Left 4 Dead - 2

[timber dock]

^

[nova helm]

wonder why color grading isn't a thing in the local one

[thorn timber]

who knows

[placid umbra]

Here's a couple IRL examples

[rough meteor]

hurry bro! your work is so handsome

send a link of the stuff that is released pls

[sleek cove]

I wouldn't rush him, Remix work on this scale takes time

[nova helm]

https://tenor.com/view/these-things-they-take-time-gif-14300248

i'm also avoiding rushing in the hope that future Remix updates introduce features that are present in L4D for say

as I understand it there's no way to create custom shaders for Remix, which is definitely needed for some effects such as L4D's outline glows

[sleek cove]

You can try replicating them

[nova helm]

i'll probably end up doing it through the model itself, make a custom vmt for glows that are picked up by Remix and work from there

[topaz yarrow]

cells 4 at a 50-100 scale with bevel and slope blur greyscale node can achieve this

in Substance designer or Painter

[warped dock]

I need to think about it

I was thinking about this bit not perfectly connected cheaply placed bricks with some waterproof paint

On top of it

Im now on the road

Im gonna share og textures here

There is not much information on the albedo about spaces between bricks

[nova helm]

hmm...

[warped dock]

Thats odd

Try to Mark it as doublesided material

Or mesh

If I remember correctly

Or something about geometry culling thing

[nova helm]

double sided marking doesn't work oddly enough - just gets forced back to default value

i'll look into it more later

[rough meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[nova helm]

would there be any way of re-implementing L4D's film grain?

[placid umbra]

Yeah after sending the examples I realized what you have ingame is a slightly more weathered wall that probably isn't even painted like the ones I sent pics of, that and ingame it looks like some cheap work someone would do for a basement so it the mortar between the bricks shouldn't look as clean as my example

[nova helm]

the original material ssbump is roughly more or less what your IRL example shows tbf

here's how that particular material looks when set up in Remix

[nova helm]

@timber dock is it possible to read the $HeatAmount vmt value to use for scaling the emission intensity on the minigun/mounted gun heat glow during gameplay?

not too sure how i'd do that one myself

[timber dock]

I think I've implemented a way to set the emissive intensity per drawcall and there are also ways to check for certain material vars .. should be possible to get the value for it as well. Not a straightforward thing to implement if you are not a coder tho.

Wouldn't take me long to implement that. Can you gimme the map name where I can easily test that on? And maybe a vid of how it should look like?

[nova helm]

c8m5_rooftop or c8m2_subway both have miniguns

but i'd recommend using TUMTARA since it has both mounted guns placed and easily accessible

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=469986973&searchtext=the+ultimate+testing

i've also been using it for easy captures and edits of a lot of materials

[nova helm]

proof of concept film grain using reshade

reshade overlay is bugged so i can't access it and tweak settings directly so atm the grain is a bit too strong

oh right video compression

yipee

let me redo that

aaand filesize limit lol

this shows it better

also roughly emulates the og film grain behavior by losing intensity around bright lights and being most prominent in dark areas

[nova helm]

surprisingly difficult to do a convincing muzzle flash

[nova helm]

most of the textures in the first level are now PBR-ified - most of what's left are textures that don't have normal maps or envmap masks - which i'm recreating using bits of other textures that are also used on them, or PSDs (take this brick wall/window combo - the texture itself has also been increased to 2048x2048

[thorn timber]

nice work

[nova helm]

quick displacement test while I'm at it lol

[autumn flint]

i know rtx is thrown around as a buzzword a lot but man. it really does so much for these games

the simpler level design works in its favour

[autumn flint]

like yeah the lighting is a bit weird here but it looks so goddam good

it looks like a blender render

[unique sail]

is the game supposed to look like this?

[timber dock]

looks like it's working, yea

[warped dock]

rtx remix doesnt magicaly do materials it only takes base textures from the game

you can try yourself do material replacement or wait till somebody from community will release mod4

[nova helm]

looks like your DLSS quality is also quite low there

@timber dock i think i already asked you this, but do you have any idea as to how i can avoid the skybox intersecting geometry like this? L4D or source has some way of doing it, i think by forcing world geometry or props to render over the skybox in all cases, which i'm not too sure is doable in remix - also can't just delete the mesh since it's used for the buildings that are 'outside' at the start

also, any idea how i can stop fog from lights leaking through walls and stuff? i've tried using markers as blockers, but doesn't seem to work

[warped dock]

ive tried a bit doing bill model

i mean material

i totally dont understand how to deal with it XD

[timber dock]

Not much you can do besides playing with the 3dskybox scale. I suggest not using the 3d skybox at all. Rather, capture the skybox and export it as a combined model via blender .. then add it back via a marker

[warped dock]

I love this door

[nova helm]

i've got the skybox models already since i have the original vmf thankfully, i guess yeah would just need to edit it and add back as a marker?

[nova helm]

it looks a little exaggerated? i think i have the psds for that door somewhere

[nova helm]

i also have the psds for bill so i can work more on his materials later

[nova helm]

experimenting with some buildings being lit up

was trying to emulate like a tv being on or something but it turned out too green lol

[sleek cove]

Be funny if you could import that DBD model, lol

[elder narwhal]

love the work youve been doing btw its incredible even if its sometimes funny lol

[nova helm]

Thank you!

[nova helm]

@warped dock

[warped dock]

looking good

[nova helm]

absolutely

just need to do this with the rest of the doors now

i can also increase or decrease the displacement at will - so if it feels too shallow for example it's an easy tweak

(or i can just be stupid 😅 )

[nova helm]

an important question: should I keep the fog in interiors or axe it?

looks like this w/o fog

[fast dock]

Axe it

Looks better without indoor rog

[placid umbra]

I think it looks good with fog, especially that scene considering there is an active fire next to it and it could almost pass for a smog created by the fire. But for the whole level I'd say nah, if only we had more control of it. I know Xoxor was able to pull some magic like that for the "first" level where you come out the elevator to the room on fire and he triggers the volumetrics to fill the room with a smokey haze

[timber dock]

Yeah the compatibility mod supports that out of the box by tweaking the map settings file

[elder narwhal]

is there any way for me to test these out or still gotta wait

[warped dock]

indoor fog is og and fills emptines of the maps but without fog there is more depth to the maps

i dont know about either ways

[nova helm]

i think what @placid umbra said about the volumetrics is the ideal balance here - imo there SHOULD be smog around that fire that partially leads into the tunnel on the right but it shouldn't go all the way back

[nova helm]

What exactly would you be testing here?

[elder narwhal]

how awesome it looks in game

[nova helm]

I'm kind of doing that on my own fine lol

I doubt I'll need testers, at least for a while

[nova helm]

https://imgsli.com/NDA0NTc3

quick image comparison test

[nova helm]

@timber dock did you ever have any luck with figuring out the volumetric slider stuff for lights? or is that an issue specific to Remix/the toolkit?

[timber dock]

wdym?

[nova helm]

with the builtin light editor for the rtx mod, i recall you mentioning you had issues with adding a volumetric slider for the lights?

i've been circumventing this so far by using markers with added lights in the toolkit..but i'm realising that making a unique marker for every single light in a map just to be able to replicate the original look as close as possible just isn't scalable for the entire game compared to..dropping it in through the built in light editor you made

thankfully it's not too big of a deal for non-volumetric lights, but there's defo spots i'd like to try to drop volumetrics in through the builtin editor without requiring markers if yk what I mean

in regards to that, i think i have a way to automate extract every single light from a .vmf into the xml using Blender w/ Python, so i could technically port every map light like that, but i'd need to actually try and write the script for it lol (and figure out how to properly handle unit conversion between blender and Remix for the light settings)

[timber dock]

why are you making a new marker for each light tho? You could attach all of your map lights to that one marker

[nova helm]

....holy shit why did i not think of that?

i can do that for sure lol

[timber dock]

I'd only use the light spawner of the comp. mod for lights that are dynamic in a sense. Eg if you need to turn them on/off on a certain event or if they are animated

the volumetric slider issue is a runtime / bridge issue. The issue on GH is still open so I dont think thats fixed yet

[nova helm]

ah, gotcha - fair enough

i've been trying to figure out if i can use the built in light editor to attach a light to the helicopter spotlight at the start of No Mercy...just need to figure out how i'd fake the volumetric effect since it won't look good in motion

hmmm

would it possible to have markers have the same toggle behavior as lights?

like to have the ability to turn on/appear from sound or choreo events?

in c8m2_subway for example when turning on power in the generator room, so that can be used for the volumetrics that are meant to appear

[timber dock]

that would be possible yea. Can you create a very simple GH "issue" (suggestion) for that?

[nova helm]

sure thing

[timber dock]

looks like the compatibility mod does not assign the "infected shader" for that model. Do you know the model name and path to it?
This is what it looks for:

if (ctx.info.shader_name == "Infected" && (ctx.info.material_name.contains("/l4d2/") || ctx.info.material_name.contains("/l4d1/cim_ceda")))

[nova helm]

it's the base l4d2 fallen survivor model, which is swapped to a unique vmt in L4D1 campaigns post-Last Stand update

you'll find it in the update pak.dir:
materials\models\infected\common\l4d1/cim_fallen_survivor_l4d1.vmt

i attempted to fix it myself not too long ago but didn't get too far - given that i intend to remove l4d2/unique tls content i ended up deciding not to bother fixing it

[timber dock]

marker via choreo / sound hash or sound name 👍

[sleek cove]

RTX Anime girls

[timber dock]

@nova helm can you test if this https://github.com/xoxor4d/l4d2-rtx/actions/runs/16840612874 fixes the colorful infected model and does not break others? This also includes marker hide/show via events but you can only do that via manually editing the map_settings file rn (will add gui support tomorrow)

[warped dock]

oh my damn

[nova helm]

fuck yes 🔥

[nova helm]

will do, cheers!

[nova helm]

yep, the l4d1 fallens are good now

don't see it breaking anything else

nvm, some of the fallen survivor variations are still bad

this one's fine

i'd have to look into what makes them show up as white

btw, there's a bug where using nb_delete_all on survivor bots that have their flashlights on makes said flashlights persist

[timber dock]

Probably happens because it’s now applying the „generative“ infected shader on models that use a standard colormap

[warped dock]

thats kinda neat

you know when they die they just cant think of turning of the flashlights?

XD

[nova helm]

makes sense - so probably need to set up some sort of exclusion list for specific textures or materials, then?

[timber dock]

Something like that yea. Do you know if there is a workshop map with all infected variants (l4d2 + 1)? Would make testing much easier

[warped dock]

there is workshop mod for l4d1 menu

XD

there is for specials

[timber dock]

I guess I'll create my own one then 😛

[warped dock]

hmmmm

[nova helm]

i think tumtara has one? not sure, actually

you can spawn a bunch of infected in the main map, but IDK if there's any way to spawn specific infected

[timber dock]

Ropes 😛

[fast dock]

Wolfenstein ropes when /j

[sleek cove]

When source engine be source engining

[timber dock]

tongue is working much better as well .. the vertices do not have any normal data unfortunately so it looks a little wrinkled

[timber dock]

fallen should be fixed as well. It was using the common infected shader on cim_fallen_survivor_l4d1_pilot.vmt which is incorrect

[nova helm]

should be able to improve the look by using the normal map meant for the tongue, right?

[timber dock]

That wont get rid of the wrinkled look but yea 🙌

[timber dock]

@grave finch should continue chatting here. Will look into the dxsdk dep

[grave finch]

on cmake it will be:

target_link_libraries(main PRIVATE d3d9)

i belive with premake it also possible

[grave finch]

@timber dock merge when? ^w^

waitng for ur review

[timber dock]

sorry was busy with life and portal 2. Will take a look today

[grave finch]

Thx for merging, i will do other pull requests with refactoring when i get some free time. i will try to add cmake support it should not have conflicts with premake, i'll do all preparations.
Btw I'll try to replace some parts of code And from l4d2 internal base with omath, i specifically designed modern library for cheats/modding/game development https://github.com/orange-cpp/omath

[timber dock]

Don't want to discourage you but please don't waste your time on cmake. I'll not merge that into the repo because I don't see any benefit having it in there.
I don't really see a use-case for omath currently (that actually makes a difference)

[grave finch]

CMake is a standard build system

It would be nice to support it

[sleek cove]

Just make a fork if anything

[grave finch]

its simple i wanna a challenge

[warped dock]

i have a programming challenge with remix in a diffrent game if you consider ;D

[timber dock]

@grave finch do you happen to know how to detect if the camera is in "detached" state (eg. intro cinematic on hotel or when a jockey sits on top of you)? It's not CAM_IsThirdPerson 🫣

[grave finch]

use cheat engine try to find some kinda of flag

[grave finch]

or if camera pos is far away from player origin like 200 h.u

[grave finch]

howdy, hows it goes?

[timber dock]

I reworked my hook that detects the 3rd person body and use the stock game checks to determine if the cam is detached. No clue what the var it checks is called tho

[grave finch]

well this how it goes, if it works dont touch it)

[trail snow]

I'm going to have to play through your mod @timber dock I have L4D2 but since I don't live with my dad (who has a powerful enough PC for RTX Remix mods) I haven't found time to play

[timber dock]

mhh I'd wait for a proper remix mod to be available first

[sleek cove]

Can someone AI upscale all of L4D2

[brazen sonnet]

If i wasnt lazy....

[warped dock]

🫢

[sturdy solstice]

The current l4d2 rtx remix isn't a proper mod yet? Does it need to have every texture and model worked on to be considered a proper remix mod (like hl2 RTX)?

[sleek cove]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[placid umbra]

Xoxors is just a compatibility mod, making it possible for others to make a full fledged remix mod

[grave finch]

i've already have complex projects to build. On day maybe

[final bough]

showing some progress check on my rtx mod that i have done for the past week (only includes riverbank map for now), pbr fusion was used here for almost all textures, will change it later with handmaded textures. All original lightsources was added and placed by me, some of the meshes was replaced too and all emissives maps were recreated. What do yall think about pics?

[timber dock]

Looking good

[final bough]

new atm model

[final bough]

new vending machine model, will add dirt on it soon

the emission mask took really long time to make🙏 😭

[timber dock]

[final bough]

fully new texture for soda dispenser and added details to vending machine

looking good

and new cash register model too

for this shelf new texture too

[sleek cove]

Looks good, what's your plans with these in the long run?

[final bough]

Tysm, currently im working on two projects alongside its dark messiah rtx with team and this one, im gonna be mainly focused on dark messiah of course for now until release, l4d2 im doing only while i got nothing to do there for fun😅, but ye its really fun to work on this project

[final bough]

just remade model and texture for coffee machine

[final bough]

new models/rain drop effects on ground/ lights are a little darker in certain scenes and new emissive for exit sign/tweaked tonemapper settings/new textures(credit to King David for nodes)

[final bough]

ground looks really much nicer compare to this

[signal condor]

First pic looks absolutely insane

[final bough]

Thanks brother

[signal condor]

You chose such a good map too, the rain really adds a lot to the whole thing. I am wondering if remix's particle editor can have us replace the raindrop materials with better rain particles

As it stands it's a coin flip whether you can visibly see it hah

[final bough]

Tadpole dev of call of duty have replaced sprites with real raindrops i think, but not with this new feature, i will check tomorrow if its even possible

This looks so nice

[final bough]

@timber dock is there any way to completely disable frustum culling from l4d2? I tried to do it with areas in dev gui menu but its just like doing nothing, i mean lights still appears from the back and terrain meshes are still disappears

its very noticeable in buildings

[timber dock]

Mhh not sure if l4d2 had an option to choose the anti culling method for an area or if that was p2. There might be something in there. Would not recommend that for obvious reasons tho
Adding the current area and increasing the distance should definitely reduce culling tho (you can check with the remix free cam). Don't go overboard with the distance tho. It might cause stuff to disappear completely

[final bough]

i tried to increasing distance setting to 3500 (on 4000 stuff starts to disappear) its not really do something, i mean i can still see that stuff still disappear in the distance and it only affecting area where i set this parameter, so i need to set distance to 3500 everywhere on map and performance impact is huge😭 . i guess i will ignore it for now and just do polishing for map that i already doing

[timber dock]

Oh I think I know what your issue is. So first: the per area settings affect the entire culling system. That means that you do not need to adjust other areas to decrease culling further. Everything inside the distance around you gets affected.

The stuff disappearing in the very far distance is not actual culling but game optimization. The map likely had very dense fog? The game is made to not render certain areas because they'll be invisible due to the dense fog anyway

[final bough]

but i dont think its really that far

fog maybe... is this a fog right?

[timber dock]

might be caused by my anti culling implementation or the game might use something black to block off this area until you are close enough? You can do something similar if you spawn a nocull map marker with index .. 0? That has a black surface attached to it via my remix base mod

You can show that marker in certain areas and hide it when you are close to block the light leakage

the second picture shows remix view distance setting that I have enabled for a few maps to try to blend in stuff instead of it just popping into existance in one go

[final bough]

i dont think that the game uses panel to block area, cuz i cant choose it in textures, or its not supposed to have texture?

[timber dock]

it does but I disabled the drawing of them iirc

[final bough]

can i enable it somehow just to test it? i think it should look better just with black panel

[timber dock]

I dont think that I made it configurable

[final bough]

aight, i will just fix light leaks for now then

ye 💯 that its just black panels from valve so players cannot see what there in the distance

@timber dock last question if i have no conf for this map, i need to create it and just past it there?

c1m3_mall = [
{ in_area = 2, nocull_dist = 3500.00 },
{ in_area = 3, nocull_dist = 3500.00 },
{ in_area = 4, nocull_dist = 3500.00 },
{ in_area = 11, nocull_dist = 3500.00 },
{ in_area = 14, nocull_dist = 3500.00 },
{ in_area = 20, nocull_dist = 3500.00 },
]

[timber dock]

There should be a button to build that list for the current map iirc (and copy it to your clipboard)

but yea that looks good

[final bough]

well i created conf manually and when im pressing trigger nothing changes

[final bough]

i looked for button but cant find it

[timber dock]

huh

what are you putting in the config?

the area settings?

[final bough]

yes

[timber dock]

nono

conf files only hold remix variable settings

[final bough]

but where should i then?

[timber dock]

scroll up a little

there is a culling section

there you can live edit culling for areas and export your changes to the clipboard. You then need to paste them into the correct spot into the map_settings.toml file

https://github.com/xoxor4d/l4d2-rtx/wiki/Map-Settings#tweakable-culling

[final bough]

its working now, tysm!

[timber dock]

so did you put them into the conf files earlier as well (hence didnt see any changes?) 😄

[final bough]

ye i done that manually but to toml file now😀

wtf why dose my gpu is only 45

and it drops to 25 whaaaat

[timber dock]

yup you have to be really careful. Only ever draw as much as you really need and work with light blockers instead of just drawing everything

or disable rendering of the static world via ingame cvars and attach the entire static geometry to a map marker within remix

so that remix renders the game world from the get go without it going through the d3d9 pipeline

that increases performance by like .. 100% in certain scenarios

[thorn timber]

can confirm it does 🤓

[final bough]

so engine just blocking gpu when rendering too much meshes or what i just really dont understand

[sleek cove]

Says the guy who made meshes stable

[timber dock]

well there is the engine side of things .. the engine needs to decide what to draw, then it needs to grab and pack all the data. Then it sends it off with large amounts of draw calls via the d3d api. (This all by itself takes time)

Then the bridge intercepts all that data and funnels it through a tunnel to the 64 bit renderer. Then everything needs to be setup, hashed, checked against meshes of the previous frame to then get rendered by remix

so if remix already has all the rendering data at any time as replacements, it clears a lot of headroom

so yea rendering large amounts of meshes results in cpu bottlenecks

[final bough]

bro knows everything😭 you gotta be some sort of engineer in irl

[timber dock]

not at all 😄

[final bough]

man its so complicated, i will just do stable maps for now that have conf files for them

btw is there any way to make interactable objects hashes stable? im asking too many questions now...

[thorn timber]

this is a common source issue, skinned meshes like the ones in your video are cpu skinned so the mesh hash will change every frame

[final bough]

so i cant?

but as i can remember they are stable in gm

[thorn timber]

its a bit of a mixed bag, hl2rtx, portal rtx, and prelude rtx have engine changes to bring back gpu skinning, but for other games without engine source code, this is a difficult process

[final bough]

what about gm rtx your project are they stable here? i just dont remember

[thorn timber]

we were able to get most skinned props to be stable, but viewmodels, ragdolls, and NPCs are still unstable

[final bough]

but you done it without any source code, right? but ye i dont think i can make this happen with 0 coding knowledge😭

[thorn timber]

a lot of the work was done using reverse engineering, with king david providing us a lot of the info.

[timber dock]

you can use the UNBAKE feature to get them stable

but that will disable all kinds of animations on the object (like actual animations - not it being moveable)

https://github.com/xoxor4d/l4d2-rtx/wiki/Map-Settings#unbake-models

[final bough]

oh so hashes are gonna be stable but interactable objects are no longer interactable?

or wha

or animations you mean something on object

[timber dock]

its still going to be interactable

if its a moving plant, it will be static with no animation for example

if its an npc, it will render in a T pose and just float through the world

[final bough]

what did i do wrong? chair is still unstable

and i got console opens now and it saying that something is off in map setting file

i think i forgot to put ] somewhere according to console

oh f i forgot to put ]} at the end

[sleek cove]

CR, you fixed this

[fast dock]

just because a game runs in shaders DOES NOT mean it can be fixed in every game

[timber dock]

do not put # infront of the thing you want to unbake .. it makes it a comment

[sleek cove]

Imma try it now

[fast dock]

Yeah, the game will be running in shader mode but I dont think it'll work with xoxors mod

[sleek cove]

Only one way to find out

[final bough]

where do i need to put ]

[timber dock]

this one looks fine

[final bough]

but i have this error

[final bough]

and its 268 line like in console

[timber dock]

might be your editor / language adding weird chars

please paste the code from your screenshot into here

[final bough]

c6m1_riverbank = { checksum = [
0x4a6f2811f, chair_office2.smd
]}

its normal notepad++

[timber dock]

oh now i see sorry

keep the # infront of the model name

its only a comment so you know which model it is

because it's an array [] of hashes

so like this

map = { checksum = [
        0x6f769ab6, # chair_cafeteria.smd
    ]}

and add more models like so:

map = { checksum = [
        0x6f769ab6, # chair_cafeteria.smd
        0x13371337, # different_model.smd
    ]}

[final bough]

no still hashes are unstable

but no console this time

i need to go now sorry will be back in 2 hours

[thorn timber]

it does not fix fixed function games with cpu skinning

i tried with gmod

[timber dock]

did you reload the map settings after changing it?
The ingame string should also display UNBAKED

[final bough]

yes i reloaded it with top right button

[sleek cove]

How do you even tell if something is GPU skinned

[thorn timber]

when the mesh has bones and the hashes arent flickering every frame

like a game character

[sleek cove]

In Portal 2 and Left 4 Dead 1 and 2 the hashes don’t flicker, it’s just the bones that don’t capture

[thorn timber]

but is that with xoxor4d's mod or just shader backend

[sleek cove]

Just shader backend

[thorn timber]

try with his mod

[sleek cove]

I think the best thing would be to implement things like his culling with shader backend
But I’ll try it with fixed function when I’m home

[thorn timber]

since its a fake camera i dont think the skeletons would be accurate anyway

its all squished when viewed outside the perspective of the game camera

[sleek cove]

I mean could taking the fixed function camera matrices like suggested instead fix that?

[thorn timber]

i dont think so

its one or the other, cant do both as far as i know

[timber dock]

I dont think remix can replace vertex shader skinned meshes anyway

so doesnt really matter if the hash is stable or not

[sleek cove]

Does GPU skinning improve performance over CPU skinning though?

[thorn timber]

yeah

[sleek cove]

So even if we can’t replace the meshes, wouldn’t it be better to still use it?

Left 4 Dead 2 RTX is one of those games in particular with bad performance

Though I also hear Pathtracing and large enemy amounts don’t go well together

[timber dock]

Hard to say honestly. While it is faster for an actual game, it might be slower with remix

since remix has to capture output from shaders

and it matters if you compare cpu skinning but still rendered via shader or cpu skinned but rendered with FF

have not done any tests because using shaders wasn't a possible route prior the imprecision fix

[sleek cove]

I’ll try to set up 3 comparisons then in Portal 2
CPU skinning via shader, CPU skinning with Fixed Function and GPU skinning via shader

@timber dock what part of your mod enables the fixed function?

[timber dock]

there arent a lot of skinned meshes in that game so

kinda bad game to test

[sleek cove]

Left 4 Dead 2 then?

Pretty much all the zombies are skinned, right?

[timber dock]

https://github.com/xoxor4d/p2-rtx/blob/07ffc2fac2f0627b4890da244772293cff17040b/src/components/modules/model_render.cpp#L1659

[final bough]

@timber dock any suggestions on that?

[timber dock]

does it add a red UNBAKED to the debug string you see in game?

this should say unbaked

[final bough]

no

i tried to put # before numbers but ye it didnt help

[timber dock]

using this:

    c6m1_riverbank = { checksum = [
        0x4a6f2811, # chair_office2.smd
    ]}

oh you did put an "f" at the end of your hash

just use the unbake to file button

[final bough]

ye but there was f

[timber dock]

oh right but every hash has one

I think I messed that up

use the log info to file button - it creates mapsettings_unbake_info.log in l4d2-rtx\logs

yea .. ooops

[final bough]

ye its working now...

thanks man

[timber dock]

sorry for the inconvenience

[final bough]

so what the problem? i need to remove last letter in every hash?

[final bough]

well we fixed it thats good

[final bough]

oh yeah every hash have f at the end

now i can replace chair with 8k textures😀

[timber dock]

yea or log to file and search for your model name in there

then simply copy the line

[timber dock]

noooo

[final bough]

its a joke ofc no

[timber dock]

you dont need to unbake just to change the texture

[final bough]

ye i will replace meshes too

thats why i need that

[timber dock]

alright 👍
just use unbake if you want to replace meshes

[final bough]

new keyboard and monitor meshes looks so good

[timber dock]

did you make them?

[final bough]

this two no, they are from sketchfab, i just dont see the point to create them by myself if sumular to original models existing

[timber dock]

true true!

[final bough]

im finally back home and here what i got for 3 hours: new grass models, 2 remade chairs and remade monitor, new office chair mesh and tweaked fog settings

damn this looks cool

[sleek cove]

At this point, we’ll have a full remaster of Left 4 Dead 2 soon

https://tenor.com/view/movies-willywonka-charlieandthechocolatefactory-classicmovies-moviegif-gif-3483573

[placid umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/gem-sopranos-paulie-i-guess-i-guess-you-could-call-that-a-gem-gif-4534494226208913210

[warped dock]

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1425146675042844743
No Mercy demo release

[timber dock]

Good stuff 🙏

[warped dock]

Still lots of work needs to be done in this project 😅

[final bough]

this looks pretty amazing whos doing this project?

[warped dock]

i mean the plan was to do it with some folks into this game but only me and xorxor in the end did something ;D

would you like to connect forces? ;D

i think that this game needs something more than no mercy campaing

[final bough]

hmmm well its a good offer, i can share with you riverbank map that im doing, but i dont think that i will have enough time to develop two projects at once

im developing dark messiah rtx with team if you didnt know

[warped dock]

im bit burned out with l4d2 i will come back to it slowly with time

i will try to gather folks for this project and in mean time will do some testing of xorxor's gta 4 compatibility mod and some material work

so we dont have a deadline

[final bough]

btw do you know where this guy just disappeared? he was doing great stuff on l4d2 too

[warped dock]

he was invited to team but went bit silent

[final bough]

got it

[warped dock]

when i was building base for work ;D

[signal condor]

2nd pic, the dirt between the stone and the wetness on the stone itself

[fast dock]

l4d2 is cool n all but l4d1 will always be the goat

@warped dock do you have plans for the plane scene 👀

[warped dock]

If this project grow im open for collaboration

[fast dock]

i could do lighting for the plane crash area, among others but i cant do textures cuz im hauled up in that specifically for mcsm

[warped dock]

Plane crash or chopper crash? ;D

[fast dock]

plane crash

[warped dock]

chopper crash is after nomercy and i did place few lights

[fast dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLvFow7x9Kc

[warped dock]

i wanted to keep order when map remixing

"
The canonical order of the game(s) is as follows
L4D1:
No Mercy
Crash Course
Death Toll
Dead Air
-Dam it: buried by the flood (previously unreleased, canon campaign, made by TRS. It can be downloaded as a mod now)
Blood Harvest
-The Sacrifice comic (a comic, showing what happend after blood harvest, and connects it to the sacrifice)
The Sacrifice"

to give folks straight up campaing from the game

map by map

and i think that airport is in Dead Air campaing

[fast dock]

fair

js sayin when you get to dead air

hmu

[warped dock]

you can do it already and i will write you to the contributors for the mod

or creators

better to do that now if you have will to do it ;D

[fast dock]

might as well try rn ig but i gotta install it all again

[warped dock]

dm

[sleek cove]

Probably busy with life stuff
But wasn’t he in charge?, he was the one who applied to the Steam publishing initiative

[warped dock]

didnt knew about it

[sleek cove]

That’s something he should have communicated with you

[warped dock]

It was almost 2 months ago or more

Dm

[final bough]

more new vegetation

fps didnt really dropped that much only about 3 fps lost

[sleek cove]

Those are E-man level

[final bough]

changed bush on 8nd pic to better one

[final bough]

2 more plants, abandoning this project for now cuz need to do some stuff on dark messiah, will upload beta release on moddb when i will have time

[warped dock]

this is dope

[final bough]

thanks💚

[warped dock]

all of it

[warped dock]

those are alpha tested or 3d leafes?

better to have 3d than alpha tested thats why im asking

[final bough]

50/50

but more 3d

[final bough]

forgot to send this old pics

[sleek cove]

Should post it on Steam

[final bough]

in dreams maybe... but in reality it would be hard

[timber dock]

You are like 30% yosuke logo dude

[sleek cove]

I will not tolerate Moddb speeds

[sleek cove]

I don’t think it would be too hard
MacTavish had plans but he’s been gone for awhile so

[warped dock]

lots of "paper work" on moddb to publish so it even doesnt have speeds

;D

[final bough]

maybe its not that hard, i just didnt look into it yet

[sleek cove]

I was in the process of talking with Steam about it
No response from them in awhile

[sleek cove]

Well I meant download speeds, lol

I’d argue Steam is worse for paperwork because you need a bunch of legal info

[placid umbra]

That and the whole CS Legacy / CSCO stuff made them really sketched out about source mods on steam, shouldn't apply to older source games but who knows what they're thinking

[sleek cove]

Huh, what happened with CS Legacy and CSGO?

[placid umbra]

Slightly unrelated but they're not allowed to release their mods at all because it used the CSGO branch of the source engine which isn't eligible for steam mods apparently. The way valve responded seemed very out of character and gave the impression any kind of source engine mod would be heavily reviewed before a store release was allowed. Again it was just the CSGO branch but kinda set precedence since Valve had never lashed out over mods like that before

[sleek cove]

I would say it’s because the branch of Source it’s on doesn’t have a public SDK, they acted weird to Left 4 Dead as well but at the same time Portal 2 is allowed to have mods despite only having the Authoring tools just like Left 4 Dead or CSGO so it’s weird

Authoring tools are technically listed as an SDK

Hell, actually their response to Portal 2 with RTX was to just upload it and they’ll list it as a Mod
Simple as that

Left 4 Dead tho, they asked a bunch of questions

Though, at least they didn’t say no (yet)

[brazen sonnet]

what happened to him anyways? havent seen him around in a long while

[thorn timber]

got banned iirc

was harassing people to use the logos he made for projects

[sleek cove]

He's still in the NightSight team

[final bough]

molotov texture looks sick

strange that bottle have liquid inside but bottle by it self is non transparent in original

[fast dock]

why does the botle have veins

[final bough]

nah its not the final result, i was just testing things

[fast dock]

i see

sorry for the jump to conclusion then

[sleek cove]

The fire should be able to be replaced with a Remix particle, right?

[sleek cove]

Maybe they originally intended for it to be transparent?

[final bough]

i will try but cant give 100% hope

[final bough]

ye i noticed it after watched original game

[final bough]

anyone know if its possible to add roughness on translucent textures? cuz this textures looks too clean

[wet badger]

Sadly roughness and translucency are mutually exclusive for the moment. #general-remix message
This message from Mark explains a bit about why.

[sleek cove]

Sadly why we can never get dirty glass back in P2 RTX

[warped dock]

it is possible

[final bough]

then how?

if Mark said that it doesnt support rough on translucent

and @warped dock do you have any problems with culling in your project? if yes how did you fixed it?

this is really tiring

[warped dock]

Dm

@final bough

[final bough]

ok

[final bough]

@timber dock srry for pinging, i encountered strange bug with attaching lights to marker, i have simply no lights where i placed them. i tried to do 2 times with different capures but nothing changed, usda looks normally too and i can see all lights in toolkit and that they are attached to marker

and marker is in game

[timber dock]

Huh that’s weird

[final bough]

https://tenor.com/view/omniman-gif-26206182

[timber dock]

So you placed marker num 100? do you still use my base remix mod? I might also have overrides on num 100.
If you recapture the scene with that marker now, lights will show up in the toolkit if you load that capture?

[final bough]

oh f i didnt know that i need to type in new number, one sec will try with 100

no way its working now, thanks man!

[timber dock]

wdym with new number? the material hash that is assigned to the marker says 0x64 which is 100 in decimal so it should already be 100?
Try something more random like 380

[final bough]

100 works

[timber dock]

huh wait what happend

what was it before

or did you not save the marker and just spawned a new one after making edits in the toolkit?

[final bough]

number here was 0 before and when i typed 100 it works

[timber dock]

iirc the first 100 markers are reserved for markers using the entity system which can get culled just like normal objects .. so no cull markers start at 100 I think

[final bough]

somehow marker doesnt cull

[timber dock]

these dont cull - you can create cullable markers only by manually adding them to the map_settings file because you cant modify them at runtime

[final bough]

xor, do i need to create new marker for each capture? cuz im trying to attach lights to old marker and i have no lights again

[final bough]

nothing changed even when i placed new marker directly under the room

[timber dock]

No they should stay visible on the entire map. You are now using marker 200?

[final bough]

im using markers 101 and 102

Strange that i can attach light to marker 100 but cant on 101 and 102, but i did everything like before

[warped dock]

maybe same marker id is for other map?

[final bough]

i dont think so, cuz in basic mod theres textures for markers only until 99

[timber dock]

Nah just look through the map settings file if the marker you want to use is already in use

[final bough]

i think i found what markers are merging, or im not looking where i need to? cuz its nocull option, and theres no marker with number 102

[timber dock]

just for consistency, follow the format of already created markers. You are on c6 maps, so I suggest using the 600 range. That way you can be sure that nothing conflicts.
You only really need 1 marker per map if you are not going to disable it in certain areas. Make sure you add the marker to the map_settings file if you place it via the ingame gui.
You can add as many lights and meshes in various captures to the same marker. Never had any problems doing that

[grizzled bluff]

i'll be watching your progress with great interest

Nostalgia Drive Team build

xoxor4d's

random

[warped dock]

Hello there

😉

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[final bough]

appreciate that, i will post new screenshots of second level of "the passing" any time soon

[warped dock]

there will be some more on oncoming months 😄

[final bough]

here just a little spoiler for now😉

[warped dock]

stay tuned folks 😉

[glad widget]

Hi guys, I just tried the demo from Nostalgia Drive Team and for some reason, everything has a blue tint (character skin, medkits, textures etc.), any idea ?

[warped dock]

yo, it means that compatibility mod didnt launched properly with the game

have you started game from steam?

you should run the game from this batch in game folder

[glad widget]

No, I ran it via run-l4d2-rtx bat file.

[warped dock]

how did you install the mod exactly step by step?

[warped dock]

can you show me the root folder?

[glad widget]

I unzipped this into my L4D2 root folder (F:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Left 4 Dead 2)

[warped dock]

the game is installed on C:/Program Files x86/Steam?

[glad widget]

No, it's on another drive (F:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Left 4 Dead 2)

[warped dock]

can we have conversation on voice chat so we dont throw messages with delay?

[glad widget]

Sorry, I don't have a mic right now. Nevermind, it's OK, thanks for your help!

[sleek cove]

I feel like performance will be one of the biggest problems

For reference, they say that the RTX 5080 was doing 30fps at 4K DLSS Performance

So that’s 1080p internal

[final bough]

dont know about 30 fps, but here its 50 most of the time at 4K DLSS Performance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up_9zzFHQ_M&t=808s

its not a surprise that fps is that low even on 5080, path tracing... path tracing...

[sleek cove]

They did mention in the article it could hit 50 sometimes

https://wccftech.com/left-4-dead-2-rtx-ndt-massive-performance-hit-rtx-5080/

[sleek cove]

I think the two main issues is

1. Fixed function causing some CPU issues like in P2 RTX
2. Pathtracing is very intensive with large enemy counts

[final bough]

wdym sometimes, it didnt drop to 30 in the video i send

it dropped to 40 only

[final bough]

ye its true

[sleek cove]

Yeah, maybe the article is wrong then because they’re using this video as reference but I don’t see it averaging 30fps like said

https://youtu.be/up_9zzFHQ_M?si=h2HGFfbGLFYmR8N_

It’s still not the best for 1080p internal

My 5060 Ti can do 1080p native at similar fps in different Remix titles

[final bough]

ngl but my mod have the same performance

i will upload gameplay of it on my yt soon

[sleek cove]

Actually scratch that, my can do it at high settings but the video linked is doing Ultra

[final bough]

i want to ask this guy do the same but with my mod lol

[warped dock]

there is a ton of optimalisation that can be done with this compatibility mod

[final bough]

i really love his benchmarks

[warped dock]

i mean sure i released version that looks the best ;D

[sleek cove]

For sure, because as of now, it’s one of the heaviest

[final bough]

btw you are now focusing on gta 4 for now?

from my knowledge i know 2 things that can hit performance: alpha foliage and very intensive lights

intensive i mean 1000 and higher

[sleek cove]

For P2 RTX, I like to take my AMD card and view BVH structures to see what’s the most problematic
It’s also shows any areas that are being rendered outside player view

[final bough]

removing culling or at least reducing it is very necessary for remix games ngl and it hits performance A LOT

in l4d2 on riverbank culling is very intensive but on bedlam map theres really no culling or its that far, its something more map specific

[thorn timber]

l4d2 would probably benefit having the entire static world being rendered in remix like it is for sp_a1_wakeup in p2 rtx, it doubled performance

then you dont have to worry about culling being disabled

[thorn timber]

remix has no issue with light counts, the bottleneck is the amount of lights in the game itself

[final bough]

like here i was needed to make intensive lights for original look it hits performance quite a lot + theres alpha foliage so its a combo lol

[thorn timber]

if you were to render all lights as a remix replacement or api lights, there would almost be 0 cost

[final bough]

oh thats how

[thorn timber]

do you have a level in mind that runs poorly? i can try converting the map into a remix replacement to see the perf difference

[final bough]

yep c6m2_bedlam, appreciate that

[warped dock]

Gonna Jump between the projects l4d2 and gta 4 to not get burnout with one

[final bough]

you mean like convert all terrain to 1 mesh? so it can hide culling too, right?

[thorn timber]

it would retain each mesh as it was ingame, but the entire level is rendered in remix while engine rendering is disabled, its easier on the BVH while also relieving any engine bottlenecks

but yes there would be 0 level culling

[final bough]

each you mean even objects like this? not only terrain

but what if i have replacement on them

it will like 2 object in 1?

clipping

[thorn timber]

1 .yes any static objects like the map and baked props, anything dynamic is left out as that would cause some weird issues.

2. it would break replacements since its a mod itself, you'd have to replace it again

but no there would be no overlap

[sleek cove]

Needed for some, P2 RTX works because most of the game is split up in chambers

Once the player steps into the next chamber, you can cull the previous one because it’s never seen again

[final bough]

oh thats how ok, can you do a c6m2_riverbank too if you have time pls?

[thorn timber]

yeah soon

[sleek cove]

That looks amazing

[final bough]

i noticed this thing too, it some kind of scripted panel from devs that are placing when players steps to another area

[final bough]

old video showing it

[sleek cove]

What does this look like in normal Left 4 Dead 2?

[final bough]

i dont have a clean install of l4d2 sadly, but as xoxor said to me it was just a black panel if im not lying

[thorn timber]

how do i get l4d2 to ignore workshop addons

i have so many

[final bough]

delete them

[thorn timber]

gmod has a -noworkshop commandline parameter

[final bough]

its not working in l4d2?

[thorn timber]

no

ok well -insecure worked lol

[final bough]

hmmm strange, theres addons control panel in game menu but you cant disable there too

[sleek cove]

Steam properties should be able to toggle it off

[thorn timber]

disabling culling just seems to break stuff lmao

[final bough]

damn

[thorn timber]

@timber dock do you know why raising the culling distance past 6500 causes some objects to cull anyway?

we dont run into this with p2rtx

[final bough]

.

@thorn timber

[timber dock]

Not sure tbh. Might be the recursive function messing stuff up or related to the area culling system the game uses

[final bough]

@timber dock do you know what might cause water pixelization and that you can see through it?

[timber dock]

No sorry 🙁
see through is likely due to no geometry below the water surface?

[fast dock]

Add geo

[final bough]

i had this issue before many times so i thought its a common issue and you know how to fix it, somehow it fixes for me sometimes when im reinstalling combability patch but not now. gonna try to copy enhancements on my second l4d2

well water is no longer pixelated, but i still can see through it, will try do put ground underneath

[final bough]

gonna try to anchor all map to marker

[final bough]

guys, yall noticed what changed 😀

no more seeable culling

[final bough]

changed things a little bit that roof top things and roofs dont get culled too

and water looks normal too now

still need to do animation for it

[final bough]

remade model and texture for jukebox

[sleek cove]

I’ve been resisting the urge to say what I always say

https://tenor.com/view/stewie-crazy-family-guy-insomnia-straitjacket-gif-11617438

[final bough]

all videos are ready , will upload gameplay and side-by-side comparison tomorrow on my yt

[coarse forge]

anyone know why its so bright?

nicks model is also completley bugged

Frame generation is also broken for me, black squares on the side of my screen

9800x3d and 5090 if that makes a difference

i already did a complete clean install of the game as well to no avail

anyone know of any solutions?

[final bough]

its supposed to look like this

[timber dock]

It’s an overblend effect. Should go away shortly after being able to move tho

[coarse forge]

i think its the volumetric lighting for some reason its making everything super blown out

[timber dock]

Yea I increase a bunch of settings while the intro campath is active but these should transition back after spawning

[coarse forge]

i just fixed this by replacing with the newest Nvidia streamline 2.9.0 and it went away

[coarse forge]

ill see if i can take another screenshot

this is how it should look

but with volumetric lighting on

its super duper foggy

is that normal?

[timber dock]

Like I said, it’s supposed to reset

[coarse forge]

thats weird it just persisting for me

[timber dock]

Did you skip the intro camera?

[coarse forge]

wdym

like the cutscene when the game starts?

or the intro with the helicopter leaving

[timber dock]

Yeah was that playing for you

The helicopter

[coarse forge]

yeah the helicopter left and they were telling it to wait

let me restart steam and my pc and see if it does anything

[timber dock]

Huh weird

[coarse forge]

ok um

restarting my pc worked

for some reason

😂

this looks MUCH MUCH better

holy moly

i think its cause i was appearig offline in steam?

and for some reason it said steam wasnt open even tho it was on the batch file

but yeah it went away like you said

should multicore rendering be turned on?

actually is there anyway to force it to reset?

the problem is back again

[coarse forge]

figured it out

if you want to reset it just go into dev mode-> Global volumetrics -> set quality level preset -> default

still not as good looking as the other screenshot

but this is probably as good as its gonna get

[coarse forge]

ok just did another clean install

hopefully the issue gets fixed

still the same issue

also get rtx remix runtime crash when changing volumetrics

:((

[timber dock]

It’s only in this map . You can remove the intro config from
The map_settings.toml file under configvars I think. This will get rid of the j ital blooming effect

[coarse forge]

youre goated

omg

it worked

looks so much better

thank you mann

[warped dock]

it reminds me of mod somebody made this weapon holding XD

unrecord style l4d2 ultra realistic mod

or something like that

[coarse forge]

oh yeah i was just using the mw2019 weaponn mods

path tracing with the gun mods really gives it a newer feel

[warped dock]

aye

[final bough]

@timber dock is there anyway to disable rt without getting this?

i want to do comparison vid also

[timber dock]

Ingame? No

You’ll have to rename the d3d9.dll and the asi

You can create a batch for that similar to the one that ships with the p2 comp mod

[topaz yarrow]

Could probably record in-game demo and do a playback? One version would be remix and the other original

[final bough]

good idea, but i want to do side by side comparison with pictures, and gameplay with rt will be at the end of the video probably

[timber dock]

recording and playing back demos is probably the way to go

[final bough]

i have two l4d2 on pc, so i will just probably do pictures on the same coordinates in both versions

[final bough]

some new changes:
added metallic map to cars
new glass textures and new vending machine model

[final bough]

@timber dock i want to do gun replacements, but they are unstable when holding in hands, what if i unbake them is it gonna break something?

as i can see guns uses different file type also

[timber dock]

nothing you can do about that and unbaking will prob. break them completely. If you want to mod the weapons, you'll have to do so via a source mod

[final bough]

oh damn, i guess will do just texturing for them then

[final bough]

so here i replaced almost all weapons textures

made them all a little bit more reflective cuz of rainy weather

[final bough]

@timber dock srry for ping again, do you have any suggestions how to make light from gun shot?

the only thing i tried is to mark gun shot as world space ui texture but ye it didnt help

[timber dock]

not really no .. I would have to spawn a light via the api but that is easier said than done

[final bough]

@timber dock do you know maybe why does my water is not animated? but in rtx remix it is animated, one sec will send a video

like here water marked as "animated water" and we can see that its get animated

[timber dock]

I've never used that category so no idea why it does not work ingame

[final bough]

but isnt water on swamp map is animated?

[timber dock]

I'm always using a spritesheet normalmap

[final bough]

oh thats how

is there any tutorial?

[final bough]

whats strange that water was animated but now not

and i didnt change anything

xor is there anyway that i can use your normal map ?

this one

i would give you a proper credit

[timber dock]

sure you can use all the assets that come with the base mod

[final bough]

finally fixed that shi

and now we have water😀

[ornate agate]

You think this could work for other rtx remix source games ?

[final bough]

why not, its just replacement through rtx remix not game engine

[ornate agate]

Soooo, are you willing to share this asset ?

👉👈

Just saying it would look sick in VTMB rtx remix, because rn, the water it's just a black texture 😂

[final bough]

its not my asset

ask xoxor

[timber dock]

sure

[sinful lava]

how can i play multiplayer with rtx remix

[timber dock]

dont - VAC

[warped dock]

Not on secure servers

Servers without shield icon

[sinful lava]

Also I tried loading a campaign from start and it immediately crashes once done loading

[sleek cove]

Remix triggers VAC?

[timber dock]

well .. yea because it can be used to cheat. Even its not detected, it will detect the comp mod

[sleek cove]

I forgot Left 4 Dead had PvP

[sinful lava]

Any way to fix this?

[final bough]

@timber dock im facing a strange bug with streaming i think not sure tho, let me explain, its happens when im playing for like 10 mins on c6m3_port without enabled freeze bots command in gui menu, BUT when i enable this command and walking around all 30 mins nothing happens and everything fine, and its fixes when im disabling enhanced meshes, all i want to say is that i have almost whole port map attached to marker to hide culling as much as i can, but i did it too on 2 others map of chapter and everything fine there

maybe you know what causes it?

and here light flicker too

[final bough]

some textures turns grey on the brick construction at the end

[timber dock]

how did you disable the original parts of the map?

[final bough]

i didnt, so it might mean that they are merging?

original one and one from remix

but its still strange that it happens past the time

if those were really merging it should show instantly

[timber dock]

not sure never seen anything like that. You should disable the original meshes tho

[final bough]

but why i just dont understand? it will optimize performance or wha? i did left original meshes in others 2 maps and everything fine there

[timber dock]

maybe somethings tagged as UI that shouldnt?

or the game is rendering something that it shouldnt

[final bough]

oh wait maybe

lemme check

nope, but what i found is flashlight breaks everything and when im pressing on texture it leads to 8x8 white texture

can it be source limitations somehow tho? rendering too much things, or game now uses fully custom pipeline?

and it happens not on all areas

[timber dock]

yea I think I've seen this somewhere and fixed it by some modification

[final bough]

dont remember the code?

and where it need to be placed

[timber dock]

I have no room in my head to think about other projects right now

[final bough]

well alright i understand

will you ever touch l4d2 again btw?

[timber dock]

not sure what else I could add tbh. I'll have to update the runtime at some point

[final bough]

just curious is it possible to integrate api lights to remix

in l4d2

[timber dock]

you can literally spawn and animate them with the f4 menu 😄

[final bough]

ik, i mean translate original lights to remix

[timber dock]

I have no clue where the game holds it's light data .. a lot of the light is probably baked into the lightmaps with no "light" information left

[final bough]

aight, thanks for letting me know

[thorn timber]

reading the bsp map data is the easier way for source games

[timber dock]

does the bsp still have all of the light entity information left in it?

cod games omit all of that

[signal condor]

Yes the BSP map data contains literal things called light entities which are ONLY used for light calculations

You don't actually even really need to pull the BSP data though

the engine contains a worldlights list that you can process

I know the gmod people have the BSPParser built into lua but in DM I just get the engine offset for the worldlights array and convert them to API lights

[sinful lava]

anyone have an issue when on the main menu

cant see what im selecting

[warped dock]

Launch game via bat in game folder

[sinful lava]

Is there anyway to bypass the Insecure to play online?

[warped dock]

it does need to hack game render

so

um

you will get vac ban

[thorn timber]

i never got a vac ban playing tf2 rtx back in like 2023

[sinful lava]

Also does the game do automatic shader compilation when you start up RTX remix?

[thorn timber]

it does shader compilation the moment it starts path tracing

its very short though

[signal condor]

You can play with friends on a local server if you have -insecure as a launch parameter

But you can not join steam servers

[thorn timber]

iirc xoxor4d already passes this with his bat file

or maybe the compat mod itself, but i know its already set

[signal condor]

bless

[sleek cove]

there's non vac servers

I think

[thorn timber]

i wouldnt join those

[sleek cove]

ez solution: host your own

[thorn timber]

there u go

[sleek cove]

maybe I should one day throw server hosting into the Publishing Initiative, lol

[warped dock]

@thorn timber yo i have one question you are master of source engine games and i saw once that you build tool to catch scene light and translate it to rtx lights would it be possible with l4d2 rtx comp mod from xorxor4d? 😄

[thorn timber]

i think you mean the blender toolkit? You can turn captured lights back into replacements

you can chain multiple captures together as well as i know getting rid of map culling isnt that easy in this game

[warped dock]

you had something on garrys mod that i saw on the other video on yt great stuff man by the way

you wrote the command and it instantly started to fill the map with lights

[thorn timber]

ah, those are remix api lights. You have to find a way to parse all of the source worldlights in the map and then some code to translate them back into api lights. For gmod it was a lot simpler because lua libraries already existed to get this data but for something like l4d2 or other source games, it's going to be a lot more difficult

im afraid im not as knowledgeable as xoxor4d or king david when it comes to this

[warped dock]

thank you for reply

[signal condor]

With an external module, maybe xoxors, find the engine.dll and get the worldlights struct out

once you have that you have two options

directly convert their data to API lights

or just spawn a prop_dynamic at their position so they never "turn off"

Before I did API light conversion for DM I just spawned microscopic pyramids with a texture that is ignored by remix

only the host needs to do that spawning

so theoretically this can ALSO be done with a simple sourcemod plugin

[grave finch]

It depends if you will inject dll with wiped pe headers you should be fine. Don't make my mistakes though

[ivory smelt]

i'm late to the party but is this screenshots of the compatibility mod without any modifications?

[fast dock]

Looks like it

[fast dock]

Im curious, and I mean no offense when I ask this, what do you do with the information given after you ask a question, is it just general questions outa curiosity or is it smthn else?

[ivory smelt]

pretty much general questions of curiosity :). I like to know what's happening and how things have changed. I try to keep a pulse on things happening across the community.

Sometimes i'm looking for interesting threads or stories. Things that might be worth sharing more broadly, either internally or externally.

[timber dock]

This is how the compatibility mod looks out of the box without further mods 👌

[grizzled bluff]

yep, no changes

I like the look tho

[grave finch]

ye he hooked some of Source engine funcs to make it happen facinating

but offsets to them are hardcoded wichs mean if game updates mod dies, but will work on signature scanning pull request

[sinful lava]

is there a way to disable rtx remix for l4d

[warped dock]

delete d3d9.dll from folder propably

[sinful lava]

worked! thanks

[jade island]

😭

wtf

[sleek cove]

Keep in mind, it was never a full remaster

Most of the areas weren’t touched

[jade island]

ok?

[warped dock]

did you download the pack with materials from NDT??

[jade island]

🙁

[jade island]

left 4 dead 2 RTX mods

[sleek cove]

Seems to just be the base mod

[sinful lava]

how does one disable RTX Remix on L4D

[sinful lava]

I

[sinful lava]

How do I uninstall RTX remix on left 4 dead?

[timber dock]

Simply delete the files you extracted into the game folder

[hot prism]

Hey y'all, just wanted to say this mod is looking sick as hell, and that y'all are awesome.

[pearl halo]

find d3d9.dll in bin and delete it

[brazen sonnet]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3558049615&searchtext=nekoshader Hmm I completely forgot about this mod

[final bough]

early progress on my new l4d2 mod for dead air campaign
all original lights sources have been placed, a bunch of remaded textures used and a few mesh replacements done

here some of remaded props by me

[final bough]

@timber dock do you know any reasons why would general tab in dev gui has nothing?

I cant do prop unbaking cuz of this

tried to reinstall game 2 times, didnt help

[sleek cove]

Unbaking isn’t in map settings?

[final bough]

.

no

in general

it was there before for me

[timber dock]

uh I guess you downloaded the latest release and not used the actions build (which is now expired)?

general never had unbaking. it has infected, weapons and maps

[final bough]

ah do i use this?

[timber dock]

I've triggered a new build, grab it when its ready: https://github.com/xoxor4d/l4d2-rtx/actions/runs/21880933097

[final bough]

yeah just noticed it

all good now thanks

[hoary depot]

thanksss

[final bough]

is updating runtime in your plans tho?

[sleek cove]

[timber dock]

what are you missing that you need?

the portal 2 update didnt went that well and still has a big issue with vertex hashing and explosions for some reason

[final bough]

its not necessary rn, just asking for a future like when dlss 4.5 will be implemented to remix

what is that in the sky👀

[timber dock]

3d skybox

[final bough]

just it wasnt there before on previous version with 3d skybox enabled

[brazen sonnet]

auto pbr?

[sleek cove]

Portal 2 didn’t get auto pbr

[brazen sonnet]

ik. I'm saying for l4d2

[sleek cove]

Ah

[brazen sonnet]

Portal 2 crashes just like gmod for me

so i dont care for it XD

[sleek cove]

Oof

[brazen sonnet]

i get like 4 seconds max into a level and then it freezes

gmod aint THAT bad

though that is still annoying

[sleek cove]

I’ve never had one of our devs or testers report that, so I wouldn’t know what the issue is

[brazen sonnet]

gives the same error that gmod does

[sleek cove]

Which is?

[thorn timber]

vk device lost

their gpu does not like remix or something

[brazen sonnet]

just gmod and prtal 2

remix itself is fine

tried so many games

even left 4 dead 2 runs perfectly, only crashes where it usually crashes with heavy mods

[brazen sonnet]

gta 4 also does it too

[brazen sonnet]

Changed to this

the crash extended to l4d2 now

[final bough]

remade a bunch of new stuff

[grave finch]

Yo do you still use offsets? I can make signatures for ya

[timber dock]

yes and no, I'll do that when I have the time for that. need to refactor the codebase a bit before doing that

[grave finch]

I can help you with that
https://libomath.org/utility/pe_pattern_scan/

[timber dock]

I already have a system for that and use it in newer projects. Want to keep it similar between projects that I have to maintain

[grave finch]

Wow looks crazy, gj

[grave finch]

Try vcpkg for package management , it's very handy

[grizzled bluff]

glad to see some movement in this thread, thought l4d2 was abandoned

[final bough]

anyone know why does text look normal in toolkit, but in the game its half transparent?

the texture is just text with alpha background

glass marked as thin-walled and im using texture as diffuse layer

[final bough]

new assets

and the mirror🤩

[timber dock]

hot

[tawny hinge]

Is there gonna be a way to play RTX online and with mods? (steam official servers)

[timber dock]

no - you’ll get vac banned if you try so just don’t

[warped dock]

Only on unsecured servers so Pay attention

You are responsible what you do with your account and game

[tawny hinge]

L valve for that

[grave finch]

Welll

If you erase pe headers you should be good to go

[timber dock]

not gonna happen

[grave finch]

Or you can go even further virtualize minhook to break potential sigs

[grave finch]

I got banned for my bhop cheat

[warped dock]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[graceful plover]

How can I fix it?

[quasi zinc]

Looks great!

[lavish crest]

Bill became younger damn

[grizzled bluff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1alBAF2byTw

running a 40°C fever be like ^

[brazen sonnet]

Will adding ToPBR/AutoPBR be feisable? Or at least worth it if it is. Since IDK if this game is like CSS with its broken materials (IK it would be worth for the countless cod model ports though lol)

[fast sigil]

anyway to get sun shadows on maps?

wwz nyc map looks insane

[timber dock]

You may need to mark the skybox as sky in remix and could then use a fallback distant light. I think I've added the sun via map markers on other maps

[fast sigil]

yea been using the fall back, just wondering if there was way to link to sun

[final bough]

To the original sun?

You would need a custom script for it ig

[fast sigil]

o

[final bough]

I was working on this map tho

But not anymore

Maybe will continue sometime

[fast sigil]

ye the wwz map

[fast sigil]

some dead before dawn custom campaign