Regional pricing unfair

[forest hornet]

But for now, we must sit quietly and peacefully for a couple of days for sure

should not must*

[urban plover]

[echo lodge]

[marble cairn]

there are more people who cant afford the game than there are people who experience bugs

confusing

if its good or not

[echo lodge]

very confusing

changing the price shouldnt be that hard

i hope they gonna update the prices asap

[marble cairn]

[marble cairn]

hows the rebellion doin? :p

waiting for the better times

lol same

im workin for better times

studying specifically

so I can pay full price in future without discussing if its fair or not

i thought you were talking about regional prices situation))

just generally

i want to come to a point where these stuff dont affect me

[marble cairn]

trying to learn orbital mechanics

[mortal grove]

planning on writing a steam review

i hope this thread wont die because of lack of updates

[marble cairn]

i would just not buy the game in that case

keep playing the one squad developed

which is already solid as a rock

[marble cairn]

they said they werent planning to

they said we'd get updates

we'll wait and see

[mortal grove]

i mean that this thread is already empty after two days because there is nothing new to discuss

[marble cairn]

if we can be a part of the community or not

[marble cairn]

this thread is just for waiting for news right now

[mortal grove]

but as always no info on time

[marble cairn]

its okay that no one talks right now

[mortal grove]

i hope it wont take long

[marble cairn]

well im not so concerned as we already have a solid KSP 1

it would be their loss rather than ours

[mortal grove]

by the way one of the devs said that the first patch wont come this week, but wont take too long either

i hate these vague time frames

[marble cairn]

same game anyway

yeah me too but what can ya do

[mortal grove]

like what is “not too long”

[marble cairn]

its corpo chess

we just wait

[hard kestrel]

No plans to let this thread die. We know there is a need for an answer. Timeline on that answer? That's a good question that I don't think anyone can answer.

[marble cairn]

yea I agree its not that easy too

[mortal grove]

but i think because they take time the first patch will fix more bugs than a first-day patch or any other patch developed in a few days

i hope at least

still it may probably come after the 2 week refund time lol

[marble cairn]

[forest hornet]

At steam community i read about 2 weeks before patch

Or something about it

[quaint jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/734674740484112415/1079459594075652116/IMG_4417.png?width=826&height=604

[marble cairn]

Whos excited to go back to KSP1 tho

i personally am

didnt start yet

its been a long while

[mortal grove]

i will get eventually

i still have an unfinished mission

[echo lodge]

im using steven's tufx and recommended mods in ksp1

it looks 10x better than ksp2

[mortal grove]

but i wont have time unfortunately next few days

[echo lodge]

it looks like that with stevens recommends

still perform better than ksp2

but ksp2 has very good future i think thats why we need regional pricing

[echo lodge]

a lot of graphic mods

9-10

20-30 fps and visual is really close to that in atmosphere

still better than ksp2

[fickle fjord]

BDB?

[echo lodge]

yea

[kind sphinx]

I like the realistic gas expansion on engines, procedurally generated wings, new engines and fuel, new UI (its better than KSP1 in every way), new Sounds, new Maneveur Nodes, new Launch Site(s) and Runway(s). Overall good improvements and textures. It has a lot mean A LOT of Bugs and game breaking things. Matt Lowne has to quick load 20 Times to land on Mun (likr bruuuhh). Aside all of that, I believe Devs will fix the bugs and add new features in the near future. But that doesn't mean they should released a game that not even has basic features from KSP1 and depends on your change if the roket will explode, landing gears will bug, roket will teleport to you, I don't even mention the horror of not passing the first stage of loading the game. Yes bugs are normal in games and especially in EA but after 3+ years on development and as a result there is 700+ combined bug reports from #1078721867956879400 and official forum. They even opened EA with astronomically absurt price.

[forest hornet]

Maneuver nodes changed?

[proud beacon]

Just me getting more FPS with high settings than with low?

[kind sphinx]

They changed textures, added new features like crash point, gravity enter and exit points (not sure they all come with maneuver nodes), they improved burn time calculation, auto time x1 when near crash point or node

[forest hornet]

Gravity enter and exit was at ksp 1, crash point sound fun

[kind sphinx]

KSP 1 has that but in KSP 2 they improved and added more visual indicators

[forest hornet]

Okk

[echo lodge]

yeah a lot of good features

but a lot of bugs, performance issues too

this game doesnt deserve 50$ in current point

and most of the countries 1/5 of the minimum wage

[oak token]

Тоже офигиваю, 950 турецких лир… говорят это региональная цена💀💀💀

[forest hornet]

English

[strange crystal]

I’m also freaking out, 950 Turkish liras… they say this is a regional price💀💀💀 (translated)

[oak token]

I'm shocked too, 950 Turkish lira... They also say that this is the regional price..💀💀💀

[oak token]

Thx

[strange crystal]

No problem

[urban plover]

I have not seen any official statements about regional prices. In all the sources that I saw, they just talked about the price of $ 50 without any explanation on pricing in the regions.

At the moment, under an agreement with the local administration, we, calmly observing the rules and not dispersing the storm, are sitting and waiting for price news from the official representatives of the developers / publisher.

[oak token]

In the pinned messages #ksp2_general, they removed the message where they wrote that regional prices would be on the release. (Sorry for my bad English, I used translator)

[forest hornet]

At least for now we were promised for an answer to this thread(check pinned)

[urban plover]

Classic corporate behavior. Because of such moments at the moment we are sitting in anticipation of a "new" official decision on prices.

[urban plover]

For myself, I set a waiting period for a decision - a week.
Then, if prices fall to adequate values, I go and buy, or if there is no news and / or prices do not change, I forget about ksp2 for a long time until some kind of major sale (but most likely due to the constant release of something new - forever)

[forest hornet]

Mine period is about 2 weeks

Cause for now they also have big problems with development side

[urban plover]

Good argument. I'll probably increase the limit too.

[echo lodge]

dude 950 turkish lira is 51-52$

yeah its regional

but more expensive

im gonna wait until my birthday. Almost 2 weeks

lets see if they are gonna do something about that or not

[urban plover]

The work week has begun

[marble cairn]

hahahahah

lol

true

please update and send it daily

[mortal grove]

🚨big ksp regional price news this week🚨

[marble cairn]

lol we wish

[urban plover]

I will try to make updates.

[marble cairn]

This message made me rethink my life.

[mortal grove]

?

[real viper]

Did they not update regional pricing in some areas?

[forest hornet]

Mexica

Don't remember anything else

[mortal grove]

only in mexico 2 days ago

[jovial turtle]

only in mexico 💀💀

[marble cairn]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

3 question marks umullinati comfurned???ééé1111!!!!!!!111

[jovial turtle]

big ksp2 news today!!!

i bet it would be not as big when even the performance gets fixed

but i think it would spike 10x once regional prices have been established

and unblocked in russia

[marble cairn]

[oak token]

I think we should put up with the fact that games are being blocked in Russia. At least another year, this political agenda will be present.

[fickle fjord]

That depends on the decisions of the Russian government

[fickle fjord]

That seems optimistic, and is basically guess-work

[fickle fjord]

It'll go up and down with patches, that's not surprising. The 24h peak is still higher.

[jovial turtle]

That's because more people are interested in the game, they see the state the game is in and log off after a few hours, all time peak and 24h peak arent gonna be a good scale for a very hyped up newly released game

[mortal prism]

I think russian can still buy ksp 2 from epic games store, as bad as it is

[fickle fjord]

Afaik t2 has blocked that too

[mortal prism]

rip

[urban plover]

Earlier, somewhere in the topic they wrote that they could not. They seem to only see the game page and the price, but they can’t buy it.
But let's close the topic of access to the game in Russia for now. The situation is complicated and the moderators asked not to discuss politics.

We are waiting for news about regional prices.

[fickle fjord]

Meetings take time

[urban plover]

I know it very well From personal experience, decisions can take weeks.

Yesterday Jonassovich, he created this topic, asked, if possible, to post such pictures with a counter daily

[jovial turtle]

yes theres a buy button but upon clicking buy it was the buy page with big black letters written all over it telling that "the product is currently unavailable in your region ☝️🤓"

||source: im russian||

[forest hornet]

🥹

Why you remind me...

[jovial turtle]

but discussing it being unavailable isnt political, the cause of it being unavailable is political thought and as far as we can go with that one is just mentioning the events

which are unfortunate, don't get me wrong, but this is civilians and possible space exploration future we're talking about that is being blacked out by PR chasing corporate overlords

the games in general being restricted from purchasing in russia by companies is a big topic even of itself honestly and I think it deserves a separate thread like this at the very least for ksp2

[fickle fjord]

In a way it's a bit like that old sketch "don't mention the war"

[jovial turtle]

but I hope that part will be adressed too in dev response since lovla, being the quite the chad they are thank you very much, mentioned it in their big essay

[jovial turtle]

its more of that game where if you think about the game you loose

[fickle fjord]

It's one of the smaller side-effects of the war all things considered, but sure it's an unfortunate one

I mean, people have died or have had to leave their home because of the war, in that regard not being able to buy KSP2 is a tiny side-effect

[marble cairn]

sundhaug just stop it

honestly man

[jovial turtle]

Its not just "smaller side effects" its just unnecessary stuff given that america has fought many wars and game companies werent sanctioning them

[marble cairn]

can we vote someone out of this post?

im tired of this guy

[jovial turtle]

among us voting

[marble cairn]

literal impostor

[jovial turtle]

susy baka

[marble cairn]

sundhaug can you kindly stop participating in this post?

please

[jovial turtle]

"you should leave the post NOW!!!"

[fickle fjord]

No, and I was answering someone

[fleet valve]

huh?

[jovial turtle]

hi lyx

[fickle fjord]

Hi

[marble cairn]

alex takeit from here please

[jovial turtle]

im pretty much done with my point

[marble cairn]

last straw for me was him bringing up people dying from war just to make his point

just to disagree with people and nothing else

[fickle fjord]

I was clarifying my statement

[marble cairn]

And I am clarifying that its messed up

to do it like you do

is a mod checking this situation please?

make a decision please

[fickle fjord]

I'd assume so

[jovial turtle]

he has a point thought, the suffering in the war is nothing compared to not being able to buy games, but then again its just mindless PR chasing without any kindness or support whatsoever, people dying or not

[marble cairn]

also he is bringing that up just to make a point so he can say otherwise without even thinking about it

its so messed up dude

[jovial turtle]

yeah

[fickle fjord]

I wasn't the one to bring it up

[marble cairn]

ok whatever

its not my job anyway

just couldnt take it and wanted to say its messed up

[jovial turtle]

i was just slightly mentioning the events and you went from there, dont put your blame on me

[marble cairn]

alex i just got here, can you take this to a mod?

obviously this guy is gonna keep doing his thing

[fickle fjord]

I didn't mean to blame anyone for it coming up

[marble cairn]

idk about y'all but im tired of him

[jovial turtle]

"I wasnt the one to bring it up" implies theres someone else to blame for bringing it up, besides you were the one to fully bring it up to this discussion

[jovial turtle]

idk too lazy xd

[plain sorrel]

We’re here, getting a higher up to get on it

[marble cairn]

ok thank you

[jovial turtle]

theres someone else beside yall moderating? I thought higher are just devs and PD staff

[fickle fjord]

ty, things seem to be getting out of hand a bit

[fickle fjord]

I'd assume there's someone functioning as an admin or something

[plain sorrel]

There’s two levels of mods, trial mods (Me!) who can only mute and cause warnings, and actual mods (Not me!) who can do bans and mutes

[jovial turtle]

thanks for explaining

[marble cairn]

you could also ask for public opinion if need be

[fickle fjord]

ah, that's a neat way of doing it

[marble cairn]

fyi

[plain sorrel]

Yeah I kinda just need to get a higher up to notice me rq

[fickle fjord]

Yeah dw I think everyone here understands that that can take time (esp making a decision)

[jovial turtle]

but aint maximum punishment for bringing stuff up or causing some argument that was getting heated max a mute? Or do you need a higher up to give a final conclusion

[marble cairn]

let him do his thang

[jovial turtle]

fair

[fickle fjord]

I'd assume the strongest punishment would be a permanent ban, but also that a moderator may at times ask someone higher up what they think

[urban plover]

@fickle fjord if you want to continue the topic of the ban in Russia, then please create YOUR OWN topic or go to ksp2_general

[jovial turtle]

strongest punishment is a permanent ban no matter what, i was talking about specific rulebreaks

[marble cairn]

a million +

[jovial turtle]

i agree but still

[fickle fjord]

I was merely replying to someone else. Anyways, we're done with that.

[jovial turtle]

also took you a while to type this all out lol

[fickle fjord]

eh sometimes people are distracted or on their phone

(or ESL)

[marble cairn]

just make your own post about whatever it is you are trying to talk about. Easiest way.

[jovial turtle]

general discussion post in #1074830191769178212

[kind sphinx]

Even Mods are playin KSP rather than KSP2

[forest hornet]

[jovial turtle]

[river arrow]

[kind sphinx]

[mortal grove]

no spam in the thread please

[marble cairn]

[real viper]

Can you get gifted the game?

[forest hornet]

Maybe

[marble cairn]

another day without news

waiting strong

best post #1

[onyx fossil]

[mortal grove]

it would be funny if they waited 2 weeks so that those who bought the game on day 1 couldnt refund and rebuy it with the new price

[oak token]

I was given a media mute for sending a screenshot of a Chinese balloon in ksp

[jovial turtle]

💀

[marble cairn]

[strange crystal]

[mortal grove]

no emoji flood in the thread please

[urban plover]

Valentina Kerman is waiting with us.

[jovial turtle]

the kerbals in ksp2, animations atleast, blink very weird imo

wait no its because they dont have eyebrows

[jovial turtle]

val really said 😠

[marble cairn]

Devs went dead silent here

[marble cairn]

they are either stalling or they took it to the responsible office and waiting for a response

i like to believe the second one, but the first one always lingers behind my head

[jovial turtle]

its been only 3 days since they were actually attending their jobs

weekend is a thing you know

plus actual decision from the idiots sitting in the regional price deciding office will take a while because theyre idiots

actual calculations of possible revenue most likely, taking it to manager, paperwork and all that unholy stuff is a long process

[marble cairn]

🍇

🍉

[marble cairn]

I said what i wanted.

[urban plover]

I often work with people responsible for money. And I say everything is going very slooooowly there. Endless approvals, market analysis from experts, moving a bunch of documents up to the authorities and collecting signatures, and then back down, and only at the end it comes to implementation.
Bureaucracy will someday crush humanity.

[mortal grove]

i live in germany and the last sentence is so damn true

they still use faxes and letters

💀

and every process is sooo slow

[jovial turtle]

humanity is already under the heels of bureaucracy and is nearing its downfall point

[marble cairn]

How did we even come to discussing humanity future in thread about ksp2 regional prices?

[nocturne meadow]

Sale when?

[urban plover]

Letters, how much pain in this word.
Somewhere in 2010-11 I received a letter from the tax office that I owe 1 tenge in taxes. I went and paid. Then I received a letter saying that I no longer have debts. BUT... This is just the beginning.
A month later, a letter came stating that the debt was a mistake, they owed me 1 tenge and now they owe me 2. Well, ok, let them count towards the next payment. BUT...
I received two more notices about the transfer of 1 tenge each, another notice about the absence of a debt, then about the return of the overpaid, and finally a notification about the repayment of their debt.
In total 8 mails, I'm afraid to imagine how much money they spent on all these letters.
Bureaucracy

[urban plover]

There is no news, but the desire to talk sometimes appears.

[marble cairn]

🫠

[mortal grove]

lol my message got deleted

[mortal grove]

wanted to say that man thats crazy, so much papers only because of 1 tenge

[marble cairn]

☠️

[marble cairn]

i just wonder

if or when?

[fickle fjord]

I'm not sure even they know that part

[somber agate]

They forgor

[mortal grove]

they said they will inform us asap (im coping really hard at this point )

[fickle fjord]

Being stressed out because you don't even know when you'll know the answer to something is understandable

[urban plover]

Stressed for...

[hot wave]

how is it goin

[marble cairn]

goofy af

[jovial turtle]

big ksp2 news tomorrow!!!

[mortal grove]

big ksp2 news a week ago!!

[marble cairn]

ksp2 news are everywhere at the end of nowhere (for now)

[zealous tulip]

wdym?

[marble cairn]

There are none of them

[marble cairn]

From devs at least

[jovial turtle]

I meant tomorrow

[mortal grove]

big ksp2 news somewhen in 21 century!!!

[marble cairn]

💃

[urban plover]

Time to rest, work time is over. But...

The weekend is coming, so I wish you all a good rest.

And I hope the publisher will finally announce regional pricing news next week.

[mortal grove]

thanks, you too

[marble cairn]

same

same

[marble cairn]

Lol, i just noticed that it was hanging on your wishlist since 2019

🥐

[dull pebble]

I think your one of the people that think that people in countrys with lower value currency have much more money as a result and people from countrys with higher value money have less money to make it even, no, that's not how it works, that's why people from Britain are richer then people from America or New Zealand though you do have a bit of a point, if the price where lower for countrys with less valued currency's then the devs wouldnt be getting the full amount of money and people would probably use VPNS to change their region to get it cheaper but it is still unfair how where you live will change the price.

[ripe kelp]

Wdym "people in countrys with lower value currency have much more money as a result and people from countrys with higher value money have less money to make it even."

The regional pricing calculation takes into account PPP and exchange rate (this combination is much more complicated than just lower value higher value currency.) It doesn't detract from the dev's earnings because of the law of demand and price inelasticity. Videogames constitute a large portion of an individual's income in a country like India. This leads to an increase price elasticity - where as the price changes the quantity demanded changes to a greater proportion. Total revenue is the product of the number of units sold and the price; the price may be decreasing but the units sold is increasing. I am an example: if KSP2 weren't 2500 in India and were 4000, I would not be able to afford it, and the devs would lose that money outright (keep in mind there is no variable cost on the developer on platforms like steam.)

Are you talking about purchasing power parity (PPP)? Is that why you said people from Britain are richer than people from America or NZ?

[forest hornet]

Don't understand last phrase

keep in mind there is no variable cost on the developer on platforms like steam

Can you explain what you meant?

[dull pebble]

I ain't reading that or starting an argument so fine, your right

[forest hornet]

Now i understand

[echo lodge]

still same

[marble cairn]

Trying to keep my cool trying to stay cool 😑

[marble cairn]

no regional pricing no purchase

[marble cairn]

...?

[mortal grove]

its normal

i bought ksp like that

[marble cairn]

Yes, but they can do -75% offer, and can`t do a regional prices?

[mortal grove]

ksp1 is 10 years old, sure thing it has discounts

[marble cairn]

Or i don`t understand something

[mortal grove]

regional pricing change needs approval from the publisher on the other hand

and the game is only 8 days old

[marble cairn]

So sales don`t need an approval from the publisher

[mortal grove]

its 10 years old

even more probably

if a 10 yo game single player doesnt have discounts it dies most probably

[marble cairn]

I understand

But someone *decided * to make a sale, yes?

[mortal grove]

yep

[marble cairn]

So they have time even on ksp1

That means that they would rather care about still selling their old game, than solve problems of ksp2

[mortal grove]

not really

its regular

[marble cairn]

Well, ok then

[mortal grove]

that are discounts over last 2 years

but tbf they COULD already make a decision on that

anyways ill wait for another week and then refund if nothing changes

[marble cairn]

Yes, and even if they are waiting too for economic question to solve, they could at least tell us

Or even if they didin't do anything yet they could tell that too!

[mortal grove]

yeah i wouldnt refund if i was sure that price wont change

if i understood correctly if price changes you can refund and buy the game by a new price

but if it changes after the 2-week refund time well that sucks

btw tried to play ksp2 for the first time since 24th february tonight and it would be really fun if i didnt have to care about a price change

i had to run the game through .exe file so that steam doesnt count hours played

[marble cairn]

they could be waiting for early buyers refund window to end

if they are even planning for regional pricing

this just came to my mind

i think if they are ever gonna apply regional pricing they might do it when game is in a better state to get better reviews

because i normally dodge 90% of games with mixed reviews

and i reckon thats common

🍇

[mortal grove]

that would be a really 💀 moment

[marble cairn]

yeah you be careful💀

[urban plover]

Saturday. Nobody works. But Valentina is counting the days......

[marble cairn]

valentina gets no days off

[urban plover]

I'm starting to think that the publisher just doesn't want to answer the price question. Like - if they don't buy it now, they'll buy it later.

The price can be changed at any time. Proven by Trigon (7 days - via publisher) and Dwarf Fortress (1 day - developer himself)

[mortal grove]

i really hope its not the case

all i want to know is if the price is going to change

btw we are approaching 4000 comments here

[grand jacinth]

Maybe I’m stupid but doenst ksp 2 have regional pricing?

I had to pay 50 euros. If i subtract the taxes from that it’s about the same as 50 dollars

True but that has nothing to do with regional

Is it more expensive?

Bruh I don’t want to pay more

[mortal grove]

thats not even the case

many games ignore steam recommended prices and they are still reasonable

ksp2's prices are ridiculously badly managed

i could buy 5-8 mid-price games for a one ksp2 price

💀

[grand jacinth]

Ksp one was way more for me but ok

[burnt maple]

Even lower than 178

[unborn pine]

I thought switzerland was pretty rich?

[river arrow]

every country has rich people, every country also has lots of poor people

we have a 8.5% poverty rate so about 722'000 out of 8 million people which is not a low amount

[urban plover]

The last few years have seen a bad trend of releasing games in poor condition (I'm not only talking about EA, but also AAA projects). It's like the publisher is using the players as free testers. The paranoia does not rest.

But in 2023, the bad state was added by the fact that publishers often began to ignore regional prices.

For example, now Wo Long is being smashed in Steam, the game has "mostly negative" reviews, and the price in my region is + 57% to the recommended one.

[mortal grove]

just did a bit of research on poverty in switzerland and like

its not poverty

its percentage of people making less than median income

which is 20000 euros

and like yes having a wage thats lower than median is kinda bad but 10.9% of EU lives in poverty then

which is not true

[river arrow]

well it's rly rly difficult to live in switzerland with less than that money

[urban plover]

Earn less than average -> be closer to poverty -> less free money -> spend less on unnecessary things

[mortal grove]

im not denying that, its just that almost every country has more than 5% of people earning less than average

[river arrow]

most people i know which earn below this have huge problems, are super depressed and can barely do anything. they often lack most what you'd consider normal for a 1st world country

obviously you cant compare this with a region like sudan or the kongo in which they have a lot more problems and poverty regularly means starvation. but in this context i'm talking about the ability to spend money on unnecessary things like games. which with that extreme price tag excludes still quite a lot of people in switzerland

[mortal grove]

fair

tbh never knew that so much of the world population earns less than average income

damn thats crazy

[river arrow]

also im not sure if im understanding you correctly or you misread something, but im not talking about just the average, im talking about our official numbers of "below existential minimum" which is a calculation of income to spending and what's your bare minimum of income needed to just be able to pay all bills, which is 2225 per month, below that and you're (usually but often with loopholes not) eligable for getting government help but you have to state every expense and they control that you only spend it on the most neccessary things

[mortal grove]

"Switzerland has a significant number of working poor, estimated at 145,000 in 2015. This number is out of a total of approximately 570,000 people (or about 7% of the total population) living in poverty. This number shows a slight increase from 2014 when it was 6.6%.[2] In the same year, 8.9% of the population was making less than 50% of the median equalised income (about €19,793, SFr 24,041), with 4.5% making less than 40% (€15,834, SFr 19,232). The median equivalised income is a number which half of the population makes more than, while half makes less. Because it uses the median it is less affected by the extremely rich."

from the wiki article

i dont know if they are referring to the same things though

i mean are those 7% that live in poverty included in these 8.9% that make less than average or is it the same

maybe its a poor choice of words or i am not understanding something

[river arrow]

they should be, 24'000 is about the range in which we say is the existential minimum

might also be a difference per kanton (state) and this reflects the average existential minimum

[mortal grove]

maybe

unfortunately theres no current data on that topic for my country but i can tell no one would buy a game for that much money

only some imaginative top 1% of population

[urban plover]

In the city where my mother lives, wages are only 50-60% more than the minimum. This is a small town where there are no large factories and many are engaged in farming. But they are not considered poor.

If you earn 200-230 dollars, then you don't have much free money to buy anything at "global" prices. At the same time, according to the statistics of earnings, you are not considered poor.

[ripe kelp]

It's called relative poverty and is the most relevant way to measure poverty within a country. Absolute poverty really is the worst case and is rarely applicable.

[mortal grove]

yeah im aware now

[fickle fjord]

Yeah averages can be quite skewed

[night quest]

Totally agree with you

[nocturne meadow]

waiting for sale at this point

[marble cairn]

I would love to be given the smallest update on the matter at hand

As days pass it feels more like we were just pacified and nothing else

[echo lodge]

i wonder are they gonna even consider this regional pricing or not

[marble cairn]

yup

[kind sphinx]

waiting for 7

[marble cairn]

We've reached 4000 messages here!

(i just noticed lol)

[echo lodge]

[marble cairn]

lol

i misclicked, got warning and now can't delete it

👍

[urban plover]

The weekend is coming to an end, but Valentina did not rest.

Tomorrow the start of the work shift, I hope for the news.

[echo lodge]

lets hope that

still no changes

[marble cairn]

[urban plover]

Diary of Valentina Kerman. Second week, day one.
I have been pressing the button for eight days, but there is still no news.

[jovial turtle]

me when no news

[molten chasm]

49.99 euro here

[mortal grove]

ratings are falling slowly too

[marble cairn]

Nothing changed...

[mortal grove]

why dementia doesnt affect me as a person

[marble cairn]

ree

🤣

[urban plover]

It will be difficult for them to raise the rating. No Man's Sky also had a bad start (but without EA) and fixing the rating took the developers dozens of patches, a lot of FREE content expansions and years of work.

[nocturne meadow]

This game will probably be 80 canadian dollars when the price is raised.

[unborn pine]

How the- sorry 8 million people? Then how did the netherlands (where im from) cram 17 million people in an even smaller country?????

[river arrow]

we got many mountains hahah, i think like 70-90% of the population lives in the northern flat part. i live in the "biggest" city of 450'000 people. Also we're pretty boring, netherlands is very central, has more interesting things, less mountains and ocean access.

But also fun fact, we got a population of 8'000'000 people but a bunker capacity of 10'000'000

[unborn pine]

The netherlands are more boring, its just farmland, a few hills and a forest or 2

[mortal grove]

i was there once and loved the landscape

[unborn pine]

For once its cool, and its nice for walks, but if you have seen one beach, one forest and one field the rest are very similar

[urban plover]

Interesting facts about March 7:

1. In 1960, the first group of cosmonauts from twenty military pilots was formed in the USSR.
2. In 1992, the premiere of the anime series "Sailor Moon".
3. In 2023, Publisher Private Division did not report any regional pricing news.

[kind sphinx]

It's way more solid than KSP2 Rockets.

[jovial turtle]

Refuses to sell games in russia because PR

Ruins PR by having stupid regional prices and laying off workers

[past blaze]

I want to remind people that you are free to voice your issues with pricing/availability here

However, actively mocking the developers or the companies behind it is just rude and not needed

[nocturne meadow]

who said we aint free to voice our issues

[marble cairn]

Imagine after 126 days one dev will write 'ree' here

This will be one of the biggest news in this thread

[urban plover]

News of cuts across the company, even "if" development teams are "minorally" affected, doesn't add hope for the game's future.

[urban plover]

When there were covid restrictions, the company where my friend worked also underwent changes in “in line with the long-term priorities of the company”, as a result, they laid off 50% of the employees (something around 200 workers), but only 2 managers. The most "funny" thing is that the company still cannot return to the performance before the restrictions, and constantly misses the deadlines, as there are not enough workers. But there are no new employees, since people are not particularly willing to get into it, after the management defended only their places. You can be a super leader, but if there is no team, then you are useless.

[urban plover]

Today is International Women's Day. Congratulations to all the women in our team.
And let's congratulate Valentina Kreman for her tireless work, even today she is on duty.

[forest hornet]

🌷

[dusk edge]

If regional pricing was different what would stop people from getting a vpn and buying it from the cheapest region?

[marble cairn]

This won't work

[forest hornet]

1. steam can block your acc
2. you need to change your steam acc region, and switch it again to your home region can be not so fast(at least you need to wait about 1-2month)
3. you need to have bank card at that region(not reliable info)
4. you can have some region block at your game.
5. which means that you will not be able to play the game if you change the region to another.

[dusk edge]

So if you legit live in one region and move to another, you could lose your steam games?

[forest hornet]

some of them

[mortal grove]

you dont?

why would you

changing your account currency to argentinian pesos with vpn is not the same as moving to other country

[dusk edge]

But wouldn't the same account countermeasures affect people who are legitimately moving between regions, not just those gaming the system?

[mortal grove]

why would the currency changing system exist at all then

afaik this vpn method doesnt even work

it used to a while ago

[nocturne meadow]

aint no way im paying 66 Canadian dollars for a early access game in this state 💀

[somber flame]

I paid 1900 php or like 35$

[mortal grove]

its friday soon and i hope devs will change the prices and i wont have to refund the game

[marble cairn]

[echo lodge]

nah but you still need to play in the old region currency

you cant change the currency of your steam account after you move i think

[mortal grove]

you can

but its an option

i can change my currency to euro rn but why lol the prices are 5 times bigger

[mortal grove]

nah

[urban plover]

The work week is coming to an end soon, hope is dwindling...

[marble cairn]

(i've absolutely no idea why did i send it)

[mortal grove]

what should we do then

[mortal grove]

could it be?

[marble cairn]

lets see

[marble cairn]

[mortal grove]

me waiting for big news knowing it could be a troll

[fickle fjord]

IIRC last time they announced "there'll be news tomorrow" it was the day before EA launch, so I'm hopeful (then again I tend to be)

[jovial turtle]

everyone knew there was going to be an ea launch on 24th it literally was a joke about "big ksp2 news tomorrow!!!"

the best it could be is hotfix release

get smarter

[mortal grove]

nah they said it wont be this week

[urban plover]

For me, it's already the end of Friday .

Valentina, come on, make your move...

[mortal grove]

its only 7 am in seattle

[jovial turtle]

oh yeah right

[urban plover]

Yes, it's only the beginning of the day in the Western Hemisphere. So for now, I'm not too upset.
But in the eastern hemisphere, in Tokyo, Saturday has already begun, and it will come soon for me too.

[jovial turtle]

I think the news dakota talked about are not connected to pricing. How would they know in advance when they are getting a response from the higher ups?

Maybe they got told by the management that the response will be sent to them tomorrow but thats not something management would do because it's pointless

It could be them just holding the message until official stuff gets sorted out to change the prices if the response is positive but then again they said they'll send the response here as soon as possible

It cant be because its was the end of their shift when dakota said that because it was only like 12:43 at the time he said that

12:43 by 24 hour time count

[marble cairn]

Whopper, Whopper...

[fast delta]

@jovial turtle you are a wonderful analyst,

[jovial turtle]

idk its just regular logic imo

[somber agate]

Any news?

[mortal grove]

im a bit excited

[mortal grove]

m

its a dev diary about graphics

(another message from the dev team will be coming shortly)

ah ok there's still hope

[marble cairn]

So there weren't any news?

Or did i just miss something

[hard kestrel]

There was an announcement of patch one, and a Dev diary going over why terrain is causing bad performance, but nothing on this issue.

[torn needle]

No that won't happen. If you move to another region where certain Steam games are blocked you can't buy them there. If you already have them on your Steam account you can just install and start them as usual, you just can't buy it again.

[forest hornet]

If game have region restrictions when you buy it, you can't play in it in other region (exceptions are regions that listed when you buy it)

Don't misinterpret region restrictions with "region selling"

[urban plover]

Another day with no answers...

[forest hornet]

And steam clearly says it when you buy that kind of games

[torn needle]

You can play games that are restricted in another country just fine. You buy them during holiday in a country where they aren't restricted and then when you get back home you might have to wait up to 90 days until they get playable.
Maybe Steam did change this, but as far as I know that worked in the past just fine.
I don't speak about selling restrictions I really mean region restricted games.

[forest hornet]

Idk when i last tried it I can't play

It was 2014

[torn needle]

Dunno for me that works fine.

I got a few uncut versions of games that would have been censored in my home country. The only thing thats not accessible after 90 days is language. I can't change it, at least not via steam.
All games work the same way regardless of where they were purchased.

[marble cairn]

New life challenge: live up to ksp2 regional pricing

[urban plover]

I suspect at this rate we need to become immortal.

[mortal grove]

stopping aging for dummies

[urban plover]

Kerbin Highlander: The Series - Last Man Standing will receive a regional price.

[jovial turtle]

bro turned ksp into a battle royale

[urban plover]

Well, technically, all Kerbals are immortal. I've had Bob on Dres for something like 170 years and nothing, he's still like a fresh cucumber.
So it seems that I discovered another secret - ALL Kerbals are highlanders, and the main four are invincible, because they know how to resurrect.

[jovial turtle]

they are immune to aging and other basic needs you mean

the main four are indeed op but they take a hour to respawn and battle royales dont usually take that much time in terms of one in game match

so its all fair

they either bleed dust puffs or they dont bleed at all

if they dont bleed then it means a battle royale isnt ongoing

[undone estuary]

TransChicago

[sonic lava]

It's five now. They added Tim C. Kerman as a new veteran, in honor of game artist Tim Cox who passed away during development (in 2018, I think).

[urban plover]

Ba-dum-tss... Week 2 is coming to an end...

[forest hornet]

[marble cairn]

ive actually seen ksp price drop in my dream

[mortal grove]

lmao

[jovial turtle]

ksp now available on sleepy brain?? 😱

[marble cairn]

[urban plover]

Well, it's been half a month. All patience comes to an end sooner or later. Valentina is VERY upset by the publisher's inaction and goes to the good old KSP1...

[urban plover]

Dear comrades.
The inaction of the capitalist bosses clearly shows their attitude towards the KSP community. They promised us answers BUT SO FAR no one has told us anything. If they don't want to answer, then we shouldn't give them our money either. I'm not calling for piracy (it's illegal), but to boycott KSP2, either until there are regional prices or a super sale.
Glory to Kerbalkind. Di meliora.

[jovial turtle]

we need another hero to ask the devs head on so they can clarify if its the publisher lacking or something else gone wrong

preferably on weekends when devs not busy

[marble cairn]

...

ok

@nocturne fern , @buoyant acorn , @gilded bobcat can you please tell us what`s happening? Because we've been waiting for half a month and there weren't any news. (i know you asked not to ping you. Well, sorry, i hope it won't be very critical for you)

[marble cairn]

?

and 15 days we waited already

💃

And if 15 days somehow isn't enought, i don't think this will be a big problem to tell us about that

[urban plover]

It seems that the Private Division has a personnel crisis. They have problems with both development teams and management. At KSP2, in addition to a disgusting technical condition, regional prices were ignored. And The Outer Worlds: SCE literally personifies the capitalist dystopia ridiculed in the game itself (you had to try to screw up the "upgrade" like that) - they demand money for an "improvement" that worsened the game.

[marble cairn]

Well

It's bad 3:

But maybe, at least, they will answer my question ^ワ^

I didn't say that i believe in it :/

[urban plover]

[fast delta]

This is one of the most creative explanations I have seen

The world is not turning around yourself though

[marble cairn]

[mortal grove]

lmao

[mental gust]

There was an announcement last Friday

Patch is planned for march 16th

https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/214809-approaching-patch-one/
https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/214806-developer-insights-18-graphics-of-early-access-ksp2/

[echo lodge]

its not about the patch

[mental gust]

Then what news do they want

[echo lodge]

news about regional pricing

devs said they look up into that

and give us information about any updates

[mental gust]

🤷‍♂️

[urban plover]

In my opinion, this was the most complete and honest answer on the current situation from the administration.

[mental gust]

I'm a moderator. Not affiliated with Intercept Games, Private Division, or Take Two

[urban plover]

I know. Thanks anyway.
The funny thing about this situation is that the people associated with Intercept Games, Private Division, or Take Two didn't even do that...

[forest hornet]

[marble cairn]

[fickle fjord]

Hopefully we'll see results of their work resolving this soon

[kind sphinx]

[marble cairn]

🙆‍♀️

[urban plover]

[mortal grove]

[oak token]

[mortal grove]

[urban plover]

[marble cairn]

[fickle fjord]

Maybe we'll see something today, maybe tomorrow

[urban plover]

I've already lost all hope.

Of course, there is a smaaaall chance that after the patch we will be given an answer to our question. But most likely there will be silence again.

[marble cairn]

😐

[mortal grove]

me too

anyways my refund time is over and even if something changes i most probably wont have a cent back

[marble cairn]

[fickle fjord]

Seems patch notes are scheduled for tomorrow, that makes the chance of a price-change announcement today lower

[burnt maple]

?

[marble cairn]

I don't know

Misplaced in time

[mortal grove]

boots.

[urban plover]

[marble cairn]

big ksp2 patch today... (this feels so disappointingly)

[mental gust]

The worst part is that it's free! 😠 ||/s||

(||if you own the game||)

[urban plover]

The worst part is that the people associated with Intercept Games, Private Division, or Take Two didn't contact us and didn't keep their promise.

In the meantime, it's been 20 days since the release...

[marble cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/879776035682545676/1032164425022578779/0D960AD4-F53F-4042-BB15-88E428B73E5B.gif

Lol there's a working GIF

[urban plover]

My gifs don't work

[marble cairn]

Same

But sometimes, for some reason, they work

[urban plover]

Pure luck

I read the patch notes, it looks like the game was barely tested before EA

[marble cairn]

And there's nothing about regional prices

Well

Sad

[urban plover]

So many easily noticeable but game-breaking bugs wow...

[urban plover]

The administration didn't react when you ping them... It was expected.

[urban plover]

I asked the moderator and it turns out they were spammed with GIFs and they changed automod to aggressive

So GIFs shouldn't work, at least not yet

[forest hornet]

any discounts?

only for ksp1

[urban plover]

It's spring sale

[marble cairn]

💚

[lime obsidian]

Hi everyone, please try to keep threads like this relevant to the topic. These are not intended as general chat threads, thanks.

[marble cairn]

Lol now they are deleting our messages

[mortal grove]

are they?

[lime obsidian]

Important message here about why some messages are getting deleted #1078683192615243796 message

[urban plover]

And what should we talk about?

We have been waiting for 21 days for the administration to keep its promise to answer our questions.

I think such conversations are better than another surge of negativity, right?

[lime obsidian]

Well I mean, you can talk about KSP2 in #🔷ksp2_general , KSP 1 in #🔷ksp2_general , or general off-topic chat in #◽general_non_ksp . Threads in the KSP help section are not for chat.

Was there a special reason why you want to talk about stuff unrelated to the topic in here, specifically?

[marble cairn]

Yes there is a reason

This thread needs to be active

So there's a small chance that devs won't forget about it

And just for this thread to not die

[urban plover]

There are a lot of people in these threads(ksp2 & ksp1). Only those who are interested in the answer raised in this thread are sitting here. And if you do not move this topic, it will be lost in the abyss of other topics.

[marble cairn]

And we can't talk only about this thread main topic, because we don't even have any news

[lime obsidian]

Sorry, allowing general off topic chat in a help thread like this just creates subgroups in the community, which is often harmful. It's not what these threads are for, and off-topic chat is also counterproductive to what you want - anyone able to give you the response you are looking for won't be moved to do so by seeing hundreds or thousands of posts that have nothing to do with the subject. That kind of thing instead waters down your intended message.

[marble cairn]

Juan.

[marble cairn]

I disagree

[urban plover]

Our question is pinned to the thread so it won't get lost

[lime obsidian]

Regardless. Topics are there for a reason. Please stick to them. Anything else is just spam.

[marble cairn]

No one helping us even now, so what will change if we will write off-topic here

[lime obsidian]

If there's nothing more to say on the subject, please move on to other subjects in other locations on the server.

[marble cairn]

Our 'off-topic' messages are often indirectly affecting the main topic

[urban plover]

We already tried to call someone from the FD to get an answer and calm down, but no one answered

[marble cairn]

So they need to be here, not somewhere else

[lime obsidian]

Guys, I appreciate that our opinions differ on this. I've listened and I have understood, there's no need to keep arguing your point. Discussion in this thread (or anywhere else on the server) should relate to the topic, that's just how we do things here. If you have something that is indirectly related to the topic, go for it, but most of what I've seen (and everything I've deleted) has nothing to do with it whatsoever.

Please respect this decision.

[urban plover]

Ok, I won't deviate too much from the topic. But I will still periodically pull this topic so that it does not fall into the abyss.

We are just slowly going crazy from the lack of news.

[mortal grove]

fair enough

[marble cairn]

[wild acorn]

I don't care if they make a lot or a little

[ionic bison]

you mean different VAT rates, greedy governments...

[torn needle]

Honestly I'm not so much affected from this since I've living in western europe, but I still think that regional pricing should be to the average income of a region or to the recommended pricing on steam or whatever. (You know someone who just earns 500$ a month can't pay 50$ for a game).
Meanwhile thanks to keysellers you can already get the game for like 32€ in western europe, which means its 36% off the base price (which is quite the huge discount). I'm not sure who mentioned it but someone of the Community Managers, Dev Logs or anything mentioned that KSP2 should be a game for everyone, and that also means that regional pricing should be fair for everyone (otherwise its not for everyone because a lot of potential customers can't afford it).
Also people who really want a game but cannot afford it will most likely find other ways to get it and in that special case we have here its not a service problem but money problem.

Okay i've added my mustard to that topic now, and I hope it stays alive. I can't be bad to adjust prices so more people can afford the game and actually buy it (which means more money for the devs + publisher) than people not able to buy it because its way to expensive for them.

[lime obsidian]

Key sellers are dodgy as anything. They basically deal in stolen goods and your key could get nullified

[torn needle]

I have a friend who basically buys almost all his games off keysellers for like 10+ years by now and so far none of his keys got ever nullified.
I guess it all depends on where you buy it, some keysellers are legit like Fanatical for example.

[ionic bison]

or they sell bad keys to start with, then mysteriously can't be reached for complaints

[lime obsidian]

For example:

1. Thief steals credit card info,
2. Theif buys a bunch of Steam keys.
3. Theif sells said keys to a key seller, who buys them at a discounted price, no questions asked.
4. Key seller sells the keys, essentially laundering money
5. User buys key, and it might actually work.
6. Credit card is reported stolen
7. Bank recalls all transactions from that card
8. Developer has now received nothing for the key and nullifies it.

The only reason a developer would not nullify the key would be that they feel sorry for the user.

And actually, all those sites are dodgy. It's just that some are more overtly dodgy than others.

[torn needle]

Thats why I'm paying in cash when I buy keys on keysellers. So no credit card infos from me.

[lime obsidian]

You misunderstand. It's the thief who uses a credit card to buy the game to begin with.

When you buy a key from a keyseller, you are essentially buying an item originally purchased with stolen money. The issuing bank will eventually undo purchases made with that card, and that means the developer gets funds removed from their bank account. So at that point, it's up to the developer to decide whether to take the hit themselves or pass it on to the user who ended up with the key.

Either way, buying from a key seller = supporting thieves, because they are the only ones who consistently win.

So this is unfortunately not a great way to solve the problem if you feel that regional pricing is unfair.

[ionic bison]

used to do support for a game company (NOT this one). We constantly got requests for key reactivations from people who'd bought stolen keys on eBay and elsewhere, was a near full time job at one point. Some of the pirates even sued us, adding more cost to our business for no return, and requiring us to raise prices for actual customers to cover the cost of fighting piracy

[torn needle]

I did buy the game on Steam but a few of my friends thought KSP2 might be a bit overpriced in its current state and decided to buy on keyseller platforms.
Like I said I know one guy who does this 10+ years and never got anything revoked and he also told me that there are legit keysellers out there, you just have to buy at the right store.
Even some YouTubers out there have links to certain keysellers or I've even saw it from a publisher that keys are available at various stores, some of them not only Steam or Epic but even keysellers.

[ionic bison]

those "legit keysellers" tend to buy in bulk during discount events (which won't help them with KSP2) or sign up for fake "press copies" and sell those

then someone's resold press key gets disabled after a few weeks and they don't even notice because they no longer play the game...

[coarse prawn]

Are there some legit keys? Yes. They are, however, the overwhelming minority of keys.
The reason none of those keys have been revoked it because developers don't want to commit the resources to fighting it.
The people buy keys in bulk with stolen cards, sell those keys to a keyseller, then the transactions are recalled and the dev has to cover refunds for the stolen keys, including covering steam (or whatever platform)'s cut, if I understand the system correctly. So it costs the devs money and people flock to these sites because it's cheaper, meaning the problem is not going to do away any time soon.

None of these sites would be as large as they are if stolen keys weren't sold on them, there aren't enough legit ones to keep them going like they are.

[lime obsidian]

So basically, buying from a reseller actively hurts the developers

[coarse prawn]

☝️

[urban plover]

My friend in Russia bought sanctioned games through key sellers. But they sell games for 15-50% more than the price in Steam and he bought through gifts, so he does not know how it works. At the beginning of 2022, 5 games were bought from him and nothing was blocked.

[lime obsidian]

That actually sounds less dodgy than the cheap ones, TBH.

[ionic bison]

sanction busting through buying legit keys and reselling them to blocked regions at a surcharge. Risky business as they can get arrested for it, and if found out that the keys are used on accounts in blocked regions the entire Steam account gets disabled. And yes, your friend will need to have a steam account that claims to be outside of Russia, and probably access it through a vpn tunnel as well.

[urban plover]

Not always, I work in IT and have personally seen both region-limited and global keys for scientific software. In the CIS region, this is a frequent occurrence.

[torn needle]

And even if you buy games in the CIS region, you just need to wait out 90 days until the region locked games get playable in the rest of the world.

[lime obsidian]

Either way, it doesn't solve the regional pricing problem (trying to direct this back to topic 🙂 )

[torn needle]

Its not mentioned on Steams Support page, but for some reason that actually works.

I have one last question: If keysellers are so bad, whats with the HumbleBundle? I bought quite a few times there....

[lime obsidian]

As far as I know, HumbleBundle make deals and get discounts for their sales.

[torn needle]

But technically this also sells keys so its a keyseller. Same with Fanatical (owner is Focus Multimedia Ltd in UK) for example.

[urban plover]

I think it's more of a charity site than a key dealer. After all, there you can indicate a higher price than requested.

[lime obsidian]

https://voltcave.com/is-humble-bundle-legit/

I don't know about Fanatical, specifically. But if they are selling KSP2 keys, that's not at all legit.

[terse dirge]

imagine having to pay the worth of something based on exchange rate which makes it worth what its supposed to be worth. Pretty wild. You mention you have to choose between food or KSP the choice is simple, needs before wants. Welcome to being an adult

[lime obsidian]

Is it safe to assume that you live in a country belonging to what is commonly referred to as the Western World? It's easy to be flippant about it when it doesn't affect you personally.

[terse dirge]

It doesnt matter matter where i live, thats basic economics

[lime obsidian]

Regional pricing is a pretty standard phenomenon for software.

[terse dirge]

X is created and valued at Y. Currency exhange is set to worth of Y's currency

[lime obsidian]

There are a lot of things that have regional pricing, @terse dirge . From software to electricity to fuel, this is also part of economics.

[torn needle]

According to what I could find Fanatical partners with publishers and developers, and all Private Division games are there listed for sale. Its also not a market place, so you buy the game keys from them directly. They are also almost as old as the HumbleBundle.
Also if it wasn't legit developers wouldn't have listed the site as one where you safely can buy the game, I saw that in the past, together with Steam, Origin and Epic store listed together with HumbleBundle.

[lime obsidian]

All I know is that Dakota said that they are not affiliated with any key resellers at all.

[terse dirge]

Its a valid point, however, regional pricing can be consistently abused by those who dont live in that region

[lime obsidian]

This is also true.

[terse dirge]

extreme example.

[urban plover]

Well, now I have enough money for one copy of KSP2, but with them I can also buy 2 or 3 (at a discount) good games (from the wishlist) that have regional prices

[torn needle]

You could "move" to another region, buy gift cards, and then buy games with the other currency for dirty cheap.

[lime obsidian]

Yeah let's not encourage that here

[terse dirge]

Someone merely downloads a vpn, sets their IP to New Poor Economica and suddenly pays 2 bucks for 60 buck game

and then they buy saaay

30 copies

[lime obsidian]

Difficult choice.

[terse dirge]

and sells them on the gray market for half of home regions price (30 bucks)

then it snowballs

[lime obsidian]

I guess that's another reason why resellers are almost always dodgey

[torn needle]

Yep but people will always find ways to exploit the system... especially if you're from a "rich" country you have many ways to get stuff dirty cheap. In an ideal world we all would earn the same amount of money and no one would be poor or anything or at least there wouldn't be as much difference in standards of living as it is now.

I guess humans still stay humans and do what humans did since ages.

[terse dirge]

so they have essentially made 840 bucks which they can then reinvest buy snagging up more of New Poor Economicas copies

[urban plover]

"Tourism" to cheap regions is one of the reasons why publishers ignore regional prices, and it hurts those who live in the region, not those who come.

[terse dirge]

meanwhile the devs of "Super Giga Fidget Boy" start hemorrhaging profits becuase of this

[torn needle]

Now I feel bad that I bought a few games for dirty cheap when I was 4 weeks for vacation in eastern europe.
I basically paid almost nothing (compared to my home country) there and I bought them in a retail store and then activated them in Steam.

[lime obsidian]

Especially a DRM-free game like KSP

[terse dirge]

mhmm

[urban plover]

I don't know if this is sarcasm.
But it's a really hard choice for me. I've been waiting for KSP2 for a long time and I have hundreds of hours of KSP1 on Steam (and started playing since when it was distributed from the site). And if the game had a better condition, then, with a high probability, I would buy it. But it is precisely because of the quality that I consider the current price to be too high.

[terse dirge]

then you must wait

its that simple

[lime obsidian]

It wasn't sarcasm. I genuinely think that would be a difficult choice.

[terse dirge]

see my extreme example of the abuse that regional pricing is susceptible to

at the end of the day they are a company, they are here to make money not lose it, they dont do it out of the kindness of their heart, otherwise it would be free

mhm

[urban plover]

I think retail works differently. The games have already been bought by the store, the statistics do not take into account who they were sold to for activation.

[ionic bison]

guess what. that didn't stop people reading magazine reviews...

wasn't because of licensing, was just that there were so few computers that there was no market

the first games I played I typed in the source code from magazines...

[urban plover]

In my hometown in the 90s it was impossible to buy not only software, but also a PC. It was even impossible to order because the sales industry was not so developed then. If something from IT was necessary, it was necessary to go to a large city 100 km away. I didn't even have internet until 2000 and the company used DSL

[ionic bison]

yup. we got the computer because my dad's employer thought it a good idea to be modern and give their consultants a "portable PC", forgetting that my dad had a severe hernia and couldn't lift the thing 🙂

I'm lucky the city I live in decided it was in the best interest of the city to provide every building with fibre optics...

that was about 10 years ago

[urban plover]

My first PC weighed something like 19kg (and it's not a full tower) and a 20kg monitor. And I saved up for it, if I remember correctly, for 2 years. My current full tower with 8 hdd/ssd, huge heatsink, video card and soundproofing weighs only 22

[lime obsidian]

Better still, let's steer conversation back to the topic of this thread, please

[jovial turtle]

Fulfilling deddly's request, I think we should all submit a question to #ama-questions about regional pricing and the blacklist of Russia, more questions about it - more likely it will be answered and we could get atleast a slight update from Nate

I understand that being overly annoying with it is kind of rude, but its only second time it will be asked head on to people who work on this project and can contact higher ups, and afterall its been over half a month and we are still left without any devs writing anything here at all as far as im aware

[mental gust]

The Russia blacklist is because of Take Two sanctions against Russia (ukraine war and all)

[urban plover]

This is understandable, but it needs to be formalized somewhere in the FAQ so that people do not constantly ask and resent. There are still people who wonder...
Formalism is evil but often necessary.

[urban plover]

The idea of ama-questions about regional pricing is awesome. This is the most adequate of the remaining methods.

[jovial turtle]

Yes but the main message to the devs which got us a response included it, and the question is more not about the why but about if it was adressed on pair with the regional pricing issue and if it will be available before the war stops

Afterall, the main idea of the game is rockets for everyone, its unfair to basically tell people that they arent as good as others just because they were born in some country

[terse dirge]

sanctions are sanctions, it has nothing to with superiority

[jovial turtle]

The restrictions are nothing more than PR chasing as been mentioned multiple times, there are ways to sell in Russia, and taketwo always goes out of their way to block them off just so they can get... I honestly dont know what they are getting off of this

Sanctions are sanctions, yes, but if it was really the case Epic Games wouldnt still be able to sell games in Russia

I think its a complex theme and politics are the least in it, honestly

To conclude my thought, its not about for or against Ukraine, its about to get political approval by blacklist or to get money by messed up regional prices, and they are actively trying to do both

ima head to sleep bye

oh one more thing, id really want to hear your guys opinion on what I just said if the mods arent against it because I dont know if my statements are the same as people interpret the situation

ill read stuff in the morning its 3 am here in russia

[lime obsidian]

Let's be careful not get political.

[urban plover]

I'm thinking of posting a ama-question like this.

Have a nice day. Sorry for my English, it's not my main language.
I'm from the topic "Regional pricing unfair". We have long asked questions to the administration and are waiting, but still without an answer.
We address the fact that prices in many regions are unfair, for example, in Kazakhstan I have +71% to the recommended price, in Ukraine +73%, in Turkey +124%.
Excess of prices over the recommended one in 30 regions, of which 16 have from +40% to +134%
At the same time, there is a correspondence of recommended prices for Brazil, China, Argentina (total 7 regions)
Is it possible to bring the prices closer to the recommended ones?

[lime obsidian]

Yeah sorry, politics

[terse dirge]

fair

[lime obsidian]

Sounds like a good question for the AMA, @urban plover .Well worded and nicely thought out

[topaz needle]

What is wrong with politics? What kinda?

[lime obsidian]

It's against the rules because political conversion unfortunately gets extremely heated very quickly.

[topaz needle]

Yea alright that might be true.

[lime obsidian]

[Emoji spam removed] Please don't do that.

[fickle fjord]

maybe avoid the word "unfair" and add in some wording like "distance between KSP2 per dollar pricing and other T2 games"

[urban plover]

It's already late. I posted a question yesterday. I had a late night, my brains were tired, now, most likely, I would have formulated the question softer.
But nothing prevents other participants in the topic from asking similar ones. I'm afraid that if the question is only from one person, then the likelihood of us getting an answer on such a topic is less. But if there are similar (but not identical, otherwise they will be mistaken for spam) questions from several people, then it will be clear that it worries a large part of the community.

[fickle fjord]

No worries

[urban plover]

In addition, pricing is still unfair, since some regions have regional prices, while most do not.
And English is not my native language, so I express myself not as I want, but as I can.

[lime obsidian]

Your English is very good, Nebelheim.

[urban plover]

It's good that there is a text format for communication. My English, when speaking, was understood only by 2 people - an Italian and a Scot.

[fickle fjord]

I understand, and I'm ESL too

[marble cairn]

Where's Valentina Kerman?

[mortal grove]

starved from the lack of the news

[jovial turtle]

poor veventina

[marble cairn]

lol

[nocturne meadow]

I demand this game to be free in canada

[lime obsidian]

Let's try to keep the thread on topic

[mortal grove]

i was still my message was deleted

i dont know if there is a point of sending anything here

[lime obsidian]

Accidentally removed one too many. Sorry about that.

[mortal grove]

thats ok, but still we got the last dev response almost a month ago, keeping on topic without any updates is impossible

as an option we could just wait but it might encourage inaction from the devs' (or publisher's) side

im looking forward to the ama though

[jovial turtle]

just 3 days til ama

[urban plover]

I'm wondering how many people in this thread have asked the price question for Friday's AMA
And if during the AMA they turn their attention to us, how will they respond?

[lime obsidian]

Is that really something that Nate can answer, though? I somehow don't imagine him personally sitting down and making these decisions.

[urban plover]

We already have tinfoil hats. The suspicion is that our voices do not reach the authorities. Paranoia is always on guard...
Therefore, I want some kind of reaction from, if not the publisher, then at least the developers (they are closer to the publisher)

[jovial turtle]

If some movement has been made he would most likely know about

[marble cairn]

Mods when someone sends a meme here:

[nocturne meadow]

Icmb

[marble cairn]

Im sorry(

ICBM*

[mortal grove]

malistic bissile

[mortal grove]

take two AMA when

[marble cairn]

hi guys

i havent been around

ive been studying hard and checking ksp2 price on steam in my free time

at least one of them looks promising

[marble cairn]

wdym?

[fickle fjord]

Probably not, esp when there's a publisher involved

[marble cairn]

No regional prices

...(

[urban plover]

I wonder if they will answer us. While I was waiting for ama, I looked at a lot of reviews and almost everyone says that the current price does not match the quality.
Well, only 11 hours left to wait.

[marble cairn]

Hehe

[mortal grove]

as someone who played ksp2 i agree

even though the patch 1 had over 300 fixes nothing changed for me at all

its still 15 fps and my an-225 replica cant even fly now because of the new bug with collapsing wings

so the price matches neither regions’ economies, nor (imo) the quality

[urban plover]

Dakota writes: "We received over 1000 questions and whittled down the list to around 200. We will not get through everything today..."

This message does not inspire me with optimism.

[marble cairn]

Uhm, so what's happening there?

[somber agate]

They are saying they will post a document with the unanswered questions in the ama

If I didn't miss it they didn't talk about regional pricing.

[marble cairn]

Of course

[urban plover]

It is expected.

[marble cairn]

[mortal grove]

yep

[marble cairn]

I have no words

-What do you think about your game start was a complete mess everyone complains about?
-Nah, we're good. We are having fun. Who even cares about important questions like regional pricing, let's better talk about milk and cereal

'Been great seeing the community get their hands on the game and enjoying it'

[marble cairn]

Who enjoys it?! Masochists?

[torn needle]

I did enjoy my first 200 hours of the game even before patch 1...

[marble cairn]

Well, than i don't understand how can someone enjoy suffering from bugs for 40 USD

[torn needle]

I found a few ways to go around bugs like "vessel destroyed" on undocking and other stuff.

The worst thing was actually performance, since it took me like 20 minutes getting a 350 parts craft into orbit.

[marble cairn]

I understand you can enjoy breaking game limits, but it's a complete nonsense if this 'limits' are gamebreaking bugs

[mortal grove]

building planes was pretty fun

now i cant even launch them

[torn needle]

Some bugs like having no maneuver trajectory are very annoying though... I heard they are fixed yet.

I really haven't played that much since the first patch came, since I already visited every body of the Kerbol system and now have no idea what else to do. I need new content.

[mortal grove]

i played about 10 hours i guess

[marble cairn]

Well, if their intentional idea was to make game goofy looking, so you could make fun of it, then i don't understand something in this life

[mortal grove]

this thing could fly before the patch

now wings just tear apart lol

and performance didnt change at all so i dont have any patience bringing my wobbly rockets to orbit

[torn needle]

I guess this will happen a few times during early access... when part properties change over the course of updates some things won't work anymore at some point

[marble cairn]

So this game is now a challenge to do a successful mission, avoiding all bugs, right?

[mortal grove]

thats understandable but since small fixes are not a thing i need to wait for an uncertain amount of time to get a full scale patch

[torn needle]

Huh? It didn't change at all? I'm from 12 FPS at the KSC to like 30 FPS now

[mortal grove]

yep

[torn needle]

Thats weird... since for me its like a +100% improvement

[marble cairn]

But then, early access can't cost 40 USD

[mortal grove]

getting to the mun was fairly easy despite all the game breaking bugs i've seen on youtube

they just didnt happen for some reason

[marble cairn]

If people are surprised by such simple things, then it's very bad for it's price, isn't it?

[mortal grove]

it would be bad for its price even if all went smoothly

no game is worth 40 usd in ukraine

[torn needle]

And so the price discussions starts anew. But yeah 50€ is a bit too expensive for what the game offers right now imho. Especially since I had to do stuff sometimes multiple times at some occations. Especially launches where horrible where the game was just a diashow and one second ingame took 10 real life seconds

[mortal grove]

or 50 usd in turkey

[marble cairn]

🫠

[mortal grove]

like, i really like the devs efforts and how big was the first patch but sadly it didnt change anything for me

[torn needle]

Also I have a few hundred saves... I literally saved really really often so everytime something got wrong I could just reload.

[mortal grove]

so im just kind of looking forward to waiting for the next patch lol

[marble cairn]

Maybe im an idiot, but i can't tell that devs have put much effort in their game this month

[mortal grove]

who can?

we will only when the second patch is released

[torn needle]

yep

[marble cairn]

Well, they are 'having fun'

[mortal grove]

playtesting the game

i dont see the problem here

[urban plover]

I have enough testing of different crap at work. I stopped enjoying finding software problems

I just want the product to work properly. Let it be without all the promised elements at the start. And at a reasonable price, not crazy overpriced.

And they don't even want to talk to us

[mortal grove]

i mean, playtesting is devs' work

and if they are enjoying it there is nothing wrong with it

i didnt say you have to do that

[urban plover]

This is the cry of my soul. Please don't take it personally.

Because the game has so many easily visible yet game-breaking bugs that it looks like they don't have testers. Or they were forced to start selling.

And it looks like people bought the opportunity to become members of the quality control department.

Nate even has a favorite MOD that collects information for error messages.

I've had a lot of EA games, but none of them were in such a terrible state that they broke just for random reasons.

Oh, and KSP2 in my region sells for the full price of a finished AAA game

[lime obsidian]

Please don't turn this thread into a general discussion of the game. This is specifically for discussion of regional pricing. If there is nothing new to talk about for this thread, please discuss other things in the relevant areas of the server, such as #nate_ama_discussion or #🔷ksp2_general

[wintry raft]

lol food or ksp2. well the choice is clear.

[wintry raft]

didn't they JUST do and AMA yesterday? Didn't they post what the next update is? this is beyond asinine.

[marble cairn]

😐

[urban plover]

We have a pricing question. We never got an answer to IT.

Neither in the AMA nor in this thread.

Although they promised to contact.

[marble cairn]

I think no one hear us

We are just speaking to the wall

Im almost 100% sure no one from devs reads this channel

[meager notch]

Even if they are reading this, the project has investors who are unlikely to change their pricing policy.

[marble cairn]

:((.....................

[marble cairn]

regardless what happens

we were one of the most active part of the community

who didnt even play the game lol

we just calmed down and waited, stayed silent

i dont think any of this (about ksp2 generally) is worthy of bigger efforts

[marble cairn]

So we'll just wait ?

[mortal grove]

fair enough

[tiny minnow]

yeah, KSP2 comes in at 70+ AUD - a price comparable to a complete and finished AAA title like Breath of the Wild or Assassins' Creed. The games' pricing might be fair for an American audience, but it's not functional for most of the world when compared to alternatives at a similar price range

[marble cairn]

Ahhmagadmandissituationisacompletedisaster

[real viper]

AAA games in Australia are over $100

[urban plover]

In my region, the pre-order of STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor costs a little more ($50.73) and it will be a complete game.
(do not pre-order games, now this is a risk that is often not justified)
GoW, Forza 5, Marvel's Spider-Man, UNCHARTED, Dead Space cost the same and they're finished!
Microsoft Flight Simulator SE is a very large game that costs the same and has very few problems.

The new Wo Long costs $48.52 (yes, it's with problems, but it's finished). Аnd KSP2 costs $44.11 and it's a masochist's paradise - so many bugs, no new content, NO optimization, important mechanics missing and NO deadlines for when everything promised will be. I don't really trust promises in general.

Many bloggers say that buying KSP2 now is an investment. If so, where is the profit for investors (players)?
Many will burn out in the waiting time. And I have concerns about the future of the game due to the crisis in the industry and the world.

[urban plover]

I don't even have the strength to be angry.

I've been thinking and I've decided.

I'll just sit down and wait for what time will bring me - a good project or a failure. And even then I'll think about buying.

Waiting for a response from the publisher is as hopeless as scooping water with a sieve.

Of course I will look here, but not so actively.

[fickle fjord]

I guess the argument would be that it's an investment in a game that you will or will eventually enjoy

I think we should be mindful though, to distinguish the regional pricing discussion from the more general pricing discussion

[somber agate]

I've waited a few weeks and when they didn't even mention it in the AMA I played KSP 1 to scratch the KSP itch I had. Yesterday I packed my computer up so I could study better. I hope by the time I'm done we will have some kind of update. But I'm just tired of empty promises and don't expect anything.

[marble cairn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053835637956022354/1090917267589562499/cat.gif

i don't care it's off topic. >:(

[mortal grove]

ugh

[teal jacinth]

I was there in past, far past.. so did something changed?

Do we have any progress?

[zealous tulip]

:(

[mortal grove]

nope

not at all

[marble cairn]

what would happen to this post if i left the server?

[nocturne meadow]

World would end

[mortal grove]

probably nothing

messages dont delete when someone leaves

[marble cairn]

It's so sad that they just forgot about us

Well, it is as it is

...(

[jovial turtle]

not even moderators remember us

[marble cairn]

Ahmagadmandisissosad

[lime obsidian]

Probably more like they have nothing new to share.

[mortal grove]

whatever, you know

its their choice to lose trust and players

[marble cairn]

real.

[jovial turtle]

for eel? on cod??

[mortal grove]

for eeloo

[fickle fjord]

If they have nothing to share how often should they say they have nothing to share? Daily? Weekly?

[lime obsidian]

Hmm. At least as often as they communicate to the console people about the upcoming KSP1 patch, I'd say

[lusty tinsel]

I can't find the original post bruh

[jovial turtle]

it is the original post

[mortal prism]

tldr even the game marked as $50, with the poor take-two region pricing it can nudge the price equal or even way over local AAA games recommended price lol, in extreme case it is over $50 after currency converting (which I am lol, and I don't have VAT to pay )

[marble cairn]

We are forgotten, like galaxies, at the end of the universe

🌌

[urban plover]

Well, they waited for us to fall into the abyss of indifference.

I think their attitude towards the ksp2 community is somewhere around.

A new patch has been announced for April 12th. They promise to improve performance. Last time, if my memory serves me right, they also promised, but there was no noticeable result.
But the game has a lot of bugs that break the game and are not related to performance.

And of course: No price news

[marble cairn]

[young gate]

my frame rate nearly doubled

they definitely did something to performance

[torn needle]

Same for me, framerate especially around Kerbin got drastically better. I got from just 11 FPS to something like 25 FPS

[urban plover]

I don't have a game. I played a little with a friend's account (since family sharing is prohibited) just before the patch and immediately after it. It was 22-25 fps at the launch of the rockets, it became ~30. For me, there was no significant difference.

[static olive]

just imagine ksp2 being 1537.19 mone

[lime obsidian]

<Some off topic stuff deleted> Please try and keep this channel on topic.

And please don't reply saying "but there's nothing on topic to talk about" - if you want to discuss other topics, please use the relative channels, thanks guys

[static olive]

isnt that common sense to keep channels on topic in the first place?

[urban plover]

Common sense has left us a long time ago. Probably when we thought that they would answer us and the publisher cared

[static olive]

gonna be honest, thats true

[marble cairn]

🫐

[fickle fjord]

OP left the server

[marble cairn]

Ahmagadmandisissotrue(((

[hot wave]

died

Imagine no regional prices

[marble cairn]

[hot wave]

@gilded bobcat@buoyant acorn@nocturne fern Thank you devs, ban me if you want to, idc about it now, just know that you are so mean and heartless.

[lusty tinsel]

It’s likely it’s a decision made by private division that community managers can’t do anything about. Pinging the community managers calling them mean and heartless probably won’t be doing anything to help the situation.

Also, they won’t ban you for this. Pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that mods were explicitly instructed not to ban based off of negative feedback.

I do agree that regional pricing should be a thing but this is not the way to get it added.

[lime obsidian]

Sorry I had to remove the message because it had a bad word in it. Here's what @hot wave said but without the bad word:

"if i will ever buy this stupid game i would put negative feedback, cuz it is so stupid, the game is like 3 month old, i think they could put regional prices 100000 times. I dont even think that i will but it, i would better crack it then buy this game for a lot of money for my country, thank you devs that you better make less people but your game, but they pay a lot of money for a raw game. That is all, I dont think you will ever see me in this thread. Goodbye"

[marble cairn]

Cool, now community cares about devs more than they care about us

Excellent 💯👌👌

[jovial turtle]

This doesnt get them off the hook, they could of atleast told us that they cant do anything about it, but no - complete silence

[frozen pike]

why are the devs not replying to this thread at all?

[marble cairn]

Because telling the truth is always painful, but saying anything besides the truth will be a very explicit lie

[marble cairn]

Yeah, they are literally selling a worse game for 9x price (if to compare with ksp1)

[young gate]

i can get 30 fps with a 1660 ti what are yall on about

[jovial turtle]

ksp is 10$ so ksp2 5x the price

[young gate]

was ksp 1 1.0 40$ on release?

looks like its been around 40$ since 2015

woah okay so i did a lil math, ksp 1 in 2015 was worth 50$ today (due to inflation)

ksp 2 is goin for the same value as ksp1 did in 2015

i choose 2015 as thats when it released on steam

[hot wave]

Fr

[static olive]

what is regional pricing, like price different depending on countr?

if game makers added that then VPN sales would go insane

[lusty tinsel]

pretty sure steam has it figured out

no need to worry about vpn

[real viper]

Why not just have everyone pay in USD for the game so everyone pays the same amount?

[lime obsidian]

In some regions, 50 USD is a disproportionally high amount compared with the local wages.

[static olive]

imagine having to give 1537 mone for a GAME. doesnt seem fun, does it?

[torn needle]

There are countries where the average income per month is less than 500$. They won't be able to pay 10% of their monthly income for a game.

[static olive]

where im at is around 250

[torn needle]

Its probably something like this: You buy the game or you buy food for a month.

[jovial turtle]

im gonna be honest if people cant afford the game they probably cant afford the specs for it

but it is too expensive for people who can afford it and that's the problem

[static olive]

that is infact it

[real viper]

If you don’t have money for a 50 dollar game you won’t have money for the hardware to run it on

[torn needle]

They probably can pay for the hardware, since the hardware has regional pricing, while the game does not have that. In fact the game could be more costly than the hardware, depending on where they live.

[real viper]

Show me where computer hardware has regional pricing as I don’t believe that is a thing.

[viral lion]

Hardware is hella expensive where I live lol, say 1Tb HDD around USD 60 here after conversion..

that's almost a week worth of food

[mortal grove]

im pretty sure it is expensive everywhere

[real viper]

Not really I can get a 4tb hdd off Amazon for around 65USD or a 2TB ssd for around 75USD

[burnt maple]

@real viper So if your money is enough to buy, everyone should be able to afford it?

[real viper]

If they have money for a high end pc they should have money for the game?

[proven mason]

This game is extremely poorly optimised and it shouldn't need high end hardware to begin with. Hardware certainly doesn't have "regional pricing" but taxes and greedy importers exist. No matter your Hardware it would help to have regional pricing for a niche game like KSP. I for one certainly don't feel like giving 3 grocery shoppings worth of money to this unfinished and already overpriced game.