#7.0 Spoilers (Datamine)
humble folio
because mobile (derogatory)
fossil mauve
its just +5 across the board
ocean vigil
Courtesy of @soft cloud
Surv, Ret, Speed, Range, Favor
The one benefit of this is 116 for the one range point I need
orchid furnace
My eyes... I'm not smart. Break it down for simpletons?
Do I need to make new parts?
ocean vigil
The answer to this question is no never
Unless you want to do new routes
SSUC unmod 48h MROJZ I think is a thing now? But like, neat who cares
orchid furnace
Our main subs are all modded so I'm a 36h degen
Or whatever the time is, but knowing I don't need to make new parts is all the answer I needed
ocean vigil
Well if you want to make JORZ go faster, 116 you can do WSUC++
It's still 36h, but even faster
orchid furnace
Oho!
No meaningful breakpoints, no worries
I suppose until we know what comes from the new routes it's all unimportant anyway
If anything, which I doubt
ocean vigil
Just wait a few months and buy everything for nothing
north thunder
I'm an OJ Simpleton, though at least OJ should be getting faster and faster
in case anyone wants like...not just a screenshot
ocean vigil
Oh.
We have MROJZ 36h
Oh wait no I fucked up somehow
Accidentally did **N**ROJZ kekw
Testing Grounds for Patch 7.0
Changes:
- MOJZ can now do C bridge instead of C+ bridge
- MROJZ can now do WSUS++ in addition to the usual WSUU++
That's uh, that's it.
Updated the main chart, no changes except "~116" for unmod JORZ 36h is now just "116" confirmed.
Changes will be pushed in about a week or so to the public sheet.
Here's the full sheet if you want it though.
north thunder
too bad there's no discord for subs
ocean vigil
too bad there's no discord for subs
There's no space for me to put this there
I can't go public with my new charts yet
north thunder
lol
tardy olive
diplomatic... but yeah.
north thunder
I mean if we had like 2/3 more people here, it'd be most of that discord's important people anyhow 😄
ocean vigil
We already have most of the important sub players not all but most
soft cloud
well subtracker is already updated for 7.0~
just that dalamud won't be live at that point prolly
ocean vigil
You never know!
Glad to hear it'll be good right away though 
So I don't have to manually keep track
vestal moon
well subtracker is already updated for 7.0~
I love your plugin! thanks for all your work on it
odd zenith
SSUC unmod 48h MROJZ I think is a thing now? But like, neat who cares
unmod SSUC still can't do 48h MROJZ, short of 14 Range
It can do below 36h JORZ now though
But like, neat who cares
Lol, I feel like the sub discord is currently leaning towards #nevermod
fossil mauve
tbh
nevermod isnt that op anymore
to me mod's biggest cost was the crypto investment
but its not that spendy anymore is it?
i have so much spare
the repairs are more expensive but it tends to be a negligible cost compared to the revenue
that being said
i have been working on swapping parts off mod
because of my fleet size, just obtaining enough repairs is kinda annoying and causes the price to go up if i try to buy enough for my fleet for a while
feel free to disagree tho, its just my perspective and it is objective that unmod parts cost less to maintain
odd zenith
yeah, was going to mention ongoing repair costs with mod parts at scale
Relatively recently downgraded all my subs to unmodified based on Elena's Mammet/upkeep tool
Will take around 12-14 months to breakeven in terms of repair kit cost savings to make up for the new parts
Since I did my modified parts gradually over a period of years, my build/run costs are cheaper than a submariner who has recently built mod parts and wants to downgrade
Also when it comes to scaling for income, it's just easier to go #nevermod
fossil mauve
i never really found crafting more parts to be that much harder
just increase the quantities of mats required
i mostly wanted mod so i could get my subs on fight club faster which in turn lines them up with my whole fleet faster
leveling is a pain to do while scaling
odd zenith
just increase the quantities of mats required
can't believe you're saying this when the fabricator UI is so jank lol
wouldn't mind so much if there was a "turn in all mats at once" option
fossil mauve
lmao
tbf i actually have a bit of a system for it
i order all my mats in my inventory in the order a part needs except i snake the order right then left for the next row
just keep mashing A while watching yt on my phone
and move one item over after each item is turned it
i think i saw someone say theres an even better way to do it with numpad, but i dont have a numpad
odd zenith
Are you listening to yourself lol?
You have a system to deal with janky UI
Sounds a bit like Stockholm Syndrome 😼
fossil mauve
lol
its janky but mindless
im content watching yt while turning in mats
wont argue that it couldnt be better
north thunder
at the very least they should have done something like this so i can turn in the 3 sets of the same thing at once which would cut down the pain by 67%!
they also need to use this damn mechanic for custom deliveries
whats #nevermod? I tend to stay away from that place
odd zenith
whats #nevermod? I tend to stay away from that place
fully unmodified builds
not modifying sub parts ever
north thunder
oh, yeah thats what i do just for cheapness lol
but i just run OJ, or...did before I had to start over
odd zenith
it turns out for a lot of people #nevermod is also the smartest thing to do like Rank 85 WSUC, OJ
or Rank 90 onwards WSCC, 48h, for scaling
north thunder
yeah i liked OJ because i would often miss one day and missing a 48h was a lot more loss
and 36h is for crazy people
odd zenith
yeah i liked OJ because i would often miss one day and missing a 48h was a lot m...
The counter to that is that 24h and 36h are more likely to be disrupted by things like server maint and late re-deployments
north thunder
oh for sure, but i am far less reliable than the server lol
wait is WSUC better than SSUC for OJ?
odd zenith
But getting to start at Rank 85 WSUC OJ is a huge win cos every other build/route involves tradeoffs
odd zenith
wait is WSUC better than SSUC for OJ?
Starts at Rank 85
SSUC starts at Rank 90
WSUC is the fastest build so more negative drift than SSUC
but if you're ok with the negative drift of SSUC, no need to change
north thunder
well, so far i'm not high enough anyhow, but if WSUC is sooner, sounds llike I should start making hulls
my subs are in the 65-75 range right now
oh, and bridges, damn
i was really hoping the new levels would let us hit a 3 zone 24h this time
but I'm pretty sure we're a long ways off from that
odd zenith
that would be worth going modded though for me
not right now though:
- increased build and repair costs
- subs could be nerfed before we ever get 24h MOJ
- Still have to level to the new rank which takes centuries using Fight Club routes
I only build new parts when my subs are capable of doing new routes etc
north thunder
true, I was considering making 1 set of exploring parts and using it to level 1 sub at a time until max while the other 3 do OJ
fill out the maps and get exp at the same time
but yeah i wouldnt do it untill its actually feasible and potentially with some negative drift, which wouldnt be until a patch or two later. no way I can guarantee to be on time every day
soft cloud
not right now though:
1) increased build and repair costs
2) subs could be nerfe...
They can also just stop giving us new updates and let the content be done forever
fossil mauve
yeah i liked OJ because i would often miss one day and missing a 48h was a lot m...
this not how math works tbh
missing a day in 48h is still the loss of 1 day of avg gain
assuming you resend the next day
its not a loss of a whole 48h trips by missing a single day lol
and then you have 50% of days that its totally fine to not be able to attend
its honestly more tolerant to losing uptime
north thunder
It's less about math and more about having to make a calendar reminder and then missing it would require redoing it and I wouldn't do that so id still check it the next scheduled time so it'd end up missing 2 days
fossil mauve
oh you dont wanna figure out a way track which day it returns esp if it might swap due to a missed day?
i can see that
north thunder
I'm just really bad at consistency if it's not every single day
fossil mauve
i have a bot that tells me the second all my submarines are returned
so i never worry bout it lol
north thunder
Haha, I actually made a powershell script to check time remaining without having the game open
north thunder
I mean, that makes sense with a lot of subs, but I don't plan to try to build a navy
fossil mauve
tbh it was just a fun project
thats why its 4.0
i plan to eventually build a 5.0
north thunder
I'll be happy to have 4 FC subs again, and then maybe work on a second FC
north thunder
Yeah, I just need some positive income first for house bids
fossil mauve
every fc afterwards doesnt double ur previous income
so it makes less sense the further you go
odd zenith
7 FCs is the perfect number for a single service account
Floater character + ~3.3m a day or ~1.2b a year
north thunder
How is 7 perfect lol
north thunder
Oh, the cheaper account type?
fossil mauve
yeah but works either way
ur always maxed to 8 characters for one world
moving crossworld can be a pain
cuz part reuse is easy on same world
north thunder
Yeah, I want my second on the same server for sure. I should make the FC soon for the timer
fossil mauve
yeah the timer is 30 days
but also its kinda a tough time to do it
ur gonna have q issues lol
north thunder
So? Lol
fossil mauve
oh damn why a 2nd acc
north thunder
RAF stuff and forgot to cancel it lol
north thunder
It's been real handy for moving sub parts around
fossil mauve
i considered getting a 2nd acc with base game just to do it
but the 30d timer for fc house stopped me
i didn't wanna pay that sub so much
north thunder
Eh, $15 that's like a meal lol
fossil mauve
well im poor lmao
i almost didnt have enough money for my next sub payment o_o
but im gucci
north thunder
But yeah, second account for the other 3 characters for FC creation and housing bid limit really helps
fossil mauve
sure does
i have some friends who help
actually theyre why i setup the bot the way i did and wrote a custom plugin
lets any of us see when the subs are back and report how much was made
usually if im busy and cant resend
i ping one of them to do it
north thunder
Wait, Polars sheet shows 48h as less income than 24h?
fossil mauve
yeah it is
it shows avg per day, so its a lil under 24h
used to think it was slightly above because of M
once we got infi uploading data and elena organized it
turned out OJ sectors just outpace the other 3
well
i forget which one was close, but M and another added together dont quite add up enough to avg higher than just OJ 24
odd zenith
Z is pretty close to O and J
fossil mauve
gotcha
odd zenith
R is like 40k something
fossil mauve
yea
fossil mauve
the day we get JOZ 24, #nevermod is gonna die
odd zenith
the day we get JOZ 24, #nevermod is gonna die
Polar's chart has that at 9.3 ? lol
fossil mauve
he gotta bring it closer 1 patch now
odd zenith
yeah that's from Polar's new chart
fossil mauve
ROJ 24 shouldn't be as far
fossil mauve
lol
north thunder
Gotta wait for UN approval? Lol
fossil mauve
what does diplomatic reasons even mean
odd zenith
im just quoting what was said in here earlier lol
but it's to do with sub discord's offical stance frowning on data mining
fossil mauve
lmao
north thunder
Oh, silly
fossil mauve
that's why i dont go there
north thunder
Why go there or balance when I have Polar and Nataliya here
north thunder
Well, the right channel. We sort of co-opted Polars thread lol
fossil mauve
i do my best to make sure nothing stays on the intended topic
north thunder
Lol
fossil mauve
its to let polar know whos really in charge here
north thunder
Ha, I can do things to look like I'm in charge too like...this
north thunder
Lol, out of context it was a perfect counter to your current nickname 😜
fossil mauve
ocean vigil
Y'all been busy while my cage had a blanket over it
narrow gale
but it's to do with sub discord's offical stance frowning on data mining
Kinda funny in a little way when they have a hidden Datamine channel that you gotta request access for
odd zenith
Kinda funny in a little way when they have a hidden Datamine channel that you go...
Tbf, that channel is dead. Mods have not added anyone new for a long time now
ocean vigil
I could just quietly publish my guide without updating the pins in #🚢︱you-dont-pay-my-sub and the sub discord 
and only the cool people in here will know about it
@odd zenith Btw do we know if the new maps added are Map 6 or still Map 5?
Legit haven't bothered to keep up with newest zones in a long time, I just want to put the right info in for my "previous patch additions" chart
odd zenith
<@117832179454574601> Btw do we know if the new maps added are Map 6 or still Ma...
Still within Lilac sea
ocean vigil
Still within Lilac sea
odd zenith
Lol, my subs have never gone beyond Sea of Ash
ocean vigil
Public version has been updated (quietly)
odd zenith
Public version has been updated (quietly) <:gt:877954507554816091>
I see you like being yelled at 😏
ocean vigil
No one's gonna yell.
If Pepper wants to get mad at me for NOT SAYING ANYTHING in the post and updating the public sheet, 
When 7.0 goes live (and after my initial leveling picto rush calms down), I'll ask her to pin a new post for me.
odd zenith
If Pepper wants to get mad at me for NOT SAYING ANYTHING in the post and updatin...
Sub discord's stance is they can't link anything that contains data mined info. In this case until someone legit uncovers the stats and stuff in-game
north thunder
stupid stance is stupid >.>
narrow gale
Sub discord's stance is they can't link anything that contains data mined info. ...
Yet they'll link/support the use of mogship.com which will utilize datamined/packet-read stats long before someone legit hits the necessary ranks to see the values.
Silly stance.
odd zenith
<:Shrug:1031798350862880841> Yet they'll link/support the use of mogship.com whi...
It is what it is
From what I understand the mods have differing opinions but it's their discord so
Infi was banned for our sins 😔
fossil mauve
<@117832179454574601> Btw do we know if the new maps added are Map 6 or still Ma...
they havent extended the table with a spot for a new map yet, but always can
