Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare

[upper rampart]

I've seen games where flashes work fine

[timid salmon]

you did not update the game build right?

[upper rampart]

It's what steam gave me

[timid salmon]

no I mean the rtx branch (github actions)

[upper rampart]

I downloaded it today

I also updated from the link you gave me

[timid salmon]

I've made a mistake with the debug light array thats why light 4 and up have weird color values

[upper rampart]

That still doesn't explain the crash

[timid salmon]

the gui basically writes to wrong memory

[neon bronze]

dudes watching DF

[upper rampart]

Always have been

[timid salmon]

shouldnt happen with the build I've pushed an hour ago

[upper rampart]

huh

weird

It's this link right?

I just downloaded

[timid salmon]

all color values should be default at 1 1 1 and not some random values like in the video

odd, did you forgot to overwrite the dll? 😂

[upper rampart]

uh

This is the 4th time I'm updating

[timid salmon]

you didnt copy the file there

the left one is definitely newer

[upper rampart]

I may be stupid

[timid salmon]

happens to the best of us 😜
you can also do bind F5 devgui

Just noticed that hashes change when ADS'ing 🫣

its because I still had r_dof_enable set to 1. The game does a prepass for depth of field then

[upper rampart]

You know what'd be real good

More light slots and an option to save and auto load from a file

Wait

[timid salmon]

Yea I thought about that

[upper rampart]

You could just use ov for that

[timid salmon]

true

[upper rampart]

nvm

OV would be better

Actually

Although

There's one strange problem

The normals seem strange

Even without fullbright

Look at how lights affect the surface in this

That's not how a flat surface should respond to light

There's a visible curve to the light in the direction of the camera

Like it's being smooth shaded in a weird way

I'm gonna post that video on yt

Looks really good

Well

Looks good enough

[timid salmon]

yea I'm not sure why remix has an issue with this game when it comes to normals. Interpolated normals are flickery and the shading normal kinda changes with view direction

The closer you are the worse it gets

[upper rampart]

yeah

It's weird

Shading normals should not look like this

I threw the video on yt because why not

https://youtu.be/c60JMLanU8E

Looked really moody

[timid salmon]

🔥

[upper rampart]

Hopefully this will take people's minds off Need for speed

[neon bronze]

This is enough to stir up some level of hype, looks shit but atleast remix works with cod4 now

[upper rampart]

"Looks shit"

STFU

[neon bronze]

Tell me I'm wrong

Your silence answers a lot 🐀

[neon bronze]

@upper rampart can you change the SkyDome texture?

[upper rampart]

Maybe

[timid salmon]

#1135531755764453477 message

[upper rampart]

idk ho xoxo set them up

[timid salmon]

so it just needs 1 huge sphere right?

[upper rampart]

Yes

One normal unwrapped sphere

[neon bronze]

And then mark as sky textures

It projects it at an infinite point

[upper rampart]

Yeah, just put a temp texture on it and then replace in ov

Or you could do it in-game but not recommended

[fluid coral]

you cant mark a mesh replacement as sky, have to do it in game

[fluid coral]

i've got a bug on git hub about it

just spawn one in level script

[neon bronze]

Hopefully cod 2 things (like the spinning SkyDome) can be transferred over to cod 4

[fluid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-my-idea-bucky-bailey-nick-jabs-south-park-s16e5-gif-23110625

if the xmodels work in cod4 i'll just pop them here for use

[upper rampart]

@timid salmon Can culling be disabled via a command?

[fluid coral]

@wide moth has done a fantastic job on the script this weekend, i'll get a video recorded when i get chance you can change spinning skys with a press of a button

[neon bronze]

Tie it with game clock or system clock so it matches with whatever time zone you are in

[fluid coral]

no more idea's for you

[timid salmon]

In-game in cod4, no. You can in cod5. Why?

[upper rampart]

Remix crashes when loading maps with lots of models

Also volumetric lighting is broken. Tho it could just be remix. I never understood this part of remix anyways

[timid salmon]

imagine: https://youtu.be/PlCpgC3jPcM?si=A6uylDFWINYmwiKt&t=405 🫣

[fluid coral]

that does look lovely

[timid salmon]

huh never had that happen to me (volumetrics).
Setting r_lodscalerigid to some higher setting might help

[upper rampart]

Capture the result of this skybox as a cubemap and then project it on a sphere with a simple ff shader.

uhhh

Then make a debug distant light

And then make in follow the sun angle and color

And uhh

This sounds stupid

But who knows

[fluid coral]

distant lights dont move

[upper rampart]

Talking about it being handled game-side

[fluid coral]

does remix pick that up?

[upper rampart]

Yes

It picks up point lights moving around

Not sure about distant lights

But it couldn't be that different

[fluid coral]

what a fancy tool you've made xoxor, lovely stuff

[upper rampart]

This is the culmination of years of work done on a dead game because

because

uhhh

idk why one would do that

[timid salmon]

I'm not sure either

[upper rampart]

yeah

[timid salmon]

Thanks! Its really simple stuff tho 😜

[fluid coral]

cause its very cool

[foggy bison]

[timid salmon]

no ov

[foggy bison]

Can we get that in WaW easily?

[fluid coral]

is it still hdr without it?

[timid salmon]

its not hdr no

[timid salmon]

Should be doable. I have yet to fully implement it in cod4 tho. Its currently within the mapfile and I want to spawn it via an imgui button no matter what map or mod

[shrewd jetty]

there is one thing.......its Black Ops 4

[timid salmon]

rotation is a bit bumpy. Probably caused by floating point imprecision

[foggy bison]

Damn

[fluid coral]

You won't have it move that fast normally though will ya. Looks great

[timid salmon]

oooo what if I render the day and night cycle shader to a texture at runtime and then use that 🫣

[fluid coral]

My lord

[foggy bison]

For Remix, if you BC6U and adjust the exposure down you can use the HDR sky ability

Oh and use an actual HDRI of course

[upper rampart]

That's....

What I said

[timid salmon]

oooh I read it like: grab a shot and use that as a static texture 🫣

[timid salmon]

mood

[upper rampart]

Are those lights custom?

[timid salmon]

Yes 👍🏻

[green cliff]

Started this thread 5 months ago and seeing the progress you guys have is mind blowing

If you guys need any help with creating modern materials or meshes lmk, would love to contribute where I can

[upper rampart]

Then start doing it

it ain't a organised effort yet

it's a free for all

Do whatever you want

[gaunt atlas]

there's probably a reason they haven't yet

[upper rampart]

Yeah, the game isn't super stable

[shrewd jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/ohgod-se7en-seven-ragadi-ragadiyt-gif-12174930082589848240

[gaunt atlas]

anyone have a good rtx.conf file? i wanted to mess around with it

[neon bronze]

hold on I think someone shared some settings with dvars

@gaunt atlas start here

[glacial prawn]

Hello guys, CoD4 RTX looking good, but I have a question. Can RTX Remix working on 1.8 patch, or his working only on iw3xo?

[neon bronze]

iw3xo for now

Modded client required

[glacial prawn]

Understand, thanks

[hollow panther]

why didn't you just use white

[woeful pewter]

@timid salmon now we can just replace CoD4's assets with MWR and it'll be golden lmao

[shrewd jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/valve-valve-guy-half-life-half-life2-portal-gif-24740578

Sounds like an idea

for getting lawsuits

[fluid coral]

Sounds like your goading someone into copyright infringement so you have a pretty game to play

[woeful pewter]

Taking it seriously

[upper rampart]

always being on edge

Chill, bro

[timid salmon]

Flashlight 😂
Moving fast gets the light stuck tho

[odd marsh]

flashlight is ontop of the gun also 😂

[timid salmon]

headlight

[upper rampart]

Hey @timid salmon since you have the game basically reversed engineered completely, maybe you can do something with the remix api

#general-remix message

[timid salmon]

Well it looks like the api is made for 64bit processes so not of much use for most remix compatible games? Or I'm missing something 🫣

[upper rampart]

You're probably missing something

They wouldn't make a tool for x32 programs x64 only.

[timid salmon]

Well the struct size checks expect a pointer to be 8 bytes and not 4 like on x86
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/458b0103da437813009a52d0d49914f40de07bc2/public/include/remix/remix.h#L338C15-L338C15

[upper rampart]

hmm

Interesting

Try asking some nv dev on monday

[fluid coral]

🎶 it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas 🎶 🤶

[neon bronze]

I'm going to pretend as if I understand what you just said

[timid salmon]

A pointer points to a memory address where the actual object is located at. 64bit has a larger address space then 32 bit thus you need 8 bytes to represent every possible address.
On 32 bit you only need 4 bytes to do that.

struct
{
    MaterialInfoTranslucentEXT()                                     // 4
    {
        sType = REMIXAPI_STRUCT_TYPE_MATERIAL_INFO_TRANSLUCENT_EXT;  // 4
        pNext = nullptr;                                             // 4 (8 bytes on 64 bit - pointer holds a memory address)
        transmittanceTexture = {};                                   // 4 (8 bytes on 64 bit - pointer holds a memory address))
        refractiveIndex = 1.3f;                                      // 4
        transmittanceColor = { 0.97f, 0.97f, 0.97f };                // 4 + 4 + 4
        transmittanceMeasurementDistance = 1.0f;                     // 4
        thinWallThickness_hasvalue = false;                          // 4 (actually 1 byte but with 3 padding bytes)
        thinWallThickness_value = 0.001f;                            // 4
        useDiffuseLayer = false;                                     // 4 (actually 1 byte but with 3 padding bytes)
        static_assert(sizeof remixapi_MaterialInfoTranslucentEXT == 56);
    }
}

[neon bronze]

ok now I can understand a little

[foggy bison]

Have decals and effects been figured out for either CoD 4 or WaW yet? 👀

[timid salmon]

Effects are pretty much good in cod4. Some are broken and need to be ignored / fixed tho.
Decals are still a no-go

[timid salmon]

@fluid coral @wide moth Just need to get rid of the attached weapons now 🫣

[fluid coral]

omg thats brilliant!

[timid salmon]

shouldn't be hard to apply to cod2 as well

[fluid coral]

that REALLY elevates the render don't it. it's like you don't know its missing until you see it there

[neon bronze]

Just gotta cull these extra weapons and we Gucci

Can't we select these textures of 3rd person weapon models and do something with it to make them disappear?

[timid salmon]

they are using the same material so doing that also hides the first person weapon

also .. if I add the player model flag to the player materials ... other players will be invisible as well right?

[woeful pewter]

Probably only that specific model

[timid salmon]

or is that what this is for?

so it only hides them near the camera?

oh yes indeed

[fluid coral]

you're quicker than i can type 😛

[timid salmon]

so other players shouldnt be a problem then

[neon bronze]

wait so, did it fix the extra weapons hanging mid air?

[timid salmon]

wait maybe

yes

[neon bronze]

Checking the create virtual instances box solves it?

[timid salmon]

did not have the viewmodel setting enabled (because of the quake 3 plasma gun .. it did not cast its emissive light into the scene probably with view models enabled :D)

[neon bronze]

self shadowing is a blessing 🙌

[fluid coral]

turns shadows off for guns and arms as well which is perfect, unless you're playing as an octopus

[timid salmon]

🔥

now I need to create the hooks for that so I dont have to re-do that with cheat engine 😄

[fluid coral]

oh well done mate thats bang on

is that the nv chess set? 😛

[timid salmon]

https://polyhaven.com/a/chess_set

[fluid coral]

oh having that. ta 🙂

[neon bronze]

@fluid coral do you have self shadowing in cod 2 as well?

[fluid coral]

noooothing like this but if kamil fancies the challenge and xoxor4d said it's possible i'd welcome it for sure. looks amazing

we just got arms if we want em 😛 floating arms

[neon bronze]

I must say that the shadow from the 3rd person model looks mismatched from the viewmodel one when you proned

[timid salmon]

yea well because it is

[fluid coral]

btw @timid salmon are your character hashes stable? what about guns? might be able to replace characters and weapons if they are

[timid salmon]

first person and third person do not match up 1:1

[timid salmon]

rigid (non moving) parts of the gun have stable hashes

magazines etc not, players are also unstable

[fluid coral]

same for cod2, cheers mate

[neon bronze]

We have to give xoxor4d the ray traced "working" scope to try it out with the sniper rifle

[fluid coral]

oh yea it was awful to play with but worked

[neon bronze]

last time I saw it, we had a magnification of 4 times

[fluid coral]

https://youtu.be/1sinEkQnY5I
yea here you are

[neon bronze]

oh yeah this is amazing

[wide moth]

How

[timid salmon]

I'm hindering game logic from entering third person logic

but keeping the model drawing functions

[wide moth]

So you just need to find the right offsets for cod2 as well?

[timid salmon]

yup

really easy to do. You just string search for cg_thirdPerson and xref to where it registers the dvar. You then xref the dvar pointer and find this:

then you just xref cgArray.renderingThirdPerson and basically invert the logic everywhere its used except the parts where it draws the player model

[wide moth]

I wonder why fov is very low with that one

In my lens formations, -although not very successful at magnifying- the image was covering the whole eyepiece

[fluid coral]

i slapped the model on the m1 grand, its just far away 😛

[wide moth]

I think Adam did something else 👀

[wide moth]

All this stuff sounds like black magic to me :D

[wide moth]

I think the shotgun aims a bit higher

it doesn't align the sight, looks down slightly elevated

we could slap a scope onto that instead

[timid salmon]

I'll look for the offsets in cod2 in a few minutes 👍🏻

[wide moth]

Didn't knew this existed

[timid salmon]

well I knew about it but I wasnt sure what its used for .. until now 😂

[timid salmon]

custom but broken fixed-function rendering of static meshes 😜
Could help with mesh replacements I guess

[gaunt atlas]

are hashes stable? ish 😛

[timid salmon]

Completely stable yes. But they already were even with shaders 👍🏻

[wide moth]

This could improve the performance tho

[timid salmon]

That might be a nice side effect indeed. I have to figure out why the texture coordinates are all wrong. Remix also fails to produce shading normals for some reason

interpolated normal

[upper rampart]

Gotta figure out the shading normals somehow

[patent cradle]

i want to see geometry hash debug mode

[timid salmon]

same behavior with shaders

[patent cradle]

[timid salmon]

most of the vertex information of static model surfaces are packed (normal, texture coords) so they take up less space. Fine with shaders but not compatible with fixed functions. I guess I have to unpack stuff first and create my own vertex buffer

[patent cradle]

maybe we can do skinned meshes too? 🥺

[timid salmon]

I'm not gonna touch these
Thats waay beyond my skill level

[upper rampart]

I mean

That's what you think

[timid salmon]

[foggy bison]

Vertex explosion

[fluid coral]

get the most of your polygons by stretching them across you're whole map.

[upper rampart]

Looks about right

[timid salmon]

Oh shit it works. I successfully downgraded the game

[shrewd jetty]

Yay!

[timid salmon]

Never expected perfomance to improve sooo much

Comparing the same spot with a lot of grass and trees:
Fixed-function: almost a steady 45 standing still, ~40 when moving the camera
Shader: ~32 standing still, going down to ~19 when moving the camera

[wide moth]

This is mind blowing

[wide moth]

Yep, shaders really hurt performance

[neon bronze]

We're vertex shaders completely disabled?

is that what is causing performance increase

42fps still a nice uplift

wonder how a 4090 will fair

[timid salmon]

Not completely no. World geometry (brushes/terrain) still uses shaders.
Static meshes are rendered using fixed-function now

[foggy bison]

I really need to get my install of cod4 up and running

[wide moth]

How much work it took, this is mind blowing

[timid salmon]

it wasn't as bad as I initially thought. Well worth the 6 hours of reversing and coding 😜

[wide moth]

You're a genius

[neon bronze]

only if single player worked

[timid salmon]

I'll work on that soon after a bit of refacing. It might need a new codebase tho. Not sure about that yet

[neon bronze]

can you lay down some of the challenges one might have to get sp working? like what is the root cause of remix incompatibility with single player

i was guessing maybe it was the excessive use of shaders

[foggy bison]

SP uses a different rendering library and executable in CoDs

Have to take all the work from MP and translate it again to get to work in SP.

[neon bronze]

i need to see captain price with his cigar lit up by path tracing

[upper rampart]

play mw19

[neon bronze]

i got the cracked mp version but it naht work

[timid salmon]

Same issue that mp has with not finding a camera. There is no fundamental difference between sp and mp besides map sizes and the amount of meshes (which will overwhelm the runtime).

Getting my changes from mp -> sp will require a lot of rewriting and reversing the single player binary to get the correct memory offsets (what Adam mentioned)

[neon bronze]

hmm, it would be better to sort out MP branch first then move on to SP

[upper rampart]

Someon'e sgotta make a sacrifice for the greater good

[foggy bison]

I do have next week mostly off 👀

[upper rampart]

But do you know how to fix sp?

[foggy bison]

If it’s anything like CoD2 (which it isn’t) it’ll just take me a few minutes (months)

[upper rampart]

Then just go fix culling in nfs

[timid salmon]

needs a speedrun of iw3sp.exe in ida first

after unpacking the exe

[foggy bison]

Too bad I have a newer version of Ida

[neon bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/banners/542707440953720832/a_a01ce2afb7d5a46d5509bb06b5c65c65.gif?size=480

[timid salmon]

still on 7.5 because ppc support

[foggy bison]

Oh yea all the consoles from 7th gen (except the 360?) were PowerPC.

[timid salmon]

360 as well

[foggy bison]

Didn’t know the Xeon was PPC at one point

[neon bronze]

i guess iw4 (mw2) is out of question with remix

[timid salmon]

nah mw2 should be fine

[neon bronze]

are there any substantial upgrades to the engine from iw3 to iw4?

was wondering if it was even remotely possible to have mw2 with remix

👀

[foggy bison]

Anything is possible given enough time

[neon bronze]

CheyTac M200 360 noscope with path tracing wen

[foggy bison]

Just spend a few years learning reverse engineering and it’ll be possible.

[foggy bison]

2030s if you start learning now I suppose.

[timid salmon]

iw4 is almost completely reversed and game structs were leaked which makes it rather easy I'd say

The renderer isn't really different to the one in iw3

and shaders are mostly sm2

[foggy bison]

I wonder if the core is still similar to CoD2, which is based on RtCW(?)

[timid salmon]

oh yeah definitely

[upper rampart]

Anything is possible giving we convince xoxor to get onboard

[woeful pewter]

Far as I'm aware, even in MW19's version of IW it is, in a very small amount lmao

[upper rampart]

Where's the rest of it

[foggy bison]

Just feed the shaders to chaptgpt and tell it to make them SM1

[upper rampart]

Give it to me

[foggy bison]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Quake_-_family_tree.svg

[upper rampart]

svg

[foggy bison]

[woeful pewter]

Bro loves his scalable vector graphics

[foggy bison]

What happened with Black Ops that they just left it abandoned

[neon bronze]

Hating Onions

[upper rampart]

I will be very happy if this game starts working

[wide moth]

I do

[wide moth]

Use https://github.com/nomacs/nomacs, it opens everything

[timid salmon]

I can finally replace all the meshes at once

[upper rampart]

Chess

[timid salmon]

There is a new build if someone wants to try: https://github.com/xoxor4d/iw3xo-dev/actions

[foggy bison]

Wild how far Chess titans has gotten

[foggy bison]

I will be tonight

[woeful pewter]

Ay xoxor is there a way to not have it force me into 640x480 when loading? It's very annoying Nevermind, got it fixed, have to change all vid settings before outting the rtx stuff in

However this presents a new issue

There is a man inside of me

[foggy bison]

Yea mark the player character as player model

[woeful pewter]

How do I select the playermodel to mark it? Through the list or is there an easier way? There was

That is fucking scary

[foggy bison]

Wet work and Chinatown look like they’ll be fun to remix

Does water cause the game to crash like it does in CoD5?

[woeful pewter]

I'm gonna be honest, I'm excited about winter crash lmao

[woeful pewter]

Will check

[foggy bison]

Winter crash?

[woeful pewter]

Yeah? The christmas version of Crash lol

[foggy bison]

Ohhh I played on console so I never got that map

[woeful pewter]

Awwww you missed out

[foggy bison]

I wondered where xoxor got that candy cane.

[woeful pewter]

Was in MWR tho too, on consoles as well, was pretty sick

[foggy bison]

MWR was past my time

[upper rampart]

How big is he?

[woeful pewter]

EYES.

👁️ 👁️

I can't get rid of them

[foggy bison]

Adds charm

[woeful pewter]

Oh also yeah, wetwork

[foggy bison]

Oh thank god

Wonder if I can use the sprite texture thing to get animated water.

[woeful pewter]

Bruh.

Oooo

I do wonder why this is invisible though

[foggy bison]

Prob some thing with how the texture is. Might be an alpha texture that needs marked as a decal

[woeful pewter]

HELL YEAH NOW WE GOT SHADES

My dumb-ass just tried sliding.

[upper rampart]

Modern cod player

[woeful pewter]

😭

Any guesses as to what this shadow is

I know what it is

But if anyone is wrong there will be DIRE CONSEQUENCES

[upper rampart]

It's a shadow casted by the sun

[woeful pewter]

But I'm asking what is creating the shadow, not what the shadow itself is

[upper rampart]

Ur head

[woeful pewter]

WHY IS THERE SNOW

[woeful pewter]

INCORRECT.

[upper rampart]

Shit

[neon bronze]

Sweet Jesus muffins

[foggy bison]

Christmas came early

||Did I already ask if decals work yet? My bad if I already did. ||

[timid salmon]

no 😦

[foggy bison]

Wonder if there’s a way to put them back via a mesh replacement.

Be tedious but I presume it would work

[wide moth]

Replacement decals are a thing

[neon bronze]

Hear me out

POM decals

🔥

[upper rampart]

Think that's possible

[timid salmon]

@neon bronze @foggy bison I've speedrun sp = https://github.com/xoxor4d/iw3sp-mod-rtx. It "works" and even has fixed-function rendering of static models. Some maps might still outright crash due to their complexity tho

[foggy bison]

[upper rampart]

He's cooking

[fluid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-huh-offended-what-disgusted-gif-3477332

is that carentan!

[foggy bison]

Chinatown is mp_carentan in 4

[fluid coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thegrinch-theaudacity-gif-19711263

[foggy bison]

Wait I just realized something

That's why

[fluid coral]

if we only remaster this map then remix discord will look like a Carentan tribute server

[foggy bison]

It's Carentan and Chess is the only thing remixed

Nothing else allowed

Oh finally. I was able to batch convert all the IWIs to DDS.

I had to keep doing it in bunches of 300 or so for CoD WaW

Thought this would go fast not going to lie

[woeful pewter]

Relatively speaking it is fast :D

[fluid coral]

i've been processing a scan for the past 2 days 😛

[foggy bison]

Processing a can for the past 2 days
Might wanna see a doctor for that

[fluid coral]

it's nearly out

its crowning

i can see the pull tab when i bend over a mirror

[woeful pewter]

BRO LMAO

[foggy bison]

[gaunt atlas]

chaiNNer has a major bottleneck in the iterator unfortunately. no real way around it currently

it's still the best option for batch processing images despite it though. hopefully a magical solution pops up one day 😛

[timid salmon]

Don’t try to mantle something with fixed-function mode enabled 😂

[foggy bison]

Whatcha mean

[woeful pewter]

Fix function = no climb :D

[foggy bison]

As in you can't climb ladders?

[woeful pewter]

Think he means over walls and sandbags and whatnot

Like where it does the anim for the hop over

[foggy bison]

Noted

[woeful pewter]

Ooooooooooooo

[foggy bison]

Will return tonight for more

[woeful pewter]

Man the way the lights look outside is fucking sick with that red glow

[neon bronze]

@foggy bison can you try loading up sp?

[upper rampart]

How many photos??

[woeful pewter]

At least 1

[foggy bison]

Some say he's still taking them

[upper rampart]

Hm

Interesting

[timid salmon]

I've fixed the issue with world rendering going crazy when mantling or using cg_drawgun 0 😂

• The game now "warms" (build the index/vertex buffers) for all loaded xmodels when the map loads so it should stutter even less 👍🏻

[neon bronze]

its a start...

wow this is honestly amazing

bruhh

[timid salmon]

faked motion blur 😜

[neon bronze]

what are those white squares btw

fake light sources?

[timid salmon]

most certainly fog / smoke effects

[neon bronze]

ah

thank you xoxor4d

few months ago this was not possible

[timid salmon]

[neon bronze]

you gotta invert normals ig

[timid salmon]

I have no clue why they look like that in sp

[neon bronze]

can you check those colored view hashes? are they stable

especially on NPCs

[timid salmon]

skinned meshes are not stable

[timid salmon]

now the geometry is also rendered using fixed-function

[woeful pewter]

That mean geo-replacements are possible now? 👀

[timid salmon]

yea should be possible

[woeful pewter]

Fucking based

[neon bronze]

based asf

[timid salmon]

Kinda funny .. When I first heard about remix and it requiring a game using the fixed-function pipeline, I instantly thought about backporting parts of cod4's renderer so that it uses the fixed function pipeline for rendering.
I quickly gave up on that because I did not find a lot of resources on older d3d techniques and all my attempts didn't go so well. Only got back to remix because I heard that it supports vertex shaders. I've gone full circle now 😂

[woeful pewter]

in an alternate timeline

[timid salmon]

[upper rampart]

Pretty much

[neon bronze]

@timid salmon hmm, I suppose it's also possible to get WaW single player running too 👀

[upper rampart]

[timid salmon]

huh that already works

[woeful pewter]

^

[upper rampart]

#1165264083554148482

[timid salmon]

It just doenst have the latest and greatest features but it works

[neon bronze]

zambies

[woeful pewter]

Yes

Now with RTX™️!

[woeful pewter]

HUH?

[upper rampart]

That's the boykisser

I think

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-you-like-kissing-boys-don't-you-cat-lowpoly-3d-gif-9960745507421464646

[woeful pewter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919788930348499004/1071952439839834132/bubuh.gif

[neon bronze]

uhhh...I'm kind of confused, there's zero footage of that first mission being tested with remix

can't find it

[woeful pewter]

It's because everyone played Zombies with it lmao

[neon bronze]

sorry if it's there

uhhh, yeah that counts as single player ig

Lmao

[timid salmon]

because real sp maps dont work that well because of their complexity

[woeful pewter]

That the same reason Campaign in CoD4 has issues running with remix?

[timid salmon]

Its much better on cod4 with fixed function rendering of models and soon geo

[neon bronze]

nice, thank you for answering

[woeful pewter]

Ahhh right, fair, any chance fixed function can be reintroduced into WaW or we SOL on that front?

[timid salmon]

definitely possible but not having the game`s structures means A LOT of reverse engineering

[woeful pewter]

Need an Avengers-style team lmao

[neon bronze]

I mean we got cod4 partially working so that's enough for now

[woeful pewter]

Oh yeah, absolutely

[proper ether]

imagine telling cod4 graphics devs that worked hard on the shader pipeline and shaders that someone would downgrade it to then run it through a library that raytraces it

[timid salmon]

lmao

[shrewd jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-bump-captain-price-call-of-duty-modern-warfare2-fist-bumping-lets-go-gif-26914196

[woeful pewter]

Hahahah

[shrewd jetty]

All in the name of art

[woeful pewter]

Ay xoxor, petition to make this the official theme of RTX Remix for CoD4 (And it's not copyright infringement because it's already in the game!)

[foggy bison]

Something with the -disable-culling flag causes my renderer to crash once in game :/

Carentan looking good so far though

[proper ether]

kinda dark

[foggy bison]

Still working on it

Also since I can't disable culling, none of the interior lights appear

[upper rampart]

This looks like a vertex color based shadow

[foggy bison]

Nah it's just how the shadow is casted

[proper ether]

load mp_crash instead

carentan is kinda meh on cod4

[foggy bison]

But muh lights

[proper ether]

i mean its ok

but meh

since not mp_crash

[woeful pewter]

Winter crash :D

lw gets crash, adam gets flashy night time lights, you both win :D

[foggy bison]

I mean it's got potential but

[woeful pewter]

Yeah it's not quite supposed to look like that lmao

[fluid coral]

Think this looks great. all those local lights are wicked

[woeful pewter]

Ngl, I think I prefer the darker carentan screenshot as opposed to the lighter one, though obviously it'd be kinda ass to play on lmao

[proper ether]

u could try loading winter/xmas crash like @woeful pewter suggested

it's dark as well + good for this time of year since its xmas 😄 and give same vibe + bit better than carentan

[woeful pewter]

Winter Crash isn't a custom map 🤔

[proper ether]

my bad it isnt

@foggy bison mp_crash_snow

[woeful pewter]

All good, had me a little confused there though lmao

[upper rampart]

Just put a glowing halo around the opponent

[woeful pewter]

Oh like the experimental playlist had in MWIII?

Faint red glowing outline around enemies

[foggy bison]

Whats the command to increase the round time limit?

[woeful pewter]

scr_war_timelimit 0

Assuming you're in TDM

Don't ask why TDM is War in CoD4, I don't get it either

[foggy bison]

Explains why I couldn't find it

[woeful pewter]

Infinity Ward making reasonable, sensible decisions

[woeful pewter]

Can't wait to see Winter Crash looking like this but with RTX lighting 👀

[foggy bison]

Trying to figure out the decal blending before attempting it

[woeful pewter]

Valid

[turbid sundial]

honestly this already looks absolutely amazing even without path tracing, i never knew call of duty 4 could look this good

[woeful pewter]

Well technically it's not CoD4 per-say 💀
That's MWR lmao

[turbid sundial]

ohhhhhhh ok

im a dummy lol sorry

still looks great, absolutely love the sledgehammer branch of the cod engine

what does it look like in call of duty 4?

[woeful pewter]

A lot more flat, mostly, low res too, and not nearly as shiny lmao

[turbid sundial]

do u have an image of the call of duty map?

[woeful pewter]

I can grab one, gimme a minute

[woeful pewter]

Tried to get it as 1:1 as possible

[foggy bison]

This appears to only be on carentan from what I've gathered so far

[woeful pewter]

Weird

[turbid sundial]

it still looks nice tbh

[foggy bison]

[timid salmon]

Your r_lodScaleRigid settings might be to low or its related to a mesh thats just rendered all the time? What I mean is that it might also happen with culling enabled, you'd just need to get close to the broken object

[foggy bison]

Ah, it's likely trying to draw too many models

[timid salmon]

Yea I still have to properly extend that limit. rtx_extend_smodel_drawing is just a hack and can eventually crash the game if it becomes to much

how it should look

my current issue with normals being wrong on fixed-function geo 😬

[foggy bison]

Wonder if that's what causing decals to freak out

[timid salmon]

I dont think so. This is only related to my implementation of fixed function rendering. Decals might work now .. haven't tested that yet

[timid salmon]

[patent cradle]

BLENDING

[upper rampart]

I can confirm that this feature is in fact working

[neon bronze]

Train bending

https://tenor.com/view/bobbycord-esmbot-funny-meme-crossrail-gif-25597721

[fluid coral]

wow decals!

[timid salmon]

enough blending for now .. lets see how that translates to a real map 😂

[neon bronze]

bending works!

nice

[woeful pewter]

Damn I should sleep more, I wake up to shit like this

[foggy bison]

[foggy bison]

What's the secrect to the blending? Did you use a blender?

[woeful pewter]

It looks more like he used a food processor to me but that could just be my eyes

[neon bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/easy-plus-foodie-delicious-homemade-foodiegram-gif-22996178

yeh i think it might be this one

[foggy bison]

Blue

[upper rampart]

He did it

I think

[timid salmon]

Looking good 👍🏻

[timid salmon]

uh ..

[fluid coral]

Yes I've seen that, restart after every decal change you wanna see

[timid salmon]

Why is it increasing the offset when it should wrap at offset index 8?

[upper rampart]

Call of duty ghosts

[neon bronze]

remix will now support fish AI in 0.4 update

https://tenor.com/view/fish-ai-machine-learning-swim-gif-16490430

[woeful pewter]

NO FUCKING WAAAAAAAAY BRO

[foggy bison]

Should I redo the textures for the seaknight?

[woeful pewter]

It is a bit crusty tbf

[foggy bison]

It's got some normal map issues.

Oh hey there's a texel mode for debug view now I guess

[timid salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/banana-spin-blender-gif-25702813

[foggy bison]

Blending

[timid salmon]

mhh these are odd

[foggy bison]

It's something with how remix handles the alpha of them

[timid salmon]

Alright so ignoring that for now

I guess its pretty easy to find decals that are not yet marked as such:

[foggy bison]

They stand out well

[timid salmon]

disabling Stochastic alpha blending also allows them to be selected directly

and disabling / enabling decals then fixes it 👍🏻

[foggy bison]

No more full restart of the game

[timid salmon]

There should be a new gh actions build with decal support in a sec 👍🏻
You need to enable decals / effects each time you start the game as I force them off by default (for now)
https://nightly.link/xoxor4d/iw3xo-dev/workflows/build-rtx-release/rtx/Release-binaries-rtx.zip

[foggy bison]

Once I'm done cleaning up the crash heli model I'll start the fun of marking all the decals

[timid salmon]

oh shit forgot to update the rtx.conf in that build .. anyway:

and then mark decals as

[foggy bison]

Just a tad

[woeful pewter]

Jesus christ lmao

[foggy bison]

Might have to do the @fluid coral method and make most things a decal cause there's no way I'm getting that texel density up

[timid salmon]

Thanks for mentioning that. Its fixed now and new build should be up in a sec

[foggy bison]

[woeful pewter]

OO

[timid salmon]

I think we are almost golden in terms of compatibility right?
The one thing I still have to fix is skinned meshes lagging behind when disabling r_smp_backend. Having that enabled causes really bad lag-spikes for me

[foggy bison]

I think MP is nearing completion.

[woeful pewter]

Whyat's the smp backend?

[timid salmon]

Processes part of the renderer (the backend part of it) in a separate thread

[woeful pewter]

So it's just multithreading the backend of the renderer?

[timid salmon]

50ish fps with it enabled and 70 when off

[timid salmon]

Yea

no clue why having everything on the same thread causes skinned meshes to lag behind so much (thats not an issue in the stock game so seems to be a remix issue)

[foggy bison]

How does sky replacements work? Do I need to replace a certain texture somewhere?

[timid salmon]

Game wise or in omniverse?

[foggy bison]

Whatever lets me toss in an hdri

Perferably game wise since doing it through remix is really wonky

Need a wintery sky for christmas

[woeful pewter]

Also night time 👀

[timid salmon]

well you can spawn the skyspheres using the /devgui. Textures can be found in main/xcommon_rtx.iwd

the game doesnt support hdr files tho 😦

I think .. I might be able to fix that

[foggy bison]

Does it support BC6

[timid salmon]

well the asset converter does not know that format

[foggy bison]

Hm

[timid salmon]

a custom dds <-> iwi converter also fails

[woeful pewter]

Just tell the sky to do the thing

[fluid coral]

Chuck a sphere into the sky, give it a unique texture, capture scene, replace texture with hdri in Omni and mark as sky. Can be HDR DDS then

The sphere you chuck into the sky has it be done in cod with a mod though. I sent @foggy bison my rtx mod with my sphere dome model in cod format didn't i

[foggy bison]

You did, but I don't really know how to do those things.

[fluid coral]

Ah, I am not going to be able to help tonight, I need an early one, busy day tomorrow

[timid salmon]

I think spawning one of my skyspheres (which is the same as spawning it via mod (gsc)) should do the trick as well. You just have to unmark it as sky

then capture the scene

[foggy bison]

Oh those do that?

[fluid coral]

Oh yea that'll do it

[timid salmon]

yea the sphere it spawns is just a generic script_model placed at 0 0 0

yea working fine

[fluid coral]

beach vibes

"lucia, do you know why you're here?"

[timid salmon]

wow a hdri makes a huge difference 🫣

[foggy bison]

Uh I can't find the sphere

[timid salmon]

in omni?

[foggy bison]

in game

[timid salmon]

hovering your mouse over the sky should select the correct texture then

[foggy bison]

There it is

[woeful pewter]

☁️

[woeful pewter]

Gloomy 👀

[foggy bison]

Need to add the christmas lights

[timid salmon]

r_smp_backend 0 & r_skinCache 0 fixes the laggy animated meshes and makes the game run much better 👍🏻

Getting stable 60-70 fps on showdown now

[woeful pewter]

https://vxtwitter.com/MicrosoftEdge/status/1740419662867841489?s=20
My reaction to this information

[shrewd jetty]

im IN LOVE with that sky, i always love such bright and vibrant skies

[timid salmon]

lovely lamp @fluid coral ✨

[fluid coral]

noice noice noice ❤️

[upper rampart]

Floating a little

[woeful pewter]

Nah it's the non-slip feet on the base

[foggy bison]

0/10, everything is placed on the ceiling support structure.

[timid salmon]

broadcast?

[foggy bison]

[woeful pewter]

🤔

[timid salmon]

I just love playing around with textures and lighting 🙏

[foggy bison]

Slowly getting there

[timid salmon]

mw remastered tv with emission map 👍🏻

light them up 😜

[foggy bison]

For some reason my capture shows them all destroyed

[timid salmon]

yea I think they overlay a separate mesh that gets hidden when you shoot it

[foggy bison]

Got the general lighting

[woeful pewter]

Ooooo

[foggy bison]

They end up looking kinda washed out

[timid salmon]

thats still the stock cod4 model right? Atleast the test image part of it

[foggy bison]

I'll add the MWR model sometime soon

Ohhh it's washed out cause I didn't do the gamma thingy

[foggy bison]

Still seems like the gamma is off on the screens

[proper ether]

the gun lighting lookin 🔥 in that screenshot

[fluid coral]

Where did you put your emissive map? Diffuse colour or emissive mask?

[foggy bison]

Both

[fluid coral]

Well I'm out of ideas lol

[foggy bison]

Just gotta gamma it down I suppose

Oh for smoked glass, is it best to just do a noisy normal to get the effect?

[fluid coral]

Never tried it. Was gonna with my lamps but bottled it

[foggy bison]

Eh it sorta worked

Got the gamma adjusted

[fluid coral]

That's better, nice one. Glass is cool too

[woeful pewter]

WHOAAAAAAAAA

Dude the reflections off the table look fucking SICK

[gaunt atlas]

how did you manage that?

[fluid coral]

For the glass rail have you tried the thin wall check box?

[foggy bison]

There's two pieces to the glass so I don't think its thin walled

[fluid coral]

Oh I see fair enough

[foggy bison]

Adjusted the brightness and contrast in the NVTT

[gaunt atlas]

ah, okay. nice work

looks great

[foggy bison]

I tried to do it in chainner but I was feeling lazy

The perlin noise(?) normal map was done in chainner tho

[woeful pewter]

JW, this gonna be your plan for all the models, or just the props?

[foggy bison]

Nope not the plan at all

[woeful pewter]

Ah fair

[shrewd jetty]

Uhm, i don't get it

[upper rampart]

Waiting for no russian rtx

Get to work, xoxor

[timid salmon]

Not before cod4 is 100% working 😜

[timid salmon]

@foggy bison Might have a fix for the constant crashing when spawning.
Leaving culling per portal enabled should be fine for most cases. I guess I'll make a separate flag that disables all surface culling

[shrewd jetty]

If MW2 even will run on Remix

https://tenor.com/view/looking-at-camera-gif-21584936

[upper rampart]

According to xoxor, it should

[foggy bison]

For some reason I thought no Russian was in MW

[timid salmon]

I know that it does 😉

culling can now be tweaked in-game via a dvar
0: default culling
1: will cull less
2: will disable all surface culling

[upper rampart]

Xoxor out here doing god's work

[upper rampart]

Have you figured out the surface normals yet?

[timid salmon]

#1135531755764453477 message

[upper rampart]

ooooohh

So uh

What's left to be done now?

[timid salmon]

Getting it to be a bit more stable .. uh there are still some issues with decals and just general refactoring I guess

[neon bronze]

skinned mesh hashes are not stable i think

[upper rampart]

So almost ready to start replacing.

Now rip assets from mwr and get to working

[upper rampart]

I mean

They aren't in many games

[timid salmon]

Yea that stuff is working fine already. I'd still hold off because hashes might change again depending on whatever I do 😂

[upper rampart]

oh

yeah

just uh

Yeah idk. Do your thing

It's almost ready

Yet another project for adam to pick up before forgetting about it

[foggy bison]

||MW2 ||

[upper rampart]

No

[foggy bison]

[upper rampart]

mw campaign

xoxor did get it running

But I don't think it's up to date with the latest fixes

[foggy bison]

The campaign going to be an interesting one since there’s so much going on graphically

[upper rampart]

Not only that

But also there's a shit ton of objects

For me personally, remix crashes on larger mp maps

So campaign will be interesting

[neon bronze]

yeah i think Modern warfare will be the next remix benchmark

portal already brings 40 series on its knees

[upper rampart]

I was trying to get 3d mark 2k working, but it refuses to let me open the remix menu

[neon bronze]

what wrapper?

[upper rampart]

uh

i don't rember

But it's not a wrapper problem

[neon bronze]

what about logs?

[upper rampart]

No it renders

It's just that I can't set anything up

[timid salmon]

meh completely forgot to check hashes .. I guess that wont work for now as hashes become unstable

[timid salmon]

part 1 of fixed-function xmodel rendering

[foggy bison]

Now you can really no scope on shipment

[timid salmon]

lmao

[proper ether]

stop you're ruining the advanced render engine of cod4 😿

jk continue

[woeful pewter]

Bro is playing TimeSplitters 2

[timid salmon]

aaaaa wtf

[foggy bison]

Try setting it to wumbo

[woeful pewter]

I thought everyone knew that setting it to M for Mini was bad juju

[timid salmon]

mhh this is cursed 🫣

[timid salmon]

Yea I think I'm skipping these types of models for now because I'm having issues with models rendered afterwards.

switching from shadermodel 3 to 2 without restarting the game

[neon bronze]

LSD warfare

[upper rampart]

what thr fuck

[neon bronze]

yrs.

[foggy bison]

[upper rampart]

lamp

[fluid coral]

If you like it then you gotta place a lamp on it

Dem sofa rips though

Looking great

[woeful pewter]

OOOOOOF

That's fucking SICK

[shrewd jetty]

btw if MW2 would work, then i think MW3 should work as well (and boy, i would LOVE to see MW3 remixed)

[shrewd jetty]

oink

[timid salmon]

nice one 👍🏻

[shrewd jetty]

if MW2 Remix will ever happen

[timid salmon]

promo screenshot right here

[shrewd jetty]

promo, huh?

[timid salmon]

[upper rampart]

Ain't the best promo, but you do you

[timid salmon]

player model rendered via fixed function but the orientation completely wrong 😂

and done

[neon bronze]

wait....

Does that mean mesh replacement is possible with player model

[upper rampart]

How're the hashes?

[timid salmon]

No that would require gpu vertex skinning. ^ is just not using shaders to draw the viewmodel / hands

[upper rampart]

ah..

[wide moth]

that feature should be just an "Abracadabra" away for a magician as you
|| I tried to compliment, hope you don't get me wrong||

[stiff thicket]

Just to mention... it shouldn't be that much overhead to add a slightly higher poly mesh using the game's original pipeline, then just replace the materials of it with Remix. That's how we handled Portal's skinned assets, before we had any support for replacing skinned assets. You'll have to be careful with performance, but for hero assets it can absolutely make sense to do

[timid salmon]

debug rendering is somewhat working now 😂

[timid salmon]

Game is running really really smooth now 🙏
Pushed a new update that includes fixed function rendering of models and other tweaks that greatly improve the performance
And its pretty stable (at the cost of not so stable geometry hashes tho)

[gaunt atlas]

an update to the game itself, you mean? great work!

[timid salmon]

Sort of yeah. A client mod 👍🏻

https://github.com/xoxor4d/iw3xo-dev/tree/rtx

[shrewd jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-in-heaven-full-of-joy-ecstatic-joy-full-gif-9833554

This looks SO GOOD

[timid salmon]

Decals are perfect now using the latest changes (REMIX-2454). I always had some small seams at edges where a wall would meet the floor/ceiling and half see through / dithered on random parts of geometry. All gone now

[patent cradle]

yay!

[rigid lantern]

Holy fuck that looks like scene from some game engine

Anyway thats impressive

[timid salmon]

I guess we need third person animations that exactly match the camera location to get good looking reflections 😂

[fluid coral]

have you played the latest cod? your third person shadow and reflection guy looks just as good as that

thats sick, you can see yourself reflected in the lens. so cool!

[timid salmon]

Just need to find a way to keep the model from clipping into the scope 😜

[timid salmon]

not even using any pbr textures (besides gun and arms)

[woeful pewter]

Holy fucking shit

This is... damn

[upper rampart]

If by gun and arms you mean just the lens, then sure

[timid salmon]

nope arms and gun use quickly thrown together pbr materials. It’s only visible at glancing angles tho
(minus the arms, I forgot that I only did this for the marine viewhands)

[upper rampart]

A very unfortunate pvr material

[timid salmon]

almost everything rendered using fixed function in sp too 👍🏻

[neon bronze]

Woah

[fluid coral]

now thats pretty, nice one.

you need to no clip into that room to see the light when the big door opens. bet it looks wicked

[timid salmon]

need to work on the culling of brush models 😂

[wide moth]

What the hell kind of name is Soap

[woeful pewter]

How'd a muppet like him pass selection?

[fluid coral]

daaaaaamn thats sick!

you shot that door for culling didnt you 😛

[timid salmon]

indeed 😂

[timid salmon]

n64 vibes

[woeful pewter]

Bro is a Goldeneye 64 character

[neon bronze]

bro got some sharp knees

[woeful pewter]

Chainsaw leg from that one boomer shooter that came out semi recently

[shrewd jetty]

quite shame that line was skipped in a Russian version 😅

[shrewd jetty]

that lighting totally sells it, damn, my eyes are blessed

[wide moth]

Enemy patrol dead ahead

[woeful pewter]

Stealth doosen't bloodeh mean anythin' to you doos et?

[woeful pewter]

I expected it to be more green but this looks very blue lmao

[wide moth]

Yea the sky is blooming out a bit

[woeful pewter]

Ahhh yeah, it's super grey in that mission normally

[wide moth]

I wish we had ability to create custom volumetric fog volumes, just like another material shader we could reference to.

I would love to see the nuke scene with volumetric mushroom cloud

[timid salmon]

I'll have to add a few more skies so there is a fitting one for each level

[neon bronze]

can you experiment with other skyboxes, all of your testing show similarities to MW2019 graphics, might be the bright blue sky bouncing off every damn thing lmao

[timid salmon]

SP build with most features that are in mp already. Pretty stable 👍🏻
https://github.com/xoxor4d/iw3sp-mod-rtx/actions/runs/7433760858

[pallid pebble]

does anyone mind sharing their rtx.conf? I'm ingame but its a pain tying to find the right textures

the unmarked alpha textures seem to crash my gpu driver within 2 minutes, i had a similar issue with source games

[timid salmon]

use the one that comes with the build?

fx_enable 0 might help. Or turn off alpha emissive

[pallid pebble]

yeah disabling alpha emissive fixed it for now, i completely missed the rtx.conf file, sorry about that 😅

the rtx.conf fixed my issues but it seems like the driver still crashes, most likely turing architecture bugs

[timid salmon]

spend a little bit of time on the m40 today

[woeful pewter]

Holy fuck

[foggy bison]

The house I just moved to doesn’t have an internet hookup so I can’t cook at all this weekend

[timid salmon]

oh no I feel ya

[odd marsh]

FUCKING AWESOME

[sharp narwhal]

I think reusing assets from the 2016 remaster would be time saving anybody agrees?

[fluid coral]

That's theft

Modders make mods.

[sharp narwhal]

Ok

[woeful pewter]

Not unless you're using it outside of another CoD game, otherwise half the BO3 workshop wouldn't exist, but I doubt CoD4's engine would be able to handle having all that thrown into it regardless

[timid salmon]

My crash remake (crash_2) is full of cod4 remastered assets. Had to use a lot of LOD1 variants tho. Engine limits shouldn’t matter using remix tho because the game is still using its stock assets

[woeful pewter]

Wait yeah isn't it technically overlaying them as opposed to actually inserting them into the game? Or am I talking out my ass?

[shrewd jetty]

to be honest, this whole idyll with "no assets from other games in the same series" feels like a desire for perfectionism and an attempt to show your artistic skills rather than something really important

[shrewd jetty]

It kinda really is Overlaying, thats pretty much the way how you easily can switch up graphics from Remixed to Original

[woeful pewter]

Yeah I thought as much but wasn't 100%, thanks

[fluid coral]

Yea the user agreement says that don't it. Section 3 "it's kinda really overlaying or whatever so it's chill fr"

[woeful pewter]

The explanation as to how remix works isn't connected to the discussion of usage of assets, chill out man

[fluid coral]

This sort of shits going to get Activision lawyers involved and my projects going to get roped into it

[woeful pewter]

It won't get nuked unless you're actively advocating piracy, that's the thing, it's the reason SM2 got shut down as well as XLabs and (And by association BOIII), because they didn't explicitly state (And in SM2's case were saying they were going to host the files so you didn't require legal ownership) that you required ownership of those games, and as for asset usage recreating would be fine, but porting is too, as shown by the plethora of weapon mods and map mods for CoD1, 2, 4, WaW, BO1, BO3 etc., if ATVI had taken issue with that kind of usage of their assets then by all rights they'd have taken all of them down, easily, but they haven't yet and I highly doubt they will, hopefully that makes sense

Also why Plutonium and tools such as Wraith, Greyhound etc. are still allowed, pretty sure that Scobalula was also in talks with someone at ATVI in order to get official support for using Greyhound with MWII a while ago (Due to Ricochet) but I'm unsure what happened with that, don't think it went anywhere other than having a method of getting around it

[wise monolith]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2910206016&searchtext=call+of+the+dead

enough said

literally an entire bo1 map in bo3

model ports and all

from bo1

the game bo1

to bo3

[woeful pewter]

(And zero LOD which is why it runs like ass)

[wise monolith]

widely regarded as one of the best bo3 custom maps was on the front page for weeks, surely someone at activision / 3arc / iw couldve seen it

[shrewd jetty]

TheSkyeLord - BO1 Weapon Ports
TJ - BO4 Window Barriers

With Tadpole's logic, Activision should have killed that map

For using model from game after BO III

[wise monolith]

shit is LITERALLY call of the dead

1:1

[fluid coral]

With my logic fuck sake

[wise monolith]

for free on bo3

[fluid coral]

That's breaking copyright law!

[shrewd jetty]

I can't say it otherwise

[shrewd jetty]

And where is that law in whole 1:1 RECREATION which uses models not used in BO III by default?

[fluid coral]

Your pointing to people breaking the law and saying we should break the law because they break the law and get away with it

[wise monolith]

they are free mods bro

[shrewd jetty]

YES MATE

[wise monolith]

there is no profit to be had from making a 1:1 recreation of call of the dead in bo3 besides the love of the game

aside from the tons of steam points you may get for doing such a good job

[fluid coral]

Your advocating extracting assets from one game illegally. Enough said

[wise monolith]

never advocated it firstly

i stated that it has happened before

and has never been shot down

not advocate, stated

[shrewd jetty]

Its pretty popular map as you mentioned, and again, if Activision really would follow the law THAT MUCH, they would killed it

[wise monolith]

its not about following the law because these are free mods that do not profit from anything. activision only takes down what they see as financially harming, directly or indirectly.

theres a reason that sm2 and xlabs got shut down and it was because they were providing the files to the games that they still sold for free

through torrents

• dlc too i should mention

that directly harms sales for activision no matter how old the game was

[crimson galleon]

@fluid coral It's important to understand that not everyone may have a strong awareness of intellectual property rights. Therefore, it may not be worth your time to judge them for it. However, it is crucial that they learn to respect the original authors and companies by properly obtaining permission or licenses for using copyrighted game assets in other games.

[fluid coral]

But there so thick and loud hemry

[wise monolith]

pluto is still up because they require you now to own the game through steam. these are 2 wholly different scenarios. how does your rtx cod4 mod harm activision in anyway?

[shrewd jetty]

dummy thick

[shrewd jetty]

(I couldn't not to joke about this, sorry)

[crimson galleon]

I will choose to ignore such individuals; there may be others who will address the situation.

For those who enjoy using original assets, it would be better if they create their own mods instead of encouraging others to engage in illegal activities. As modders, we value and respect each other, including the original authors and companies. So, to those who suggest using illegal materials, please let the modders focus on their own creations. We find more enjoyment in creating and using legitimate content rather than resorting to illegal means.

[wise monolith]

i agree to disagree. there is a preference between ports and not porting which is okay. i like when people choose to create original content instead of directly porting something anyway

modders make mods, but modders can make GREAT mods with the right set of tools

regardless of what path you choose, i wish anyone involved with the project great success

[crimson galleon]

I believe that tadpole3159 has the potential to create something even better than the original. So, just let's him cook.

[wise monolith]

we shall see

hard agree on better tools nowadays

cod4 radiant probably sucked to use back then

[woeful pewter]

It still does lmao

[wise monolith]

ye but for actually making the game i mean

[woeful pewter]

True but that's just tech

[wise monolith]

that shit was probably so grueling to use, maybe when you worked there enough times youd get used to how to work with it

yeah this too

[woeful pewter]

As one part progresses so does the rest of it

[wise monolith]

wasnt a fan of its workflow but its nice seeing what others do with it

especially on bo3 radiant

treyarch tier levels being made there now

you get what i mean

and we didnt even start to get really good BO3 custom maps until years after the mod tools dropped

[woeful pewter]

What do you mean? I love box maps!

[wise monolith]

years of radiant going into making one window challenge youtuber maps

and YouAlwaysWin Zombies

what was the first BO3 custom map that comes to mind when you think treyarch tier?

[woeful pewter]

"Largest map in zombies!" Yeah bro your fucking flat plane of grass with 4 walls around it is great

[wise monolith]

nightmare? daybreak? COTD? DR declassified?

leviathan remake?

[woeful pewter]

I think Europa

[wise monolith]

which was 2020

[woeful pewter]

Mhm

[wise monolith]

4 years after tools dropped

so yeah, statement still stands

treyarch tier maps are being made nowadays

also, WANTED is one that comes to mind

which was 3 years

well duh

CSGO was passed the torch from old brother source which CSGO passed onto CS2. the community had tools to port maps from those games into CSGO from CSS and now CSGO to CS2. cod doesn't have this luxury all that much

CS has tools to allow you to port from CSGO to CS2, albeit you would still need to work on the map to get it working

[shrewd jetty]

I wonder why they don't then

[woeful pewter]

There's irony in this, in that there are tools to port Source maps to Radiant 💀

[wise monolith]

and that's why we have the leviathan remake

[shrewd jetty]

To BO3?

[wise monolith]

what do you mean? you didn't play monopoly zombies in BO3? /s

[woeful pewter]

NO

[shrewd jetty]

HL2 Campaign maps to BO3

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/246920136332804097/1193532009700671618/yeonjun.gif?ex=65ad0e4d&is=659a994d&hm=59d6fffe08ddc31b12701482ffffa9f6cdd820117761caf9cd1f332a64cb4d8c&

[upper rampart]

Where are the call of duty screenshots

[shrewd jetty]

(Just joking)

[woeful pewter]

In the oven, baking

[wise monolith]

who wants to see me port 500 one window challenge youtuber maps AND spongebob zombies to bo3

[shrewd jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-smirk-grin-oh-i-get-it-gif-7993712

Me

Just kidding

[wise monolith]

my years of radiant will guide us through this troubling journey but we will make it out strong and in round 100 on the 500th one window map

[woeful pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-look-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-freshen-up-clean-makeover-gif-25582224

[woeful pewter]

Since when do you have years of experience in Radiant? 💀

[wise monolith]

i put it on my resume!

been mapping on radiant since 1998 :D

[woeful pewter]

Therefore it must be true!