Karma System Rework Idea (Idea for Framing Griefers or Traitors)

[undone escarp]

People Could Farm that in a way but who the hell cares. they should play the game as they wanna play it and that's fine.

[coarse steppe]

Just remove it

[undone escarp]

Remove What?

[coarse steppe]

Karma

Its for lazy hosts

[undone escarp]

That Threat is not only about Karma, it's about framing bad People in general

[coarse steppe]

If we don't have Karma, we will have less issues

[undone escarp]

Would be Cool to Frame a Genuine Griefer or Troll and then get paid for it

[undone escarp]

This Threat also Regards for Playthroughs that Don't use Karma

[coarse steppe]

So if someone rewires O2 so its only on when a room is low, the game could see it as griefing?

[undone escarp]

Not the Game

The Captain

[coarse steppe]

But how does the game know that they are griefing?

[undone escarp]

Captain can Take Info from others and then Frame them if needed

[undone escarp]

The Game Doesnt, The Captain does

The Captain Can take all the Opinions and Info from other crew-members to then frame someone with Red Text For their Name

So then Security can Dispatch them

[coarse steppe]

But then how does the game pay someone if a greifer is put into the spotlight?

[undone escarp]

Talents like "by the Book"

[coarse steppe]

The game still needs to see if someone is a greifer or if they are just doing their job

[undone escarp]

The Game Doesnt, The Captain only has to

[coarse steppe]

No

[undone escarp]

As the Captain will have the power to mark people as griefers

the Game doesn't give people Red-Tags

The Captain Will

[coarse steppe]

As the captain could just say someone who said that they are bad at their job is a greifer

[undone escarp]

And Frame them? Yes pretty much

[coarse steppe]

So how does the game KNOW if they are a greifer

[undone escarp]

The Game Doesnt, The Captain only has to

[coarse steppe]

The game still needs to know so the captain does not abuse it

[undone escarp]

why should the game know that you Griefed or not?

[undone escarp]

Why?

[coarse steppe]

Bruh, can you not think or read?

[undone escarp]

Why?

[coarse steppe]

How does the game make sure the captain not abuse something like that?

[undone escarp]

Why does the Game need to know that?

You Dumbass.

[coarse steppe]

Like I could just say "Cap, can you at least watch where are you going" after we crashed into a wall for the 100th time, and what is stopping the cap from marking me a greifer?

[undone escarp]

Nothing

[coarse steppe]

Thats the issue

[undone escarp]

aside from Crew-members maybe Speaking up against it

[coarse steppe]

How does the game make sure the cap does not abuse it

[undone escarp]

what if that guy has the best talents

or was a really nice guy

then people can revolt or speak up

[coarse steppe]

And the cap could still mark then as a greifer

[coarse steppe]

How, when most crews don't let anyone other than sec get guns?

[undone escarp]

Then Captain becomes Cuffed.

[coarse steppe]

Nope

As sec will always be on the cap's side

[undone escarp]

If Captain Kicks then it's his issue

[undone escarp]

Not when Sec witnesses a Downpour of cuffed Personell like that.

[coarse steppe]

Nope

[jade ferry]

Automated moderation sucks balls

Current Karma sucks balls

and it will continue to

[coarse steppe]

Remove karma

Don't let caps have the power to mark people as a greifer

[undone escarp]

That's why i made the threat of saying "If someone Griefes, you can atleast make it interesting"

[coarse steppe]

Just leave it to the host to kick/ban greifers

[undone escarp]

Wheres the Joy in that?

[coarse steppe]

You are still new to Baro

Play public servers not as the host

[undone escarp]

i would love to get 200 XP and 1250 Marks for cuffing a Red-Tagged griefer

[coarse steppe]

Learn how people treat MP

[undone escarp]

The Fuck are you Smoking

[coarse steppe]

Still

You don't know MP that well

[undone escarp]

i literally have 50% of my hours as security

the other 50% as mechanic

[coarse steppe]

Infact I am just going to block you, due to how shit this suggestion is, as you 100% don't know how MP is like

[undone escarp]

I think you forgot what this is all about

[undone escarp]

alright nice.

Now this threat is littered with nonsense

But basically TL;DR

Captain Can Frame Griefers or Trolls with their name being Red for others to take care of them

Talents like "By the Book" will be Triggered by this and will reward players for Cuffing Live players that were Griefers or Trolls

this doesn't only Apply to Karma Mode. This Applies to Everywhere.

[coarse steppe]

Also @jade ferry no point trying to get him to see logic, as you can't fix stupid

[jade ferry]

Issue is, karma doesn't really work as intended as its easy to avoid

People who get punished typically aren't griefers

and griefers just leave when they do

[coarse steppe]

Karma needs to just go, and don't give caps a way to mark people as greifers as that is also going to get abused

Infact, keep Karma

Use it as a warning for what servers people should avoid

[undone escarp]

I know that Karma is currently shit. But this is a mechanic i want to see in general if you understand this.

Not just Karma Mode. Normal Mode too (if that's what you want to call it)

idk why this Dumbass only talks about Karma system right now

[coarse steppe]

Also rule 9

#rules message

[undone escarp]

true

so you hold a grudge on me?

[feral jacinth]

I'd consider karma system to be a failed experiment. Like, you can see the idea behind it, but it's also impossible to account for all harmful and harmless actions in a game as complex as Barotrauma. What's bad for the crew in one situation is good for it in other cases.

We already have logs and an ability to ban people from the server. That's really all a host needs to keep the server enjoyable for normal players.
If you want to keep a player around, but are expecting them to do something bad, you can let the crew know to keep an eye on them without any special tools.

Sorry if I missed some important point in this discussion, but reading sentences with a bunch of capital letters scattered around in random places hurts.

[undone escarp]

it's ok and fine you got the main point fairly well.

my only bother is that "By the Book" is a very niche telent in barotrauma and i wanted to see if there would be a way to also get the benfitial pay in other ways

maybe i'll make a suggestion to be able to capture outpost factions and get paid for them with "by the book" when departing them to another station of the opposite faction

(i.e Coalition to Jovian)

[feral jacinth]

By The Book is pretty niche, that's true. I think part of it is that we don't have pirate submarines in the game, which previously was one of the ways to encounter human enemies in normal levels.

But the payouts for capturing people also aren't that huge, for how rarely you get a chance to do it.

[compact bison]

sec is very happy to powertrip my man

the more arrest the happier sec is

also here is an idea:

we have the traitor vote system

remake it as a grugde system

so we can vote on someone to be rednamed

and if less then a set amount of the crew vote the captian has a chance to give a final vote

so if someone is just a dick to everyone

but didnt do anything to trigger karma there still will be a way to punish them

and the vote should reset each turn bots shouldnt be able to be voted etc.

botes can also join a vote depending how much that player hit them with anythign

this way captian wont be able to powertrip

but it still has a living chance

[coarse steppe]

People just say yes, with out knowing anything else

[compact bison]

FUUUUUUUCK

i tried to fix it but i cant