SCP: Containment Breach

[blissful pilot]

probably not gonna work lmao

Yeah same result as compiling v1.108 without dxwrapper :/

This is the .exe if you're curious

and just for consistency

These are the two .bb files used to make it

should in theory fix render target if it were compiled in v1.106

Also, I think the FastExt.bb I gave was modified (something I tried randomly)

here's the correct one: comes directly from the .zip and it works with compiling

with the previous one I sent it gave me an Illegal Conversion Error when compiling

[oak dirge]

notepad++ tells me there are 250 ) in the file

which is an even number

[blissful pilot]

..yeah? ..

[oak dirge]

they always come in pairs

[blissful pilot]

oh

Yeah I have no idea why but there was one bracket which was missing

it was even highlighted red, but it was in v1.3.11 source code as is, so it shouldn't cause an issue

I can't even remember where it was though

[oak dirge]

this one isn't highlighted so I'm dying

peak code editor

downloading a previous uer version and praying

I'm asking chatgpt to find it for me LMAO

it did not help

it could only read half the file

same thing on previous version

[fading fractal]

use vscode. it highlights errors pretty consistently

[oak dirge]

I just opened it

said 0

[fading fractal]

is it this file?

[oak dirge]

supposedly a missing ) somewhere according to the engine

[fading fractal]

what language is this in?

[oak dirge]

blitzbasic

[fading fractal]

it's just from a comment

the extra )

[fading fractal]

imeant to reply to this

[oak dirge]

the engine says all of that is commented

here right?

remove the lines no difference

Messed around with the scrolling and when I hit error check it jumps to put line 95 at the top

so looking from there

[fading fractal]

i just meant for the character count for the ) character

^[^()]*[(][^()]*$|^[^()]*[)][^()]*$```
look at this monster regex. use it in vs code

it finds any line with a missing ( or )

the only one it finds is that comment

although it does fail for more complex lines

[oak dirge]

lmao

wait nvmd

well that's interesting then

wtf is it mad about

this is the source code off github untouched too

[fading fractal]

could it be some other file that's leading to this one having problems?

[oak dirge]

no this is just me error checking the file it opens when I get the compile error off main

then it jumps to line 95

just trying to compile the github code in general atm

and I tried two different game versions

[blissful pilot]

it seems i missed a bit lol]

[blissful pilot]

Yeah thats what highlights it red for me

VS Code is the only way I can keep my sanity while working on code

[blissful pilot]

that's exactly how it looks for me

[blissful pilot]

what's line 95 say ?

Yeah I've never gotten that error so I have no idea what's causing it

[oak dirge]

Local Deviated% = ((Dir = 0 And Current_Deviation >= Max_Deviation_Distance_) Lor (Dir = 2 And Current_Deviation <= -Max_Deviation_Distance_))

[fading fractal]

i marked it as C#

replace ; with # so that the comments don't cause errors

the rest of it seems close enough

[fading fractal]

i don't see an issue there?

oh nvm

[oak dirge]

bout to just join their discord and be like
your code no compile

[blissful pilot]

There we go, I asked every channel I could think of on every discord of SCP:CB regarding v1.106 of Blitz3D

hopefully. someone, anyone.. has it

I don't think any archive still has it online, i've spent a long time looking, but its very likely someone.. especially maybe devs like Vain Brain do

I'm going to also Archive it in the SCP Archive once I get my hands on it :)

if...

[oak dirge]

your looking for engine 1.106?

[blissful pilot]

yes

Blitz3D v1.106

[oak dirge]

https://github.com/Veinhelm/Blitz3D-1.106
compile this maybe

[blissful pilot]

already got it

trying to learn how to compile it, but its easier said than done

[oak dirge]

the instructions at the bottom no help then

[blissful pilot]

update

turns out you need Microsoft Visual Studio 6.0 to compile it

so.. that's what I've been trying to get the last two hours :)

lotta fun

[blissful pilot]

released in 1998 for those of you that don't know

2017 is v15.5

its uh... old

Nvidia only predates it by 5 years

Founding of Nvidia anyhow

finally

only took a million years

[blissful pilot]

Also @oak dirge

Found out what could be causing the error you had

If that’s not it, try moving the main.bb file to where the .exe is rather than the other .bbs and see if that fixes it

If you still need that fix

[oak dirge]

Will take a look this evening then

That makes a lot of sense with how the code was written that it needs to be in the folder alongside the exe and such.

That's how the base game source is structured

[clear latch]

14 FPS On 4060 With FrameGen And Overclock 😭🙏

i need to buy the 9070xt soon

[oak dirge]

Dxwrapper makes this a bit of a brute force game. Is that with DLSS Performance?

[clear latch]

i have framgen on and ultra performance on DLSS, 20 fps

[oak dirge]

Damn

[oak dirge]

Transformer or CNN model

Cnn is easier to run but looks worse

[clear latch]

Tranformer

[north topaz]

How

[oak dirge]

Dxwrapper eats the frames during the translation I think. Not sure how close the performance is with it to without but in the past it was like a third.

I think I get like 55 with my 4080 at 1080p

[clear latch]

its an 4060, it has 24 ray trace cores

the 4090 has 128

[north topaz]

I’ve ran on worse

https://tenor.com/view/drug-anime-girl-gif-26426197

[oak dirge]

I used to run DXR on my 1070Ti

[blissful pilot]

Found v1.106 of Blitz3D btw

Trying to work on getting FastExt into 1.3.11, I was able to compile 1.2.4 successfully, but there’s a few steps to get it into 1.3.11

[formal sierra]

YAY

[north topaz]

Fun fact, that would run better than a Steam Deck

I've seen the GTX 1660 outperform the Deck in RT

heck, the 1660 can run DOOM Dark Ages at 60fps

[oak dirge]

Dxr and hybrid rt workloads are totally different than path tracing

The optimizations done through RTXDI straight up double the fps when implemented on them.

But double the fps for free doesn't sell 4090's

[clear latch]

well, the steam deck uses an APU and not an Dedicated GPU

[north topaz]

Yeah, but it’s also Hardware vs Software
So it’s impressive for a GTX card to run better doing all the RT without dedicated cores

[clear latch]

my phone can run better then the 1660 (i own an 1660)

[north topaz]

I doubt my phone can (Have a iPhone 16 Pro)

Good for Resident Evil tho

[clear latch]

i have an s24 ultra

your 16 pro an my s24 ultra both have ray tracing lol

[north topaz]

I know, not really used tho, I remember like one game with RT Shadows for both

[blissful pilot]

Hey I know this is going over and above and probably will be done later

but would you guys like to add Windowed mode to this remaster?

There's

• Borderless Windowed Mode, which we'll try getting working again,
• Fullscreen - no need to explain that one.
• but 1.2.4 and earlier had Windowed, by unchecking fullscreen. it's kinda self explanatory but its the game in a contained window with borders.

I kinda miss it honestly, It doesn't serve a ton of purpose.. but seeing as I'm adding FastExt and whatever else from 1.2.4 its possible

[oak dirge]

Did you compile 1.106

[blissful pilot]

Didn't need to.. (yet) I need to copy over the changes Juan made to b3d 1.108 to make it Mavless (where it writes error logs and bumpmapping) to 1.106 and compile a bin folder fo 1.106

but I have a prebuilt of 1.106 rn

I'm also trying to get 1.3.11 working with render target functionality with FastExt, its the second thing I'm doing

[oak dirge]

Oh you found one?

[blissful pilot]

Yep

[oak dirge]

Send plz

[blissful pilot]

I have a couple

so the place I got it from, the archive is still as of now

Forgot what discord I was on lol

Blitz3D v1.106 - here

And incase the archive goes down:

But I was also given this guy from a member of Third Division

[oak dirge]

Crazy how tiny it is. 8mb for tss

[blissful pilot]

not sure what the difference is, but it's different somehow

[oak dirge]

Since it's so tiny is that just the update changes

[blissful pilot]

this is the one i've been using

I can attest it's 1.106

so far I've been able to get 1.3.11 working in 1.106, even with FastExt, but by cutting down FastExt functions by 40%, SetBuffer() which is used for the rendertarget stuff seems to be heavily used in 1.3.11 without the implications of FastExt, so sometimes SetBuffer() is called and it calls the function from FastExt, breaking whatever call is in 1.3.11

1.2.4 has the opposite issue where its impossible to get it working without Fastext, the source code is so hardcoded that even the fricking launcher uses fastext to set fullscreen, or set the width and height

I thought it might be easier to work my way backwards by removing FastExt from 1.2.4 and slowly adding it back in to get the results we want, but it might be easier to troubleshoot 1.3.11 with implimenting FastExt

maybe compare the lines where SetBuffer() is used in both 1.2.4 and 1.3.11's code, and if they don't match up, investigate those lines

that's kinda what I'm doing now

I also had the idea of renaming the function in FastExt of SetBuffer() to SetBuffer2() or something, but I haven't been able to get that working, the closest i've gotten is you'll load in game, but as soon as you walk towards the monitor; -MAV

MAVs aren't a super bad thing, it more or less just tells me there's a loop or something that is causing exponential memory usage in the code. the only problem is the game MAV for a variety of reasons, error logs don't exist in 1.106; they were added in the Mavless Bin compiled by Juan, that's what the MAVLESS means. it spits out an error log when it can instead of immediately MAV when it can't load something

that's where the benefit of compiling that modified 1.106 would come in

[oak dirge]

Does debug mode even do anything when compiling

[blissful pilot]

when compiling, no idea, it makes the .exe really big

[oak dirge]

Idk if something like b3d supports live debugging process hooks or anything like that

[blissful pilot]

but if you turn on debug and run program when it encounters a MAV itll show you where and why

[oak dirge]

Oh well that's what I meant

[blissful pilot]

👍

its actually super handy

but don't delete lines

put ; infront of them if you want to disable

[oak dirge]

Ofc

[blissful pilot]

Ctrl + Z or Undo doesn't really exist in editing in b3d

or be like me and keep a hundred dozen backups

[oak dirge]

Been opening the bb files outside of b3d since it sucks

[blissful pilot]

I switch between

b3d can autofill my functions and has debug, but VS can find stuff among many .bb while b3d cannot

I might have found a fix for FastExt

if I rename all functions to their name"2" and then add that specific version of the function whereever needed, I should be able to use FastExt without screwing with other lines of code in 1.3.11

I like that method too, because it means 1.3.11 should work identical to how it does in v1.108 once we get Mavless Bin for 1.106, just with FastExt RenderTarget

which ultimately is the goal

the only hard part is figuring out which functions are for FastExt and which ones aren't

but that's where comparing to 1.2.4's code helps

The worst is when the game crashes, but the debuger doesn't tell you why

makes me feel like my code is so bad b3d is shaking its head

Blitz3D:

https://tenor.com/view/eyebleach-wtf-osomatsu-san-osomatsu-choromatsu-gif-747303098905210000

But I’ve able to get 1.3.11 running with all FastExt Libraries working under their name with a 2, but it still crashes when the monitor comes in sight, so still more investigating to be done

It’s likely there’s an area or two where the library isn’t implemented when it should be

[blissful pilot]

Got somewhat of good news for you guys

not flawless news; but tepidly good news

The Render Target functionality from v1.2.4 using FastExt now works in v1.3.11

If you want to try it yourself, here is the files although be warned the .exe is very buggy, still a lot of issues and bugs to iron out; it works in a very basic sense, I added the code to get it working, and that's it. I reccomend checking out the video it provides better visuals and info. Runtime will make it run 8x worse as of right now (again) this is something I plan to make better with time.

Here's the .exe and dll files

and the .exe does require the nvmeshash.b3d files and the removedinremix.jpg from 0.07 of the mod's GTX, only because it was designed to work with 0.0.7 of the mod

just keep that in mind

Actually I made a .zip folder that has everything needed if you want to try it, so throwing that into a vanilla v1.3.11 should work too

[stark lotus]

holy moly

we are so back

great work! I honestly admire your passion for this project

[blissful pilot]

It’s like nothing I’ve ever been passionate about before too, but I’m all for it

[oak dirge]

Can't wait for the smear

I woke up with the ick yesterday so haven't touched anything

[blissful pilot]

Like the blur effect?

It has two different names in game I think;

• Sanity Blur
• Dreamfilter
  I’m not sure which one is more correct, when your sanity gets really low you have the blur, 106, PD, 970, and 895 are all things that lower that. At least that’s what I’ve noticed in the code

[oak dirge]

Yes blur

And whatever happens when scp 173 is in your face

[blissful pilot]

I wanna see if that's able to be fixed as well

I've been working with one of the Devs of UER and UERM and he said FastExt essentially is a Dx8+ retranslator

so it should have more tools that are helpful

[blissful pilot]

Also, I might've fixed a lot of the lag

turns out FastText is really broken

FastText (not FastExt)

removing it had no change to the game, but made it run SO much better, even in debug mode

I'm gonna try with the 4GB patch and dxwrapper now. but yeah, I think FastText can be removed

[oak dirge]

Wonder if its from wrapper interaction or does it boost perf without wrapper

[blissful pilot]

wrapper almost always helps from what I've seen

the wrapper just cant be used with debug mode

same with 4GB patch

[oak dirge]

Interesting since it used to be the opposite.

[blissful pilot]

it all has to do with memory optimization

[oak dirge]

Glad to see wrapper isn't eating perf anymore

[blissful pilot]

it might eat performance when it comes to RTX remix, but not for Blitz3D games

[oak dirge]

Cb is so small wonder how it would run on a ramdisk lol

[blissful pilot]

keep in mind

• dxwrapper was made to make DX7 run better on newer hardware
• RTX remix was made for DX8/9 games
  while dxwrapper translates dx7 to dx9, RTX remix wasn't designed for dx7 wrapped games specifically

[oak dirge]

How even is vanilla cb perf on a modern system I don't think I've actually looked since I had a 60hz monitor last time

[blissful pilot]

No idea, its the seventh wonder of the world

[oak dirge]

Well you have one lol thought maybe you knew the fps

Like what fps are you getting with the changes now without rtx

[blissful pilot]

Yeah still runs not as great, but more FPS, less Lag, i'd say about 1/3 as many crashes as it was with FastText from last night

[blissful pilot]

this is about the same experiences I'd have with regular v1.3.11 with RTX from 0.0.7 of the mod

without the MAV at the end

[blissful pilot]

the thing that was laggy the most with FastText (unsurprisingly) was menus, anything with text. all of those have completely been fixed for lag now just by removing it

but I'm gonna try without RTX now

so 4GB patch, and dxwrapper only

[blissful pilot]

Yeah, wow

went through almost the whole game, LCZ to Exit1; if you didn't know better you'd say it's just vanilla 1.3.11, almost 60 fps throughout the whole thing. Dxwrapper and 4GB patch is OP as hell

there's a lot of MAVs that happen randomly which likely have to do with the missing Mavless bin modifications, so the next thing I wanna do is

• make a custom version of Mavless 1.108 without SetAppCompatData
• or make a custom 1.106 bin with the Mavless fixes and changes

either one of those, preferably the former if possible; should fix most of the current issues of using FastExt

[oak dirge]

Do you have decompiled 1.108

[oak dirge]

Is it locked to 60

[blissful pilot]

nah but I have this

[blissful pilot]

uh... probably I haven't played around with not doing that

I though CB was always locked to 60 or 70 no?

[oak dirge]

No

[blissful pilot]

oh, well I can probably do something about that then

[oak dirge]

I'll check when I get home I wanna see how high I can get it lmao

[blissful pilot]

Yea here

lemme send the new .exe without FastText

This; like the other one: can be thrown into a fresh install of v1.3.11 and it should work

has all the GTX, .dll, and .exe that's needed

plus dxwrapper of course

[blissful pilot]

Also I was just talking to Vain Brain

he mentioned that if we're using FastExt, we could probably do the 860 door effect again too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj05PNgF5N8

https://youtu.be/-uleBketdvA?si=w7khKjGEGRsIHQE6&t=231

this timestamp shows it better, its in v1.0

[oak dirge]

Idr the door effect will have to look

Vain Brain W

[blissful pilot]

by the way

Vain Brain had doubts that the SetAppCompatData and FastExt was only causing issues with ONLY windows 8 users; he said that he thought the door was broken on Windows 10 as well because that's when they added it, but I've found definitive proof of otherwise for the most part

Removed the "drawportal" from the door leading to SCP-860-1 to get rid of the crashes caused by it on certain computers.

that was released on May 14th 2015

Windows 10 wasn't released until july of the same year

so it had to be windows 7/8

https://tenor.com/view/there-you-have-it-boys-case-closed-the-simpsons-gif-13616870

Of course, FastExt otherwise would remain ingame for just under a year afterwards until it was removed in 1.3.1 in 2016, but There was still an awful a lot of people that would be using Windows 8. they made the switch from v1.106 FastExt to v1.108 no FastExt around the same time that people made the switch from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10. futhermore, they didn't have

• dxwrapper of course
• 4GB patch
• Juan's Mavless Modifications

[blissful pilot]

so its very possible that while on Windows 10/11 and considering those factors, FastExt works a hell of a lot better than it did for them back then when they deemed it too broken and "unstable" to continue using

Mind boggling

[blissful pilot]

Now I think about it, the MAV that happened at the end, happened when I quit, which I know what causes it, its the sound stream which is currently broken without the Mavless bin, but otherwise.. I haven't had a single MAV otherwise, besides running in RTX which I intend to tackle

I implore you guys to give it a try if you have the time, I WANT to be proven wrong so I can fix it XD

[languid raptor]

This game tries to Blt to the render target. That is very slow in d3d9 so I created a shadow surface to handle this. I write all the data from the render target to the shadow surface and then Blt to the shadow surface and then once all the Bltting is done I copy the whole shadow surface back to the render target. This makes the game run much faster, but could be causing the CopyRect issue. A better and faster way to do this is to draw the data to the render target instead. But that has a lot of technical issues and I haven't had a chance to really attempt it.

Anyways, I build a version that disables that shadow surface to see if it helps. Try this build and let me know how it works with SPC.

It will be very slow...

[blissful pilot]

wait, try this in the FastExt version? in the older engine?

like the one that actually uses Render Target, or CopyRect

Also, I can try it with or without RTX depending

[oak dirge]

couldn't we just fake that with remix anyway

[blissful pilot]

I have no idea how we could, it would require rewritting code to make the door open

in v1.3.11 it just teleports you to 860-1, no door opening

[oak dirge]

forgot about that

[blissful pilot]

Here's my results

At least, thats with the version with Render Target and FastExt, both with and Without RTX, both pretty sluggish; 17-20 fps. and RTX is uhh.. very broken lol

[oak dirge]

navmash.b3d not found when I tried launching

[blissful pilot]

You'll need the files inside GTX from here^

wait

it says navmesh.b3d not found? or nvhash.b3d?

[blissful pilot]

ah ok

[oak dirge]

that's after copying the above btw

wait it says gtx

that's why

[blissful pilot]

OMG lol

[oak dirge]

folder typo in da zip

[blissful pilot]

I did it again

I'll fix that lmoa

I've done that before too

[oak dirge]

didn't even think cause it still asked to overrwrite'

[blissful pilot]

boom

GFX fixed

[blissful pilot]

ikr

[oak dirge]

when I pause and quit I get mav is that normal

[languid raptor]

OK, thanks! It is hard for me to second guess what RTX is doing. I am not quite sure what I can do to help at this point.

BTW: I am also not able to keep up on everything in this thread.

[blissful pilot]

That's ok! yeah we've been trying to get Render Target working in an older engine version, now I'm just trying to iron out performance issues regarding other things the older engine would do

That's about where we are

I could try the dxwrapper in the older version in the newer engine if you'd like

just to see if it fixes the CopyRect thingy

[languid raptor]

Performance would be much better if I can draw directly to the render target rather than using a shadow surface. That's probably the best way to improve performance.

[blissful pilot]

lemme try the shadow surface with 0.0.7 just to see if it works or not, maybe if we hit a dead end with the older engine it'll be a plan b

if it works

[languid raptor]

Oh, I can also build a performance analyzer build for you. It will log all the significant calls and you can see which ones are slowest.

[blissful pilot]

That would be awesome, I imagine more useful to you; although I could use it between the versions that have SetAppCompatData and which ones don't

[oak dirge]

so rn if you change dlss settings in game then walk up to a monitor you mav

so don't touch dlss after you get in

[languid raptor]

Here is a build of the latest dxwrapper with the profiling enabled. It will log a LOT of stuff. It will show timings on virtually everything significant.

Usually I try and find a frame (entries between a BeginScene and EndScene) and then look at all the calls. This makes it easier to see what the issue might be. Make sure to pick a frame where the timing is average, not too slow or too fast as you don't want to look at an outlier.

[blissful pilot]

should I use Saved games to do to do it?

[languid raptor]

Actually, I take that back. I don't log Begin and End scene. Instead look for the Present. A frame is from one Present to anther.

You can do a Saved game or not. Just any place were you want to troubleshot any slowdowns.

This is just a performance logger.

[blissful pilot]

alrighty

[blissful pilot]

uh oh, theres apparently a tornado warning in my area lol

[formal sierra]

🫡

bye

jk

dont die

[blissful pilot]

I'm more worried about my computron lol

that would be a lotta data to lose

I'm a data hoarder, for good reasons

[blissful pilot]

Christ.. I might have to come back to the open 860 door thing

I've been trying all day to get it working, and I just can't I can't even find the code in v1.0.6 that opens the door rather than just teleporting the player, I've gone as far to literally copy and replace all room860 code from v1.0.6 to v1.3.11 and it only breaks the forest more and more, never changing the door opening, despite being aptly named for room860 instead of the forest

but, its frustrating to spend all day trying, and have nothing to show for it.. so I might come back to it later, for now.. i'm not going to bother with it. it's not in v.1.3.11 anyways

maybe once we get FastExt working a little bit better, and assuming it sticks around. maybe we can come back or consider adding it then

But for now, the monitors is more of a staple, and seeing as that's working, I'm gonna focus on optomizing that, and trying to get it into v0.0.8 of the mod

[oak dirge]

Yeah let's hold off on 860 till we get the core ironed out

Wonder why changing dlss breaks the monitors though

Unless your more stable recent changes fixed that

[oak dirge]

Time to start your offsite NAS

[blissful pilot]

use to have one forever ago

also, I have news... not great news

FastExt doesn't look to preform as well on Steam Deck

I'm still going to look into building a modified version of the engine to help it prevent MAVs, and try to do some more digging on what makes v.1.106 more unstable than Juan600's Mavless v1.108

[north topaz]

FastExt?

[blissful pilot]

FastExt yea

[north topaz]

What is that

[blissful pilot]

its a library for Blitz3D to add more features, most notably it adds the ability to render from a camera to a texture (Render Target) without it, the game relies on CopyRect which completely breaks in RTX Remix

so I've been working at back porting the new version of the game to the older version of the engine to use the lib

[north topaz]

Ah, will note: the latest runtime decreased performance even more on Steam Deck so that might also contribute

[blissful pilot]

?

[north topaz]

Steam Deck performance just keeps going down

[blissful pilot]

its likely because of FastExt, it was a MAV

one of the biggest issues older versions of b3d and supposedly Fast Libraries holds is MAVs (Memory Access Violations)

it only really happens with this game, in this engine

[north topaz]

[blissful pilot]

I really hope it gets better by modifying the engine, because if it doesn't I really don't know how Render Target could be implemented or fixed

unless I were to write a .dll myself but that seems far too easier said than done

[north topaz]

Average day for Xoxor, lol

[blissful pilot]

Yeah i've spent so many days working hours on end with ending the day with nothing to show for it; I think that's why I never pursued computer programming of any kind in the past

[blissful pilot]

Basically what happened

[north topaz]

[blissful pilot]

Update: I ran v1.3.11 on v1.106 of Blitz3D without FastExt and noticed that it shared a lot of the same issues as the version I made with FastExt, Sounds failing to load, texture flickering, lag, low FPS.

So as a test, I compiled the same thing in v1.108 without Juan’s Mavless changes to the engine, again, no FastExt

Same issues

Which aligns with what I thought, SetAppCompatData was the only notable change in the changelog so the results should be the same

This also means the performance difference between v1.3.11 and what we have with FastExt, is likely the changes made by Juan to the engine in v1.108

So I’m gonna spend the next little bit to port those changes over and compile my own Blitz3D engine, but with compatibility for FastExt of course

It’ll be hard, and take a lot of time. But I think it’ll be worth it if done

Right now, sounds failing to load is causing the most lag, they implemented new code into the engine in that fix that changed the way sounds were loaded, without it, sounds don’t load, fail to load, continuously try to load, or load twice

It what’s using up the most memory, and thus causing lag

[oak dirge]

I'm used to spending 8 hours a day programming and researching and it gets frustrating until you hit that breakthrough. It's like crack though

[formal sierra]

https://soundrangers.sourceaudio.com/album/1853971?o=title&d=a&show=50&pg=1

was browsing through some soundrangers and found a lot of the CB door sounds lol

i was hoping they wouldn't sound so compressed, if that makes sense, but they sound pretty much the same

idk if this is useful to you, but here it is

for example, machine parts lock big XX

mechanical crude moving parts 10 for the 914 doors

they have a really good sound library ngl

and for free mostly as well

for metal footsteps: footstep single metal metal 02

[blissful pilot]

It is useful

I’ll document it when I can

I’ve been busy with compiling b3d I’ve successfully done it, but there’s complications I gotta resolve

At least it compiles somewhat tho

[blissful pilot]

Eh

For me it’s like meth

I feel and look awful doing it

[formal sierra]

omg

im finally done with all of the rooms

[blissful pilot]

I'm so close... and yet... still missing one piece

while I'm waiting for someone to answer or give me answer on it

heres my update

I've taught myself how to compile Juan's Mavless Blitz3D in VS 2015, when I first started it was at 175 errors and 48 warnings, over many hours, I've corrected them, typos, file paths, and I narrowed it down to 0 errors and 0 warnings; there was a lot of really weird changes that Juan put into the source code for the engine that I don't think actually made it into v1.3.11, for example, most lines in v1.3.11 have If statements, and some of these end with EndIf Juan put a requirement in the latest MAVless source code to REQUIRE a Then after every If essentially forcing anyone working on v1.3.11's source code to have to rewrite those lines, its been said he did changes like that for quality of life of coding, to make the syntax more consistent, strict, and hardcoded. ... Instead I installed an older version of Mavless source code, where it was moved to VS 2015, so I don't have to touch MSVS 6.0, but after he added some fixes, this is actually the Mavless bin most people use for modding, and probably is the most stable overall. I then removed SetAppCompatData and am ready to build.

Here's the current problem I realized that when I build, it builds all the files for /bin/ except Runtime.dll which is the most important, that's where the errorlog function and SetAppCompatData is stored, for several hours I kept building and tweaking trying to get it to work, while placing the built results in with v1.108, and I was baffled how FastExt refused to work even when removing large chunks of code, eventually I found out that the Runtime.dll file never built alongside the other files, and that's what I'm trying to figure out now, why?

once I do, and once that .dll is exported, we should have the best version of the engine for our use case (theoretically)

I'm trying to message anyone I can to get an answer, because I'm so fricking close

[formal sierra]

i would kill myself (digitally) if i had that many explorer windows open

[blissful pilot]

I've been a busy man lol

[formal sierra]

my god is that inconsistent line endings thing something that irks me

like github desktop its ok i know 😭

[north topaz]

My RAM would kill itself

[formal sierra]

i have 403 tabs open

at this point its a collection

[north topaz]

Alright, get to the stake, we’re burning today

[formal sierra]

😭

[blissful pilot]

I have the ram to back it

sometimes ill have premire pro, RTX Remix, photoshop (with 8K textures of PSBs) and all my chrome tabs at once

[north topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-all-insane-mad-charles-michael-davis-zane-anders-younger-gif-14781137

[formal sierra]

same lol

32 gigs actually does everything i need tbh

[blissful pilot]

Hey I already knew that, I wouldn't be sitting here up for 32 hours if I wasn't lol

[formal sierra]

32 hours is crazy

taking 6.4 five hour energies is even crazier

[blissful pilot]

why am I getting errors now tfff

[formal sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-gif-6891886407904187638

wheres the fix button

wheres the triple A button

wheres the remaster textures button

[blissful pilot]

insanity

[formal sierra]

maybe ask bonzibuddy

https://tenor.com/view/bonzi-buddy-bonzi-buddy-laughing-laughing-hysterically-gif-23177098

[blissful pilot]

this is so frustrating

it always refuses to link at least one file, that is always present

[formal sierra]

any progress

[blissful pilot]

Nah I had to work my day job, just got off work now? But I have an idea for what I can try next

I’ll keep you guys posted of course

[formal sierra]

maybe try an ancient version of VS

[blissful pilot]

It’s easier said than done

[formal sierra]

i saw in one of the videos that one of the libraries was from like 1999 right?

[blissful pilot]

Yeah MSVS 6.0 is from 1998

It’s not even that it’s hard to use, it’s just unrecognizable

[formal sierra]

yeah very different from what we're used to

is it even runnable on modern windows lol

or is compatibility mode that fire

[blissful pilot]

What is it?

[blissful pilot]

Yes. But it takes a lot of acrobatics to install

It took me 2.5 hours just to install if I recall

[formal sierra]

idk i just searched up MSVS and thats what showed up lmao

[formal sierra]

bruh

[blissful pilot]

Thats more like it

[formal sierra]

hes free

made it to the end of shift

now able to touch grass

[blissful pilot]

he escaped the site

and the breach

and now, can star in Last of Us

[formal sierra]

bro have you watched the show

[blissful pilot]

nope

[formal sierra]

good

[blissful pilot]

haven't played the games either

although I know what you're refering to

I feel bad for anyone who legitmately liked the characters from the game

they butchered it :(

[formal sierra]

ik and i was so excited to watch it too D:

[blissful pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/my-boy-massacred-godfather-marlan-brando-look-gif-13993325

[formal sierra]

at least the set design is decent

[blissful pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/tlouhq-the-last-of-us-tlou-o-ultimo-de-nos-riley-gif-27360638

this gif pretty much sums it up

[formal sierra]

took me a minute to find but

even worse 😭

[oak dirge]

So VS doesnt even log why it won't compile runtime.dll?

[vague spindle]

lol

[blissful pilot]

It gives me an error why, that’s about it

It’ll give me warnings too, but these warnings are mostly about it being outdated which is fine

[blissful pilot]

I did it

I finally.. figured. it out

it literally took 3 days

but I now know how to compile blitz3d

I hope properly

but runtime.dll finally exports, and works. blitz3d is able to open, and even load v1.3.11

the game doesn't work with Fastext (yet.) its not producing any errors but the launcher crashes, and now I gotta troubleshoot and narrow down what other changes juan added affects FastExt, and work my way backwards from that

now that I'm able to successfully compile the engine though, only a few more steps

its easier to troubleshoot and try new things

I plan to also make a video with what I learned, and make a much needed and better instructions readme for building blitz3d, because no offense to Mark (May he rest in peace), or Juan, but their instructions generally sucked ass and were vague

I mean it took me 3 days to figure this crap out

thats proof of it

anyhow

thats my update

I'm gonna stop here for the night (morning technically) and hit the hay. gotta sleep at some point right?

here's a video of what it does when you try running it with fastext rn

[formal sierra]

IM SO PROUD

[blissful pilot]

Now I get to customize the engine to my liking now that it works

Well, and find out about FastExt of course

BlitzBasic.com doesn’t exist any longer so there’s a line in the credits just for that and I’m replacing it to my social media for more info on the mod and my 3D work

I’m also putting a tribute to Mark (Rest in peace)

That’s about all I wanna change tho, I wasn’t going to change anything, but I had to rule out if FastExt is hardcoded to only accept blitz3D v1.106

And it’s not, changing the version had the same result

[blissful pilot]

I still have to do this, but once the engine is good to go I’ll focus more on that and textures

I wanna make a trailer and such

Furthermore, I haven’t discussed this yet because again; I wanted to finish with the engine first, but I’d like to submit the mod if we can to the contest, obviously we need to do a few things before we can, but for now I’d like you guys to talk about or think about who wants to be included in that

There’s a lot of people on this chat, but I’d say only a handful actually put good work towards the mod, some people aren’t even on this chat and have lol

I’m not too picky with who though, I’m more concerned about

• if we ended up winning anyhow how the funds would be distributed,
• and what percentage of the funds would go to who.
  just another good thing to talk about before/if we submit it

We have time though

[blissful pilot]

I shouldn’t say “good work” and just say “work” in general, every bit has counted but some were just here to talk about the mod or run the mod is more what I meant

There’s also the people who started the chat from the very beginning, but aren’t as present these days

The stuff they did id like to think was still beneficial to maybe Kuro and Jevediah when first starting, but you guys would have to tell me, I wasn’t here yet :)

[formal sierra]

competition? wha

oh nvm it wasnt in my channels

oh damn thats a lot of money lol

[oak dirge]

You've done the vast majority of the actual remastering work and now compatibility. Definitely have a lot more time and dedication in the project as well as overall experience. To the point where I've just deferred to you. At this point if we went in I'm not sure what i could even provide.

[formal sierra]

emotional support 🥺

thats what you could provide

[blissful pilot]

I’ve had help though, without at least you, and @stark lotus I likely wouldn’t have gone this far myself, there’s many other people like Itzslain that helped me, but he’s not on this channel (he helped me with learning BlitzBasic) but @oak dirge and @stark lotus really helped me with sourcing images and textures, there’s probably a few other things but you guys definitely had a bigger part to play

[formal sierra]

itzslain is chill af

[blissful pilot]

He’s awesome, couldn’t have done it without him for sure

[blissful pilot]

Found a higher resolution version of the Blitz3D logo

And remastered it using my own tools to a even higher resolution

Then made an alpha channel for it

[oak dirge]

Uncompressed masterpiece

[blissful pilot]

the low res one bothered me too much

even TSS uses it

[formal sierra]

pls don't go and RTX the entire engine too 😭

[blissful pilot]

nah, just making the version of this engine (if ever distributed) look presentable, thats all

small changes, I'm gonna look at FastExt shortly here tho

[formal sierra]

yeah no need to lie
im gonna see: "added a special compositor effect to the script editor in blitz3d that makes each text character 3D and uses ray tracing to simulate light"

[blissful pilot]

each character is displayed as vector instead of raster

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[formal sierra]

Blitz3D rtx edition would go so crazy

you get the full suite of RTX

[oak dirge]

Someone did made a ray traced renderer in blitz3d

[formal sierra]

WHAT

[oak dirge]

https://youtu.be/o2xXEX_N3jI?si=oAlsR58Djb9txoq4

Who needs remix anyway

[formal sierra]

yeah just scrap using rtx remix when all you need is blitz3d

but ngl i feel like the core concept of ray tracing is easy to establish

its just that you need to make sure everything performs well and works with glass and stuff lol

[blissful pilot]

This took way longer than it should have😂

at least it looks pretty

[formal sierra]

wheres the ray tracing man 👿

unacceptable work

jk, i like the logo with your pfp on there a lot for some reason

could you at least RTXify the old ass tool icons at the top

[blissful pilot]

its basically just a modified version of b3d I didn't do a lot of work into it, but eh

if anyone wants to also use FastExt with newer versions of the game, maybe they'll use this one

[formal sierra]

there you go i've saved the day

[formal sierra]

also sure, but you took you a shit ton of time to compile and thats work

[blissful pilot]

true, but I largely just think thats because Juan and Mark suck at making instructions

[formal sierra]

btw, does the game run normally with the custom engine?

like not with FastExt or any other modifications

[blissful pilot]

they said to put the dx7 sdk in a folder "in the same directory as blitz3d" but they didn't specifiy what to name the folder, depending on the version of b3d source code, it could be dxsdk DX7 or dx7sdk and "same directory as blitz3d" is also very vague, theres a blitz3d folder inside the source code main folder, a blitz3d solution file, project file, theres a folder where blitz3d.exe will be exported which is different than the bin folder where the other dll files export but not blitz3d!

just to name one of many things of bullshit I had to figure out along the way

by the way, they wanted fmod, fastimage, and dx7 sdk folders next to the source code folder in the parent directory of the solution :)

[formal sierra]

you're telling me there wasn't a giant green button on your screen that said "compile and add fastext later" 🥺

[blissful pilot]

to make it more confusing, I asked TSS devs, their engine instead puts fmod and fastimage inside the source code folder instead

[formal sierra]

wait could you use fmod studio or does that not work with the old ass SDK used

[blissful pilot]

Yes, v1.3.11 does

none of the other ones pre 1.3 would, because.. FMOD and the updated sound stuff, but it does run

FastExt looks to run.. based off a few tests, its just something causes it to crash at launch

If I try running an older version like 1.2.4 itll load and run just until it hits an error regarding fmod or the new sound

but.. key word, it has no problem with fastext

[blissful pilot]

I should be able to.. and I want to

actually FMOD, the new sound, and Bump mapping, and error logs are the four things I want to keep with it if I can

I'm gonna try removing bump mapping now to see if it helps fastext we'll see

[formal sierra]

YAY :D

im not technical at all but fmod studio is fucking awesome

[blissful pilot]

It'll be really good to have

keep in mind, the only reason 1.3.11 was unstable in 1.106 of b3d with fastext.. was because of the sound :)

[formal sierra]

its awesome the things you can do it with it... im not sure how hard it will be to implement into blitz3d, with fmod studio and all that, but its definitely worth it

in Unity, you can occlude sound based on geometry, play sounds when an item hits the floor, etc

im not sure how much you want to remaster, if its just textures, models, and sounds, or more

[blissful pilot]

a little bit of everything, mainly textures and models

for some of the sounds I want to remaster seeing as we already have some of the sources for audio

[formal sierra]

im still so stoked for when the human model is completely done and shown in all its glory lmao

FINGERS

[blissful pilot]

This is the last I'm doing of the html side of it for at least this week because this takes way too long and isnt as important lmao

but heres the credits I quickly made

[formal sierra]

xtrithx my beloved 😭

looks cool af

i like the purple

[blissful pilot]

#9909FF 👌

It’s the Hex code I came up with years ago for Inward related stuff

It’s easier to remember

[formal sierra]

thats smart but i have dementia so any hex codes i need to remember i don't remember :D

microsoft powertoys is awesome tho i can just do Windows+C and get the hex code of any given pixel

like boom one pixel on the roof of that house icon is #440404

[blissful pilot]

My cats shut my PC down while I was outta the room 😭

I don’t think I lost any progress but bruh

[formal sierra]

oh my god the curse of CB remakes never getting finished got reincarnated as your cats

watch your back they might shank you one day

[blissful pilot]

Uh

I might have to remove the bump mapping anyhow

This is how the game looks with it turned on lol

And turned off

Everything else seems to work

Except

Grrrrrr

At least while I have control of both the engine and game I could figure it out at some point

Still aggravating tho, because this is vanilla v1.3.11 with what should be the exact same stuff used to compile it

Except for setcompatdata

That gives me an idea tho

[formal sierra]

say yolo and delete Main.bb

maybe it'll become like 079

you never know

[blissful pilot]

I'm not so worried about the bump mapping for three reasons

• most don't even have it turned on or notice
• its kinda faking the bumpmapping rather than actually having traditional normals like what FastExt does
• we're technically adding it back in via RTX remix anyhow

ultimately, if it comes down to having a tradeoff of Juan's bumpmapping for the Render Target monitors, and it works well, no lag or preformance issues.. im taking it

[blissful pilot]

Alright Tex LOD and bumpmapping removed

lets see if it changes much

nah still nothing

although its interesting, if I throw in the DLL of FastExt into fresh install of v1.3.11 source code, still doesn't work if I go Include Fastext.bb which tells me its definitely a change made to the engine because it did work with 1.106 even on v1.3.11

[formal sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzENfJKeSX8

heres the 096 chase music if you're planning to remaster things like that btw

i believe this classic animated horror stories song is also used for some of the horror stingers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP9igWiQOA8&list=PLBO2h-GzDvIb2OKDbVBr5Dwv5M9zRHD5X&index=17

[blissful pilot]

No way

That means we have all SFX related to 096 now

[formal sierra]

YAY

wait you already have the screams and crying?

is it in the archive

[blissful pilot]

There was a time that we didn’t know where pic3, femur breaker, and 096 sounds were or where they came from

And now we have the sources for all of them

[blissful pilot]

Yeah I have em, found the earliest one from I think it was 2006 or 2008

[formal sierra]

wheres the screaming SFX?

ive always wanted to hear the full thing in all its uncompressed glory

[blissful pilot]

Damn I know I have a link for it somewhere

The one I found, the oldest is paid; I didn’t buy it at the time because I wasn’t very liquid, although I totally could now I just gotta find the link

In short though, it’s been used in lots of places, it’s been used in Invincible, in Silent Hill, and other things of media

In SCP:CB the scream is played, and then reversed with reverb

A lot of the crying and screams from femur breaker come from Freesound, and those I do have and I think already archived

Femur breaker specifically just mixes those freesound screams with ItsDuke voice lines

We also have raw recordings from him too

[formal sierra]

oh thats why theres a folder for him in the archive?

fuck yeah

i always get DukeLovesYou and ItsDuke confused lmao

actually now i don't even know if they are the same person or not

[blissful pilot]

ikr

[blissful pilot]

they're not

[formal sierra]

oh alr

[blissful pilot]

Damnit it really bugs me that I cant find that link

I know i have it somewhere, Discords searching really sucks

I'll do more looking

heres what I can show ya tho

This was a reconstruction I did of the Femur Breaker using the original sounds, I went back and looked, we're only missing two, a crying/wimpering heard at the start, and the heavy breathing, the one used here is from a cleaned up version someone else did, besides that its ItsDukes voicelines and the sounds come from a freesound collection, all of them have been accurately placed but unaltered in this recreation

There's one more step I wanna do to make it even clearer but itll have to be done later on

these are the original screams and sounds used in Femur breaker

They all come from this freesound page

https://freesound.org/people/RutgerMuller/packs/6623/
https://freesound.org/people/acclivity/sounds/27451/

All of ItsDuke's voicelines and raw recordings can be found here too

https://soundcloud.com/itsduke/scp-cb-bits-bobs

they're pretty neat to hear

the one's used in Femur Breaker are from "106 session"

I was also able to find the crying used for 096 too, this also comes from free sound

https://freesound.org/people/qubodup/sounds/200428/

Aha! I found them

finally

The original sources for 096 Screams
https://www.audiomicro.com/scream-male-man-scream-male-pain-burning-panic-fear-terror-human-voice-sound-effects-98716
https://www.audiomicro.com/scream-male-man-scream-male-pain-fear-terror-human-voice-sound-effects-98712
https://www.audiomicro.com/scream-male-man-scream-male-long-walking-on-hot-coals-fear-terror-human-voice-sound-effects-98717

Dated 2009

and I bought em just now too to have the highest quality for the archive

Here they are if you want to hear them

@formal sierra

[formal sierra]

holy moly guacamole

also i know Discord's search system is really fucking terrible sometimes lmao

[blissful pilot]

its possible this is the only place I sent them

maybe I just need to spend a day archiving it all and sending it to as many people as I can

another good reason to get started on youtube docs

I wanna start getting up earlier, waking up at 1pm and going to bed at 3am isn't productive and I wanna get to most outta my day to get more done

[formal sierra]

3 am is crazy lol

idk why but when i get up by at least 5 AM i feel like one day is two days

[blissful pilot]

right??

if I go to bed at midnight, but wake up at 5 or 5:30 I feel like shit for the first two minutes of waking up, but after that Im well rested and generally feel more human and lucid

I work better

Ultimately the biggest challenge or problem has been my long standing addiction with caffeine and stimulants; its a battle I've been fighting my entire life

that may sound like a joke, but its surely not. my parents decided to give me stuff like Coke (the beverage) as a baby. I've been consuming caffeine my entire life, haven't gone a day without, and ontop of that I have ADHD and take meds which also act as stimulants.

both have been good for my work-aholic nature, I do so much more than others, people say Its just luck that got me to where I am with my skills, with 3D modelling, animation, texturing, and now game development.. it was just my obsession with doing stuff

[formal sierra]

damn thats a terrible combo, im sorry :(

[blissful pilot]

nah its alright

sometimes I wonder why I'm not dead tho

at one point, this is the most extreme its been, I had 19 energy drinks in the span of just under 5 hours, ontop of taking meds, I stopped at 19 because for whatever reason, without touching anything like my chest, by standing still; I could hear my hear beat. like HEAR it

[formal sierra]

HOLY SHIT

[blissful pilot]

at that point I did the math too, given my body mass and weight, I'd have to consume over 60 in less than 24 hours for it to be lethal

so I didn't get nearly as close but still

[formal sierra]

i've never been too big on anything caffeine, since its effects are pretty extreme on me even in small doses

[formal sierra]

bro started doing math to see at what point he'd get a fuckin heart attack 😭

[blissful pilot]

What makes it even scarier is that my family has had a history of men dying before the age of 40 by heart related failures, the last generation or so are the only ones to have not

its actually interesting, because my father was probably the most unhealthy in the entire bloodline so far, and is the only one besides his father to live past 40

[formal sierra]

is drinking anything caffeinated just like compulsory?

[blissful pilot]

by law?

[formal sierra]

sorry, meant compulsive lol

[blissful pilot]

op

I mean... kinda but also no

its more because I know what happens if I don't

the easiest way to cure an addiction is to stop it from ever starting

regardless of the steps taken after quiting withdrawal can be a pita, and more than that, with me having it basically my entire life, I get almost depressed when I'm fully off it, it just feels.. off. the world feel much duller than before

[fading fractal]

could be a genetic heart defect rather than lifestyle contributing to it

[blissful pilot]

This is true

older generations also had a lot more going on

I mean my grandfather would've lived through the time of Leaded Gasoline, so even though hes lived passed 40 he's had to take several medication since he was 40. my dad has not had to

so theres likely many other factors at play of why

my father actually treats it like a form of destiny, waiting till the day he kicks the bucket just because men before him have

me? I don't see it as set in stone

it definitely can happen, but I honestly take pride in trying to enjoy life even if its short than spend more time that I would like to ensuring I live the longest.

That's always been my outlook on life

Alright now I'm gonna get back to coding, last night there was two things I wanted to try that might fix fastext and the sound

[formal sierra]

thats fair, but if that outlook/mindset is contributing to unhealthy habits i still would be really careful

i don't remember exactly who it was in my family (i don't know them at all), but they had hypertension and were constantly drinking upwards to 800mg of caffeine lol

[blissful pilot]

mine is probably anywhere from 300-500mg

[formal sierra]

and so that led to just a bit of kidney failure 😬

[blissful pilot]

I imagine I'm gonna deal with kidney stones later in life

[fading fractal]

if you can afford it, please get your heart checked out

i had mine checked a long time ago, and i did end up having a deformity

[formal sierra]

↑

[blissful pilot]

I got an ECG a while ago

they said it was abnormally normal if I remember

[fading fractal]

ECG isn't really what i mean

i think mine was an ultrasound

basically imagery of your heart is what i mean

[blissful pilot]

hm ill look into it if I can

I live in Canada so, its a lot easier to get stuff like that; at least I think so

also

for the mod and coding related stuff

I've noticed Juan added (int) into a lot of lines for textures for bump mapping

its a small change, but I wonder if the DLL for FastExt is hardcoded to only work with the line as is, and those changes are what affects it

regardless, I'm going to work my way backwards removing changes Juan made until I have just 1.106 basically, and then see if FastExt works somewhere along the way

then start adding those fixes back in, and see what breaks it and what doesn'

[formal sierra]

and FastExt isn't open source right?

[blissful pilot]

nope

otherwise this would've been done long ago

[formal sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-america-usa-im-sorry-i-cant-hear-you-over-the-sound-of-my-freedom-gif-9521927

(THIS IS A JOKE I'D PREFER TO LIVE IN CANADA)

[blissful pilot]

its kinda interesting because I'm not patriotic at all

[fading fractal]

canada is my #1 goal for moving right now

[blissful pilot]

my fiancé has a history of indigenous background, and I'm convinced that both Canada and the U.S. aren't as great as people are lead to believe

[formal sierra]

no point, the government isn't all that great anyway :P

[fading fractal]

the US def sucks

[blissful pilot]

I'm of the belief that regardless of where you are in the world, the world is what sucks. not he country or nation

some are definitely worse than others though

[fading fractal]

just looking at canada because i wouldn't be targeted for all kinds of shit

not as much at least

[blissful pilot]

the US has always been, since Columbus stepped foot on it, a never-ending goldrush in search of something that was never there to begin with.

thats the best way I can explain the US, and the idea of the American dream

[formal sierra]

have you heard about the pledge of allegiance you have to do in US schools lol

its like a patriotic prayer of sorts

its weird af

[blissful pilot]

You should look into the history of Guantanamo Bay

that single reason is the only reason I don't respect Trump

not to say I support him for the other reasons.... but that one reason is the one that is unarguable, and clear when you look at it

[formal sierra]

let me guess before i even search up anything.. something immigrant related

[blissful pilot]

There's a line from the matrix; where Agent Smith says the matrix is modeled off of "The peak of your civilization" the matrix in the movie is set to take place in 1999

its one of the most interesting things to me

to think about what happened in 2001, 2004, 2008, and onwards. maybe 1999 was

[formal sierra]

of course it was lmao

[formal sierra]

a lot of big things happened in 1999, so maybe it was

idk i wasn't born early enough to see it

[fading fractal]

like 90% of what he does can't be argued with tbh unless you're just completely out of touch with reality

[blissful pilot]

well .. argued it can be, argued with factual info is a different story

some people are just really stupid and good at gaslighting, lying, and talking more confidently over other people smh

[fading fractal]

yeah that's what i meant lol

[blissful pilot]

its depressing to know thats what politics turned into

remember when candidates use to interview each other and shake hands??

it feels like I haven't seen that since Obama

[formal sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlNknIJVDzE

[blissful pilot]

its so strange

[formal sierra]

impossible nowadays

[blissful pilot]

I was going to say earlier; no matter where you go in the world, the world you land in will always be horrible to some extent, because its made by humans. Nature has never seen a force so destructive as mankind before; Man isn't the one who opened pandora's box, they are the one's that created it.

[fading fractal]

well, it's always really nice when i find out for sure the people i talk to often aren't insane

so ty for that guys 😛

[blissful pilot]

Oh I’m definitely insane. I just don’t have a bent moral compass and more than anything; unlike the average Trump supporter or radical anything; I’m able to question things and take a moment to think about something I disagree with rather than reject it on sight

A lot of people can’t do that, even with Trump, they’ll reach the same conclusion either way, but when you actually look into why you disagree with something or look into the details of it; you understand it way more than anyone who just takes it at face value

I think the reason I am the way I am, is because for a while (not anymore for obvious reasons 🤡) but for a period of time, my dad was Trump supporter, while my Fiancé is very liberal, left-winged politically, having both of those made me have a greater respect for certain areas of both and a better understanding of them both, where they both are right, wrong, where they both succeed or cause more problems than they solve

[formal sierra]

i gotta one up you and say that: trump supporter is much better than having a father who believes that 9/11 was actually just holograms 😬

[fading fractal]

you say that as if there isn't a huge overlap lol

[formal sierra]

he hates Trump

[fading fractal]

i'm def very left leaning for all kinds of reasons

[fading fractal]

well that's good. i think that'd be the first 9/11 conspiracy theorist i've heard of that's like that

[blissful pilot]

Ultimately the biggest problem society has to solve is being able to have a conversation, being able to disagree with someone at still hear them to communicate;

-don’t care what the color of your skin is, I don’t care what religion you believe in, I don’t care where you’ve come from, or where you are now. All I care about; is who you are now, and whether or not, you are free to be able to discover that. Because if we ever are to become more than we are now, we have to at least on the most basic level; respect one another.

That’s the biggest problem with society, everything else to me comes second

[fading fractal]

for the vast majority of people i know, the only reason we can't level is because the far right wants a large group of people to essentially have no rights. that's not really something you can just... respect, or have a decent conversation about. especially if you are one of those people

still though, i have tried

they're very irrational

[blissful pilot]

It’s also very irrational

[fading fractal]

each conversation is filled will all kinds of manipulation tactics so it makes it especially hard to navigate

[formal sierra]

logical fallacies go crazy

[fading fractal]

yus

[blissful pilot]

One of the biggest things I realized recently is that removing the accessibility of abortion to those who needs it; oversteps and disregards a woman’s bodily autonomy for the rights of the unborn.

I can come to understand (even while being a man) why most women get irritated when a man presents any argument against abortion, because it’s basically a man respecting the rights of something that isn’t born yet over a woman’s right to her own body

That’s also why I mentioned Guantanamo Bay earlier

It throws human rights out the window when you look into it

Here’s another one y’all probably don’t know; but the reason why what happened to the Native Americans was so horrible and a bad deal for them is not the reasons you may think; Their culture relied heavily on living and moving with where resources were, if it got to cold, they moved, to hot, they moved, if there wasn’t enough food in the area they moved to another location; they simply moved and lived in the path of nature and its resources, land ownership was a concept they simply weren’t interested in, it wasn’t about finding a place to settle down, it was simply about living. By putting them on a reserve of any kind, a set location of any kind. The damage was already done, and they could not live the way they always had.

It’s what I tell people whenever people go as so far to say the indigenous “owned” the land before us, they didn’t, but they didn’t want it to be owned, and it wasn’t ours to begin with either

With that, I’m gonna go back on working on the mod lmao

[fading fractal]

yeah. heavy topic lol

but it was nice talking about it

[blissful pilot]

I always enjoy talking about it, even when I talked with my father, hearing what I disagreed with from someone who passionately agreed with it only made me more firm and knowledgeable about why I disagreed with it

To be open-minded; is to be able to become better and grow as an individual and furthermore when enough people do it, as a collective society.

[blissful pilot]

Gosh this is tedious

but its kinda the only sure way to know or find out the cause

speaking of which though, incase FastExt doesn't end up working, I did think of another workaround we could do

or if FastExt makes the game run like ass somehow

its basically to turn render target monitors to work the same way all the other monitors from room2sl work, where they have a series of textures they switch between to make the camera seem like its turning or changing, we'd just need to do a hell of a lot more of those. and they would need to be updated to every change made in those rooms hence why its a last resort.

Also lock rooms wouldn't work, unless we did a check for whether 173 is in that room, but even then. everything else like NTF entering lockrooms, or where 173 is in the room would be off..

the other solution is to remove those monitors, and only keep it for the start room, 895, and 106's chamber, as those are the only places where its absolutely needed and where the enviroment doesn't change much.

that being said, you can kinda understand why these solutions aren't ideal, and why I've spend so much time to do actual render target

plus render target would make us able to add the 860 door effect

this is the only issue we'd have to fix, but otherwise its just finding a way to implement it.

[formal sierra]

shoot thats cool af

[blissful pilot]

I know thats why I'd like to really add it back in if I can

it was removed right before the switch between windows 8 to windows 10, so I'm almost sure of it that it would work fine if reimplimented, it would just have to be rewritten to remove the bug fixes after v1.0.6 relating to 860

It feels like I've gone through like 90% of files replacing with 1.106 files to revert changes and still fastext don't work

at least it still builds and compiles

I haven't gone through all of them tho

[formal sierra]

is there any way to decompile extensions for Blitz3D?

like obviously theres ways to decompile .dll files but idk

cause like you said, it could be hardcoded

oh, and by the way, if the FastExt you're talking about is this one, the author is actually still active lol

when @oak dirge linked that ray tracing in Blitz3D, it was the same author as FastExt, and they're still uploading videos

wait nvm i saw hes not the actual original author, but he might have some knowledge
https://i.imgur.com/wmLqBtI.png

[blissful pilot]

This is my current process by the way; what I gotta do for all files to narrow down the search

[blissful pilot]

The original authur is somewhere, but FastLibraries is what doesn't exist anymore, its abandoned libraries and he is no where to be seen, heard from, nor has he touched fastext

[formal sierra]

I LOVE GITHUB DESKTOP SO MUCH

[blissful pilot]

hes worked on fast text some more. but fast text is broken as hell and Im not gonna use it

[formal sierra]

oh well thats confusing lol

[blissful pilot]

I've thought of maybe decompiling the DLL but even If i could, I doubt I'd understand what to change or look for

[blissful pilot]

Its like the SCP unity devs

that project is not coming back

simply put

[formal sierra]

no trust me it totally will and the lead dev that stole all of the Patreon funds will totally come back

[blissful pilot]

I love how oblivious markiplier is about it all lol

[formal sierra]

its messed up that all the team's hard work is wasted

[blissful pilot]

its a tale as old as time with SCP apperently :/

[formal sierra]

i think he knows, but idk, maybe he just doesn't want to get involved with such complicated drama and at this point its a bit too late to cover lol

[formal sierra]

someone add a Fuck Zornor emoji to this discord server not related to SCP at all!!!11111!!!!!!!!!

by the way, you should really start up a dedicated Discord server for the project, since at this points its muchhh more than an RTX remix

[blissful pilot]

eh I'd like to think its all related, the RTX remix is a big part, i've wanted to remaster SCP:CB for many years now, but I haven't had a good enough reasoning to until the idea of RTX

every asset remade still goes towards that

I guess the only reason why I wouldn't create one is because I suck at moderating, and I have no idea how to properly set one up, and I think my efforts are better spent on the project first

if it becomes really big like TSS, then perhaps

[formal sierra]

alr, well lmk if you ever want to set one up, cause i could definitely do it rq

i was just thinking it would be nice cause theres so many progress updates for the project getting lost in messages lol

[blissful pilot]

There's way more for other games I think

like rtx remixs

I'm really worried that the thing that will fix fastext is something like the extra (int)s in the code, theres so many of those and replacing them all would also take a while

my hope is that its just something small, that isn't one of the things we still want from mavless,

something easily changable

my other fear is that FastExt is only meant to work with Blitz3D v1.106 and is hardcoded to work with it with no changes to the engine

if thats the case, I may never know

[formal sierra]

and you can't remove the syntax since it'll break a lot of things im presuming

[blissful pilot]

hm?

[formal sierra]

the (int)

[blissful pilot]

what do you mean by 'syntax' exactly?

nah it doesn't break much, at least I think

[formal sierra]

idk what to even call it

[blissful pilot]

I mean ive been replacing files from the current build with ones from v1.106's source code that don't have the (int) and it will builds, it still runs as blitz3d

although, does it break one of the many features Juan adds? i have no idea

and thats kinda why I'm hoping its not the (int)s thats causing FastExt to not worko

[formal sierra]

i mean if by int it means integer in the code, idk what about that could cause FastExt to not work

idk im just doing some guesses

[blissful pilot]

I.. think I give up on FastExt, christ..

I went through nearly all the files, until I got to blitz/lib.cpp and when I build that with the v1.106 changes, and tried running the game, it gave me an error of unknown function "FileSize" so I revert back the changes of lib.cpp and still got that error, reverted the entire blitz folder and still had that error, reverted back like three previous folders I went through and STILL had that fricking error, so I used my backup to restore all changes made for 1.106 and only then did the game launch (black screen crash) again

its probably not going to go anywhere though

I don't know why it doesn't work, but it simply doesn't

[formal sierra]

oh god

[blissful pilot]

if there was a way to just compile 1.106 and go from there I would but

theres one more thing I could try

the worst part is, blitz3d doesn't give me a debug error to why its not working

[blissful pilot]

Yeah I give up with that

at least FastExt

its just a better idea not to use it for one reason, FastExt isn't open source, we don't know how it works, so how it works, why it works when it does, what it does better or worse, and bending the game to work around FastExt, to bend the engine itself to work around FastExt.. it just doesn't make sense to do

and as proven to me, no matter which way I try it, nothing works

at least I know how compile Blitz3D as an engine incase I need to

who knows, maybe I find a way to implement render to texture into the engine itself

but until then, I just kinda give up on FastExt. I have the impression that's what the devs did too, they didn't mandate FastExt shall never be used, they just gave up on the library, because the authur of it did

What a waste of time, christ.

I've beem working on trying to get FastExt into the game for Render Target since 05/24/25; a week and a half ago

At least now we know though

[formal sierra]

imagine the things you could have done

you could have PBR for every pore on D9341's beautiful face

[blissful pilot]

Could do something like this in the meantime

or this

[formal sierra]

I like this one

[blissful pilot]

me too

[formal sierra]

Btw I just noticed why is the logo outwards

ik it symbolizes a breach but I think its the same in the intro

[blissful pilot]

im so dumb

There already is one ingame XD

so we'll use that for the time being

if nothing esle

Eventually, if its not too hard to code, I might do something like this

And have either a series of textures or a video ingame to display

assuming its easy to code, that might not be a terrible idea, because RTX remix has free cam, so we can use that

But I'll tackle that another time

[formal sierra]

should be, i dont know how it works for blitzbasic, but you could probably just do a for loop of the images

I was also wondering whether FastExt would even like

work lol

since it uses separate cameras or a position to capture right?

[blissful pilot]

I have been too, I just really wanted to give it an honest try

both CopyRect which is in the vanilla game and FastExt use camera positions yeah

its just one copies it to a texture buffer, which RTX remix can read and use, while the other copies it directly to the screen via memory, which causes it to flicker on the players view in RTX remix

im not sure why, but thats what it does

There's only a handful of places that would need CCTV monitors too

[formal sierra]

yeah i really don't think its that much of an issue

[blissful pilot]

not really, I just hate the setback lol

I'll get over it though

[formal sierra]

and for places that its sort of important, like the intro, you could just fake it

[formal sierra]

hey, at least you know how to compile an old ass version of Blitz3D now lol

[blissful pilot]

I could have a series of images like this that loop for the intro (pre breach) and then have one after the breach just for the tutorial thingy that shows the scientist and guard, but when the light flickers it turns into the offline one

the lockroom would Need to be offline, unless we just have a looping one that isn't consistent with 173

Sur valence room would be easy, just 049 walking to, and away, same with 106

895 is probably the easiest

[formal sierra]

i kind of like that though, like 079 is trying to fuck you up so much that they turn off the cameras lol

[blissful pilot]

Yeah thats why its not entirely a bad idea

it breaks a part of the game that has been in the game since indev, but oh well

what can ya do

thats kinda why I wanna keep it for 895, 106, and prebreach, and a little bit of after breach if I can

lockroom is just really unfortunate given 173

[formal sierra]

just make 173 glow through walls

idk a sort of weird solution would be putting triggers for the entry doors in the lock room, and then checking to see if theres 173, and then boom if there is play a loud ass alarm sound

very good idea I know

[blissful pilot]

I mean, its not a terrible idea, because of the gas you'd only need to know where he is in five regions, and because he can only move when line of sight is broken, it would be seamless

although wed need an animation of frames for the gas for each region hes in

[formal sierra]

yeah, I think a band aid solution would be to just play one of those concrete moving sound cues if 173 is in a lockroom and you're about to enter it

I think the buttons already have unique code since they have different behavior, so you could probably slap that SFX code in the function someplace

[blissful pilot]

Not a bad bandaid for now

room2sl is probably the thing that stands out the most because there's now TOO many offline, but all I did was replace the default for the offline one, when they should be two separate things, I'll do coding later to play around with it, I really like the idea of having the monitors animate through a series of textures though, because we can just replace the texture using RTX remix and call it a day (assuming it works once coded)

[formal sierra]

oooooo all the offline cameras look pretty fitting honestly

[blissful pilot]

I just realized something really sad

Markiplier has only done 3 videos on v1.3.11

only three

#56-#58

[formal sierra]

i feel like hes done more than that for some reason lol

[blissful pilot]

its the easiest to figure out

I'd like to pinpoint and create a list of which video is on what version

[formal sierra]

i mean v1.3.11 didn't really change too much except fix some bugs and remove 714 ring from wallet

ye it would prolly be easy considering he starts on the main menu every video

[blissful pilot]

actually, sometimes it doesn't

[formal sierra]

or that might just be at the start of each "playthrough"

yeah

[blissful pilot]

but the first one of 1.3.11 does, and the video before that didn't have 427 thats how I found out

[formal sierra]

427 is so OP lol

[blissful pilot]

427 in uh, interesting

[formal sierra]

i think the time for it to kill you stacks

so maybe not so op after like 5 minutes because you'll just drop dead

[blissful pilot]

I started recording and putting together looped framed recordings of what's supposed to be seen on the monitors

So here's pre-breach to start

once I'm done them all, I'll just need to turn them into textures

[formal sierra]

just turn an entire Markiplier lets play of CB into a texture sheet

[blissful pilot]

thats just my memory

[formal sierra]

lmao

[blissful pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-burning-robert-helpmann-markiplier-getting-over-it-rage-gif-1734552878806861009

its SCP-081

[formal sierra]

is this real guys

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-johnanthan-markiplier-nuzzle-markiplier-chest-gif-20445623

[blissful pilot]

After-Breach would have to be split into three sections,

• one for before you enter the room with the monitor looping
• one for the cutscene with the "Agent! behind you!"
• and one for after the cutscene. also looping

I've done the last one so far, the looping after breach, after cutscene

[formal sierra]

thats how it looked when i tried playing the mod lol

[blissful pilot]

Which one?

Like 0.07?

Oh wait

lol

I just realized what you meant

Like the Resolution scale

Because it looks like it was recorded on a calculator

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-crank-dat-gif-19328104

[formal sierra]

yeah lmao

[blissful pilot]

I could’ve made it higher resolution but there’s a couple of reasons I didn’t

The biggest one is that the static textures used as CCTV security footage for various rooms in Heavy Containment Zone, are single images, and they hide movement of things that you’d normally be able to see such as light flickering and 008s gas cloud by being lower bitrate or resolution, and honestly I like that, it gives it a more realistic CCTV look and feel

Plus consistency

[formal sierra]

nah i like the potato resolution, thats how they were in 2012 anyway lol

[blissful pilot]

I cant wait to make them of the RTX environment but still potato resolution lol

[formal sierra]

hows the freecam on RTX remix?

i tried it out when i first ran the mod but it didn't do anything

[blissful pilot]

Its ok, I wanna see if theres a way to lock the camera or change the controls though, because as of right now its kinda useless because when you move the player ingame it also moves the camera with WASD

it was pretty handy in troubleshooting the nvmeshash though

for the night vision in v0.0.7 of the mod

these dev videos I did shows the freecam pretty well

Alright the After Breach Cutscene took a bit, I have to rerecord it because it didn't line up too too well, but I need your guys' opinions on which to do

so technically, depending on which second you enter the room with the monitor, the camera rotation would be at a different point of the cutscene, but the most common are these two

• The camera starts at the Scientist, pans to 173 and stays at 173 until he teleports and they walk out of the room off screen
• or the camera starts at the guard to show 173 teleporting behind, as it pans towards the exit and them walking out of it.

The former:

The latter:

I'm just gonna pick one of them, and that will be the one used for the remaster

I'll re record them later because I also gotta record a loop of the guard and scientist before the cutscene

But lemme know which you'd prefer of the two

[formal sierra]

hmm idk both are good but i like the 1st one better personally

you could also include both and just pick one randomly

[hallow obsidian]

1st one looks nicer honestly not seeing him teleport just feels better for the world building

[blissful pilot]

Yeah they both have pros and cons, I kinda prefer the first as well at least right now, I like seeing all three;

• the scientist
• the guard
• and 173
  in the cutscene, while the second you only really see the guard and 173

its also probably the one I see the most when I do a playthrough of CB, I rarely see them go through the door through the monitor

[blissful pilot]

I might have to make it play a video instead of a texture strip

there way too many frames

like one of the looping ones was 74 individual frames

luckily, v1.3.10 and v1.3.11 use a library for blitz3d called BlitzMovie, its used for the startup videos but potentially it can be used here too I think

[formal sierra]

why wouldn't it work?

[blissful pilot]

74 frames for animation, assuming we have them on a single texture, and we want each to have a resolution of 512x512 thats at minimum a 18944x18944 square texture