Half Life: Source (2nd Thread)

[heady moth]

Ive decided to dedicate my time not on tf2 but hl1 instead, using garrys mod since the original game doesn't have compatibility

[timber storm]

"they're waiting for you Gordon. In the test chamber..."

Cool!

[crimson trout]

https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1116089843479498782

[fallen portal]

@heady moth there is already a channel for that

[timber storm]

Unless I'm misunderstanding, they're working on half life 1 but within Gmod specifically

So the scope is smaller than general GMOD and covers another game's content entirely

I think this is unique enough from the GMOD + HL1 threads that it could warrant it's own

[fallen portal]

It is, but its still gmod, no need to divided it into two topics, especially its the same game, they are just making a replacements for a specific set of maps, just like how we always did

If they needed help they could just send it in the gmod thread

[timber storm]

Hmm fair point. I'll bring it up and see what the other mods think

[heady moth]

this was origionally just supposed to be half life, but the half life source engine was busted with rtx so I used gmods engine

[timber storm]

I have returned

Basically we came to the conclusion that the needs for each project do vary quite significantly (Gmod is a whole sandbox after all)

If there's really work put into this, then you'd be getting lots of HL1 stuff most people in the Gmod thread might not care about/benefit from

But if there are any benefits or discoveries that might help the other, she can still head to the Gmod thread for info/relaying findings

You got the green light, full steam ahead @heady moth

[heady moth]

awesome!

with that out of the way, I find emissive light to be a wonderful tool rather than the usual spot cylinder etc etc lights

much more environmental

[heady moth]

Hello I'm on my main account (I've been using my alt account from pc because it doesn't get alot of dms to read over)
Anyways today before I had to leave for work I found out that if you mix a half decent smoothness map (placed in roughness) and normal map, and then use the normal map/smoothmap combination with Nvidias ai tool you can get some pretty neat results (this won't even matter if I make proper upscale textures)

Also if you turn off sky lights and remake your own it's much more customizable weird limitations and change

If anyone can explain that feel free

[magic sierra]

sources works

[timber storm]

Worth mentioning that while this is one of the best case scenarios for emissives, something like a rectangular light source would still be better. It's much more stable and detailed. For static scenes there may as well not be a difference, but for enemies/headcrabs moving around the difference might be noticeable

Not saying you should stop using emissives as light sources or anything, just a heads up if you want to look into that down the line

Though you would still use emissives just to get the nice glow effect on the surface of the light. Similar to these shots from my project

The light fixture model on the wall does have an emissive, but it's set to be very weak and only exists to make the model look like an active light emitter when in reality there's a sphere light right in front of it doing the heavy lifting

[heady moth]

fair enough

[heady moth]

sources hooks, but functionality is at a minimum, and it only hooks for me, not a patch script nor config has worked for me to get it to run nvidias remix

I had tried it on the gearbox (apposing force) game to try it out to no function

[steel yarrow]

I don't mean to be rude but HL1RTX already exists and it looks pretty good. What are you planning to do to differentiate it from the latter? Add, for example, new stuff like new textures and meshes?

[heady moth]

while hl1rtx (xash3d) looks very good and will always look better than mine, I plan to go full out compared to his mod, no hate to him, this is just a different formatting of raytracing, one using vulkan, the other using directx

I do plan on adding more

full screen reflections, more stability than that, as well as more clear lighting without as many crashes

pbr etc etc

mostly started as a thing for myself and my friends said I should make it a project

I gushed over the hl1 rtx when it released and im not doing this to one up it in any way

[steel yarrow]

neat

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-if-what-you-have-told-me-is-true-you-will-have-gained-my-trust-anakin-mace-windu-gif-16838834

[heady moth]

https://tenor.com/view/vibing-cat-gif-22662706

[timber storm]

There's potential for some pretty significant differences between a Remix-remaster and HL1RTX. I think on a technical level Remix is more advanced, but it's not strictly better. I think it would be fun to have two raytraced HL1 mods that we could compare to see different approaches 🙂

As it stands I think a lot of people assume raytracing is raytracing and that's that. But there are many different methods and algorithms used that give different results

[heady moth]

launches a black screen, valve intro music but no video, crashes

as I said half life source tryna work rtx remix is very very jank

[magic sierra]

IT works

Perfectly for me

[heady moth]

how

[magic sierra]

dawg its called asking for help

[heady moth]

everything ive tried has lead to a crash/bsod

[magic sierra]

🙏

hold on

[heady moth]

I was perfectly fine with the gmod thing and asked for alot of help, but thanks for helping me here

[magic sierra]

Ask in the gmod area

everyones in there

its basically the main source engine help thread

[heady moth]

ask them how to boot hl1 in rtx?

[magic sierra]

hl source?

or hl1

i will show you how to boot hls in a sec

i gotta redo it rq

[heady moth]

ok

[heady moth]

how

[magic sierra]

ok so

do you know how the use that patcher

[heady moth]

I used it

[magic sierra]

it gives you a patched folder

Place applypatch.py inside of your game folder and run it. Patched DLLs will appear within a "patched" directory, copy these over the original.

[heady moth]

I did that step

[magic sierra]

replace the dlls

with the patched one

one's

[heady moth]

I did

[magic sierra]

launch the game with this

hl2.exe -game hl1 -window -noborder -w 1920 -h 1080 +sv_cheats 1 -dxlevel 70 +mat_dxlevel 70 +mat_disable_d3d9ex 1 +mat_softwarelighting 0 +mat_queue_mode 0 +c_frustumcull 0 r_novis 1 +r_frustumcullworld 0 +r_occlusion 0 +r_lod 0 +r_staticprop_lod 0 +r_worldlights 16 +r_unloadlightmaps 1 +r_shadows 0 +r_glint_alwaysdraw -1 +r_3dsky 0

and put these in the hl2 folder

[heady moth]

ok,

Half life 1 (no longer garrys mod)

@magic sierrathanks

[magic sierra]

cheers

[heady moth]

@magic sierra new problem, the game boots up, and instantly closes

[magic sierra]

-novid

try adding -novid

[heady moth]

alright works

[timber storm]

Well that was a fun series of events

[heady moth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1135348779877404869/1222952132437606431/841358970693484555-1.gif

[magic sierra]

its been working for a little

[heady moth]

how exactly do you stop the textures from becoming clearthrough

[magic sierra]

beats me

what map

[heady moth]

its the first mapof interloper

[heady moth]

Next thing to work on is the white textures for all the guns

[magic sierra]

its the chrome

[heady moth]

You mean the cube map textures?

[somber fable]

I'm confused, if this is HL:Source there already exists a thread for that, if this is original OpenGL version, I thought that wasn't supported

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[heady moth]

This started out as a gmod mod, and was allowed to make this as a thread as to not clutter the gmod room, then someone said to do all this and it was pointless to do gmod half life

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[somber fable]

idk if you have the ability, but merging existing HL source and this one might be a good idea if theres any missing info

[heady moth]

Thankfully as of right now there isn't any missing info except for the latter maps textures going transparent, and that threads idea is alot different from my ideas from what I can see

However I am going to look into that

It may be a good idea

For some parts at least

[somber fable]

could you pin these messages? #1227291080496644137 message

[heady moth]

I will when I get on my alt (which I used to make this thread) I'm not at my pc atm

[somber fable]

sure no prob, take ur time

[heady moth]

@somber fable if you don't mind me asking (if you know anything about it) why is this happening?

[somber fable]

I haven't worked with source in years and frankly at this point im just guessing but I think it has something to do with culling being disabled or messed with at some point

probably something to do with these commands
+c_frustumcull 0 r_novis 1 +r_frustumcullworld 0 +r_occlusion 0 +r_lod 0

idk if you have to edit the map in anyway to resolve these, or just some custom patching that needs to be done for the engine, for which im not qualified, but I am working on learning that stuff!

[heady moth]

Do you think I should ask Mark? I've tried editing in the remix tool itself but the items show up in there

[somber fable]

Maybe try asking the oribifold guys working on HL2 remix, they're working with an engine closer to HL:Source than the gmod one. I am guessing that there haven't been any major engine changes to the HL2 latest steam build from 2007/8 onwards (there was some changes when hl2 epi 2 came out that might have migrated to all versions, but again I am not sure)

[heady moth]

Do you know which user is working for orbifold?

[magic sierra]

I'm pretty sure the bug normally happens in actual hl source

[heady moth]

darn

Any fix or is it a lost cause

Because it's a very prominent issue

Actually do you think it would be a bad idea to implement (https://www.moddb.com/mods/half-life-source-fixed) [half life source fixed] and/or tell people to instal it before using my mod?

[magic sierra]

try the mod

[somber fable]

it uses source 2013 which might cause compatibility issues with remix but im not sure

[magic sierra]

yummy

[heady moth]

Shiney yum

[heady moth]

I have a pbr thing started if you wanna use that and mayb join and help and allat don't gotta

[magic sierra]

pics?

[heady moth]

Later when I'm on pc (I'm at work lol)

[magic sierra]

wicked

[heady moth]

nvm

[heady moth]

No new updates today I've been busy with work

[heady moth]

This map with no clipping textures!!!

[magic sierra]

looks great!

[heady moth]

I'm back from the er and continued work on this mod, starting with generating a pbr thing with octatex and maybe might start just remaking textures, altho I would take forever on that so idk yet, I did find out that if you have a sun setting on a displacement map it causes a whole Lotta warping

[heady moth]

Image failed to load In showcase

[hallow harbor]

https://www.merlininkazani.com/half-life-rtx-remix-modu-haber-125802 you just got appeared on turkish gaming news

[heady moth]

:gaspe:

[heady moth]

I had my turkish friend read it for me and its cool to be in an article!

no the article is on my mod

no, its on half life source

hl1 doesnt function with rtx remix

or any goldsrc game

[magic sierra]

it uses the gmod screenshot

[heady moth]

its the same in source but oh well

[hallow harbor]

They did mention the name

[hallow harbor]

Heres reference

Anyway its kind of messed up on that article when comes to screenshot

[lean lark]

you were also on the russian news https://www.igromania.ru/news/137408/fanat-half-life-nachal-rabotu-nad-modom-rtx-remix-i-pokazal-skrinshot/

[heady moth]

[magic sierra]

slop

[odd swan]

i don't really understand what this thread is, lol. is it just a project working on base HL1 now? instead of through GMod?

[heady moth]

aperently 😭 it was just supposed to be hl1 gmod but people insisted I should use source

[odd swan]

ah, so this is Half Life Source then

[heady moth]

whic already has a thread

[odd swan]

also, if this is your project, do what you like 😛

[heady moth]

I will admit hl1 even with its many bugs its much more optimized
12 fps--->65 fps doesnt contain a laugh from me

[odd swan]

if your project is going to be different than the other HL Source project, i'd suggest coming up with a name to differentiate it from the other one

it'll help down the road

[heady moth]

like what

[hallow harbor]

naming "HL1 Source" can be less confusable but theres already thread of that

[odd swan]

Half Life Remix
Half Life RTX

just the generic names like that. there's a lot more you can do in terms of creative naming, but i suck with that

[odd swan]

for now, i'll rename it to HL Source (2nd Thread)

Half Life: Source (2nd Thread)

when you come up with a name, you can change the thread name to it

[heady moth]

alright

[magic sierra]

no dx in hl1

atleast not in this version

theres old versions of hl1 with dx

but i never got them to work

for like 2 weeks

[heady moth]

I meant source

while hl1 source has many bugs its more stable than hl1 gmod

[magic sierra]

true dat

[heady moth]

Just call it project complex

[heady moth]

it apears the new version of rtx remix doesnt work with half life 1

nvm forgot applypatch

nvm it still doesnt

[wise ferry]

i saw this!

i read it

someone told me about it

[heady moth]

[jagged girder]

Is this installed the same as half life 2? Using PortalRTX or Prelude with the "-game hl2" parameter?

[heady moth]

I got it to work without prelude

[cerulean sapphire]

anything new?

[heady moth]

no

im working on #1229858482530943037 for now

[cerulean sapphire]

I see. I might start working on some texture and lighting config stuff. Looks fun 🙂

[heady moth]

Good luck!

[cerulean sapphire]

Any chance you know who MochaTheProot is? https://www.moddb.com/mods/half-life-1-rtx

[heady moth]

Thats me