2 QOL inprovements

[brittle obsidian]

1. being able to update submarines mid playthrough would be really nice
   its a big pain in the ass trying to make a submarine and having to restart a campaign just to have to grind missions, kill a buch of dudes and get to the second area
   and buy your tier 2 sub and test it just to find something else does not work and repeat
   2.. an NPC command for how many rods should be in the reactor for SP i think would be nice
   im currently using the typhon and people shit on the Dugong for that submarines power "problems"? the typhoon is worse unless you are using 2 rods or more and let me remind you that's currently impossible to ask an NPC to do

i beg of you baro devs PLEESE implement these QOL inprovements in the next update i beg of you

[sand rain]

Im not 100% sure but I think that updating mid game is not possible.

[static topaz]

Updating subs will never be added, as it can be used to cheat

Like you could start in a sub that is worse than the barsuk, and update it to be the Berilla or something

[brittle obsidian]

Simply make it not only optinal but if you do mid game update it disables atchevements

[static topaz]

Then you may aswell just use the console

[brittle obsidian]

There are no console commands i know up to update a sub mid game

[static topaz]

You have to save it as a different sub or package

[neon crow]

I miss barocraftables

[static topaz]

It is still a mod

There is even Barocraftables+

[neon crow]

When i tried it, the game just broke

Also heard reports that its bonk

Hasnt been maintained in a while

[static topaz]

It mostly works

NPCs may pick up storages and move them

But that may be my mods

[brittle obsidian]

Why are you guys talking about this here? Go to gen

[static topaz]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2499918466&searchtext=Barocraftables

It is updated

[neon crow]

Barocraftables allows for on the fly modifications to your sub

Hence me bringing it up

You can even take apart other subs like wrecks for their items and apply it to your own

[golden quarry]

I would suggest testing your submarine with a mission on sandbox before using it in a campaign

Typically, you should pick up any issues

And leaving any wiring unlocked to fix any other snags mid campaign

[hushed steppe]

agree

i typically do at least an hour of test runs with another person with me

[drowsy coyote]

You may aswell create 1 mk. Typhon 2 with 10x hull health

[static topaz]

It being 1 mk is very hard to do

[drowsy coyote]

This has already been discussed, and you can't be 100% accurate
https://discord.com/channels/103209684680323072/1180415773609578556

[zinc elk]

campaign would need to record the changes made in campaign rather than store an independent copy of the submarine
which would introduce more issues

[somber marlin]

1. You can start with any submarine, in multiplayer it just allows you, in SP you need to enable debugdraw before starting compaign

You can swap submarines midgame by using save editor, its not hard

2. The value for this already exists in code, its just not made available to player and instead just hardcoded so bots wait till power output is 2 times under the load

private bool NeedMoreFuel(float minimumOutputRatio, float minCondition = 0f)

minimumOutputRatio decides at which point bots load more fuel, but its just hardcoded to 0.5

[drowsy coyote]

Save editor is third-party software

[somber marlin]

so

it is a cheat , who cares

[somber marlin]

Actually minimumOutputRatio doesnt even matter, bots are hardcoded to place ONE fuel rod into the reactor and no more

[golden quarry]

So this entire thread is a duplicate then 😛
But at that point, it's just snags - I usually push an updated version of the sub after a campaign onto the workshop with those fixes. And they aren't really game-breaking enough to need replacement, it's just little things. Swapping sub versions mid campaign would be interesting but way too much stuff to take into account to be a practical use of dev's time.

[white rapids]

Development time is worth considering for any feature, yeah.

[karmic heath]

Stupid argument as you can still cheat in a campaign, disable achievements for the play session, save your cheated progress and just restart the game

A simple option to refresh your own submarine from the same file if you found an issue later in testing would be a lifechsnger

[zinc elk]

lazy solution: a resetsub command that replaces the campaign copy with an untouched copy straight from the .sub (losing all campaign progress made so far)

probably possible with lua

[verbal crater]

I just host random public mission mode lobbies and get feedback from everyone before i close the lobby about what was good and what needs changing about the sub

[white rapids]

Barotrauma actually lies to you when it says that achievements are disabled for the current session. What it means is that they're disabled for the save file, forever. (Unless you edit that value manually.)
Remember, kids:
Cheating with mods and other custom content:
Cheating with the console:

Why?

[somber marlin]

Because you can reenable achievements with mods anyway

[white rapids]

There's no point in complicating the process when installing an OP submarine is a much more reliable way of trivializing the campaign.

[static topaz]

I mean I hate it when games disable achievements when you are using mods

Like some gamews (Fallout 4) the game is so boring and buggy without mods

[white rapids]

Yea, I'm not advocating for Barotrauma to disable achievements on modded saves. I'm saying the decision to make console commands disable achievements was stupid.

[static topaz]

True

Not like the achievements are special

[white rapids]

One thing console commands are good for is making up for bullshit caused by bugs.

[static topaz]

They are just kill this, recruit this

Do round as this

[lofty mantle]

Save updated sub with new name, buy in campaign and click 'transfer items'

[drowsy coyote]

The point is to add a function that do the same, but with lesser pain in a butt

[zinc elk]

> play 1/5th of the game just to get your submarine you want to test
please don't tell me you're actually doing this instead of making the test submarine useable as a starter submarine

[brittle obsidian]

a big submarine has better testing with a full crew and if i wanted only 2 people to test the sub i would use the test future in the sub editor

[zinc elk]

then start a campaign with your sub and just cheat in extra crew/money?

[brittle obsidian]

console is ass and not fun

[zinc elk]

sounds like a you issue
at the moment it's easier to do it that way than to start a campaign with some other sub and grind your way to getting the sub you actually want to test

[brittle obsidian]

at the momment...witch is why im asking for le features above

[hushed steppe]

okay but they're just giving you a solution

[brittle obsidian]

dont get snarky with me

[zinc elk]

how would you feel about this way
I'm working on this at the moment

[hushed steppe]

?

[brittle obsidian]

its a pun

[hushed steppe]

i'm not being snarky though

[brittle obsidian]

i know i just wanted the pun

[hushed steppe]

i'm telling you that they're not telling you it shouldn't be added

they're giving you a solution to your problem that can be implemented right now

[brittle obsidian]

it should it would make it so much easier and we have alreaty said its not cheating as we can just turn off atchevements when a sub is updated

[karmic heath]

Interestingly ive still gotten achievements in a cheated campaign without editing files

[karmic heath]

Exactly

[karmic heath]

Like revived myself and a friend after we stupidly died to a bug into a 1 hour round etc

Maybe it was some sort of other bug that caused achievements to still be enabled, idk

Didnt use any mods that would chsnge the way achievements work

But as far as i remember, you could also just give yourself achievements if you make your own mod as it is done by simple code you can see if you edit the base game files

[verbal crater]

in multiplayer it's only disabled until you restart the game

[hushed steppe]

i usually have to have cheats enabled to fix bugs and issues

i'll admit i'm occasionally guilty of giving myself the missing 2 titanium to finish my crafting chain

[white rapids]

Interesting to know that it works differently between the two categories of saves.

[copper vector]

I knew a guy who managed to edit a sub mid campaign using a save decompiler or something like that. Also you can just make a fixed version of your sub cost 1 credit and switch to it.

[neon crow]

Yep

Pretty easy to do

All you have to do is load up the save file in the editor
Download the sub file from the save file

Load that sub file and change shit to your hearts content

And then after that you can reinsert your edited sub into the campaign again and redownload the save file with the edits

[white rapids]

I was going to suggest the second one, but there's one inconvenience to this method. It requires you to be at an outpost which sells that submarine.

[karmic heath]

Yeah thats what i meant

Was talking about multiplayer all along, could have clarified that better

[coral ridge]

Will be used to cheat

Submarine editor is a modding tool not a gameplay feature

It would require a lot of work to make it not break any semblance of balance

It would be like saying Minecraft creative mode is not cheating in survival mode basically

The second bit about fuel rod amount true

Maybe it'll stop the stereotype of more than 1 fuel rod is griefing

[golden quarry]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-gif-26736068

[hushed steppe]

xd

[brittle obsidian]

Lol i just made a crafting recipie for that so now you dont have to cheat

[hushed steppe]

how do you make titanium from iron, carbon, and silicon

titanium is an element

[neon crow]

Sci fi

[static topaz]

Titanium is so easy to get

Just steal some dive suits

[hushed steppe]

real

[static topaz]

Dive suits are super easy to get

You just need a station, a room with just a dive suit, a wielder and a cutter

You could even breakdown armour and breakdown the fibers

[white rapids]

Just visit a mining outpost once every 2 biomes.

[static topaz]

Or that

[lone basin]

Your problem with rods and power has an easy solution:

1. As you progress through the game you get more and better resources. This means you are not supposed to run your endgame sub off of a single normal quality uranium rod.
2. Regarding bots, what you can do is NOT give the engi the order to operate the reactor and do the following: set it to manual (preferrably controlling the engi in singleplayer), lower the fission rate, insert more rods, make sure it is stable and then set it to auto.
   Of course this means you have to be aware of how much fuel you have left (can to that with wiring)

[golden quarry]

using it no issues

[white rapids]

You can also switch away from uranium entirely.

Thorium rods are actually pretty cheap, as far as reactor fuel goes.

But yea, bots should probably prioritize achieving max reactor output, even with uranium.

[coral ridge]

You can move away from uranium but you'll always have it and want to use it

[white rapids]

Use it all for ammo.