which works mediocre so far, I will wait for LSFG 2.0.so far, I see prospects in LS, and I believe that the software should not be tied to a certain hardware, but should work on all systems

[rapid hamlet]

?

[worthy monolith]

I just wanted to discuss it with you.

[rapid hamlet]

Sorry I just dont understand some of word you saying

" I believe that the software should not be tied to a certain hardware, but should work on all systems" => this is because how stupid windows is

[worthy monolith]

it's not about Windows, it's about corporations

[worthy monolith]

Do you have Vencord installed?It just has a translator through which I understand you.

[rapid hamlet]

Ah no, I use Discord app

[worthy monolith]

vencord only works on PCs with DS

[worthy monolith]

Thank you for your help with solving the problem

[rapid hamlet]

Your welcome

[worthy monolith]

Do you have time to talk to me?

[rapid hamlet]

Ok what you want to ask?

[worthy monolith]

Do you live in the USA? or in another country, I'm just from Kazakhstan

[rapid hamlet]

No I'm in Asia

[worthy monolith]

Are you from China, Japan, Korea?

[rapid hamlet]

Yea

[worthy monolith]

and which of the listed countries?

[rapid hamlet]

Why?

[worthy monolith]

tell me which country you are from, which I listed earlier

sometimes it's hard for me to convey my thoughts to you from Russian into English

[rapid hamlet]

China

[worthy monolith]

by the way, Kazakhstan is also part of Asia

[rapid hamlet]

Anyway I have to leave now

[worthy monolith]

you and I have +2 hours difference, I want to learn more about China, if you come back, I'll be glad to talk to you

The problem is solved\2.6.0.4 beta 5\ Screen upscaling does not work

[worthy monolith]

Developer, I wanted to ask you about frame generation. Since the system does not work quite correctly, is it possible to use software to force LSFG to generate frames without reference to the hertz of the screen and without limiting fps, for example, through the CUDA core, if possible, or in some way intercept information about graphics processing during the game, and then playback at 30 frames per second at 60 Hertz, this is suicide, but the interface in the game is an epileptic's nightmare, if you can get rid of this habit and make a more approximate analogue of RTX frame generation, then this will be a breakthrough LSFG 2.0

[mortal brook]

forget about FSR 2.0/3.0, DLSS or XeSS

They require in-engine integration they require motion vectors

LS doesn't do that

[worthy monolith]

ok

[worthy monolith]

What about LFSG?

[mortal brook]

LSFG is ths's own solution and he said there will be newer models and improvements down the road, that one is constantly being worked on

and it doesn't require in-engine information but because of that it's harder to develop it

[worthy monolith]

will the binding scheme change?

[mortal brook]

What do you mean exactly i'm not sure what you mean here

[worthy monolith]

the binding scheme is 30 fps 60 hertz, 60 fps +140 hertz, and so on

[mortal brook]

with the latest betas LSFG follows your fps and doubles it exactly there's not exactly a need anymore for a cap but it helps with frame pacing especially if your gpu cant handle going above monitor refresh rate with lsfg

[worthy monolith]

I have a monitor with a frequency of 60 Hertz, in the game I have 100 frames per second + for example, lsfg adds 20 frames per second to me, it turns out 120 frames per second without restrictions and fast virtual pulse, does it work like this now? what to do with twitching of interest at lsfg?

[mortal brook]

hmm i'm actually not sure about this since i have a 165Hz monitor myself
you shouldn't really use LSFG if you already go above monitor refresh rate w/o it especially at 60hz basically what you'll do is have smth around 90-100 real frames and 90-100 interpolated frames and in the window of 60frames it'll just output w/e is ready be it a real or a fake frame i dont think it will quite help you right now

if dev sees this he can answer it more throughly

[worthy monolith]

my friend has an RTX video card and it +- works on the same principle that I described earlier, it gives out +200 fps without a vertical sync pulse, it gives him another +-100 fps and that's all without pulling up the interface, provided that he has a 60 hertz monitor

[mortal brook]

Seems to be working just fine LSFG now just discards excess frames above monitor rate

be it REAL or FAKE frames

you'll get 60fps(either real or fake but there's no control which one, it'll get the nearest one that's ready in the queue) out of all those 200 (real & fake frames) with even-ish frame pacing

[worthy monolith]

if I knew how NVIDIA's frame generation works, I could tell the principle of their generation, but the generated frames give a smoother picture with fake frames and give higher productivity and high fps does lsfg finish rendering frames using a view card or processor ? because nvidia most likely generates frames at the expense of CUDA cores

[worthy monolith]

it would be good if LS and lsfg worked directly with the video card, took information from it, and for some reason LS has a greater bias towards the processor than the video card

[mortal brook]

They already do work with the video card also having a bias towards the processor would be stupid

LS and LSFG require a lot of computation which can also be paralelized CPU suck at that

GPUs are supposed to do math crunch numbers especially operations that can be done in parallel

anyway it uses CPU evenly on all cores already from what hwinfo tells me

[worthy monolith]

the only disadvantage of LS is that in order for it to work correctly, it needs to specify an energy saving parameter in Windows in the graphics settings, that is, on the processor, this is inconvenient

[worthy monolith]

without this action, LS will not work correctly, but I would like the opportunity for it to work correctly in high performance mode, that is, the main video card

of course, I do not require all this, but a paid and promising product should work stably for the average user

The only competitor of LS is Magpie, which is distributed from the Japanese on a free basis

[mortal brook]

it is a bug with hybrid systems, it'll most likely get fixed i have no issues with this myself with only a dGPU

[worthy monolith]

I see LS as a promising product, I decided to buy it after free use, and when LSFG came out, this news was spread everywhere, which attracted more attention to LS

[worthy monolith]

if a developer polishes his software, then he has every chance to become a good player in the software market

[worthy monolith]

Do you have any information about when LFSG will start working normally on monitors with a frequency of 60 Hertz at 70+100 fps and without interface flickering?

[mortal brook]

Nope no idea i'm just a normal user

[worthy monolith]

is there an opportunity for the developer to make a fake ray tracing?

[azure dagger]

there is no way for that due to that requires game data

reshade mods can do that because they attach to pipleines for info, use them

[worthy monolith]

reshade is banned in many online projects

[mortal brook]

Well it's simple as that then it cant be done

[worthy monolith]

is it possible to track the location of the light in the frame without touching the conveyor?

[mortal brook]

Raytracing cannot be done on Screen Space color pixel information it needs ingame data

Nope no chance

LS has no aceess at anything besides pixel color information

[azure dagger]

exactly

[mortal brook]

you cant tell from pixel color information alone what is a light source what is a ray

you dont know where objects are

you just cant

not to mention material properties

[worthy monolith]

interesting and complex information, it turns out that the marketers have won

[mortal brook]

at most you can do some fancy edge detection and pattern recognition to isolate some objects but again you dont know where is the light source and material information

therefore ray tracing is impossible without in-engine integration

or without hooking like reshade does

[worthy monolith]

and is there a way to cheat the upscaling system by the type of craftsmen who open the DLSS function in single-player games?

[azure dagger]

wouldn't say that because raytracing and path tracing were always there, just previously the hardware wasn't powerful enough for that in real time

[mortal brook]

There literally were server farms just to render a frame of a single movie in damn hours

[azure dagger]

now that the power is here it was the next logical step in the evolution

[mortal brook]

Now it can be done in real time

by a single laptop gpu

[azure dagger]

I work for Chaos and can confirm that 😄

[worthy monolith]

Are you from China?

[azure dagger]

Vantage can now do amazing job and we collaborated with ngreedia to add dlss 3.5 to it

[azure dagger]

use DeepL to translate

[worthy monolith]

I use vencord for translation

[mortal brook]

again DLSS requires motion vectors from ingame data LS doesnt have access and LS will never have because it's general purpose software with maximum compatibility that will never resort to hardware specific and also will always stay like this without injecting itself in a game or modifying game files so no cheats here
LS already uses for LS1 some sort of neural network for it's upscaling but it's purely spatial, it's not temporal like DLSS is

[azure dagger]

never heard of that but I guarantee that DeepL does an amazing job and supports chinese

[worthy monolith]

vencord is a plugin for DS, there is a translator plugin, and many other useful functions

I'm using the translator only to convey my thoughts to you correctly

[azure dagger]

I still prefer DeepL, it is a translator with machine learning that translates with an amazing quality, been using it since 2018. You can download it as an app or use it from their website but as an app you just mark the text, hit Ctrl+ Double C and it automatically copies the text, opens the app, recognized the lang, and translates it

[worthy monolith]

I know about DeepL, ChatGPT 3.5 translates well too\ there is a PC version of ChatGPT on github

[worthy monolith]

by the way, I have a bachelor's degree in programming by education, but I cannot study programming languages, because if I study programming languages, then I do not know what to do

yes, it is a pity that it is impossible to implement a lot without invading the game files

by the way, fake HDR works a little strangely, it turns the tones of the game into a dark gridient

[rapid hamlet]

This purely wrong perceiption, the setting in Windows Graphic is to let LS capture the game image where it display (because your laptop case dgpu to process game, but displaying game to integrated screen using igpu). You can choose inside LS which GPU to process

[worthy monolith]

my brain is buzzing with information

[worthy monolith]

It is not clear why this is so, because the laptop actually has two video cards, one integrated and one main, which prevents you from taking information from the main video card information as even in the game the main video card is used

Okay, the main thing is that LS should work without buggy lags and delays.

thank you for your help and information

[rapid hamlet]

Imaging this
Desktop PC (HDMI out from VGA/dGPU): Game => dGPU processing => dGPU displaying out to Monitor
Laptop (Screen attached to Mainboard/iGPU but you choose dGPU in Windows Graphic for processing): Game => dGPU processing => iGPU displaying out to Integrated Screen

And with LS you need input (capture game frame/image) => LS processing => LS output (re-rendering/re-displaying)

[worthy monolith]

You can explain it in a simpler way: the program processes the image with the help of integrated graphics, as it has an Intel chip installed, and with its help through the drivers you can change the color correction of the monitor and thus connect it to the screen

[rapid hamlet]

And it will be this:
Desktop PC: Game => dGPU processing => dGPU displaying out => LS capturing dGPU displaying => LS processing using what GPU you choose inside LS app => LS redisplaying from where it capture

Laptop: Game => dGPU processing => iGPU đisplaying out => LS capturing displaying out => LS processing by whatever gpu you choose => LS ređisplaying

So to make LS work correctly you should choose where the output đisplay, if wrong it might work unstable or not working at all

[worthy monolith]

don't work so hard

[rapid hamlet]

The most heavy part is image processing which you inside LS app to let igpu or dgpu do it

[worthy monolith]

Right now my brain is overloaded and I can't take in heavy information.

[rapid hamlet]

Lol

Ok read it slowly

Just read the Laptop case which is your case

[worthy monolith]

it's not about reading, it's about realizing

reading it is one thing, but recognizing it is another, I need to work on it myself to understand.

I don't have a projection of what I can associate it with.

[lavish leaf]

When i fix the igpu trick my performance decreases a lot in ls

In 2.5.1 it was working for me without the igpu graphic trick

[worthy monolith]

Performance degradation with DXGI and WGC capture method\2.6.0.5 beta

Performance drops in games with DXGI and GDI capture methods, is there any way to fix this ?

[covert breach]

No. But if it is visually smooth it is ok.

[worthy monolith]

In general, the conclusion is that in API DXGI\GDI FPS is not stable 30-40 frames, instead of stable 60, in WGC FPS stable exactly 60 frames, maybe more. Upskelling AMD FSR with API , works krane heavy and not productive, which entails a decrease in performance in games.

[covert breach]

Dont use gdi except for older games.
Dxgi should tax less performances than wgc. It is what happens in the game I play.

[worthy monolith]

I'm testing it all out on Wolfenstein The New Order.

Maybe in other games the API works much better

[covert breach]

Frame Generation should bring visual smooth, no matter the performance of the game. But better to use dxgi.

[worthy monolith]

I don't use Frame Generation because it's still raw and it has a twitchy interface

and I have a 60 Hertz monitor in my laptop.

[covert breach]

Hummm... Are you talking about the lsfg ? If so, which interface are you talking about ?

[worthy monolith]

the interface in the game jerks when using lsfg

[azure dagger]

he means that on 30fps the ghosting and artifacts are more noticeable

and beacuse he is with 60hz monitor that is not a viable option for him

[covert breach]

Ah ok

I understand

[worthy monolith]

halos and artefacts are noticed at more than 60 FPS

[azure dagger]

yes, but less prominent

due to that the recommended when you put your mouse cursor over LSFG is 60 fps

[worthy monolith]

very noticeable, artefacts are not really visible if you play from 3rd person.

[azure dagger]

tried both 3rd and 1st person games with lsfg

the only one that had more noticeable issues for me was AC: Valhalla due to having lots of UI around the edges where the issue are more noticeable

otherwise it was slight enough to not cause annoyance for me

played with 72FPS cap for 144Hz setup

[worthy monolith]

It's much more annoying in 1st person because I play 1st person shooters most of the time.then this is not a problem for you since you have a high hertz monitor.

[azure dagger]

depends on the game, some have these more and some have this less

the ones I played with lsfg did not had too much of an issue

[worthy monolith]

without exception all games with first person LFSG and which have an aiming device in the middle and when you run or turn the mouse sharply, cause artevacs in the form of twitching of the aim or halos.

[azure dagger]

well, for me not all of the games experience the crosshair ghosting, some have it slight, some have it bigger

for example in hunt the ghosting is slight n the crosshair

[worthy monolith]

halos make it impossible to aim properly in online games.

[azure dagger]

no idea what you mean by eagles

if using translator- try a better one

[worthy monolith]

I meant halos.