Immersive Ignitables

[hushed crystal]

With Immersive Ignitables you'll need a lighter or an open fire to be able to make use of certain items.

Smoking also becomes more immersive by applying additional visual, particle and sound effects. You will now exhale smoke after taking a drag and depending on how long you inhaled, you will exhale smoke for a longer duration.

Ignited items will only burn as long as they are actively held or dropped on the floor. They will extinguish when they come in contact with water or when stored in your pockets or another container.

More details on the mod page:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3217556378

[feral pond]

Is it just me or the mod page is hidden?

[dark obsidian]

So wait, the subs only use oxygen in the air...

[frail fog]

just you

[hushed crystal]

had to push a quick hotfix so it's currently reanalyzing the content

[feral pond]

Ah, it's back now

[frail fog]

I wonder if the cigarettes and cigars have broken sprites

[hushed crystal]

they do

[frail fog]

pog

[hushed crystal]

cigarette has 9 and cigar has 7

[frail fog]

buh
that's way more than I thought

[dark obsidian]

@hushed crystal so...

[feral pond]

Anyway, love whatever you make man
Keep it up

[hushed crystal]

Let's just pretend the oxygen generator is capable of filtering the smoke out

[dark obsidian]

Buts is a fully oxygen area

The fire cannot be put out

[hushed crystal]

how does the flame of the welding tool stop?

[dark obsidian]

No idea

[hushed crystal]

magic

[tame iron]

Safe to add mid campaign, right?

[hushed crystal]

yes, but you should use the Update Campaign Store mod so you can buy the cigarettes. Otherwise they don't appear in currently existing shops and only get added to newly created outposts.

[cunning ether]

nice

[quaint jolt]

its very simple

artie dolittle shuts them off when you arent using them

[hushed crystal]

Artie simply is the MVP

[muted relic]

I actually think its just mislabelled as an "O2" generator because so many people belive the air we breathe is just oxygen. Never understood why so many diving related games always get this wrong lol

[hushed crystal]

true

[quaint jolt]

In this submarine we breath 100% oxygen

[dark obsidian]

You know oxygen is cancer causing right?

[dark obsidian]

Well what is nicer to see as a bar, oxygen or air?

[quaint jolt]

100% of people who got cancer have breathed oxygen

Ban oxygen

[dark obsidian]

So pure oxygen can oxygenate your cells which is bad for you as it can change your DNA

[quaint jolt]

oh you werent doing a bit

well good to know I guess

Wait

dont the diving bells use helium or something like that

[dark obsidian]

No idea, but a lot of driving stuff does use nitrogen to make sure there isn't too much oxygen in your blood

[quaint jolt]

nitrogen generator

[dark obsidian]

Nitrogen is very safe

Unless you have too much

[quaint jolt]

water is also safe

unless you have too much

[dark obsidian]

Pure water, no

[quaint jolt]

you get pure water on top of ketchup bottles

trust me

[dark obsidian]

It removes iron and other stuff needed to live

Tap water and water that you drink is safe

[quaint jolt]

if you are low on salt then drink some salt water (Do not do that)

[dark obsidian]

Bruh

I am now dead as I didn't read the ()

[quaint jolt]

rip

[muted relic]

air

[dark obsidian]

Well we found the 1% that no-one cares about

[sour grail]

Can we hope that the mod will become part of Hungry Europans?

[hushed crystal]

Not part of it but compatible by default. I'm currently adding the mood stuff from needs as an optional feature directly to HE so I don't have to do things twice anymore. The smokeables will then increase your mood if you play with that setting (or perhaps even decrease if your character dislikes it, if I can get dislikes to work)

[sour grail]

It would be nice to at least see cigarettes in vending machines of HE.

[tame iron]

Pretty sure you actually can breathe pure oxygen at like 20% of normal atmospheric pressure

[dark obsidian]

You ain't going to have a good time

[frail fog]

you can
the main issue will be that it is a fire hazard

[frail fog]

"life support" is a much better term because of how vague it is

[quaint jolt]

and when it breaks you can say that life supportn't when it doesn't work

[tame iron]

How so? If it's at 0.2 atm wouldn't there be the same amount of oxygen per volume of air for a fire to consume

[frail fog]

I see

I didn't look too much into it
just assumed it because it's a pure oxygen atmosphere

[tame iron]

I mean it might just also be mostly an O2 generator

If you're maintaining 1 atm of pressure with the gas composition of Earth's atmosphere, all you need to do is add oxygen and scrub out CO2 and any other possible contaminants

The 70% nitrogen is inert

Shouldn't change in concentration at all

[dark obsidian]

Docking

[tame iron]

Assuming that every sub and station has the same atmospheric composition and pressure, no

[dark obsidian]

Becon stations and wecks

Also floads

[tame iron]

Tru

I mean if we're talking realistically here the moment your sub floods on Europa you're cooked

[dark obsidian]

The only gas they could use would be hydrogen

But we don't see pipebomb subs

[tame iron]

Wait, why would they use hydrogen? Avoiding nitrogen narcosis?

[dark obsidian]

Is the only gas that could be found in the water, right?

That wouldn't kill them

(Well right away)

[tame iron]

You mean for producing an atmosphere?

There's plenty of chemicals and materials likely available on Europa that break down into nitrogen

Especially given the fact that it has a biosphere

[dark obsidian]

But I am talking about in the water

[heavy ruin]

I mean the way buoyancy works in Barotrauma is definitely not how it works in real life ha ha

[tame iron]

No I'm talking pressure

Compromised hull would mean you're crushed in a moment

titan submarine style

[heavy ruin]

oh right, yes of course

barotraumatrauma

[mellow stone]

I read that on big depths to not have narcotic nitrogen or oxygen intoxication divers add helium to the mixture, 70% helium, 20% nitrogen and 10% oxygen

[heavy ruin]

and apparently hydrogen beyond 300m lol

diving be nuts

this chart doesnt have Hydrogen (at least I think it doesnt)

[dark obsidian]

Thats for tanks

[sour merlin]

The composition of the atmosphere within a sub would not need to change with depth, since the pressure within the sub should maintain only one atmosphere of pressure

[mellow stone]

i don't think that you would want to have 1 atm of pressure inside sub on another freaking planet where you are always under the water

[quaint jolt]

thankfully we are on a moon

[mellow stone]

yeah, thankfully

[sour merlin]

Real submarines maintain 1 atmosphere of pressure on the inside

That’s why the hull needs to be sturdy

Due to a high pressure differential

If it were lower the hull wouldn’t need to be as strong

[mellow stone]

it's because those submarines are on earth

[sour merlin]

No

Its because its housing humans

[mellow stone]

humans csn take and live under more than 1 atm of pressure

[sour merlin]

The properties of different gases varies depending on the pressure

It’s not just whether a person can survive it

But also the logistics

[mellow stone]

well, every person who can't take it died on that moon

[sour merlin]

You would need to make sure it doesn’t cause any unwanted side effects

[sour merlin]

The higher the pressure the less efficient respiration is

You breathe in more gas and thus more O2

But don’t get a greater benefit compared to if the gas was at a pressure of 1 atmosphere

[mellow stone]

just what would you take: normal pressure and death on instant, when sub has a hole, or more pressure with less risk of being imploded just because of one hole in submarine?

[sour merlin]

If it were more efficient to have a higher internal pressure

Subs would do that

[mellow stone]

deep diving subs do have, i think, maybe not

at least diving bell does have more pressure inside

[sour merlin]

That’s because it’s not fully enclosed

[mellow stone]

also, while searching, i found that there was person, who lived for 100 days deep underwater

[sour merlin]

Wait are we talking about the same kind?

[sour merlin]

Your point?

[mellow stone]

there is no need to maintain that low pressure, if humans can live under much higher pressure

[sour merlin]

DUDE

I NEVER SAID PEOPLE CANT

I SAID IT WAS INEFFICIENT

That’s why divers use up their tank faster the deeper they go

[mellow stone]

but i also say that it efficent to have more pressure in sub in barotrauma's situation

[sour merlin]

You keep saying people can survive at these pressures, when I never disagreed

[sour merlin]

Yet you keep bringing up points on how people can survive high pressures, nothing about efficiency

[mellow stone]

well, maybe i misunderstood you, but the point of my speech was that i think the pressure inside submarine in game called Barotrauma must be more than just 1 atm

[sour merlin]

That wouldn’t change anything

[mellow stone]

or i just can't say my thoughts clearly

[sour merlin]

And you still suffer barotrauma going into the water

[sour merlin]

Gameplay wise at least

[mellow stone]

well, in real life the sub would implode if there was a big hole to the inside of submarine

because of a big gap between pressure

i think that what would be, i'm not a physicist

[heavy ruin]

yeah water would engulf so damn quick. But then again pressure and buoyancy (ballast behaviour) in baro doesnt follow irl rules. Also we're pretty off topic the mod showcased here... 🙂

[sour merlin]

Yes, you would need pressure so high that oxygen is toxic to the human body for that not to happen

Ending it there

[mellow stone]

there are mixtures of air, which helps with that

[mellow stone]

dis

...but yes, maybe there is no option to make oxygen not harm you on under 5000m of water