Proposed changes to ammo recipes and new types

[mortal pier]

Explosive slugs are pretty useless for what they are worth. Swap out the incendium crystal for a brick of UEX to make the recipe a little more viable.

An additional recipe for the "Don't push it" skill that makes use of incendium could be an incendiary round capable of burning underwater, having a chance to ignite targets from within (deals burn damage over time for 3-5 seconds). It requires Incendium, plastic and phosphorus for 6 shells. Significantly lesser range than other shell types but well worth the expense when dealing with ballast flora or fractals (deals bonus damage/higher immolation chance)

"Arms race" grants depleted fuel ammo for small arms. It would only be natural to include a DF shotgun slug and round out the core 3 ammo types in barotrauma. A singular projectile that can easily drop a mudraptor or mantis.

"Weapon artisan" currently improves your weapon quality by a factor of one. Kinda shit for a tier 3 skill, especially when the only weapons an engineer can fabricate are harpoon guns and the big ol fissile gun. I propose that an engineer with this skill is given the ability to craft weapons that have been unlocked by security or the captain, however it requires the presence of said crew members in the server (they must also be alive and within the sub) for the recipe to work.

[mellow cloud]

Explosive slugs are the most powerful ammo in the game that isnt grenades btw

[true vault]

Yeah, you're really underselling them.

[warm summit]

They are?

[mellow cloud]

yeah

[warm summit]

Never really felt that great to me compared to buckshot

A lot of flash and no bang

[mellow cloud]

load an autoshotgun full of them and you can kill god

[warm summit]

Thats what i always do

[mellow cloud]

its my go to for clearing outpost guards when I'm bored

[warm summit]

Mostly because i have an incendium surplus

[mellow cloud]

as it melts them

[warm summit]

I just wack them with batons

[mortal pier]

That incendium is better reserved for welding fuel and nukes

[true vault]

People use incendium for welding?

Ethanol gets very cheap in late game.

I can agree about the nukes, though. If you are using a railgun, those are fun.

[polar turtle]

Btw

What do you mean with burning them from within?

[mortal pier]

It's used for flamethrowers

[polar turtle]

How would that work?

[mortal pier]

Deals damage over time, even while underwater (chance dependant, based on weapon skill(

It's basically just setting them on fire

[polar turtle]

Do you know how fire works?

Not under water

[mortal pier]

That shit burns underwater

[polar turtle]

No

There's no fucking oxygen

[mortal pier]

Hmmm, how bout switching out the phosphorus with aluminium and iron

Thermite is used for underwater welding irl

[polar turtle]

It is

[mortal pier]

Pretty sure WP can't be put out by water

[polar turtle]

But are you trying to cover them in it and set them on fire or something?

Second problem

Is heat

[mortal pier]

It would be impossible to depict it as "burning from within"

[polar turtle]

But why?

[mortal pier]

But I'm sure they could just make an effect similar to the flare emit from the target

I want to commit war crimes with incendiary munitions and it's a damn shame we don't have enough ammo variety for small arms

[polar turtle]

Eh

We don't need more variety

We got shotgun

Nonlethal shotgun

Explosive shotgun

.

Revolver

Better revolver

.

Giant revolver

.

Smg

Better smg

.

Mp

Better mp

.

Rifel.

.

[mortal pier]

The Geneva convention doesn't cover underwater creatures

[polar turtle]

Grenade

Like 4 of em

[mortal pier]

I'll do as I please and set their asses ablaze with my shotgun

[polar turtle]

No

Why

[mortal pier]

Why not?

[polar turtle]

Cuss it gets too complicated at some point

You don't need ammo for every damage type

That's noring

[true vault]

Causing burns with your shots is fine, pretty neat. We have radiation for it, though.

[warm summit]

But muh dragons breath

https://tenor.com/view/real-shotgun-shoot-fire-bang-gif-16211419

[mortal pier]

Cleanse the depths with holy fire

[plucky hollow]

uh uh uhm incendium burns powerful enough to rip the oxygen out of the water

[polar turtle]

No

Incendium grenades don't work underwater

[visual void]

You seemingly dont

There are enough substances reactive enough to steal the oxygen from water to burn

[polar turtle]

But not incendium

Also it is questionable if that works in someone's darm

[visual void]

Darm?

[visual void]

Who knows

[polar turtle]

Do incendium grenades work underwater?

[visual void]

I havent seen definite proof of either option

[polar turtle]

The want to make a burning wound

[visual void]

Ic 4 does

[polar turtle]

Cuss thats a fucking block of c4 with a hot glued incendium cristal

[visual void]

Yeah i know, i just dont know what you mean by darm

[visual void]

I know

[polar turtle]

Language barrier prob

The thing between the mouth and the ass

[visual void]

There could be a lot of options on composition that could warrant incendium to be able to burn underwater

[polar turtle]

I'd even know how

[visual void]

You speak german?

[polar turtle]

Yes

[visual void]

Oh ok

Das erklärts

[polar turtle]

Lol

Ja

[visual void]

Das englische wort für darm ist colon 👍

[polar turtle]

Ah ok

Danke

[visual void]

Kein ding

Ist nicht ganz selbsterklärenf hahaha

[polar turtle]

If you combine incendium with oxygen it's it might work

[visual void]

Ist meines wissens der lateinische begriff

[polar turtle]

I don't want more ammo options tho

[visual void]

Yes

Or some sort of oxidizer

[polar turtle]

Is nich alles irgendwie Latein?

Yea

[visual void]

Ja haha

[visual void]

True, thats what mods are for

[polar turtle]

Excactly

[mellow cloud]

Doesnt seem to with the new unstable ones at least

5 cm of water stopped it from doing any noticeable damage to the dastardly separatists

[wispy geyser]

Damn, incendium Nerf?

I remember them dealing a ton of damage when I was throwing them underwater

[mellow cloud]

grenades got changed a bit

I think it was panmans PR

but the highlight is cookable grenades

do not hold grenades and open a door

[merry cloud]

ic-4 is c-4 with incendium in it yes

however, the incendium part also clearly works underwater considering that the incendium component combusts too

like if incendium didn't work underwater then ic-4 underwater would just be like regular c-4

also i'm pretty sure the reason incendium grenades don't work underwater is because they don't just use a big block of incendium

it's likely powder which is expelled outward very fast

and very hot

the powder would probably not be able to sustain a reaction with the water because they don't have enough thermal mass

it cools down too quick

[polar turtle]

It doesn't, ic4 has a weaker boom than regular c4

[wispy geyser]

maybe but it deals more burn damage. smaller radius higher damage

also incendium seems to be self oxidising. it just burns slow

the rooms have no oxygen in the air