Extended Support for Shader-Based Games

[fiery jacinth]

Yeah

[flint parcel]

Yeah, that's fine

Just make it glass

[fiery jacinth]

Right

[neon sentinel]

🔥

[fiery jacinth]

But yeah other than that I can agree to anything in terms of not touching things

Now let's give Jesse rtx skin /j

[neon sentinel]

sss

[fiery jacinth]

Yeah

[neon sentinel]

some roughness

some normals

[flint parcel]

Add Jenny

[neon sentinel]

cook Jesse

[flint parcel]

Replace one of the side characters with jenny

Peak

[neon sentinel]

no

[flint parcel]

Yes

[fiery jacinth]

For sure im giving his suspenders a shine at the belts

[elder pollen]

It’s using the old textures so you’d be stuck with a PBR pack on the new textures

[neon sentinel]

that's way more scary lol

[waxen kettle]

Are there any tips for return textures to Mafia 2? The geometry hash looks stable, I'm surprised progress has reached this point

[fiery jacinth]

try zooming out the freecam on the z axis

[waxen kettle]

I don't quite understand what you mean, but I tried FOV and Z position, it didn't help, all the other parameters change the picture, but don't help, invert Z gives a black screen with a blue glow

[fiery jacinth]

grins

[steady hemlock]

Tried Far Cry 2, it seems to not like high core count CPUs so you need 'Far Cry 2 Multi Fixer' from github to get it to launch even without remix. After adding remix I can get it took hook and see the main menu but it crashes as soon as I load in to a save

Injecting fake camera and stuff definitely does something as it fucks the main menu and shows the DLSS details at the bottom but haven't messed around with it much further

[knotty moss]

XCOM: Enemy Unknown hooks and 'works' but not much luck getting anything other than the UI to work. Also seems to mess up some shaders with the pathtracing off.

[prime wraith]

👀

path tracing would be the perfect excuse to play long war again

[severe girder]

Postal 3

[neon sentinel]

what

postal 3 doesn't exist

what are you talking about lol

[severe girder]

you right is postal 2.5: fr fr game

[neon sentinel]

Dude's dream

[severe girder]

i wish we had a fix for those white textures......ughhh so many games has this bug

[knotty moss]

I feel it would be a good contender as IMO you don't need decent frame rates to have a good time, (although its nice) so it can focus 100% on visuals. I played through it my first time on a Macbook Pro averaging 10fps and had a blast.

[alpine breach]

Are those textures in texture tab?

[prime wraith]

i played the ipod touch version first 😶

[severe girder]

the white? its happend in many games here if you try to ignore them is ignoring the "real textures" but no the white ones are not in the tab

[prime wraith]

anyway I hope it can be functional one day

[alpine breach]

I mean regular game texture getting captured by remix but can't be rendered

[severe girder]

yeah

[alpine breach]

Also when you take a capture, doesn't the meshes have anything usual about them that makes them appear white

So many games have this issue I believe it's a shader doing the same operation that remix can't intercept correctly

[tired lagoon]

sorry, been off of discord for a while. Is there a summary post somewhere? this thread has a lot of activity

[keen dragon]

#general-remix message

this is what i think is afterall my POV about it

and welcome back Mark good to see you back lot of things happend

this CR method forces fake camera in games that doesnt do Path tracing normally but it is not perfect solution

but it gives lots of information easily about what is FF in the game so modders can sort games that could propably work with remix after some reverse engineering stuff

but it is not good for remixing games

[tired lagoon]

So basically in games that don't use the FF camera, but do use some FF draw calls, it tries to infer the camera based on the shader draw calls?

[keen dragon]

yup

on first glance it looks good

but when you load the toolkit you see how it kinda fakes the scene

[tired lagoon]

Sounds interesting, but your post in General gets the right idea - the hard part of supporting shader games is figuring out how to pathtrace the triangles with custom shaders. Without a good way to solve that, we haven't paid much attention to working out the easier bits

[alpine breach]

Results of this hack for games are being tracked here https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1423558865123020890

[alpine breach]

Unfortunately the meshes are warped, that's not the camera

[keen dragon]

it is kinda exciting still

[alpine breach]

A lot of directx9.0c games are bruteforced to be allowed and render with a remix side fake camera. It allows us to see what's actually being rendered. From the games it seems that most geometry is being captured, which is interesting

[tired lagoon]

can you give me a couple of examples of games with promise using this technique?

[keen dragon]

its now easier to filter the games that will propably work in the future if there will be anyone to take make mod to draw calls

[tired lagoon]

Which is certainly not a small benefit

[keen dragon]

Gta 4 is possible xorxor is doing already compatibility mod

Left 4 dead 1 and 2 works

Matrix The Path of Neo works too

[keen dragon]

check out the https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1423558865123020890 channel

[tired lagoon]

yeah, I just don't have time right now to dig through them, I want to post a couple of glamour shots when I start an internal thread about this

[fiery jacinth]

a few parts of this game have really good promise, some parts are buggy

[keen dragon]

this was after few edits Gta 4

CR Build

[eternal crest]

I mean, looking at this, looks like there wasn't any inferring of cam mats in here and cr just made remix's shader capture thingy not abort without ffp cam mats or whatever else it might be doing. Just grabs the geo post vert shader, hence it being all distorted since it's already projected into clip space

[fiery jacinth]

altho without the pbr its kinda ass but i digress it looks good

[tired lagoon]

kinda hard to tell what is remix vs game

[eternal crest]

So like what you'd get with renderdoc

[fiery jacinth]

wdym by this? like its hard to tell what looks like the game and what is raytraced?

[flint parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-hey-mark-gif-17296134

[tired lagoon]

just from looking at that screenshot, I have a hard time knowing what is being changed - I don't know what it would look like without Remix, and I don't know which parts are being remixed correctly.

[keen dragon]

with gta it somehow catched orginal game post processing but all shadows are casted from distant light which is raytraced

[flint parcel]

Mark, we fixed a lot of things when u were gone.

[fiery jacinth]

or do you mean gta

[rugged trail]

I've never been able to get all the characters moving properly in halo but they now work with the camera hack

[keen dragon]

toy story 3 looks workable

[tired lagoon]

just in general

[fiery jacinth]

i see

[keen dragon]

hitman blood money looks workable

[fiery jacinth]

but yeah mcsm is peak minus a minor major issue of the textures being on a different render target

[keen dragon]

dead rising 2 could be sick one

L.A. Noire have lots of FF draw calls

[eternal crest]

I sincerely doubt it does even a single ff call, given it's from like 2011 or something

What makes you say that?

[keen dragon]

but afterall there was not much to do with CR build because there is no possiblity of placing any lights than distant light through remix api and pbr's gets distorted light bunces

[alpine breach]

Metal gear rising revengeance works sort of

[tired lagoon]

these might be cases of the vertex shader capture functionality working... I'm not really sure what's going on in them

[keen dragon]

emissives cast lights in one way they kinda work like a spot light

castlevania lords of shadow this blurred spot on the face is breathing particle

XDD

[eternal crest]

Yeah that's what i gathered

[alpine breach]

It seems like the vertex shader capture now allows us to see what's being captured that was otherwise blocked with the usual unable to find valid camera that puts a black screen previously

[eternal crest]

Just removing the stopping blocks from that

[tired lagoon]

So are all of these just flat planes being rendered, or is the geometry actually being seen correctly by remix?

[eternal crest]

Which was aborting without a cam

[lilac kelp]

in summary, I've added the ability to force the camera to be valid so remix will path trace any vertex shaders regardless of valid camera matrices. The 2nd option goes further and adds a customizable fake camera to align remix's output to whatever is showing in-game

[keen dragon]

geometry is distorted but while in game it seems correct

[eternal crest]

Projective perspective of perspective projection moment up there ^

[lilac kelp]

so this all relies on remix's ability to capture vertex shaders which seems to work fine even in sm3 (for the most part)

[eternal crest]

Really squashed but not entirely flat like you'd see games do

[tired lagoon]

by distorted do you mean fully flattened, or just perspective projected into a frustrum?

[lilac kelp]

the latter

[tired lagoon]

interesting... that wouldn't be that hard to undo then, just reverse the perspective projection. Is it still running the raster shaders to actually render those triangles?

[keen dragon]

i would call it cinema effect

when it looks good only from game camera perspective
but when you load capture in remix everything is od from any other angle

[lilac kelp]

wow i didn't think of that

[keen dragon]

streched models for example

[lilac kelp]

not sure about the second question, haven't checked

[eternal crest]

If you can autodetect the projection matrix, then you'd be able to just use it for the cam tho, no?

Altho you'd still need pretrasformed geo, yeah, im slow

[tired lagoon]

If the triangles can be sent into Remix with UV coords and a stable hash, then you can feasibly do a material replacement.

Unfortunately a lot of shaders use multiple sets of UV coords, and accurately hashing them may be a lot more difficult

[lilac kelp]

i think we've had some success with material replacements already, depends on the game

[fiery jacinth]

^

[lilac kelp]

@fiery jacinth you did some for mcstm?

[keen dragon]

i did material replacement

and it was looking like i placed wrongly done normal map on them

[rugged trail]

Is there a way for us to locate the projection matrix via shaders? I've done it in dx11 games via cbuffers but apparently that doesn't apply to dx9.

[keen dragon]

reflection wasnt making any sense at all

[fiery jacinth]

I was also able to replace nearly the entire level loading screen here

[alpine breach]

Oh it's a telltale game, which means their other games work too

[fiery jacinth]

the only thing i couldnt change was the endermen themselves, for wtv reason when i tried everything would start glowing read

red

[eternal crest]

You mean the names commongly left over in dxbc?

Yeah dxbc is dx10+ only

You could locate the cam mats in whatever way, like moving the cam and looking for changed values in cheat engine and going from there

And maybe an option in remix to then pass some addresses and specify some mat layout options would be a nice option idk

Time for cr to hussle some more 🙂

And then a null pointer hits on a level reload

🙃

[rugged trail]

I think that would probably be ideal yeah

[fiery jacinth]

the major issue with my game is that the textures sometimes load on a seperate rendertarget i think

[tired lagoon]

If you can get a stable hash that identifies each shader, then you should be able to give an index in the constants buffer for that shader which has the camera matrix. They probably use a pretty standard vertex shader for all 90% of the draw calls, which should make it easy to extract a camera matrix from that with a bit of tuning

[broken pagoda]

there will be any updates of this? i would like to test it further

[rugged trail]

ah so that does apply to dx9. I've done that before

[ivory pendant]

likely

[tired lagoon]

yep. Extracting a projection matrix from the vertex shaders is simple in theory, though you may have issues with pre-combined matrices (where each draw calls matrix is the meshToWorld * WorldToProject)

[eternal crest]

You could always just look at the passed in data and recognize what makes sense for a mat yourself even without having explicit names given to you, in any case

[tired lagoon]

but a lot of the draw calls (particularly for level geometry) may just have an identity matrix for the world transform

[rugged trail]

that's the exact issue I ran into when working on dying light (not remix related)

[eternal crest]

Like from a capture in rederdoc

Which isn't available for dx9, so you're stuck with ancient pix

or dxvk it and renderdoc that

[fiery jacinth]

i think wolfenstein 2009 has combined view and projection matricies

[lilac kelp]

what about using renderdoc with normal dxvk?

oops you beat me

[tired lagoon]

I believe it's possible to separate the projection part of the matrix, so even if you don't know the original origin, you can still put everything back into a reasonable camera aligned world space

[eternal crest]

Yeah i did that with a couple games simply because i despise pix

And it loves to break

[tired lagoon]

and then you can just pick an arbitrary draw call to treat as "still", and re-align the entire world to use that as the origin (so that the entire world doesn't move every time the camera turns)

[rugged trail]

that's interesting

[eternal crest]

Iirc watbulb had a lot of "fun" with this getting tomb raider legend to work

[tired lagoon]

may need a category for "static geometry" or something like that, and then just make remix use the 1st one of those per draw call as the world's origin.

Ultimately, there are a bunch of ways to solve that part, and the challenge is just finding a way that's reliable and reasonably easy to set up.

[rugged trail]

you think that the camera matrices would be the same between a game's fixed function renderer and it's normal shader renderer?

[eternal crest]

This isn't really that stable tho fyi

[alpine breach]

Do we have some sort of explanation as to why vertex captured meshes using CR's hack appear untextured or white most of the time?

[rugged trail]

idk how many games it would apply to but remix picks up the camera just fine in halo's fixed function mode but halo using shaders and using cr's hack is more stable lol

[lucid hollow]

This also is a problem on regular remix. They just don’t have a material attached because it was a shader material

[eternal crest]

But then this works somewhow https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578905944419991572/1423345577130856498/garry.mp4?ex=68e53f5e&is=68e3edde&hm=5c72bec3b1c8d527eaa07e9e21a83c81186d8fd765c528f0fde8be30f06d79b4&

[tired lagoon]

In a raster pipeline, a pixel shader will run once per screen pixel that the triangle occupies, translating from arbitrary shader inputs to a color value. This is the only time when the color of a particular piece of a triangle is known.

Remix needs to know the color, roughness, metallic, etc of a particular point on a triangle every time a ray hits that point - and it's currently hardcoded to just grab a UV coordinate and look those values up from the textures assigned to that triangle.

The naive way of solving this requires:

1. refactor remix to run arbitrary shader code on every ray hit
2. refactor the game's pixel shaders to output PBR values instead of color

Needless to say, that would be tremendously complicated to implement, and would be hideously slow.

If you can extract a UV mapping from the vertex shader, and get a stable hash for a pixel shader, then you could replace it with a normal remix material. But getting a stable hash for pixel shaders probably requires game specific implementations (or a very configurable and flexible generic implementation). Extracting those UV maps isn't trivial either, considering that many games supported multiple UV maps, or scaled / tiled the UV maps differently for different textures.

There may be faster ways, possibly involving generating textures by invoking the raster pixel shaders before starting the pathtracing, but every approach we've thought of sounded both expensive and finicky to impement.

IIRC, the existing vertex shader capture is trying to extract a simple UV map from the shader.

[alpine breach]

This is interesting. I have not yet seen if the meshes extracted from these relatively advanced shader related games have correct UVs

One thing to note from Che's testing with increasing the Z axis from the free cam does make the textures reappear correctly

Which does imply that the vertex shader capture IS doing its job properly

[eternal crest]

It's not my testing, i don't have a rat racing card, just passing along a friend's vid

[alpine breach]

I assumed the video is from you mb

[eternal crest]

No problem, you wouldn't know without me telling you

[keen dragon]

@tired lagoon

Mini Ninjas with debug view CR build of Remix Runtime

[alpine breach]

Really wanted to see Battlefield 3 with remix lol. But that game requires DirectX 10 Minimum 😭

[keen dragon]

its all from recorded session

[keen harbor]

Only way I think mark can work with it is have cr dm how he did it via source

Someone test black ops 1?

[severe girder]

yes xoxor4d a long time ago he made black op compatibility mod https://github.com/xoxor4d/t5-rtx

[waxen kettle]

I tried to ask gpt-5 to make a compatibility mod for mafia 2 like I did here #general-remix message , but he couldn't because the game is 32 bit, and the remix is 64 bit, I think it's worth trying on a 64 bit game with similar white textures

[lucid hollow]

From my limited experience this sounds very possible because of the bridge. We’ve had 32 bit games get fixed

[alpine breach]

Could you outline some of the major issues?

[eternal crest]

Chapgpt can't even make a language extension for vs code that actually functions and has proper auto completion

[waxen kettle]

What are the main problems with Mafia 2 with remix? no textures (there are textures in the remix menu, but they can't be rendered), sometimes some objects flicker, and that's it, the game works fine, the same thing as in Postal #1423046815112101938 message and many other games with a similar problem

[alpine breach]

no texture seems to be a common trope among these shader games

[trim pine]

family guy back to the multiverse barely works

[terse matrix]

this game will forever be fucked

[terse matrix]

uv's are fucked

maily

mainly'

[lucid hollow]

Are they tied to the camera?

[terse matrix]

no idea

prolly

[terse matrix]

yes

[lucid hollow]

Ah ok. I'm hoping to make some improvements to the runtime to fix that 🤞

[terse matrix]

thats how it normally looks even without this version of remix

or the uv camera

[regal cove]

Magic, really. I found out that Mars War Logs works, another shaders-only hopeless game:

It has a lot of fullscreen shaders acting up in front of the screen, but turning up the FOV revealed the game is rendering just fine behind all that mess. I'm not sure what can be done, as the game's shader files are a pain to mess with.

[fiery jacinth]

oof

[neon sentinel]

milk

[slender flower]

fistful of frags my beloved

[lilac kelp]

this is source so you could just use the same tricks used for other games for fixed function

[fiery jacinth]

the command lines?

or wym

im not too knowledgeable on source

[lilac kelp]

binary patches + command lines.
https://github.com/BlueAmulet/SourceRTXTweaks

(this was for tf2rtx but it applies to most SDK 2013 games)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sambow23/TF2RTX-Stuff/main/tf2_port/remix.bat

[severe girder]

yeah i tasted the game in 2023 in the start and it worked amazing

[lilac kelp]

copy it from the mod folder, should be in <gameroot>/<modname>/bin

[fiery jacinth]

its not in there

[regal cove]

Maybe an ignorant question, but is there a way to search and disable pixel shaders the way vertex shaders are searched and tossed?

I'm wondering what to do about a few pesky rendertargets that are raising hell on-screen.

[lilac kelp]

not at the moment, but i do intend to add support for doing that

[lilac kelp]

guh, it should

send a sc of the mod directory

[regal cove]

No rush, but glad to hear it. I wish I could offer help but this is already way beyond my scope of knowledge.

Is there any other option in the current build for disabling rendertargets, or would it be best to wait?

[lilac kelp]

you could try using Hide Texture Instance if you can select/find the render target in Categorize Textures

i think if you ignore them outright, it breaks other stuff since ignoring actually ignores the drawcall

[lilac kelp]

guh i have never seen a sdk folder in a source game

[fiery jacinth]

theres no client in there

[lilac kelp]

its weird but i found it

[fiery jacinth]

there is one in fof which is outside the main root

so do i just

copy paste it into the bin folder?

or what should i do

[lilac kelp]

yeah, and then once the patcher patches it, it should be in a patched folder, and you'll just copy that one back

along with the other files

[fiery jacinth]

kk

nothing is rendering

wait im stupid i thikn

think

[lilac kelp]

you might need the dxvk.conf file

hold on

[fiery jacinth]

i did

[lilac kelp]

and it has d3d9.shaderModel = 0?

[fiery jacinth]

yep

[rugged trail]

holy shit

[ivory pendant]

halo 2 or 3?

[rugged trail]

ce

had to take a photo because ce doesn't like when you hit the windows key

[rugged trail]

@dawn aurora I hate to be a pest but pls 🙏

legit think this game just needs the properly camera matrices and the culling removed
-# probably way easier said than done though

[lucid hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/big-news-bullish-bullish-af-crypto-fantastic-gif-16753036148370554223

I can collect camera matrices and utilise them partially. but now I just got to use them to fix other issues

[slender flower]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/267429765164695554/1241737329379512320/ezgif-5-7f5ecf0a6c.gif?width=160&height=160

[lucid hollow]

Since ChatGPT is way better at explaining it, and did all the work "Hooking SetVertexShaderConstantF / SetPixelShaderConstantF (option 3) does not depend on guesses—the driver is literally handed the constant data. We can snapshot the 4×4 blocks as they are uploaded each frame and look for ones that match the view/projection matrices we already derive from the fixed‑function state. No motion is required to capture the values, but you’ll only get a one-frame snapshot. To identify which registers are view/proj, you need at least two frames where the camera changes; that lets us compare successive constants and see which blocks track the view/proj we compute elsewhere. Once we’ve observed that mapping, we can cache it and use it even when the camera is stationary.

D3D9 now exposes the live vertex shader constant buffer: D3D9Rtx copies the constant pointer + count into every DrawCallTransforms, and CameraManager learns (and logs) which constant registers exactly match the fixed‑function view/projection matrices. Once a stable match is found you’ll see a one‑time log like
[RTX-Compatibility] Matched shader constant camera matrices: View=cXX, Projection=cYY…
and, if you later enable rtx.extractCameraFromShaderConstants, the extractor will prefer those deterministic registers before falling back to heuristics"

I also added filtering to stop bad matrices from being used

[rugged trail]

when can I test?

[lucid hollow]

Next few days perhaps. I'm so dependant on AI and my subscription limits me constantly. Sometimes I have to wait 5 days. So I bought 2.

[rugged trail]

bruh
(referring to the two subscriptions not the next few days part)

[lucid hollow]

I can't wait around. I cant sleep cause I'm just thinking about this lol. It was a great investment

[rugged trail]

@lucid hollow In theory could I just point remix to these instructions?
99% sure this is the game's projection matrix

[lucid hollow]

I can add options to override it but I am fairly sure the detection I've implemented will be accurate

[rugged trail]

nice

[alpine breach]

This is almost as good as finding a cure for cancer

[ebon ruin]

What's going on?

I have been also using chatgpt and cheatengine to help with hitman blood money camera matrix.. so this caught my eye

Are you referring to a specific game or to a feature for remix build?

[alpine breach]

This sounds like a more universal and generalized approach and might not be game specific

[lucid hollow]

Correct its not game specific. I intend to test many games with different engines and fix any issues

[trim pine]

futurama is such a good show

[eternal crest]

Eh? "look for ones that match the view/projection matrices we already derive from the fixed‑function state" What fixed function state? If you had the cam mats from ff you wouldn't need to infer them????
Is this something it just told you or do you have something that you actually checked works? Cause this makes no sense and then it also goes on to speak as if it edited remix source, but memechines just lie about what they did and make shit up

[lilac kelp]

he means finding projection matrices similar to fixed function, not literally

[eternal crest]

That's not what the words imply

And who is "he"?

[dawn aurora]

he, the almighty

[eternal crest]

The almighty clanker

[alpine breach]

Do shaders really have camera matrices in them? Idk that's what it sounded to me

[dawn aurora]

The vertex shader has to transform the incoming object to camera space. Some games might provide separate matrices for the world (object) transform, view transform and projection transform. That's 3x 4x4 floats so quite wasteful and thats why a lot / most games transitioned to transform the entire object into camera space by using a pre-combined worldViewProjection matrix (so 1x 4x4)

[lucid hollow]

Ngl I am not knowledgable in this but the reason I believe it worked is because I fixed many issues with matrices such as the entire world being flattened to planes, all geometry flat and originating from a centre point on the screen, squished geometry, rotated worlds, planes getting stuck to the screen, repeatable patterns across the screen and then finally with tweaks to filtering, it actually looked normal.

I've been here quite a long time also. I'm not a memechines and I've tried to help the community as much as possible so any inaccuracy I say is not intentional.

If this doesnt work, which is very possible, its my loss for investing so much into it

[eternal crest]

I'm not berating you for anything, i'm just trying to clear up my confusion

So you have a build that does things then?

[eternal crest]

Shaders are programs, they do things with whatever's given to them, which can be camera matrices like xor said

[lucid hollow]

I believe that it captures the correct matrices but I am confused to why my textures still swim based on camera location. I'm going to do more debugging tomorrow

[alpine breach]

This is very Interesting. Still if there's your usual pretransformed vertices then you probably can't do much with the actual game geometry

Interesting idea from Frisser as well. Hope there's more to it and not the AI hallucinating weird results

[ivory pendant]

I would like to assume it has something to the game's vertex format, which may be the reasoning to why the texture coordinates are warping like that. Remix looks to be defaulting to using the game's view matrix for mapping in situations where it doesn't fetch the correct texture coordinates or something.

I'm going off of one of the issues xorxor mentioned with the game, i may be completely wrong, this is likely useless information, but whatever..

[fading perch]

Has anyone tested crystal tools games with these hacks? Like Final fantasy xiii series and final fantasy xiv 1.0

[rugged trail]

@lilac kelp sorry for the ping but would you be able to throw together a build that let's you only inject certain camera fake matrices?
(have no idea if that's even possible)
I'd imagin it wouldn't work well but it would be nice for ruling stuff out

[lilac kelp]

maybe sometime this weekend

[rugged trail]

sweet
take your time

[broken pagoda]

i would like to see as well

[trim pine]

imagine someone makes a fork of this only to work on unity games

[ivory pendant]

imagine someone makes a fork of this that works with all games and makes all games actually work like you would want them to

[fiery jacinth]

Imagine someone

[neon sentinel]

imagine

[rugged trail]

imagine if someone forked it and rewrote it in rust

would fix everything

[lucid hollow]

Simples

[broken pagoda]

imagine if someone forked it and rewrote it in holyc and made it compatible on templeos

[rugged trail]

idk how many games it impacts but turns out with Halo you can get remix to hook in the normal shader mode if you try enough times

[fiery jacinth]

i still need halo reach rtx

[ivory pendant]

dx9 and vulkan support when?

[rugged trail]

when you decide to learn the remix api :P

[terse matrix]

On a bit of a weird note

this version changes absolutely nothing in ghostbusters the video game 2009

[fiery jacinth]

never will !!!!

you are cursed with forever broken

[terse matrix]

truly

[fiery jacinth]

iirc tho if the camera already injects it wont work

[terse matrix]

oooh i see

the games engine just does not fuck with remix at all

[fiery jacinth]

so because your game raytraces already there isnt a way to impliment a fake cam

[terse matrix]

too many rendertargets

[fiery jacinth]

unfortunate

honestly

[terse matrix]

i know

the game would be awesome in remix

[fiery jacinth]

2009 is a really good game too

ALTHO

mind you

ive only watched playthroughs

[terse matrix]

wtf

[fiery jacinth]

so i cant say fsa

[terse matrix]

im making a gbtvg proton pack irl

[fiery jacinth]

they call me b-b

bailey bean or broke bitch

you chose

[fiery jacinth]

on this note does the game naturally render or did you do anything to make it inject

[terse matrix]

naturally

its using shader mode though to render

[fiery jacinth]

a dxvk?

[terse matrix]

wat...

not it uses the shader support mode

[fiery jacinth]

what

wdym by this

[terse matrix]

the one included in remix

[fiery jacinth]

jess can i dm you

[terse matrix]

yes

[lucid hollow]

I give up on trying to make remix more compatible. It needs proper devs. This was the solution I was trying to implement but I get get pink texture (as I use pink for debugging) and missing geometry. The geometry that does render only flashes on screen every few seconds for a milisecond. I did manage to get textures to work and then chatgpt deleted all my work. "The improvements add a complete shader output capture system that re-executes D3D9 pixel shaders off-screen to generate albedo textures for materials that use render targets. It captures all D3D9 texture bindings (not just material textures), vertex/index buffers, shader constants, viewport state, and shader objects at draw time, then re-runs the pixel and vertex shaders in an isolated environment with the captured state. The system detects render target self-references, finds valid replacement textures from alternate slots (5, 7, 8, 15), binds them to slot 0 during re-execution, and caches the resulting output textures by material hash for reuse across frames. This enables RTX path tracing for games that render-to-texture for effects like reflections or post-processing, " If this is the wrong way of doing things, ok.

[trim pine]

❤️ I give my luck

[fiery jacinth]

i think you forgot the "a" in ai

[lucid hollow]

I think you forgot your manners. I’ve been working for an entire week, 5 hours each day. These last 2 days I’ve been working on it from 2pm to 7 in the morning because I purchased the higher tier for £90. I’ve been very open about using AI but it’s not stress free.

[fiery jacinth]

You still are forgetting the "a"

[eternal crest]

Absolute prodigy of communication right here

[rugged trail]

I don't understand what your point is
Frisser tried to help
Shit happens you know 🤷‍♂️

[wild lark]

you are being extremely rude

[neon sentinel]

he's just a dumbass

[wild lark]

he's been timed out for 1 day

@fiery jacinth your next violation of the rules will result in being kicked or banned

[neon sentinel]

finally

no more spam in remix projects

very helpful

"game not working"

thread

🙏

[dawn cliff]

[eternal crest]

Like i mentioned before, from what i tried, i found it doesn't really matter what memechines (that means ai if that wasn't obvious) say they did, the words and the actual output aren't well correlated even, they say they did something and they just don't, so it telling you it did those things doesn't really say anything about the idea, because the execution is likely just fucked or not even the idea itself in actuality

I know others had better experience with other stuff, but this is more of a niche task to vibe code

[lucid hollow]

Thank you Kim ❤️

[fiery jacinth]

if i may ask what alltogether where you tryna accomplish

[lucid hollow]

Yup it made me go round in circles. My last AI project took a year because once in a while it accidentally does something correct and then I have to try to remember what worked and why so I don’t get lost forever. Also I implemented debugging at every step to greatly limit the inaccurate answers it would give. I only trusted the debugging and results I saw dw 👌

Sorry for ping

[lucid hollow]

I was trying to run the game off camera, take the output through buffers (including capturing the textures), reconstruct it but with path tracing and any custom geometry etc

So allowing many more shaders to work (in theory but the entire thing might be a dead end I’m not smart enough to know)

[ivory pendant]

You forgot your period at the end of your sentence. 🫢

[steady hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/kang-hyewon-meme-izone-chaewonim-gif-23553362

[broken pagoda]

okay grammar police

[tired lagoon]

I highly recommend you learn to use git (if you don't already know) and leverage it heavily. Any time you have a result that does something good, stage it, stash it, or commit it. That way you can revert it when the AI goes on a long tangent that seems promising but ultimately breaks more than it fixes

I've had a few times where AI made something I like, then completely ruined it, and I wound up having to manually rewrite parts of it back to the version I liked.

[wild lark]

10000% i use LLMs regularly for coding. always use git to back up your current progress so you can revert to it. or just copy the folder if you're very averse to using git

[flint parcel]

remember:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/692136052802191410/1426559862653063239/Screenshot_20251010-173023.webp?ex=68f393e7&is=68f24267&hm=d10da50a94c5cf757caccc81814102f7db6d0896229b3c3294c30db696d698f8&

Thoroughly proofread everything

[alpine breach]

At some point when i was making scripts for GTAVC using Copilot, it would sometimes go beyond it's way to add unnecessary details or hallucinated code that i would cost me an entire day trying to get back to a stable working version of my .asi scripts. Wish somehow you could link the AI itself to make changes in a git using commits, that way its easier to track between versions. Sometimes it works, then on the next prompt it completely forgets and fucks up everything

[flint parcel]

I've gotten some absolute banger blender scripts out of aistudio

[alpine breach]

ah yes, blender scripts using Claude also works great (most of the time)

[flint parcel]

my octahedron to opengl and back nodes were partly made using claude

easily placed 4560 lights

[alpine breach]

oooh i just found this

https://github.com/openai/codex

[lucid hollow]

Yes that’s the perpetrator that deleted my work! I highly recommend Claude code over codex. The auto compact feature summaries the past discoveries and next steps into a prompt and feeds it to itself so it can keep going when the context limit has been reached. ChatGPT goes a bit haywire after 50% context has been filled and it is not nearly as good at accessing your system. It scored 10% lower on a coding benchmark and often it says it’s working when you ask but it’s actually not even showing it’s running cause it broke.

[alpine breach]

lmfao

[lucid hollow]

Thank you! I am curious what you thought of my approach to shaders and if you think it might be feasible in the future?

[tired lagoon]

It's a bit hard to read the wall-of-text that you posted, but if I understand correctly, you're rendering every triangle out onto a new texture, and then using that new texture when passing the triangle into Remix. Presumably with some logic to combine a bunch of triangles into a single UV map, rather than actually doing 1 texture per triangle.

The biggest stumbling block for that is probably perf / memory, but even beyond that, you run into issues with what exactly the shaders of most games output.

Remix wants to take in an unlit albedo map. Basically the color of light that would reflect off of that bit of material.

Game shaders will produce a lit pixel, possibly including shadows, cubemap reflections, camera dependent effects, etc.

You also run into problems caused by dual UV maps. If you want to make a large wall that doesn't just look like the same tile repeating, it was common to layer 2 textures on top of eachother with different UV multipliers, then combine them in a shader. That means that a vertex at UV 1.5, 1.5 will get a different result than a triangle at UV 0.5, 0.5. Remix doesn't have any support for that sort of thing, and to support it using a render-to-texture approach could require very large amounts of memory.

All that being said, this was one of the 2 main approaches that we talked about when brainstorming solutions for this.

[lucid hollow]

Ah yes that was what I was trying to implement but I hadnt thought of combining into a single uv map and many of those issues

I am praying it eventually comes to remix 🤞 Or a better solution

[lucid hollow]

It would be cool if you could use neural texture compression to compress the render to target texture after capturing the shader output pixels. This would be placed in a cache that could be shared. Do you think that might work when ntc is ready?

[tired lagoon]

My understanding is that NTC is relatively expensive to compress, since you need to train a neural net for each texture. Might not be a good approach for a bunch of dynamically generated textures

[lucid hollow]

Yup it needs a few more years. But we could use the dynamic texture in the meantime and then swap it in when ready. Mod users wouldn’t be training them themselves

Idk

[tired lagoon]

I personally suspect that we'll have to go with some form of hashing to identify each shader, and then letting users write custom material_interaction handlers that take the shader args as input and output the PBR properties. it'd be a lot more work per game though, and just a lot of work in general to set such a thing up in a general way

In general, texture compression on the GPU is used for static texture assets, not for runtime textures that change every frame.

[lucid hollow]

Interesting. Do you think it’s possible to capture the textures if it’s static but has a shader? For example the uvs in my game are view dependent and have a render target on each texture, I can’t remember if that is the correct name, but a weird texture is bound to s0 and I have to mark it using my code so it searches elsewhere, at s7 for example. These would be static otherwise and that would be ideal for ntc but I am guessing the memory problem is only with dynamic texture if we can capture the static ones?

[tired lagoon]

well.. I'd leave off thinking about NTC - it's purely a perf optimization, you should think about that after you have a working system. If the texture is small enough that the original game is using it, then it's probably smalle enough to not matter.

In the alternate approach I outlined above, we'd still be dealing with static textures from the game, which we could replace with alternate textures. But it'd be up to the modders to write the shader code that actually does something with those textures.

your game is dynamically changing UVs based on camera position and using render targets for every draw call? why?

[lucid hollow]

idk 😭 Its so unfortunate because everything else works pretty well. I'm hoping to reverse engineer it now

[ivory pendant]

i thought it would be something with the cubemap shader the game uses, because tt games abuses those.

This is a guess, but remix could be fetching the wrong parts of memory, and using those as UVs (from where the vertex format is stored in memory), such as components of the view matrices, coincidentally.

[fiery jacinth]

has anyone tried payday 2?

[lilac kelp]

#1423046815112101938 message

i think your memory is shot

unless you just added that reaction lmao

[fiery jacinth]

i loved that game

[fiery jacinth]

unfortunetally my memory is so much more than shot yes

sorry

lol

[lilac kelp]

no its ok lmao

[fiery jacinth]

man

now i gotta install it to test

[broken pagoda]

nfs world

nvm that part

getting mixed result on being rasterized and raytracing

[broken pagoda]

also flipped out

[lilac kelp]

ok apparently this isnt even needed if you just flag stuff as UI...

[broken pagoda]

Would work on the rest of games with flip issue?

[keen harbor]

what unity version

[elder pollen]

Tattletale RTX here we go

Subnautica used to have DX9c support

[lilac kelp]

yee

[lilac kelp]

no idea

[broken pagoda]

i tried with similar config before but didnt got result

[fiery jacinth]

time to make 34 billion copies of payday 2

(I suck at deleting stuff)

I cant get pd2 to launch nvm

this is why we make copies

[fiery jacinth]

@severe girderhow did you get payday 2 to work?

cuz I cant even get it to hook

[keen dragon]

Force camera

It worked for me too

[fiery jacinth]

yes but theres no alt+x menu for me

it wont hook

maybe launch it with remix launcher

what you mean NvRemixLauncher32.exe

[fiery jacinth]

yes

still no hook

[neon sentinel]

i think they just buy dlc

rtx remix dlc

[fiery jacinth]

ah yeah

my mistake

I forgot to buy the dlc along with payday 3

[neon sentinel]

♥️

[severe girder]

well i didnt do it with the steam store version....if you know what i mean....i cant say it here

[fiery jacinth]

oh

[severe girder]

stoppedbysupes yeah.....

[fiery jacinth]

how did you do it with the other version

[severe girder]

dont remember tbh let me download it and try again

[neon sentinel]

oh moderators!!!

[severe girder]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-le-snitch-goat-james-le-getthemout-lakers-vs-pacers-gif-23917839

[ivory pendant]

you used the gog version 😮

[severe girder]

true fr fr

[lilac kelp]

[neon sentinel]

that's cool

maybe

i guess

[lilac kelp]

trying to see how far i can get with The Forest

first thing is camera matrices, then unfucking the rendering issues

[neon sentinel]

damn

i hope ur fix unfuck that shit

💔

very familiar map

[lilac kelp]

lol the psp cs game?

[neon sentinel]

no

i don't understand

what are talking about

[lilac kelp]

#1431890852250390610 message

trying to make this game work well with remix

[fiery jacinth]

Maybe this will fix bendy !!! (lost cause)

[neon sentinel]

my braincell just lost

in one sentence

maybe in one day, i launch that map with rtx remix

but it's just dreams

and this baby

♥️

[lilac kelp]

🥀

unity does not like me fuckin around

[neon sentinel]

bruh

[lilac kelp]

i think this is trivial to fix but it will take a while for me to figure it out

[flint parcel]

sponza where?

[neon sentinel]

nuh bro u never launch me😈😈😈

[ivory pendant]

If only CR could implement a way through the runtime or through an external file to feed remix the view and projection matrices.

[lilac kelp]

nah fr i was thinking about doing this

[keen harbor]

?

[fiery jacinth]

i need to see a remaster of slime rancher

[regal cove]

It depends, there's some cases where I can't for the life of me get it to flip properly and in some games its okay. I wonder if there's a way we can blanket-disable rendertextures

[lilac kelp]

blanket as-in outright?

[regal cove]

Yep, it might hurt if there's usage e.g. in-game monitors or UI but in cases where it's just a display step, I dont think it should be necessary to have them

[lilac kelp]

ill look into it, the forest uses a lot of RT's for some reason and it might be why there is some flickering

[fiery jacinth]

so does mcsm so im curious to see if itll help that case too

[neon sentinel]

imagine if it helps

[fiery jacinth]

fr

[trim pine]

i used asset ripper to get the source code of a 4.0.0 game

ported it to 2022

[neon sentinel]

and got some

unstable

unplayable shit

with quadrillion of errors

♥️

[trim pine]

actually no

all i had to do was remove boo lang

and make some scripts compatible

[neon sentinel]

asset ripper gifted power
random unity shit pure effort

joke originally made by me

🙏

[trim pine]

guys

will it work?

[trim pine]

yes

this is a test project i made in unity 2.5.0

[regal cove]

My thought process is that it could be a lot of pixel shaders that display the screen, but it could also be arbitrary cameras for UI, etc.; for all I know the inventory tarp from The Forest is a render texture. I know they tend to also get used for 3D cutouts e.g. character models (think the character preview on drop in Helldivers 2, or characters in customization screens for hero shooters). This is almost all speculation without diving into the built game with tools, so no idea how much of this actually translates into usable knowledge.

[lilac kelp]

yeah im gonna have to dive into the game's shaders or take a renderdoc capture and figure out what it's doing

but its probably pixel shaders

i need to add support for filtering them like vertex ones

[keen dragon]

orcs must die 2 seems like game that could be easily ported to rtx remix

[lime thistle]

There exists a Reshade addon (ReshadeEffectShaderToggler) which filters Pixel and Vertex Shaders after grabbing them
Might be a nice starting point for this

[lilac kelp]

iirc it doesnt work for vulkan?

or maybe that was for x32 only

also reshade input is completely broken with 32bit remix games

would be cool to try nonetheless

[ivory pendant]

using a controller kinda helps.

[lilac kelp]

yeah thats what i did before

[fiery jacinth]

is psychonauts 1 d3d9c?

[lilac kelp]

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Psychonauts

[fiery jacinth]

might test it tho i only have the xbox version

do you think xbox will kill me if i do

somewhat unstable

[terse matrix]

tattletail works

LMAO

[fiery jacinth]

yay

[fiery jacinth]

how did you hook

[terse matrix]

its 32bit

[fiery jacinth]

oh so i need a old version

[fiery jacinth]

grins

[fiery jacinth]

OMG DUSK WORKS!!! I LOVE DUSK

[fiery jacinth]

Technically star wars galactic dance off is dx9c

[slender flower]

https://tenor.com/view/han-solo-dance-speed-meme-gif-21111957

[alpine breach]

Im surprised no one tested this yet
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Force_Unleashed

[lucid hollow]

I did. It was my second choice for xotor to try when he had that Patreon tier. It turned out to be incompatible. This is what he said “I think this game does not have a compatible camera because it computes the local to screen transform on the fly for each mesh and I don't think it stores the view/projection somewhere separately (or maybe it does but I'm unable to find it). Fixed function rendering would theoretically be possible because vertices are in a proper format. (stuff in the video is all shader based)”

[alpine breach]

Ray traced cloth 👀

Nah man wtf I thought this game had euphoria 😢

[sacred python]

Okay, that last part is just not true. The PC port was of the "next-gen" (Xbox 360/PS3) version, not the "last-gen" (PSP/PS2/Wii) version.

The Wii version was drastically different than what you see in that video. The level design was completely different and I don't believe there were any shared assets between those versions.

Google's AI might be mistaking it for the Switch port of The Force Unleashed, which was based on the Wii version

[alpine breach]

Thanks Google for putting me into a coma

[lilac kelp]

it does for characters

iirc 2kliksphillip covered this game recently and went over all of the tech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxQW2GL64U0

[alpine breach]

https://youtu.be/6o6YVLmOs74?si=W9EvXk1p9GAOXDRC

This was peak physics integration

[sacred python]

I remember watching some of those dev videos showing off the tech way back when the game was still in development and thinking "this is the future of gaming right here! Look how awesome this is and it's only going to get even better!"

I was so young then. So naïve.

[prime wraith]

😮‍💨😔

ai and physics need to be focused on; path tracing is a reality and while im sure there's a ways to go improving it somehow, game design hasn't really changed in a long, long time

[knotty moss]

Pathracing PBRs + Geometry morphing would be peak. I'd be interested to see what height maps would look like on those materials when they gets stretched or folded.

[alpine breach]

Vertex morphing will likely stretch the material because of the associated models UV scale, it'd be interesting to see the PBR break though

[keen harbor]

cr is your build merged into the main branch yet? i just dont wana have 2 versions downloaded cause i forget where i put them

[lilac kelp]

no, there isnt a PR for it

[keen harbor]

k

[elder pollen]

I bet it would be difficult considering I couldn't get it merged into CE

[rugged trail]

I was able to cherry pick the camera stuff into my fork for halo

[fiery jacinth]

found a lil dude js chilling here

[neon sentinel]

bro waiting for his moment

to appear for 1 nanosecond

[fiery jacinth]

true

[neon sentinel]

my beloved

[fiery jacinth]

still waiting on mcsm compatibility

[neon sentinel]

same

[keen harbor]

how the heck did story mode wrap

does minecraft latest?

[fiery jacinth]

Mcsm and Minecraft arent the same engine

[keen harbor]

poo

if java would allow gldirect

it would be neat

[broken pagoda]

i was able to hook ppsspp however i cant get inside rtx menu no matter what

[keen harbor]

Try BlueStacks

[broken pagoda]

not worth

[keen harbor]

Ah

[broken pagoda]

it will just emulate a android emulator that will emulate psp games

[keen harbor]

Yea

Oh well

Too bad Xenia isn't 32 bit and dx9

[broken pagoda]

64 bit is possible

[lilac kelp]

its still d3d12 focused

[keen harbor]

I forgot when dx9 wasn't used anymore

I just remember the dx10 rumor

[rugged trail]

dx10 rumor?

[keen harbor]

When news started spreading after 9

[rugged trail]

dx10 is a real thing lol

[keen harbor]

I just skip to 11 I don't think 10 was a big deal lol

[neon sentinel]

are u sure

[rugged trail]

yes

[rugged trail]

it wasn't super common but dx10 is 100% a thing

Lost Planet: Extreme Condition uses it

[keen harbor]

Ok dx10 introduced shader model 4

[neon sentinel]

government lies

dx10 doesn't exist

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

[keen harbor]

So does atlas but here we are

[rugged trail]

from my understanding it's much closer to dx11 than dx9 though

[keen harbor]

No wrappers but I wonder if remix could be engineered to use it

[broken pagoda]

this is complex thing to do

Very complex

[keen harbor]

I know it requires a big api change

But so is trying to make a dx9 opengl 4 wrapper

Which I tried

Dx9 has low shader compatibility

Dx5 would probably be easier to do

[sacred python]

I am going to say it probably wouldn't work. Remix can't even really handle DirectX 9c's shaders as it is.
Even with shader based games that do work with Remix, what you can actually do as far as replacements go is so much more limited compared to games that exclusively use a fixed function pipeline or at least have fixed function fallbacks.

[keen harbor]

Yea

It's good to see it hook but then it's like oops

Nvidia might as well remove 9c compatibility

It's not good yet

[rugged trail]

that's an interesting take...

[keen harbor]

I tried with oblivion and man it's a mess

[rugged trail]

the whole idea of remix is kinda experimental so removing something that doesn't work perfectly would be odd

[sacred python]

I mean, I wouldn't go that far necessarily. Supporting 9c is still helpful because there are a few early 9c games that had decent fixed function fallbacks that allow them to be fairly workable.

[keen harbor]

I can see that as I remember the doom 3 project

[sacred python]

Plus, you have folks like Xoxor4d making compatibility patches for some DirectX 9c games as well, though from what I understand that isn't always viable for every game.

[keen harbor]

Is it possible to upgrade 9c shaders ?

[sacred python]

I think the highest shader model version 9c supports is 3.0, but if you want the best Remix compatibility than you are actually better off stripping shaders from games if possible.

[keen harbor]

What if games didn't have shaders

[sacred python]

Those are actually the kinds of games Remix was made for.

Either no shaders or at the very least games that have support for fixed function fallbacks.

[keen harbor]

So can I remove shaders from a complex game like fear?

[dawn cliff]

Then what would have been rendered with the shaders originally would not be rendered at all anymore

[keen harbor]

Just the camera?

[sacred python]

Well, that's not an easy thing to do if it is entirely shader based.
Sometimes people like xoxor4d can get games that are otherwise entirely shader based to render partially or even fully using a fixed function pipeline, but whether even that is viable or not depends on the game.
It also takes a LOT of time and requires some specialized knowledge from what I understand.

[keen harbor]

I guess shader code edits to fake stuff

[rugged trail]

so turns out the halo vr mod has a hook for the game's camera matrices...

uhhh how would I go about handing that data off to remix @lilac kelp?

[lilac kelp]

sry missed this @, it depends on how you want to send them, via modified runtime or via FF. Though xoxor4d would be the subject matter expert for this

[rugged trail]

It's okay
I actually think I understand conceptually how to get it work now lol
-# read through quite a bit of xoxor's code

it would be really nice if we could just give remix the byte patterns to camera matrices if we had them though lol

[storm pawn]

Enrique adrian 🙏

[neon sentinel]

Enrique Adrian my beloved

[neon sentinel]

🙏

[fiery jacinth]

day 4324242 of asking for cr to look into mcsm

/lh

[keen harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been-2000-years-jesus-gif-25011303

[terse matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/cheetah-cheeta-lets-have-a-look-eyes-eye-emoji-gif-4704164207131188206

[lilac kelp]

i swear i will get to it eventually 😭

[fiery jacinth]

i wasnt being genuine abt that btw blej

[lilac kelp]

yuh but there is more to be done with shader games

[rugged trail]

I think we really need a compatibility mod template so the community isn't so reliant on the more technical community members

[fiery jacinth]

most of us wont have the comprehension skills for it anyways

[rugged trail]

you'd be shocked how much people can accomplish with well commented code lol

[dawn cliff]

HDR first

[fiery jacinth]

@lilac kelp force camera valid works on roblox

sorta

[lilac kelp]

but not fake camera?

[fiery jacinth]

inject fake camera works

but the game has some issues

[fiery jacinth]

anything 2019+

im assuming everything being flat isnt something that can be fixed

[lilac kelp]

i think xoxor4d said that's vertex compression iirc?

not fixable unless you did some RE work on the engine

[fiery jacinth]

well at least 2017 looks.... decent

the sky flickers in and out

and the stud textures cover everything

but the colors work better than 2008!

[trim pine]

in 2016L its the same as 2017 really

i screenshot it crashes

also when i zoom the player isnt rtx remixed

[fiery jacinth]

yeah

[fiery jacinth]

the steam copy of psychonauts seems to function better than the xbox gamepass copy

minus the sky

[neon sentinel]

does anyone tried dead space?

[lilac kelp]

yes

its very broken

#game-compatibility message

[neon sentinel]

depressing

[keen harbor]

it seems you have to do the pull request for it to merge to main @lilac kelp because no'one else can

[lilac kelp]

this is most likely not going to be a PR until i add a viable method of passing camera matrices

[rugged trail]

signature scanner in rtx remix when?

[fiery jacinth]

personally id wait to pr till normals are proper, thats just me tho

[fiery jacinth]

Wait @lilac kelp why doesn't sfm work? Is it a dx9c title?

[lilac kelp]

ye

[fiery jacinth]

God I gotta get home stat to test it

Dont wanna spoil the outcome but im hopeful

[elder pollen]

do renders actually work with the pathracing?

[lilac kelp]

idk i just downloaded it to try as well 🤓

[fiery jacinth]

If it works say nothing I wanna witness this myself

-# "Just dont open discord"

[lilac kelp]

camera viewport

[flint parcel]

Ain't no way 💀

[lilac kelp]

the viewports sometimes goes rasterized

its a tad buggy but there is def potential here

[fiery jacinth]

Im a genius!

[lilac kelp]

gotta try the meet the heavy session

this will be so peak

ngl sfm plays a lot nicer than i thought, its certainly better than modern source games

[flint parcel]

Is it available?

[fiery jacinth]

Its a public sfm file

I think its built in as a demo for it

[flint parcel]

ooooh

[fiery jacinth]

BUT CR

have you got rendering the sfm to a video file to work? Im having issues

[lilac kelp]

im still tweaking stuff to make the engine play nice

[fiery jacinth]

Ah

Mb

[lilac kelp]

this is the only way i can get stuff to play 💀

but meet the heavy rtx everyone

playback kills pef

idk why

[slender flower]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-tf2-heavy-tf2-tf2-memes-gif-11767117916313568145

But actually cinema

[fiery jacinth]

Is this fixable sir/madam cr

[lilac kelp]

i got no idea but one way to find out 🤓

[fiery jacinth]

True!

Is love to see it

Sfm is my life 🐺

[lilac kelp]

amd drivers hate 32-bit remix games, instant driver crash each time i alt tab

this shit been going on for over a year smh

yay i cannot get ingame anymore, can someone with nv keep testing in my stead?

[fiery jacinth]

yeah

what should i try and do

[lilac kelp]

idk, see if you can get the viewport to be path traced for more than 5 seconds

[fiery jacinth]

aye aye

[lilac kelp]

idk why it stops, it not like remix isnt path tracing anymore

it does some fuckery

[fiery jacinth]

maybe its a rendertarget issue?

[lilac kelp]

i got no idea, this is a very weird source game

[fiery jacinth]

ill do it via renderring an image over a video

then once i think ive got it to work ill do a video

rinse and repeat

[lilac kelp]

yay

[fiery jacinth]

what?

[lilac kelp]

gpu driver giving me hell

when exporting a poster, its rasterized???

guh

[fiery jacinth]

odddd

[lilac kelp]

yeah me no understand

i wonder how the viewport is rendered, because remix is definitely not seeing it

maybe it is a render target...

[fiery jacinth]

gulp..........

i genuinely hope this can be fixed and funcitonal

imagine the possibilities

[lilac kelp]

looks like the viewport is a RT but with multiple passes?

enabling them doesnt do anything so far but mirror my ingame visuals to the UI

oh i think that worked lol, too bad my driver crashed

again

fucking amd

[fiery jacinth]

what worked

[lilac kelp]

viewport tried to path trace after enabling all of the render passes as render targets in remix

[fiery jacinth]

ah

[lilac kelp]

im def onto something

[fiery jacinth]

i am the henchman that picks up what your graphics card manually puts down

[lilac kelp]

[fiery jacinth]

what the

[lilac kelp]

renderng a poster now equals black visuals

but playback works

[fiery jacinth]

remix wont hook onto sfm for me anymore

oh

its downloading my workshop

oops

[lilac kelp]

try my rtx.conf, i have selected the bare minimum to make stuff work

[fiery jacinth]

now i gotta relearn sfm again ughh

so like

does this not work with the source patches you told me abt?

or is nothing patchable here to make things better

[lilac kelp]

it forces its own "dx10" dxlevel

i dont think it has any fixed function backend as you cant even use mat_dxlevel

so patches could help for culling but that's it

[fiery jacinth]

damn

so ig just wait for better general shader support n stuff

[lilac kelp]

passing real camera matrices would help SFM a lot, but rendering, lights, etc would be a whole different adventure

aside from capturing shaders

[fiery jacinth]

i got gm flatgrass to work

i cant get the alt x menu to open

ill work it mroe tmrw

[lilac kelp]

alt x only works in the ingame view

the viewport is just a RT so remix isnt actually running there if that makes sense

[fiery jacinth]

Oh so I need to be in game to mess with settings

Got it

[lilac kelp]

exporting as movie seems to just render the last rasterized frame lmao

i think remix is actually rendering each frame, but its not being captured correctly

[fiery jacinth]

Again this has huge potential

[lilac kelp]

we definitely need xoxor4d for this one 👁️

[fiery jacinth]

Yeah

A more user friendly blender animation software

Should we even like ping him to see if he may know anything of the issue?

Cuz im deathly curious

[lilac kelp]

we can but its probably going to need the same attention as l4d2-rtx or p2-rtx

[fiery jacinth]

Lemme write a paragraph rq

@dawn aurora hey, im sorry if this is an early/late ping and I wake you up (idk timezones) but we sorta got sfm to work, however overall its kind of messy (see above) and the game expirts entirely resturized images. We where curious if there was any ideas you may have on it at all, or if (after a break ofc cuz of gta) it could be looked into? It has very much high potential honestly as it supports user friendly animating with custom workshop models. I belive if this where to work better and maybe export raytraced this could be big. Again sorry if this is a laye or early ping, this just seems really interesting and id figure you'd know more about it.

[lilac kelp]

why do the 2 latter meet the teams run a lot better guh
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1444198522155962398/1444203274101194924/2025-11-28_23-45-37.mp4?ex=692bda9c&is=692a891c&hm=fe6b699ee249e6b384f493161e05ef68e0272246cbed91c59379cca456156adc&

like the fps is shit but at least its in sync

slightly newer rtx.conf

[dawn aurora]

I really don’t see anyone actually using sfm with remix tbh

[flint parcel]

I wonder why

[ivory pendant]

Other software already have better renderers built into them.

[neon sentinel]

remixing videos🥀

[prime wraith]

this is still really cool; people might do this anyway

[fiery jacinth]

I could see quite a bit but i guess thats just me

[trim pine]

why does the new update not hook to shader supported games anymore

its like 3

options now*

[neon sentinel]

why gta 5 don't work

[keen harbor]

too new

[ivory pendant]

Nothing is too new if we work hard enough.

[fiery jacinth]

once dx11 works itll be a breeze!

!!!!!!!!!!

[keen harbor]

probably wont happen

[ivory pendant]

It probably won't happen with that mindset.

[fiery jacinth]

not with that additude

[keen harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/ayin-ayinmaiden-ayinbread-banana-snap-gif-22877050

[fiery jacinth]

js ask cr (ik it most likely wont happen im just giving my best hope to cr

[keen harbor]

maybe, but wishes

if it did run it probably run 2 fps

[neon sentinel]

2013

🥀

[alpine breach]

https://youtu.be/cGemwDaENh4?si=vI6nByuUOuitWlf8

Nvidia Flex with remix wen

[alpine breach]

Oh wait this came out with dx11 or dx12. Not even dx9c

First time seeing OGL though

[dawn cliff]

Time for TitaniumGL to shine

[elder pollen]

But what happens when you try to export a full render?

[elder pollen]

Oh

[exotic bone]

Getting this error when I try to build in VS 2019:
Error MSB3073 - The command "ninja -C.._Comp64Debug" exited with code 1.

https://ninja-build.org Tried installing the latest Windows build from here but when I clicked the .exe in it nothing happened

[calm salmon]

There's a SFM version built on Portal 2's engine referred to as IFM. You absolutely should not use it compared to base SFM but it would be cool if that works with Remix because of the existing P2RTX work

[lilac kelp]

it probably won't run unless you adapt all of the offsets for that engine version

[fiery jacinth]

does anyone own a hat in time? might be a good try

[lilac kelp]

i tried it iirc

i could not for the life of me get input working to turn on the fake camera

[fiery jacinth]

huh

interesting

[elder pollen]

Guys, 32bit PhysX is back on RTX 5000 series

Time to enable it in UE3 games with CR’s runtime

[eternal crest]

Source?

[rugged trail]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/battlefield-6-winter-offensive-geforce-game-ready-driver/

[eternal crest]

So not actual 32 bit cuda restoration

Somebody rewrite the old ass cpu physx with multithreading and avx(512) support if that shit was ever open sourced idk how far back they went

[elder pollen]

No, but the PhsyX in those games will be GPU accelerated again instead of CPU

[eternal crest]

I can read, yes

[rugged trail]

they didn't need to bring back support so I'm happy

[dawn cliff]

That reminds me I never tried Cryostasis with RTX Remix 👀

[coral verge]

Medal of Honor airborne!?🥺

[broken pagoda]

no graw 1 and 2

[median juniper]

Extra shader support doesnt even show up for Resident Evil 4 (2005)

[neon sentinel]

game gonna freeze

[broken pagoda]

youre probably not using build that is pinned

[median juniper]

Im using the newest gmod build. Is that night the right one?

[lilac kelp]

no

the pinned one has the specifc shader changes

[broken pagoda]

++++

[median juniper]

oh

it is VERY unstable

[neon sentinel]

just like i said

game gonna freeze

[median juniper]

it didnt

[fiery jacinth]

this prolly shares the same issues with other dx9c games

lego ones specifically

[fiery jacinth]

nvm it loads without fake cam

[median juniper]

How does it look? All lego gamea have jacked up textures if they even boot with remix

[median juniper]

Bro what. How is only one game from the same engine as the others actually works with remix?

I mean atleast it is LSWCS

[ivory pendant]

Batman and Indiana Jones 1 are from the same engine. Though sadly, Indiana Jones 1 is blank when remix hooks, but i believe it has the same potential as the others. Batman works with the same workaround as LSW tcs and has been worked on for a couple years now.

[fiery jacinth]

Id love to see it without normal junk

My dumbass cannot make normal maps

[lucid hollow]

Though the dream of Batman is dead unless someone picks it up 😭

[lucid hollow]

Are you going to be fully working on it?

If so, there is already a thread setup if you want to https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1253016630922055862

[fiery jacinth]

well, with the way i do things (sorta rotate projects) but i dont think id work on it with how the normals act, unless im really dumb and you can smooth those out with textures, theres alot of issues with the engine, culling, effects being jank etc so

i do love the game tho so possibly

if i did id wanna make it nearly entirely lego instead of this lego non lego mix

[lucid hollow]

With fully replacements it’s possible to work around all of those I think

[fiery jacinth]

the game is also lsightly unstable

so idk abt replacements

[lucid hollow]

Wow that would be complex

[fiery jacinth]

yeahhhh

[lucid hollow]

If it’s the same engine as lb, I got pretty far in that and when I tested lsw it seemed extremely similar. What things are culling?

[fiery jacinth]

mostly the cantina area roof, level geo

it also mostly seems to be whats unstable too

also lightsabers are just entirely gone so

and the sky textures dont wanna function

def alot of a work needed

[sacred python]

I have tried searching through the game's files tonight and I found that the game already has normal maps for a lot of things.
It mainly seems to be environmental stuff that uses them, although some parts of certain characters use them as well (such as Qui-Gon's hair and Jedi capes).

There is also what appears to be the occasional use of specular maps, although less commonly than the use of normal maps.

[fiery jacinth]

if i added them as normal textures in the runtime would that fix the jagged edges? and if so could you send them over?

[sacred python]

It does not fix the jagged edges, although it does make a visual difference.

[fiery jacinth]

Wow that does look good

If not a little weird in some parts

Altho i think thats js the lighting

[sacred python]

Possibly. Roughness maps would help as well, but it's something at least.

[fiery jacinth]

Indeed

[winter needle]

another lego game tried, the lego movie the video game

it hooks but no rtx menu

no forced3d9 setings either

nvm we cookin

this one looks to be js megafucked...

and it requires sm3 to run

[winter needle]

This is so sad

Mgrr crashed on the final level weirdly on my friends pc 💔

[broken pagoda]

Splinter cell conviction

[neon sentinel]

is that

one specific guy files in that game?

[broken pagoda]

Sam fisher?

[neon sentinel]

young and innocent

😭🙏

[exotic bone]

I have no experience with Visual Studio and cannot seem to pull off building solutions/individual game runtimes correctly, are there base runtime downloads anywhere or more indepth written/video tutorials that go step by step using VS2019 with this?

[exotic bone]

It looks like I built it right but I'm getting this chain of logs for every game I try and run with the runtime

[17:35:54.434] info: [17:35:54.432] info: No default config found for: C:\Windows\explorer.exe
[17:35:54.434] info: [17:35:54.434] info: Trying to open config file: G:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\BrutalLegend.trex\bridge.conf
[17:35:54.434] info: ==================
[17:35:54.434] info: NVIDIA RTX Remix Bridge Server
[17:35:54.434] info: ==================
[17:35:54.434] info: Version: remix-main+a8192ecd
[17:35:54.434] info: Running in x64 mode!
[17:35:54.434] err: BridgeAssert: (argCount >= 2)
[17:35:54.434] err: Server was invoked with invalid GUID! Unable to establish bridge, exiting...

[wild lark]

@lilac kelp would you be interested in assisting with a generic wrapper that attempts to do a similar thing as your mod here?

it follows xor's steps outlined here on how to for make shader based games work with remix: #1323392798963142788 message

i have the wrapper developed + imgui for it, but having some trouble with detecting matrices accurately and applying them

[lilac kelp]

is this for barnyard?

ah nvm you said generic

yeah i'm interested

[wild lark]

i'm def in over my head on it. i've fleshed it out as much as i can but i can't seem to make any more progress. and you seem to have a lot more knowledge regarding this (and know how to effectively use LLMs for these tasks. my usual coding tasks are very different)

i'll DM you the source code if you want

[lilac kelp]

sure

depending on what it is i might also be a little under my head but im always up for a learning opportunity 😇

[wild lark]

i learned a lot from it already 😆

[rugged trail]

👀 🧑‍🍳

[winter needle]

Make it work with halo reach and my life is yours!!!! /jilly

[median juniper]

if only but mcc is already very shakey with its UE4 menu, I don't know how it would be done since wouldnt we have to get it work for all games and ue4?

[winter needle]

I mean the shaders are open for halo reach in the mcc

Idk abt the menu

[median juniper]

we may have to get it to ignore the menu entirely, and have it effect just the blam engine. Someone was working on Custom Editon, maybe we gotta ask them if they think it would be possible to get it running. Custom Edtion "works"

If only we could launch directly into reach itself and then use IMGUI for navigation man

or could do it with a bat

[winter needle]

Shrug

Something to ask abt i suppose

[rugged trail]

you can launch the games via the dlls supposedly

[winter needle]

Blam engine support would be cool but its like 200 billion percent closed source right

[rugged trail]

yeah lol

-# not sure how useful it is but in the halo modding discord they're working on a modded customs game browser that has some dx11 hooks

[winter needle]

Huh

[rugged trail]

-# means that there are people that could potentially help

[winter needle]

Smh bring them here then !!!!!

Idk

[rugged trail]

probably best to wait until the modded custom games browser is released

[winter needle]

Yeah

[median juniper]

they do need it since I dont belive mods can appear in the custom games browser, or was it just that you cant auto download them?

[eternal crest]

What's your strategy for finding matrices? And then identifying what kind of mats they are?

Trying a set of floats from vertex shader inputs till something looks right?

Because imma be real with you, i don't think this can be done generically without user involvement, especially for geometry if the verts are passed in compressed to the shader and unpacked there

[rugged trail]

you can find* the projection matrx with the looking straight up and looking straight down method

[median juniper]

ooh just tested a game and with both settings turned on it worked lol

[eternal crest]

You mean hooking up cheat engine and manually finding stuff?

[median juniper]

performance is stupid good

[eternal crest]

That's not exactly an automatic generic process without user involvment

[rugged trail]

yeah...
but should only need to find it once

[eternal crest]

In some games, in others you will be bombarded by a ton of stuff you wouldn't be able to navigate through if you didn't know what you were doing already

[wild lark]

it requires user involvement

it's not going to be automated

it just makes it easier

someone can take this wrapper, apply it to a game, identify the required matrices using the toolkit, then save them. then the remix project can start

[eternal crest]

How would that process of identifying look like?

[wild lark]

right now it integrates this method and options to manually refine it. if you identify the address that the matrix is at in a separate tool, you can also just paste in the address and the tool will locate it

didn't mean to ping you, sorry

[rugged trail]

lol

[wild lark]

the wrapper is definitely capable of working. it worked here in barnyard, albeit with a lot of issues

it's changed a lot since this build

but it can work

[median juniper]

wait are trying to get CR's shader options added into a dll?

[wild lark]

no, this is different

[eternal crest]

The api hooking stuff sure, that's a generalized process

[wild lark]

that's not what this was. this scene was fully rendered using fixed function. shader handling was disabled in remix, yet geometry was rendering

normally it's just blank if you tried this without the wrapper

[eternal crest]

This suggests it's looking at shader inputs

[median juniper]

it looks like something that would also fix Hot Wheels Stunt Track Challenge so I wish you all the best with it

[winter needle]

Would this be able to seperate view and world matrices (or wtv is nessisary to not have the world move around the camera

[wild lark]

as i said it changed a lot since then

this is part of the matrix lookup stuff

[median juniper]

Does it work on more than barnyard right now? I'd hella want to test it on something

[wild lark]

if you want to help, i'd welcome it. if you had useful information that could help us, it'd be appreciated. i don't want to argue about it though

[wild lark]

it doesn't work much at all right now. it needs a lot of work before anyone can really use it

that's why i was asking here for help