cages going from 4th all the way down to 1st

[foggy depot]

i feel like this is a HUGE punishment for being found. its pretty soul-crushing to have to do everything again from the first floor, especially if your team isn't helping with objectives/putting rope up. i would suggest maybe it sends you 2 floors down, rather than the full 4 floors, as losing a health state, time to progress the game because you are caged, and the progression you've already lost is too much to come back from, especially half way/close to the end of a match, as Magi will have had enough time to set up ticketmasters/bunnytraps etc. on the upper floors. OR maybe adding another contraption that sends you to 1st and traps you, but takes Magi more time to put you in/make it work. i know rope is a thing, but rope is extremely rare. i barely ever find rope in my games, let alone radars and oil. speaking as a solo queue bunny who is constantly looking for lockpicks and looting chests (ik 4 mans/constant comms are OP, pls dont shout at me, im just expressing my opinion on le matter )

[calm fulcrum]

It's the point that you get more value out of them instead of throwing the bunnies down

Imagine they do the thing you said. What the community will do is ignore the cages completly and throw you down

[foggy depot]

you still get value by trapping them so they cant progress the game for a certain amount of time

maybe increase that to make up for it

i just think 4th to 1st is a huge punishment and a complete game changer for solo queue players

there's not a lot of comeback unless everyone has been up to speed with ropes

which are really rare to find

[calm fulcrum]

Thats the point work as a team. You got proximity, pings and even text chat

[foggy depot]

okay but what about teammates who dont speak your language?

cos ive been asking for rope pings

and nobody is responding

[calm fulcrum]

Maybe there is none

[foggy depot]

fair but u get my point, right?

its hard to come back from late-game

even mid-game

[fickle fulcrum]

you can also trap cages, i never see anyone use them

[foggy depot]

(speaking as a solo queue player)

[foggy depot]

oh i didnt know this!

[fickle fulcrum]

it makes the magi drop you, you get panic, you wont lose gear, magi will get stunned, and you get a lot of points too

[calm fulcrum]

Radar -> search for hat
Trap cages with the mouse trap
Try to be stealthy (no running!)

[foggy depot]

interesting - do you need a specific thing to trap them?

[fickle fulcrum]

cage trap yes they are pretty common

[foggy depot]

radars/oil/rope are very hard to find

i look for lockpicks all game, like, im lucky to get a radar

[foggy depot]

wicked, thank you for this!

idk if its common knowledge. maybe thats why people arent using them much

[fickle fulcrum]

cages were useless before patch

[calm fulcrum]

Jack
Minigame
Body
Go into a mid-game MMR or high MMR and you are having a really bad time as a magician with how much players can get oil and rockets. Even solo queue

[foggy depot]

but in solo queue, if nobody is doing anything, all of that is futile to do

bc ur not getting out either way

we're going on a tangent tho, i feel. the spread of items isnt very good, unless u waste time using Jack

or the minigame, which in solo, u dont really have time to do

[calm fulcrum]

I escape solo sometimes so idk I know other people that can do it too. Thats not an argument/excuse for me imo

[foggy depot]

nono, i escape sometimes too, but realisitically, im dying way more than im even seeing 3rd

[calm fulcrum]

You have time takes like 10 seconds maximum. Hitbox there is genourous

[calm fulcrum]

I see more 4th floor exit or hat

[foggy depot]

i havent even seen the lost hat yet bc magi gets there before me every time hahaha

not a complaint tho, its just part of the game

[calm fulcrum]

This alpha it's a beacon of light haha

[foggy depot]

idk, maybe im just overthinking it, but i just feel its a done game when im stuck in a cage at 10 mins left, from 4th with no comms

im hoping my friends will buy it soon

and maybe my opinion will change

but solo is ROUGH

[calm fulcrum]

It is a team player based game after all we have a channel #1355630701294256278 which you can ping people and hop into a vc with

[shy forge]

@foggy depot Yeah it feels very frustrating, I can understand you. The RNG is very deciding about this situation. If you have enough ropes on the map, you can get up quickly and than it's not a big problem. But if not, it takes very long to get up. The problem is, it consumes many energy to get out of the cage. And if nobody is on 1st floor, it's hard for you to get charged. Of course you can pick up candy and go to Jack, but often there is no time to do this. Before the update the cages were useless, and it's a good direction with the idea of Le Box. Maybe it shouldn't be take so many charge to get out of the cage and it should be done faster.

[foggy depot]

i understand the need for the cages, dont get me wrong. teams that load in together are very efficient and there needs to be a slowdown function other than just throwing people down - its just really hard to come back from with no charge, no ropes, no teamwork in solo queue and all that lost time trying to escape the cage and making your way back up from 1st. i understand its a team game but not everyone is a team player, unfortunately. if it was a faster escape from the cages, and less charge taken, that would be better than losing the charge it takes to escape, progress bc its sent you back to 1st, time to break free from the cage, and a health state

[shy forge]

I think the same way like you.
And yes, the game will be very hard and frustrating for SoloQueue

[junior tusk]

Cages being strong is the point of them... otherwise they have no purpose, because you can always just thrown down from 4 to 1. If I can just throw down from 4 to 1, why would I risk caging if theres no advantage? Going all the way from 4 to 1 is nothing new and the reason why ropes exist.

[foggy depot]

well this is why i suggested making the time you're stuck in cages longer so there is a reason still, as it would stall the game somewhat

so rather than going back to 1, you go to 2, and get trapped for an extra minute, with a little less change being taken

[foggy depot]

but if nobody is finding rope, or they're finding it and not putting it down, its a gg

there's no way to come back from it

and not everyone works as a team, as we've found out through the alphas

so if its just you, ur team are on 3, going 4 and havent put rope down, ur scuffed. u can go for hat but its a slim chance u find it before Magi

it really heavily relies on ur team working as a team

and not everyone is

[junior tusk]

I agree with you, not everyone is working as a team, but I feel like balancing around the team side (bunnys) of an asymm around not playing as a team is whack

If the team side is not playing as a team, then they are playing poorly imo

[foggy depot]

im not asking for balance, its just the cages. i can try and come back from being chucked

but i cant if i spend 3 minutes escaping

leaving me with barely any charge in late game

while my team are escaping 3rd

just, something to make it less of a blow for solo

[junior tusk]

Its ok, I get you

[foggy depot]

bc its happened at least twice to me now

ive died to no charge bc team are too far up

and Jack isnt active, no charge to climb even if there was rope

[junior tusk]

Thats rough. We'll see what happens, but I feel like I spend enough time and energy on this post.

[foggy depot]

understandable. thanks for your input!

have a great day