#BetaRT - RTX For Minecraft Beta 1.7.3 (WIP)
golden patio
hard chasm
https://klipy.com/gifs/freddy-fazbear-thrust-is-a-must
i hate i can see and hear this
final mountain
i hate i can see and hear this
🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 ✍️ ✍️
ashen shard
golden patio
final mountain
sonic dagger
@hard chasm tracy worked no problem first try with Remix for a normal game
however...
i already optimized the wrapper as much as possible
hard chasm
gotcha, guess my issue is exclusive to the API
fallen birch
gotcha, guess my issue is exclusive to the API
API user
Should have implemented DX9 into Minecraft and translate it to Remix
final mountain
split zodiac
Should have implemented DX9 into Minecraft and translate it to Remix
java only reads opengl unless we had a proper opengl wrapper
nothing less lol
fallen birch
java only reads opengl unless we had a proper opengl wrapper
He could have decompiled, write it in C++ then add DX9
sonic dagger
wtf were you guys doing in VC last night
fallen birch
wtf were you guys doing in VC last night
There’s a VC?
final mountain
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1199094490762330122/15090967343...
Everything was above board
fallen birch
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1199094490762330122/15090967343...
I didn’t know this existed
misty fractal
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1199094490762330122/15090967343...
yeah....nothing except like gifs spamming in a voice message channel
final mountain
all those gifs were very relevant to the conversation we were having 
final mountain
hard chasm
all those gifs were very relevant to the conversation we were having <:steamhapp...
absolutely crucial to our social exchange
hard chasm
🥱 😴 💤 🛌
final mountain
silver holly
It's definitely looks like these "pbr" texture packs for mcbe if i find picture i show it
something like this
silver holly
Im not trying to offend you its just reminds me this
fallen birch
This makes me wanna jump off a bridge
silver holly
Yes i feel same
final mountain
golden patio
no commands in 1.7.3, had to walk, took a while
🤨
fallen birch
no commands in 1.7.3, had to walk, took a while
real stirrup
isn't that a 34 day walk? like wtf dude
final mountain
golden patio
he just has a very good gaming chair
fallen birch
isn't that a 34 day walk? like wtf dude
You mean 14 year
real stirrup
def, take that long cause of the need for sleep. 34 days if You are a machine though I guess.
golden patio
enough monsters will do the trick
final mountain
def, take that long cause of the need for sleep. 34 days if You are a machine th...
I dont think the math is mathing
real stirrup
Well now that you're there though remix that area so when we all get there it'll lokk sick for us.
hard chasm
very angry, betart on linux which is running under wine, runs so much faster than windows
final mountain
final mountain
very angry, betart on linux which is running under wine, runs so much faster tha...
💪 
💪 Linux wins again💪 💪
hard chasm
this is NOT FAIR
oddly enough remix thinks im using an amd GPU here so no dlss, not that's why its running better
final mountain
definitely going to keep volumetrics on even though they arent vanilla looking because theyre very dramatic and fun
hard chasm
AHAHAHAH YES ITS HAPPENING
IT SURVIVES THE TORTURE TEST LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOO I GOT BANNED FROM THE LIBRARY MAP SERVER THING
toxic plover
whatd you do
hard chasm
stole iron block
green nimbus
lmao
golden patio
stole iron block
This reminds me when i did the same thing in this "trust" server i played on. I eventually ended up ban-evading the server with my bedrock alt.
||For context, they had a couple chests set up at spawn, and i ended up taking some iron out of those chests. They noticed and banned me after 20 minutes of playing.||
hard chasm
do i dare try to use opus 4.8
the inner gambler in me says yes but gpt 5.4 is so cheap 😭
final mountain
the inner gambler in me says yes but gpt 5.4 is so cheap 😭
fallen birch
do i dare try to use opus 4.8
4.8 came out?
fallen birch
not much better than 4.7
funny because GitHub still has 4.7 locked to their highest subscription
final mountain
cr gatekeeping yet again by keeping 4.8 for himself
hard chasm
yeah i have connections with anthropic 
hard chasm
ok i have emailed u a totally legit link
final mountain
Gatekeeping probably
hard chasm
opus 4.8 knows it 🫃
terse depot
cr gatekeeping yet again by keeping 4.8 for himself <:clueless:14895081061312103...
cope
jokes on you I don't pay for robots
terse depot
cheapo
hard chasm
🥀
fallen birch
🥀
“Kills our conversation tokens”
That’s the point
Gotta make you spend more for tokens
final mountain
“Kills our conversation tokens”
That’s the point
Grok would never do this to me thats why I use grok 
fallen birch
Grok would never do this to me thats why I use grok <:thinksmart:132485172276153...
Grok would also never do anything right in coding
final mountain
Grok would also never do anything right in coding
thats the joke lad
fallen birch
<:catt:1373737270695301120> <:catt:1373737270695301120> <:catt:13737372706953011...
Maybe you were the joke
hard chasm
we are getting higher gpu utilization with this one 🔥 🗣️
wrapper is almost fully GPU bound
terse depot
85
hard chasm
release day opus 4.8 is indeed OP
gonna use it for like 3 more days for the rest of optimization and probably go back to gpt 5.4 🫃
(my usage resets)
final mountain
the lobotomization is coming 
. Everything will turn into grok.
hard chasm
hard chasm
except it looks like ass 🥀
final mountain
Minecraft RTX runs that well
hard chasm
we are getting higher gpu utilization with this one 🔥 🗣️
disabling atmos sky gets me an easy 20fps wow
fallen birch
ray regeneration should do the trick <:thinksmart:1324851722761539595> <:thinksm...
Ah yes, let me just implement a DX12 Interop and a RR Spoof
final mountain
Some people just see numbers
i think youre thinking of robots because i only see colors and shapes
final mountain
looks like i now have to start digging into BLAS on the remix-side
make sure you do it
Very Carefully
fallen birch
looks like i now have to start digging into BLAS on the remix-side
It’s funny, I saw AMD documentation today on BVH
hard chasm
ok well nvm BLAS is fine, moving onto profiling TLAS
im assuming its my instance count probably causing GPU stalls cuz the wrapper/cpu bottleneck is completely gone
boreal zenith
Sky optimization when
final mountain
im assuming its my instance count probably causing GPU stalls cuz the wrapper/cp...
me reading anything youve said since youve started optimizing (whatever that is)
golden patio
Sky optimization when
tommorow
hard chasm
Sky optimization when
i think that's already been done by @sonic dagger
they've done a fuck ton of work to it
final mountain
volumes just cost as much as a real
hard chasm
ok well 4.8 is completely convinced BetaRT can run as fast as it can
what
nawww i aint taking this answer
but it might be right...
ill demonstrate
final mountain
nawww i aint taking this answer
but i bet it can still run faster than you 👴 👴 👴 🪦
🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 ✍️ ✍️ ✍️
hard chasm
potato + no atmos is a MASSIVE jump
so i guess it's already GPU bound in this case despite what msi afterburner says
green nimbus
how up to date is your build?
green nimbus
ah
hard chasm
i have to assume the perf cost is directly tied to per-pixel sampling?
because both settings directly affect that
so this is a remix bottleneck
not sure how something like gmod avoids this, it has way higher instances and complex lighting scenarios
green nimbus
sparkles was able to get the sky system down to 2.67 ms
don't think the changes have pushed though
hard chasm
nice
hard chasm
potato + no atmos is a MASSIVE jump
1440p DLAA with those settings 🥀
green nimbus
potato + no atmos is a MASSIVE jump
the clouds aren't enabled here are they?
hard chasm
no
hard chasm
1440p DLAA with those settings 🥀
good news is the perf is extremely consistent between worlds now
(man this looks like shit)
green nimbus
because 94 to 75 is 2.67 ms lol
that's how well the new system performs with the clouds included
final mountain
(man this looks like shit)
ray regeneration would fix that 
hard chasm
wow ill tell ya what, the frametimes are SO much better than what they used to be after fixing the wrapper cpu-bottleneck issues
well i feel defeated im going to bed, hopefully i can think of something because wasting credits on random remix optimizations does not sound like fun
final mountain
well i feel defeated <:steamhappy:1438637501911666769> im going to bed, hopefull...
sonic dagger
this won't help this project unfortunately, but I was looking into a way to bake an HDRI from the sky system. idea is that you get it configured how you want, export HDRI, then use that instead. will help performance a lot for games that don't need time of day
iirc this was hmm's idea
sonic dagger
i think that's already been done by <@410198342300205066>
and yeah it's the best it's gonna run
green nimbus
wonder if it would easier to integrate existing skybox elements with a bake system since wasn't performance one of the concerns?
golden patio
wonder if it would easier to integrate existing skybox elements with a bake syst...
a gradient based estimation could maybe work.
wanton apex
1440p DLAA with those settings 🥀
how does it run without dlss?
hard chasm
ok for shits and giggles i ran skyblock with potato settings and no atmos sky and im surprised it runs this poorly for what it is, something is still very wrong
even at 144p
IT WAS THE FUCKING UI
WHAT
1440p DLAA 
i can actually hear my GPU fans revving so hard rn
hard chasm
1440p DLAA with those settings 🥀
lmao its the same as this
well it should run better at lower resolutions now
hard chasm
it probably isnt, but another edge case if i had to guess
sonic dagger
maybe the passthrough method isn't very efficient
would certainly be weird but... who knows at this point lmao
hard chasm
its definitely wasting CPU cycles
sonic dagger
using the API like this is uncharted territory 
hard chasm
time to implement native UI, goodbye copilot credits
even if it doesnt provide a meaningful perf improvement, its more progress deprecating GL
hopefully it will be full vulkan soon enough
sonic dagger
🔥
hard chasm
🏁
sonic dagger
so, how are you approaching this?
hard chasm
direct remix api calls from the wrapper
adding new api functions specifically for orthographic elements
including a rasterization pass for 3D objects in the inventory
sonic dagger
i'd be surprised if this ends up being more efficient to be honest
but i hope it is
fallen birch
hello native
Native DX12?
hard chasm
i'd be surprised if this ends up being more efficient to be honest
i mean it is, there is no DMA copies back and forth from GL to VK. Think of this as native UI rendering of any game, its Minecraft > Remix, there is no translation layer
fallen birch
i mean it is, there is no DMA copies back and forth from GL to VK. Think of this...
Guh
fallen birch
<:evil:1096554201468915812>
Performs much better?
hard chasm
it looks a little off from vanilla but all of it is there
hard chasm
Performs much better?
idk i dont have afterburner open
hard chasm
absolutely not 🥀
sonic dagger
looks like i need to suffer more for FO4
i may just try to optimize the current method instead
final mountain
ok very much yes
fallen birch
ok very much yes
If you only show off skyblock
You claim the title for most optimized Remix game
hard chasm
i may just try to optimize the current method instead
i already tried, the DMA transfer at least for minecraft is just way too expensive
i was able to reduce it by lowering the resolution of that buffer but it made the UI look like shit
here is the important thing @sonic dagger there is absolutely no point in doing this if your game is already bottlenecked by per-pixel tracing operations (PT), drawcalls, or light sampling
hard chasm
yeah its fine
sonic dagger
okie
thanks. i was legit freaking out lol
FO4 has an immense amount of UI elements and i don't think i could realistically convert them like you are for MC
hard chasm
thanks. i was legit freaking out lol
no worries lol, i was trying to emphasize it hurts perf when nothing else is taking up GPU time
like in a normal world the UI probably ate like 5% of the total frame
fallen birch
@hard chasm do you have instancing in BetaRT? Since you’re drawing a lot of the same blocks over and over?
hard chasm
yeah it uses instancing
geo cost is very low
main bottleneck is just how complex the lighting is because the samples directly affect performance
fonts
still completely gpu bottlenecked here depsite what afterburner says
i think its the vanilla rendering thats taking the chunk out of it
final mountain
still completely gpu bottlenecked here depsite what afterburner says
is that what xess normally looks like?? 
hard chasm
at 144p yes
its the only upscaler to let you go that low
perf is so good 
hopefully i can add the more optimized atmos sky
final mountain
sonic dagger
still completely gpu bottlenecked here depsite what afterburner says
i think for path tracing, gpu measurements aren't very accurate. kinda noticed similar behavior in cyberpunk
hard chasm
hopefully i can add the more optimized atmos sky
i wonder if i can get some free perf by seperating the TLAS/BLAS for both world geometry and living entities,
make the world one static until block updates or something
fallen birch
make the world one static until block updates or something
Wouldn’t that cause framerate drops when placing or breaking blocks since it rebuilds?
hard chasm
i mean it doesnt already
sonic dagger
hopefully i can add the more optimized atmos sky
so to clarify, the 2.67ms measurement that hmm shared was actually just what tracy measured it at in FNV. but FNV was running at like... 14 FPS at the time, so i'm not convinced it's a good figure
realistically the sky cannot be optimized much further without sacrificing quality, and at that point it's not really even worth using imo
hard chasm
i mean BetaRT depends on it 😛
sonic dagger
the only changes to the sky since the 1.4.2-plus release were to fix some color issues
green nimbus
so to clarify, the 2.67ms measurement that hmm shared was actually just what tra...
damn
fallen birch
i mean it doesnt already
Fair
But right now, all blocks are separate in BVH?
Unless I’m misunderstanding what you’re trying to do
sonic dagger
i mean BetaRT depends on it 😛
if you can find some optimizations i will be grateful lol
hard chasm
Fair
But right now, all blocks are separate in BVH?
dynamic entities and world chunks share the same space, i want to sever them so there is less updates per frame
fallen birch
dynamic entities and world chunks share the same space, i want to sever them so ...
Ah, got it
hard chasm
i dont even know if it would meaningfully improve performance
menu is fixed
i think the last thing is getting steve to render in the inventory
fallen birch
fallen birch
menu is fixed <:steamhappy:1438637501911666769>
now implement a background and a hunger bar and call it Minecraft 1.0
hard chasm
face reveal
hard chasm
absolutely gobsmacked opus 4.8 did this in one try, skinned character rendered in a custom rasterized shader entirely in remix
final mountain
absolutely gobsmacked opus 4.8 did this in one try, skinned character rendered i...
Now make him look like jack black
sonic dagger
absolutely gobsmacked opus 4.8 did this in one try, skinned character rendered i...
✨
fallen birch
absolutely gobsmacked opus 4.8 did this in one try, skinned character rendered i...
Ew, rasterization
split zodiac
Now write it in DirectX 12
ngl dxvk is vulkan so maybe........ jk
hard chasm
eepy 💤
hard chasm
pretty sure i finally got the vertex lighting right for blocks in the inventory
final mountain
pretty sure i finally got the vertex lighting right for blocks in the inventory
I think its a liiiiittle bit too dark on the sides of blocks but its very close
hard chasm
yea
final mountain
also looks like the left facing side is brighter than the right one in the original
hard chasm
guh i thought i just fixed that
lol cool, the original hud came back to the vanilla renderer
can clearly see what looks off now
wait why is the hud a pixel off center
thats going to fuck with me now
final mountain
wait why is the hud a pixel off center
How did you even notice that lol
Oh yeah I see it
sonic dagger
also looks like the left facing side is brighter than the right one in the origi...
if i'm being honest i prefer this
lol
final mountain
if i'm being honest i prefer this
hard chasm
if i'm being honest i prefer this
its too late im fixing it
sonic dagger
its too late im fixing it
😭 nooooo
final mountain
its too late im fixing it
you did actually get the brightness like 100% correct btw its just the left facing side issue made the whole thing look darker
green nimbus
lol cool, the original hud came back to the vanilla renderer
something about this comparison I find funny
final mountain
ok good enough
Its 0.03% brighter* on the right facing side how could you say this is acceptable
sonic dagger
sonic dagger
this is the way it's meant to be
sonic dagger
it is if u squint
final mountain
this needs to be 100% authentic
sonic dagger
for realsies though no one is gonna notice lol
hard chasm
trust
sonic dagger
well ur just wrong 
hard chasm
final mountain
imagine working on rasterizing the ui when you havent even got height maps working yet
Im such a hater
hard chasm
Im such a hater
do not question my methods
sonic dagger
does beta 1.7 have cats??
hard chasm
no
sonic dagger
😭
hard chasm
just dawgs
final mountain
we need to remix a cat
I got uhhhh hedgehogs. best I can do
hard chasm
do not question my methods <:tux_dawg:1381989261481480242>
this is all i got left cuh
final mountain
Grok could do all this in a day
hard chasm
@gork is this true
brittle path
Good night CR, get some well deserved rest
sonic dagger
NOOOO
brittle path
Wait is it night for you
final mountain
Unc need his nap time 👴👴👴 🪦
brittle path
Damn. Because of Minecraft?
hard chasm
Don’t forget FSR 4, RayRegenration and Radiance Chance Support
ok ban this guy too
☺️
final mountain
Be a sigma and just never sleep like me 💪 💪 💪 💪
hard chasm
big change on both sides
sonic dagger
brittle path
Pop a couple melatonin and do a large eep
hard chasm
big change on both sides
ui stuff is live on the remix side if yall wanna go look at the code
hard chasm
Pop a couple melatonin and do a large eep
oh for sure
hard chasm
ui stuff is live on the remix side if yall wanna go look at the code
probably cursed cuz its only built for this mod
🥱 🛌 😴
hard chasm
What if I just, delete FSR 3.1
why havent you PR'ed it to either main or remix plus
im sure sparkles would accept it
fallen birch
why havent you PR'ed it to either main or remix plus
It is PR’ed to main
I even fixed the conflict recently with the latest Remix
Do people forget I implemented FSR
Is it just a myth
Maybe the real FSR was the friends we made along the way
fallen birch
this is an nvidia dominated server btw
And? now RTX 20 and 30 series users have Frame Gen
You’re welcome
languid current
👋
languid current
hi
if someone tries this on rdna2, will they re-enact the experience of running b1.7.2 at release day on a gma 950?
hard chasm
on windows, yes
on linux, it should be fine?
i ran b1.7.3 on a s3 virge back in the day 🥀
oh wait maybe not the virge, but whatever 3d chip s3 made in like 2005
final mountain
on windows, yes
on linux, it should be fine?
hard chasm
final mountain
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120720250380484729/1360855122204426401/c...
hard chasm
<:cleaning:1509523836100546600>
final mountain
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1228150312129400873/1286213092405149776/I...
golden patio
hard chasm
oh i am cooking today
fallen birch
fucking horrible season
hard chasm
the PEAK
fallen birch
hard chasm
hard chasm
Let me have access, I’ll give you NRD SH
dw at this rate its coming out 🔜
the polish phase is almost over
hard chasm
oh i am cooking today
oh i see why the hud looks shifted, its actually not, its just my stupid fucking screenshot tool
vanilla GL is NO MORE
fallen birch
steve has become rayman once again
Plans to make the tip of the torches emmsive? Kind of looks weird with the light hovering but the tip dark
hard chasm
Plans to make the tip of the torches emmsive? Kind of looks weird with the light...
they are normally, the emissive map gets removed each time i rebuild the wrapper, i've just been too lazy to fix it
fallen birch
they are normally, the emissive map gets removed each time i rebuild the wrapper...
Lazy CR
🥀
Can’t believe you’re getting lazy, not like you decompiled and modified Minecraft or anything
final mountain
hard chasm
would you look at that, with the GL output gone, the gpu usage is more accurate now 🫃
wanton apex
i hate hearing this in my head
come on homelander's death was the only good part of season 5
hard chasm
lol not too bad, this is much more than i tested previously as well
14K signs
☺️
i made an oopsie ☺️
sonic dagger
split zodiac
i made an oopsie ☺️
final mountain
misty fractal
fallen birch
lol not too bad, this is much more than i tested previously as well
Settings?
golden patio
steve has become rayman once again
*inverse rayman
golden patio
i made an oopsie ☺️
mobs on drugs
fallen birch
they don't really matter here
resolution and settings
I see you getting like 100fps, but a 5080 could do that on 1080p
hard chasm
still don't matter, game bottlenecked
remix is doing a whole lot of nothing with 14K signs
fallen birch
still don't matter, game bottlenecked
fallen birch
remix is doing a whole lot of nothing with 14K signs
I meant in general
hard chasm
1440p DLSS ultra perf, ultra PT preset ingame
wanton apex
1440p DLSS ultra perf, ultra PT preset ingame
100fps at 480p ya?
hard chasm
pretty much lol
project is officially bottlenecked by the path tracing so im pretty sure
perf will not change for a while until more opts come from nvidia
fallen birch
1440p DLSS ultra perf, ultra PT preset ingame
fallen birch
project is officially bottlenecked by the path tracing so im pretty sure
perf w...
Or you just start making more game specific optimizations
final mountain
Or you just start making more game specific optimizations
hard chasm
Or you just start making more game specific optimizations
yeah lemme just gamble by asking the AI to do that
fallen birch
yeah lemme just gamble by asking the AI to do that <:maw:1488995675411845180>
Opus 4.8 locking in to decrease draw calls:
hard chasm
i wish that were true but dont have that bottleneck anymore 😩
fallen birch
i wish that were true but dont have that bottleneck anymore 😩
what does tracy say
hard chasm
i could add more tracy counters on the gpu side and see what could be done but that will take a bit
hard chasm
what does tracy say
ill have to do another run
@sonic dagger any upcoming changes from your fork? im gonna rebase my betart fork on your latest changes before i start optimizing
sonic dagger
development is halted for a couple weeks. if there is anything, it'd be just some very minor stuff
you can use the main-squashed branch if you want and then just cherrypick the few commits that have been made since them for sky fixes
fallen birch
<@410198342300205066> any upcoming changes from your fork? im gonna rebase my be...
TAA-U 25% scaling when for the Non NVIDIA users
Bake in LSFG as well
final mountain
final mountain
viral nova
Where i can download and test the BetaRT?
final mountain
Where i can download and test the BetaRT?
it is not out yet
fallen birch
Where i can download and test the BetaRT?
viral nova
i wish it would be a beta test. I'm so excited about that. i think it'll be released in late 2026 or early 2027
green nimbus
lol
final mountain
I would hope that its going to release maybe a liiiittle bit before late 2026 but I guess anything is possible
The urge to make an old joke about CR is killing me right now but I will restrain myself
hard chasm
there isnt much else to do other than fix some remaining bugs
ill try to hold myself off from "innovating" like adding sharc 😛
the urge is strong
final mountain
ill try to hold myself off from "innovating" like adding sharc 😛
Maybe innovate one more time sharc would be cool
hard chasm
well i should've clarified, cherry-pick the one Hmm made
fallen birch
there isnt much else to do other than fix some remaining bugs
Let me make a showcase, I beg of you
green nimbus
sharc gonna be peak
hard chasm
https://tenor.com/view/homelander-begging-gif-12858322631821576325
yah when its out 🗣️
i need someone to make a trailer or some promotional material
i would do it but i would probably do 1/3 of it and then forget about it
@final mountain the joke is tempting but 🤫 😛
fallen birch
yah when its out 🗣️
final mountain
<@716759767749492837> the joke is tempting but 🤫 😛
split zodiac
https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-yummers-the-boys-yummers-meme-yummers-meme-gif-1...
Intel
hard chasm
lore accurate butcher
split zodiac
hard chasm
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boreal zenith
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final mountain
e
hard chasm
absolutely stoked to work on BetaRT with my new pc today
green nimbus
void linux 👀
hard chasm
i luv void