Reporting player sytem

[boreal ore]

Just leave the server?

[shrewd yacht]

Server owners abusing power?
Change server

Death threats and slurs?
First time on internet?

People are jerks?
What a surprise.

[boreal ore]

You're not forced to play with anyone on any particular server, and if you think everyone there is a jerk, including the host, maybe that's a you problem.

[rare wren]

What if I am having fun in that server and don't wanna leave? These types of people shouldn't go unmonitored

[boreal ore]

Tell about it to the host

[shrewd yacht]

What else you can expect from brainwashed helldiver

Total control. Yay

[rare wren]

The host don't always help

@shrewd yacht Being a Helldiver doesn't have anything to do with this

[boreal ore]

If host don't care, then they are okay with it, unless they just don't care about you
Then just change the server, if it's considered normal by the host of this server

[shrewd yacht]

Change server. You can ask people to go play with you

[rare wren]

I understand I can just change the server, but my point still stands, just because death threats and slurs are a normal part of the internet doesn't mean it's okay for it to happen

[boreal ore]

There's no higher power then the host of the particular server

There's no internet police

[shrewd yacht]

If you so sensitive it is your problem. Just chill out and take it easy

[rare wren]

This isn't about me, I am quite confident in saying that lots of other players probably feel the same

[shrewd yacht]

Where are these players?

[boreal ore]

If server owners are okay with slurs and death threats thrown at someone, including you - change the server

[rare wren]

I can't summon them on the spot

[boreal ore]

Why would you want to play on the server if this behavior is not moderated by server owner

[rare wren]

Just because the server owner is fine with it doesn't mean it is fine

[boreal ore]

So what

[rare wren]

Because there are other competent people I like being around

[boreal ore]

Then change

[shrewd yacht]

Well. If everyone is fine and you not then it is fine.

[boreal ore]

The server

[rare wren]

wdym so what?

[boreal ore]

There's noone policing the entire Barotrauma

It's not MMORPG

Every server is individual and not connected to any other

[rare wren]

I don't understand your points. Slurs and death threats are not okay no matter what, they shouldn't go unchecked

[boreal ore]

What's your point?

[shrewd yacht]

It's not okay. But it's not a big deal.

[boreal ore]

Who do you want to report this behaviour to?

[rare wren]

My point is that these people need to be punished for death threats and slurs and everything in-between those

[shrewd yacht]

Who will be in charge?

[rare wren]

Moderators for the game, these don't have to be hired people they can be trustworthy players that moderate the servers

[shrewd yacht]

Who will decide if "death threats" was a part of role play or is actual threat

[shrewd yacht]

You will pay them?

[rare wren]

If your playing a role and just acting that is fine but I pretty sure it is obvious when it is just acting and not serious

[rare wren]

Who the hell said I was paying them?

[boreal ore]

How old are you?

[shrewd yacht]

With how sensitive you are. It is hard to say so

[rare wren]

Why do you care?

[boreal ore]

You sound like it's your first time on the internet

[rare wren]

It isn't

[shrewd yacht]

People have different tolerances.
Like I can completely ignore any threat.
"If this disturbs you then walk away"

[boreal ore]

Then you must realize that every server on Barotrauma is individual to its own

[rare wren]

Just because some people can tolerate it doesn't mean others will, and no matter the tolerance it still isn't okay

[shrewd yacht]

Or you can take it easy. Angry people will always be with us.

[rare wren]

It doesn't matter how independent these servers are death threats and slurs are not okay

[shrewd yacht]

If it's just words then I don't see it as big problem.

[rare wren]

That is your way of seeing then, but that isn't how every person sees it

[boreal ore]

Griefing is also bad, but Karma system did a pretty awful job as a moderation tool

[shrewd yacht]

And also not every person see it like you. Then why you decided that your vision is true.

And to go to such extremes like punishments for words in games.
Maybe we prohibit killing in games. It also bad.

[rare wren]

I didn't say my vision is the "true" vision. I am aware that not every person sees it my way either, clearly you don't see it my way. But again, no matter how many people care about it or not telling some to kill themselves or saying the n word is not okay

[boreal ore]

You think a totally not powertripping, totally legit & honest, omni-server moderators would do a better job than server owners?

[shrewd yacht]

N word is totally okay. In my country we don't give it a negative meaning.
I don't understand why everyone is offended by it

[rare wren]

There will obviously be flaws here and there because the moderators could be biased or lazy but it's still a step in the right direction

[boreal ore]

Oh right, put the language barrier in account

[rare wren]

Your country isn't the only country that has access to this game

[shrewd yacht]

It like to be offended when thing called by it name.

[shrewd yacht]

You want to monitor servers in my country or what?

[rare wren]

What?

[rare wren]

What are you talking about?

[boreal ore]

Moderators are supposed to monitor ALL of the servers, right?

[shrewd yacht]

For what purpose you say that?

[boreal ore]

Or just the ones where you got banned?

[rare wren]

Because while your country may see it as fine other countries won't

[shrewd yacht]

You want English speakers to monitor Chinese or Russian speaking servers?

[cobalt badge]

fr

[rare wren]

Yes all servers not just the ones I was banned from, I would love it if the people who unrightfully banned me got a taste of their own medicine but there are other servers that I haven't entered that could use moderation

[heavy nova]

it should be up to server owners to moderate their servers the way they want to

[rare wren]

I never said the moderators HAD to be English speakers

[heavy nova]

also

moderating server owners for "abusing power" is a terrible idea

[rare wren]

Care to elaborate?

[shrewd yacht]

So you just want a power too?

Want to abuse it by yourself

[rare wren]

When did I say I want power?

[heavy nova]

if someones gonna own a server they should be able to use the permissions granted to server owners however they want

if they want to not pay their crew and ban people for no reason

[shrewd yacht]

This

[heavy nova]

they should be able to

[shrewd yacht]

Yes. I want to not pay my crew. And have a dedicated person for Item management

[rare wren]

I never said that I wanted power in that message

[boreal ore]

the people who unrightfully banned me got a taste of their own medicine

[heavy nova]

even if you dont like it server owners should be allowed to use their permissions however they want regardless of whether or not its abuse of power

[shrewd yacht]

Is this a problem?

[heavy nova]

plus moderating EVERY public server would be a pain

it should be left up to server owners to handle moderation on their servers

[rare wren]

I didn't say only those people I also said all the other power abuses in every server

[shrewd yacht]

Why I need to pay my crew. When I as a captain have a vision for what my crew needs.
It's just another way to approach this.

[heavy nova]

okay, guy who made the post

why do you think server owners should be moderated for abusing power

[rare wren]

Banning people unrightfully and using commands just to troll people

[shrewd yacht]

Also everyone in my crew has access to bank. And they never used it.

[heavy nova]

okay well the server owners should be allowed to use their permissions however they want

you just want to take away server owners freedom to handle their server how they want

[boreal ore]

banning people unrightfully

[heavy nova]

i could understand banning people from barotrauma for death threats or genuinely illegal actions

but

[rare wren]

What are you trying to say with this? Are you saying that people don't get banned for no reason in this game?

[heavy nova]

REALLY? just because server owners abuse power?

[shrewd yacht]

It happens not only in this game

[boreal ore]

Just change the server and get over it

You're not entitled to play on every server

[heavy nova]

yeah

join another server

or, even better idea

host your own server

[rare wren]

I don't want to leave a server because of one person being a bad person, unfortunately for me I am a very petty person and if someone wrongs me I seek revenge

[shrewd yacht]

A revenge

For words

In game

[boreal ore]

Yeah, and then he could ban whoever he doesn't like

[shrewd yacht]

Dude you need to see a Medical Officer. Take Naloxone or whatever. You take too much morphine

[rare wren]

I don't take to kindly to someone telling me to kill my self in real life or calling me a slur to insult me

[shrewd yacht]

3 dose of Haloperidol to this patient

[boreal ore]

The idea like this is the reason why devs never look into Discord for ideas

[shrewd yacht]

And 2 dose of chloral hydrate

[rare wren]

Why are you acting like I am weird for not wanting to be told to kill myself?

[heavy nova]

thats not why

you made a bad suggestion to ban server owners because they abuse power

[rare wren]

They shouldn't be allowed to host servers if their gonna bully people

[shrewd yacht]

Because you clearly overreacting

[rare wren]

Overreacting? To death threats?

[shrewd yacht]

And because your suggestion to counter it is so extreme

[shrewd yacht]

You are not being pursued irl, are you?

[boreal ore]

If server owner don't care when you tell about it to them - leave the server

[rare wren]

No but just because they don't go through with it doesn't mean its okay

[heavy nova]

okay so you dont want server owners being able to moderate their servers the way they want to?

[rare wren]

For the third time, I am not letting one or two a-holes ruin my experience

[boreal ore]

Then kill them in game

[heavy nova]

okay well if you dont wanna leave the server that doesnt mean people should be banned from the entirety of barotrauma

unless they are

GENUINELY doing something illegal

[rare wren]

If what they call "moderation" is banning people for no reason then yes

[boreal ore]

Imagine getting doxxed over barotrauma

[rare wren]

There is a lot more stuff that ties into killing them in game

[boreal ore]

Take the crowbar

Beat them till they're ragdolled

That or cry about it

[heavy nova]

regardless of whether or not the moderation is good, they should be allowed to moderate it however they want

[shrewd yacht]

Poison them. Or heal them to death by overdose

[rare wren]

Ok hold up I think there needs to be some clarification. In my orginal post I didn't say they are always banned, I said that a warning can happen as well

[heavy nova]

that doesnt make it any better

[shrewd yacht]

It is bullshit. I am for free barotrauma

[heavy nova]

true

[boreal ore]

No free barotrauma

With no regional prices :<

[shrewd yacht]

Some asshole can join my server. Report me. And now I am a bad owner

[heavy nova]

barotrauma server owners should be free to handle their server and their servers rules how they want to

oorah

[shrewd yacht]

Is that so? Honestly I didnt pay attention. I buyed 3 copies of baro for my friends.

[boreal ore]

Sales, duh

[rare wren]

Why would the reports just always be assumed true? Obviously there would be someone to check and make sure the report is true

[shrewd yacht]

Because no one will be checking it. If this system is implemented they will be just accumulated.

If report count over a certain number then you will get "punishment"

[boreal ore]

Not every server is vanilla

[rare wren]

Did you forget what I said earlier in our conversation? I said there could be moderators to check on servers and any reports that come in

[shrewd yacht]

You want to take weapons from bad people. And then you give them a new more powerful weapon

[obsidian bramble]

Boom a mod that removes the ability to report

It should be possible ish?

[heavy nova]

im not gonna keep saying the same point every time but like

[rare wren]

Devs could hard-wire it into the games code so it can't be removed

[boreal ore]

I want the mod where you hit any of NPC, they sound RDMRDMRDMRDM

[heavy nova]

if a baro server owner wants to ban someone for a dumb reason they should be allowed too

[shrewd yacht]

You can say what you want. The reality will that barely any people will agree to look in report cases.

[heavy nova]

how does it at all effect your experience, theres more than just one server

[rare wren]

Proof?

[heavy nova]

sure it may be annoying but there are a lot of different servers

and you can just host your own

[shrewd yacht]

It can. With LuaCs you can modify any method in game

Every single line of code

[boreal ore]

Game is entirely open sourced

[rare wren]

Well like I said in my original post you can also report people outside of a server when in the games home screen, there is no way a person looking to prevent themselves from getting reported could stop that

[shrewd yacht]

Just with Lua for Baro you can prevent execution of any method

[boreal ore]

You don't like someone on the server, kill them there

[rare wren]

What if the person I wanna kill is the server owner themselves or someone the server owner would be biased towards?

[heavy nova]

than leave the server

you forget that there are

a lot of servers

theres more than just that one server

[rare wren]

For the gajilionth time, I won't let one or two people ruin the whole server because there are other parts of the server that are fun and I don't want to leave

[shrewd yacht]

What proof do you need?
Do you think that people want to detaily look in case to decide if report is true or false?

[boreal ore]

You're not entitled to play on any particular server

[rare wren]

If there are people with above 0 iq there are plenty of people who would want to put an end to this

[shrewd yacht]

No one like to take part in разборках. I just don't know how to say it

[heavy nova]

if its the server owner doing that

i think the experience is already ruined and un-fixable

host your own server..

its that simple..

[shrewd yacht]

There are plenty people who can abuse it for power trip.

Like I said. You want to take weapons from bad people. By introducing a new more powerful weapon to them

[heavy nova]

an end to what?

[rare wren]

Well then the moderators themselves can get reported and then other moderators and/or a higher power can decide if their status should be removed

[heavy nova]

baro players/server owners having freedom?

[boreal ore]

Dude, it's just you

[rare wren]

People saying slurs/death threats

[heavy nova]

death threats or literal criminal actions i can understand

[shrewd yacht]

And then we will have moders for moders. And moders for moders. And moders for moders

[rare wren]

I'm the only one with an iq above 0? Congrats you just insulted yourself

[heavy nova]

what i cant understand is banning server owners for "abusing power"

[boreal ore]

You're literally the only one who went down to #1148990812013744180 , only to cry about how you get cyberbullied on barotrauma

[heavy nova]

no you're the only one that considers this a good idea

[obsidian bramble]

PR team will not like that if the devs were to add that

[boreal ore]

And how you want to take revenge those

[heavy nova]

if im correct no one here has agreed with you

[rare wren]

You misunderstand what I said, the OTHER mods can choose if a reported mod should have their power removed that way no one person gets too powerful

[heavy nova]

so clearly not a lot of people think this is a good idea

[boreal ore]

How long have you played Barotrauma?

What's your playtime

[rare wren]

Just because I am the only person you are aware of that has mentioned this doesn't mean there aren't other people who disagree

[rare wren]

Like 200+ hours I think

[heavy nova]

there are people who agree with you

[shrewd yacht]

And whom they will report. To devs? Devs have a work to do.

[heavy nova]

but they are a small portion of the community at most

[rare wren]

The devs don't have to get involved if they don't want to. I'm saying that the moderators all have the right to vote on a decision they all can make such as removing another moderator who isn't preforming their job correctly

[shrewd yacht]

Mods can be a friends. They can take power in their hands. It's monopoly you know

I ve seen how people can act rightfully to get to power and then avuse it at full.

[boreal ore]

True story

[shrewd yacht]

I've seen my guild collapse in other game just because of mods

[rare wren]

Then normal players who aren't mods can also work together to stop mods who are gaining too much power

[heavy nova]

how do they do that exactly

[shrewd yacht]

But they can only report to mods. What can they do?

[rare wren]

Same way, via democracy

[shrewd yacht]

Democracy

It's a first time mention you know

So mods now like voted for by people?

I thought it is chosen one by somebody. You don't say by whom

[rare wren]

Yeah, the community can vote on who to be a mod and if they don't like a mod(s) they can get rid of them

[shrewd yacht]

What a bullshit

[rare wren]

How is it bullshit?

[obsidian bramble]

Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen

[boreal ore]

It amuses me that this guy's first ever post on this server is "how do I find someones steam page after getting banned from the server"

[shrewd yacht]

Revenge

Remember

[boreal ore]

VENGEANCE

[rare wren]

Exactly

[shrewd yacht]

You need to take Haloperidol

[obsidian bramble]

-rep said a slur in barotrauma

[shrewd yacht]

3 dosage

And 2 chloral hydrate

So you can ease you nerves and sleep peacefully

And when you wake you will be alright

As a doctor I can also recommend calyx extract

[rare wren]

This is the only post I see that has over 200 comments 💀

[obsidian bramble]

But yeah having a report system in barotrauma sounds like a terrible idea

Imagine if some moderator was to play on a server and something the owner did they didnt like and boom now they are banned

[shrewd yacht]

People already has power to deal with it. We don't need another people to do that.

He just don't want to use this power

To freely change servers

[boreal ore]

Guy just wants his revenge for getting illegally banned from barotrauma server

[shrewd yacht]

Illegally by his means

But as I can see it an owner sets the rules

[boreal ore]

Nah, it's internationally illegal to ban this particular guy

He's clearly legally immune to any barotrauma server bans

[shrewd yacht]

Now I am curious for what they ban him

[obsidian bramble]

Also this reporting system has like 3 ways to go

1. It isnt used
2. It gets abused and now mods have thousands upon thousands of things to check
3. Automation bot takes over and now its a disaster

[shrewd yacht]

Maybe he is the one who will suffer from his suggestion

[boreal ore]

Something's definitely wrong with the game if he of all people gets banned

[shrewd yacht]

Or it have an accumulated value. And can be abused by group of bad people

It is either way a bad outcome

I just like how it started and how it ended
"I want to protect people"
"I want to revenge"

[boreal ore]

his revengeance will be revengeful

[obsidian bramble]

The funny thing is that the host can check the steam ID's of every player who has joined the server and created a character

[prime spindle]

yeah, I really can't understand why we still have "bad words" in so much of the world, one would really think we are advanced enough to recognize that a word isn't bad, and just laugh at the people who try and use said words negatively

holy fuck, why did you all indulge this troll for so long

[heavy nova]

you make a very good point

we just gave a terrible suggestion attention

[obsidian bramble]

For the memes

[prime spindle]

fair

[obsidian bramble]

And its fun to theory craft what would happen if something were to be added

[prime spindle]

yeah, true, it would be pretty funny if someone wanted to play baro, but then they pulled a prank on the crew or said a no no word, and got banned from hosting

[obsidian bramble]

[unreal pasture]

If for some deranged reason there was official baro servers sure have those be moderated and bannable from

player hosted server? no

[heavy nova]

yeah

server hosts should be allowed to moderate their server however they want

[unreal pasture]

Indeed, even if they are idiots

I would just hop to another server in that case

[heavy nova]

yeah

if you dont like how they moderate their server

switch servers

or host your own

[unreal pasture]

GARR I LOVE GAMES THAT SUPPLY YOU WITH THE MEANS TO HOST YOUR OWN SERVER

[heavy nova]

true..

[unreal pasture]

In most cases this means the game can never die

[heavy nova]

i love games that give server hosts freedom to handle their server (and its moderation) the way they want to

[unreal pasture]

Absolutely

[obsidian bramble]

famous last words:

[unreal pasture]

It can die in the metaphorical sense that it stops recieving updates and hasnt got many players

[heavy nova]

yeah

it cant TRULY die

[unreal pasture]

but you can always still launch it, host a server and get people to join

but it cant die in the live service sense

where when the official servers shut down, the game is gone

or no longer has a multiplayer component as they never released user files for hosting

[obsidian bramble]

remember when players who want to play your game make private servers you have to sue them

[unreal pasture]

Truly

The true shareholder interest grindset

[woeful sleet]

adding a global ban system is a great way to kill this game

make the entire community hate the game developers lol

[shrewd yacht]

It was funny

[hazy escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/barotrauma-ban-gif-17388550654823908119

[bitter raptor]

if they banned you multiple times its probably for a good reason

[rare wren]

Last server I was banned from had the reason "not a good fit for the crew" I didn't say anything, I didn't do anything I was just doing my job as a medic healing people and I was banned. To me that doesn't sound like a good reason

[unreal pasture]

They dont even need a reason to ban you from their own server

barotrauma isnt a competitive moba where you need to put up with people you get matched with

you can kick someone for whatever reason you want

you'll be an ass

but you can

Unless your intentionally causing trouble its hard to get kicked from pubs in baro from my experience

Not like other games, where people host a public game and kick people for joining because they didnt set it to private

Payday 2 taught me well in the art of hosting my own lobby

after being kicked numerous times before even loading in

[rough stone]

What is this suggestion 😂

[unreal pasture]

Potentially and most likely bait

But also potentially someone upset that he cant report bad server hosts to get them banned from the game

[rough stone]

It gave me a good laugh

Just don't play public if your a pussy

[obsidian bramble]

This is really a great 50/50 of bait or not as you see

They joined here on march 7th and lurked here until yesterday and their first message was to know that is there a way of knowing the steam page of someone who banned you from their server

[heavy nova]

im voting that its not bait

this isnt even like, bait terrible its just terrible

[prime spindle]

yeah, it seems like this guy is genuinely just an overly sensitive idiot