Vibe Reverse Engineering Toolset

[brisk trench]

I had d3d9.shadermodel = 0, commented that out and commented customdeviceid

basically turned off all the settings in dxvk

[quaint kelp]

a simple setting can be overlooked, its not your fault

[rose oasis]

just noticed that the new claude skills don't include anything for my proxy so it won't know how to properly utilize it. i'll include this in my next PR

[quaint kelp]

i had to tell claude to clone the repro

lol

[rose oasis]

https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/skinning-support

[sharp seal]

Can we expand Claude's knowledge based on some context? I have a few chapters from a shaders book that I think could help if Claude could learn from it

[rose oasis]

you can but it would fill context rapidly and reduce how effective it is

you would want to break it down into small notes and include it as potential references if it needs them, instead of telling it to read through a large chunk of text

[sharp seal]

-# one chapter has around 700-800 pages

🥀

[golden raven]

Lmao

[rose oasis]

i mean

[golden raven]

You can tell it to extract the most useful data and build an easier to digest summary

[rose oasis]

go through with claude sonnet like this:
manually copy the most useful areas yourself
paste them into the chat
have claude break it down into useful notes

do this with a bunch of things, then compile it into one SKILL.md file

then do one final pass with opus and have it compact it into a useful but short list of information

[sharp seal]

Ok I'll try that. The book has chapters on how fixed function works and how to emulate FF through shaders

I think only those parts matter

Most of it is just asm code examples and basic vs1.0-vs3.0 opcodes, instructions and their usage

[rose oasis]

wouldn't include the last part if it's just simulating the look of FF games but through shaders. but maybe finding information on how to make very simple shaders that would be more compatible with remix would be good

[quaint kelp]

you can have it create logs for the game as well for missing geometry bugs etc

on execution of the exe

[sharp seal]

i may have overestimated

[golden raven]

Yeah I've been using logs a lot

[rose oasis]

for context, more than ~10 pages at once being fed into claude and it will start to fail massively

[quaint kelp]

feeding ai knowledge on coding could be useful though

[rose oasis]

yes logs are 100% necessary

[rose oasis]

ONLY the complex stuff that's more obscure though

[rose oasis]

entire proxy workflow we made is designed around a log file

[quaint kelp]

i think is reading hex too

[golden raven]

This game is soooo bad with Fullscreen and resolution. Every single relaunch just rearranges all my windows.

[quaint kelp]

suggestion on instructions when this is used to have it create logs for your project, kim?

[sharp seal]

no way im going to give a full book, but only chapters 6, 7 and 9 are important when it comes to shaders and FF understanding https://user.xmission.com/~legalize/book/download/

[quaint kelp]

what if we feed it c++ for dummies

lol

[sharp seal]

i think the AI is already very good these days for basic to intermediate C++

i wouldn't call it advanced C++ but it does the job

[quaint kelp]

i think its looking at old logic and mixxing it with new too much. its back and forth alot

[sharp seal]

maybe a sort of memory?

its confusing by retaining old information

[quaint kelp]

i mean we have to open chat windows all the time

its like the ai gets dementia after too much use

lol

[golden raven]

Auto summary helps, I guess.

[quaint kelp]

when used alot it will not go back to the first prompt where you started chat and researches what you typed

then it starts acting like gpt

lol

[golden raven]

You're absolutely right

[quaint kelp]

i guess its a overload of information that it gradually decipates

[rose oasis]

yes

it's called context length

too many tokens in the context and it will begin to lose information

this is why you start new chats often

[quaint kelp]

yes but we want to continue where we leave off or it gets confused to what we were talking about in previous windows

[rose oasis]

tell it to maintain a document with notes about the reverse engineering process

then tell the new chat to reference it

[quaint kelp]

i guess it could write a document and i can reference it

[crystal kiln]

Usually AI models already know all that stuff, you'll want to feed it more niched stuff like the common pitfalls and strategies that work best for the tasks it will be put through rather than emphasizing stuff it was already trained on web data

[rose oasis]

all of my projects use this method and it works

[rose oasis]

✨ i found some info specific to one game engine for example, gave it to claude, and it worked

[quaint kelp]

is it possible to have multiple references but in a github

be storage yes but still

people can share data

[rose oasis]

you'd want to git clone any github repositories you're asking it to reference

[crystal kiln]

Don't hesitate cloning repos of codes you know the game uses so it can read through it. Examples like Morrowind with the MGEXE or OpenMW engine, have a clone of dxvk-remix locally so you can point it too

[rose oasis]

but yes

i used the openbarnyard project to help it with fixing culling the rest of the way for example

worked properly

[quaint kelp]

okay

[sharp seal]

I asked chatgpt about the specific book I have in mind, it does have it's knowledge about what it's about but the only limitation is that it can't summarize niche chapters, concepts or sections in detail 😓

That is however expected. But I mean if there's already training done on the data already then no use feeding back the same information

[rose oasis]

yeah

like i would only give it information if it REALLY needs it

and if it is useful for other projects then make it a note in the way that i described earlier

[sharp seal]

I'm not aware of any information that can result in shader based games to be made FF and their techniques that much. Because no one really tried to do that back then

[quaint kelp]

has anyone re a game before direct x was a thing to make it direct x?

[sharp seal]

That's... basically a wrapper lol

[quaint kelp]

yea but i mean it would eliminate other wrappers

and soley for remix

[rose oasis]

well i mean

there are the glide wrappers

[sharp seal]

I can think of rendition vérité Speedy3D (MS-DOS) or RRedline APIs that were present before DirectX was a thing but they're since been converted to modern APIs using wrappers

[rose oasis]

afaik early glide may predate dx?

hm

[quaint kelp]

thats what i mean we used wireframes back then didnt we?

[rose oasis]

🤔

[sharp seal]

Kind of in the middle, think 1993-1994

[quaint kelp]

theres a way to make a wireframe into a model though from researching

[golden raven]

What is bro saying

[quaint kelp]

sec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZDV0ccKxjE stuff like this

remember how doom 1 read the map

[rose oasis]

yeah

[sharp seal]

What will this do though? I'm not sure I understand what you want to do with wireframe models

[rose oasis]

but wireframe wouldn't be helpful

[quaint kelp]

ok

[rose oasis]

and you wouldn't have textures

[quaint kelp]

oh

[quaint kelp]

i was thinking we could convert them to usd and use them as dos game replacements. i was wrong

[sharp seal]

dos games to remix would be insane

[quaint kelp]

i know

i wast to play stunts 4d remix

lol

[sharp seal]

Elite ball knowledge

[quaint kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/megarace-jerma-3do-have-a-nice-death-baby-3do-system-gif-12109656118881569535

[sharp seal]

But it's all software though, nothing in that era ever particularly targeted 3d accelerators primarily

Your best bet was a trusty 386 to do all your work

[quaint kelp]

was there a directx 1?

i dont rem

[rose oasis]

2

[quaint kelp]

what games has that

lol

im guessing quake 1

[rose oasis]

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_Direct3D_2-7_games

[sharp seal]

Started around late 1995. Your best bet would be the windows 95 doom port, which is based on dx1

[quaint kelp]

humm

[rose oasis]

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/POD:_Planet_of_Death

this game is pretty neat

https://images.gog-statics.com/27bdb0925da242d6a8e92f7f600c68fd1043ce3cd4c811e8a48bc741d33e4e8e.jpg

d3d2

[sharp seal]

MechWarrior 2 👀

[quaint kelp]

😮

remix when

lol

2d planes suck

lol

[sharp seal]

My father played this really really old game on his DOS work pc, it kinda looked like weird dragons you fly around an island

Sadly I don't remember the name

Really obscure

[fallow helm]

Definitely doable. That came out the same year Shadows of the Empire's PC did, and that works probably the best of any game I have tried so far.

[quaint kelp]

i mean if you can make replacement 3d models for the 2d models

hmm

my wireframe idea popped in my head but that would be wrong

[sharp seal]

2d models?

[quaint kelp]

the landscape

billboards

[fallow helm]

If the hashes for them could be stabilized, then maybe.

[quaint kelp]

i dont have the game or would try

[fallow helm]

I do have to wonder what the earliest possible game that could work would be?

[quaint kelp]

resident evil maybe?

dx3

[fallow helm]

Possibly. The only issue would be the pre-rendered backgrounds. I tested Final Fantasy VII (2013 Steam version) a bit, but the backgrounds stumped me.

[quaint kelp]

i giess if you could model out the landscape it would look good

[rose oasis]

well, the one i linked is entirely 3d

except for distant geometry which are 2d planes, but easy to replace

it is also from 1997

sonic 3d is from 1995 and might work

[fallow helm]

Yeah, I think that one is 100% feasible.

[fallow helm]

That could be an interesting test.

[sharp seal]

How about NFS1 or NFS2SE games

That's a pretty respectable project to work on

Maybeee add in NFS III If I skipped it 🫣

[quaint kelp]

nfs3 hot pursuit

i love that one

was test drive on pc?

[sharp seal]

Yes, I think

Can safely skip nfs1 since that one's purely dos

[fallow helm]

I can't even imagine trying to hook Remix into DOSBox...

[sharp seal]

It's best not to imagine to save some leftover sanity

😅

[fallow helm]

Oh, if I had any left, dealing with MGS 2 eradicated the remainder.

[quaint kelp]

does mgs1 work?

[fallow helm]

Last I checked, it would freeze upon attempting to load with DXWrapper (or maybe with both DXWrapper and Remix. Been a while since I tried.) In theory, it should be possible to get it to work, though.

[sharp seal]

or we reverse engineer ePSXe to work with remix using this toolset?

[vagrant kernel]

How about Trespasser

I got it working but it was very busted

[fallow helm]

Eh... reverse engineering MGS 1's PC port itself would probably be easier. Although as a general project... could be interesting.

[quaint kelp]

been trying to get neverwinter 1 goin but i gave up long ago

[sharp seal]

Having 1 or 2 old emulators figured out would he pretty nice consider you get to have a lot more games compatible in one go

[quaint kelp]

speaking of emulators. any luck using the proxy with them

[sharp seal]

But I think mgs1 can be worked on quite easily

[rose oasis]

could use this to finish the PCSX2 work

[sharp seal]

Which proxy?

[quaint kelp]

9

sorry kims directx 9 proxy

[rose oasis]

ohh

the proxy template

[fallow helm]

There are a few PS2 games I would love to see Remixed for sure.

[rose oasis]

no you wouldn't use a proxy for this

you'd fork the original code and then modify it

[muted sun]

could maybe make some progress on it if you gave the llm this
https://github.com/OpenTrespasser/JurassicParkTrespasser

[vagrant kernel]

It already looked at that itself

[muted sun]

damn lol

[vagrant kernel]

And then pretty much just broke what it already had what was working every time

[rose oasis]

you want to git clone it locally

it will do much better like that

when it does web requests it doesn't have appropriate context for the code and also often fails to fetch it properly

[quaint kelp]

i never knew how to pull or fork a github

i just downloaded

[muted sun]

is that repo the complete source code?

[rose oasis]

https://fabiensanglard.net/trespasser/

[muted sun]

damn lol

wished more games just had the source code laying around

[quaint kelp]

https://github.com/id-software

[brisk trench]

So good

[vagrant kernel]

Daym!

[muted sun]

look at me... I am the xoxor4d now...

-# also realizing just now that xoxor's username is probably a reference to asembly

-# lol

[vagrant kernel]

It's not

Didn't you watch the required viewing xoxor lore Nvidia interview

[muted sun]

nope

what is it in reference to?

[golden raven]

Almost

@rose oasis for some reason when I mark the terrain textures as decal, everything turns grey

I have played around with the scene scale and direction settings but no effect

[muted sun]

wordle be like

[rose oasis]

hmm. not entirely unexpected

[rose oasis]

had the same issues with this in MGRR. dump a log with the proxy when that menu is open and have it troubleshoot it. for us it was incorrect matrices for 2d elements

[golden raven]

Do I have to add logging for the ui?

[rose oasis]

you're using my proxy template code in e-man's tools, right? a full d3d9 wrapper?

if so, it has logging functions built in. it should know how to utilize them & should already be doing so

it's set at a 50 second delay by default. so if you just sit there in-game with the pause menu open it should capture it in the log. then tell it the menu is broken and to fix it based on the log

[golden raven]

Hm. It decided to create its own logging system. I told it to merge features from the template.

[rose oasis]

🤔

[golden raven]

Alright. Stabilized more things.

Terrain rendering is still an issue but later

[vagrant kernel]

From my experience GPT is much more reliable and faster than the Claude stuff

[rose oasis]

in mine, chatgpt completely borked every single project i tried it on 😭

[vagrant kernel]

Claude Opus and Sonnet couldn't fix the culling in Total Overdose in like double the time it took GPT-5.4 to fix it. The live hooking also worked way better and what it wrote made more sense

[rose oasis]

interesting

[golden raven]

bad rng

[rose oasis]

well, i'm glad it worked for u

[golden raven]

I wonder what's the best way to calculate scene scale

[rose oasis]

measure the character's arm ✨

[vagrant kernel]

GPT works faster but is def also chewing through premium quota faster

[golden raven]

Claude is just... slow

I wonder if grok 4 would be any better.

I've heard it's pretty damn good.

[muted sun]

watching claude talk to itself is like watching paint drying

[rose oasis]

yeah

come back once in a while and there's progress, maybe

or maybe it turns out the paint doesn't look how you expected 😭

[sharp seal]

Yeah the paint is all watery sometimes and doesn't stick

If the solution is found pretty early in a new chat then it's good

[golden raven]

Who did yuck to grok

[sharp seal]

But as soon as something difficult appears it'll only get worse as the chat progresses

[rose oasis]

i did. the people who made it are 🤮, the model is 🤮, and supporting them by using it is 🤮

[golden raven]

Whatever

I'm gonna give it a shot

ain't like gpt isn't killing 4000 middle school girls in iran

[rose oasis]

musk is just terrible

but w/e one or two prompts isn't gonna change much

[crimson yacht]

Using my current proxy wrapper, Sonic adventure 2 can now be raytraced, but any lights placed in the toolkit and a fallback light rotate and move with the camera, Claude can't seem to figure out why this happens, just wondering if anyone else has experienced this and knows why?

[rose oasis]

well, that's what happened in barnyard before the fixed function patch. the geometry in your game is likely being rendered through vertex shaders which breaks remix's ability to anchor things properly

[golden raven]

Okay I don't know what I did

But remix is just HARD crashing

I can confirm that it's not my patches

I removed them

It's not the confs either

Also deleted the dxvk cache

Guh

[solemn epoch]

I feel the same, I'm fixing obscure issues in an old Polish game 2nd day in a row and it's been really good

[vagrant kernel]

Is the old Polish game Painkiller?

[solemn epoch]

I think it's time to take a break

[sharp seal]

Bro is wasting money

For two fixes

[rose oasis]

wtf

[solemn epoch]

[crimson yacht]

bro got slightly carried away

[vagrant kernel]

How long did you have it running breh

[quaint kelp]

lol

[solemn epoch]

almost 2 days straigh

[quaint kelp]

damn

[rose oasis]

👀

idk if i'd call that doing "really good" holy shit

[sharp seal]

He just dried up a local river for $150

[solemn epoch]

Sadly like 70% of the cash was wasted by me trying to make it restore like the whole function the developers just deleted from the game

It was known to be an impossible task because you can't just code cave something so immense

But I kept getting interesting results So I got carried away indeed

[rose oasis]

yeah i've gone on tangents like that

[solemn epoch]

In the end I'm really impressed with GPT5.4, it's been very good at setting breaks and disassembling exactly where I expected it to, it is able for sure

The crazy usage is on me consuming too much copium

And the fact that cheeky bugga did actually provide promising results!!

until it hit a dead end saying that the Engine enters bad state long before the function I was trying to restore so without the source code it's impossible to make it work

[vagrant kernel]

I'm still on my Github trial

$0 spent

[crimson yacht]

One claude opus prompt and its fixed! thanks!

Now gotta fix textures!

[sharp seal]

Bro cursor is scamming you like a cheap hoe

it's time to switch

[rose oasis]

cursor is shit

claude pro or copilot

[solemn epoch]

Well I did use a wild amount of tokens. Actually really surprised that it never lost the context

It reverse engineered like half the engine by the 13th hour or so lol

Honestly it should've probably told me that the cause is lost much earlier lol

[vagrant kernel]

Did you at least know it was charging you a billion bucks

[solemn epoch]

Yeah I allowed it to

[vagrant kernel]

Or did it go like "thanks for using our services btw here is your bill"

Ok, that's good

[solemn epoch]

I don't go outside much and don't have a social life so I do have a lof of cash to spare on shit like this 😄

[golden raven]

Guess I just had to restart my computer.

[vagrant kernel]

As someone who'd pay $150 easily for DS1 path traced I understand it

[crystal kiln]

Huh, guess my building crashed into a car.
Other than that, @rose oasis 's template worked almost first try (I already started exploring before the template came out) 🙂 (set shaderModel=3 in dxvk.conf so U2 is now shader based)

[quaint kelp]

lol

[sharp seal]

A heavy cost (for compatibility), I'd pay it gladly Sean Bean gif

[solemn epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/a-heavy-cost-i-pay-it-gladly-sean-bean-equilibrium-gif-13368725658338248877

I'm literally paying

Merciful Lord save me

[sharp seal]

Peak consumerism

[quaint kelp]

food money but hey w/e floats your boat

[solemn epoch]

I like to rationalize these things by the fact that I'm not paying for the alcohol or other shiet

so it's even

[quaint kelp]

ye

i get it

ive been on kims vscode branch all day

lol

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

[crimson yacht]

Pretty sure SA2 is now completely FF, just have to fix every object being at the worlds center when not using Fused World-view mode in View-transform

[crimson yacht]

^if anyone has experience with this one as well, let me know, as I have a sneaking suspicion it could be literally anything

[golden raven]

Crowds?

[crystal kiln]

That is what I'm after

[solemn epoch]

Common sense is struggling real hard against the urge to start grinding The Witcher 1 right now

[golden raven]

Xoxor is working on handmade patches. I want him to work his magic.

[crystal kiln]

Ahh gotcha. Yeah let's let xoxor cook then. I'm mostly trying to refine the flow with more examples of working game so we can create a more generalized set of tools to inspect each games inner workings

[dull swallow]

you know burrito

[rose oasis]

i have one more PR but it needs pretty extensive testing. i've been using it all day and got good results with it (gta 3 patches) but i'm not 100% sure it's good. would you be willing to mess with it a bit? it'd be the last thing to be merged before you did any extensive reworks/overhauls

https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/skinning-support

[dull swallow]

if you where able to get rouge trooper to work even tho it was basically doomed before that gives me hope for wolfenstein 2009

[golden raven]

That's good. I've been slowly chipping away at rogue trooper.
The game is a perfect candidate because rogue trooper redux is a remaster with full pbr but the rendering is so bad that they aren't even using SSR.

[golden raven]

Yeah, it's full fixed functions now. Xoxor couldn't find the whatever vertex something but Claude did it in like half an hour. Not trying to shit on xoxor, it's whatever. But still.

Maybe he could even take over from here.

But I'll let the man work on need for speed.

[dull swallow]

yeah

the only thing keeping me from wolfenstein 2009 is that i dont know what to prompt it right

[sharp seal]

Perfect opportunity to waste all of your cursor credits

[golden raven]

I don't know either. I'm just taking it raw and hoping for the best.

[dull swallow]

well that and

[vagrant kernel]

Didn't xoxor write something up regarding what the issues were

[sharp seal]

Cursor sub down the drain

[vagrant kernel]

Like packed UVs or whatver

[dull swallow]

basically "dead ends" and bad bsp iirc

[sharp seal]

Please please please @dull swallow apply for the free copilot pro 30 day trial it's worth it

[dull swallow]

oh well

[sharp seal]

🥺

[dull swallow]

the problem is im still stupid

we dont know what we would do to get wolfenstein to work

[crystal kiln]

I could play with it for maybe Hitman 2 which has more skinning data and a borked camera

[dull swallow]

or if were even setting up the tools right

[sharp seal]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-angry-ishowspeed-overwhelmed-i-show-speed-ishowspeed-early-stream-gif-10270539420371864887

[rose oasis]

🙏

i just don't want the work i did to get left behind when major reworks happen 😆

[golden raven]

Honest to God. Fix one thing and then start a new chat.
You won't be charged for prompt processing fees and the model will perform better.
I've seen it get stuck on a single problem for ages until I restart and it just works.

[sharp seal]

Speaking of hitman, why didn't we all think of Blood money by now

[rose oasis]

cuz it sucks

[sharp seal]

No don't say that wtf

Have I been ragebaited

[rose oasis]

yus

[solemn epoch]

Claude did it in like half an hour.
Yeaah, the tech is honestly crazy. I also fixed something really, really obscure that even the best of the best in the community had to absolutely explode to fix
Ghidra did not manage to recognize that part of the code as a function, so even I had to go out of my way to find out which bytes made up the function. (C)

[golden raven]

@crystal kiln some rtx remix specific info would be nice too. Like how does remix expect skyboxes to look like. What's the correct form for terrain baking. How are lights expected etc.

[rose oasis]

yus that would be great

in a separate file than the main prompt, tell it to reference it only if the mod is for remix compatibility (keeps context low, i did that in my last updates)

[golden raven]

Ai models are just good at consuming tons of data. A person would have to manually sift through hundreds of lines of hex to find a thing. Some stuff could get overlooked or just slip through the cracks. And it takes a looot of time to understand data. An ai model just looks at a whole bunch of tokens and it can just see the full picture in one go.

It's a great data analysis tool

[solemn epoch]

Yeah, the reason why it's also been great at locating code caves

Like it just finds it

Chaining stuff through multiple code caves in like a minute

and it works

[crystal kiln]

Context window size plays a huge role in this. The more data/tokens it has to look for during the "attention" phase, less "quality time" it can spend with each token independently. IOW -> More text makes AI pay less attention per "word"

[golden raven]

Yeah I know that

[crystal kiln]

That one would be sick. The base graphics are already pretty good

[golden raven]

The latest tokens in the context take the most precedence

Did I use the right word

But anyways. Yeah. I've been fucking with LLMs for almost 2 years now.

[sharp seal]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-malone-the-office-waste-time-gif-12642368

[golden raven]

Lol. I did use that trick in my game modding work

[vagrant kernel]

I've been thinking GPT might have been working better than Claude for me cause of the larger context size

[golden raven]

Saw a game which allows llm powered characters to interact with the player. The ai needed tons of info about the game world to be immersive so I squashed every bit of information in structured JSON lists

[golden raven]

Claude actually does support over 200k context

The barrier is artificial

[solemn epoch]

There's a Skyrim mod for that

crazy stuff

[golden raven]

The game I'm working on was built with llm characters in mind but the prompt structure was hot ass

I had to mod it to redo everything

[vagrant kernel]

Is there a setting for that in VS Code

[golden raven]

No, it's imposed by your plan

Prompt processing is expensive

[solemn epoch]

LLM in games really is a promising concept, I would even buy a separate piece of hardware to accelerate it

[golden raven]

That's why Claude will eat up far more usage if your chat is getting full

[golden raven]

Mine even supports tools.
Hey, pick up that thing.
What is this?
Scan the area.
Do a dance.

Etc

[sharp seal]

rtx 6000 pro blackwell with 96gb vram would run a decent ish model locally

[solemn epoch]

You don't need cutting edge coding reverse engineering fortune-teller models to answer "What do you think about the ongoing civil war in Skyrim"

[solemn epoch]

but yeah goes without saying I would pay gladly

[golden raven]

No way it'll fix a 400b model like glm

[crimson yacht]

Oh, claude haiku

Object positions have been fixed but textures are blurred and distorted, but progress is progress!

[crystal kiln]

Seems like pure vertex color, no textures at all

[crimson yacht]

I swear sometimes I see them briefly distorted but then there are things like the rings that are completely white, so I think you're correct

[golden raven]

Your first mistake is using haiku

[crimson yacht]

I know, but its cheap and I was seeing if it was capable of litterally anything, turns out it was not

[golden raven]

It's their least capable model

[crimson yacht]

Definitely could have guessed lol

[crimson yacht]

The robot fixed the textures! All I gotta do now is fix UI and sky textures not working

[crimson yacht]

1 gigabyte log file, that's how you know youre doing it right!

[rose oasis]

omg

tell it to only capture one frame if it's getting too much data

by default it captures 3 in a row

[sharp seal]

Btw guys, has anyone figured out unstable hashes on character models for older FFP games?

Specifically a way to capture data from CPU skinned meshes

[golden raven]

I believe you'll have to send the whole skinned mesh, rig, animation and other data to the GPU and then render it ffp via gpu

[brisk trench]

I wish I could try this with The Italian Job game the 2002 one, but for some weird reason that game refuses to start on my PC anymore. It used too, even looked in reg edit, no idea.

[sharp seal]

yeah, like shift the task from CPU to now be GPU based, iirc this would require an engine level modification

[golden raven]

Aren't all mods here engine level

[dull swallow]

Some are renderer level

[rose oasis]

😰 alright i got claude max

[quaint kelp]

I already used 49 percent of my max but it's faulty in spots

[carmine rose]

Why am I just hearing about these tools

Do I get to ditch manual ghidra now?

[quaint kelp]

Refining with gpt 5.4

[rose oasis]

not fully, but a lot of it can be done in this

[quaint kelp]

Seems opus likes putting placeholders

Or empty code in areas

[solemn epoch]

Not if you are money conscious 😄

[carmine rose]

Don't have to pay per token on copilot you pay per premium request which can be shitloads of tokens

[rose oasis]

well

idk if i'd say that

yeah

if you just do copilot you'll be fine

can do a ton with just $10 a month

[carmine rose]

I use copilot

[quaint kelp]

Copilot isn't a option for a ai in vscode just got and the others

[carmine rose]

one premium request can be a whole agent many step stuff

[quaint kelp]

Gpt

[carmine rose]

GitHub copilot is built into vscode tho

[solemn epoch]

What makes you consider Claude Max?

[rose oasis]

tons and tons of usage per month. once copilot maxes out you have to pay separately for more credits, which is less cost effective. just using claude max is a more worthwhile investment at that point

i'm trying it for one month to see how it goes

if it works well i'll let you guys know

[quaint kelp]

Oh I see

30 usd is expensive though

[rose oasis]

🤔

copilot is $10

[quaint kelp]

I paid on GitHub

For the premium

I might have messed up

D:

[golden raven]

What ide?

[rose oasis]

VS Code

[quaint kelp]

Can I get the link where the 10 usd one is please in a dm

[rose oasis]

https://github.com/settings/copilot/features

[quaint kelp]

Ty

Why did I get premium? I wasted money lol

[solemn epoch]

Is this good? 1500 premium requests (I assume this means 1500 Opus 4.6/GPT 5.4 requests?) seems very generous?

$60 Cursor sub lasted me literally 20 hours

[quaint kelp]

I think that is the one I have

39

[rose oasis]

yeah cursor is so shit

[golden raven]

Not sub. Api

[solemn epoch]

Well ofc, Composer 1.5 is shit anyhow

[golden raven]

Look who came around

[rose oasis]

i've never used it. opus's cost is 3 credits per prompt. sonnet 4.6 is just 1x

it is very good still

[rose oasis]

dude i've hated on cursor for a long long time

[golden raven]

Ah good

We can be friends

Could

If you weren't cringe about source

[rose oasis]

maybe you're cringe about source 😆

[solemn epoch]

Ah "credits" = "premium requests"?

[golden raven]

Refer to my genitals

[rose oasis]

yeah

FWIW i have used sonnet 4.6 for just about all of my RE work in the last 2 days

so you get 1500 prompts with this essentially

and each one can go for up to ~20 minutes

[golden raven]

Guh. I've been using opus

[atomic steppe]

And Claude max just got 1m context

[rose oasis]

this is why i got it

[golden raven]

Kinda stuck on one issue

[atomic steppe]

With actual good context retention apparently

[golden raven]

Since when

[rose oasis]

3 days ago

[solemn epoch]

This really does sound amazing

[golden raven]

Guh?

[solemn epoch]

Maybe I must pay again rn

[rose oasis]

🤔

[golden raven]

I've been getting a compaction every 200k context

[rose oasis]

where do you see 1500 requests?

the normal requests per month are 500 total for the normal plan

if it really is 5x then it should be 2500

[solemn epoch]

It says 300 for me

[dull swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470508364680134736/1481703112904544297/hv6rtcs4i52f1.gif

[atomic steppe]

Installing Claude code on powershell, gives you a lot more features, and use /model to choose 1m

[rose oasis]

😭 wtf did they change it

[golden raven]

Guh

GUH

[solemn epoch]

That's our fault

Remixers have been drying rivers hard lately

[sharp seal]

https://tenor.com/view/a-heavy-cost-i-pay-it-gladly-sean-bean-equilibrium-gif-13368725658338248877

[rose oasis]

it can't be used in the normal extension in vscode?? 😭

[atomic steppe]

I don't know

[rose oasis]

gonna try it ✨

[sharp seal]

do you have to give copilot access to the API or is this claude extension in VScode

[atomic steppe]

In CLI you can also use sonnet 4.6 1m

[rose oasis]

this is claude max in claude's extension

[rose oasis]

i'm gonna figure out how ot add that

[atomic steppe]

Maybe that list scrolls idk

[solemn epoch]

Kim, what is the "best" repo to use with Copilot currently? Not even necessarily for Remix specifically, I just need it to perform in general RE similarly to Cursor if it makes any sense

Also why can't Copilot use existing Cursor rules/skills/instructions?

[rose oasis]

hm. well, on mine i have some new features for the d3d9 proxy template to allow claude to add gpu skinning easier to games. i also reworked all of the prompt templates to function better

but those changes focus specifically on remix. e-man's main repo should function about the same for general RE tasks right now

https://github.com/Kim2091/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/tree/skinning-support

[golden raven]

why

[rose oasis]

i had to set effort to high

[golden raven]

Still nothing

Plus effort is just how long it things

[rose oasis]

wow okayy

opus 1m fixed an issue with only 3% of my 5 hour usage period, when sonnet took 9% of it and didn't do shit

[golden raven]

That's opus for you

[rose oasis]

it allots more tokens to it too, i found out

https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/effort

[golden raven]

I believe they also support verbosity which determines how long the non-thinking response is

also can't get the 1m opus

[rose oasis]

idk

it just magically appeared for me after 2 prompts with sonnet

[rose oasis]

opus[1m]

[solemn epoch]

GitHub Copilot doesn't work in Belarus 🙁

[rose oasis]

press / in the bottom right, then open General config

[rose oasis]

and then type in this

[rose oasis]

🫂

[solemn epoch]

Microsoft are really restrictive when it comes to regional bans

Can't even securely download Windows

[quaint kelp]

Ye

Hmmm

Re of windows 98

Jk

[rose oasis]

does it work

[quaint kelp]

Can ai read hex?

[golden raven]

lemme see

[golden raven]

yes

[quaint kelp]

Cool

Be back with ai coding when I get home

Kim will probably update the repo I bet though

How do you adapt to vtools when it's updated when you used the previous version

[golden raven]

Well it's running but I don't know what model it's using

[rose oasis]

🤔

[golden raven]

hm

guh

[vagrant kernel]

They done locked my ass out

I still have 20% premium requests left

[golden raven]

Restarted vscode and looks like the 1m model is working

I don't see a token limiter

[rose oasis]

lol nice

[rose oasis]

this happened to my sister this morning

they applied this to free trials + student accounts suddenly

[vagrant kernel]

Nice shitty move

[rose oasis]

yupp

[vagrant kernel]

This will get me to pay for their services for sure

[rose oasis]

😔

[solemn epoch]

I can't even pay although I would

It blocked me from messing with billing settings

Will wait for it to unblock and try something

[sharp seal]

Guys I think they detected we're using it for remix (actually useful purpose)

we need more AI cat videos to make data centers profitable

[rose oasis]

wow okay

yeah

opus 1m makes max 100% worth it

it's doing so incredibly well

this is the best i've ever seen a model do

[fallow helm]

This makes me rather excited for tomorrow when my Claude Code usage resets.

[golden raven]

Same

[rose oasis]

😖 sadly opus 1m is only available in the Max plan, not the normal one

[fallow helm]

Oh, I have that

[rose oasis]

oh nice

[fallow helm]

I was desperate enough to get my childhood nostalgic games working that I splurged, lol

[rose oasis]

like this is amazing

lol

[rose oasis]

which game?

(also me with barnyard)

[golden raven]

One day I'll stabilize rogue trooper

Literally one issue remaining.

[crystal kiln]

Hey hey, just pushed a new Update, a complete DX9 API tracer that captures N frames and logs all dx9 function calls in a structured jsonl file.
Features:

• Disassembled shader sources — every vertex and pixel shader captured with full human-readable HLSL disassembly embedded in the trace, no separate tools needed
• Complete call-level replay data — matrices, shader constants, and bytecodes are automatically dereferenced and stored inline, making each trace fully self-contained
• Reliable backtraces on optimized builds — custom stack scanner produces accurate call chains even on release binaries where standard tools fail
• Full API coverage — all 119 IDirect3DDevice9 methods captured with structured JSONL output, ready for scripting or the built-in analyzer
• One-click offline analysis — hottest code paths, matrix data flow, draw call breakdowns, and render pass structure from a single command
• Zero-touch integration — drop-in DLL that chains transparently with any downstream d3d9 (system, DXVK, RTX Remix), triggered at runtime with configurable delay
• No performance impact when idle — tracing activates on demand; passive overhead is effectively zero

Go check it out and lmk how your apps/models perform with it

[fallow helm]

The PC ports of the four Star Wars games on the Nintendo 64. Mainly Shadows of the Empire and Rogue Squadron, although Battle for Naboo and Episode One Racer are up there as well.

[rose oasis]

damn dude

(do i need to refactor my current branch to make a PR)

[crystal kiln]

@rose oasis I didn't find the PR you mentioned, think it is only in your repo. Would you mind rebasing with the latest stuff and opening a PR to merge your skinning stuff?

That would help immensely to merge on top 🙂

[rose oasis]

oh man there's gonna be SO many conflicts

i forgot to open the PR yeah, sorry 😖

i'll try to make this work

[crystal kiln]

Shouldn't be actually. The stuff I touched was mostly new files in other folders

[golden raven]

That was written by ai, wasn't it?

[crystal kiln]

[rose oasis]

i had unfortunately redone most of the prompt + skill files

it was required to make the d3d9 proxy work better

[dull swallow]

do we know if what it says is true

or

[sharp seal]

AI generated Burrito coming soon

[rose oasis]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/Vibe-Reverse-Engineering/pull/4
okay you're right, somehow it's pretty much entirely clean

i have to go for an appointment soon & will be gone most of the day. i'll try to fix it up later ✨

[rose oasis]

this is amazing though

[crystal kiln]

Lol it is only 1 conflicting file in a comment/docstring because I removed MGRR references from the repo to keep it clean/neutral

[rose oasis]

i'll test the new tools and features with wolfenstein 2009 tonight/tomorrow

[fallow helm]

That came just in time for me. I was here attempting to do some disassembly of Dragon Age: Origins this morning. The current tools were already making some progress, but this will be a lovely addition to the arsenal. Thank you for that!

[rose oasis]

yay!

and DAO is gonna be amazing

have you run into any issues with obfuscation? burnout paradise had a lot going on

[fallow helm]

I've had to do a lot of live traces with the game running while Copilot does uses the live tools. It seems like static disassembly is less reliable in this case

I'll post the RE docs for it once I have done all I can.

[rose oasis]

dump the game with Scylla while it's running, then have it perform static analysis on that

it helped immensely with burnout

https://github.com/NtQuery/Scylla/releases/tag/v0.9.8

xor showed it to us

[sharp seal]

@crystal kiln could it be possible to have Scylla dump be a part of toolset, some game binaries are packed, obfuscated game code tbe. Working on such games is hard enough that these RE tools just don't fair (i.e burnout paradise and probably a lot of EA games from the later years)

[fallow helm]

I shall do that at once! Thank you for the tip. This is exciting!

[sharp seal]

lol, coincidence

[golden raven]

Trying the new update now

[crystal kiln]

Never heard of it. Will take a look 👀

[golden raven]

I was scared but gitignore helped

[rose oasis]

the user should dump it ideally, but the LLM should walk them through performing it properly and then supplying it with the direct path to the dumped exe

[rose oasis]

also one more improvement: i have consistently had issues with it not using the venv. it's to the point now that it's automatically installed all of the dependencies in my system python 😭

it'd be good to prompt it at the top of the main prompt file about this

[sharp seal]

maybe later down the line, some basic support for older games like around ~dx6 era could be added. I think we've just solely focused on dx9 from now on. Haven't actually tested it or seen anyone work with your tools for older late 90s games to be remix compatible yet

[rose oasis]

when i have some time, i fully intend to take dxwrapper and try to make it more compatible with remix

it's extremely accurate for dx7 -> dx9 conversion, but it's not ideal for remix usage rn

[crystal kiln]

Yeah I think we already have that but its just forggetting?

[rose oasis]

keeping the prompt files as short as possible is really important

i stripped out 99% of the documentation & notes in my proxy code to help with this, and it made a massive difference

[crystal kiln]

That is on the plans. The tracer is a huge piece of code similar to Kim's ffp template, and porting to dx8,7,6,10,11.. will be a hell of a ride which requires a ton of testing (automated testing), but all other tools are more or less easy to port/extend

[crystal kiln]

That is insteresting. From a quick read it should be totally doable and an easy addition actually. Just gotta check Scylla licenses and stuff

[quaint kelp]

So vscode branch is updated Kim?

[rose oasis]

my fork isn't updated with the new changes yet

[quaint kelp]

Ok I can wait I'm not home anyway

[rose oasis]

waiting for the PR to be merged (@crystal kiln i fixed the conflict)

i'm struggling to understand how it was as simple as it was

and if my changes are still going to be valid lmao

but it seems okay?

[quaint kelp]

Be cool if we could use the ai checking the render when it's active and still use the module seeing the change ai makes via render

Like a script doing changes while you watch

[golden raven]

Okay just one more stray quad left

[crystal kiln]

Just merged. Think it is time to ask AI to refactor and remove repeated fluff after all these merges. Sometimes they just append repeated stuff from PRs and that bloats context window pretty quickly

AH and thank you very much as always, great stuff

[rose oasis]

definitely!

and ofc

[quaint kelp]

So I have to change my code somehow when Kim had hir first fork

[crystal kiln]

There are livetools to make small localized patches in the binary running live if that is what you mean

[quaint kelp]

Her

[rose oasis]

so far the only thing i don't like about claude code is that it's not showing me its "thinking" a lot of the time.

[quaint kelp]

Yes

[rose oasis]

but in ~20 mins opus 1m managed to reverse engineer pretty much the entire weather and day/night cycle code for GTA 3

[quaint kelp]

But I want the whole code to be live just not snippets

Say it's writing and you're getting a view of the changes being rendered without doing anything so you can have a hands idea what you need to do

Like a personal log not even needs written

[solemn epoch]

It did use live patches that affected rendering right away, and was asking if it looked right

[quaint kelp]

Yes but I want the exe to still be running

[solemn epoch]

It was still running, that's the point of live patches

[quaint kelp]

Hmm

[fallow helm]

The weird thing is, I feel like it used to. I don't know when it stopped, but when I first started using it you could see it most of the time. Now it seems like I never do.

[crystal kiln]

Yeah, thats the point since the very first release I made. For U2 it patched a single memory address with some code and I alt+tabbed in the game and puff, culling gone

[quaint kelp]

Claude takes a long time, I used almost 50 percent premium tokens

And that is the 39 usd package

But I spent like 8 hours

[rose oasis]

it doesn't work based on time per message

it's per message you send

avoid cancelling prompts whenever possible

[quaint kelp]

K

[rose oasis]

also, use sonnet unless you run into problems. 2 opus prompts is equivalent to 6 sonnet prompts

[warped peak]

what good prompt can i use for example?

[quaint kelp]

Yea opus is being naughty rn

[rose oasis]

the toolkit is so efficient now that you can just kinda talk to it normally and it'll figure it out

"we need to remove culling from GTA 3. i have the folder in the workspace. please research the game through static analysis (or live if necessary) and tell me if you need anything, then create a patch"

[quaint kelp]

Man I wish I could continue my project on mobile

[golden raven]

Also remember that a message sent in a chat with long context will cost a lot more than a message sent at the start of a conversation

That said, the 1m mode's usage isn't that high.

Or maybe I haven't used that much.

[rose oasis]

for claude code, yes. for copilot, it's purely credit based. this doesn't change cost

[quaint kelp]

I didn't know about the long message

[golden raven]

Prompt processing takes a buncch of compute

[quaint kelp]

How do I use copilot in your branch kim

[golden raven]

Also don't wait around to send the next message. You might invalidate your prompt cache.

[quaint kelp]

I meant the module not opus etc

[rose oasis]

you just download the vibe tools, then tell copilot to use them

[quaint kelp]

Oh so I don't need to select any model?

[rose oasis]

i mean, you should

otherwise it'll just use a random model

[quaint kelp]

Oh

[warped peak]

wait copilot supported as well?

i havetn seen in github as recommended

[sharp seal]

huh? didn't know that

[rose oasis]

copilot, claude code, and cursor are all supported

[rose oasis]

i want to clarify, this ONLY matters for claude code

and maybe cursor

cursor has a very ambiguous cost system

[quaint kelp]

I would refrain from cursor

[rose oasis]

Copilot uses a flat rate per message, it does not cost more depending on chat length

[golden raven]

If burrito ever speaks, it's about claude code

But in general, prompt processing is expensive

[quaint kelp]

"Burrito Claude" model when

[sharp seal]

Claude Maxrito

[quaint kelp]

When I think Claude I think John Claude van dame

[golden raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1215512609609224243/1483092247892328640/ssstwitter.com_1756742714071.mp4?ex=69b954ca&is=69b8034a&hm=00e3893ff29ca98bfa65344b38f7fd9f36bb4c97600b3db9e9f14b723a7fca22&

[quaint kelp]

Lol

[warped peak]

how do i open the directory for the copilot?

sorry for obviousness just im too noob for it

[rose oasis]

file -> add folder to workspace

do that for the vibe tools and the game folder

[golden raven]

SUCCESS

[sharp seal]

🔥

[rose oasis]

@atomic steppe any idea why the claude terminal just immediately crashes when i run a command?

actually it just says "claude is not a recognized command"

[atomic steppe]

Try this

https://code.claude.com/docs/en/troubleshooting#windows-powershell-2

Do the
$currentPath = [Environment]::GetEnvironmentVariable('PATH', 'User')
[Environment]::SetEnvironmentVariable('PATH', "$currentPath;$env:USERPROFILE.local\bin", 'User')

Under verify path has the nice copy and paste

[quaint kelp]

Dang good job burrito

[vagrant kernel]

As expected the models it allows you to pick after they nerfed trial accounts are all useless

[brisk trench]

Holy shit, I finally got it to fix JPOG(almost) only issue is it's not replacing all other same assets

[brisk trench]

I hope to god it can figure out why it's not replacing the other assets It's so close!

[rose oasis]

instances aren't working properly

[bright roost]

To use tis tool with claude do you need a claude subsription or will the free one work?

[brisk trench]

What would I do to fix that?

[rose oasis]

tell it that objects aren't being instanced properly in remix and that it may have something to do with how it patched the game

[rose oasis]

free might work

[crimson yacht]

Trying to explain to the darned infernal machine

[crimson yacht]

Is this complete nonsense? I dont know 🤤

[golden raven]

gemini?

[crimson yacht]

Opus

[rose oasis]

it's kinda meh but if the screen is truly completely black and you checked debug view to make sure nothing is rendering, then it's doing something wrong for sure

[crimson yacht]

Yeah it renders completely fine with raytracing enabled (apart from UI and Sky textures not working which is what im trying to solve) but turning raytracing off theres nothing on the screen

[rose oasis]

oh. well, that's expected

that happens with just about every conversion i've done, and most of xor's afaik

[crimson yacht]

so theres no fix for sky or Ui ??

[rose oasis]

not what i said ✨

or not what i meant rather

is this a proxy, or an ASI patch?

[crimson yacht]

proxy

[rose oasis]

✨

okay well, that happened with just about every other game i worked on with a proxy

what you need to do is tell it to delay the diagnostic logging by 60 seconds. this will give you enough time to get in-game and set it up properly for what you need

then what you need to do is go into the pause menu and let it do its logging. then give that log to claude and tell it to fix the transforms for the UI

the UI should then be fixed and functional

for the sky, there are MANY reasons why it might not be working. the sky could have been a shader in the original game (Barnyard did this), or just a simple 2d effect (GTA 3 did this)

don't have it try to look for a solution without providing it with diagnostic data or some kind of lead, it won't get you anywhere

[crimson yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/meowl-british-meowl-british-british-cat-innit-gif-4785724705753395242

Will try, thank you

Skies should be fixable, they seem to be done the exact same way SA1 does it, nothing fancy at all

[rose oasis]

do you know the technical terms for how SA1 does it?

[crimson yacht]

No not really, but I can describe it crudly as such: they put a big dome or sphere around the level that sometimes follows the camera, puts a texture on it and calls it the sky

[quaint kelp]

what ive been doing with a dx11 wrapping to remix

[golden raven]

crazy

[quaint kelp]

no textures yet

but still working on it

unity

[rose oasis]

soudns just like a typical skybox 🤔

[quaint kelp]

cam problems

i need to translate all dx11 cam matrix to dx9 and world matrix

im workin on dx12 on the side

[dull swallow]

Suprised it actually even made a windos

Window*

[quaint kelp]

its rendering a cam as i can see here by shadows

i need to find world geometry

[carmine rose]

Yah and you can enable paying 0.04 cents per request over the limit

[bright roost]

Nahh, needed Pro, but thats fine

[vagrant kernel]

Seems like we're back

Sucks that I wasted like 5% on crap models

[sharp seal]

Sonnet model will still be good for 90% of the tasks

[simple orchid]

I wonder what the most cost effective way to go about this is - a cursor subscription, claude code something else

[crimson yacht]

Copilot for sure

Im pretty sure cursor just changed their pricing to be terrible value

[sharp seal]

You can scratch cursor

It'll use the API usage too fast

[vagrant kernel]

Lol

Guess I got where xoxor was when he messed with the game

[sharp seal]

lol what

What does it say about compressed verts?

[vagrant kernel]

Nothing yet. Trying to get the world to show up normally first

rofl

[dull swallow]

what game is this

[vagrant kernel]

Dark Souls

[sharp seal]

I think the log files should be guarded, aka tell it to log results when needed or after a certain n frames, stop logging

[vagrant kernel]

Probably should've just closed the game

[solemn epoch]

Meanwhile Cursor is based in San Francisco, California

[sharp seal]

Where are you from? I thought the restrictions wouldn't apply to at least EU

[solemn epoch]

Belarus

[sharp seal]

damn, sorry

[solemn epoch]

[crimson yacht]

Gonna try qwen3.5, see if it's any good

[crimson yacht]

its dumber than haiku

[sharp seal]

Yeah either it's sonnet/opus 4.6 or gpt 5.4

[muted sun]

also finding that if vibe doesn't do exactly what you want it's better to adjust the prompt instead of trying to fix what it gave you

[bright roost]

Well. I needed 4 promts to translate shaders from ASM to readable HLSL

[muted sun]

Which shader model?

[bright roost]

From SM1 up to SM3

[muted sun]

ahhh lol

was about to say you know there's sm3 decompilers, right

[bright roost]

Yeah, but SM1 aint supported from anything

FXC only supports from sm2 to sm3

Thats what i got

[muted sun]

yep

[bright roost]

Decompiled and translated all NFS Carbon shaders

Next will be NFS Underground 2

[sharp seal]

You converted old sm1 shaders to sm3, but why

[bright roost]

No

I simply translated it to readable hlsl

Not converted it to SM3

[muted sun]

that's fair lol

shader assembly is kinda ass to read

[rose oasis]

🫂

claude max is the next best

(actually i'd say it's just the best for opus 1m)

[vagrant kernel]

Is Claude Max a hundo bucks

[fallow helm]

It is indeed.

[rose oasis]

😖 yus

[fallow helm]

Not a small investment by any means.

[rose oasis]

i only did it because of #1482811180870406376

if it weren't for that, i would not have gotten it

[sharp seal]

So are you going to work on Wolfenstein?

[vagrant kernel]

I mean I'd pay a hundo easy if it could help me fix Dark Souls

But you never know if it'd work

[rose oasis]

setting it up rn

[vagrant kernel]

Trying to pester Xoxor if he can give his verdict on the viability of that

[rose oasis]

dark souls is going to be on my list of games to vote on

just not this month

i need things that are less scary

[sharp seal]

||Crysis||

[rose oasis]

i hate crysis

[vagrant kernel]

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how viable it is, specifically the compressed vertex data.

[rose oasis]

it messed up my spelling of crisis for years

[sharp seal]

What did Claude tell you about compressed vertices?

[rose oasis]

well 🙏 in other words don't feel pressured to spend $100 because it will happen eventually

[vagrant kernel]

Well I wanted to get the camera right first until I ran out of requests, but it just said that it would need to write a decompressor which sounds nice but could be made up

Vertex information for the world seemed ok so I wanted to get that working first

[sharp seal]

I know a guy that looks at this and can retrieve any type of 3d model from a game. Even if the tools are not there

https://youtu.be/i_uWw-UDpEo?si=J-xfOJPGrE9OZr2S

Horrifying but impressive skill

[golden raven]

Terrain kinda working

No blending thogh

[sharp seal]

Figure out how the original shader handles blending

[golden raven]

The issue is that the original textures contain the specular map packed into the alpha of the textures

[fallow helm]

That has come so far so quickly

[golden raven]

The textures still aren't getting blended properly but I'll take it

[quaint kelp]

I still find it funny that ai let me wrap d11 to 9 with phasmaphobia

[sharp seal]

Huh

[quaint kelp]

Oh you didn't see

[sharp seal]

No I'm confused as to how dx11 was downgraded to dx9

[quaint kelp]

#1481706093976621277 message

[golden raven]

GTA v

[quaint kelp]

I could try 2 fps probably

[sharp seal]

You do it

[golden raven]

Use some old dx10 version

[quaint kelp]

K

Not home but when I have time

[sharp seal]

Just cause 2 please

[golden raven]

Fire emoji

[rose oasis]

okay tbh i'll consider working on this

[quaint kelp]

I don't own jc 2

[rose oasis]

i love JC2

[sharp seal]

Doesn't help with the fact that it's dx10

[muted sun]

i need to translate all dx11 cam matrix to dx9 and world matrix
wdym by this?

[sharp seal]

But you can try

[quaint kelp]

Look above

#1481706093976621277 message

[muted sun]

the matrices are just numbers
shouldn't be different across directx versions I don't think

[quaint kelp]

It wouldn't render the world therefore geometry wasn't being rendered at all

Cam was on Y axis for unity but still

Locking cam issues

I haven't tried crs fake cam tho

[sharp seal]

There has to be a poster child game that can be representative of the capabilities of this toolset

[rose oasis]

😔

[rose oasis]

i mean i really do think MGRR qualifies? it has 0 fixed function capabilities but it was converted to 100% FFP

wolfenstein 2009 would be good too when that's done

idk

what kind of game do you have in mind

[golden raven]

Literally rogue trooper

It's all shader based

[rose oasis]

i have a feeling people will only accept Crysis or GTA 5 lmao

[golden raven]

Someone give it a shot

[rose oasis]

it's too bad i don't really like either of them all that much

• gta 5 has that DRM on it now

[quaint kelp]

Didn't gta5 go to dx12

[sharp seal]

Hey, if you try out JC2 and it succeeds somehow by some miracle then gta 5 isn't too far off, at least the legacy version

[fallow helm]

With the Enhanced Edition? I think so. It does have its own raytracing now after all.

[golden raven]

Grab the old version

[sharp seal]

Just need someone to try it and mess around for weeks and maybe a few hundred dollers to burn

[quaint kelp]

I mean you probably can use the five loader for the online part but Rockstar owns it now

[golden raven]

The one that speedrunners use

[quaint kelp]

Fivem

[golden raven]

No

[quaint kelp]

Hmmm

[golden raven]

Just use the single player mod loader

[quaint kelp]

Ah

[rose oasis]

😔

[golden raven]

What was it

[quaint kelp]

How about red dead redemption 2

[golden raven]

No

[fallow helm]

I think we're all getting waaaaaaay ahead of ourselves here.

[quaint kelp]

Lol

Yea

I'm still tired it's in the am here

[sharp seal]

Picking one game over so many is hard.

[fallow helm]

Let's get a few more DirectX 9.0c games done before we worry too much about DirectX 10 and above.

[rose oasis]

i'm not gonna force myself to work on games that i don't like that much just for the sake of this lol (not saying you're pushing me to, to be clear)

hopefully one of the ones i end up doing is good enough to be considered as that

[golden raven]

Gtav let's go

[quaint kelp]

Can I re a dx6 game?

[fallow helm]

I mean, MGRR is already up there

[fallow helm]

Yes, you can! I have had some success in that regard myself.

[quaint kelp]

Ff8 here I go when back

[sharp seal]

No one's forcing you Kim, I'm just saying that out of this project there will be one of a kind game that'll just stand out more

But we don't know what it might be

[rose oasis]

😖 yeah

i just... wish it wasn't like that

[quaint kelp]

Witcher 1

[fallow helm]

The only issue with those is going to be the pre-rendered backgrounds. If you set them as UI, they'll render over top of the characters, but if you don't, then only characters will be visible.

[quaint kelp]

Hmm

Can I replace the background with a 3D rendered landscape

[fallow helm]

One thing that might work would be to only ray trace the battle scenes.

[rose oasis]

the work everyone will be doing with this toolkit is really impressive & helpful. i just don't like that one will stand out more lol

[muted sun]

halo 2 vista would be kinda cool (:
buuuuut knowing how cursed the other halo games are on pc... it's probably super cursed

[fallow helm]

Maybe, but it would be tough to do probably.

[quaint kelp]

Blender

[rose oasis]

@crystal kiln your tracer is helping a LOT with wolfenstein. amazing work

[sharp seal]

Natural selection, people will really like a particular game if it works super well

[fallow helm]

Same with Dragon Age: Origins

Getting some good info.

[rose oasis]

literally within 10 minutes it's done this

[crystal kiln]

Nice! Glad to know that

[rose oasis]

i know 😔
sorry idk why i'm upset lol

[quaint kelp]

What about old games like kings quest 8

[sharp seal]

It could be MGRR who knows

[fallow helm]

I see no reason why not. I (Claude, actually) got a game from 1997 that was a port of a 1996 N64 game to path trace and have stable hashes, so as far as I am concerned nothing is impossible.

[quaint kelp]

Probably from the drama going around cause dlss

Kim

[fallow helm]

Don't let all of this stress you out. You've done some great work already.

[rose oasis]

i'll just lay it out in one message:

• you can 100% RE older DX or D3D games to work with Remix. best approach is likely modifying dxwrapper for better remix compatibility
• you can MAYBE RE some DX10 games to work. DX11 is highly unlikely. anything past that is just nope
• OpenGL 3.3 will probably be the upper limit of what can be converted to DX9 reasonably, and the wrapper would likely need specific tweaks per game. it would be very difficult to make a generic wrapper

[rose oasis]

i think it's just depressing to consider that i could spend weeks making a game compatible but it won't be appreciated or liked for some reason

[quaint kelp]

Dx11 phasmaphobia was 2 fps and didn't render but was surprised on it hooking

[fallow helm]

Oh, they will all be appreciated. It's just that everyone has their own priorities when it comes to what they want to see done.

You can't please everyone, but the people who care about the game will appreciate it

[quaint kelp]

One pixel at a time

[sharp seal]

I really like when we all get together and figure out something as a community

[fallow helm]

You saw how happy Bailey is to see MGRR work. I'm actually a bit excited as well since MGRR is the only Metal Gear game (aside from the old MSX2 games) that I never really played through.

[rose oasis]

i didn't know MGRR existed before it asked me to work on it. it looks fun enough that i'll prob play through it 😆

[quaint kelp]

I never played any mgs besides some of 1.

Well snake eater for nes

[vital dew]

I would really like to see MGSV, I wonder how different it would be between that and MGRR
I think MGSV might be DX11 minimum?

[rose oasis]

😓 MGSV would be a nightmare to get working

[vital dew]

Would be soooo worth it though, that game is amazing

To me it would be lol

[rose oasis]

i think for DX11, using the remix API would probably be the easiest approach? it's what Nukem did for Skyrim SE (DX11). though not ideal for many reasons

[quaint kelp]

Expect vram performance and leakage with dx11 and up

[fallow helm]

If you do get the chance, I would say the whole series can be enjoyable. Most are more stealth oriented, and the writing can be a bit... dated in some respects, but they are still enjoyable.

[sharp seal]

I watched 9+ hours of MGS4 cutscenes, does that count 😅

[fallow helm]

And he made a decent amount of progress, didn't he? I remember he did hit a brick wall at some point.

[quaint kelp]

Hmm

[rose oasis]

he left suddenly and idk why. wish we could ask him about it

[fallow helm]

That's practically the whole game right there!

[quaint kelp]

The dlss5 probably

[vital dew]

Me in high school watching the 13 hour YouTube MGS4 movie

[rose oasis]

no this was last year

[quaint kelp]

Oh

Hmm odd

[muted sun]

I asked him a while back about it
remix broke him

[quaint kelp]

Ah

[rose oasis]

😖

i learned a lot from him

[sharp seal]

Broke him?

[quaint kelp]

Mentally probably

[rose oasis]

he put a lot of energy into remix stuff

[quaint kelp]

Anyone re the new emulators

Rcps3 etc

[vital dew]

I remember asking ChatGPT about PCSX and it basically told me "holy fuck this is gonna be a lot of work"

[rose oasis]

those are inherently shader based

highly unlikely to ever work

but i was considering forking Dolphin and adding a DX9 api made specifically for remix

[quaint kelp]

Same but I failed doing it

[rose oasis]

i was talking with one of the dolphin team members yesterday about dolphin + remix. they want it to happen too but it's going to be really hard

[fallow helm]

Honestly, it would probably be best to start small (i.e. PS1, N64, PSP, etc) and work your way up from there instead of trying something like that. There is already a LOT of overhead just from those emulators themselves. Trying to get Remix compatibility is something I don't even want to think about.

[quaint kelp]

I was seeing if it could be a render backend @rose oasis

[fallow helm]

Honestly, I am just glad that they are aware of it and actually think it is cool. So many people can be dismissive of Remix. Good to see some open minded folks out there.

[sharp seal]

I'd argue pcsx2 is possibly the best emulator to work on with such AI toolset, given it has so many games. But each one of those games had to be manually configured and made compatible with the emulator. Maybe emulators can be given a try later

[quaint kelp]

Ye

How about trying to get dx2 to run on 9

[fallow helm]

I will say that the Project 64 emulator does work with a small handful of tested games and a specific DirectX 8 plugin. Mesh hashes are mostly unstable, however and you need to enable the option to always recalculate texture hashes in order to be able to do texture replacements.

[quaint kelp]

And pyrate 64 to make n64 games came out so I guess you can make something if you don't own the game

It's like blender

https://github.com/HailToDodongo/pyrite64 if anyone wants it

[rose oasis]

cxbx is probably the easiest one to patch to work the rest of the way

[quaint kelp]

I wonder how cxbx works because of ps2

I know Xbox had some sdk usage

Too bad I can't re Xenia to use dx9

For fable 2

[vagrant kernel]

GTA 1 path traced when

The actual world is 3d, would be crazy to see with actual lighting

[fallow helm]

If that is the case, then it is quite possible.

[rose oasis]

would be fun

[fickle token]

I tried King Kong Signature Edition and every solution thus far fails to solve the Culling problem and Bonks the sound in game. not sure what's wrong but i feel like Wile E. Coyote falling for the RoadRunner's tunnel painting tricks

[sharp seal]

That way we can probably get most xbox exclusives out of the way

[vagrant kernel]

Which model did you try? I know it's mostly RNG but GPT-5.4 seemed like it was able to produce actual results for me vs Claude which just was stuck thinking and talking to itself forever

With GPT I was able to iterate much quicker and just test stuff out at a fast pace

[rose oasis]

culling is really difficult to fix i've found. it sucks

[fickle token]

Whatever Cursor loads by default, im new to this stuff so im kinda button mashing

[rose oasis]

ah cursor's default is shit

my preferred is sonnet or opus 4.6, or like gab said try gpt 5.4 (hasn't worked for me but it clearly worked for them)

[fickle token]

ill give it a shot, i also need to try to get Gamers Edition to work with remix at all.