#Fsr3 in Lossless

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empty drift
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Use FSR3 in every game with LossLess

tepid raven
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FSR3 is Engine Based I think

ivory summit
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Yeah, it can’t use FSR 3. LSFG is pretty good though and will get better!

empty drift
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It can't? But there're the fsr3 mod and with it you can use fsr3 in more games, they can't put fsr 3 applied directly on the screen? Sorry if it's a stupid question

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I tried fsr 3 and with the proper config it can be much better than lsfg, I know that lsfg will improve but for now I tried a lot of games with fsr 3 and I have more fluently and less latency

arctic finch
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It only works in games with dlss

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Not sure if it's 2 or 3

empty drift
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I use it in rdr2

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And it has dlss2

arctic finch
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That make sense then

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Probs both I would say

empty drift
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But fsr3 mod in it starts only has worked in games with dlss3

arctic finch
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🤷‍♂️

empty drift
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I think that doesn't matter if the game has dlss

arctic finch
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Yes it does

empty drift
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You think?

arctic finch
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Lossless scaling would use fsr 3 if so

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And they officially say it requires dlss

empty drift
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I thought that afmf is a fsr3 adaptation, I think that it's posible to activate fsr3 in your fully screen

arctic finch
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They are separate things

empty drift
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They are but them both are from amd

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They have to has a similar code

arctic finch
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Afmf can be enabled in any directx11 or 12 game I believe

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Amd fsr 3 has it's own fg

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Afmf is the one that can be used on quite a few games

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But limited to 6000 and 7000 cards

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They might use the same algorithm but idk

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So not any device can just use afmf as per the moment

empty drift
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Afmf is a fsr3 adaptation for all the games, cuz that is cause afmf reduces the frame rate, in fsr3 it doesn't happen cuz fsr3 is adapted for the game internally

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Afmf is the same thing but without the adaptation for the games

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It's just free to use wherever you want

arctic finch
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Yes but limited to 6000 and 7000 and cards

empty drift
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And im sorry if you can't read this, I'm bad at English

empty drift
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By the other side I think that fsr3 can be unlimited

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And use it like afmf but in every card

arctic finch
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No amd fsr can nit

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Games would need to add that themselves

empty drift
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The AMD GPUs doesn't have good ai dedicated cores like Nvidia, the GPUs doesn't have any feature that can made afmf exclusive for amd

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So i think fsr3 is just a limited version of afmf

arctic finch
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Fsr 3 can not be Implemented in lss

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It requires access to the actual environment in game

empty drift
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Is imposible to disable that option or maybe create a general preset?

arctic finch
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? What option

empty drift
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Sorry the wrong word

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Just take the second thing that I've said

arctic finch
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Sorry I'm still confused about the question

empty drift
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A present for all the games that works with a general parameters that are repeated in a lot of games

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Afmf does that

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It doesn't take parameters of the game

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It just has a general present

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Preset

arctic finch
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As in how it doesn't require access to the game itself?

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I am not familiar with the usage of afmf itself

empty drift
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I think it just take the information of the movement of the objects in the game when it runs in real time, doing that it creates frames interpolated predicting how will be the next frame

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In all the games runs at the same

arctic finch
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Ah right ok

empty drift
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And it has very good results

arctic finch
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Yeah well yes

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It's a massive company and they have the resources to do this

empty drift
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It is

arctic finch
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But it seems to be limited to dx11 and 12 games

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As they stated

languid cosmos
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fsr 3 needs to be modded ingame or be implemented into the game by the devs, fsr 3 cant be integrated in lossless scaling because fsr 3 needs ingame data

empty drift
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But I think that fsr3 is the same thing but with different parameters

arctic finch
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It is not

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They are 2 separate things

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As I have said

empty drift
arctic finch
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Lossless scaling does not grab in game data

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And it would be added if it could

languid cosmos
empty drift
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It's so complex, I hope that afmd gets free code

languid cosmos
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maybe its possible to create something similar to afmf and lsfg by using fsr 3 code but it will just turn out the same as afmf in the end

empty drift
languid cosmos
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lsfg works on all too

arctic finch
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And may have a specific reason for it limiting it to

empty drift
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It does, but I tried the two of them with the proper config and the performance is much better in fsr

languid cosmos
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fsr 3?

arctic finch
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Well of course

empty drift
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Yes

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It is

arctic finch
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Yeah mb

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It will always be better

languid cosmos
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well yea that makes sense

arctic finch
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Use it if you can

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Lss is made for games without it

languid cosmos
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also fsr 3 doesn't show the fps hit when using it unlike afmf and lsfg

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so you cant really tell how much perf hit it has

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maybe there is a tool for it idk

empty drift
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I think that changing the fsr3 code and implementing things of lsfg they could create a afmf in lossless

arctic finch
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Well we don't know

empty drift
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Sorry is my texts are Illegible

arctic finch
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No it's fine

languid cosmos
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honestly lsfg is better than afmf, only thing afmf does better is UI handling

empty drift
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I'm not English native

languid cosmos
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nah its fine

arctic finch
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We still get what you are saying

empty drift
arctic finch
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I would say amd uses dedicated things on those cards

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But just my guess

languid cosmos
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i guess its what you prefer but lsfg is much better suited for what I like

empty drift
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And afmf uses a less percentage of your gpu

languid cosmos
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afmf turns off when there is movement on the screen, it has a higher input latency and is a bit buggy at times but lsfg also has issues but not as much

languid cosmos
arctic finch
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Is that still a thing

languid cosmos
arctic finch
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Yeah

languid cosmos
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yeah, they didn't do anything about it

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really stupid imo

arctic finch
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Right

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It's coming to stable soon to right?

languid cosmos
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yea but its probably gonna be the same as the current drivers

arctic finch
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Right kk

languid cosmos
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maybe they will add something

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who knows

empty drift
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The thing is that afmf will improve incredibly fast cuz it's from amd

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And now.the demand is high cuz and is from now available In AMD apus

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And for now afmf has less stuttering

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I believe that the lossless scaling fg will improve but it won't do it at the same speed

arctic finch
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amd also has the advantage of being at driver level

languid cosmos
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maybe

tribal flax
# empty drift They have to has a similar code

1st- LS is not using afmf
2nd- FSR3 and afmf are separate things, FSR3 is just based on afmf
3rd- AMD posted publicly only the FSR3 code, afmf is still behind closed doors
4tth- FSR3/DLSS require temporal data and to have access to that data, they need to be integrated inside the game engine itself, which could be done only with modding the game

empty drift
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Sorry I was trying to find a logic way for it work but I have no idea

tribal flax
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no worries, that is why I explained everything above in steps

empty drift
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I only have to wait if someday Nvidia makes a thing like afmf or if afmf comes to Nvidia too

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That won't happen

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Probably

tribal flax
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Only time will tell

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meanwhile ths is experimenting to provide even better quality and compatibility with LS, so we migh not have to wait for solution from nvidia 😄

empty drift
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One more thing

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If I have a rtx 3070ti and I want to upgrade to a better and GPU which one I should buy?

lunar cape
tribal flax
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At the moment- use the FG mods wherever possible, use LS for the other things, and wait. This year we should see the next generations of Nvidia and intel for sure, also, there is the rumor that AMD will also show their next one

near otter
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Lossless is great for the rog ally because the rog ally is the target spec (1080p, 120hz, etc) however the moment you run lossless on higher end setups and refresh rates and resolutions. Well. Simply do not do that. Otherwise you're going to be playing with this trash configuration that says 120 in the corner but produces something close to a hookers ashtray in terms of frametimes.

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In terms of fsr 3 being universal, thats a good idea, because people are hooking into fSR 2 and making it FSR 3. Meaning you can apply it to general games on some level.

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sure the interface falls apart, but its still a hell of a lot better experience than lossless, plus it can handle high resolutions and any framerate.

empty drift
finite narwhal
# empty drift Amd*

3070ti is powerful enough for now. No point un upgrading. There are no midrange options to choose from. But if you have the cash, you could go for the 7900XT or the 7900XTX. Any other gpu and you barely see any performance improvements

If you can find second hand 6900 XT for cheap that can also be a viable option. Otherwise you can wait for the 400-600$ 8000 series gpu

tiny cosmos
empty drift
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In the case in I'll upgrade I would buy a amd card cuz it has afmf

tiny cosmos
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I would look at some reviews first as performance wise afmf it seems very similar to LSFG. The full release driver is out now so some should start appearing. In game frame generation (FSR 3, DLSS 3) is going to be better when you can get it.
So you can kind of level the GPU playing field on things like upscaling & FG, but Nvidia still tend to win at higher end Ray/Path tracing.

empty drift
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I can't notice about the ray tracing in almost all the games

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Only in cyberpunk and alan wake maybe

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But the performance loss is a lot

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And the games still look good without ray tracing

tiny cosmos
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Yea there are kind of three cases I think (and many in-between). No point in paying the Nvidia premium if you don't want the Rays.
1 - I want FPS and Low Latency and don't care about aesthetics
2 - I wang good aesthetics (run on High+) and good FPS
3 - I want all the pretty things! HDR, Rays, 4K+ at an acceptable FPS

empty drift
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The thing is that with amd now you can have a better performance without spending the same money as Nvidia, amd rn for less money can get the double of the fps that gets an Nvidia GPU with the same price, not only for the power of the GPUs, its also the afmf

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And sorry for my trash english

tiny cosmos
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Yes AMD have levelled the playing field but that will work on your 3070 Ti. Aside from the AFMF type things that are baked into the drivers, and Lossless Scaling kind of gives you that anyhow. Hence, upgrade wise I think you need to make quite a big jump to get any step change level of improvement. Though, you might consider a slightly better card with 16Gb vRam would be a good investment if games you play are being held back.

empty drift
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I should wait I think