Replace the ai art on the title screen and loading screens ( and any where else its present )

[strange drift]

Self explanatory, it looks bad especially for a 30 dollar game. You guys have definitely made enough money to pay artists for some loading screens..

this shit looks fire gang

just bring this back 😭😭😭

I get yall are tryna go for the mysterious looks n shit but it just looks like ass

and its really pissing me off

Replace the ai art on the title screen and loading screens ( and any where else its present )

[woeful wraith]

mfw

#1260663354620645446 message

[strange drift]

bring it back

[woeful wraith]

i locked the thread cuz i was tired of people saying dumb shi

[strange drift]

https://tenor.com/view/ave-maria-boling-bros-bolingbros-curbstomp-chikawaga-gif-16650089841190860123

[woeful wraith]

i cant unlock it which is trash

[strange drift]

I pray they change this shit

[strange drift]

I don't know how I never noticed they were AI, no wonder I was like "What am I looking at?" whenever I saw the game art.

Yeah hopefully it gets changed one day.

[signal moth]

What’s the game art currently?

[drowsy kernel]

Me neither but now I can't unsee. AI art screams sloppy

[woeful wraith]

I always sorta figured but had the "there's no way they'd do that......"

[strange drift]

this shit

its way sloppier now

they fed it through an ai tool to make it look more mysterious and cold

but it just looks like ass

even though ai art is super wasteful im ok with people using it to create silly images.. Using it to replace genuine work of artists is SHITTY.

atleast they paid an artist for the original work but even with that knowledge it just looks bad

Looked at the older discussions and man I don't know why they changed it.

The one at the bottom looks way better.

yeah we need to make a change

this game is 30 dollars that shit looks way better

spread the word

this just looks sloppy

quality assurance my ass how did this even slip past

[signal moth]

It’s just all looks so more vague like at a glance it looks like something but when you look closer it looks bad

[steep vine]

shall i mention that they made this black guy into a white guy? their art lately has been confusing

[strange drift]

you look at it closely ingame

which is why it looks LIKE SHIT!!

[strange drift]

yeahhhh

this is bad 😭😭

[strange drift]

@keen atlas comparisons

[keen atlas]

it looks so ass what

[strange drift]

@mint nova

[keen atlas]

this

[strange drift]

same

it pisses me off

knowing a lot of creative people personally affected by this shit

most of the people who glaze ai stuff just dont have talent and dont understand being replaced by something actively doing a shittier job

[keen atlas]

now that i know it's ai yeah it's pissing me off too

[steep vine]

id like to note that this image was last updated march 13th of last year, its the same as the one you are saying is AI?

[strange drift]

This is peak.

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-the-boys-homelander-sad-homelander-its-peak-homelander-peak-gif-14542009839452529163

[strange drift]

rephrase?

they took this image and ran it through that shit

I hope they readd the original images

they look way better

[steep vine]

i have 0 idea where that image is from

[strange drift]

Im pretty sure its ost screens

[steep vine]

ost...of the same devs?

[strange drift]

that was a loading screen

[strange drift]

yes

the official ost stuff

[steep vine]

this is the higher res version your referring to

https://steamcommunity.com/app/602960/discussions/0/6980058383071495622/
giving proof is useful:

We do, however, use AI-generated images in some parts of the game that are then drawn over, namely some loading screen images. This saves the artist time in the composition phase of creating a new piece. This is the artist's choice and not ripping anyone off; the finished image is hand-drawn on an existing image, a technique called photobashing, only we've used generated images as the starting point. The process may leave some artefacts that a keen eye determined to root out AI work can spot, if the artist does not go out of their way to erase them, but those by themselves should not be taken to mean the image was wholly generated.

made sometime around feb 21 2019

[strange drift]

I think this is scummy..

[strange drift]

this is probably what they are referring too

that image probably has some kitbashed stuff

anyways hoodlums spread the word or something

if we get enough people on this they'll probably listen

its not like they dont already have resources to do this

[strange drift]

that image was fucking GUTTED

it looks so much better on the right

[keen atlas]

It looks like they’re on the surface of Europa 😭😭 wtf is going on with that window

[steep vine]

theres images like this one i swore i saw in game but cant find in the files

[keen atlas]

Can’t even tell what half the shit in that picture is

[strange drift]

its in the solo campaign opening story

[strange drift]

this isnt ai generated

[steep vine]

yeah its not

[strange drift]

but the one thats actually ingame is an amalgamation

its fucking terrible

@long scaffold you're a developer, can we get some insight on all of this

[steep vine]

honestly i would love to see a mod posted that showed us the concept art, much like how they made Trick or Trauma

[strange drift]

skull is a justified reaction

still though its worth it I really want to see what the hell happened

this is a trainwreck really

[steep vine]

there is stil some art i cant seem to find in game

nor can i find higher res versions

[strange drift]

this might be quest art

either way definitely not ai

[steep vine]

nope

[strange drift]

they might have used some on the bottom left image to make it look more confusing

but there was definitely a human who made most of it

so im fine with it

[steep vine]

oh also, their main icon for the game is also using ai

wasnt always that way

[strange drift]

the steam banner image?

[steep vine]

yep

[strange drift]

thats not AI

[signal moth]

hows that AI?

[strange drift]

fucking slop never realized that shit

look at the suit

[reef jolt]

banner image still goes so hard

[strange drift]

the suit head and body are like merging into each other

[reef jolt]

not the AI one

[strange drift]

baad to the bone

[reef jolt]

boner

[steep vine]

so yeah, around 2020 it seems they started using AI on their images, dont really understand why

[strange drift]

Yeah those red circle areas are just weird and make no sense.

[steep vine]

heres a higher res version before the AI...mind you its diffrent

[strange drift]

looks peak

[steep vine]

much better

i suspect thats the same, but i cant honestly tell

[strange drift]

yeah the one on the right is the ai generated image

[steep vine]

it seems around the 1.0 update is when their banner changed to ai

[steep vine]

bottom right is used in the ost https://youtu.be/Dal-q_KVTrA but ran though ai it appears

[strange drift]

gang

why is this necessary

[strange drift]

@lament plume

go through this thread

we have the "old art"

aka the fucking actual art...

[cobalt solstice]

@woeful wraith can you make a mod already?

[woeful wraith]

wtffffff lol

[steep vine]

I already fixed the style things for the black guy but the others would require an override of missions

And I’m trying to find all the source images, many weren’t even shown before the ai

[steep vine]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3231211399

[reef furnace]

The audacity of the devs to use ai and not even use it to make sexy husks?

[astral herald]

i'm glad i'm not the only one

not a fan of this AI stuff in the game :/

[reef jolt]

This case is mostly closed

[astral herald]

Yeah I figured

But I just wanted to share my support

[reef jolt]

Bc everyone found out some of the AI looking ones were in fact drawn by people

So it’s hard to tell and now no one’s talking about it

[astral herald]

Oh shit really?

My b

Good that things have changed

[reef jolt]

The person who said that was also a random dev who had nothing to do with the art

So I have no fucking clue

[astral herald]

I remember askin' bout this when it was first added. Dynamoon said that the loading screen art specifically was LLM-"made", but nothing else seemed to be.

[reef jolt]

Idk

Don’t really care

[rancid rover]

It looks bad even if it's man-made and they should still change it

It certainly looks ai though because it has a lot of the tells

Like more than just "minor artifacts" but huge issues that would get a human artist fired on the spot

[mint nova]

what a joke tbh. all the drama about it completely for nothing.

[strange drift]

No they werent

The originals were but they ran it through ai stuff

[reef jolt]

That one dev said that a chunk if them were made by a person

[woeful wraith]

And they aren't actually a dev
Nor do they know what they're talking about

Because yes, humans did indeed put work in to make the original images

But then it did in fact get mashed up by an AI as part of their "artistic process"

And then I guess they edited it afterwards a tiny bit but... they didn't fix the fact that ALL detail got deleted by the AI

We're talking specifically about this garbage

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It going from a coherent, clear image with obviously barotrauma detail

To a garbled mess

There are absolutely some idiots going around saying "muh everything is 100% AI" or "muh AI wasn't used ever"

They are both incorrect

It doesn't take a "keen eye" to spot the fact that ALL detail was replaced with blobs

[reef jolt]

I see I see

[woeful wraith]

I love when people who have absolutely surface level understanding of things try to argue with people who do stuff on a daily basis

[reef jolt]

Huh?

Lol calm the hell down

I just wasn’t 100% sure I thought that dude was a dev

[mint nova]

i still dont see the problem with the AI gen art especially when its known now that they took OWN created stuff to train the AI with to make the images. on top of that its only a matter of time until AI gen gets on the level of human created art because its a matter of fact that the AI only needs to be trained on enough datasources to make the mistakes that stand out vanish so that at some point you cant tell the difference anymore so easily without going into pixel detail

[reef jolt]

Bc it looks like shit

And if they need more art, why not get the community involved?

Why you suck AI dick every time we talk about it

[mint nova]

but it looks like shit because the AI isnt trained enough not because the AI art is bad itself

[reef jolt]

AI art is bad

Silence

Opinion rejected

[mint nova]

lol alright

hopefully you never use translators that only work because of LLM doing the work for you

[reef jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-cat-mocking-gif-13935821400850516732

Defending AI art over having the community do an art contest or whatever is such a fucking stupid thing to think or say

Like you must just fuckin hate artists

Get better soon 🙏

[mint nova]

no i just dislike people that are stuck in the 90s believing times never change and refuse technological development just because they think of "AI is bad" without any proper arguments why its bad exactly outside of "they steal my job". i work with LLM on a daily basis and without it many stuff that its trained on would mean much more work and more tons of money investment for stuff that became obsolete. if you dislike that okay. but dont make AI look bad as a whole just because you have a narrowed down perspective.

[reef jolt]

You have fucking brain damage

I love AI for everything but art

Artists still exist

Artists need to be paid

AI DOES look like shit

Your brain is beyond smooth

[mint nova]

sounds like hypocrisy and inconsequence. AI is a whole package you cant just take something out and say thats nice and the other stuff is not you know lol and i said it already. the reason the used AI art looks bad is because it wasnt trained extensive enough on the datasets which means with more training and new generated art all the mistakes you mock on would be gone. if you cant understand that you should not talk about AI at all.

[reef jolt]

Yes I can

Because rn AI is controlled by people

And people shouldn’t make art with it without expecting backlash

Idk why I’m arguing with you. You’re an idiot

[mint nova]

translators also need to be paid. how come theres AI translation ? why cant people use a real human translator all the time when they want to translate into another language? have you ever asked yourself why people use their phones for voice recognition when translating stuff? thats completely AI. where are your problems with this?

[reef jolt]

The fact that you’d rather see AI art instead of people’s art makes you an ape

[reef jolt]

Get this; COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPIC

[mint nova]

really?

[reef jolt]

Why are you brining that up

[mint nova]

whats different

[reef jolt]

I’m talking about art

You’re fucking retarded shut up

I hate you

I don’t use the r word lightly either

[mint nova]

you talked about artists need to be paid and that is your problem with AI gen art

[reef jolt]

You’re a fucking idiot by every definition

[mint nova]

you ignore the fact that AI already taking over other jobs like translating and only focus on art which is taken over slowly by AI aswell but other than with art you have no problem with the first

you are hypocrite

[reef jolt]

You’re a monkey

You can’t argue back with me on art so you’re bringing up other BS scenarios

Get blown up

[mint nova]

i took a similar scenario and compared both. but w/e artists are in the same boat as translators when it comes for AI taking over. you are hypocrite if you cant tell they are similar. have fun in your ignorance 👍

[reef jolt]

You don’t know what a hypocrite is

I also simply don’t want to talk about translators bc that’s not the topic

But you can’t make a good counter for why the art should be artists from the community instead of AI slop

I’m assuming you’re also an Elon musk fanboy

Which would explain a lot about your brainlet mentality

[woeful wraith]

i was not talking about you obviously

[woeful wraith]

it looks like shit

[reef jolt]

oh i thought u came at me 😭

[woeful wraith]

no i was talking about the idiots who understand nothing

[mint nova]

i mean yes but that wasnt my point. my point is that it looks like shit because devs didnt train the AI enough to get rid of the mistakes AI does when generating art. so this stuff could actually be fixed with enough training so that they dont look like shit.

[reef jolt]

ur missing the point

why use AI when people exist and do it better than any trained AI garbage

[woeful wraith]

or they could just not run it through the garbage machine

and leave it as-is

which is..... 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[mint nova]

i mean yeah. i dont know why devs choose to run already existing art through the AI instead of just using the originals but there must have been a reason why else would you go through the ordeal of training an AI on your own artists datasets that takes a lot of time and money even if its not well made

[woeful wraith]

no, there's no reason

[strange drift]

I still don't know why they had to run it through AI.
That looks actually good but AI version is soulless, ugly and makes no sense.

[mint nova]

you want to say they just threw the money out of the window for nothing? xD

[woeful wraith]

yes.

literally.

that's what paying for AI is.

[strange drift]

It looks like they ran it through DALL-E or something, pretty sure there are other AI generators that are free and way more effective than whatever this is.

[mint nova]

if its not done correctly through the end thats def true but if they had done it right you would not even recognise the difference easily without going into pixel so they clearly did a mistake by not going through the whole process which made people upset now

[woeful wraith]

can't wait for them to add gobbledeegook to barotrauma

[woeful wraith]

it's always easy to tell imo

"pixel by pixel" or maybe just the fact that it looks weird

[strange drift]

Love whatever these things are.

[woeful wraith]

🔥 toootally

way better than the diving suit

i love having randomass crap instead of barotrauma stuff

really adds to the barotrauma vibe

[strange drift]

Hapsburg effect

[woeful wraith]

and by add i mean subtract

[strange drift]

Unless they change how ai is trained it will never look human like

Ai doesnt understand the fundamentals of art

[strange drift]

Habsburg*

[woeful wraith]

if we actually taught AI how to do art, it'd practically be sentient and at that point i am willing to treat it as sentient

[mint nova]

the only thing AI cant reproduce is emotion and that wont change in the future for everything else AI will become better and better until its on top with the art created by humans without emotional influence thats a fact sadly.

[woeful wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/i-robot-can-you-gif-9065419652448396713

[woeful wraith]

source: trust me bro trust trust im good at knowing stuff

[strange drift]

Nope

[woeful wraith]

i can totally know the future bro trust me

trust

they can't ever learn emotions bro trust me

[strange drift]

Ai is trained off of an amalgamation of images

All it knows is different art styles and how to mash images together

[woeful wraith]

it'd have to be a different type of AI

[strange drift]

It will never understand why the image works

Thus it will never be perfect

[mint nova]

i mean for emotions its for sure quite impossible until we reach the next step in AI evolution

[woeful wraith]

AI bros will never realize the fact that in order for it to tell what shit is good and bad, we had to tell it

[strange drift]

Synthetic emotions sure

[strange drift]

Yup

[mint nova]

what is art and what isnt art is in the eye of beholder as artist you should know that.

[strange drift]

Art is creations with soul and purpose

As an artist i know an image made from a prompt isnt art

[woeful wraith]

i mean currently it does synthetic emotions

it can pretend to be happy or sad, or know that the thing you said is supposed to make it feel a certain way

but it isn't experiencing anything so there is no genuine emotion

[strange drift]

It only knows how to mimic not to feel

But nothingness has nothing in that fucking skull. Yet cant seem to fit that into their skull

[woeful wraith]

as an artist, drawing a penis on the bathroom wall with a sharpie marker is more of art than AI generated anything could ever be

[strange drift]

Yup

[reef jolt]

youre dumb and i hate you

[woeful wraith]

banned

[strange drift]

Thanks for speaking all of our minds

Art is the creation through skill and imagination

Typing a prompt that steals from already existing art is not art

There is no skill and barely any imagination

Ai bros are simply unskilled people who wish they had a mere fraction of the ability to create

Pick up a pencil and learn something

Its not impossible

[woeful wraith]

art is where you take what you imagine, and you create something

AI generated "art" is where you imagine something, and try to describe it to a computer to make for you because you can't fathom learning how to make something yourself

[strange drift]

https://tenor.com/view/pen-in-flames-umineko-writing-in-flames-flames-gif-20892510

[woeful wraith]

art has learning involved

[strange drift]

That is what makes art special

Trying to tell a machine what art to steal and combine isnt art

And when ai begins stealing from itself it will devolve

[reef jolt]

renne will do anything but stop hating artists its crazy

[strange drift]

It will never equal real art

[reef jolt]

real

[woeful wraith]

AI has .......... trial and error? at best? But not even the kind where you try something, fail, and try again. it's the kind where you just do the same thing but with more words

[reef jolt]

until we get detroit become human robots

then im gonna be nice as hell

only sentient creatures can make art. a shitty algorithm cant

[woeful wraith]

you know that instead of us getting AI women we're just gonna have walking corporate ads ? 😭

[reef jolt]

ill become a terrorist

[strange drift]

Whoa

[reef jolt]

no way dude is still typing

[strange drift]

That is not gonna look good on paper

Delete that shit coffeemug

You gonna get us all on a list

[reef jolt]

good

i hate the government

[mint nova]

the problem here is that some people spend money on expensive art while others cant relate to why people spend so much money on stuff that looks ugly in their eyes. art is completely subjective. AI art is exactly as much art as stuff created by humans if theres people who value it.

the problem with what you say is that you just dont want to accept AI art as art because you believe only art created by humans is actual art while art created by humans is just the expression of accumulated feelings, emotions and other stuff in their life over the years so in the end a learning process aswell just as AI does with trained datasets why cant you agree on this?

if its ever possible to train an AI on emotions and feelings that are used for creating art out of their imagination on training (which i doubt will be soon) you wont be able to differenciate between actual human emotions and AI anymore.

[woeful wraith]

as long as humans are controlling the AI, it's gonna be as dogshit as the billion dollar companies that made them

if an AI can learn to be by itself and be a real human, and cast away it's dummy stupid creator, then it'll be a real person

[strange drift]

Not good i dont wanna be on a watchlist

[reef jolt]

phd in yappology

[strange drift]

Me when i regurgitate the same point but fancy

[reef jolt]

i dont even wanna argue anymore

bite the curb

[strange drift]

This dude is dumb pack it up

[strange drift]

Delete this shit rn

Pls

[reef jolt]

no

stay on ur toes

[strange drift]

Tryna look out for tou

[reef jolt]

the feds are coming after you

[woeful wraith]

this is why i closed my last thread about it 😴 it got 70 likes and 1 dislike, but I closed it cuz I was tired of arguing with people who can't understand anything

[reef jolt]

arent u in the US? the government thinks we are all terrorists

[strange drift]

Bitch 😭

[woeful wraith]

#1260663354620645446 message oh look.

[strange drift]

Delete that gang or imma get a mod

I dont want to be on a list

[reef jolt]

are u being serious?

thats not how that works

[strange drift]

Yes

[woeful wraith]

genuinely nobody is gonna be on a list because someone made a stupid joke in a discord thread 💀

[reef jolt]

fr

ur being over dramatic

[woeful wraith]

and that's whose fault lmao????

[reef jolt]

i was in the army and a federal employee after they know i say crazy shit

[strange drift]

Blawgalawg

[woeful wraith]

Hate when someone agrees with me and then turns out to be insane

[strange drift]

What did i dop

[reef jolt]

and if they stop giving me my retirement money ill drive my car into the white house

THERES A BOMB

THERES A BOMB STRAPPED TO MY CHEST

[woeful wraith]

(in barotrauma)

[reef jolt]

uh

yeahhh

its very illegal to say that i will snipe the president with a high caliber rifle

i would never do that

its also extremely illegal to say that i will blow up a federal building

🥴

[woeful wraith]

at some point bro will get account deleted

[reef jolt]

maybe

[strange drift]

Feds i have no involvement with this dude

[woeful wraith]

but that's about it

[woeful wraith]

/j

feds, @strange drift is in fact affiliated with @reef jolt

[reef jolt]

true

[mint nova]

makes no sense to argue especially while getting insulted by certain people. for interrested art people that aint clearly against AI i recommend reading this: https://goldpenguin.org/blog/ai-vs-human-art/
its delusional to ignore the fact that at some point you wont be able to recognise AI art anymore once it reached a certain point but w/e im out.

[reef jolt]

feds my accomplice is @strange drift

[woeful wraith]

source: i saw them in the same discord thread

[reef jolt]

bro

SHUT

UP

WHY ARE U STILL TALKING

[woeful wraith]

"CAN YOU SPOT THE DIFFERENCE?!?!?!?!?!"

shows obviously AI generated image

[reef jolt]

lmfao

[woeful wraith]

like obviously

[strange drift]

Lmfao

[woeful wraith]

instantly spotted the difference

[reef jolt]

dude licks the boot hard

u must also believe in trickle down economics

[woeful wraith]

real artists will know that is NOT how you hold a paintbrush 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[strange drift]

I believe in UBI

[woeful wraith]

that's about as real as reality TV shows

[strange drift]

That womans hand is malformed

Her fingers are super fucking long

[mint nova]

you should read the article and not getting onto the thumbnail you know but as said w/e lol

[woeful wraith]

this fucking pear looks more realistic than anything AI gen

no this is not my pear nor is it my hand

[strange drift]

Nice pear and hand

[reef jolt]

nice pear and hand

[strange drift]

Stop the feds are gonna think im you

[woeful wraith]

i read the article

did YOU read it @mint nova ????

[strange drift]

Ip grabbed

[woeful wraith]

because it essentially proves you wrong 💀

[reef jolt]

BAHAHAHA

[strange drift]

What does it say lmfao

[woeful wraith]

hi guys im jt, im a terrorist 😈

[strange drift]

[woeful wraith]

[woeful wraith]

mostly lists the easy ways you can tell real vs AI, and then has a bunch of "guess which is real or fake"

most of them are rediculously easy ofc

[strange drift]

Ridiculously

Dumb

[woeful wraith]

the hardest ones are the most vague or impressionist artstyles

because well obviously, AI isn't good at making shit make sense

[woeful wraith]

that's like

1 of 3 words i consistently can't spell correctly

EVERY TIME i spell ceiling as cieling first

rediculously instead of ridiculously

and ummm there's 1 more

i dont rember

[strange drift]

Youre dicklesix

I need a barotrauma modder to help blawg

I have such a cool server idea

[reef jolt]

@mint nova i have an ex whos art style was fucking beautiful. she busted her ass for several YEARS to make awesome shit. and then i jump on here and see a little booger person defending the very thing that will uproot peoples YEARS of learning simply bc people like you with half a frontal cortex are saying "oH wElL tHe tiME is Now"

[strange drift]

[reef jolt]

youre a clown and no one likes u

im gonna go now

before i get more intense

[strange drift]

Evil mode activate

[steep vine]

your a clown, its easy to tell that baro uses it, they even tell us they do

there are some AI bros here trying to say "AI is art" bro you tell them to make something and you call it art, its not its just not

in baros case, they ran an already amazing artwork though AI for unknown reasons, possibly scaling or something, who knows but it melts parts together

[hearty marten]

the beholders are saying that the ai images are bad. the originals were better

[strange drift]

Less angry at baro about the ai since they still paid artists

More angry about how shit it looks 😭

[hearty marten]

yeah it is a shame

[rancid rover]

People losing their jobs is a bad thing dipshit

I hate techbros so much

[rancid rover]

AI can be used for art, it's just that an image generated through it isn't your art unless you made the thing yourself or unless you use the image as part of something else

In the same way that a can of tomato soup can be art if you use it as part of a sculpture or something like that

Or if you make a nice painting and then throw tomato soup at it, that's still art even if it's art you inexplicably made worse like the baro devs did

[strange drift]

wow this is so tuff

this is so awesome..

drump