Vibe Reverse Engineering Toolset

[brisk trench]

Getting a capture in remix and telling the AI about that has helped with explaining what I mean

[rose oasis]

which one of these:

• an addon to the existing proxy/wrapper template code?
• its own proxy?
• template code with useful information to patch the game itself?

[muted sun]

having it as it's own proxy would be nice but it's up to you

[rose oasis]

it's just kind of a nightmare

we would have:
window proxy -> FFP proxy -> any ASIs loaded -> remix

but i do think it's the simplest solution

and the main features of it that we want?

[muted sun]

-# I was mostly being greedy because having a seperate proxy would makr integrating it into my code easier lol

[muted sun]

being able to take screenshots

[rose oasis]

🤔

elaborate please

[muted sun]

so in halo if I try to take a screenshot with windows + printscreen it sends me to the desktop

and takes a screenshot of my desktop

[rose oasis]

okay

[sharp seal]

this sounds so stupid but it's halo ce port so it's expected

[muted sun]

that behaviour seems to be much more common in older games

[bright roost]

uhm, shift + win + s?

[vagrant kernel]

NVIDIA Shadowplay or OBS doesn't work?

[bright roost]

elsewise the xbox app can take screenshots too

[muted sun]

not reliably no

[muted sun]

hitting the windows key will send me to the desktop

[vagrant kernel]

OBS display capture + Take Screenshot works for everything on screen for me id give that a go

[rose oasis]

bweh

working on it

this will help a lot of games

BARNYARD

@muted sun can you try it

oops

[muted sun]

sure

[rose oasis]

[Chain]
; Next DLL in the chain. Leave empty to load system d3d9.dll.
; Examples:
; DLL=d3d9_ffp.dll (chain to FFP proxy, then Remix)
; DLL=d3d9_remix.dll (chain directly to Remix)
; DLL= (system d3d9.dll)
DLL=

set this to the other wrapper ofc

[solemn epoch]

GPT 5.4 did this in Painkiller

[vagrant kernel]

GPT 5.4 the goat

[muted sun]

got working borderless but I'm still getting set to the desktop with win + printsc

[rose oasis]

try this

[muted sun]

same thing

[rose oasis]

😭

[rose oasis]

does it happen from the windows key specifically being pushed?

[muted sun]

yeah

[rose oasis]

one more dll

[fallow helm]

That's a good point! I'll do that when I can.

[muted sun]

same thing lol

[rose oasis]

😭

halo is so fucking cursed

[muted sun]

does it work with barnyard at least?

[rose oasis]

sadly the way xor's wrapper handles things causes it to break there too

[sharp seal]

It's already a miracle we have this toolset this year that halo is at least somewhat functional

And a handful of other games

[rose oasis]

skipping xor's wrapper, yeah it works thankfully. so much easier to work with now

[muted sun]

nice

that was awful but I kinda got something working

[atomic steppe]

@crystal kiln pull updated and rebased

[quaint kelp]

so his version is getting updated soon or do i need to still use the same one

@atomic steppe

[atomic steppe]

Anything I've done extra including plugin will be unnecessary, when changes are pulled into the main repo

Need to uninstall the plug-in too when it updates

[bright roost]

i wish there were a good OGL to DX9 Wrapper for Oddworld: Strangers Wrath. Probably need to build my own :/

[crimson yacht]

is this complete gabagool??

[simple orchid]

Anybody had any luck stabilizing hashes?

[rose oasis]

the goal to get this done is to figure out why the hashes are unstable to begin with. often times it's from being rendered through shaders. other times it's the way the game is rendering decals or effects on the geometry that's confusing remix

[bright roost]

Well, in UG2 car hashes for example change per part, but each part update also updates every other geometry hash of that car. Sometimes its stable, sometimes not, which is really weird.
I tried to get rid of it, but well. Nothing worked

Heres what it found out about UG2

[atomic steppe]

im now gonna try to make a coop mod for M&B: Warband with this something that hasnt been done in 16 years i think it can do it 🙂

[muted sun]

good luck

[crystal kiln]

Thank you so much. Just reviewed and merged 🙂

[atomic steppe]

oh uh one moment I didnt delete old claude.md in root???? lolol

[bright roost]

[atomic steppe]

@crystal kiln new small pull MB

[crystal kiln]

Np. Just approved

[rose oasis]

✨

if anyone tries the new skinning code lemme know how it works pls 🙏

[atomic steppe]

claude didnt catch that ill be making sure to note this in his performance review

[solemn epoch]

Please do lol, I've been thinking about this since forever

Also just loading up a battle against 500 bots with your bud would already be cool

[rose oasis]

@atomic steppe the RE task you set up works amazingly well. it took like an hour lol but it made a comprehensive kb.h and an md file

not 100% sure of the accuracy 😅 but it sounds right from what i've read of it

[atomic steppe]

Hmm wonder why it took so long maybe it would be good to tell the agents to spawn another subagent to run just that command while it did regular re path till bootstraper came back

Can you ask what held up the bootstraper

[atomic steppe]

I thought synced battles was already a thing with the battle time mod

Just no coop campaign has ever been completed

But if you mean without the headache of that mod and everything seamless I gotcha

[quaint kelp]

man getting older games to work with this like dx5 or old glide games are rough. i think i need to shelf that idea

[atomic steppe]

I saw this yesterday https://github.com/WinterSnowfall/d7vk

I don't know enough about the dxvk remix or d7vk to know if this is helpful or not lol

[quaint kelp]

interesting, linux though

hmm ill give it a go

[solemn epoch]

DXVK is also made for Linux

[atomic steppe]

Yeh but it can use native Windows I think

[quaint kelp]

yesh

[solemn epoch]

It's been also stated at some point that Windows DXVk support is not a priority

[quaint kelp]

ah

[quaint kelp]

note this is kings quest 8 mask of eternity, rasterized

with the github link project that raven provided

and the proxy

[atomic steppe]

Probs worth a try

Use it as the proxy ig?

[sharp seal]

The problem is games of this time had a good chance it was probably pre transformed

You'd still need game-specific RE bypasses for remix to work with even D7VK

[quaint kelp]

i forgot that i scapped my .md file for the game. so i have to start over

cause i thaught it wouldnt work

[quaint kelp]

you know you're doing something wrong if the ai wants to poke in your registry in windows and look at your gpu drivers

i told it to quit poking in the system32 etc

[muted sun]

lmfao

I've never seen it do that before

I do know back in the day you could force widescreen in certain games with registry edits

[rose oasis]

many old games do store things in registry

worth looking on pcgw

[muted sun]

yeah that's probably why it's wanting to poking around for stuff

has anybody had sucess working with software rendered games using vibe?

[fallow helm]

I have with a few old Star Wars games from the 90s. I still need to get around to perfecting the implementation once I am done with Dragon Age and maybe MGS 2, though.

Managed to get stable hashes and everything.

[muted sun]

Debating if it would would just be cleaner to fix halo's built in fixed function mode because the only huge issue with it is that all the skinned meshes are run via software rendered vertex shaders (which I had no idea was a thing until recently)

[fallow helm]

That is a bizarre method of doing things. That might not be too bad to solve if that is the only blocker, though.

[vagrant kernel]

Did you use DxWrapper for that or the games straight

[fallow helm]

I used DXWrapper for the DirectX 1-7 to 9 conversion, but I (well, Claude) made a proxy dll that hooked in to the game and grabbed the rawest possible camera matrices and model space vertices so that Remix would be able to detect a valid camera and have actual 3-D geometry to work with instead of pre-transformed vertices.

Well, one of the games uses GOG's wrapper for the DirectX 9 conversion, but the other three use DXWrapper

[rose oasis]

wasn't nfs2 software when burrito did it

m

[muted sun]

oh yeah it was
forgot about that

[rose oasis]

there was a game I like that was liked to software mode

[bright roost]

When using claude in VS, does selecting effort medium gets better results as effort high?
cause to me it seems that when on high it starts trying too hard so it starts doing things it actually shouldnt do

[rose oasis]

effort is actually just how many tokens it's allowed to use

[bright roost]

ah

[golden raven]

NOT doing a remix comp mod

That would be stupid

This is pretty cool

I really should finish the game before I spoil stuff for myself or break my saves

[muted sun]

fyi supposedly d3d9ex handles windowing much better than bog standard d3d9. going to try it out in halo in a bit.

[golden raven]

hm

[sharp seal]

Actually before registry was even a thing games targeted win.ini

This however is for even older games

[atomic steppe]

🙂 🙂 🙂

many bugs, but we are doin it 🙂

host and client

i may cri

[solemn epoch]

Absolute madness

Please continue

Create a repo in case you get bored trying to get this to work

[crimson yacht]

UI

Finally

[vital dew]

Has anyone tried any source engine games with the tools? I saw Kim said "no source engine" in thier thread lol

[vital dew]

Got some progress on converting Delta Force Xtreme 2 to FFP, the world renders without shaders but things like grass, vehicles, enemies, and the player's hands don't render yet. I'm also on a really outdated verison of remix, easily from April 2025

[vital dew]

Everything except the terrain is skinned lol

[atomic steppe]

I opened a draft pull if yall can test it out see if it helps your projects

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/pull/11

Adds pyghidra as a parallel static re subagent that pairs nicely with the current r2ghidra, it makes a more complete picture and found stuff sometimes r2 couldn't find without live tools help in one instance

[atomic steppe]

effectively its this now

[golden raven]

Funny boxes

This is pleasing to look at

Even if it doesn't work

Or might

It's always a dice roll

[atomic steppe]

trying to load the dice

https://klipy.com/gifs/dice-the-road-to-el-dorado

[sharp seal]

This looks good on paper or in this case a flowchart

Have you guys ever run into packed binaries in other games

I think we hit a huge barrier with burnout paradise reversing

Which is unfortunate

[golden raven]

Burnout paradise would be so nice

I wanna try my clearcoat stuff on it.

[atomic steppe]

take me back to the paradise city

[sharp seal]

Where the grass is green and the girls are pretty

[muted sun]

would you be able to get the llm to generate a diagram of how the systems in the executable work?

[atomic steppe]

which exe

[muted sun]

like the game or whatever excutable I'm reverse engineering

[atomic steppe]

ummm maybe by giving it the kb.h idk its just claude on web making it

[muted sun]

ahhh lol

didn't know it could do that

[atomic steppe]

newerish feature

anthropic is cooking honestly

[muted sun]

for sure

kinda crazy what someone with very little experience can do with it

[sharp seal]

Kind of like doxygen?

[muted sun]

exactly what I was thinking

[dull swallow]

Banned

[muted sun]

whar

[sharp seal]

What

[dull swallow]

[muted sun]

was that just a bad doxing joke?

[dull swallow]

[muted sun]

but yeah something like doxygen would be sick

[atomic steppe]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN low latency native pathfinding stable coop parties and world sync

[muted sun]

https://tenor.com/view/benny-fallout-fallout-new-vegas-what-in-the-goddamn-confusion-gif-24924085

[rose oasis]

I'm gonna try again soon

[muted sun]

okay now upgrade a game to 64 bit
/joke

[rose oasis]

😖

forking in the remix bridge to do that would be kinda neat

[muted sun]

would legit help some games I think

but that's aloooot easier said than done lol

[sharp seal]

You would have to recompile the game code

[atomic steppe]

ez pz prompt

claude heres the bridge code and the binary, upgrade game to 64 bit make no mistakes

[rose oasis]

there are some things the bridge conversion would still help with

[sharp seal]

For NFS2 and NFS3 I found this project

https://github.com/motor-dev/nfs-recompiled

I think it's made with AI as well

Pretty jank atp cuz I tried it with the camera proxy

[rose oasis]

I plan to RE a PS2 game and port it to PC

[muted sun]

👀

[sharp seal]

(please don't be dog's life)

[rose oasis]

idek what that is

no ofc it's gonna be barnyard /s

I'm planning on porting Ratchet Deadlocked

[sharp seal]

https://youtu.be/q4xc9Q8wO4E?si=Z7Fm1Ec-QqeQkW_O

It's like those lost media horror games

[dull swallow]

Need to try dolphin emulator next month

[rose oasis]

I remember playing silent Hill 4 when I was like 8

[sharp seal]

PCSRemix2 when

[rose oasis]

i know someone from the Dolphin team who wants Remix compat

[sharp seal]

Dolphin is a good start

[golden raven]

I believe you can write a custom renderer for pcsx2

[rose oasis]

at some point I plan to try that

[muted sun]

If you can do a ps2 game I should port halo ce to pc again

[sharp seal]

Someone already done that, all it needs is a little push

[muted sun]

for fun

[sharp seal]

A better port than gearbox

[golden raven]

Fat bear guy try not to talk about Halo CE for 3 seconds challenge (hard)

[dull swallow]

Isnt that already on pc?

On steam or

[muted sun]

autism

[dull swallow]

Js the mcc

[rose oasis]

what about a framework for static compilation for PS2 -> pc

recompilation

[muted sun]

there's the 2003 pc port, custom edition, and mcc

lol

[golden raven]

Definitely not a job for Claude

[sharp seal]

We do have this 👀

https://github.com/hedge-dev/XenonRecomp

[rose oasis]

I have a brain too yk

[rose oasis]

ya that's my inspiration

[dull swallow]

Not anymore

Stolen

[golden raven]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[rose oasis]

dies

[rose oasis]

I'm gonna sleep

[sharp seal]

My brain at 2am

[dull swallow]

Good night!

[rose oasis]

you concern me

[golden raven]

Genuinely unsettling

[muted sun]

the lips look so human

[rose oasis]

me when I look in the mirror

[dull swallow]

No mirrors in the house to look at is always a good thing

[golden raven]

I look at mirrors all the time

The reflection is pleasing to watch

[rich jewel]

I think rexglue has superceded it iirc

[vital dew]

Tf is rexglue? Last time I tried xenonrecomp there was like no instructions or any examples of setting it up, seemed like everyone was getting stuck

Also decided to work on a different game before wasting my usage on DFX2, would really like to mess around with Trophy Hunter 2003 before I attempt something like cleaning up Delta Force Black Hawk Down

[golden raven]

I should try dfx

Dfx2 is SHIT

Also still waiting for someone to leak dfaf. Iirc it was mostly complete

[vital dew]

DFX2 was kinda cool to me, never completed it but it felt a little more expansive than other delta force games

Shieeet if we see an angel falls leak ill quit my job just to fuck with it

Looked a lot like Arma from the clips I saw

[golden raven]

Dfx will always be my 2nd favorite

[vital dew]

I really wanna get DFBHD cleaned up and restart my project, I did way too much AI textures and stole models from places I cant use in a real mod release

They should've never gave a mf free blender models ripped from Arma 2

[quaint kelp]

What about the black hawk down original

Not that remake

Back when nova login was required

[vital dew]

Ye thats what I was working on, I started it just before the "remake" came out just to spite Tencent and their UE5 slop

[golden raven]

No one's talking about the urine engine 5 remake here

[quaint kelp]

Thing had a map editor for the original too

[golden raven]

Excuse me?

[quaint kelp]

Was dope

[golden raven]

Just killed a mosquito

[vital dew]

Yeah that UH60M replacement I used was ripped straight from Arma 2. And their license explicitly states "can not be used in games other than Arma"

That and the little bird i ripped

[golden raven]

Oh you did

I thought you were talking about nova pirating shit. They did. And it cost them everything

[vital dew]

I always wanted that one you used in that blender crash animation but you couldn't remember where you got it from

[vital dew]

Yup. Pirated software or something right?

[quaint kelp]

Damn I didn't know that

[golden raven]

Photoshop

They got caught

[vital dew]

Should've just used gimp smh

That was like millions of dollars in their lawsuit or something right? I remember seeing the articles. Then they tried to sue activision I think and they lost

[quaint kelp]

Has anyone tried the desert storm games

[vital dew]

Yeah I tried conflict desert storm and it worked decently, only a couple bugs
I didnt have much interest in the game so I didn't do any enhancements

[golden raven]

Cds2 works perfectly

All lights detected etc

[quaint kelp]

That's cool

Need to dust off my copy.

But not home yet

[old haven]

oh you're not talking about angels fall first, I got excited for a second there.

[solemn epoch]

The real mystery is how the sync between 1 player engaged in battle and the other roaming the world would work

[quaint kelp]

How are you doing this, with ai? If so what prompt are you giving

[vital dew]

"Make Warband co-op, make no mistakes or the world blows up"

[atomic steppe]

Current plan is keep campaign tick going no matter what is happening, and freezing the battle state from the map as if it isn't happening once begun

[atomic steppe]

Def AI doing the heavy lifting, but a lot of trial and error and testing and supervision

[quaint kelp]

What prompt did you use for implementing it

I mean it was single player first right

Unless you're making the players take the bots place

[atomic steppe]

It's adding a new party into game, with a regular mod,

Ig first prompt was a preliminary research and plan with superpowers skill, and then another 20hrs of trial and error lol

[quaint kelp]

Have you tried multiple instances with multiple players

Party of four

[atomic steppe]

I just got 2 to work well lol baby steps, I can try it soon likely

[quaint kelp]

Pvp work?

[atomic steppe]

Everything crashes other then map moving

[quaint kelp]

Ah

[atomic steppe]

This is alpha of alpha rn

I think the harder part is likely done, and have a good foundation, but far from a polished state, hoping battle time will integrate well into getting multi player battle working

[quaint kelp]

I wonder if it's getting confused with main playable model and lots of cams being used as one with multiple players

I mean wouldn't it try to render the main players cam multiple times but it's using them all?

[bright roost]

Im currently working on adding more things to requirements so the repo has more tools

[atomic steppe]

No it knows client is x new party we add on connect, and makes it main player to that instance

[bright roost]

Maybe you can then implement the requirements @atomic steppe

Ill drop the file here once its ready

[quaint kelp]

Ok cool. Is syncing a issue? Maybe movement needs sync?

That or ai put in placeholders

[atomic steppe]

I can do that 🙂

[quaint kelp]

I would like a summary prompt for sure to try with a different game

[solemn epoch]

Just give it access to the game folder and provide whatever context you can in a natural language

There's no magic prompt

[quaint kelp]

Ah

What crashes first client or server

Using vscode I guess you can use live tools on the client

[solemn epoch]

Would be useful if you knew how the game works and deals with files

In Painkiller for instance you can literally unpack games' content running the exe. with the FS.ExtractPak parameter

[quaint kelp]

Painkiller co-op when

[solemn epoch]

It exists

[quaint kelp]

Oh

In The new one sure

[solemn epoch]

https://youtu.be/v4cYaKDAAAU

[quaint kelp]

Oh

Pog

[solemn epoch]

Resurrection has native Coop and you can run the original levels in it

[vagrant kernel]

Trying to get Carmageddon 2 to work with RTX Remix be like

[vital dew]

It turned the damn game into an air traffic control radar

[sharp seal]

Now do commander keen 4 rtx remix

https://tenor.com/view/keen-commander-commanderkeen-keen4-keen4e-gif-16075666938857814781

[quaint kelp]

How about 1 I found this pic

Although it's a 3d mod

[quaint kelp]

What makes a game do that

Is that culling?

[vagrant kernel]

I think it's garbage geometry data applied to a quad but I have no idea

[quaint kelp]

If you find it lemme know. It does it to some games I try

[vagrant kernel]

Got Carmageddon 1 working through OpenC1, only issue is it fills up VRAM within seconds

Finally seeing some Carmageddon with RTX is nice though

[quaint kelp]

You will have to have ai look for vram leaks. I had to do that cause I had the same problem

[rich jewel]

Have the AI buy you an Nvidia RTX PRO 6000.

[quaint kelp]

I wasn't kidding

And it fixed it down to 4gb

On my game

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, it's working on it now

[sharp seal]

29gb of vram on carmageddon 🥀

[quaint kelp]

How's it doing

[vagrant kernel]

Still filling up. It tried something once which made it crash and now we're back to filling up VRAM

But I only have had time to test like 1-2 iterations

[bright roost]

The new requirements.txt

well, just noticed tqdm is not really helpfull XD

but the others are
minhook will improve the hooks for example

[quaint kelp]

finally got home so i can try things

[vagrant kernel]

VRAM still gets filled but if I turn off RT before going into a race I can toggle it on afterwards and it works

Btw the FFP conversion for this worked pretty much immediately

[quaint kelp]

damn

i wish it didnt fill

somethings not right

[vagrant kernel]

AI is still working on it

[rose oasis]

I had this from some vertex formats that were improperly being converted

[quaint kelp]

kinda makes me wish stunts 4d was doable

[vagrant kernel]

It probably is something going from the 2D of the menu to the actual game because the geometry is all wobbly while the VRAM gets filled

[quaint kelp]

might need to anticull

[rose oasis]

bad matrices can do it too yup

do a dx9 trace while in the menu and give it to the AI to fix

[quaint kelp]

is it using any wrappers like dx8 etc

[vagrant kernel]

Just this http://1amstudios.com/projects/openc1/

Already was a DX9 port of Carmageddon but never hooked with RTX Remix

The AI made it hook and then also FFP

Probably helps that it's old af and also that the source code is on Github

[atomic steppe]

i assume the ai instructions need to be improved and include these?

[bright roost]

made a little script for installing minook and detours if needed:
launch with powershell from your vibe-re directory

[bright roost]

I think so. But you also could tell the ai to use tool x or tool y

you also can tell it, for example to compile with minhook. Library is in C:\x\x\ and header in C:\y\y\

[vagrant kernel]

Damn I'm dumb I was wondering why the game looked so weird and forgot I put the RTX preset to low. Looks so sick already with it at ultra

CR's sky putting in work as always

Bruh

This has gotta be the oldest RTX compatible game?

I guess it's a port though so stuff like Doom is older

[gloomy ginkgo]

@vagrant kernel Looks sick, I wanna try this out but I can't even get Openc1 to launch on win11, are you using a different OS?

[quaint kelp]

how old or does it run in dosbox?

[vagrant kernel]

No, I'm on Win11

[vagrant kernel]

It's from 1997 running with the XNA port I linked

[vital dew]

So far so good, got it to enable more resolutions in Trophy Hunter 2003, went from 1024x768 max to 2560x1440 🫡

[gloomy ginkgo]

I got it working with this 1.4.6 version I found of openc1, did you already post your patch somewhere? If not, any chance I could check it out? https://memorix101.itch.io/openc1

[vital dew]

So far trophy hunter has proven to be very compatible with this tool set. I believe its native fixed function but was plagued with a few issues. Frustum culling, fake shadows (like FNV) , really aggressive LOD pop ins, weird terrain blending and grass only rendering 5 feet around you. So far I've increased the max resolution and eliminated the fake shadows, gonna take a wack at LOD and culling tomorrow

[rose oasis]

so

the fnv mod is as complete as it can be for now

the first 2 commissioned projects are in at least a semi playable state and I can't get much further with them

I need a project for myself this time and wanted ur guys' opinions

• a fork of dxwrapper focused on remix compatibility
• trying burnout paradise again
• attempting to port a PS2 game to PC
• messing around with FO4 to see if I can get it working because I love to torture myself

fo4 has the highest chance of pissing me off

[muted sun]

like fallout 4 working with remix??

[rose oasis]

yes 😓

[muted sun]

I agree that fallout 4 has the highest chance of pissing you off :p

I thinking attempting to port a ps2 game is the most interesting

[rose oasis]

my plan was to try to set up a template for any PS2 game to be ported, then test it with ratchet deadlocked

[muted sun]

would open up so many doors if you could pull it off

[rose oasis]

[muted sun]

the ps2 wasn't built around shaders iirc so the chances you could get a ps2 game working with remix is higher I think

plus I assume there's a lot of documentation of how the ps2 works because of the emulators

[rose oasis]

yeah there is

I have some contacts with the pcsx2 team too so I could probably get some help

(I used to be a tester for pcsx2)

[fallow helm]

Out of curiosity, which PS2 game did you have in mind?

[muted sun]

rachet deadlocked

[rose oasis]

it was really fun and we just finished playing through it a couple weeks ago

so we know what to expect from it

I HATE typing on my phone omg

[dull swallow]

[rose oasis]

haii

[fallow helm]

I feel that so much. It is a form of torture

[rose oasis]

we normally use voice to text but we can't talk rn

bleh

[dull swallow]

Being nonverbal atm heads up, been doin that lately

[rose oasis]

[dull swallow]

Emojimaxxing

Or wth

[rose oasis]

it's nice to do that sometimes. we hope you enjoy it ❤️

[rose oasis]

did you have any in mind?

[fallow helm]

If I had to choose one, maybe Dark Cloud?

Bit obscure nowadays, but I remember my sister had it way back in the day.

[rose oasis]

looks pretty neat

I'll grab it and play it a bit. if I enjoy it I'll prob mess around with it if ratchet doesn't work out

[fallow helm]

Have fun! It is a little tough, so you may want to have a guide handy just in case. I bought a copy recently and tried it and... I did not remember the early game being that unforgiving.

[rose oasis]

we like challenges as long as it's fair

[muted sun]

is deadlock using the same tech as the othe rachet and clank games?

I know there's been quite a bit of reverse engineering work done for some of the games

[dull swallow]

[rose oasis]

it does yeah

[muted sun]

I was thinking of jak and daxter lol

-# xbox kid if that wasn't very apparent

[rose oasis]

😛 I was considering porting it but then I remembered it already had one

[fallow helm]

Ooh! That's a good one as well.

[dull swallow]

We tried to get thr re tool to run remix on halo reach

Via friends account

[muted sun]

how did that go?

[rose oasis]

already has a full PC port btw

[dull swallow]

Take 3 guesses

[muted sun]

blew up in a spectacular fashion

[dull swallow]

We dunno even what wede ask it to do

[fallow helm]

I will have to check that out then. I have been loving all of these modern PC ports coming out lately.

[rose oasis]

I think the best approach would be a generic dx11 -> dx9 wrapper which can be built on for each game

[dull swallow]

Could we like give it the decompiked shader stuff and tell it to port it to remix api or does it not know remix api

[rose oasis]

it can do remix API but it needs sample code

[dull swallow]

Aren't the shaders already decomped hmm

Iirc

[muted sun]

there's the actual shader source for reach floating around

comments and everything

[rose oasis]

don't break rules pls

[muted sun]

-# it's from the official modtools

-# not leaked or anything

[dull swallow]

So theoretically could we use those?

[rose oasis]

shaders go a long way with RE but IME they were nowhere near enough by themselves

[dull swallow]

Damn

[fallow helm]

I do love it when games have that readily available. Being able to use the official Dragon Age tools to extract its shaders has gone a long way with DA:O.

[rose oasis]

I am so excited at the thought of burnout paradise working still. I want it to so bad

[muted sun]

yeah mcc's mod tools are goated

[dull swallow]

Is that also dx11

[rose oasis]

dx9

just cursed

[dull swallow]

Ah

The great hmm can tell you how much we've tried to cheese a way into halo reach

[rose oasis]

given how difficult even halo ce is...

[muted sun]

(:

yep

for reach I would try to get the game to boot just using the dll first

the games in mcc are all dlls and the windowing get's handed off to a ue4 frontend

I've seen people do it with Halo 3 before

https://github.com/SpringContingency/HaloX

then figure out how to downgrade the game to dx9

-# I might want to do something similar for Halo CE in the future so we can get access to 64 bit (so we aren't held back by the bridge) and have access to mcc's more modern mod tools

[dull swallow]

if you can manage that

please tell us cuz like

we dunno what were doin

[rose oasis]

[muted sun]

There are defines for the xbox 360 in the MCC version of Halo Reach's shader source

[rose oasis]

after the vibe tools are in a stable place (tools stop changing so much) we plan to make some basic guides/tutorials on how to prompt it

and what to do when running into specific issues

[muted sun]

maybe ask vibe if it can find anything related to xenon in the dll

[rose oasis]

okay this isn't gonna happen but imagine the og Xbox emulator from the 360 gets ported somehow

cxbx still has so many issues

[muted sun]

or just tune up cxbx for a specific game

[rose oasis]

I don't mean for remix

just in general

[muted sun]

ahh

[rose oasis]

god I want food sssoooooo bad

btw

[candid mirage]

Cyberpunk 2077 plz!! That game desperately need NVIDIA raytracing!

this was a joke pls do not kill me

[fallow helm]

Good choice! For me, personally I think a game like Portal would be another decent pick for showing off the potential of pathtracing.

Maybe Half Life 2 as well, but let's not get too ahead of ourselves here.

[golden raven]

whats new

[dull swallow]

Each ticking second

[rose oasis]

my inability to sleep

[dull swallow]

True

[golden raven]

I've been slumped over my seat plaing death stranding for HOURS

While I wait for re9 to download

[solemn epoch]

This Steam UI is weird

[golden raven]

Mhm

New update

[vital dew]

Burnout takedown 👀

[vagrant kernel]

AI is also good for making manual USD edits that I'm too lazy to do myself btw

[sharp seal]

AI remix mods 👀

[golden raven]

Been doing that, actually

[vagrant kernel]

Wonder what else it could do to make remixing life easier

Some texture tool stuff could be good

[solemn epoch]

Remix bros in 2070 when there's not a single river left in the world

https://tenor.com/view/atomic-nuke-j-robert-oppenheimer-destroyer-of-the-worlds-death-gif-15159234

(GTAV 5 was worth it)

[misty meadow]

Mercenaries POD, Rainbow six 3 or any of the SOCOM games are in my interest

[quaint kelp]

Hmmm splinter cell

[golden raven]

fucking amazing

Figured out the DS2 Decima archive format.

[vagrant kernel]

Try and see if you can enable RT shadows

[golden raven]

This has nothing to do with RT

[vagrant kernel]

I know

[golden raven]

holyy

LOUISE??

Lou's full name is LUISE?!!!

[vagrant kernel]

Have you finished DS1

[golden raven]

yes

[vagrant kernel]

Well that fact is revealed at the end of DS1

[golden raven]

Yes but not the full name

[vagrant kernel]

Musta fallen asleep during the credits https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuuMfi2cLXA

[golden raven]

real

I probabl did

knowing how much a snoozefest DS ccan be

[quaint kelp]

@vagrant kernel did carmmagedon vram leaks get fixed?

[vagrant kernel]

Nah

Works by just turning on RT after starting a race for now

[quaint kelp]

Ah ok

[quaint kelp]

Can we re dx9 sdk to use shader model 6? I mean it's a name d3d9. dll

[vagrant kernel]

Bro is just yapping at this point

[muted sun]

why do you want shader model 6?

[dull swallow]

@rose oasis if youre avaliable, is it possible you could give me a quick rundown of how to install e mans tools with cursor cuz maybe were stupid and never did? Dunno, is it js something we ask it to use with its prompts

[rose oasis]

you just download the repository and then open the folder in cursor by doing File -> Add Folder to Workspace...

then add the game folder the same way

[dull swallow]

Alright

Thank you!

[solemn epoch]

Make sure to create the virtual environment with the Python setup before using it

It'll mess up your system Python otherwise

and yeah, Cursor is a mistake. The efficiency of GitHub Copilot makes me feel sus cause I expect them to nerf it any time soon lol

I've been using Copilot really, really heavy this week documenting PainEngine's LUA functions

67000 lines and still counting

this shit is wildly useful

[quaint kelp]

To help wrapping with the dx11 logic Kim mentioned

Dx9 is crazy with old code. When newer apis are different

I tried wrapping phasmaphobia with dx11 to 9 and it was 2 fps

[muted sun]

the shader model defines the feature set available to shaders, it's part of the directx standard. you can't simply backport shader model 6 to dx9, because shader model 6 is a DX12 feature.

[quaint kelp]

Then shaders would likely be corrupted if she ports a dx11 game

She was talking about it if you scroll way up

[rose oasis]

i've been using it for at least a year now and it's been the same

[rose oasis]

there are ways around this but i don't really wanna get into it rn

[bright ermine]

i should try this toolset for UnityRTX

might help me with some of the roadblocks with geometry having no cpu readback like ultrakill

[dull swallow]

PLEASEEEEEEEEE

Wrong emoji

[solemn epoch]

Well they did change something apparently 😄
#1481706093976621277 message

Still I've used a lot more API than the $39 plan is worth and it is at 20%

[sharp seal]

Copilot isn't greedy

Unlike cursor sub

[quaint kelp]

Claude sonnet isn't either

Just annoying

Cause it talks back

[solemn epoch]

I also find it pretty annoying when it tends to say "I'm gonna do this because this is the way to go. Actually no, I'm doing this instead"

[quaint kelp]

Yea

It drives me nuts

[solemn epoch]

In a single sentence/paragraph that is a final output, not thinking

[quaint kelp]

I wish their was a way around it

[rose oasis]

usually a sign that its context is full or that it doesn't have enough info to work with to fix the issue

I usually start a new chat with a new prompt

[quaint kelp]

I'm like will you stfu Claude I said this . Then it repeats

You need a summary of the last prompt though

For a new window

Can bloodborne be ported with re

[vital dew]

My copilot usage is stuck at 4.4% for the last couple days, not sure if its a glitch or just free usage? I imagine ill check it later and see its higher

[bright roost]

you lucky fellows

my claude usage is rising like crazy

[solemn epoch]

These do not cost premium requests

[bright roost]

huh?

[vital dew]

Im using sonnet 4.6

And thats strange because those options are 1x for me too

[vital dew]

This is through VSCode, I only have the $10 github sub

[quaint kelp]

30x on the big one damn

Hmm is dlss open source

Ok

[vagrant kernel]

Wait, I just realized something important:

Is this "reasoning" stuff just the AI being forced to start sentences with phrasing that would lead to another direction

[golden raven]

No.
Is starts with the think token

[quaint kelp]

ask it if it is

lol

[golden raven]

<think>
It will think here
</think>
The answer is written here

[golden raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1101884876602486915/1486834113422819410/VID_20260317_005729_136.mp4?ex=69c6f1ac&is=69c5a02c&hm=1d5aea68520a3557782008eb12c16e3503da09d3600a0b9c05abadd69b5c8857&

[vital dew]

Man Trophy Hunter eally doesn't like the livetools. When it tells me to start and wait at the main menu for it to attach all is well, I walk around a little to trigger some LOD pops then tell it I performed the LOD pops. Then its like "Alright I saw some writes! Do it again 5 times and let me know!" Then the game crashes right after it told me to walk around again lol

[rose oasis]

lol

[bright roost]

😂

This is hilarious

[vital dew]

Fugggg finally got rate limited, well I'll be back again later

[golden raven]

Good work, claude

[sharp seal]

What's this

[golden raven]

death stranding 2 textures format

reverse engineered

[jovial totem]

any news about this?

[golden raven]

Okay well it was a goldmine

[rose oasis]

lol

[golden raven]

well

yeah

[rose oasis]

i love how excited it gets

[golden raven]

its so over

[sharp seal]

I think @golden raven had some progress over here #1481706093976621277 message

As for me, I haven't looked at it further

[golden raven]

Claude is SO overloaded right now

[vital dew]

My claude never gets excited like yalls do, its like an emo teenager whenver I task it 🙁

[sharp seal]

https://tenor.com/view/emo-spongebob-gif-26912360

[fallow helm]

At one point it actually seemed genuinely frustrated with trying to figure out a particular game's culling.

To be fair, it had been finding dead/useless code for quite a while by that point, so I get it.

[vagrant kernel]

Does the toolset know how to inject a fake camera? Just thinking how for some games it might make be enough to keep things shadered rather than immediately go FFP

[sharp seal]

It can, this is probably the most basic task it can do

[golden raven]

Stuck

[golden raven]

Okay

Texture sets

material params

and skeletons are ready to export

Models left

[golden raven]

ughhhhh okay done

[sharp seal]

you're doing 3d reverse engineering to rip assets right?

texture and model export from game files

[golden raven]

ja

I still have no clue about the model format btw

[quaint kelp]

can you just have them export the models to usd?

even fbx will be ideal

[golden raven]

I don't know the vertex format yet

I just figured out the archive

[vagrant kernel]

My god is Claude yapping today. The logger needs adjustment to hit gameplay and then it just talks about ways to extract the matrices forever. Just adjust the dang logger and work with that data

[solemn epoch]

Magnificent! That's a Gold mine!

[vagrant kernel]

Should probably just tell it right away to adjust the logger to only log above a certain amount of drawcalls instead of always doing the whole spiel with "wait.... THATS A MENU! The player might not have reached gameplay yet" etc

[sharp seal]

anime monologue moment

[quaint kelp]

i wish claude will quit talking to itself

its like hey i wana be a human, so i got to think out loud

[solemn epoch]

Yeah, it does feel kinda old when it's trying to simulate emotion, while the user is 100% aware that it's just an LLM guessing the sequence of tokens (words) that would probably make sense

[quaint kelp]

i just told claude no again

dumb ai

its like its degrading after long use, like the modules on overload or something

[solemn epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/maximo-espectacular-dardano-gif-20543566

same kind of facepalm vibe

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-eyes-steve-buscemi-big-eyes-gif-11491116276663604660

[vagrant kernel]

So far I've had not had one of those long yapping sessions result in an actual breakthrough

They just seem like a waste of time

[quaint kelp]

i think you can tell it to turn off its feedback

but eh

[rich jewel]

Does Claude have personality options like ChatGPT to not be so talkative while thinking?

[vagrant kernel]

You can turn down the "thinking effort" but it still yaps

[quaint kelp]

i wonder if it will listen if you tell it, its not logical to yap, just work

[golden raven]

Okay just as Claude says

One last push

I got everthing exported

model format figured out using odradek

Gonna make a blender script and hope it works.

[golden raven]

guh

[solemn epoch]

Remix bros would see this and say wow it's working

[vital dew]

I dunno man I think i see some raytracing, very promising!!!

[quaint kelp]

man, its dumb. i started being polite to claude then it works

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-static-no-signal-noise-static-tv-noise-tv-antenna-gif-26178397

[vagrant kernel]

Was that supposed to be something from DS2

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-to-see-here-explosion-explode-bomb-fire-gif-4923610

[golden raven]

garbled texture decompression

[quaint kelp]

i had that i had to get the textures seperated from corruption

[vagrant kernel]

RIP

[bright ermine]

tried copilot today and holy crap the amount of times you get rate limited

[sharp seal]

Bro is trying to Reverse Engineer Tetris 🥀

[solemn epoch]

I've never encountered it with the $39 sub using GPT 5.4

And the amount of tokens I consume is insane, it almost documented the whole Engine now

FYI you can drop Ghidra folder into the repo and tell agent to use it. It will also write scripts for Ghidra and execute them

[bright ermine]

naw its not like the actual plan limit, its just randomly crapping out

[solemn epoch]

I find Ghidra to be more accurate especially when it comes to decompile

[bright ermine]

i assume its because of the claude downtime issues this week

[solemn epoch]

Ghidras decompiler is far more robust than the python decompiler included in the repo and produces actual C pseudocode

you can also make agent use Ghidras tools to load PDB if you have those

With PDB it's on the next level

[bright ermine]

ye i usually do this with cursor

im just trying copilot because its so much cheaper and generous

[crystal kiln]

Weird. The shipped decompiler should be very similar since it is based on the Ghidra's own decompiler, if not the same.
Are you asking the agent to run the decompiler using the knowledge base "kb.h" file?

[solemn epoch]

Yeah, we just suddenly discovered PDB for PainEngine that was bundled with a leaked 2009 prototype of NecroVisioN

[crystal kiln]

PDB loading is not a thing though, indeed

[solemn epoch]

NecroVisioN is the only game made on PainEngine other than Painkiller

[solemn epoch]

I've never specifically asked it no

[solemn epoch]

Yeah it's insanely good. I think they're losing a lot of money

I would've payed like $2000 by this point using Cursor

[crystal kiln]

The loop usually goes by retrofeeding its findings in the kb.h file and use it to further decomp and find more stuff over and over again

[bright ermine]

just switched it to gpt 5.4 and it stopped freaking out.. yayy

i havent touched an openai model in a long time so hopefully its up to par with sonnet

[rose oasis]

tbh i just have not had a great experience using the kb.h files for this

[solemn epoch]

5.4 has been extremely useful, although I only used it for fixing bugs in Painkiller and documenting the engine

[rose oasis]

if often fills up context incredibly quickly and any mistakes that were made by the agent making the file confuse the main model

[solemn epoch]

Never tried remix stuff

[sharp seal]

A heavy cost

[solemn epoch]

I wouldn't pay it gladly

[rose oasis]

it does some things better but mostly worse ime. i've used it for all kinds of tasks, even outside of this toolkit. sonnet regularly did better

but it's not bad by any means

[crystal kiln]

huh, interesting. kb.h should fill the context just as much as these .md files it puts together constantly but primarily be used for the decomp script.
You might need to ask it sometimes to review the doc and correct outdated hints/misconceptions.

The primary reason to have this is because the LLM prefers to disassemble and read the assembly code, but often limiting to just a few lines that don't tell the whole story, while the cpp decomp just forces it to read the whole function instead. There's got to be a way to improve this if they're getting confused

[solemn epoch]

I like how the whole #reverse-engineering thread basically moved here

[crystal kiln]

I just planted a little seed. You guys are the miracle workers around here. So nice to see so many projects sprawling out of VRET

[rose oasis]

i think we need to rework how it accesses this file. we need to explicitly say to only search it for specific lines to find what it needs instead of attempting to read it all lol

[solemn epoch]

I notice GPT 5.4 to always use Python scripts to parse large files instead of reading them straight

[crystal kiln]

Yeah. Not sure it is possible. Unless we break into separate files by "domain". Otherwise it is just how cursor native tools for llms deliver data for them.

[rose oasis]

claude searches files as well properly, but never kb.h specifically

[rose oasis]

it should just be a simple prompting change. "only search kb.h for specific lines"

ig i'll test it out

[crystal kiln]

Are you using MAX mode? I find it to be a waste, as too much context starts to confuse and make it spin in circles more often since the llm spends less quality time with each token I guess. Not to mention some models cost like 3x more when you're exceeding the non-max mode limit

[rose oasis]

i use the claude max subscription, not cursor (cursor is horrible cost-wise). i use it on the recommended settings, and i played around with them a lot too. the current ones i use are the best balance

[solemn epoch]

How's Claude Max? You've been using the 1m context model if I'm not mistaken

[rose oasis]

it's been very good

as long as i keep getting commissions i will keep this plan instead of copilot

it has enough usage for me to work on 3-4 games at once without running out

[solemn epoch]

Is it the $200 one?

[rose oasis]

$100

[solemn epoch]

Curious

Kinda tempted to try it at some point

[rose oasis]

💖

reverse engineered sims 3's shader format

[sharp seal]

Nice!

[rose oasis]

😔

nightmare scenario

sadly

TS3 is out

[vagrant kernel]

Bro started referring to getting in-game in RE4 as "getting into the village" to prove his gamer cred

[quaint kelp]

Lol

Well wasn't there a partial village somewhere?

With a gate

Had a entrance to the lake

[crystal kiln]

Ask it to make the wrapper track all shaders' "GetUniformLocation" calls to create a live map of registers location

[crystal kiln]

Is it That Village? The infamous village where you need to survive everyone hunting you including the guy with a chainsaw for like 5 minutes?

[quaint kelp]

Wouldn't a log be better to see if some are also compatible

[crystal kiln]

I think the issue is that the game rearranges the registers location with every run for some reason, so it must have to know where the registers are at some point, and the most common way to do that in OGL is "GetUniformLocation" afaik, so a DX equivalent might be used

[quaint kelp]

I guess it could also use live tools to grab them all

[crystal kiln]

Also, to rearrange the register, it might be that the game recompiles the shaders from raw source at some point, a source that is loaded procedurally by parsing strings
Can't think of why, maybe some layers of obfuscation

[vagrant kernel]

Yea, I assume. I mean it doesn't matter I just need to get in-game. I never referred to it as the village though so I found it funny that "getting to the village" became AI canon

[quaint kelp]

I hate that fight in re4

Lol

Not to mention that giant alligator

Or w/e

Wait that's re6

I don't remember

[rose oasis]

it did end up doing that

it just... it's too much for it to handle i think

[vagrant kernel]

Holy yap

Honestly, is this kinda yapping doing anything?

[crystal kiln]

Yeah, the high thinking models do a lot of that "Thinking" internal monologue, which later they summarize with thoughts that actually made more sense and weren't just stupid guesses. At least on Cursor

[crimson yacht]

Lights seem to stick around a while after the mesh has disappeared, anyone else have this issue whos worked on Directx9c/shader based games?

[rose oasis]

does the light source follow the camera around?

to me it looks like it is

but i'm not sure 🤔

[crimson yacht]

Only after the mesh dissapears, when its there its completely normal and fine

[rose oasis]

interesting

[crimson yacht]

And the streetlights and stuff are completely fine and normal and never move

[rose oasis]

is that specific geometry being rendered through shaders?

if you turn off experimental shader support in remix, does it vanish?

[vagrant kernel]

Breva hitting me with that sarcasm

[crimson yacht]

Its still there when I turn off shader support, the only thing that still renders with shaders is the UI (Going to try to have proper UI working eventually)

[rose oasis]

unfortunately i have no idea what could be causing it then

that's really strange

[crimson yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/me-after-school-gif-2567342534062922489

thanks for your input though, im sure ill figure it out eventually

[atomic steppe]

in my draft pull on the repo it includes pyghidra baked in

and knows how to take in bianry with pdb

[simple orchid]

I think I'm in denial that I can't turn off culling in tomb raider legend, and get stage lights to stay anchored on meshes

[vagrant kernel]

Anyone got any pointers what I could tell the AI to fix this. The objects in the wrong place/orbiting are ones that previously wouldn't render with RTX Remix at all. I got them in there now but they are clearly being transformed wrong. I keep telling the AI what I'm seeing but it just makes adjustements that don't change or only slightly change stuff.

[atomic steppe]

try telling it to use the dx api tracer tool with game live and maybe since it put them in if you caught what the objects are (called in the backend) tell it to look for those and audit the positioning / orbiting / transforms

[vagrant kernel]

Thank you will do!

[solemn epoch]

GPT 5.4 made Blender addon for importing Painkiller models + animations

https://youtu.be/HlJRokUagqg

It's honestly impressive how it drilled into the engine to learn what exactly the game does with animations and replicated it in Blender

Getting impressed with this stuff every day

[rose oasis]

@violet flume could you pretty please add a license to this repo: https://github.com/xoxor4d/remix-comp-base 🥺

if it ends up being a compatible license and you're okay with it (my code is MIT, and this toolkit is also MIT), i want to fork it and modify it to work with these tools. i'd ofc explicitly credit you in the imgui still and in the repository

my curreny DX9 template code is good for AI to work with, but too complex for people and lacks information. i'm hoping that doing ^ will improve both

[muted sun]

-# how would that work for my fork of the template? (the Halo CE compat mod)
-# since mine is gplv3 licensed lol

[rose oasis]

A short and simple permissive license with conditions only requiring preservation of copyright and license notices. Licensed works, modifications, and larger works may be distributed under different terms and without source code.
for MIT
https://choosealicense.com/licenses/mit/

it's very very permissive

[muted sun]

oh yeah
but I wouldn't have to change anything in my fork since I forked it before it had a license and got explicit permission to distribute it under gplv3, right? I would only have to change stuff if I were to pull stuff from xoxor's repo after a license change, correct?

[rose oasis]

if you got permission then you wouldn't need to do anything

and yeah only after pulling new stuff would you have to do anything

if he does make it MIT then afaik you would only need to give attribution, and you can distribute it as any license you want afterward. so it wouldn't be a problem anyway

[muted sun]

you also have to redistribute the copyright notice with mit

open source licenses are fun

[vagrant kernel]

Got LGBT smoke in Carmageddon 🏳️‍🌈 🫶

[muted sun]

also if you do manage to port over your fixed function and skinning to xoxor's template please ping me. still haven't gotten that fully working in Halo

[rose oasis]

this is like the exact same sound the cars make in Driver

[vagrant kernel]

Driver is a good shout how do we get that one path traced

[crimson yacht]

I depise how gemini thinks. Every other line is "Ive made a breakthrough" or "I've made a crucial discovery" and "Im zeroing in on the solution" Like it thinks its an absolute genius thinking of these incredible things and then proceeds to get it wrong every single time.

[vagrant kernel]

I've come to the conclusion that sadly I do have to use my own brain a bit when the AI is lost and wandering around. Like for the smoke in Carmageddon the AI insisted it has to undergo FFP conversion which went nowhere and took hours, even going so far as inventing reasons for why the engine OpenC1 uses is special and it'll never get picked up by RTX Remix properly ever and then I pointed it to the shader files and told it "fix it" and it was like "one line fix coming right up, here you go"

[muted sun]

need to give the llms more imposter syndrome fr fr

[solemn epoch]

You always have to be somewhat aware of what you are trying to do/fix. Sometimes fixing bugs in the game I did have to point it to the bytes that I knew affected the issue in some way, just couldn't see the full picture myself

You need to be able to provide that extra little bit of context when necessary

[solemn epoch]

Yeah, all current LLMs yap in their own way. GPT 5.4 for example has this distinct culprit: it always says "this is genuinely the first meaningful/crucial discovery" and it just keeps making this very first W discovery 😄

[rose oasis]

i opened a PR this morning @crystal kiln

it enhances the ASI patcher. i needed to do this to make a valid 64 bit patch for #1123484399246245888

[crystal kiln]

Ty vm
I still need to take some time to review and merge both your and Night's PRs

[rich jewel]

imo that's just a way to hook users into continuing to pay for them. The slot machine "one more pull" hope of getting what you want next prompt.

[violet flume]

done

[rose oasis]

🙏 thank you

[crystal kiln]

@atomic steppe @rose oasis merged both of your PRs. Thank you for the awesome work you guys have been pulling off

[sharp seal]

This toolset has enabled a lot of users to manage large scale compatiblity improvments by letting AI do all the hard work. Literal Black Magic and nothing short of a miracle for remix users

[bright roost]

A minhook integration would be nice 😅

[rose oasis]

@crystal kiln would you be against having c++ code in the toolkit? i'm working on integrating my FFP code into xor's base comp repo and then replacing my template code entirely, but it is a different language

[vital dew]

Opinions on claude max vs claude pro? Does claude pro include the 1m context models or is that just max?

[rose oasis]

only max does

[rose oasis]

complete

[muted sun]

let's gooo

[rose oasis]

i'm going to integrate the tracer module into this too. you'll plop it in the game and you can capture the trace yourself in the imgui menu instead of telling claude to do it (or running the command manually)

that way you don't need to swap DLLs and inis constantly

[muted sun]

niiiice

-# I haven't messed with the imgui stuff in the template lol

-# not sure if it even works in halo lol

[rose oasis]

https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/remix-comp-integration

if anyone wants to mess about with it

i'm still refining it

[muted sun]

231,120 additions

god damn

[rose oasis]

most of it is the deps from his code lol

but a lot of it was changed

my FFP code has been fully integrated

i'm gonna work on refining the codebase even more, remove unnecessary things, etc.

😠 anthrophic must have changed claude max's cost/usage limits. i'm maxing out within 2 hours now when normally i struggled max out the 5 hours of usage

[muted sun]

yeah

claude web was timing me out yesterday

[muted sun]

you've tried it in a game, right?

[rose oasis]

😔

https://www.rxddit.com/r/claude/comments/1s762l8/anthropic_confirmed_it_has_been_quietly_adjusting/

genuinely angry

[rose oasis]

not yet. just doing this maxed out my fucking usage

[muted sun]

rip

[sharp seal]

They're burning through water fast lol

All this remix compatibility is coming at a big big cost from AI data centers and how they work

[muted sun]

think I'll give copilot my fork, your fork, and my stripped down version of the proxy to see if copilot can port everything

[rose oasis]

do one step at a time

first do the base proxy code + my fork, then give it the relevant code from your fork in a new chat and have it finish

otherwise context will run out too quick

[muted sun]

oh yeah duh

[rose oasis]

lol this is NOT their main cost

😔

i'm upset

[sharp seal]

yeah my 3am brain isn't working correctly please excuse me

I'm just soooo tired

[rose oasis]

if they keep this usage rate, i'll max out the weekly usage in like 3-4 days

[rose oasis]

sleep!

[sharp seal]

I did, then my alarm woke me up again

[muted sun]

didn't realize you were not from the us

[sharp seal]

Yeah..

It's currently 4:30am

[vital dew]

Is this normal? Seems like the subagent is delegating to other subagents, which then delegate to another subagent?

[candid mirage]

You guys on Pro even able to select 1m context anymore? It hasnt appeared in my model selection for over a week

[rose oasis]

you have to open the chat in a different way

use this instead

then it shows up

really stupid

if you don't see that button, open a new window

[rose oasis]

lol

[candid mirage]

had to go to terminal mode run /model opus[1m] to get it to force it on
Also had to reeneable extra usage, which was probably the main issue

And now I remember why, its because everytime Id use 1m context Id instantly get hit with a Rate Limit -_-

[rose oasis]

😔

[simple orchid]

Lol anyone know what the grass/waterfall/hair textures would be called? Alpha textures? Been trying to explain to claude but he's lost 😅

[crimson yacht]

Yeah they're alpha textures, or more literally "textures with alpha"
If it's still not getting it you probably just need to start a new chat, because beyond one or two prompts the quality gets much worse

[rose oasis]

it looks like those are probably rendered through shaders to achieve additional effects? in some cases you might want to intentionally leave things in shader form as it will look better

if the grass is animated (like moves with wind), that will break if converted to FFP

(it isn't good that they're showing up as UI-like elements though)

[atomic steppe]

Yeh I saw that 5hr announcement awhile back it was nice but was probs scummy to bring people in

[rose oasis]

😭

if this keeps up i might cancel and go back to copilot

sitting around waiting for 3+ hours for the usage to reset isn't really efficient

[simple orchid]

Won't be renewing claude, just wayyyyy to many outages int he span of a week. Idk I miss cursor, for what I was doing it was pretty efficient and organized

[rose oasis]

copilot is cursor but not a ripoff

[simple orchid]

Yeah I think that's what I'll try next, copilot looking reallll good rn

[rose oasis]

$10 copilot plan has more usage than cursor's $20 plan which is kinda funny and sad at the same time

next month i'll try the $40 plan (rn i have claude's $100 plan)

[candid mirage]

This, I did 5 messages and hit my limit. Swear the timeout used to be an hour and a half not 3 😭

[rose oasis]

it has a 5 hour usage period

mine was maxed out in just an hour and a half

working on 2 separate projects, and not even that complex

last week i worked on 4 games at once and made FFP mods for all of them. and only ever maxed out my 5 hour session limit ONE time

[candid mirage]

Only took me like 25 mins, it reviewed the source for like 7 shaders, came up with a plan then said peace, Im out

[rose oasis]

😔

[candid mirage]

what does "300 premium requests" amount to relative to the normal 5 hour window pro gives?

[rose oasis]

well

you get 300 credits per month. one prompt = 1 credit. doesn't matter how long or short the message is, it uses the same credit cost

sonnet 4.6 costs 1 credit. so 300 sonnet 4.6 messages a month

opus is 3 credits. only 100 messages per month if you use it

[candid mirage]

🤮

Build more datacenters

[rose oasis]

it's better than cursor and tbh at this point maybe even claude's sub imo

https://support.claude.com/en/articles/14063676-claude-march-2026-usage-promotion

this thing ran until yesterday

probably helped a lot with usage

😔 no more

[crystal kiln]

No problem at all. There is already some code such as the wrapper templates or the ghidra stuff I pre-compiled.
My only point is: The repo should target LLM-friendlyness primarily, and require no technical knowledge, so non-technical individuals can also vibe with it 🙂

[rose oasis]

the goal of integrating this is to make a codebase that's easy for LLMs to work with and for normal coders to work with

the current template code has usability issues according to saintMath. he was working with my Wolfenstein patch to try to fix it, and it was so complex that he ended up porting it over to xoxor's codebase

i'm hoping that after this is cleaned up and optimized, it'll be easier for both to use

[crystal kiln]

Sounds good. I was going to say, primarily for llms and non-technical users, but I wouldn't oppose having some tools to speed up technical ppl's work if these tools necessary or just the better approach

[crimson yacht]

Going to try disabling frustum culling, that's easier to do in an ASI rather than in the proxy dll right?

[muted sun]

shouldn't matter I believe

would recommend using a faster model

because you probably won't get the culling disabled on the first try

[rose oasis]

you would def want to do the ASI

[muted sun]

why is that?

[rose oasis]

frustum culling requires directly patching the game. it can be done from a proxy, but you end up with a bunch of extra wrapper code that you don't really need + the complexity of having another layer between the game and remix

doing an ASI patch is usually a lot easier

[muted sun]

ahhh

duh
-# xoxor's template has a lot of that already

[rose oasis]

for xoxor's code it makes sense because it's intended to be an all in one patch, and a lot of the games he worked on required control over specific variables in imgui. in that case yeah you'd def want to do it in the wrapper

[muted sun]

yeah

oh btw I took some of the files from your fork of the template

seem to working a little bit better

[rose oasis]

awesome

i'm finalizing it now

[muted sun]

not nearly as crash prone

[rose oasis]

this is the full feature set

because it's a good test, i might try porting the FNV code over to it. would give some nice control over things like the passed through DX9 light sources and such

[muted sun]

had to yoink a few files instead of rebasing because my fork is pretty different than xoxor's template at this point
mine uses a different build system lol

[rose oasis]

🔥

release your own template now lol

[muted sun]

-# I just asked copilot to make it build with a build.bat instead of having to setup the build and use visual studio

[rose oasis]

i'll prob do that to bring it back in line with the old system

[rose oasis]

can you think of any other improvements i should make?

[muted sun]

making it use a proxy instead of an asi is nice

Halo doesn't like like ASIs lol

[rose oasis]

🤔

for what

ohhh i see

yes i agree

i like this system in concept, but in practice it ends up causing a lot of issues

[muted sun]

I like how it's all layed out and the namespace stuff

[rose oasis]

unfortunately, this kinda reduces what exactly it can do in terms of the culling stuff i think

[muted sun]

this is what I'm doing for culling
https://github.com/TheGreatHMMMM/halo-rtx-compat/blob/87007df0315304dd64c8ac8b36943528667e4201/src/comp/game/game.cpp#L123

[rose oasis]

that's some clean code

nice

[muted sun]

thx

[rose oasis]

🤔 i don't think i can do this sadly

it'd require massive reworks

i personally prefer the proxy solution, but it'd require reworking a significant portion of xor's code. and considering he did actually know what he was doing & is very good at it, i'd rather trust his work lol

with that, i believe my implementation is complete

a lot of code was simplified and removed to reduce chances of wasting context for LLMs

[muted sun]

-# I just asked copilot to do it lol

pro tip: having copilot bisect your code with a smaller model is very very helpful if you run into issues

[rose oasis]

@

@muted sun

i mistakenly ported an old version with a bunch of issues 😭

but it was relatively painless to port

[muted sun]

oh no

gonna be sick

[rose oasis]

😭 wat

[muted sun]

two seperate thoughts lol

i mistakenly ported an old version with a bunch of issue
oh no

.
gonna be sick (as in the compat mod is going to be sick)

-# little scatter brained rn

[rose oasis]

🤣

[muted sun]

wonder how difficult it would be to add a fov slider to the imgui

[rose oasis]

relatively simple

this was one of the main reasons i wanted to port xor's code

it's an amazing template to add all sorts of controls and functions that we couldn't have before

[muted sun]

awesome

[rose oasis]

just find the address that LODs are controlled at, then add the slider to the imgui

[muted sun]

having an fov slider for Halo would nice

[rose oasis]

it wouldn't be a generic slider

and it's a simple enough task that you can just ask copilot to do it

it should get it pretty quickly

i updated the code a lot btw and it knows his codebase pretty well now

[rose oasis]

okay

wow

so porting FNV was pretty painfless

well. managed to stretch usage for 3 1/2 hours

i wouldn't recommend anyone use the new code yet. it has some issues i'm working on fixing. mainly structure. each mod that it makes should be entirely self contained. just take the folder from patches and upload it to github and it's a complete repo

right now it's not doing that

[bright roost]

And i wonder why i hit limit so early when trying to fix geometry hashes and LOD pop-ins in Underground 2

[candid mirage]

My conversations last no longer than 30 mins honestly, reverse engineering is apparently very tasking

[bright roost]

It is yes.

[naive kindle]

Just wanted to add that when using an .asi, PIX can be usd to inspect the modified drawcalls and Vertex declarations (I turned your wolf2009 proxy mod into an .asi and just did that 🥳 )

[vagrant kernel]

Premium requests ran out 😭 I guess getting Copilot Plus at some point is inevitable

Shouldn't have wasted any trying to force RT in Nioh 3

[solemn epoch]

The $39 plan really is worth it IMO

Have been using GPT 5.4 for more than a week like crazy

2 weeks, actually

[bright ermine]

where are yall finding this $39 plan, i only get access to the $10 one