Garry's Mod

[subtle bison]

ok just making sure

[subtle bison]

so when i told you to change ingame video settings the 1st time, did you change it in the launcher or gmod's video settings?

[hasty sonnet]

gmod

[subtle bison]

ok

hmm, i guess you could try reinstalling the addon?

its rare to see the cube not load its textures so im pretty stumped

you do get these in the console when you change presets right?

[hasty sonnet]

ill check

anything wrong?

[subtle bison]

nah, its loading the texture but the render target isnt being created (the color changing effect you would see in debug view)

all i know is that some kind of software on windows breaks this but i could never find the culprit myself

it happened to 2 other people but it magically started working over time for them

[hasty sonnet]

the color changes ingame

[subtle bison]

yea but it doesnt in the debug view

[steel lark]

what is that post processing 💀

[subtle bison]

remix's vignette and CA

tho for that stuff i would recommend using reshade instead

[modern sparrow]

honestly i expected the install to be like ten trillion steps long finally looked at the install was uber simple tho got weird skybox issue on this map

[hasty sonnet]

can you inject it into remix?

[subtle bison]

ye it works fine

[hasty sonnet]

damn

[subtle bison]

on the reshade installer, select the gmod.exe inside bin/win64 and set it to vulkan

and then it just works™️

[hasty sonnet]

wait we are running with dxvk?

[subtle bison]

ye that's what remix is based on

[hasty sonnet]

oh yeah right

i saw a .dxvk

[subtle bison]

depth buffer access does not work so that's the only issue

its a remix thing and not dxvk

[hasty sonnet]

nvm reshade aint my thing no more

[subtle bison]

it used it work in really early remix builds but i do not recommend downgrading

[hasty sonnet]

i aint losing all my performance

[subtle bison]

if that's supposed to be a normal source engine skybox, it shouldnt be broken like that

[hasty sonnet]

2D skybox lookin ahh

[subtle bison]

what is the map

[modern sparrow]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2641724193

it had multiple sky textures but now its doing like some weird flickering stuff

[subtle bison]

works fine for me?

[subtle bison]

looks like the env light is having issues getting culled

its happening to me as well

[hasty sonnet]

use anti culling then

or find it and slap a anti culling parameter

[subtle bison]

nah remix anti culling is useless for source

[hasty sonnet]

damm

[subtle bison]

we also try to avoid it at all costs anyway

[modern sparrow]

btw thats a 3d skybox well im pretty sure it has a 3d skybox theres a smaller section off in the map used for skybox stuff

[subtle bison]

do this

for some reason my addon isnt detecting the sun light as its own but cranking the light distance seems to work

just remember to lower it for heavier maps

[modern sparrow]

well what you set it to cause that dropped my pc to its knees it feels like lol

[subtle bison]

rip

just crank it as high as you can without it killing fps ig

[hasty sonnet]

CR yk that procedural glass mod?

[subtle bison]

ye

[hasty sonnet]

i got bored and did the same shit as you

[modern sparrow]

turns it down fps still dog but that map seems to only need like 5000 for that first one to stop flickering

btw what yall normally mark glass as?

[subtle bison]

try manually refreshing the bounds

[subtle bison]

and also try reloading the map

it should clear any memory leaks

[subtle bison]

we usually replace it in the remix toolkit as marking it as a decal or particle texture has its own issues

[hasty sonnet]

we dont mark it as shi

from this image

you see its just replaced

we just change the properties in rtx remix app

just like what CR said

i think he already said it in the chat so we have to scroll up to find the steps to do it

[subtle bison]

its a manual process since each map could have its own glass texture

its best to be familar with the remix toolkit for replacing materials

[modern sparrow]

yeah didnt really help me im probably like bottlenecked or something I5 [dont know the specifics of it] and a RTX 3050

[subtle bison]

you're probably CPU limited

[hasty sonnet]

3050 is already capable but not the best but its good

just get a better cpu and background processes will be dealt with and you might have more VRAM to use

[subtle bison]

you can check your CPU specs in task manager

[hasty sonnet]

the 60's (rtx 3060 rtx 4060 etc etc) im talking about the boosted variant so Ti

they have 16gb of vram

depending on what you have open

wallpaper engine photoshop those apps

they can eat some vram

i have wallpaper engine already running in the background but i have enough vram to use

[subtle bison]

ye but most of the perf issues is gonna be from my compat mod lol

[subtle bison]

also some addons pre-cache their textures (arc9 and mw base) and eat a lot of vram

i wish they wouldnt do that 🙂

[hasty sonnet]

well we could get a guy who mods mw base or arc9 and get him to make a small addon file that could just stop that

but thats not gonna be easy

[subtle bison]

if we can hook into other lua addons i can probably do it

but i havent looked into it yet

i want to get rid of the directx error arc9 shows

[hasty sonnet]

ah yes my favorite technique using 3,500,000 addons to make something actually good

(its probably the worst/best way to do something in garrys mod)

[subtle bison]

well its the only option other than including their addon code into my mod (a big no no)

[subtle bison]

ouch

yeah that would do it

its a good CPU but i guess remix + the compat mod might be too heavy for it

[hasty sonnet]

an i9 is around 700$

[modern sparrow]

lovely stuff you know weirdly enough i feel like whenever i enabled that advanced mode stuff and changed it a single time the map just shat itself before whenever i didnt touch it it was fine

i dont got dah money for a i9 im lucky to even have the RTX 3050 lol

[subtle bison]

the default mode sticks to the lowest settings possible for performance

[hasty sonnet]

damn

[subtle bison]

i wouldnt buy an intel cpu these days anyway

[hasty sonnet]

im forced to use a intel cpu cuz of my motherboard

[subtle bison]

i mean if you buy a used 9th gen i9, it would be pretty cheap actually

[hasty sonnet]

id have to buy a 14th or 13th gen i9

[subtle bison]

ouch

i'd thought these go down in price since they're about 6 years old

[hasty sonnet]

why is it so cheap

i thought it was 700$

[modern sparrow]

more expensive then the rift S i saved up for

[hasty sonnet]

wait the KS is more expensive not K

lord have mercy

[subtle bison]

yea i'd prob wait a bit until upgrading, might be worth switching over to a cheap AMD X3D chip

you'll see massive gains in perf

[hasty sonnet]

AMD is good

if i could fucking use it with my motherboard

stupid MSI

yes i wanted ryzen

[modern sparrow]

i will say on the construct map it seems like i got good frames tho

kinda weird given im pretty sure that halo map i was on is literally smaller than construct

[hasty sonnet]

construct is the hello world of gmod my man

[subtle bison]

ye it depends if the map is well optimized and also isnt densely packed with entities

0.6.0 should help with the larger maps though

[hasty sonnet]

this bad boy has existed for centuries

with some changes duh

[modern sparrow]

i found this to be pretty cool looking if you dont select the sky textures the powerups props on the map have this neat effect in the dark

[subtle bison]

looks sick

[hasty sonnet]

what map

[modern sparrow]

this

[hasty sonnet]

alright

aight

ill prob try to get the HDRI's working later

since you said the skybox is not skyboxing

its pitch black

wtf

[subtle bison]

for that halo map, the 2D skybox is inside the 3D skybox

you can enable the 3D skybox with r_3dsky 1 but be warned its buggy

[hasty sonnet]

theres a reason why its disabled

i dont know why

but its just is

the shadows are overly distorted

[subtle bison]

penumbra effect my beloved

its PT so those shadows are as normal as normal gets

[hasty sonnet]

when bro said lets simulate accurate newtonian lighting in gmod

thats prob NVIDIA but with portal

[modern sparrow]

ment to ask but how much is one of these cost or would cost i mean i dont mind saving up to upgrade my stuff obviously

[subtle bison]

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-5700X3D-16-Thread-Processor/dp/B0CQ4H4H7X

about as cheap as the i9

so pretty well priced actually

beats even intel's best offerings for sigificantly less money lol

[hasty sonnet]

for a few 100 bucks you can have the greatest cpu in the world

[subtle bison]

yea

[hasty sonnet]

if it only could go into my motherboard

[modern sparrow]

that seems much more in my price range lol

rather than something for 700$

[hasty sonnet]

thats actually is the reason im not buying amd cpu's

[subtle bison]

yea i wouldnt pay that much for a CPU unless you need lots of cores

i got a 7950X3D for dev stuff

definitely gonna last me a long time

still cheaper than a GPU

[hasty sonnet]

i have a saying

if the graphics is good im good

[modern sparrow]

tryed another map i got downloaded and its really something else

[subtle bison]

map?

[modern sparrow]

gm_hinamizawa

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3298456705

[subtle bison]

lol its visible even without remix

another map does this and i have no earthly idea what causes it yet

its some kind of weird vertex explosion

[modern sparrow]

hmm

the map does have teleports

maybe thats it?

[subtle bison]

nah

its some kind of material or model causing the engine to freak out

ill make a list of maps that do this so i can figure it out

[lament quartz]

back when glass was the biggest advancement in things

[loud mural]

Evidence? Source?

[willow fog]

It's just absurd. Having your vram removable and so far away from the chip is already a huuuge bottleneck

[subtle bison]

especially sodimm lmao

latency Infinium

[willow fog]

Also why do they have TWO different network connections on the card?

And usb c??????

[subtle bison]

if its virtuallink it passes

[loud mural]

That's what I thought but maybe the latency doesn't need to be that low, I guess I'll see when there actually start rolling the cards out to devs

[subtle bison]

i use USB-C all of the time on my RTX 2080

for my psvr2 and my 4K 240hz display

[loud mural]

If they do that that is

[willow fog]

And what about this???

[subtle bison]

this website design speaks scam to me

[willow fog]

Cloud GPUs are available everywhere

[loud mural]

Do you mind testing gm_boreas?

[subtle bison]

sure

[loud mural]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1572373847

[willow fog]

Earlier in the video, they said that their benchmarks were pre-silicon emulations of the hardware

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613692441337397260/1347359868159529051/image.png?ex=67cc32e9&is=67cae169&hm=9dffe32f032d435ede69b6c798c5dd0a8e0e3e048f23ee64c7a5a764c3f8a9cf&

Yet they claim to have done simulation tests?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/613692441337397260/1347359266515845251/image.png?ex=67cc3259&is=67cae0d9&hm=4193624ced92b460b0e561222ab2a8acb9b56c64c0a614dba5328d357b9fa8bc&

amazing

Nvida: Decades of experience. Hardware still lacking.
Random brown guy: Off the charts graph.

[loud mural]

Oh hilarious, I didn't see that

[subtle bison]

yep

definitely one of the heaviest maps so far

[loud mural]

Yeah that FPS is kinda nuts, great work

[subtle bison]

ty

[loud mural]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3360227650

This map is gigga heavy

I was playing this at like 8 FPS before

[subtle bison]

normal or rtx lol

[loud mural]

RTX ofc

[subtle bison]

was it 8fps everywhere or one particular spot?

[loud mural]

It was a bit of an older version though from two months ago

[loud mural]

Pretty much everywhere but I'd suggest flying around the map just in case

There was also a horrible mirror that would tank everything down to Seconds Per Frame that I kept having to disable everything time I reset the map lol

But ik you have a fix for that now lol

[subtle bison]

ye it runs fine so far

it does go down towards 8FPS if im out of bounds (no PVS so everything gets rendered at once)

thank god this map uses PVS optimizations a lot

[loud mural]

Try blackmesasigma, it was compiled on fast vvis

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=104483047

[loud mural]

It's insane to see that map run so well

[subtle bison]

this map suffers from the same vertex explosion bug

[loud mural]

Ahhh

Fun

[subtle bison]

fps tanks if i look anywhere other than the place im starting at

[loud mural]

So basically run your map with a full vvis pass and proper placement of world geo

[subtle bison]

looks like these VMTs do some weird fuckery

[subtle bison]

yea as long as the map has those requirements, its now guaranteed to be playable in remix

we only render the leafs visible and nearby the player, so culling happens, but it shouldnt ever be visible

well other than static props since they're controlled by a distance slider (they still get culled outside the PVS)

[loud mural]

Curse Sources decrepit lack of optimization for modern hardware in modern map configurations lol

[subtle bison]

still wish there was a better way of managing view frustrum culling other than render bounds, its stupidly expensive and the PVS is my only saving grace

[loud mural]

I heard xoxor4d say that the garbage perf was mostly caused by the fact that everything is software skinned instead of hardware skinned

[subtle bison]

yea

though i think what im doing is much SLOWER than what he's doing

[loud mural]

At least it's configurable though, I hate rounding a corner and then all the lights pop into view in front of my face. But I understand he doesn't have much of a choice lol

[subtle bison]

yea

he might be able to fix that by replicating what we do lol

we spawn a cube with a alpha of 1 nearby every light

forces the engine to render the light

[loud mural]

Oh I just meant like emissive props, whoops

[subtle bison]

ah

[loud mural]

How did you get that to perform so much better btw?

[subtle bison]

which part?

[loud mural]

The alpha cubes for light culling

I remember we needed a limit previously

[subtle bison]

i think most of that had to do with us switching to x64, luajit is much faster here. I did make some changes though, we only render light updaters that are visible in the PVS

they can and will cull still if you're far enough away

but that can be adjusted of course

[loud mural]

Nice

Thank god for NikNaks lol

[subtle bison]

yeah its the entire backbone lmao

[modern sparrow]

you know ima be real idk why i didnt suggest that reactor map tho i have abit of a feeling it would probs lag aton if you actually started the reactor [and also let it meltdown]

[subtle bison]

where do i do that at

[loud mural]

It's a whole process lol

You've gotta insert these fuel cells, and a bunch of other stuff

I kinda doubt it'll effect FPS that much tbh

[subtle bison]

ye the only thing that would tank it is alpha effects

then you're just GPU bound at that point

[loud mural]

And we are in DX8 which uses the older core effect shader with no alpha

[subtle bison]

we're technically dx9 but the dxvk.conf changes force FF

so idk what dxlevel we're actually at tbh

game says 9 but we're definitely not

[loud mural]

Ahh, well it still uses the old effect when I played on the map with Remix last time I checked

[subtle bison]

ye its probably internally dx8 since source does have fallbacks

[loud mural]

There are some ep2 explosion particles but it's not super heavily used when the meltdown happens

[modern sparrow]

well incase yah wanna you take these three fuel cells goto that combine looking symbol delete it [cause its a door or whatever inless you wanna use the lifts to one by one transport them up the area that is lol]

three go in these red places

and flip these all on then you should beable to start it from control room

oh yeah and just turn all this on i think whenever it reachs a certain point you can just turn the stabilizers off and have it melt down

i was very confused whenever i first seen the map tbh i was like im never going to figure this stuff out lol

[subtle bison]

finally i can acheive my life's dreams in gmod

i'd say the biggest perk of remix is transforming the visuals of dupe buildings

[modern sparrow]

honestly looks pretty great ngl i wonder if mat_fullbright uhhh 0? ing a map would make a map come out looking better with RTX remix if it would have any effect at all that is

[subtle bison]

mat_fullbright breaks lighting for remix

since the engine isnt sending any light data

also means any HDR-only maps dont work

[modern sparrow]

pretty cool looking kinda weird tho ngl at the same time seeing dupes in good light lol

[subtle bison]

lol

[modern sparrow]

also i cant do the reactor stuff my pc utterly crumbles whenever i loaded it in RTX remix lol

[subtle bison]

yea most of those large maps probably wont load or run like ass until 0.6.0 comes out

hopefully it will improve perf on your system drastically

[modern sparrow]

well ill keep it downloaded then in hopes i can see a RTX reactor meltdown lol

[steel lark]

which will be next week?

[subtle bison]

fr this looks so uncanny, im so used to seeing this dupe building fully lit

[subtle bison]

ye hopefully

[modern sparrow]

probs the most messed up map ive seen thus far

[subtle bison]

looks like a lot of stuff to be marked as decal

should fix all of those texture issues

[modern sparrow]

thing is like some of those invis spots i cant even select

[subtle bison]

you might have to ignore the 1st texture in order to select the second one

then you can then un-ignore the 1st one

[steel lark]

can't you make them terrain textures and use the terrain as decals?

[subtle bison]

terrain textures are used in the terrain builder which is extremely expensive

[modern sparrow]

i ment like they just dont exist

[subtle bison]

and provide no visual benefit

[subtle bison]

make sure the other one isnt accidentally ignored

[modern sparrow]

i mean im not seeing anything that would suggest its being ignored

[subtle bison]

whats the map

[modern sparrow]

cs_wolfenstein

[subtle bison]

it looks like the dust particle gets in the way

they're definitely there

[modern sparrow]

ill check again had to restart my rtx gmod

ok it works now

[subtle bison]

still looks like you ignored the other texture

it should be blending with the other one

[modern sparrow]

well i didnt put any textures into the ignore well myself and idk what is or is not added via the install of gmod rtx

[subtle bison]

everything you see there isnt the texture so something else is goin on

hmm

try my rtx.conf

beware i prob have some weird settings

so back up yours

[modern sparrow]

well i actually think i fixed the issue

i could select those invisible spaces now and i set it to decal

seems fixed now

[turbid barn]

Is there any advantage of RR Transformer in gmod atm?

it's only causing more artifacts

[subtle bison]

not until they fix the bugs with the HDRI's and NRC crashing drivers

[turbid barn]

btw, NRC works fantastic

Ray Tracing in dynamic became like 10 times faster with more fps

[subtle bison]

crashes for me on a 20 series gpu

so im unable to use it

[turbid barn]

ReSTIR vs NRC (fast moving Y rotate slider)

Does anybody knows any good free hardware compressor ?

I used ChatGPT to make this one. It works well, but maybe somewhere exists a better alternative?

[modern quest]

wait. can i add this to the issue i was going to open for the issues with RR?

it'll help them fix it

[turbid barn]

maybe if i'l make video

[modern quest]

that'd be good, but even the screenshots there will help a lot

[turbid barn]

Gmod still crashing after few minutes alt+tab

um

idk how it's called on en

[modern quest]

idle?

[turbid barn]

like

[modern quest]

background

[turbid barn]

yes

...

[modern quest]

it's okay

i got it

[turbid barn]

it's not an issue

[modern quest]

thank you

[turbid barn]

i'l drop issue videos in a few minutes

[modern quest]

ah okay

[turbid barn]

this video shows advantage of NRC over old method

haha, gmod crashed again

[modern quest]

NRC is so much better

[turbid barn]

RR Transformer shows artifact on fast-moving sunlight

and much slower changes skybox with this transformers cubes

[modern quest]

perfect, thank you

[modern quest]

that should be all i need. tyvm

[turbid barn]

I've also notified, that RR makes me "disappear" in reflections

need video?

[modern quest]

yep

that'd be great

[turbid barn]

oh, that's not transformer issue

that's glass texture were changed to transculent in RTX-Remix menu

im not sure if it's useful

[modern quest]

if it's not a transformer issue, then it's not useful in this case. ty though

[modern sparrow]

inless im missing something uhhh how would i access that HDR editor thingy

[willow fog]

Very carefully

[subtle bison]

https://github.com/sambow23/hdri_cube?tab=readme-ov-file#installation

[modern sparrow]

thanks

[modern quest]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/740

could you please give this issue a like if you have an account?

[willow fog]

You forgot the compilation music

oh man

These thumbnails look real

[drifting hinge]

oh man??? like... the country???

[livid rapids]

Interesting because when I was forcing transformer thru NVPI I didn't have those kinds of artifacts

And I know for a fact it was transformer model, I had the indicator on

[subtle bison]

ye its probably a specific transformer model they're using in the new runtime

[livid rapids]

The red emissive bug was there tho

And still is

[turbid barn]

should i check?

if yes, where i can change transformer model?

[modern quest]

read my comment underneath it

you can't change it currently unless you use an older Remix build, which isn't really a good comparison due to the number of changes made

[turbid barn]

i'm used not latest remix build?

[modern quest]

i mean one from about a week ago

and using DLSS overrides in nvidia profile inspector

[turbid barn]

i've found an advantage using Transformer instead of CNN

No RR
Static - Dynamic

CNN
Static - Dynamic

Transformer

[modern quest]

yeah

[turbid barn]

but in ig all game situations it's not noticable

[modern quest]

the transformer model, when it works right, is great. that's why i liked that other version more. it's basically (in my experience) all of the good parts of this one, but better, and with less issues

however Mark said their team found more issues than i did, so there must've been something

so hopefully they can get this one fixed up and working well, or at least let us choose between them

#offtopic-game-discussion message

[hasty sonnet]

cyber truck drivers are the 2025 big ahhh truck drivers

[hasty sonnet]

for a sec i thought america became stereotypical detroit

[noble vapor]

chat what did cr do that made buildings green and perf very high, i can't keep up, too much msgs

[half viper]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3440290499&searchtext=

@subtle bison would you try this?

[subtle bison]

ill try it now

[subtle bison]

seems to crash the game on load

crashes in shaderapidx9

hopefully i can fixup the VEH system so I can prevent these crashes

[subtle bison]

ok this is a way deeper issue

im gonna have to update a few of blueamulet's patches before i can even look into this new crash signature

if i end up figuring it out ill make a PR

[earnest yew]

i think its maps compiled in a new way

like csgo

hmm!

[subtle bison]

ye but its the same divison by zero issue

im just gonna add more checks in these new signatures and see what happens

lol

[hasty sonnet]

did you find a culprit to the hdri texture issue?

[subtle bison]

def going insane

[hasty sonnet]

bro how many gmod files do you have?

[subtle bison]

no because its impossible to reproduce that issue

last thing ill check, does this path look identical?

[hasty sonnet]

yeah

its in mods > hdri

and rtx remix > hdri

[subtle bison]

uhh delete the hdri folder at the base

i think i left it there by accident in the git repo

it prob wont fix the issue tho

[hasty sonnet]

if it fixes it

im going to celeberate

yeah nope

worth a try

[livid rapids]

map is hdr only btw

[subtle bison]

yea but HDR maps dont crash the game

at least they shouldnt

[livid rapids]

also wtf I scrolled down on the rpcs3 discord members and got CR jumpscared

[subtle bison]

used to do a lot of testing

[subtle bison]

ok actually i think this is good hint

i just tried the seriousroom map from TSP and it crashes now

it was HDR only as well but i very well remember it running in the past

i think i know what patch broke

ty rubat

ok well i fixed the patch but no luck

sad

[steel lark]

OH MY GOD I THOUGHT THAT WAS A MODEL

[earnest yew]

rp maps

darkrp rtx

god one could only dream

[crystal storm]

It is assumed that playing gmod multiplayer with remix is a big no, right? Used to be a part of a big RP server from back in the day and they opened a small server on their custom map and I wanna try it

Do the RTX files force it to launch with -insecure?

[willow fog]

You can join any server that allows insecure users to join

[crystal storm]

Brb gonna beg the server owner to switch off VAC for a moment lol

Really its only a 10 slot server and they opened it for nostalgic purposes, only reason is the custom map is hard coded to crash unless it's ran in a multiplayer server running the exact mod pack

[subtle bison]

gmod's VAC doesnt actually care about dll injections from what i can see

but @crystal storm , the server must have the compat mod installed

otherwise the binary module and the clientside lua files wont load

it should still go ingame but the graphics will be pretty broken without them

[crystal storm]

Ah good point, they would probably not be down for that too lol

I think i found a non-protected version of it, its an old map made right before the Gmod 13 Beta

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=971307738&searchtext=SRH+DOWNTOWN

It was made by like 10 different people working on different parts of the map so lord only knows what could be wrong with it, I still have to install 64 bit GMOD RTX first

There is a comment explaining but you need to put lua_run debugoverlay.MAP_KEY_Q = "gvpFxLWLMKWtXHfM" into the console to make it not crash when playing singleplayer

[modern quest]

@turbid barn would you be willing to test a fix for the transformer issue for me?

[crystal storm]

Map loads and most of the map looks correct but blending is fugged

[subtle bison]

you probably need to unignore the other texture and mark it as decal

it should then blend properly

[modern quest]

@subtle bison does gmod use a custom remix build or something?

[subtle bison]

yes

[modern quest]

aaaand it doesn't support the transformer yet

[crystal storm]

The other texture wasn't set to ignore but after trying a mix of decal for one or both textures this is the best I got

[subtle bison]

lol yea it was made way before that came out 😛

[modern quest]

try setting them as terrain, and then changing the terrain mode to decals

[subtle bison]

isnt that only in the new runtime?

[modern quest]

how the hell was @turbid barn using it then

[modern quest]

yes, i already forgot

[subtle bison]

they probably installed the new runtime

[modern quest]

i tried, and it just crashes

[subtle bison]

hu, i was able to use it as well

anyway, 0.6.0 will probably come with a updated runtime?

[subtle bison]

try nuking the rtx.conf

[modern quest]

yeah was about to

[subtle bison]

you will have to remark a bunch of hashes tho on first launch

unlessy you manually move them over

[hasty sonnet]

CR

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3438992111

[subtle bison]

ye it works

[hasty sonnet]

oh alr

[modern quest]

ah, the conf was saved with all of the settings

that always causes problems 😦

welp

[subtle bison]

omg what did rubat break

[hasty sonnet]

press X to doubt

[subtle bison]

is this with a modern ver of the game?

[subtle bison]

check the ignore textures in the runtime

[modern quest]

i think so

[subtle bison]

i think it uses a generic white texture i ignored

[subtle bison]

was it updated since the last time you used it?

[hasty sonnet]

ye its in hide

[modern quest]

i'm testing something

[hasty sonnet]

it doesnt deform lmfao

[modern quest]

yeah so gmod had an update last week, i didn't test it since then. i just updated to your latest mod & the game. it's still having problems with remixbinary

but it's not crashing anymore at least

[subtle bison]

any log output?

should be somewhere in the game console

[modern quest]

also i'm finally running into the scenario where gmod is not respecting my profileinspector config

it was working fine on the old build

[modern quest]

terrain is bugging out

[subtle bison]

this doesnt contain it

it might've gotten truncated

i think there is a Problems button in the game menu

like bottom right i think?

[modern quest]

[remixbinary] [RTX Remix Fixes 2] - remix::loadRemixDllAndInitialize() failed
1. unknown - [C]:-1
2. require - [C]:-1
3. unknown - addons/remixbinary/lua/autorun/rtxfixes_init.lua:6

[hasty sonnet]

la water

[subtle bison]

did your windows defender delete the dll here?

[modern quest]

nope, it's there

[subtle bison]

are you enhancements disabled, it looks like the water replacing isnt taking effect

[hasty sonnet]

ye

i was gonna capture something lol

[half viper]

Subdivide

[subtle bison]

just tried a clean build on my end, no errors

i'd try re-extracting the mod into the game folder

[modern quest]

typical Kim experience

[modern quest]

already did

[hasty sonnet]

how the fuck

how

explain

[subtle bison]

are these addons installed and enabled?

[hasty sonnet]

ahh i see it

[modern quest]

hm, apparently the last 2 are missing. i'm subscribed to them though

[subtle bison]

hu

how does that work

[modern quest]

lol it was unsubbed somehow

i had them before

nice launcher btw

still having the error though

[half viper]

Hold C

[hasty sonnet]

i found it already

[willow fog]

beamng gmod

[subtle bison]

uhh

remove the workshop remix fixes

[hasty sonnet]

true ig

[modern quest]

re-extracting it a third time fixed it

wow

[hasty sonnet]

im fucking dead rn

the bodycam post processing transfers over

[modern quest]

ah no. the problem is the new remix build

[subtle bison]

wdym

the new remix runtime build is causing the errors ingame?

[modern quest]

installing the new build causes those errors

[willow fog]

Reshade mfs when they can't figure out how to enable the stupid thing for individual softwares and not every single thing at once.

[subtle bison]

i think its his rtx.conf stuff that transferred over lol

[willow fog]

ah

Me when overblown vignette and chromatic aberration = bodycam

[hasty sonnet]

true

[modern quest]

@subtle bison i figured out the issue with gmod not applying the transformer model

it's stupidly simple

[willow fog]

uh oh

[subtle bison]

👁️

[modern quest]

add gmod.exe to the profile

it only has hl2.exe

[subtle bison]

which one, the win64 one or the one in the base dir

[modern quest]

win64

it's working now

[subtle bison]

no way

i gotta try this

[modern quest]

and this preset doesn't have any issues

[willow fog]

Well, too bad because they added transformer to remix

[modern quest]

you wanna force it like this

[modern quest]

yeah, that preset has a lot of issues

this one fixes 90% of them

[willow fog]

hmm

I gotta try that

Later

[modern quest]

no more checkerboard issues, and much cleaner reconstruction imo

the only issue: it likes to accumulate too much

[subtle bison]

HOLY SHIT

KIM ILY

🙏

[modern quest]

actually CNN does the same thing lol

this is a straight upgrade as far as i'm concerned

[subtle bison]

wow even DLSS ultra perf looks much better

[modern quest]

yeah

it's so much cleaner

[subtle bison]

water is weird with transformers tho

[modern quest]

i tested this a bit before the official remix update with it and saw most of these issues

[modern quest]

the build from late yesterday fixed that supposedly

dunno which one you're on

[subtle bison]

same as you, the old one

[modern quest]

ah no

i updated so i could demonstrate this for the github issue

[modern quest]

if you update water should be fixed

[modern quest]

ah. with UP it's def gonna have issues no matter what

but they did optimize Remix for the new transformer model, so it might still be improved

[subtle bison]

weird, CNN looked fine

even with transformers weights

or whatever that mix was called

[modern quest]

yeah it wasn't actually mixed

that was just the old CNN model

[subtle bison]

oh lol

[modern quest]

this is the only issue i can find with it

but, moving the camera even slightly resets any of these artifacts

it's a lot better than the issues with the other preset imo

#1347691916799512710 message

compilation of them lol

every single one of those things is fixed

[subtle bison]

ouch

[hasty sonnet]

CR is getting a rtx 5090ti worth it?

i have the budget

[crystal storm]

Your profile inspector looks different from mine, I don't see those exact options

2.4.0.8?

oh wait

[modern quest]

@subtle bison could you by chance please somehow make comparisons with DLSS UP between old and new preset for me?

[modern quest]

you need to update

[crystal storm]

gulp

[modern quest]

here you guys go

this has it all preconfigured

just import it. it'll set up the exe and the DLSS settings

[earnest yew]

gmod dosent have proper vac

i think

it's basically just a placebo

you could technically mod all the commands you need to run in single player to force in multiplayer

but that's no good

https://tenor.com/view/thats-no-good-sonic-no-good-gif-5200822

[turbid barn]

Yes, sure

[modern quest]

download this:
https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector/releases/tag/2.4.0.18

then extract & run it

then at the top press this

[modern quest]

and import this profile

then press Apply in the top right

this is related to the ongoing discussion so i'm just gonna post it here

which do you guys prefer?

https://slow.pics/c/HLoX8AKK

personally, i find diamond_wallaby to be better on just about everything

[crystal storm]

Truthful_shrimp seems to have better detail at some parts but at the same time it can be way too noisy with movement and has some artifacts as well. Diamond is definitely a jack of all trades and I find it very comfortable in most games

[turbid barn]

Hm

[modern quest]

diamond is on the left

[crystal storm]

imo shrimp did that part better

[modern quest]

same here

i think truthful_shrimp is better with the stairs, but fails at more basic reconstruction

[modern quest]

how so?

[turbid barn]

@modern quest FG: Off
Now, turning off RR causing me to lose fps and getting blurry texture, unless i'l use CNN/TF models

[modern quest]

yeah the thing i sent forces DLSS 4's upscaler for the non-RR mode, so some variation in performance is expected

and FWIW RR is supposed to improve performance anyway over normal DLSS

[crystal storm]

The shading of the glass and the tempature of the light, its really grasping at straws trying to say I see a major difference but that was the one part of the original screenshot that made me say "maybe shrimp is better at detail"

Feels like the glass is less noisy in that part

[turbid barn]

What is FWIW ray rec?

[modern quest]

i'd argue though that detail doesn't mean much if it's being obscured in motion or by other artifacts

[modern quest]

FWIW = "for what it's worth"

[crystal storm]

but in movement shrimp is not as good as diamond imo

[modern quest]

i'll get closer to that so we can see how it's supposed to look

[turbid barn]

By the way

or it's me

but i think image became sharper

[modern quest]

that would be expected

this model is a lot clearer overall

[turbid barn]

A lot.

[modern quest]

reference

shrimp def did better with the texture part of it

[turbid barn]

It feels way better

[modern quest]

for fun i'm testing ultra performance

[modern quest]

that's generally been my experience

also, the checkerboard issue should be fixed

[willow fog]

So what you're saying is

[turbid barn]

yes, it is

[willow fog]

A shrimp reconstructed those rays?!!!

[turbid barn]

I've still didn't found that

[modern quest]

well

shrimp seems to change rendering in an odd way, i can't get a 1:1 comparison between it and diamond

from what i do see though, diamond is much clearer overall. textures are still a bit worse, but not much

[willow fog]

Yeah, I have been using diamond for my p2rtx playthrough, and it's just so much better.

[modern quest]

well shit that's probably why

it's having issues forcing the proper resolution again

sigh

[willow fog]

This u?

[turbid barn]

temporal instability

RR makes water refraction a bit blurrier

[modern quest]

did the other preset have this issue?

[turbid barn]

Im not sure, didn't notified

how can i downgrade?

[willow fog]

WOW

[modern quest]

go to the Garry's Mod profile and press the Nvidia icon

then apply it

[willow fog]

Woooooow

I can't believe it, kim

[modern quest]

hrmm

this might be a bad thing

[willow fog]

[modern quest]

😛

[willow fog]

I will just post this screenshot next time someone needs to ask

[modern quest]

https://slow.pics/c/uPckzfGj

here's the ultra performance comparison

diamond is significantly better imo

[willow fog]

What about dlaa

[modern quest]

you want me to go through all that trouble again

[willow fog]

Uhm

No

Nevermind

[modern quest]

fine

i'll do it

[willow fog]

[turbid barn]

FHD, DLSS Q
Old vs New one

[modern quest]

https://slow.pics/c/qVXSZH6p

[turbid barn]

Just checked, no

[modern quest]

okay

well wait, you have it on auto this time

you had it on Quality the first time

still happens with that?

[turbid barn]

isn't it just selects from existing presets?

it's used quality for everytime

[modern quest]

it does, but it's good to test with the same exact preset

but it won't fix that issue

not sure what to make of that

really imo they should just allow us to pick between them. each game will look better with a different one

i generally prefer diamond_wallaby, but truthful_shrimp has some obvious advantages

[turbid barn]

Diamond is a way better. Instability from point light sources is the only problem i've found

[modern quest]

and the water?

is that an issue with the old preset

but so far the consensus is that everyone likes diamond more overall

[modern quest]

for DLAA i think i slightly lean toward truthful_shrimp for overall detail reconstruction, but the issues with it kill it as an option

[turbid barn]

water is not

but RR (Previous versions are too, not only diamond one) blurries water refractions in dynamic

[compact blaze]

When did rr start having presets?

[turbid barn]

But ig this issue is not related to you

[modern quest]

seems like they always existed, we just never knew about them

[modern quest]

that's interesting. so it's not really a deciding factor in whether or not to use diamond then?

[turbid barn]

it's happened everytime

even before updating to the latest dxvk w/TF model

RR (according to Cyberpunk) was supposed to increase reflections quality and stability

but in GMOD it's ruins them

every version of RR

[modern quest]

that's likely due to other factors. like in portal, RR definitely improves reflections a lot. so it's something about how water works in gmod i guess

[modern quest]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/740#issuecomment-2708499884

posted my results

i really hope this is enough

[steel lark]

WOW i'm completely cpu bound on gm_xanthys

cr can you test it 🤑

uhh anybody know why the textures are flickering here?

(the game almost crashed when i went to record)

[subtle bison]

are you using the new runtime

[subtle bison]

seems to run ok with the PVS optimizations

[steel lark]

yeah

does it do that?

[subtle bison]

yea you gotta nuke your rtx.conf

[steel lark]

nice

[steel lark]

ahh ok

[subtle bison]

i dont officially support the new runtime yet so you'll either have to manually over over the hashes from the old conf or start re-tagging everything

[steel lark]

makes sense

[earnest yew]

gmod rtx

[willow fog]

Damn. #showcase

[steel lark]

really?

nah that isn't gmod that is a photo you took in a hottub

[willow fog]

Nuh uh

[near tartan]

Gmod❌Hottub✅

[earnest yew]

LMAOOO

[modern quest]

happens regardless of that

it's an issue with the plugin thing i think

[steel lark]

nuh uh

for me it's working perfectly

after i nuked it

well it's crashing very rarely and the sky no longer works in some maps but i think i just didn't copy all the settings

[modern quest]

maybe i need to double nuke it

[turbid barn]

hm

game started to crash on launch

if i turn off RTX, i'l be able to get to the map

as soon as i turn on RTX, game will crash

what log files i should check?

[11:37:34.978] warn: [SecretReplacement] Could not find stage: D:\Games\Steam\steamapps\common\GarrysModRTX\rtx-remix\mods\lens\./SubUSDs/SM_Prop_CompanionCube_Cubus.usd [11:37:35.629] err: GetShaderModule: Out of range of supported shader model [11:37:35.630] err: GetShaderModule: Out of range of supported shader model

Every time they've complied for few seconds

but now i've waited for 5 minutes, still compiling

From GMOD console
Addons have changes - remounting failed to create shader (x2)

instead of crashing i see that

with RTX on

oh yes of course fix will be restarting a PC

Is it ok for x64?

[hasty sonnet]

how the fuck do i use emissive masks

figured it out

[steel lark]

what do you even mean with that?

😭

oops

[turbid barn]

Shadows from HDRI disappears while I'm under the roof/in-building

[steel lark]

top 10 most unclear bug reports ever

the hdri seems to just be dissapearing not only the shadows

[turbid barn]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-patrick-bateman-american-psycho-gif-7212093

True

[steel lark]

it's probably being culled?

[turbid barn]

Probably. But x32 never had smth like

[steel lark]

don't go back

[turbid barn]

I don't wanna to. x64 runs better

[steel lark]

never happened to me

try reinstalling the hdri mod?

[turbid barn]

Also, building are culling too in refractions/their shadows while im not watching them

[steel lark]

that's intended

[turbid barn]

And it seems that is not related to HDRI

[steel lark]

it's the frustrum culling

you can disable it so that every prop around you is visible but that will make fps much lower

[turbid barn]

Oh, makes sense

[steel lark]

does reshade work with gmod rtx 64?

[subtle bison]

ye

[subtle bison]

are you spawning the editor cube or via the tools panel?

[turbid barn]

spawned.

[subtle bison]

the tools panel method prevents it from being culled

im prob gonna remove the editor cube altogether since it works better via the tool method

[lapis delta]

ХАХАХАХАХХАХА

[steel lark]

how?

[lament quartz]

Whoops

[turbid barn]

looks cool

But is there any way to keep glass texture while converting to transparent in Remix tool?

because original one has broken windows with some dirt on them

converting to transparent made it a regular clear glass

that's what im talking about

[earnest yew]

what mod

i need a good car mod

[turbid barn]

Vehicle base: Glide
Silent Hill 2 vehicles

[earnest yew]

yummy

[turbid barn]

a few cars are bugged (i've not tagged them)

but in most it's pretty good

and if you want, here i've adjusted roughness for few cars from this mod and made glass reflectable

[subtle bison]

#1116089843479498782 message

[hasty sonnet]

ive gotta see it for myself

this has to be a meme

rn

[steel lark]

oh it's vulkan[

ok ty

[hasty sonnet]

im suprised you dont know whats dxvk

its like a mask for directx 9

it just turns it into vulkan

[steel lark]

idk much about rtx remix technically

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i'm very good at following drag and drop file instructions tho so already better than average ig 😅

https://tenor.com/view/glorb-pat-dankton-spongebob-zest-gif-11635981374350083672

[hasty sonnet]

lmao

dxvk is something well known in reshade

it was built into older versions

heres some 8k tile texture i just used for boredom

crazy ahh texture i found on ambientcg

[peak rover]

did anyone try out gmod rtx with a 5090

[peak rover]

the lag

[hasty sonnet]

its 4060ti

im above 60fps for sure

[peak rover]

did you check

[hasty sonnet]

ye

[compact blaze]

What res and dlss u running at?

[steel lark]

bro i literally dreamed cr posted 0.6.0 😭

[hasty sonnet]

quality

3.5

1920x1080

frame generation and anti ghost etc etc

[steel lark]

how do i fix the ui being a bunch of squares?

[subtle bison]

i would ask for details but uhh maybe i shouldn't 🙂

[subtle bison]

wdym

[compact blaze]

Make this person’s dreams come true

[steel lark]

it was released on the workshop as PASTEURIZER

and there were 2 diffuse shaded balls with red halos around them

i woke up at 7am because of it

i was so excited but then i realized it was a dream 💀

[lament quartz]

that's sad as - well uh

[livid rapids]

Maybe we need pasteurization in the next release?

The milk carton model is right there

[steel lark]

that ui bug that makes everything on the ui opaque

idk but i seen it before so i thought that it had a fix

[subtle bison]

i only ever remember that bug on x32, you got a screenshot?

[steel lark]

i'll get it

oh i fixed it

removed a white texture from ignore and it fixed it

[hasty sonnet]

wtf happened here

[hasty sonnet]

I am going insane

map is gm_collisions

[compact blaze]

decided to spawn in the rtx light and this happened

ya @subtle bison i think you should remove the rtx light it can't be saved

[subtle bison]

ye I've already removed it in 0.6.0

[hasty sonnet]

new update?

[lapis delta]

is that with nrc?

[hasty sonnet]

no

get me a definition of nrc before your name kills the VFX fella in me (bro is still a blender noob)

@lapis delta

[turbid barn]

he announced it before

Focused on bugfixes
can't wait for 3d skyboxes

[hasty sonnet]

we can use it

buts it advised we dont

[turbid barn]

@modern quest another example of temporal instability with Diamond RR

[subtle bison]

ye sometime this week

[hasty sonnet]

im playing on that map with my enhancements bro

[turbid barn]

yup, i know that

i've also watched screenshots of non-rt version of that map, that was looking awful

[compact blaze]

Av1 💔

[turbid barn]

so i was wondering, will the light rays reflect all around the map to make it shiner

[hasty sonnet]

its mostly gonna be diffuse reflections

[compact blaze]

@subtle bison gmod rtx opens in dx7 mode right?

[hasty sonnet]

Vulkan

[subtle bison]

no

[hasty sonnet]

technically yes

its dxvk so its technically vulkan

[subtle bison]

we force dx9 to avoid dxlevel warnings, but with the shadermodel being set to 0 in dxvk.conf, the game runs with a feature level of 8 and below

[compact blaze]

Asking cause idk how to fix the issue of textures just being black which doesn’t work well with trying to replace textures in the toolkit iirc

[subtle bison]

wdym

usually if there is an untextured drawcall, its white and uninteractable with the runtime or toolkit

most if not all can be fixed with vmt edits

[compact blaze]

For example there are textures that only appear in dx9 and above, and don’t appear when the feature level is at 8

[compact blaze]

Ya I wanted to know if there’s like an article or guide out there walking through you on that

[subtle bison]

can you give me an example?

what is appearing as black

[livid rapids]

I'm calling it

color2 moment

[compact blaze]

Cold War mason playermodel arms

[livid rapids]

color2 moment

[subtle bison]

ye it would be this

i haven't looked into fixing it automatically yet

it's probably going to be a 0.7.0 thing

[compact blaze]

I wanna ask 2 questions, firstly why do you have 2 hitman games open

[livid rapids]

it's the same I just forget to disable discord's detection

And yeah for now any material using color2 you'll have to edit

delete the parameter or edit it to be color2 [1 1 1]

all done via the VMT file

[compact blaze]

I’m guessing the texture can be edited through any basic photos editor?

[subtle bison]

you wouldn't actually edit the texture

[livid rapids]

nono the texture is exactly how you'd guess it is

the vmt file is a little text file that tells the game how the texture is displayed

the thing is color2 is used in conjunction with another parameter that works in normal gmod

but remix doesn't pick it up and the material is just black

[compact blaze]

Ahhh ok ok, asking cause ur mod came with the texture files replacing the originals as a gmod addon so that’s why I’m kinda confused

[subtle bison]

this is actually not a remix issue

it's just a source engine fixed function rendering issue

you can disable RT and you'll see the texture is still broken

[livid rapids]

please save us xoxor

jk

[compact blaze]

I wouldn’t mind if you delayed 0.6 to fix this issue

[subtle bison]

ye porting his compat mod would alleviate a lot of issues

[livid rapids]

Well, I'm sure something can be done, the texture is still there (remix picks it up normally, you can see that in game setup)

[compact blaze]

I wanna ask what issues would be fixed if you ported his mod to gmod

[subtle bison]

hdr maps, eyes, particles, culling (maybe, facepunch changed a lot of stuff)

i have fixed the majority of particles myself tho

UnlitGeneric material my beloved

[livid rapids]

There is the $notint parameter

That overrides color2 and rendercolor

[subtle bison]

the question is if it applies for the FF renderer

similar to how 0.6.0 handles detail textures, modifying existing parameters is easier than removing

[earnest yew]

im about to bomb gmod

force that bitch to load dlls and lua in multiplayer

https://tenor.com/view/ts-squid-game-squid-game-2-tuff-dance-tuff-gif-1192143770479362748

[livid rapids]

wait do you go through EVERY texture loaded and replace the detail texture?

[subtle bison]

I'm kinda curious to see if that would work

[earnest yew]

theres genuinly nothing stopping you

[livid rapids]

does that have any discernable impact

[earnest yew]

maybe some serversided anticheat shiz

[subtle bison]

yes, but it does it in batches so it only takes like 2 seconds after spawning

[compact blaze]

Do you know if it’d be possible to try merge his mod to your mod for 0.7

[earnest yew]

but even then if you edit the engine.dll you could do any command in multiplayer

[subtle bison]

nah im not skilled enough to port his mod lmao

[subtle bison]

not really

[compact blaze]

Beautiful banner btw

[subtle bison]

the ingame one?

[compact blaze]

Ur banner

[subtle bison]

oh my discord one lmao

[earnest yew]

i will be looking into this

unkowncheats here i come!

[distant crystal]

Ahhh unknown cheats, where "oh here's exactly how to do that" and "i don't know shit about that, good luck" intertwine so beautifully

[earnest yew]

so true

[subtle bison]

yes please, i do not want to figure that part out

[steel lark]

the thing rtx remix needs now is light spots actually have sprites

or some effect because they're just dark

[subtle bison]

https://youtu.be/WQV7fiN2W9A

😦

[subtle bison]

you mean like cast textures like in og gmod?

[steel lark]

😭