Unfair loops that I have encountered so far!

[topaz token]

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1. This loop is really strong and magician can't do much about it, also it can be chained with a hole in the wall. Can we, at least, keep only one side between statues open?

2. Is straight up unfair place where they can pass with minimum effort and it's always getting abused, I am thinking that it can even be a bug.

[safe grove]

this is one of the loops where you can absolutely catch them, just stutter step in invis or use an impostor

[safe grove]

there should definitely be a collision there tho

[covert fable]

yeah seems they messsed this one up curtains meant to block them :'/

[topaz token]

With SWF it's a waist of resources.

So basically the best option is to place an impostor and leave, which also useless since they are working together and will just remove impostor from each other.

[covert fable]

i feel like active imposter should maybe be seperate cd tbh

but right now doesnt really work unless you catch them without ledges and stuff

[topaz token]

There is already a strong jump to the circus center

Why they have more loops to chain there?

And even I abused it, no skill needed, magician can't really catch you without waisting an impostor

And even when he is placing it I just run to the cages and jumping to the middle

So it's not even a success catch, just a complete waist

[covert fable]

@topaz tokenthere is fun spot in circus hall 2 where you hat grab gate above after coming out of closet never knew you could do that there

but then every other spot you try to use grab from below doesnt work

[topaz token]

I know, I am doing it.

I am talking about this two statues.

[topaz token]

U can jump between them and just run to the cages that leads to the middle of a circus area

I did this, this is not hard

[covert fable]

i mean im fine with them removing it circus hall / circus has to many already

circus hall 2 room very troll can use then statues can go back down jump over railing then throguh the window on f1 or use tramp to jump up to ledge kinda crazy how many spot are close by

[topaz token]

I also reported the cage piles that they are straight up abusing with jumping gear

Why by buying a gear u are guaranted a 99% safe area from magician by pressing E ?

One of the cages are to high to your hat grab can't aim at it's top

U are forced to drop chaises a lot and they can jump down and keep doing what they were doing.

[covert fable]

yeah i agree with that they should block them off or if there meant to be used fix hat grab

[topaz token]

They still have plenty of items to carry them on.

[covert fable]

but probably remove it tbh very easy for them to dodge on top even when its working

[topaz token]

Even areas like Circus floor 1 hole can be countered

In floor 2 you can jump between statues and then just run away to another loop that reqire magician to use a hat grab and aim it right

Bunny just have to use space and don't lose vision of magician, magician can't catch on bunny becaue there is two holes between the statues

[safe grove]

why specifically a swf?
solos and swfs in this game are almost on the same level, theres a miniscule difference

[safe grove]

if another bunny is there to remove the impostor you can grab either of them while they do that

[topaz token]

Really big gap, they are not the same, the amount of coordination is crazy.

[safe grove]

invis

[safe grove]

you can coordinate just as well as a solo

theres almost no difference

[topaz token]

He can run to cages, jump on them and move to middle

[safe grove]

the communication tools in this game are great

[safe grove]

thats an exploit, im talking about the hole loop you showed

[topaz token]

Cages that in circus

Forced to launch game to prove the point

[safe grove]

yeah thats a cage problem not a loop problem

cages just need collisions that push bunnies off

[topaz token]

I am on my way

[topaz token]

Yes, you can use inv. to push him back away from the cages side, however he can just run back downstairs, and let's not forget that he has items

And u have to tap to move without a sound

[grave wolf]

Loops should be closable without the need for abilities

[topaz token]

So what should I do here?

Waist my resources or leave and wait when they just trigget my impostor and remove in from each other?

He can just jump down and use trampouline or go down to the window area

Nothing you can really do

And this is just ONE bunny, ONE

While others doing objectives to

To win in this situation the bunny should not have any items.

The only thing that saves me here, usually is that they are still, somehow, missing their rockets or missing their jump between the statues

That is it

My favourite thing so far

And this

On this cage magi can't get you just because it's too high

That's why I am playing maigican, honestly, you don't need any skill to play on bunny and win, just because items, crazy loops and places where you can't be grabbed.

When bunnies not in this areas, they use rockets, marbles and bicycles, when they are there they laching to this places and never leave.

[safe grove]

invis to counter the loop then active impostor if they go to circus center

[safe grove]

tbh i disagree

[safe grove]

if they go downstairs you win tho? like thats your goal, prevent them from coming up

[covert fable]

@topaz tokenbtw how do you deal with coaster room i find some loops there are very annoying as mag

[topaz token]

I don't chase them there

[covert fable]

yeah it bs

[topaz token]

Unratinal waist of resources

[covert fable]

got luckly here

but also i love to see coaster bug is back

[topaz token]

They can't progress much there

all reas are grabable

[topaz token]

U can grab him from here and to the end

btw

[topaz token]

Now I just spam LCM

[covert fable]

this bugg is back aswell

[topaz token]

Not even looting for keys

[covert fable]

hanging onto back of cart

yeah btw what is up with keys

some matches i start with 3 some with 0

very wierd

[safe grove]

your abilities are there to catch bunnies, so why not use them to catch bunnies?

[covert fable]

yeah was my bad was wrong video i chased guy after he marble me and got him with the active imposter

but was very annoying to do as they jump around small area you cant enter ill just leave next time

[topaz token]

Ur goal is to win in this game, catching bunnies does not mean winning

Ur resources are limmited and they have a lot things to waist without faicing a punisgment.

[safe grove]

i am aware, but you seem to be trying to catch them, or did I misinterpret?
the "correct" play when a bunny is in a rough spot is to ignore them and patrol objectives anyways, so these harder loops wouldnt matter in that context anyways

[topaz token]

What is your MMR?

I have really small window to breath, it's always tuff

[safe grove]

2,402

[bleak hawk]

So to give my opinion on looping. It should be like Dead By Daylight.
Pallets in dead by daylight are considered a survivor resource and the killer in Dead By Daylight can always out run a survivor even without their power.

There are cases where a survivor who can make good loops can stay ahead of the killer a little bit but the point is that a killer who knows how to loop will always catch up to the survivor without using any of their abilities or powers.

The killer shouldn't need to expend their resources to catch a survivor the survivor should be the one who has to expand a resource in order to escape the killer. The killer expending resources should make the chase easier. not be a requirement in order to even end chase.

[safe grove]

In dbd the killer also expends resources (their power) to catch survivors, both sides need to use what they have at their disposal
Making loops so unsafe that mag can always catch a bunny not using any items without using his abilities isnt a great idea imo

[covert fable]

@safe grovedbdl is bad example imo some use resources yes. but most new killer bypass the pallets or window or other mechanics

but i get your idea

[safe grove]

yeah but they still need to use their power to do that (which in that case is their resource), no?

[bleak hawk]

I explained that killers don't have to use their power to catch survivors in Dead by Daylight.

If a killer was good and looping and wanted to tunnel someone out of the game and never used anything but their primary attack they could do it.
They would most likely lose the game to the other survivors but they killer would at least catch the single survivor and kill them.

Killers slightly run faster then survivors in dead by daylight. The key to outrunning killer is being good at chaining loops and hugging them tight while keeping distance from the killer.

You could do nothing but M1 and get a kill

[grave wolf]

If a killer is unable to catch a bunny without using their powers, thats a problem

[covert fable]

i sitll think doc is right tbh like if the loop is very short shouldnt be wasting resources to catch them

the statue he posted in circus hall 2 is prime example

shouldnt need your power there

also this isnt dbdl the cd are long

using imposter for that is very bad

need them for other more important things

[safe grove]

See i dont think you can
As surv just get them to a strong loop and if you win mindgames you can run them for basically the enitre match by reaetting bloodlust by losing chase or making them break pallets
You use your resources to counter their resources and whoever uses their resources better wins
Sure, you can spend all your resources at once but will be lacking them later

[covert fable]

@safe grovei mean depends on what pallet

but ill defo agree m1 only is super rough

as there more then just looping can sac a health state while looping and then do exactly as you said