Star Wars: Republic Commando RTX

[dry shoal]

[dry shoal]

recreated the effect that geonosis has two suns

subtle double shadow effect

[modern isle]

would probably be interesting if they had different angles (not rotation, but the setting called angle which defines the size/penumbra of the directional light)

[dry shoal]

Sounds like a fun idea, I just don't have any idea of how I would set it up properly. I know how to change the value of course but I mean making it look good with the right values

[modern isle]

Are both set to 1 rn?

Change one of them to 3 or something, see how that looks.

[naive robin]

Someone say lighting

[dry shoal]

If 1 is the default then yes

[dry shoal]

Hmm okay, I'll keep this in mind and see how it goes

[dry shoal]

tell me of your lighting secrets

[naive robin]

Trying to do two suns?

[dry shoal]

I mean whatever lighting knowledge you got I'll take it

[naive robin]

It's not a tutorial sorta skill. Much more based on practice

[modern isle]

if you're feeling fancy you can give dem suns very slightly different color temperatures.

[dry shoal]

Ooh smart. I'll check the source material to see how they are relative to eachother. Right now I have color temp set to 4000 for both

I wonder how that would even look

[naive robin]

[Our] Sun is ~6000k btw

[modern isle]

just remember, bigger sun = bigger light angle = softer shadows

[dry shoal]

So I should stay away from that value lol

[dry shoal]

Isn't it at the maximum light angle by default? 180 I believe

[modern isle]

wrong angle

[dry shoal]

But that's also extremely good to know, I felt the shadows were always a bit too harsh

[modern isle]

this angle, not the Shaping: Cone Angle

[naive robin]

Also remember; our sun has at most ~0.5 degrees for that property. The rays are nearly parallel.

[modern isle]

true, for the map I'm working on I can go absolute ham with soft sun shadows because the map is illuminated by a giant nebula

[naive robin]

4000k would be like a red supergiant

[dry shoal]

Geonosis baby very very warm

It's pretty intense

[modern isle]

might be a good idea to explain how color temperature works. It's a value in kelvin, which is ... a temperature... and it is directly linked to blackbody radiation which is a function that describes how a material starts to glow when heated up sufficiently enough. Goes from no glow (black) to a faint red, over to orange, yellow, and then white. Ordinary range is 1k to 10k.

funny that I find a star wars reference when googling for a visual of the BBR gradient.

[naive robin]

Looking for the planckian locus curve?

[naive robin]

I can't find anything on the two suns Just the one, Ea.

[modern isle]

Tattoine has two, that I know

[dry shoal]

WAIT IT IS TATTOINE THAT HAS TWO

BUT THE ORIGINAL GAME HAS TWO SUNS TOO

[naive robin]

Sure it isn't a lens flare effect?

[modern isle]

oh no, the dementia is setting in

😜

[dry shoal]

No, I mean in the level editor there are literally two suns

Unless they use it to simulate something else?

I have no clue

[naive robin]

One is likely the sky, the other is the sun.

[dry shoal]

That makes sense

Good thinking Adam my boy

Well I guess I'll be removing one of the distant lights

[naive robin]

Two suns also confuses us humans. Our brain no like two suns.

[modern isle]

Boy I'm gonna open up that editor right now.

[dry shoal]

Do it

You won't

This is the one time I'm confident about something

[modern isle]

If I don't see two suns in the skybox texture you're in for it young man!

[dry shoal]

Oh I meant suns as in light sources

[modern isle]

also mapname pls... geo01?

[dry shoal]

Like there are two sun lightsources

[dry shoal]

geo01a

[modern isle]

they both have the same light color and one is just for dynamic lights and the other for static lights. So one is for the baked lights (sunlight1) while the other only displays on dynamic objects at a brighter intensity

so they're not two suns... just one sun for the environment and one for the characters

probably done to make the angle for character shadows more visually interesting and to make them slightly brighter to improve visibility.

So no, the map doesn't have two suns in that sense.

[dry shoal]

Still technically two sun light sources

But that does make sense. I'll use one distant light and make the shadows softer

I always felt they were too harsh

[modern isle]

(In case you're curious how I came to the conclusion)

[modern isle]

Sure, but not two suns. At no point is any actor in the game affected by both of these.

[dry shoal]

Yeah I understand that. It tracks

It's a little disappointing though bc it was a neat gimmick

[deep gulch]

he's in for it !!!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpson-people-power-gif-8939538

[dry shoal]

Didn't even notice you came! Says you joined a little bit ago too

Do yourself a favor and grab the developer role from here https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1053018418078556160 lol

No functionality, just a marker for what you do

[deep gulch]

🫡

[dry shoal]

For others who check the thread from time to time, he's currently helping me solve what's currently the biggest problem getting in the way of out-of-the-box Remix playability while still keeping the helmet the game is known so much for

He's a legend

(we might be set ladies and gents, gonna give it a bit more time before giving full confirmation)

[deep gulch]

62, What did you put in my bacta tank ?

[dry shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/seymour-skinner-the-peanuts-steamed-hams-devilish-delightfully-devilish-gif-15950427

[dry shoal]

ladies and gentlemen, we got 'em

thanks to @deep gulch I think I'll be able to make the game fully playable from start to finish using the default assets. So people can try the fancy lighting and whatnot well before my project is done

[late jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/presalespark-gif-23300685

[dry shoal]

context for the screenshot: I'm now able to use the helmet and original game light translation with no blinding light issue

"Sir, you're heading into enemy territory. It's thick with droids and bugs!"

[ancient void]

[dry shoal]

currently playtesting. Keep in mind this will still have issues. Mostly related to how Remix handles some of the original game's texture blending. It's not unlikely that the billboard behind the player will also be a tradeoff

but that's why we playtest, to double check!

[dry shoal]

oh my god I have to remodel this

[dry shoal]

I have something like 10-15 assets ready for texturing 🙂

[dry shoal]

That's a lot of crab raves

[dry shoal]

Short term the plan is to once again reset my Remix project so everything is default as expected. Then I'm going to be:

• editing the map files to disable antiportalactors
• set forced LOD0 on static meshes
• forced LOD0 on skeletal meshes (done differently)
• force the "unlit" property onto all surfaces and static meshes

Then I'm gonna play test using the new setup from CurbCake that fixes the helmet lighting. I hope to adjust auto exposure to reliably handle the incredibly bright translated lighting for a more consistent feeling experience. I expect I'll be finishing textures for at least two assets today or tomorrow

Medium term: implement the completed Remix-related anchor meshes into the vanilla game engine. This will allow me to work around more than a few Remix limitations caused by unstable hashes. I don't know how smoothly it will go related to sizing and placement but I'll give it my best shot.

Longer term: more models, more textures, organized scene captures, customized lighting and flipbooks to replace a handful of existing particle effects

[modern isle]

Did you check out how layers work?

[dry shoal]

🙂

:)

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[modern isle]

https://tenor.com/view/really-what-squint-chicken-gif-15168180

[dry shoal]

Wanna give me a link

[modern isle]

Pete gave you one ;)

[dry shoal]

My memory fails me

Time to check my mentions inbox later

[modern isle]

#general-remix message

I suggest creating a layer that only contains your entities like bacta, ammo, weapons etc. And one layer per level.

[dry shoal]

That makes a ton of sense. I should also probably have a layer for helmet related changes too

Since it can definitely break if I do something wrong

Thanks for the reminder + suggestion boss

[formal cypress]

this may be my inner star wars nerd talking, but wasnt it in episode 2 where anakin intercepted the obi wan message and decided to go because they were nearby as they were on tatooine? might be the same suns ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i went to check a galactic map and man are they hard to read

but it appears they were next to each other

[dusk trail]

Good thinking but not the case, they are both in different star systems, altho you are correct that they are very close to one another as they are both in the arkanis sector, geonosis actually only has 1 star in it's system named Ea, where as tatooine has it's 2 which are named tatoo I and tatoo II, and of course both of them are in the outer rim regions

[dusk trail]

It's wrong

[formal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-skeleton-meme-man-skeletron-fortnite-gif-8574616040851063459

[dusk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/god-damn-nerds-sungwon-cho-prozd-dorks-geeks-gif-26913531

[dry shoal]

Nerds discussing obscure details is prime content

That perspective always helps though, if I have something wrong I'd rather be corrected than not

[formal cypress]

im like halfway between casual and mega nerd XD

[dry shoal]

Better than me, I'm very much in the camp of "star wars was the shit when I was a kid and now I mainly look back at it fondly" to give an overly complex description

I enjoy Star Wars but with the way Disney has gone I've kinda lost interest. Experiencing the good ol days again like with RC has been a blast though

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

work begins

[dry shoal]

nvm my second monitor got fucked up

[dry shoal]

first time I've been able to view this scene with the helmet enabled

[dry shoal]

so did a decent amount of playtesting. Disabling antiportal actors and setting BSP geo to unlit in particular is a noticeable help. If I'm gonna distribute a version of this game with Remix that uses 0 asset replacements, I'm still gonna have to include modified level files to ensure the best experience

it might not be worth distributing such a version at all. Since the visor isn't strong enough without being set to color emissive in the remix toolkit. So in bright areas the helmet HUD gets totally overpowered

but I guess we'll just have to see with time

Tuning auto exposure did help with the lights, but doesn't help with the HUD visibility

[dry shoal]

before and after setting all static meshes to use the unlit property. You can see it fixes visual artifacts in the background and does so quite nicely. It also fixed a flicker in the helmet scene

[burnt light]

unlit in the base game engine?

[dry shoal]

yep. Unlit property in the UE2 editor and rebuilt the lighting. Thanks to CurbCake we might be able to do this at runtime, which would negate the need to distribute map files should I do an early "minimum viable product" release

[burnt light]

cool 😛

[modern isle]

Like just using the command viewmode unlit ? 😛

[dry shoal]

I don't want everything to be unlit. Some particles don't like it when I do

[modern isle]

Elaborate

[dry shoal]

Some particles effects look incorrect with the unlit tag. Specifically emitters. I only found it for a couple things but it was enough to where I'd rather not do 100% unlit

[modern isle]

If you can give me some screenshots of troublesome emitters I can take a look

[dry shoal]

If I recall correctly it had to do with fire. Maybe something interfering with the emissive nature by making it unlit

[modern isle]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[dry shoal]

I just got a new gaming mouse

It's purple

[modern isle]

Weird looking cat

[dry shoal]

Speaking of cats, the wireless receiver is one. For some reason

[dry shoal]

this mouse is fucking sweet, I already love it

[dry shoal]

WIP, not super happy with it though

[dry shoal]

more happy with it

I feel like the choice to not have the dirt multiply normals by default is a not-it moment

before - after

[past escarp]

Okay, that is looking really good. Miles ahead of the original model.

[dry shoal]

here's the original for reference

[late jetty]

Too pretty to throw

[ancient void]

Will the middle part still glow red when it's thrown?

[past escarp]

I'd imagine that would be possible with a bit of game side modding thrown in. Fortunately, it does seem like Auto is rather getting the hang of that.

[dry shoal]

I'm not going to make the middle glow red like the original. Instead I'm aiming to have animated LED blinking in the 3 LED casings at the front of the model, which is more lore accurate

[dry shoal]

this one I won't actually need native modding. Just a flipbook with emissives that's gonna come later though since I don't want to jump into flipbooks before I'm ready to really push them

I keep saying native but in the modding community that's technically incorrect

ya'll know what I mean though lol

pathtraced indirectly lit giant thermal detonator

oh my god it looks so good

in-game it's gonna be much smaller of course, so you won't get to judge it with too much scrutiny. All according to plan jokes aside I'm happy with how this turned out

with a bit of lighting. The white on the thermal detonator is actually a realtime reflection of the light itself. It's not just a generic shine

can you tell I'm proud of it

[past escarp]

Well, you have a right to be.

[dry shoal]

~~also I don't know how layers in Remix work because I made an "experimenting" layer specifically for the giant thermal detonator and this mf is still here after deleting the layer. And yes I had it selected ~~@modern isle

edit: nvm you have to click the little logo to activate that layer, highlighting nor double clicking it works

[late jetty]

It's so good

[dry shoal]

okay last ones

comparison at true size

how these bad boys might look in a new grenade box mesh

might adjust the color a bit but other than that? I'm pretty happy

[dry shoal]

Remade the material. This might be more fitting

I'll probably add some more imperfections

[dry shoal]

left or right?

[maiden temple]

Right imo

[dry shoal]

I think I was able to get the best of both worlds. Dirt has more discoloration instead of just being plain black, and I addedd additional edge wear with color deviation from the main metal itself

[obsidian kernel]

left

actually nvm the warped metal and dirt on the last photo looks good

[dry shoal]

this is gonna look real nice when it's fully complete

grenade box mesh courtesy of @.TheMan. He's in this thread but doesn't talk here too much as he's working on Republic Commando Remastered (graphics mod for the original Unreal Engine 2 game, no Remix) with his group. they've been kind enough to share a few prop models with me while I'm gonna be texturing many of them myself, so there's mutual benefit. I added a few smaller details on top of his work, which he encouraged

[late jetty]

[dry shoal]

started work on replacing one of the cave light fixtures. This one's fun because it has physics!! so this is gonna be fun to mess around with in Remix. Shoot the fixture and watch the light swing around, shadows moving everywhere

this is the original model. I fully plan on adding various details that are found in the texture

[dry shoal]

restarted, looks a bit better I think

little sneak peak of something devilish I'm cooking up I love ignoring my own advice

outlines are what I've done, it's overlayed on the original

long way to go but it's a start

[static mason]

Damn look at you go

[severe flare]

anyone else hear caramelldansen?

[severe flare]

u love to see it

[dry shoal]

Yeah I'm really close to the finish line with the DC17m, very excited about texturing it too

[dry shoal]

dc17m is geting closer to completion

original to compare

nvm I forgot the original was flipped lol

[static mason]

Me when uhhhhh

Kewl

[dry shoal]

Okay guys we got logo submissions from the GOATs

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1064420257969754122/1240617721495027774/Camera.mp4?ex=664736ca&is=6645e54a&hm=3e79f2427e7f93b4f6a6bcf4e1d234c3cca3cf16e00e8c4fcca5452841d98bb8&

Which one are y'all feeling

||||

[sinful niche]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-shade-big-pile-of-shit-jeff-goldblum-gif-15372128

[naive robin]

This is peak

[dry shoal]

I might explore using the old clone mesh I had again. Using quad remesher I can clean up the topology dramatically with just a click. So as long as I stay within a reasonable tri count it should be useable. With it being quad based I could also add some simpler details pretty easily which is cool too

[dry shoal]

@modern isle I'm not going to use it long term! I want to make a model from the ground up for the final version

I would think of this idea as like a practice placeholder

[formal cypress]

LMAO

[dry shoal]

By popular demand, @modern isle has won the working mod logo contest. Congrats on the win, you will go down in SWRC Remix history

[static mason]

REmix

[dry shoal]

When in doubt, comic sans and accidental second letter capitalization. Can't go wrong

A tried and true strategy

[static mason]

really catches the eye

very cool @modern isle very cool

[modern isle]

https://tenor.com/view/graphic-design-is-my-passion-designer-terrible-dont-quit-your-day-job-lol-gif-12274412

[static mason]

When in doubt, meme format it out

[dry shoal]

assets

new to the fam

[dry shoal]

The quad remesher blender addon has made life quite a bit easier. I can in fact reuse some old meshes with some success. The cave halls in particular were very easy to do. It was as simple as remeshing for clean and even topology, and then doing one subd with subtle fractal for a bit of surface deviation. Before I tried to reinvent the wheel by making those meshes from scratch and using rockify for the surface detail. I might go that route in the end if I'm not stupid and can do it without screwing it up but for now? This should work great with a subtle heightmap provided the UV is nice and smooth

[dry shoal]

Does anyone know a good way to keep track of a ton of different shit between my phone and PC because there's so much I want to have on hand

[static mason]

I use a USB drive

[dry shoal]

I'm talking assets, reference sheets, reference screenshots, browser tab groups with a ton of random shit, tutorials for blender, instaMAT, UE2, documentation for my own project, feedback/suggestions, all the above

[dry shoal]

I mean I have a USB C drive I could plug into my phone but that sounds very cumbersome lol

[static mason]

At that point make a rtx sorted server like I did

[dry shoal]

That makes a lot of sense actually. Just discord is pretty messy when you begin adding more

Like if I could make a personal wiki that would be great but idk if something like that exists

[burnt light]

self host one on a free Oracle server

wiki.js is nice and easy to use

[dry shoal]

js stands for JavaScript

[burnt light]

if i had more time, i'd have set one up for Remix as a whole

https://js.wiki/

[static mason]

I mean if you use a thread bot with these 6 channels not really, because you can search for threads as if they were a folder

[burnt light]

that's essentially just a forum

[static mason]

5*

[static mason]

Basically

[dry shoal]

Wait I totally forgot about threads when they're literally in this server

[burnt light]

lol

[dry shoal]

Wait this looks fantastic

Like exactly what I'd hope for

[burnt light]

yeah it's great

i just don't have time to set it up 😢

[formal cypress]

Something else if it's more file based things your trying to move, I don't know of its possible on a phone, but a network shared folder is pretty easy to set up. It's doable on android, but iPhone idk

[modern isle]

yeah if you're trying to sync files then either use a cloud provider, self host or use something like SyncThing. I have it set up on my PC to share and sync files with my Steam Deck.

Both devices need to be turned on during the sync process however.

[formal cypress]

I use the one built into windows for my steam deck as well, very useful

[dry shoal]

I was thinking of using Obsidian which is a really powerful piece of software, but syncing between devices is paid :(

Had no clue oracle hosted servers for free though, I think I'm gonna go that route

[modern isle]

obsidian is also a note taking app first and foremost

[dry shoal]

It is, but there's 50 million ways to organize things in super intuitive ways

[modern isle]

Couldn't you just use the free version of obsidian, and place that database in your google drive or something?

[dry shoal]

you might be onto something

[modern isle]

that way you can sync it with your other devices

[dry shoal]

Yeah I've already set up some stuff with it so that would be great

[dry shoal]

Currently in contact with the best modder around for RC, and from what I'm getting he knows more than a few things that would be directly helpful for RC within RTX Remix. A good deal of it is way over my head, but I'm here to learn

[static mason]

https://tenor.com/view/crowd-cheering-crowd-hype-cheer-cheer-meme-gif-22195506

[dry shoal]

🥹

This might be a dream come true for Remix compatibility with RC

[modern isle]

This could also be very useful for any UE2 game

[static mason]

lucky asf fr 🔥

[dry shoal]

Don't wanna push my luck just yet, unsure how much of his knowledge on RC would directly translate over. I always hear how RC is very unique compared to other UE2 games

[modern isle]

I'm going out on a limb and say it probably didn't rewrite the renderer from scratch. Just adding to it instead.

[dry shoal]

Fair point, but shaders are game specific are they not?

So he might only be able to do that for RC, I don't think it'll have universal shaders used in all UE2 games but I could be totally off

[modern isle]

if you bypass or intercept the shaders, why would this be relevant? Just replace any shader you find with a stable reference.

[dry shoal]

Ah I think I get what you mean

TLDR if shader -> put generic FF thing

?

@modern isle

[modern isle]

basically

[dry shoal]

Gotcha. In that case it might work. I passed along the idea and asked for him to give any comment on it

He's going to test RC with Remix directly in the near future after I share the setup with him. So I'll be interested to see how it goes

@modern isle

[modern isle]

they modified the RHI?

shouldn't be a dealbreaker for other games, I can do some investigation on my own for UT2k4 and compare as that game is the baseline of the engine pretty much (I'm going to ignore the stepchild 2k3 and only focus on UE2.5)

[dry shoal]

Roger. I'm gonna leave it there with him since I already feel like I'm asking for a fuck ton (even though he offered). But down the line it's probably something he's willing to share if others care to explore it for other UE2 games

Man. I'm getting surrounded by way too many smart people

I'm in way over my head buttttt fuck it. I'm along for the ride

[static mason]

<#relatable>

[dry shoal]

May we both prosper in the presence of shared hardship

[static mason]

Yes

[modern isle]

Welcome to School 2: Electric Boogaloo

[dry shoal]

At least this school forces me to do stuff I don't like that's related to the stuff I do like. Could be worse

[modern isle]

Except I'm not a certified teacher, just a tech artist/generalist 😛

[deep gulch]

how I feel everytime I talk to leon.....

[dry shoal]

Attention all RC Remix gamers, has anyone run into the issue of slow mouse movement when the runtime overlay is active? If so, were any of you able to resolve it and how

Leon and CurbCake I believe have run into an issue where using the runtime overlay is especially sluggish. Specifically has to do with mouse input latency

[modern isle]

Fix: open a menu first

Works in UT2K4 reliably.

Using the overlay midgame is super slow and unresponsive, but opening a menu fixes the mouse movement entirely

Also alt + backspace I believe

[dry shoal]

that's the thing, he mentioned that it happened across the board. Paused, in menu, in-game

I passed it along still just in case since sometimes we overlook something

[dry shoal]

alt+backspace did the trick, thanks!

[dry shoal]

was a total accident but I opened the level editor with Remix enabled. Here's a hanger on the RAS ship, pathtraced! Please note that this is outside the scope of this project however. Just a neat thing I wanted to share

dramatic lighting

[dry shoal]

number 5 is a complete and total lie

[dry shoal]

so I've confirmed that setting the transition distance on animated meshes to 0 doesn't work. If you want effectively infinite LOD0 distance, you need to enter 0.1 or something. I did 0.5 and it worked flawlessly. Image one is where I am in the map, in image two we can see our guy scorch at his best on the other side of the level. Image 3 is a professionally done, god-like, peak edit demonstrating the distance between the player and scorch. You're welcome

graphic design is my passion

oh we're replacing assets baby. They reuse shit so much, it's easiest to see with the bright untextured model replacements

[deep gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cant-see-cant-read-meme-ken-jeong-gif-16673476

[dry shoal]

edited lighting. Now the clone at the bacta dispenser is mostly lit by the fire in the corner of the room

slow mo is neat

does he know

[dusk trail]

I'm still alive btw, sorry I've been a bit inactive, been doing house renovations and stuff, and today I had to go to the hospital cuz I fell down some stairs and hit my knee cap pretty bad, luckily nothing broke

@dry shoal

[past escarp]

Damn, that thermal detonator is gorgeous in game.

[burnt light]

sure is

[dry shoal]

Oh man, sounds like a journey and a half. Hopefully the recovery goes smoothly

And thank you guys 🥹

Dw dev, I won't steal your work from you 😉

[dusk trail]

But uh yeah I just gotta rest up for a bit

[dry shoal]

yeah no kidding, I couldn't imagine. Take care of yourself

[burnt light]

ouch

hope ya feel better

[dusk trail]

Thanks guys

[dusk trail]

@dry shoal Do you have any models that are simpler in shape that I could do?, been a bit since I've done something so if I'm feeling up to it later this week I could attempt something simple to start with

[dry shoal]

think you could handle these bad boys? lol

singular metal barriers. Ideally some detail from the texture would be included like indentations. Let me find it

@dusk trail really it's just this

[dusk trail]

Pft yeah that's easy as hell

I hope

Like I said it's been awhile so I'm a bit rusty

[deep gulch]

just like yamcha

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

in that case if you want to make just the outer/general shape that works too. Doubt you'll find anything simpler :)

I can try and add the details and whatnot after

[dusk trail]

That bunker was pissing me off ngl lmao

Just an annoying shape haha

[dry shoal]

totally fair

[dusk trail]

If you can send me a file of the original mesh with the textures like before then I'll look at doing that tomorrow

[dry shoal]

you got it boss

also guess what lads and lasses, through a base game script CurbCake was able to completely remove the billboards following the player!!!!

no more giant shadows with the helmet enabled

it's hard to understate how much base game scripting has helped with this project. Issues I thought I'd have to work through hell and back over are gone just like that. Truly amazing work that I won't take for granted for a second

we are very, very close to near perfect compatibility with Remix using this stuff. There are caveats, but at this point there's seemingly nothing directly in the way of me remastering this game (geonosis only)

in this test I actually edited the map files for the unlit property, so I'm unsure if that part of the script worked. However, with that and Remix's anticulling it plays basically without a hitch

[dry shoal]

:)

original vs new

[dry shoal]

shout-out to Kim's newest ||(and ethical btw)|| version of PBRify. Scorch over here's looking great

DISCLAIMER: shouting it out because I think it's cool stuff and I used RC to test it. My project isn't planning on using AI. Still, a nice tool for those who don't have the time to get into the art side of things

[static mason]

:thinker:

Honestly pretty cool

[dusk trail]

Yo send me the file and I can get it done today

[dry shoal]

Uhhh since I totally forgot you'll have to give me a few hours

But you have the game right? If you download a program called umodelviewer you should be able to export the model and texture to formats viewable in blender

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

If you need to get it sooner that is. You can find out what directory that model is in using the level editor. CTEditor if you're using SWRCFix, Unrealed if you aren't. Load up geo1a and right click the model in the map. Hit properties -> displayAdvanced and at the bottom it says the directory and name of the mesh

[dry shoal]

[dusk trail]

Yeah I have it, have just a few other sw games too

[dry shoal]

Hmm yeah I see a handful in there

The game is super tiny, less than 2GB so the download would be quick

[dusk trail]

It's already done, took like 2secs

I have a 1.2GB up/down

[dry shoal]

If you head to the game directory, then GameData -> System, you'll see an exe called Unrealed

That's the game's included map editor though be aware it's known to be unstable if you look at it funny

In Unrealed it's as simple as file -> open -> maps folder in GameData -> geo01a

[dusk trail]

This unrealed is about to be unsealed

[dry shoal]

Even though my dumbass forgot it's probably good that you know this anyways, since depending on how much you want to do over time you have everything right there

[dusk trail]

Right

I agree

[dusk trail]

Wait so how do I use this tool?, and it's umodel right?

@dry shoal

[dry shoal]

Umodel to view and extract the models for reference. For Unrealed you'd use it to know where in the file directory that mesh/texture is

To move forward and backwards in the 3D viewport of Unrealed, hold left and right click, then drag

The controls are all kinds of fucked lol

[dusk trail]

[dusk trail]

I hate that

To my core

[dry shoal]

That's why I said use Unrealed to find out where the mesh is first lol

It'll tell you where to go within that screenshot

[dusk trail]

I manged to load up a map but have no idea how to find the model locations for stuff

[dry shoal]

Sorry for the delay since I got super busy. But in the 3d viewport you see it right there in the screenshot

Right click the metal barrier there and click properties

[dusk trail]

All good

[dry shoal]

Were you able to find it? It's under DisplayAdvanced in the properties. You can take that string and reference that in umodel. It'll have something like "arena_hr" "animalpen" "mesh name"

A combination of 3 names that tell you where to go to get it

Just using arena hr and animalpen as examples

[dusk trail]

So it's Arena_HR -> ArenaWalls -> MetalWall2

Am I reading that right for the location of it?

[dry shoal]

That's exactly right. Static meshes -> arenaHR -> ArenaWalls -> mesh name is MetalWall2

Navigate there in umodel and you're golden

[dusk trail]

Found it

And found the trim texture for it as well

I take it I probably want to export as glft?

Don't think blender can import pskx

[dry shoal]

Yep, this

The texture you'll have to apply manually in blender, I don't think the gltf includes the texture in the file

But yeah, now you know how to find and export any model to use as a reference 🙂

[dusk trail]

Cool

[modern isle]

select the mesh and then press F4 😜

[modern isle]

UE (up until UE4 changed it) stored everything in packages. So Arena_HR is the file arena_hr.usx in your StaticMeshes folder. Those packages have groups in them, in this case named ArenaWalls which can contain multiple meshes.
That path for static meshes ends up like this <filename of the package>.<Group name>.<Mesh name>

[dusk trail]

Well that would've been easier

[dusk trail]

Ah, makes sense

[dry shoal]

What does F4 do

[static mason]

I mean if you hit alt and f4....

[dry shoal]

You die in real life

[static mason]

https://tenor.com/view/overheat-computer-explosion-boom-spark-gif-17323916

[modern isle]

Open the actor properties

F5 is surface properties

[dry shoal]

That's a nice little shortcut. I think it's only a small benefit over right clicking though

[modern isle]

Workflow optimization, every second wasted adds up over time

[dusk trail]

That's true

[dry shoal]

I agree, but he's just started using it after all 🙂

Though I think with tips like this the earlier you learn the better. So thanks for the mention rune

[dusk trail]

You didn't tell me earlier, I wasted hours of my life, you're dead to me

That was a joke

[dry shoal]

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

Not a joke he actually despises me as a human

thats also a joke

[dusk trail]

[static mason]

Most people despise me (not a joke but also a joke) -troll mode on

[dry shoal]

[dry shoal]

getting closer still

[dusk trail]

@dry shoal Welp after hours and hours of hard work here's what I've got

Nah fr here

Haven't done any detailing yet, and I did take a little creative freedom with the shape

This being the original mesh

Made it more uniform because the weird one sided thing is gross

Honestly kinda having a hard time trying to figure out how much detail and where to put said detail into this thing lmao, especially since it's just a barricade and how unhelpful the original texture is

[dusk trail]

Added some detailing where I thought it could go using the textures as a ref, also made it closer to what the original looks like, with the panel lines and everything (only on the mid section so far)

Let me know what ya think when you see it so I know where to go with it

[dry shoal]

Wow this looks great

If I were to give feedback, it would be two things. One is moreso for personal reasons which is making these insets slightly wider. That way when I texture I can get extra grime and wear for bonus detail without much effort :)

As a side note, the screws are also probably too small. I really like them but they're not gonna stand out unless they have more presence

The second thing I was gonna mention isn't really important for now but rather for the finishing touches. I think this area needs a bit more angles to it. First idea that came to mind was a chamfer across that area, but I think toning down the curvatures of the sides so it's more "chunky" + the chamfer would be perfect

I imagine you know but just in case, chamfer -> one segment bevel

Actually one last thing would be similar to the first one I mentioned. These look excellent but I think they should be slightly wider to stand out + give space for wear and grime when I texture it

How deep they are (they're quite shallow) is perfect, it's just the height and length of the lines I'm referring to, not depth

I hope that's helpful feedback I'm new to it

[dusk trail]

@dry shoal More like this?

[dry shoal]

Perfect, she's beautiful

That's exactly it

[dusk trail]

If you want I can try and see what adding more paneling looks like

Bottom, sides and top sections

[dry shoal]

I think that would look great, yeah. Feel free to take some creative liberties for adding extra detail to the base design if you'd like. As long as the outline/silhouette matches closely enough it'll fit perfectly

Keep in mind these ends are a different material from the base shape, so there probably shouldn't be design continuity between them

[dry shoal]

For whatever you get around to putting stuff there that is

[dusk trail]

This is all I meant

[dry shoal]

You absolutely fucking cooked

[dusk trail]

Ah

[dry shoal]

No that's fine

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

I think that's a creative liberty that works just fine, I can accommodate it in the texture and it'll look even better (and make more sense physically) thabvthe original design

Good shit man

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

I'd say that looks totally complete. Mind DMing me the model to have on hand? So I can begin to texture it when I get around to it

[dusk trail]

Yeah I'll send it shortly, just doing some final touchups

[dry shoal]

Sounds good boss, take your time because it'll be hours till I'm on anyways lol

[dusk trail]

@dry shoal I'm done messing with it now

As for shape it's almost exactly the same

I've setup basic materials but you'll have to do the UVs and stuff for the textures, shouldn't be too hard since they're all separate parts

[dry shoal]

Them being separate is super ideal, perfect. I can totally do UV stuff

[dusk trail]

Ja

[dry shoal]

I hope I'll do your model justice

[dusk trail]

If not no big deal haha

[dry shoal]

No, if you cook then I must cook also

[dusk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/blender-jerma-crazy-blender-render-blender3d-gif-24406452

[dry shoal]

It's the law of equivalent exchange

[dusk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/starlord-chrispratt-weird-shit-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-8749692

[dry shoal]

Only just noticed it but that's a great clone model

[dusk trail]

Yeah it's one of the older clone models from GC, I just use it as a sizing tool lmao

[dry shoal]

I can only imagine how nice the one is that's used now is

I am not looking forward to modeling the clone

[dusk trail]

We've redon them a few times

[dusk trail]

It's pain

[dry shoal]

I figure it makes the most sense to do the droids first as they're much simpler

In fact I bet the super battle droid might be relatively easy?

[dusk trail]

We just redid our B1 for like the 3rd time, honestly our B2 needs to be redone as well, sucky part is we're kinda stuck with the rig Squad uses which isn't really for anything other then standard sized humans

This stuff is magic to me, I stay every far away from character modeling lmao

Shit hurts my head

[dry shoal]

Wow he's a beaut. The one in RC has some stylistic deviations so it'll be interesting for sure

[dusk trail]

Yeah

And with like the B2 having it's front panel removable and stuff is also very different

[dry shoal]

I don't have a character modeler so it's all me*

[modern isle]

I ain't touching characters with a 10 foot pole either.

[dusk trail]

Fr tho

[dry shoal]

Even rune

[modern isle]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-skills-taken-special-skills-gif-9414483

[dusk trail]

So really it's mainly 2 we have

That is so damn vague

[dry shoal]

Is it though

[modern isle]

Yes, it's MAXIMUM VAGUE

[dry shoal]

Crytek

[dusk trail]

But can it run Cri...

[dry shoal]

It's a Y not an I!!!

[dusk trail]

Yes that's what it is

[dusk trail]

Shhh

Here have an apple slice

https://tenor.com/view/bear-potato-cute-espresso-gif-2735237421672024978

[modern isle]

Does Crytek still have any other studios outside of the main... Frankfurt(?) one?

[dusk trail]

No idea tbh

I know he works at that one tho

[dry shoal]

They did. Past tense

[modern isle]

oh interesting, they offer on-site and remote work.

[dry shoal]

AFAIK they have two teams, one on Hunt and one on Crysis 4

[dusk trail]

^

[modern isle]

Yeah I know, they fumbled so massively hard I'm still surprised they're still alive somehow.

[dry shoal]

Hunt saved them. Which is surprising because design-wise Hunt should be a niche game

[modern isle]

Too bad it's CryEngine tho, name is accurate because it does make me cry.

[dry shoal]

I think I bought maybe 10 copies of Hunt total

[dusk trail]

I hated working with CE

It was pain

[modern isle]

I got banned for the audacity of playing it via family sharing and crytek being turbo smooth brain and instead of toggling a single checkbox in the steam partner backend they just decided to ban every family sharing user.

[dusk trail]

Very powerful foliage system tho so that was cool, rest was gross

[modern isle]

I love how the engine had terrain hard coded into it, and that was the one that star citizen decided to go with... for their space game lol

[dusk trail]

[dusk trail]

Yeah lmao

[dry shoal]

I still don't know why the hell Prey was made on CryEngine. Seems like the worst possible choice

[formal cypress]

wait is star citizen on cry engine?

[burnt light]

that's the feeling i got any time i read about it, lol

[dusk trail]

Modified version of it yeah

[modern isle]

originally yes, they changed to a fork of it that amazon bought iirc.

[dry shoal]

A fork of CryEngine yeah. It's deviated a LOT since then

[dusk trail]

Yeah idk either, UE or another one would have been much better for it

[dry shoal]

Then again that was peak UE4 shader compilation stutter era iirc

[burnt light]

Prior to Prey, Arkane had just released Dishonored 2 which used the studio's internally developed Void game engine. At release, many players reported performance issues with the Windows version of the game, which Arkane fixed through patches, but led to some lingering doubts as to Arkane's ability to develop for the Windows platform. Colantonio said that Arkane wanted to remove that stigma for Prey, with the goal to produce a "really flawless" version for Windows on release.[40] The game was developed using CryEngine, an established third-party game engine, eliminating many issues related to performance. Colantonio said that they "doubled our thoroughness" in the areas of quality assurance testing to eliminate other possible issues.[40][41]

[formal cypress]

wait amazon made their own fork as well? why would amazon need a fork of it im so lost

[dusk trail]

True but a lot of that could be fixed with an actual dev team that knows the tech, since UE is more or less open source (not actually of course) with it's code and how easy things can be changed

[modern isle]

Yeah why hire a Technical Artist for your project who knows about this stuff and would completely solve the shader complilation problem for you when you can just SHIP IT! ™️

[burnt light]

normally when i think of CryEngine, i don't associate it with good performance. so that's interesting

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

Makes sense. Void was a piece ** ****

I'll have to give it to them though, Prey is VERY stable and highly configurable for PC

[modern isle]

Amazon bought CryEngine 3 including the source code and released it as Amazon Lumberyard which eventually got renamed to Open 3D Engine if I'm not mistaken. I don't really follow that engine at all because it's not super relevant.

[burnt light]

yes, and it runs well enough that i never would've thought it was CE

scales very well too

[dusk trail]

Yeah and then Helldivers 2 used that before the engine got canned

[dry shoal]

Tbf it's very visually unambitious compared to Crysis 3 which came out 4 years earlier on last gen consoles. I think they pulled it off with the artstyle though (the ultra lighting or whatever mod is a huge improvement tho)

[modern isle]

Anyone looking for a Tech Artist with 10+ years of experience with UE4 and UE5 by extension? Knows HLSL and SLANG, pretty good generalist and vfx artist too. No? Okay 🥲

[dusk trail]

For Prey or Crysis 3?

[burnt light]

jobs these days want UE6 experience 5 years before it releases 😛

[dry shoal]

Prey. Both games look good just for very different reasons

[dusk trail]

You'll get paid in crappy steam games

[burnt light]

yeah that's fair

[dusk trail]

Fair I just didn't know Prey had a mod like that

[dry shoal]

I'd be shocked if this wasn't a strong resume

[modern isle]

Helldivers 2 runs on Autodesk Stingray, the same engine that powers Warhammer Darktide and Vermintide. Autodesk bought an engine called BitSquid which Arrowhead and FatShark used back then, then autodesk renamed it and not too long ago dropped it.

[dusk trail]

I tought it was the Amazon engine

Rip

[dry shoal]

It's an awesome mod, but it has some perf issues. My favorite part is iirc it makes the vast majority of light sources breakable and that alone adds an ungodly amount of immersion

[dusk trail]

Fair

Sounds cool

[modern isle]

Can't say that about the bugs and glitches though. That 6 minute speedrun still is amazing to watch.

[dry shoal]

Throwback to I think IGN's 4 review score because the reviewer experienced multiple game breaking bugs and kept needing dev-supplied save files to continue

[dusk trail]

lmao

Wtf

[dry shoal]

It was rough

[dusk trail]

Sounds like it

Damn

[modern isle]

Understandable, that can ruin the experience.

[burnt light]

However, some reviewers and players found that after several hours of playing on the computer version, their saved games would become corrupted, and the game would crash when transitioning between areas once this started to occur. Restoring from older saves would eventually cause those to be corrupted as well, making the game impossible to complete.

[dry shoal]

Don't tell that to anyone else who likes Prey online. It drives me insane how many people are salty about the 4 review score when given the context it absolutely made sense and when the bugs were fixed the score was changed to an 8 anyways

[dusk trail]

Fallout NV on PC be like

[burnt light]

PS3*
it's sooo much worse than the PC version

[modern isle]

So... just don't save, got it

[dusk trail]

[formal cypress]

i thought on the 360 and ps3 version the bigger the save file it just destroyed the speed and framerate

[modern isle]

Skyrim on PS3 had a notorious bloated save bug too.

[burnt light]

it did, same for Skyrim

yeah

but also the PS3 version of NV just crashes constantly. i couldn't go 10 minutes without a crash

[dusk trail]

I played on the 360 and didn't have too many issues, every now and again the save would get corrupted but I also made backups

[dusk trail]

I guess it's my fault for playing on PC with 732 mods loaded at once

[dry shoal]

Wasn't the PS3 version giga fucked in terms of performance too

[dusk trail]

[modern isle]

What wasn't on PS3.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[burnt light]

PS3 had half the RAM of the 360, so yeah it probably would've been worse than any of the other platforms

256 MB RAM 😛

[dusk trail]

I didn't play PS until the PS4 Pro came out, well I skipped the PS1 and PS3, had a 2 tho, then got a 4 later, I was mainly an Xbox and PC player tho

And shit can't forget about the DS

https://tenor.com/view/aging-getting-old-gif-9803364

[dry shoal]

I thought it was the cell architecture that was the problem. Where everyone had to be a low level coding guru legend to get everything out of it

[burnt light]

it was that too

[modern isle]

I still have all my playstation consoles... except the 4, gifted that piece of junk to my parents. Did I mention I absolutely loathe monthly ransom payments to big corporations?

[burnt light]

but an open world game on 256 MB RAM isn't a good idea

Rockstar managed it with GTA 4 and V at least

[burnt light]

i'm about to sell my PS4 for similar reasons. it's just a nightmare to use 😦

[dry shoal]

Assuming you mean the online subs, it really annoys me how much people enable these companies. Xbox 360 was king that generation for the "more serious" crowd on console and everyone was more than willing to shell out for the most part

[dusk trail]

Thing is basically just a space heater lmao

[dry shoal]

I think if the PS3 won that gen then online subs wouldn't exist in the way they do now

[burnt light]

i tore down my PS4 to repaste it because the fans were screaming

apparently it got SO hot that the plastic inside melted

[modern isle]

but bro.... bro... listen bro... it's just googles 10 bucks a month... it's not much bro... hey bro... we can play call of duty together for just 10 bucks a month! BRO!

[dusk trail]

Seems about right

Actually can't say too much about that, the 360 had so many issues with the RED RING OF DEATH

[burnt light]

yeah 😦

[dry shoal]

Every PS4 when running last of us 2

[dusk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-twitch-osu-gif-25667324

[burnt light]

was just spiderman PS4 😛

[dry shoal]

I remember when we got the red ring like it was yesterday. Parents were out of the house, me and my brother brought the 360 to the living room to play on the cool plasma TV, I pull out some cereal to monch on and we get to loading up Rainbow Six Vegas to do terrorist hunt co-op

A second after we got to the title screen it was Joever

[dusk trail]

Haha yeah similar here but with Halo Reach and Cod BO2

[dry shoal]

Wild how many legendary games came from that generation tbh

[burnt light]

many of them are still just as fun as they were the first time

[dusk trail]

Fr tho

90% of my childhood only happened the way it did because of the games that came out, so many friends playing together and just having fun

[dry shoal]

Played Halo again from Reach to 4 when they came out on PC. It was my SO's first time playing it since they've always been on PC growing up. Goddamn was it a fun time

[dusk trail]

And those same games are what inspired me to learn how to make games myself

[dusk trail]

Oh wow, that sounds fun

[burnt light]

i only ever liked 1-3, couldn't get into Reach or anything past it

[dry shoal]

It was super fun. It was also cool seeing the reactions to all the story beats. My SO is a huge fan of the arbiter, thinks he's the coolest thing since sliced bread fr

[dry shoal]

I really disliked Reach, probably my least favorite in the series but man is that an unpopular opinion these days. 4 I didn't mind as much but that's mainly because I took it for what it is, a much more casual game for everyone in terms of MP

[dusk trail]

Reach had some of the most opportunities for fun with friends, even more so then H3 imo

[modern isle]

True. But that's the time where online requirements started to slowly creep in. Vegas 2 isn't really playable anymore in co-op, guess that should've been a sign, but oh well.

[burnt light]

4 is probably my most disliked. it just felt like an endless grind with little potential. levels also went on waaaay too long imo

i did like Reach to some extent, but i didn't care much for the story. i think what i liked more about the first 2 (and 3 to some extent) was the way the story was told, not even the gameplay that much

[burnt light]

yeah 😦

thankfully most of the games i cared about were single player. i didn't get to experience much if any multiplayer during that generation because i had crappy satellite internet with the worst ping imaginable

so i just kinda missed out on those games i guess, which is a shame

[dry shoal]

As I do research on Geonosis and the Petranaki Arena which is the first playable space in the game, I very quickly learned that the game's depiction of both this area and the battle that took place is just completely and utterly inaccurate to any description of it LOL

If I was really stupid, I'd use that as a reason to learn how to create singleplayer maps for RC to make my own more lore friendly version

Like the arena is unique/known for its flat surface. In the game you're fighting in these whole ass trenches

[dry shoal]

before and after. Keep in mind the original has no lighting and the new has ambient occlusion included in the preview (not quite that dark)

[dry shoal]

take two

[sinful niche]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-damn-damn-damn-damn-right-dame-time-gif-18029769

[dry shoal]

Another day on the grind

[dry shoal]

@dusk trail I loaded up BFII to have a reference for how the gun reloads and it just seems like the gas cooling or something

you mentioned it was a hybrid system or something like that right

also I don't understand. I know spires are basically hives for geonosians, but I don't see holes in the top of them, is that not where they come out of? Or is it that only the largest tower-like rocks are turned into Geonosian spires?

[dry shoal]

vs original*

[dusk trail]

EA BF2 is not a good reference for how sw stuff works, they only made it a cooling system for gameplay reasons

[dry shoal]

answer my other question too

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

fake star wars fan

[dusk trail]

They got the idea from the fact some weapons do have a cooling system

Most just don't

[dry shoal]

oh by the other question I meant about the spires

[dusk trail]

oh...

My bad

I entirely skipped over that part lmao

Um yeah so they're not hives per say and more like a tower entrance to the hives

And they come out of the sides near the top

They can also fly so eh

[dry shoal]

gotcha. I was really confused trying to recreate the spires in the arena. I guess I could bs it and pretend the entrances are just on the other side

[dusk trail]

lol

[dry shoal]

@dusk trail

she's lookin good in-game

the geometry detail adds so much to it

[dusk trail]

Hell yeah

[boreal yew]

EA bf1 and 2 fucked up the gun mechanics

everything has a cooldown state

no actual reloading

except for the clone commando which reloads when the heat bar is full

[dry shoal]

Thanks for the info. Turns out the EA Battlefront games have done irreparable damage to my recognition of star wars guns

I just don't know where to look to have a frame of reference. I'd love to have things like empty spare mags scattered as ground detail

[burnt light]

just have broken pieces of armor, if that's a thing that can happen

[dusk trail]

Anyone have any clue why this damn thing has a flat side and a not flat side

[dry shoal]

devs prob ran out of triangles to work with

[dusk trail]

Just buy some more, forehead

[dry shoal]

off to a decent start

[dusk trail]

I just want you to know, I hate this shape

@dry shoal

[dry shoal]

if it makes you feel better this hasn't been very fun either after the first few mintues

@dusk trail

[dusk trail]

[modern isle]

Maybe they did it so that they can mirror it and place two next to each other, hard to judge without looking at how the mesh is used

[dusk trail]

Fair thought but I don't think they ever actually do that

Eh well either way I'm taking creative liberty and making it symmetrical

[modern isle]

ah I see the mesh is called DropCrate, thought it was a piece of bridge or catwalk

[dusk trail]

Ye

[dry shoal]

I didn't see it in the model you imported so just wanted to let you know one end of the drop crate has a door on a hinge that when opened goes out and lays flat against the ground

Waiting till the moment I find out the bacta heal doesn't have a stable hash and I need to import it in-game

[dusk trail]

I know

[dry shoal]

The commandos of the republic the videogame will be worked on today

Also not to overpromise, but I think we'll have a near fully remastered sneak preview shot of the project not too long from now

90% of the assets in a memorable area are at least ready for texturing. So not too much more and it can be polished up quite nicely

I believe the only critical model that isn't ready would be the helmet itself. So I suppose I'll have to get on that eventually huh

I suspect that whatever is there for the Remix mod preview shot will not be the final version lol

[dry shoal]

B2 Super Battle Droid

reflections

[severe flare]

Guaranteed when geonosis demo wraps up and someone like Bombastic or Eckharts Ladder covers it you’re going to get a lot of clout and volunteers looking to take up the mantle and do the whole game

Any thoughts on that?

[dry shoal]

if the help seems considerable enough and I'm in the position to do it, I'd be willing to potentially

but as of now the plan is to do my Geonosis demo project, then make a Remix adaptation of RC Remastered which is a mod for the original game. Less ambitious overall but will cover the whole game

[dry shoal]

real glass reflective visor test

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

Didn't work too well lol

[dry shoal]

I think the only way the glass would work is if it's encased in a 3D helmet surrounding the camera. Until then it just has too many instances of reflecting areas behind the player

When culling is disabled that means seeing the sky accurately reflect across the curved surface

[dry shoal]

very WIP

[dry shoal]

replaced the hangar cave. New UV so the PBR material maps on flawlessly

[dry shoal]

[severe flare]

Very sexy

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

JUST TELL ME YOU THINK IT LOOKS LIKE ASS !

also new floor material just dropped (no it's not that sandy normally)

[dusk trail]

"IT LOOKS LIKE ASS" HAPPY NOW

[dry shoal]

[dusk trail]

Nah it looks fine, maybe mess with the tex density

[dusk trail]

Neat

[dry shoal]

higher or lower?

[dry shoal]

looked like ass in-game so I'm changing it LMAO

this is what I have atm

[dusk trail]

[dusk trail]

Ah lol

[dusk trail]

Probably higher, but honestly not sure, just something to mess with until it looks right

[dry shoal]

I thought it looked pretty good as-is

hmmm

[dusk trail]

To me it just looks very noisy, otherwise looks good

As is will work fine too

Whatever you're happy with, I know you got tons of other stuff to do as well

[ancient void]

Ass is good yeah?

[dry shoal]

in this context, no

[dry shoal]

nah the feedback helps. I don't want to half-ass this project

[dusk trail]

Ass means good in street talk right?

Lmao

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

probably gonna have to do a third attempt on the floor. It's hard to get right

[dry shoal]

"if they're anything as good as I hear, they can practically win the war themselves!"

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

Share the feedback or you lose collab privileges

[dry shoal]

Speaking of that, anyone wanna help on the project bc I am overwhelmed :)

[naive robin]

If I wasn’t already behind on the one I’m apart of I would

[dry shoal]

But I have preem light fixtures for you

[naive robin]

Yea I got about 100 of those to do already.

[static mason]

what help is needed? I dont own the game but can help where and when I get the chacne

it all depends tho

[dry shoal]

We truly do live in a society 🚬

[dry shoal]

I mean on art assets unfortunately

AFAIK you don't do much with that stuff right

[static mason]

oyea no sorry 😅

not my strongsuit

[dry shoal]

No worries,I appreciate the offer regardless

[severe flare]

“Yeah I’m more of an ideas guy”

But in all seriousness I’ll ask around, there’s gotta be so many Star Wars nuts who’d be eager to lend a hand

[dry shoal]

Oh I got plenty of ideas the manpower needed to pull it off is a different story lol

I kind of have two sets of ambitions that I'd go between if I had the people for it. One is still ambitious but manageagle: all assets get replaced, all textures have PBR, more dynamic lighting to take advantage of PT. That's what I'm going for now. The more ambitious one goes all in, like adding new animations on the game side to make the game feel more alive. One example would be in the arena, there's a couple droid bunkers that get blown up. But they're very noticeably empty. The super ambitious idea would be to add animated droids inside the bunker doing generic actions to make it actually feel more like destroying an important outpost

Not just that, but also game-side scripting to make the world as a whole more dynamic. Stuff like flickering lights, conditional light attachments (in the dark the commandos have a light on their rifle or something), various tricks for realtime flipbook particle effects

That would be my "uncompromized" vision. That isn't possible nor will it be unless a miracle happens. But, a man can dream

[dry shoal]

Potentially huge changes coming from the SWRC modding legend Leon. He's going to be looking into having a consistent, unique static triangle appended to every emitter material in SWRC. This will allow me to do things like attach lights to particles without needing to go through the work of manually creating X number of static meshes and manually appending it to each and every particle actor with each one scaled to not be noticeable

[boreal yew]

how does the night vision mode look?

[dry shoal]

it doesn't

it's broken right now, gonna look more into it later

[dusk trail]

It does look really good compared to vanilla

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

totally redid the texture. I'm gonna use this as a base

no I did not make the circuitry myself, I'm not talented

[dusk trail]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-jerma-fortnite-jerma-spamwangle-spamwangle-gif-23430926

[severe flare]

in regards for the phase 1 clone trooper

As we all know, it’s not super lifelike atm

But I’m wondering what kind of approach you’ll take in remodeling it

Because you could easily find a model of what a Phase 1 trooper is SUPPOSED to look like….but you could also try keeping the more cartoony proportions and bizarre helmet shaping and create a clone more faithful to the game

[ancient void]

for me I like keeping to the original designs even if they look goofy

[modern isle]

I agree, I'd prefer sticking to the designs from the game too.

[dusk trail]

^

[dry shoal]

That's the plan, so it works out🙂 just sitting on it for a bit, I want to be more confident in my modeling before I take it head on

I also really want to make the battle droid special. I mean just fucking look at this guy

[dry shoal]

I think I would make minor changes for the sake of adding detail. I don't know if this is what you meant by bizarre helmet shaping but the mouth/grill area thing is a part of the texture and not the model. That's something I would model in

But exaggerated proportions and that stuff? That's gonna stay

[dry shoal]

---

I should ALSO mention as a disclaimer that I do plan on taking creative liberties where I think it might look better, specifically in regards to the environment/props. I could be off the mark on some of them but keep in mind if I transition after to making a Remix adaptation of the RC Remastered mod, that will be more true to the original

So I figured if there was a time to take a few creative liberties, it would be in the limited scope project covering Geonosis

[dusk trail]

[dry shoal]

you speak in riddles sir

[dusk trail]

[severe flare]

Perf perf this is what I meant, it’s all so exciting!

[dry shoal]

Yesterday was a more laid back day, today work continues we got the metal flooring texture to finish and I should probably get to texturing a couple props

[dusk trail]

Nice

I'll try to finish that cargo create later tonight/tomorrow morning, been a really busy week for me

[dry shoal]

No worries brother

The bigger problem is how unconfident I'm getting with my modeling, in regressing like crazy lmao

Over the weekend I might follow a more formal type of course to force myself to get experience

[dry shoal]

remade the metal paneling material

probably too dark but otherwise fairly happy with it

[dusk trail]

Idk about the others but that to me feels a bit... shiny I guess is how I could put it

Also a bit dark yeah

[dry shoal]

hmm so lighten the color, make it more rough

[dusk trail]

Maybe

Also I'd probably tone the normal hight down just a smidge, looks like it's be near impossible to walk on without tripping lol

[static mason]

Idk I kinda think it's neat

But I played this game once before

[dry shoal]

it's not the normal, it's just the height. But I think that's good feedback

other than that, ya'll can't tell me I didn't cook with the sediment across it

[static mason]

Lego brick hight maps

[dry shoal]

this is the exact same material as the walls btw, so it's accurate

[dusk trail]

Dirt is a nice touch ja

[static mason]

I tried to view the image and my phone died

[dusk trail]

Rip

[dry shoal]

discord and being stuck at 0% image loading. Name a more iconic duo

okay well now that I'm actually close to done with this material and know what to do, I will simply play games and do it later

[static mason]

Youalreadyknow.gif

[dry shoal]

ok on close inspection I also might take the pattern out of the heightmap entirely, so it's just the normal and basecolor showing it

[dusk trail]

You made a mistake saying that lmao

Almost being done part that is

[dry shoal]

nah trust

I have exact things to look at

I know what direction to go

[analog wedge]

oh the pcb integration is so tasty

[analog wedge]

In case it's supposed to be artificial, stalagtites might be out of place, but I think they'd look cool none the less.

[dry shoal]

I think stalactites might be doable, but to be totally honest I don't trust myself to execute that well. I suspect if I add that it'll be very late in the project as bonus detail

[dry shoal]

Alright gamers, time to work on some SWRC Remixing while I wait for Dragons Dogma 2 to compile shaders on my ROG Ally

[dry shoal]

fuck yeah

before and after baby

[static mason]

Swag

and peak

[static mason]

Glow up

[dry shoal]

thanks ya'll. I knew the material I was working on had potential. Now it's been realized

here's the original texture for reference, though this is upscaled

so pretty damn faithful

[dusk trail]

Hell yeah I knew you could do it, looks way better

[dry shoal]

I'll take that as a seal of approval

[dusk trail]

From me yeah

[dry shoal]

my next major task will be remaking the backpacks for the commandos. The backpacks specifically because they're easily replaceable in Remix, don't need to go to UE2 and the associated hastle so it's a good test

[severe flare]

slay queen

[dusk trail]

💅

https://tenor.com/view/yasss-cardi-b-dance-mood-yas-gurl-yass-gif-17544083

[dry shoal]

there appears to be a regression that breaks Republic Commando, has to be a build between 0.5.1 mainline and the latest actions. Just did an update on the runtime, reset the shader cache, and I get a white screen into a CTD in subsequent runs after the initial one

same issue occurs on this build from 4 days ago

working my way backwards

the "capture image testing" build works, so the "ImproveVisibilityTest" build is where the regression comes from that's causing the crashing to desktop on any subsequent runs @royal sonnet

however the "Capture image testing" build also has serious performance regressions over 0.5.1. It also crashes after a few minutes of play

and the build before that one, "hdremix-maintenance" doesn't even work on first run. Just white screen into CTD

this build also crashes after a few minutes of play. However the performance regression wasn't seen on this one

well fuck me I guess. Going back to 0.5.1 mainline continues to have the white screen -> CTD. Doesn't make sense to me. I would say it might be on my end if the behaviors were consistent between versions but it wasn't. Some worked better than others, now it doesn't work at all on mainline

this is a headache and a half. I'm done for the night

damn dealing with this plus asset creation plus implementing via the toolkit is a ton

I need a beer. And I don't even drink

[burnt light]

sorry that happened 😦

[dry shoal]

No worries. These things happen sometimes

I suppose this is a lesson in "if it isn't that broke, don't fix it"

Lol

[burnt light]

😢

[dry shoal]

reverting to standard 0.5.0 fixed it

[dry shoal]

turns out the captured meshes from remix suck dick to work with compared to the originals

so for meshes I plan to improve instead of redo, I'll be using the original static meshes

[static mason]

Lookin good

Light angles can change a single scene

[severe flare]

I’m still not over how sexy and 3D lookin that cave wall texture is

[modern isle]

😉

[royal sonnet]

That sort of behavior makes me think it's just down to random chance, and the variable you're changing doesn't actually matter.

Were you changing out the bridge when you were trying different versions?

hmm, I had 2 notifications for this channel, but I can only find one mention. Did I miss a post somewhere?

[dry shoal]

Each time I tried a different remix runtime I ran it at least two or three times, since with some the first launch would work and subsequent ones would not. Reverting back to 0.5.0 fixed it entirely, though it's not impossible it was just wild coincidence. I didn't change out the bridge version, no. I was using the latest bridge action build when going between runtime versions

As for the notifications, I just accidentally tagged you twice is all. Deleted the msg since that's all it was

[royal sonnet]

0.5.0 and 0.5.1 builds should come with bridge packaged in, so when happens when you use the 0.5.0 bridge with the latest runtime?

(or the 0.5.1 bridge?)

[dry shoal]

You're totally right, those mainline builds must've overwritten the latest bridge I was using previously. They were the last two versions I tested so thankfully they're somewhat isolated rather than it all being a mix of bridge versions. Later I'll test using the 0.5.0 bridge (since I know 100% that it works) paired with the latest runtime action. Will let you know the results

[royal sonnet]

If you can narrow it down to a specific build of the bridge, that would make it a lot easier for us to track down exactly what's gone wrong

so thanks for doing so much digging!

[dry shoal]

Since I know I can revert back at any time I'm more than willing to do some experimenting 👍 thankfully since this is relating to recent builds it shouldn't take all that long

[royal sonnet]

there should be a lot fewer bridge builds than runtime builds, too

[dry shoal]

Even better. Will tag ya if/when I find something of use

[proven vessel]

still working on this nice

[dry shoal]

yep, though it's beginning to drive me a little crazy lol

[static mason]

https://tenor.com/view/hide-the-pain-harold-gif-10576512

real timelaps of auto working on this

[dry shoal]

new room completed

[dry shoal]

using the 0.5.0 bridge with the latest runtime mostly works, but has a consistent crash on transition to the second level. Didn't see this behavior in the runtime bundled with 0.5.0

set up a quicksave just before the level transition so testing should be quick

level transition worked on the second latest runtime

but it crashed on alt tab

^runtime #566

runtime #565 has a consistent crash on level transition. So at the very least, some change between those two runtime versions fixed the crashing from #565. For reference, the latest time I tested this a couple days ago, #565 was the latest build

to summarize the immediate findings ->

dxvk-remix #565 has a consistent crash on level transition
dxvk-remix #566 does not have this issue
dxvk-remix #567 has the issue again of a consistent crash on level transition

*attached screenshot shows the builds being referred to in relation to other recent actions. Once again, the build in the middle (of the bracket) does work, the builds before and after have a consistent crash. For each test I was using the 0.5.0 bridge.

@royal sonnet

Tomorrow I can also see about the difference between bridge versions when sticking to 0.5.0's dxvk

[royal sonnet]

crashing on alt tab is a known bug - which should have been fixed in dxvk-remix build 555
565 and 566.. have nothing at all to do with stability or anything like that - they're very simple changes. I don't see how it could possibly cause any change of behavior here.

[dry shoal]

Is it possible it's something relating to the bridge then? Because if there's a consistent behavior then surely something's behind it I would imagine

[royal sonnet]

well from the sound of it, 0.5.0 by itself works correctly, 0.5.1 by itself gets crashes?

going too far separate in dxvk vs bridge might cause problems, since some changes to one may depend on changes to the other. how does 0.5.0 bridge with 0.5.1 dxvk behave?

[dry shoal]

0.5.1 gave me crashing but it was a CTD at launch, so different then what I found the other day between those 3 DXVK actions

[royal sonnet]

so 0.5.0 works, 0.5.1 CTD at launch, head gives a crash on loading a specific level?

[dry shoal]

DXVK actions #565 and #567 gave crashing on a level transition consistently, paired with the 0.5.0 bridge. I didn't double check to see if it applies to all level transitions or just that specific map. And yeah, 0.5.1 gives a CTD. Ran it 3 or 4 times and it kept happening

[royal sonnet]

what happens with head dxvk, head bridge? the same crash on level transition

Is anything printing in any of the logs when the level transition starts?

[dry shoal]

When I ran both the bridge and DXVK on their latest versions (via the auto downloader, latest was #565 at the time) I recall having a CTD on launch every time after the initial run.

[royal sonnet]

so any bridge 0.5.1 and head has a CTD on launch, while bridge 0.5.0 lets you through that, only to get a crash on level transition.

every time after the initial run.
that probably means there's something getting cached in an invalid state

I think you're going to need to file a github ticket. Possibly two tickets, since I'm guessing the level transition is unrelated to the CTD on launch.

Again, is there anything in the logs for any of these?

[dry shoal]

There likely is, but I won't be at my PC for another few hours to give you the direct information. I know I have more than a few bridge crash dumps in my .trex folder from what I was running into, but I doubt that tells you much

[royal sonnet]

yeah, I think at this point it'd be good to write it all up in a single place (ideally a ticket) so it can be passed off to someone working on the bridge. It sounds like there was a change in the bridge between 0.5.0 and 0.5.1 that introduced the CTD

[dry shoal]

If I do more testing to get it as specific as possible, I'll try and pass it on 🫡 don't wanna give something too vague to quickly evaluate it

---

For something directly related to the development of the SWRC Remix project, I just got a custom Remix-targeted mod sent to me by the biggest modder in the SWRC scene. I won't be too specific since I've yet to see how far I could push this, but it could significantly aid with how much I can add within a shorter period of time. Namely things that I may have otherwise needed to do tons of tedious level editing/emitter scripting in Unreal Engine 2 to accomplish. If I can, I'd like to put out at least one result of this Remix-targeted mod in the near future

[dry shoal]

next modeling challenge will be this door. I plan on modeling in all the details from the texture

[dry shoal]

working on it

[dry shoal]

physically modeling the proximity sensor

even adding slots for the legs attaching it to the outer frame

(not done ofc)

[dusk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894745592507551840/1247799936624492604/1032426405092393000.gif

[severe flare]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894745592507551840/1247799936624492604/1032426405092393000.gif

[dry shoal]

[modern isle]

there's a lot of spit and drooling going on here

[static mason]

[dry shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

Do you think my door has potential Mr rune

[modern isle]

https://tenor.com/view/you-got-a-good-future-ahead-of-you-howie-mandel-canadas-got-talent-your-future-is-bright-good-things-will-come-your-way-gif-25376301

[dry shoal]

No more doomer posting

The modeling demon is back

[dusk trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894745592507551840/1247799936624492604/1032426405092393000.gif

[hardy quail]

you are improving

[dry shoal]

Thanks! Still got a long way to go though

[dry shoal]

more models that are improved versions of the originals. There are more than a few assets that don't need the fanciest geo, and improving the existing model is quite fast and reliable

[dry shoal]

Star Wars

[static mason]

no star wars