What did you do to PUCS

[bleak mango]

unless it's some gag lol thing PUCS shouldn't be a weaker then a combat suit in its physical resistance it has psyicorium in the recipe and the combat suit itself. what lore reson does adding more armor give you less? pls buff PUCS to at least combat suit psysical rez stats or remove psyicorium or give it more land speed making it fastest suit on land, just for the love of god change it, it's literally a downgrade...

[muted orbit]

It's an engineering suit

Resistant to damage engineers would typically encounter

Such as radiation

And it's main gimmick used to be that it was a good suit for both in and out of water

Until the devs nerfed it's walking speed with the others

[bleak mango]

wetsuit is a Security suit yet anyone can use it effectivlly and its recipe doesnt requre alien materials, PUCS is expensive and kinda usless unles you are an ingeneer with a specific playstyle.

[muted orbit]

It's not useless, it has better burn and radiation resistances, which come in very handy for certain types of enemies

And it too can be used just as effectively by other crewmembers

The PUCS is comparably better than the wetsuit for general use due to the wetsuit's extreme speed debuff

[bleak mango]

you usily dont use a suit in the sub now... since they are all slow af

unless flooded offcourse

[muted orbit]

Also, the PUCS has better pressure resistance than the slipsuit

500 meters of additional protection

Oh, I did some research

The PUCS has a relatively minor speed debuff of -10% compared to the diving suits -20%, and the Slipsuit's -30%

[bleak mango]

still the physical resistances and speed debuff just why make it derect upgrade to the combat suit

[muted orbit]

The PUCS reduces the same amount of speed as a backpack of bandelier

[muted orbit]

I believe it was done for reasons of progression

Though I do believe reducing the recipe to a base diving suit would be better

Also, unlike other diving suits whose speed debuffs are only reduced or negated by Oxygenite tanks; PUCS suits actually grant you additional speed when using oxygenite

[bleak mango]

my dude im testing it right now oxygenite on land has no speed increse because it doesn't use any, and its just fast as combat one on land

the wiki is out of date

[twilit swift]

Really not a fan of PUCS in its current state.
100% speed on land and low speed in water is something I'd like to see.
Also, what's with different diving suits implementing the speed penalty through different XML properties?

[inner rose]

I think pucs need better land speed, water speed im ok with it being not that great

it also needs 90% husk infection negation chance imo, it is the hazard suit

[muted orbit]

DevTrauma

[steep grotto]

-10%, you say? That's nothing, comparing to everything else

[steep grotto]

The main point of diving suit nerfs is to give players reason to not use them outside of water

[twilit swift]

And I don't think PUCS should be a diving suit in a classical sense.

The hull oxygen thing is there for a reason. You turn it into a proper diving suit instead of just an advanced piece of armor, and its identity gets completely fucked.

The original design was stupid too because back then PUCS was straight up good at everything. But then whoever did the nerf seemingly had no idea what PUCS is supposed to be good at, even though it should be obvious both from its unique stat and from the HEV suit it references.

[dark bolt]

Ah yes, the infamous PUCS buff debate

As I've said before, it should be more like the engineer's version of the exo-suit

Not in the sense that it should be an exo suit, obviously

[solid sand]

Ok so what if

you buff pucs to be the exo suit of hazards or like that

Like helping the immune system neutralise poisons

and then add a couple of more poison enemies

not that it becomes a pain in the ass

[inner rose]

Chance to negate husk infection back to 90%
Resistances other than that stay the same
Unburdened (or slightly reduced) movespeed on land (same speed as no suit preferable or just make it same speed as base diving suit or slightly better)
Abyss swim speed
Add chance to negate paralysis (from mantis and lecocytes)

[solid sand]

Could make it so engis and move faster if thet have that talent

[inner rose]

yeah

[solid sand]

I mean they are professionals after all

[solid sand]

quick question

how bad is the poisoning from viperlings

[inner rose]

unsure tbh

[solid sand]

and I guess the paralysis negate thing will work like how abyss creatures do

Like some chance every second

or

just resistance %

[solid sand]

this would be funnier tho

pucs making a cure

[solid sand]

If they are actually a bit of a hazard you could add that also to the pucs but make it work worse than the paralysis

or they

The devs

[twilit swift]

Basically nonexistent, unless you manage to professionally catch every incoming spike.

[solid sand]

Sad

and no one is in the open waters when they spawn

atleast usually

[twilit swift]

Yeah, I was surprised to see that after multiple fights with viperlings, nobody on my crew got poisoned.

They got hit, sure. But the poison had no chance to build up.

[solid sand]

It has to be above 10 right?

[inner rose]

I think its like europan handshake, need 3 hits to get over threshold

[solid sand]

and then it only starts to build up

[inner rose]

let me check xml

[twilit swift]

Yeah, it needs to be above 10 points for the poisoning to progress. Otherwise your body naturally filters it out at a rate of 0.25/s.

[solid sand]

Spinelings evolve to use morbusine to kill their prey but they suck at killing humans in a tin can

[twilit swift]

Honestly, the fact that the tin can gets penetrated by their spikes is already a miracle.

[solid sand]

Viperlings could make it so that your body would not filter the poison for a couple of seconds or so

[twilit swift]

They could just apply more poison per spike, so you have less time to recover before the next hit.

[solid sand]

Just so getting hit by 3 spines in a one fight would actually be dangerous

[solid sand]

Maybe

[inner rose]

yeah i couldnt find the xml in i just go lazy way and look it up on wiki

yeah you need to get hit a lot

[twilit swift]

I think the devs were very careful with this new enemy because it has the potential to be annoying. But they do feel underpowered to the point of being no different from normal spinelings.

[solid sand]

Buff pucs to become exo of hazards and then buff viperlings a bit

Not much but a bit so they become a treath

[inner rose]

poisons is kinda all or nothing, it does little if its below threshold, then once over theres no going back and is gonna kill you

[twilit swift]

Yeah. Pretty much.

[solid sand]

Because every campaing will pretty much get pucs

[inner rose]

so, lose lose situation, atm is kinda mid, but if they crank it up is gonna get annoying

[solid sand]

Colation people can even buy them if I remember right

[twilit swift]

They can.

[solid sand]

and engineers can get the talent pretty fast

[inner rose]

I want pucs to have the edge and niche against husk imo, that would play into the HEV

[solid sand]

Just go deeper so the exp rate becomes good

[inner rose]

but that requires exo husk resistance getting nerfed

which im honestly fine with

[twilit swift]

I don't think PUCS needs any special interactions with poisons, to be honest. Feels like an overcomplication. The husk resistance was a good stat.

[inner rose]

especially with the new husk enemies introduced, having the anti-husk niche transferred from the "good against everything" exosuit to the PUCS would be a good start

[solid sand]

Eh I would like to see some interaction between the two common poisons

morbusine and paralysis

[inner rose]

so exo could be more catered towards conventional damage and threats, while PUCS will deal with more environmental and biological/poison area threats

[solid sand]

and the clown exo being the suit that lets you steal stuff from people

[inner rose]

clown exo is super mid, as long as the 1 hand only thing stays it will always be mid

[solid sand]

banana stunning goes brrr

[twilit swift]

With no speed reduction on land, PUCS would be a great choice for abandoned outposts and general submarine maintenance.
Both burns and husk infection are threats you encounter in ruins, so that's a potential use for PUCS in water, despite it being slow. You could also clear a wreck in it, and then switch to another suit for looting, if you wanted to be very safe.
So yea, the husk resistance stat is neat.

[inner rose]

yeah, if you get bit you will know that you only need 1 abx after all its done as a reassuring measure

while with other suits you might want 2abx, or even 3 because of husk repeated buildup from getting bit

[solid sand]

Clown exo suit should give the ability to one arm the toy hammer and make it so that you can implode things with it trust

let the clown gamble

[inner rose]

but imo it still needs to be 2 hand

you cant weld, cut et al with 1 hand

which basically relegates it to a rarely used item

[solid sand]

banana cannon exosuit cannon

wait what the

I can type

banana cannon exosuit module

There

[inner rose]

yeah it could be funny, but well if this is the end reward being matched against husk symbiosis, then clown is sorely mid

[solid sand]

there is no end reward for clowns even

[inner rose]

but yeah i honestly dont really care as long as the changes make the reward feel worth

[solid sand]

other than being able to hire a medic

[inner rose]

actually true lmao

assistants can just get the Cexos as long as they get enough rep to buy bananas

[solid sand]

or make a banana plantation

1 million banana planters

add exosuit modules and make it so that putting them on the clown exo turns them into clownish

clown exo suit module that adds a hammer that can implode things real!?

[muted orbit]

PUCS is faster than the diving suit