Hopefully less cursed than 13! 
#Season 14
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Recommendations for Season 14 (Nov 22 - 28)
▬▬ 🛖 Granary Targets (You want this many of the mats by Cycle X to be safe for main recs. "This Season" means it's not come up, yet)
• C5: 12x 
Spruce (A)
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Workshop Agenda (Craft the agendas below in all 3 workshops, unless otherwise specified)
✨ (Alt Recs and Current Cycle's Agenda in Mienna's post above, or click here: <#🦜︱recommendations message>)
• C5: 3948 
(4860 24 Groove)
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Necklace (4h) - 
Spruce Round Shield (8h) - 
Brush (4h) - Spruce Round Shield (8h)
Note: If you used 
Rope twice on C3, replace the Necklace with another Brush: 3984 (4911 24 Groove)
• C6: 4341 (5565 33 Groove)
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Pumpkin Pudding (6h) - 
Caramels (6h) - Pumpkin Pudding (6h) - Caramels (6h)
• C7: 4080 (5235 35 Groove)
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Boiled Egg (4h) - 
Scale Fingers (8h) - Boiled Egg (4h) - Scale Fingers (8h)
•• Season 14' Total: 24,324
Be sure to check your Material Allocation button, at least once a day/cycle, after setting all Workshop Agendas! 🦜
▬▬ 💤 Second Rest Cycle Info
Rest was already used! Remember to rest C1 next season though!
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**__Recommendations for Season 14 (Nov 22 - 28)__**
▬▬ 🛖 **Granary Targets*...
VHs
Highs
Averages
Ty Granary for being less trash than S13
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Granary: 
Alyssum (VH) >> 
Shark (H) >>> 
Spruce and Silver (A) >>>>> 
Garnet (L)
C&L:
• VH - 24x 
Radish; 18x 
Milk, 
Onion; 12x 
Carapace; PP (18x 
Pumpkin; 6x Milk, 
Egg)
• H - 24x 
Fur, Carapace, 
Fang; 18x 
Fleece, 
Cabbage; PP (12x 
Popoto; 6x Milk)
• A - 18x 
Claw, 
Isleberry; 12x 
Feather
4h Links:
• VH - 12x 
Tomato; 6x Fur, Egg
• H - NONE!
• A - 12x 
Corn; 6x Fang, Milk, Cabbage
Notes:
• Granary seems fine, especially after S13.
•• Expect a Potion/Alyssum loop or Potion/Veg Juice/Alyssum/Veg Juice day.
• Very likely a Confections day with Cara and PP at VH, and SP at H.
• Radish is a possibility, but both its links are Average.
• Lack of good 4h links is a bit scary, only Brush and Boiled Egg being VH and everything else at Avg or Low, but we do have common non-C&L links like Necklace and Rope at VH and H (respectively).
• Good spread overall with 7 of the Big 9 being High+.
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I really hope recs can be quick today because I apparently have a 5-8 reclear lined up in 30m 
(I told them I can only join if they can wait for me lol)
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Radish U fun
Barbut U
Egg is true strong
Sheep U
Garnet Strong, who cares it's Low
Draught U
Ring U
everything U but Egg and Garnet, both strong
unborn seal
Brutal
unborn seal
Radish is VH, it has to be
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So test radish?
unborn seal
Definitely
unborn seal
Yeah, nothing else could possibly matter
unborn seal
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Sorry for rushing just wanna make sure
Rest is current rec, but tentative for Radish yeah?
unborn seal
Does Beachcomber know Boiled Egg is strong?
unborn seal
Idk, it's fine
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MIENNA I CAN'T OPEN BC FROM THE TITLE SCREEN
unborn seal
Just before you post recs. XP
unborn seal
Does it let you hit run solver?
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I already did
and it just doesn't ask
I'm just
gonna put rest as tentative
Cuz idfk what else we could use egg for in an 8h
It's garnet or radish, no other options
unborn seal
8h, probably not, but the 5 craft didn't look awful at all
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It's using early Onion though...
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Yeah do we blow it on C2?
unborn seal
No
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Then we have nothing else
Nothing else is peaking but Radish, Garnet, and Garbo
So tentative rest, otherwise Radish
proven pilot
success!
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**__Recommendations for Season 14 (Nov 22 - 28)__**
▬▬ 🛖 **Granary Targets*...
@unborn seal
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Ping me if anything goes wrong, doing reclears ❤️
unborn seal
I have no idea what the problem is with your Beachcomber
It loves me
But also Pickled Radish strong would be 4290 and that's pretty dang good for C2. Corn Flakes is also peaking!
marble valve
Ouch
Looking at the rest of the VH and H, we're looking at another weird week. We don't have enough Big 9's to cover the rest of the week. Calling C2 a groove day is scary as hell but ~3600 est value will just have to do I guess. We'll know if it was a bad call tomorrow.
unborn seal
I’m hoping we’ll pick up some bonus insuffs from 3/6/7 peaks
marble valve
Oh definitely, we'll get solid value out of this
I'm just angry with Radish
Fucker had their chance to shine 🔪
Wish I could do more on Tuesdays but honestly C2 is where my expertise shines so y'all don't need me 😭
proven pilot
It's lovely to have you come on and double-check our info later with a clear head, though. And so much more sustainable!
I am curious to see what my terrible Pickled Radish-Salt Cod-Essential Draught Cycle 1 agenda is gonna get me.
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It's lovely to have you come on and double-check our info later with a clear hea...
Yeah, sure am glad I didn't set an alarm for 1 despite not going to sleep til 10:30 🥴
Problem is I still gave people an est time for an update 
but now I know I shouldn't do that 
proven pilot
Looks like rest is main rec, with corn flakes<>radish loop as alt
Also, holy shit, Mae Dean follows you.
eta: holy shit, she's on the server. hi Mae ilu.
Also also, this is cute
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Oh, neat
I also love how now all of a sudden I'm roped into doing reclears during Recs hours... sitting in a 7/8 for 6S with 5m to go for reset 
I'm gonna let the bot run and hopefully we'll clear quick and if it's a shitfest, we'll just drop
kekw easy rec
MIENNA NO
I GOT THIS
EASY REC DAY
unborn seal
😴
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I'm not even waiting for the bot
Strong Shark and Rope C3
Nothing else remotely compares
PS: @unborn seal, you forgot the alt recs/current agenda, oopsies.
unborn seal
@peak sinew Oh damn this is substantial tho
unborn seal
Did you flip the earrings to parsnip salad?
idk if the flip from Earrings to Parsnips is worth a ping, but either way this outperformed by 200 cowries and that makes me feel better
About recommending it instead of weak Radish or rest
Very happy with how this worked out
proven pilot
I don't believe he did, judging by the Twitter post.
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Did you flip the earrings to parsnip salad?
Oh, I didn't.
I'm not on twitter
I will on my personal agenda though
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Quick peek at the rest of the week:
• C4/5: Onion Soup (VH; probably reuse Egg?), Bed (H), Spruce (A)
• C6/7: Growth (VH), Hora (VH), Scale Fingies and Crook (Both H), Rug (H), Silver (A), 💯% EXPECT A CONFECTIONS 6/7 (H x1/VH x2, even L Pie is 6/7)
marble valve
Imma just stay up til recs time, so you have some company
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Imma just stay up til recs time, so you have some company
Lol well thank you. I hope recs goes decently fast (<30m) so I can get my subs and then sleeep for like 30 hours.
ahahahahahaha
what the fuck
is this shit
WHAT IS THIS
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
Even the spreadsheet is saying to do Spruce.
How about no
Rope Bed isn't that bad.
@marble valve Are you in-game by chance?
If not, does the comp guide calculate things correctly after the fact? e.g., will Rope be calced correctly in the picture guide despite it being crafted today?
My BC is fucked up as usual; won't give me the output
Also a shame, C2 should have been a rest in hindsight it seems; rope-bed is saying 3948 assuming that's correct.
stiff wolf
you can test if its changing supply properly by just removing it from C3 section and see if the value goes up like it should
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Oh true
ty
It does, I think
3315 3978
to 3219 3948
That seems way higher than #📢︱loud-bot-testing is saying
stiff wolf
thats...a weird rec
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I'm also going to switch the second rope to Brush for C3
I also assume it's saying to rest purely because of the 5-7 potential
Because otherwise, we're looking at a decent day on C4
We're turning down a 4k day
What does... C5 actually have
unborn seal
Recs bot seems to think rope bed is 1152 per workshop which isn’t very impressive but also doesn’t make sense to me.
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Potion, Clam, Tunic, Knife, Butter, Spruce (A), Hat (A), Horn (L), Onion (VH) wait that's 9
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Recs bot seems to think rope bed is 1152 per workshop which isn’t very impressiv...
It's also wrong according to Comp Guide
(After switching 2nd rope on C3 to Brush btw)
unborn seal
We should probably rest then
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I thought it was fucking
I forgot we look at grooveless, Mienna help
I can't w/o sleep lol
unborn seal
This is why we use the buddy system
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Um??????
On CC3, that seems bad.
I guess Net is fine
Net is a bit better w/o using an extra 9 fur
Which do you like better?
stiff wolf
still damn low for CC3
unborn seal
I mean, it’s defs a rest day
stiff wolf
does CC3 still get bonus groove value?
unborn seal
If you rested C2, then yeah
stiff wolf
Yeah but I need a main craft regardless for people who slept on C2
haha, just dont ask to look at my workshop this week >.>
unborn seal
Because it’s only CC2
stiff wolf
oh, no, i meant for recs bot
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Oh then yeah go with the 5 craft right?
unborn seal
Barely. Not really.
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No?
marble valve
My WS got scuffed C2 cuz I forgot to set it
But yes the comp guide will always take previous crafts into account, that was added ages ago
stiff wolf
My WS got scuffed C2 cuz I forgot to set it
But yes the comp guide will always ...
lol I'm setting C3 right now >.>
marble valve
If people rested yesterday then the 5-craft is likely the best option
unborn seal
It’s like 180 bonus from groove for C2 resters.
So according to the spreadsheet it isn’t the best raw option
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-11 per WS but way less fur
1 fang, 1 claw, 5 fur per WS, down from 8 fur per WS
That's +12 from exports
+3.
IT'S +3 NET
A MEASLY FUCKING +3
Do I put both?
unborn seal
Only including the CC2 bonus
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I almost want to put both
unborn seal
I wonder what the deal is
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I think the CC2 bonus is worth considering, given 5-7 is looking STACKED
5 is questionable.
6 and 7 are no doubt gonna be bangers unless they all hit the same day, and even then, maybe pre-peaks.
unborn seal
Are knife/earrings 4/5s?
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Potion, Clam, Tunic, Knife, Butter, Spruce (A), Hat (A), Horn (L), Onion (VH) wa...
This is what concerns me though
Earring is C4S
Knife is C5
unborn seal
Mkay
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So Knife is also clipping that pre-peak
Like, 5 is almost certainly gonna be a Spruce or Onion day
I do wonder actually, should we save Brush for Spruce since it's only a +18 Net (6 per WS) if we craft them on C3.
On the possibility Spruce is our C5
Crafting 6 Brushes means the ineff line is Suff, the Eff line is Surp
instead of all Suff
God fuck this alt rec, legit.
unborn seal
Brush is strong peaking tomorrow so getting an extra 100 today is probably better than getting one surplus instead of suff line later
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It's +90, but over rope it's ... oh -36, not -72
I'm double stoop
+54 net
Yeah that's worth
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+90, +54 net
according to CG
I'm gonna go with that
I'm gonna finish off the Twitter at least cuz I never did lol
I personally think with how good 5-7 is looking, we should go with the 5 craft
15 fur is a lot easier for people with low fur over 24, plus the difference is so minor, assuming it's 180 bonus for groove.
I think it may be a bit higher than 180 since 5-7 is so stacked.
Plus I'd like to go with the bot on this one.
marble valve
It being a 5 craft doesn't add any value
C5 isn't the hot peak day
unborn seal
It adds like 180 in value for C2 resters
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It being a 5 craft doesn't add any value
C5 isn't the hot peak day
It still adds 3 extra groove to CC4
unborn seal
It’s CC2 if you rested already
unborn seal
And those are the people we’re talking to
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You can't just say "oh it's just a bonus to CC3"; CC4 is still 3 groove higher than it otherwise would be.
unborn seal
It’ll boost the first half
2 groove to the 8 hour
Not 3
But still
That’s most of it
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oh, true.
Wait
9+12=21
It kinda depends what we craft on C5
If it's a 9-groove somehow, that'd be 30
But it'll likely be a 44646
marble valve
There's 0 chance of 888 on C5
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There's a possibility of 4848
stiff wolf
groove value assumes 4848 for...sanity's sake
unborn seal
30 groove means you boost the first half of the day. I’m sticking with that.
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Btw the 5 craft is a bit worse if you DON'T switch Rope to Brush on C3.
unborn seal
That I believe
marble valve
Regardless, the options are starting CC4 at 27 groove or 30 groove
Which is a difference of 33% or 35% bonus to the first set of 8hrs
If we end up with a 5craft on C5, however
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Yeah 5 craft won't matter
unborn seal
Yeah
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it'll be 35
marble valve
Then it's 30 vs 33, and we lose bad value today
marble valve
And we are almost certainly dealing with a 5craft C5
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Lemme re-check the values after changing Brush
unborn seal
Lemme look at the bot a little closer.
unborn seal
I mean it’s still a whole boost for C5
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unborn seal
That’s not nothing
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Yeah so the numbers are right
If Groove is worth 60 per point
it's still +3, taking net into account
marble valve
Can we check strong onion and see what the 3% bonus would give?
It would need 200 to beat Rope-Bed
And I just don't see it
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What would the agenda be?
marble valve
Proooobably clam-egg-soup-egg-soup
Seeing as the other 4hr links are Low
Maybe egg first
marble valve
The mammet is revolting against its master
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One sec
marble valve
And sorry I don't mean to just jump in and get my way, I'm working off of a phone calculator so I can't be 100% sure
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9-Groove C4 Rope-Bed
unborn seal
The thing that confuses me is why the bot says to make the 5 craft if you can't rest because it's assuming you've done 15 groove already
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12-Groove C4
unborn seal
So it thinks it's worth it straight up
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(Egg starting at Surplus None, Onion Strong, Clam is just Suff)
(I didn't bother to check Clam Peaks FTR)
stiff wolf
if clam is weak, earring beats it...somehow
marble valve
I was joking
Don't use that, it's not a good look
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9 groove
marble valve
if clam is weak, earring beats it...somehow
Clam is shit so I'd believe it
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Don't use that, it's not a good look
Sorry, blame the 4h of fragmented sleep 😭
I literally thanked someone for doing a callout on 8S today when I was the only one speaking
stiff wolf
haha
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"Left cleave? Okay. Thank you."
All me ^
stiff wolf
sometimes you need to be thankful for yourself
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Yeah but that's not how I was thinking it
marble valve
Even strong onion is only 100 bonus total, I'm leaning harder on no groove value for today
marble valve
Not even 100 bonus
stiff wolf
eh, 102 if both strong 😛
marble valve
disappears back into the ether....
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I'm doing rope bed because idgaf anymore.
unborn seal
right but again, the bot is assuming you did not rest c2
and still recommending the 5 craft
and igdi
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That, makes no sense.
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CC2 Rope-Bed btw
stiff wolf
right but again, the bot is assuming you did not rest c2
so when it recommends rest, the alts dont assume you rested already?
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oh yeah I forgot to
unborn seal
you know what
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I thought rope bed was 4017...?
That was before I turned off C2
unborn seal
100% rope bed
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I'm checking one last time
unborn seal
The bot had a bug where it seemed to think we were at 0 groove for today's update
it might still think that
so rope bed it up
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CC2 Rope-Bed btw
marble valve
Oh, then what was the 5-craft value?
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-171
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After that you're at 21 groove (9+12), then CC3 (C5) would make you, assuming 5-craft for Onion, +12 so 33
If the rec is Spruce though
You'd get +3 for first Spruce and +2 for the second Brush or w/e the link is
But I'm fucking tired and have been thinking about a stupid BARELY DIFFERENT alt-main rec for an hour now
so I'm done
If anyone bitches, they can kiss my tailfeathers.
unborn seal
Rope bed is good, just include the note to switch to brush
And then we can all go to bed
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**__Recommendations for Season 14 (Nov 22 - 28)__**
▬▬ 🛖 **Granary Targets*...
Twitter is easy, I just tell them to rest and no alt main rec
and if they need alt rec, come to discord, nerds.
unborn seal
I’ll try to check the bot tomorrow but, uh, I’m not sure I’ll have time to fix it
Given
Thanksgiving
stiff wolf
oh...right, thats a thing today for normies
marble valve
Why'd they have to go and make things so complicated
You see the way we're doin all this stupid math gets us frustrated
Works like this, yeah
And you swim, and you clim, and you mine, and you find, and you craft it into
All these fuckin products from all these little mammet shmucks
No, no more....
unborn seal
Trying to imagine Avril Lavigne saying shmucks is very funny to me
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I legit would ask Yoshi P why the C A S U A L C O N T E N T is this annoying
stiff wolf
its not, we make it so
unborn seal
We only second guessed it because the bot said so
marble valve
The economy system is objectively needlessly complicated
They could have just done the... what is it, radishes? In AC?
unborn seal
and the second guessing was the complication
unborn seal
AC radishes would be so boring to me personally though
marble valve
Someone was going to
marble valve
AC radishes would be so boring to me personally though
I got excited when I heard about it and looked into it for five seconds
And I was insulted that people think AC radishes are complicated
stiff wolf
yeah they did a good job making it realistic as far as a market
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Anyway, happy turkey day to those who are in an area that takes part in devouring an overrated dinosaur, I'm passing tf out
stiff wolf
i will be eating fish sticks today
unborn seal
Good night
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(Legit, turkey is the worst part of Thanksgiving. It's all about the ham, stuffing, and green bean casserole)
marble valve
Okay but mashed potat and gravy
marble valve
One of the few things I miss about the US
Canadians can't make good gravy for shit
unborn seal
i missed my family dinner cause of oncall work
That’s a bummer.
And you still can’t make it for thanksgiving??
stiff wolf
no ones doing anything today, just last sunday
it was super non-traditional meal though. i think chicken parm?
stiff wolf
multiple people in my family work on thanksgiving so its almost never on the holiday
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Okay but mashed potat and gravy
Yeah but you can eat that any day
stiff wolf
we can, he cant lol
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One of the few things I miss about the US
Canadians can't make good gravy for s...
YOU GUYS LITERALLY HAVE POUTINE, HOW ARE YOU BAD AT IT?
stiff wolf
i find poutine disgusting, but i hate brown gravy
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but yeah mash & gravy is like, a staple. I'm kinda eh towards it.
Anything I overeat I grow eh towards
stiff wolf
mashed potatoes and queso though...
unborn seal
I tried a support ticket but I still can’t turn the bot on and off again, so its groove may still be fucked
I also need to get on a flight tomorrow morning so I can’t be up for recs or I’ll die
marble valve
I'll probably be here for recs
Just won't be staying as long as yesterday
If I say anything weird or untoward, just ignore it, I'm just here for recs
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Btw @marble valve can you throw me the supply and DS info
I kinda... took a nap in front of subs cuz they come up in... 2m lol
marble valve
I'm in bed
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Oh I thought you were doing recs my b
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OH WHAT DO YOU KNOW
WEAK ONION STRONG SPRUCE?
God I love being right.
btw CG is pushing Potion Growth which... why
BC is just having a fucking fit at me
BC also says to rest which... I can't
BC, what is your problem? This looks like a rest to you?
A shame Brush ended up being it, probably should have stuck with 2x rope but ah well
that's the gamba
Cara 6S, PP and SP 7W, Growth 6W
Oof.
Okay so now I literally don't have BC
Growth option
Yikes.
7 is looking spooples
Oh wait PP is a 7S
It might be SP/PP on 7 and Growth on 6.
Oh wait SF Strong nvm
I was waiting for the bot to assist me
and all it did was cause more confusion
Lemme go back a notch
C5
Is definitely Spruce
We also have a 6S Necklace
Necklace opener for people who did Brush on C3 is recommended
Okay so that's done
Okay C5 on Recs.
6 is a fucking mess
I want to see if using SP/PP on 7 is ideal
if we use growth
Guess not.
It's decently close but no, this looks to be the best
So that's our 7, I'll just pop that in, then I need to test 6 more
marble valve
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Insane that we're not using Growth VH
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**__Recommendations for Season 14 (Nov 22 - 28)__**
▬▬ 🛖 **Granary Targets*...
@marble valve ?
Total: 24,324
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@marble valve We need to switch C7
Bot, CG, BC: BLOWN the fuck out today
I am ASHAMED in all automation.
I'm so angy
marble valve
We can delete the automation if you prefer.
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Nah I just, don't like when it's broken or it lies to my face.
@marble valve I'm very confused
Why is CG calculating first egg as worse
I thought it's because 3 more would tip it to Overflowing but that's not the case
Is there something wrong with the breakpoints?
marble valve
Ugh, there is something wrong with the breakpoints. It isn't pulling the deltas properly.
I'll add it to the list.
Wait no, it's pulling deltas? There's something fucky with the 6-craft.
Ugh I'm stupid, it's looking at the wrong column
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Inb4 I need to tell everyone to switch back to Egg
Can you run 2x Egg and 1x Earrings 1x Egg on C7 after fixing it?
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5175 for 2x egg?
That's still worse than 1x Egg supposedly
Can I get the number for 1x Egg just in case the one I have is wrong?
marble valve
Egg - Egg = 5175
Earring - Egg = 5151
Egg - Earring = 5127
Earring - Earring = 5103
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mmmm