Lego Batman 1

[dreamy helm]

I agreee

[rain ore]

but this is beyond my paygrade, I'm lost ngl

[dreamy helm]

do you see why I sometimes dont like to do this? lol

and why I uninstalled it a few months ago?

if I find something difficult in a way that I think is out of my depths, my brain shuts down!

[rain ore]

it'd probably be best to create it through the toolkit. Ik you couldn't, but I mean it might be better to address that than try to work around it

[rain ore]

it's not that this is out of your depth, it's that this stuff isn't working as intended

[dreamy helm]

very true

[rain ore]

there's gotta be some reason why, as there is with everything tech. But I wouldn't know where to begin

[dreamy helm]

Yeah

my pc works as intended for everything else too

I have no issues with any admin stuff, etc

[rain ore]

ok I was thinking about getting the game to create a project for you (who even knows if that would work lol) but it's a whole $20

[dreamy helm]

Mega oof

I asked Frisser, but the file was too big

he doesnt have nitro

wait hold on

I have trials of nitro to give out

[rain ore]

just send the mod.usda/projectname

it'll be under the limit

[dreamy helm]

Wouldnt I also need the captures layer that comes with it?

or would I just be able to set it to my one

[rain ore]

the captures themselves?

[dreamy helm]

yeah, you know how captures get placed in their own folder?

[rain ore]

yeah that might get fucky. Could zip up the capture data and send via drive

this is what the directory is like for captures

it'll have the .usd files themselves, and all the assets they reference in the folders above

as you can see the capture.usda itself here is only 143KB

[dreamy helm]

would it be possible to just alter this?

and replace that with my current capture folder?

[rain ore]

actually yaou don't need the captures at all. idk why I'm thinking that

you just would need your own captures to work from

[dreamy helm]

ah okay

which file would need to be sent?

[rain ore]

safest way would be everything except the contents of the asset folders here

[dreamy helm]

I'm struggling to realise which folder would need to be sent? lol

I thought you said we didnt need the capture folder?

I'm just being stupid, don't mind me

[rain ore]

no I'm the one being stupid

one sec

[dreamy helm]

twinsiesss

[rain ore]

in this directory, everything but the "Blender" and "Injested" folders (those r mine)

I have additional layers in my project so that's why there's multiple .usda's

[dreamy helm]

You use blenderrrrr!!

woohooooo

[rain ore]

unfortunately

my latest WIP. One piece of it took longer than I'd like to admit

top is the original model

[dreamy helm]

Why unfortunately? lol

[dreamy helm]

Nice, for Star Wars?

[rain ore]

I hate blender, it gives me nothing but suffering

[dreamy helm]

same, sometimes

Im gonna come off now tho lol, its getting late

[rain ore]

take it easy

also it's nothing you did, but I don't usually accept friend requests sorry

[severe shoal]

Do you think you might try something like Zbrush or Maya? I heard those are good

[rain ore]

I'm juggling way too much to try other alternatives atm. Working on models, texturing, base game remix compatibility, working with modders of the game I'm working on to enable cool stuff / get rid of some headaches, sharing assets with another group working on their own non-Remix remaster mod, and lots of time in the server ofc

it's quite a lot

[severe shoal]

That sounds like pain

But if you enjoy it good for you

[dreamy helm]

I didn't wanna be your friend anyway

Lol jk

[rain ore]

[dreamy helm]

You, erm

Stinky bum bum

Idk I'm struggling to say fake insults lol

[dreamy helm]

Expensive lol

Ooh ooh I have a good one I saw a while ago

"You upper class crumpet"

I don't know what it means 😭😭

[severe shoal]

Now why did that pop into your head

[dreamy helm]

Idk, I saw it on reddit a long time ago

This is where I saw it

This image was posted to reddit

[severe shoal]

True. They are industry standard though so I was wondering if he has a job as a modeller and therefore was using those tools as well

[dreamy helm]

They're only the industry standard because they have it easier when it comes to importing/exporting

Because addons have been made to allow for faster edits

[severe shoal]

You have had crumpets before right? Equivalent to asking if you’ve lived

[dreamy helm]

?

Ofc I have

Lol

[severe shoal]

Just wondering why this then

[dreamy helm]

Could you explain what an upper class crumpet is??

And don't just say "a posh crumpet" lol

[severe shoal]

Fine

A posh piece of food

[dreamy helm]

Lol

Brits are posh sometimes

The people in my area most certainly aren't

Somebody was stabbed last week

Literally like a 5 min walk away from where I live

[severe shoal]

Oh dear

Stay safe

[severe shoal]

Don’t search up the definition of a crumpet

😁

[dreamy helm]

Why, definition 1 or 2? Lol

[severe shoal]

Do you use google?

[dreamy helm]

Yes

[severe shoal]

Because I’m using DuckDuckGo lmao

[dreamy helm]

Oof

What do you get?

[severe shoal]

2 on google

I think just calling people food is funny

When you like them ofc haha

[dreamy helm]

Lol

That sounds like a buzz feed quiz

"Answer these 13 questions to find out what food you are"

Im spaghetti and meatballs btw

[fierce path]

1107 messages

this chat is nearly as big as the bigger projects

[fossil lark]

Opposite

[wispy crest]

There's quite the thread following this, might need a TlDR lol

[dreamy helm]

It's pretty much the same thing you were trying to fix before lol

Not being able to create new projects

[severe shoal]

Did you manage to send the file?

[dreamy helm]

?

I didn't need to

[severe shoal]

So you fixed it by creating the project manually?

[wispy crest]

Yeah I'm not sure, if both your drives are formatted as NTFS then I don't see why it wouldn't work

[dreamy helm]

Yeah, that's kind of why I gave up

Also because I was getting worried something was actually wrong with my pc

But saying that, literally everything else works as intended

So idk

[severe shoal]

I'm done with exams so I should have more time to work on this over the summer

Also I created a reference board on PureRef so if anyone wants it just lmk

So far this is for the first level. I love the walls in these shots and the street lights

[severe shoal]

The basics cause I keep making this file

[proven wedge]

Thanks! The menu looking crispyyyy. Not having control of the mouse suuuuuucks tho

[severe shoal]

Yeah I haven’t found a way to enable it

[proven wedge]

@severe shoal Do you have any issues switching between captures in the toolkit? I've never had this issue before, seems to only be in this game

[severe shoal]

Yeah that happened to me but stopped somehow. What you have to do is unload the scene from the three lines

Are you interested in helping me mod it?

[proven wedge]

Oh sweet thanks that worked! Just playing around for now, I haven't played the game yet, might not be the best candidate

[severe shoal]

Also I need to share the code to allow asset replacement

[severe shoal]

I haven’t played the game in 10 years so dw 😂

But I’m super passionate about it

Anyway if you do want to help lmk. Currently we need a few textures to be created but I don’t know substance designer

And it’s a big project

[proven wedge]

Totally, I'll let you know 👍

[severe shoal]

Progress was slow but it should be a lot quicker now that I understand remix and blender better 👍

The current plan is to set the mood of the game by perfecting the lighting first. Areas inside are completely unlit, even with fallback lighting (which will not be in the final release) which makes it almost impossible to pass through which is why I will be prioritising lighting to get it out the way. Then after I complete lighting for a level. I will fix all of the broken textures as there are heaps. After I complete lighting and broken textures and the mood is set 🕯️ , I'll be looking to replace all textures which will involve creating a lot from scratch if anybody would like to help, but also will use 2k PBR textures from online.

[lament swift]

Hi. How did you add the RTX Remix to the game?

[severe shoal]

Start the game without remix and change the graphics settings (except resolution) to lowest. Keep textures on high.
Use this to download rtx remix #remix-beginners-guide message
Add the files (not the containing folder) into folder with the exe. Change the launch options in steam or epic and add “-borderless”. Find the pcconfig.txt file in appdata and make it the same as the one in pinned messages. Then start the game. 👍

[lament swift]

Thanks!

I really want to try RTX Remix in LEGO games.

[lament swift]

Is the main menu supposed to look like this?

[severe shoal]

Yes. You have to use the in-game remix menu to adjust the game. Games will not work as intended without tweaking. You can use my config file to get started @lament swift

[severe shoal]

Do you have any previous modding experience?

[lament swift]

Yes

Can you share the config with me?

[severe shoal]

I linked it here

check the reply

[lament swift]

Nice

[severe shoal]

If you would like to help contribute, we could use someone who can create textures?

[lament swift]

I'll try

Send the textures that you have already made

[severe shoal]

I haven't made any textures myself yet as I was going to do that after lighting but its good to start now. Here is a mesh. Would it be possible to have a repeatable tile looking like this?

I'm trying to use the dark knight trilogy to influence the mod

[lament swift]

Yes

[lament swift]

That's cool

[severe shoal]

Thank you

[lament swift]

I want to work with you.

[lament swift]

I'm working on this.

[severe shoal]

They are on a truck. Remix didn't show the capture the objects so I had to place them on blind and get them aligned perfectly so it didn't show any overlapping texture

Added lights above to better showcase them. Used the RPG scene in the dark knight in the tunnel for reference

[lament swift]

Hi. I'm sorry it took so long. Check this one.

[lament swift]

I also did this.

[severe shoal]

Hey mate. Thank you for putting in the time. I'm a bit confused though. Is this for an existing texture or a new texture?

[lament swift]

This is the normal map for the new texture.

I'll send it today.

[lament swift]

Hi. I made the texture on for some reason I can't bake it, I'll figure it out tomorrow.

[lament swift]

Will something need to be changed?

[lament swift]

If anything, this is a screenshot

[severe shoal]

Does this look like what you got?

[lament swift]

No

[severe shoal]

Is it possible to screenshot?

With the normal and albedo map combined

Have you got a roughness and height map?

[lament swift]

You need to flip the normal map and change its scale.

[lament swift]

I'll send them to you tomorrow when I've sorted out the baking.

It's just that it's 00:58 in my region.

[severe shoal]

Ah go to sleep. Cya

[severe shoal]

This was recommended here https://xnormal.net/

[lament swift]

The problem is that I made the material in Blender.

Baking has worked for me before.

[severe shoal]

Ah

Maybe someone can help you in #asset-creation

[lament swift]

Yes, it is possible. Thank you.

[lament swift]

Turn out

[lament swift]

Change something?

[lament swift]

This texture is in 4K, maybe it's better to do it in 2K?

[severe shoal]

Can you share your blender file? It will be easier to see that way

Looks good so far though

[severe shoal]

Yeah 2k will reduce file size thanks

[lament swift]

Yes, now I will bake the Height and Roughness map and send it.

[lament swift]

Roughness and Height

[severe shoal]

I'll try them thank you!

[lament swift]

.blend

If everything works out, then I can start making the following textures?

Albedo in 2K

And Normal in 2k.

[severe shoal]

To be honest its not what I thought. Maybe there was some miscommunication. I'll annotate the original image

@lament swift

[lament swift]

Sorry, I understand what you're talking about. I'll send it a little later.

[severe shoal]

Thank you. Sorry I should have been more specific. Here is the sort of roughness I'm aiming for. https://ambientcg.com/view?id=Bricks066

Do you use node wrangler as well?

[lament swift]

Yes

[lament swift]

It seems to me that it will be more convenient for us to use this map, but if you want me to make it from scratch, then no problem.

[severe shoal]

Its a good idea to use the map yeah, saves time

[severe shoal]

Can you please make the UV maps work with this mesh? Its in the first level immediately to the left but I can't get the file because I broke remix

[lament swift]

If it's not difficult for you, can you give me the timecode of this frame?

[lament swift]

Yes, of course.

[severe shoal]

Yeah ofc. Sorry it took so long. It’s a bit after 1h 17m

[lament swift]

It's okay, thanks.

[severe shoal]

I've uploaded a quick playthrough of the first half of the first level. The lighting is pretty much done, textures for later. If you have any suggestions I would be eager to hear them
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10i4nMA4UVFioPhdzz8Kf_h1P6ycQFOWr/view?usp=drive_link

[lament swift]

That's cool!

Fixed the grid and UV map

I'll probably finish the textures today and send them.

[severe shoal]

Awesome. UVs are difficult. When do you think you will complete it by?

[lament swift]

Today or tomorrow.

[lament swift]

I used Smart UV Project, it is very convenient.

[lament swift]

Can you please roughly draw the shape of this.

[severe shoal]

I can’t make out what it is but could you make a basic sword please? You can use this for reference

Not the fancy hilt ofc

[lament swift]

Like this?

[severe shoal]

Yeah that’s looking really good! If you have time, could you add a bump above and below the swords, rounded above and levelled below like in the photo please?

What software are you using to make the texture?

I can’t wait to apply it. Then there is some toxic waste if you want to make

[lament swift]

I make an object in Blender and then bake it.

[lament swift]

Yes

It's an interesting experience for me, especially since I love LEGO games.

[severe shoal]

Yeah same. I’m going to watch the review to try and find what makes Lego games so good so I can try and enhance it

[severe shoal]

So I can use that on any blender model?

[lament swift]

Yes, of course, I will be only glad.

[lament swift]

Very cool.

[severe shoal]

Glad?

Ah To contribute

I really appreciate it

And think once we have the finished game it will be marvelous

[lament swift]

I Hope.

[lament swift]

I will send all the textures within 13-14 hours.

I'm sorry, I had a little technical problem today, so that's the only way

[severe shoal]

Are you creating bump maps or displacement maps?

[lament swift]

Yes, I will make them.

[severe shoal]

Which one though I mean? You only use one I think

[lament swift]

I was wrong, only the Displacement Map

[lament swift]

There are problems with baking again, I'll probably be a little late.

[severe shoal]

@rain ore What do you think? Any glaring issues you can see?

Please don't say using emissives as lighting 😂

I hate using stage lights

[lament swift]

You can use two copies of the object. Make one white and turn the other into Volume.

[rain ore]

not an excuse they aren't for that purpose

[severe shoal]

my head

[rain ore]

@winter maple please inform frisser here that emissives are bad as a main source of lighting

[severe shoal]

What do you mean?

[rain ore]

u don't even have to say why just use the nvidia background to confirm

[severe shoal]

Nvidia background?

Like this?

Does the general look and feel look good to you? Have you played a lego game before?

[lament swift]

@severe shoal

[rain ore]

bc he works at nvidia and does rendering on remix

so he'd know better than anyone. He's how I found out it's not the best idea

[rain ore]

I think having the autoshop background makes it hard to judge

[severe shoal]

I mean in this video. You don't have to open it if you want to be safe. You can stream it while in browser

[severe shoal]

Oh right Mark

[rain ore]

currently busy on stuff but I'll try to take a look later

[lament swift]

@severe shoal What do you think?

[severe shoal]

It is an emissive sphere behind a translucent sphere?

[severe shoal]

It looks good but I don't think remix is advanced enough to support volumes

[lament swift]

We can bake it.

Probably

But I think not.

[winter maple]

How much light a given spot receives from is calculated separate for emissives and lights. Lights from emissive (particularly emissives far away from the surface) tends to be very noisy, which results in boiling when you rely on it to light an entire scene.

Emissives are great for lighting a small area around the emissive object, but for more stable overall lighting you want actual lights providing the majority of your lighting.

This is particular to Remix's specific implementation, and may not be true in other engines. It also may not always be true of Remix - maybe someone will figure out a much better way of doing emissive lights that will flip this logic around. But for now, we've found that relying on emissive lights to light up the entire scene results in a lot of boiling, whereas relying on actual lights and just using emissives for accents provides much more stable lighting. (The specific test case for this was the floor lighting around the edges of rooms in Portal RTX, as well as the red light that comes from under some stair cases)

[severe shoal]

I see that makes more sense. What about if I only used them to light a small area around them but just had many emissive sources? That is what I'm currently doing but I'm no professional so I don't know if it looks good 😂

How do you define a "small area"?

[winter maple]

Do you understand what I mean when I say "boiling"?

[severe shoal]

I assume like a shimmering or like hot air?

That effect

[winter maple]

It's actually really hard to find good youtube videos of the effect I'm talking about, but it's basically an effect where if you just look at a wall, parts of the wall get brighter and dimmer continuously. It kinda looks like a pot of boiling water

basically, how bright the wall is isn't stable

[severe shoal]

Is it very noticable?

Because I can't seem to find it?

[winter maple]

yep. I know other people on this discord have run into it, which is when I originally recommended people rely more on regular lights over emissives

best example I can find (it's still very subtle in this shot)
https://youtu.be/3MSUqm_-Dgk?t=690
look at the wall right above the 4th step and you'll notice it's constantly changing color / brightness

That room was actually super noisy like that when the red light below the stairs was coming from an emissive texture - like the entire wall and ceiling were constantly doing that, instead of just a tiny corner above one step doing it.

we swapped to having a rect light below the stairs and it became a lot more stable

[severe shoal]

Thanks for telling me what it is. Currently I do not spot it and using emissives are much quicker for this big project. If I do spot it I will know what it is and change the scene to proper lights 🤝

[severe shoal]

Do you ever think emissives will be improved? Is there a bug report or something?

[winter maple]

It's just a matter of algorithm. Sampling lighting from emissive surfaces is more random than sampling it from lights, so it winds up being noisier.

maybe someone will figure out a better way, but for now that's just how it is

[severe shoal]

I got very bored and implemented some new textures

[severe shoal]

First Level is playable 🥳 A lot more work to do on it but it looks good

[severe shoal]

Definitely not finished or playable but cool

I'll do small posts like these if you want

[rain ore]

Looks sweet

Little progress posts are always fun

[severe shoal]

Did you get to check out the video yet? Dw if you are still busy

[rain ore]

Can't atm unfortunately

[severe shoal]

Me when I see vertex errorshttps://youtube.com/shorts/Y7XvSHyXnVM?si=tMjTaEG7ZBy9YELG

Sorry for my terrible sense of humour. My sister hates it

Anyway I had to redo the scene so that's why I haven't made further progress 😮‍💨

[rain ore]

@severe shoal looking surprisingly far along from the first minute

but the thing that stucks out most right away are these walls. They're in dire need of a PBR material + displacement

the light from the window here looks oddly bright. I think having a dimmer or more directed light (that isn't so soft) paired with a dim moonlight would look more atmospheric

okay yeah, general feedback is mainly the lighting from the windows looking really inaccurate. It works to have the play area be lit but visually it's not so great

[severe shoal]

How do I create moonlight?

[rain ore]

create a distant light, set the angle to your preference, make it something like 0.25 or 0.5 intensity, and enable color temperature and increase the value

for distant lights the position doesn't matter, only the angle

[severe shoal]

Looks innaccurate because of the bright sides? How can achieve the same look without the sides being bright?

[severe shoal]

And that won't cull once the referenced object moves out of camera view?

[rain ore]

that's why you need an object that's always loaded. Finding that object can be a little tricky

[severe shoal]

I don't think there are any

I could maybe make UI a regular object?

[rain ore]

also depends on what you mean by achieving the same look. Throughout the footage It's very very noticeable that you're using emissives for lighting. It feels too "vague" and directionless. Like in this shot I would imagine there being bright light coming from the windows onto the floor here but not extending further than that. And the lights in the back on the train would be almost like flood lights which would look striking

[rain ore]

it's unlikely you'll be able to do this unfortunately

the UI exists in its own plane of reality. Very very rarely do games render the UI within a 3D space before projecting it onto the player camera

[severe shoal]

I'm pretty sure mine does. It seems to keep defying expections 😂

Let me check

[severe shoal]

Isn't the light doing what you are expecting then?

[rain ore]

focus on the vague and directionless part. None of the light sources look distinct or have any identity to them

it all just kinda looks the same and a little awkward

[severe shoal]

I'm really not sure what you mean? 😂 Can you show me an example of it done properly please

[rain ore]

I can't unless I have the editor right in front of me lol

actually lemme try

one sec

really quick and frankly somewhat shitty example bc I'm too lazy to do something better. Left is a real light source, the right is using emissives only

the emissive just feels like "ok its adding light" and that's it. The real light source makes it actually look like a sort of spotlight that illuminates the area just as intended, giving it some ambiance

[severe shoal]

Ok I see

[rain ore]

btw this is using the same light intensity for each. However dedicated lights have more options like controlling softness and how wide the cone casting light is

[severe shoal]

Also the UI was rendered in 3d for a few seconds but it was black. Then it popped back to normak UI

[rain ore]

interesting. I wonder what you could make work

[severe shoal]

Characters?

[rain ore]

if it's in the 3D worldspace then you could try using the alpha blending parameters to set it as a color emissive

[severe shoal]

Is there any other way to light this scene apart from moonlight? There is a similar scene in the next level but its hidden by buildings so moonlight can't reach

[rain ore]

could you not just adjust the angle so it works?

[severe shoal]

Yeah but then when I'm in another area it will be hidden

[rain ore]

but also you could lower the emissive intensity on most light sources and use sphere lights in their place, Would look more focused? for lack of a better word

[severe shoal]

On windows?

Aaargh that means redoing everything

I want to quit this

Here is the same scene with a bit of moonlight and some emissives disabled

What do you think?

Do you think moonlight looks like baked lighting?

You know when you have the moon across the sea and the light is very directional and focused? How do I get that?

Istg if you say changing the focus and direction

[rain ore]

idk what the baked lighting looks like, but without that context I think the moonlight is too weak

you wanna be able to see shadowws coming from it

[rain ore]

change the angle

of the directional light source I mean. Like literally rotating it

[severe shoal]

How far should the distant light be away?

[rain ore]

.

It's always infinitely far away

[severe shoal]

Oh right thanks

I like the shadows but something about it makes it feel so flat

[rain ore]

i told you, change the color temperature

toggle it and adjust the value higher

but also there's another value, forgot the name, which adjusts how quickly shadows go from sharp to soft. You probably want it to be softer

[severe shoal]

I did that

Its very slightly yellow. I don't know whether its too little or not?

[rain ore]

set the value higher

higher = cooler

you want moonlight to have a slight blue hue to it

[severe shoal]

Ah right. I'll try that. The movies have a yellowish tint so that is what I was aiming for but blue will be more realitistic

I got the ui to stay black

[severe shoal]

What do you guys think? I have no idea what to think anymore

I'm so tired from this. Might take a break

[rain ore]

Imo that looks dramatically better than what you had before, good stuff

If I were to suggest possible changes, it would be to make the distant light temperature even cooler (so higher number -> more blue), I'd turn down the emissive intensity a bit on the lights and use sphere lights instead as the main source of light

Something I may have not communicated very well before is that you're really supposed to use emissives and dedicated lights together. Emissives are great for that nice glow/bloom effect that a dedicated light source alone wouldn't give you typically

You're absolutely heading in the right direction though, I see a ton of potential

[severe shoal]

Working UI texture

[severe shoal]

Yes don't worry I know. In that video lamps do not have any effect on the surrounding environment as intended, the yellow you see is not from the lamps but from the colour of the distant light. I'll try changing the tint. It was more an artistic choice but I don't know how everybody feels about that

[severe shoal]

I’ll double check tomorrow. I’ve changed them 1000 times so I don’t know if that’s the current one

[severe shoal]

So to explain myself because I realise now that this looks inconsequential, all ui except for text is being rendered in the 3d space as if even one asset of ui is marked as ui (except text) the ui flickers and the light breaks. I’ve attached it to the circle icon around a pfp and I hope it doesn’t change depending on the character played otherwise we have a big problem. I’m using a distant light to light everything. It’s giving me an early morning look. Lamps will be used for a small orange glow on the floor around them and the bloom effect which will be the same size as in the movies. Mark advised me not to use emissive lights as they cause a boiling effect, however after reviewing the game, I can’t see it so if I do notice it, I will handle on a case by case basis, but I don’t want anymore bonks on the head from auto unless aesthetically it looks bad.
This project is on its last legs as I want to focus on a course for Maya sometime in the future. Thanks to people who have contributed. I don’t know if anyone will read this.

[severe shoal]

@rain ore Why can't more than two sphere lights exist at once?

[lament swift]

Are you back?

[severe shoal]

I haven't started the course on Maya set. Don't know when I want to do that

[rain ore]

There can

Where are you getting that

[severe shoal]

#asset-creation message

Maybe two lights can't be close to each other?

[rain ore]

They can be

The important question is what are you parenting those lights under

Like what model

[severe shoal]

Two different models. I tried the same model as well

[rain ore]

Because it could be culling related if it's parented to something that was no longer being rendered

[rain ore]

I need to know which ones

Is it the lamp model that it's placed over?

[severe shoal]

Yes

And then I tried the lamp stand

[rain ore]

I saw Adam suggested it being possibly related to LODs. You can test that by disabling raytracing and running back and forth in that same spot. Pay close attention to those light models, and see if the quality swaps back and forth

[severe shoal]

Then I attached it to another mesh that also a sphere light that is constantly showing and it still popped in and out

[rain ore]

another possibility is that it's not an LOD swap but it's unstable geometry for whatever reason. You can see if that's the case by using the geometry hash debug view in the remix overlay. Run back and forth in that spot, see if the light changes color

I suspect you'll find the answer by trying those two things out

[severe shoal]

Somethings happening but I don't know what

I'll record

[rain ore]

Check the geometry hash debug view then

[rain ore]

Roger, but I have something to do so it'll be a while until I can check. If that's fine with you then by all means

[severe shoal]

Would unstable geometry still be the problem if I have attached the light to multiple things?

It looks like noise

[rain ore]

Think of it like this. Remix assigns a unique ID to every single model it recognizes when translating it through to the pathtracer. An unstable hash means Remix is recognizing the same object as multiple different meshes, each with their own IDs based on some behavior of the base game that doesn't play nicely. If you parent the light to the lamp model and the lamp model is unstable, then the light will only exist when that exact object ID is what's showing on screen. If it switches to a different ID (even if the object itself looks exactly the same), Remix won't have a light assigned to that so it goes poof

Going on lunch break, I'll drop by again later

[severe shoal]

No change in geometry hash colour

[severe shoal]

Ok cya enjoy

[rain ore]

That's a good sign that its fixable

[severe shoal]

I took this picture on the way back and now my family think I’m weird so somebody better use it. Hopefully it will help as a reference for the new texture I am working on

Its so similar to this it shocked me. I haven't found any textures like it online

[severe shoal]

For this wall

[rain ore]

You know... You could use the real life photo as the base for a texture

I think @fossil lark might have an idea of how that would work because I have 0 clue

He does photogrammetry stuff

[severe shoal]

Oooooooh

Good idea

[rain ore]

Yep. Hard to get any better detail than what shows up in the real world

I know instaMAT has an image->PBR conversion feature but that image as-is wouldn't be ideal for it, I don't know the process for making it a good input

[severe shoal]

All I have to do is throw away my dignity and scan a wall

Will be fun

[rain ore]

Yeah that would definitely do the trick

[severe shoal]

Don't say I don't do anything in Remix lol

[severe shoal]

Maybe I can use Quixel software or something

[rain ore]

Just join in on the photogrammetry craze. Adam pushed me to scan a rock for days

[severe shoal]

I saw a demo of someone using their phone camera

Lmao

Did you?

[rain ore]

Nah fuck those rocks

Adam just sent me one he scanned himself lmao

[severe shoal]

😂

[rain ore]

Which I think I'm going to end up using anyways so

[severe shoal]

There must be so many rocks already scanned on the internet?

Do you want to use those or do everything yourself?

Also

[rain ore]

An endless number of them. But it's very rare that they're scanned entirely solo as it's own standalone object. Most scans I've seen that are free online are too large a scale to make use of

[severe shoal]

You can't pull them apart?

[rain ore]

Like many different rocks piled up and full cliff faces with all the random bits of greenery or whatever that comes with it

[rain ore]

Photoscanned meshes are the spawn of satan

You can't reasonably modify them

[severe shoal]

Oh nvm then

On my mod description, includes Satan spawn

[rain ore]

My understanding is typically you use the scan as a high poly base, then use some simple cleanup features in modeling software to make the poly count and vertex distribution at least somewhat okay lol

[severe shoal]

I suffer trying to clean up basic meshes

I downloaded a software called Mesh Anything though, that could do it

Probably

[rain ore]

Or you can be like tadpole who's working on COD2 and is only using real world photoscans. Traveling about to find WW2 era guns and equipment to use and it looks insane. He manually retopologizes his scanned models and it looks fkn unbelievable for how low poly the wireframe looks. You'd have no idea it was such an optimized model looking at it alone

[severe shoal]

Have you heard of it?

[severe shoal]

Wow

That is insane

[rain ore]

Haven't myself, no

[severe shoal]

#asset-creation message

Actually I need to speak to @amber shale about it

Spent many hours wrestling with python requirements for it not to work

Anyway you're probably busy. Ttyl

[rain ore]

Oh yeah. I have no clue how it works in practice lol

[rain ore]

Mainly just hopping between chats but I'm gonna take a break soon

[fossil lark]

It's likely granite or marble. Granite is way more common.

The ridge part is called banded rustication.

[severe shoal]

Thank you! I'm downloading and trying it now

[rain ore]

Oh yeah, Adam is the material expert. If you need an idea of what something is in order to recreate it well, he's your guy

[severe shoal]

I'm trying to find it but I can't get something that looks like it. I'm searching for limestone, granite and sandstone

And concrete but that has too many bumps

Granite has flecks

So if anyone could find a pbr material for the wall I would be deeply grateful

Doesn't have to be the right colour

[fossil lark]

Those walls will have flecks, they don't really appear till you get close up. This is granite.

[severe shoal]

I’ll look at shrinking the texture with the UV in the morning thanks

[amber shale]

Yes? I didn't try Mesh Anything myself

[severe shoal]

Never mind then sorry

[severe shoal]

Redid all the lights in the first half of the first level. Let me know what you think!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JKFaxS2LyXteeIkSmyflJAPe8WzEHG6i/view?usp=sharing

I also did like 1 or two texture replacements, for example the glass underneath the big sign

[severe shoal]

I’ve watched it like 4 times

[severe shoal]

@rain ore I figured out the problem with the distant light. Not all my assets were unmarked as UI so the assets originally intended as UI would jump back and act as if they were marked UI when I loaded a new scene. This would get rid of the distant light. So I unmarked it as UI and now all UI work. However this leaves me with a problem. I had to unmark text being UI so now I have no text. Any ideas?

[rain ore]

My understanding is when Remix marks something as UI, all drawcalls before it are also rasterized. Generally this isn't a problem as 99% of games render the UI before anything else. But that's what explains the behavior of marking one thing causing others to also behave like they have the UI tag

If I had to guess you have to mark the text texture as UI to see it. I don't think it'll work in-world, and I doubt it's drawn before the rest of the UI so there's a good chance it'll force the rest out of the game world too

[severe shoal]

So basically I have to mark it as UI and don't have any other alternative? I wish they made an inbetween state but I guess that won't be helpful for games that don't render UI in 3d space?

[rain ore]

An in-between isn't possible. What happens is there's basically a directX9 container built into the Remix renderer (iirc) and when you mark something as UI, it's placed into the DX9 container and drawn using the typical DX9 UI drawcalls

[severe shoal]

Why is my text disappearing then but the rest of the UI is fine when not marked as UI?

[rain ore]

When you say it's fine, do you mean it renders in world or it looks the same as just tagging as UI

[severe shoal]

I mean in looks the similar to tagged UI (but dark) and is in the same position on my HUD despite being rendered in the world.

[rain ore]

Sounds like the text can't render in-world while the rest of the HUD technically can in some capacity

[severe shoal]

Ah so its a game issue. Damn

[rain ore]

The reason for that? I'm not sure, games are weird, with their own unique behaviors. In my project when I have the player's helmet enabled I can't mark the UI as UI, or it breaks the graphics to all be rasterized

[severe shoal]

Should I ask a dev if there is a fix?

[rain ore]

That's because in Republic Commando much of the UI is actually drawn LAST. Which is fucking awful given the behavior I mentioned before

[rain ore]

Unless the dev mods the game they're not gonna have a workaround

In the case of RC, I was able to get the UI rendering in world by marking it as terrain if you could believe it

[severe shoal]

Hm I'll try that

Terrain has affected my UI before

[rain ore]

But I believe this is unique to RC. It projects the HUD onto a mesh surface of the helmet. If the UI wasn't blended onto the helmet then this wouldn't work

A lot of odd Remix workarounds like the terrain tagging are going to be unique to how the game itself behaves. I think it's somewhat unlikely that Batman has a mesh overlay in front of the screen that does alpha blending for the UI

No harm in trying ofc

[severe shoal]

It didn't work 😢

[severe shoal]

Would a flag to force the asset to render in the world and not as UI help? That way it could fix hidden text or we could mark normal UI this way so we have a constant in the scene and then mark text as UI to fix it

Or could remix not create a mesh around the texture of the UI and assign the texture to that and render it in the world?

[severe shoal]

You’re like I’m done with Frissers crazy/stupid ideas

[rain ore]

So fun fact, I was responding and had a 90% finished reply but I guess something else got my attention and I never sent it

[rain ore]

You're more likely to be able to assign the texture to a mesh and hope it actually updates in realtime like normal

[severe shoal]

Hmmmmm 🤔lol

[severe shoal]

I was thinking it could be a future feature that I could suggest? Also what do you mean by this?

[severe shoal]

Did a Yeti invade your house this time lol? Jk

[severe shoal]

I redid all lights in the second half of the first level now. I’ll post a demo soon.
Edit: needs a bit more work

In the time autos taken to answer

[rain ore]

Honestly I'm just thinking out loud, I come up with stupid ideas sometimes but eventually one idea isn't that stupid

You could request something like that. I don't know how it would work in practice

Or if that's possible on a technical level

[sand cave]

Is the game updated?

Like ready to download with remix?

[severe shoal]

I’ve only completed the lighting for the first level sorry

I haven’t published it yet

You can have it if you want but it’s not anything special yet

[severe shoal]

You’re the first person outside the regular community to ask for the mod 🥳I’m honoured you came here first

[severe shoal]

My entire project folder is 56Gb and I've only mostly only done the lighting for the first level 💀

Actual mod folder is only like 1.6Gb tho

[severe shoal]

Credits to @amber shale for the neon sign ❤️

Sorry for not tagging sooner

The project is going well 👌

[severe shoal]

This is for robin to walk up with magnetic boots but Batman has to destroy nearby objects with a sonar gun to get the materials to repair the vent. So I thought it was quite fitting to include rust. I’ll be trying to use objects and materials for better storytelling. This is why remix is so interesting

[sand cave]

Its looking good plz keep it up

it would be amazing to relive lego batman with my brother as me and him used to play it as children and the og with the terrible graphics just kinda is differnet then the nostalgia as a kid but with ur hard work and fixing it up i just cant wait to play it

🙂

[severe shoal]

**Is anyone with experience in Remix able to help me with the project?? I feel I do not have enough experience with Remix to be able to work around the limitations and progress will be sped up a lot by having someone onboard. **

[rain ore]

My advice would be to focus on what you know you an do. Don't try and do everything at once like I did, it mindfucked me and made me have less progress overall than if I didn't

Something rune suggested to me a while back was to try and complete one small "thing" as a proof of concept it could be one fully remastered room, one remastered level, something that shows off what's possible.

[severe shoal]

I feel that is what I am doing, focusing on what I can do. However what I do, still looks so shit lol. I am overwhelmed and need a fresh pair of eyes and someone with experience to help

[rain ore]

You say it looks like shit, but every time I come across a video even if it's showing off problems I'm impressed with how much things have changed since the beginning

when I look at it I think "wow, he's making it happen". Getting burnout isn't uncommon, it happens to everyone at some point or another. It would be great if someone did come to assist though as it's true two sets of eyes are better than one. Unfortunately I'm all in on my SWRC project

[severe shoal]

Yeah I understand you can't 😢 Many people have expressed interest but are working on other things atm

I don't even know if it can be done which really bothers me

its dx9c

You know how pessimistic I am about Remix lol

[rain ore]

it's dx9c yet clearly you have one of the extremely few dx9c games that seems to work

I can't remember the last time I saw a dx9c game get as far as what you have now. Usually it just stops at "well there's something happening"

[severe shoal]

Nothing about it works lol

[rain ore]

I watched you play through a chunk of a level

[severe shoal]

I'm extremely curious if the problems I have are in other non dx9c games?

For example, I can't replace every instance of an object automatically?

Extreme culling that isn't in the base game

If I replace objects that are meant to move, they don't move

Text aaaaaaaaaargh go f yourself

Vector colours

Objects are split up into 1000 pieces

I'm tempted to come back to this when remix has more compatibility but I feel the rate of progress is so slow and I've seen how informed the devs are so I'm really confused

It literally feels like I'm putting in heaps of hours into a project that can never be playable because of the issues

[rain ore]

remember that this doesn't matter. If there's a single object split into a ton of pieces. just join them all together in blender and spare yourself the trouble. It's as simple as ctrl+J

[rain ore]

from what I can see, that appears to be far from the case

too early to throw in the towel saying it's joever. If you need a break or you want to move on to other things, there's no shame in those either.

give yourself breathing room. You'll thank yourself for it

[severe shoal]

Remix is my life lol

[severe shoal]

Could you pin this please?

[severe shoal]

And is it possible to change the image in Remix projects?

Thanks

[rain ore]

mine too. I could handle it much better after I started letting myself do other things instead of tunnel vision. For me that's Cyberpunk and a couple multiplayer fps games. Very different from blender/remix toolkit lol

[severe shoal]

I've completely lost my interest in gaming lol, its weird. But do you have any games that I could check out then? I've played Cyberpunk

[rain ore]

if you mean the thumbnail then no, you need to make a new thread to do that. It's what I did with my project however, the previous OP agreed to have the thread deleted so I could start it myself. I'd have to double check but we might be able to get that for you

[severe shoal]

Nah its not worth it thanks

Unless I am close to finishing it

And won't give up, there is plenty here that could help some people

[rain ore]

well my top 3 games of all time are Outer Wilds, NieR Automata, and Prey 2017. They're all dramatically different so pick your poison 👍 those first two had very lasting impacts on me when I finished them, they hit like a truck

[severe shoal]

Good choices

I've played Outer Wilds and Prey. Maybe I'll try NieR Automata

[rain ore]

It's a good one. Also using a gamepad is a nice reset from the productivity KBM use lol

hope you enjoy it

[severe shoal]

Have you played Life is Strange?

[rain ore]

haven't actually, don't think it's my type of game though. Closest would be telltale's walking dead though I only played the first

[severe shoal]

Fair enough. It’s just a game that had a lasting impact on me because of its amazing story

[severe shoal]

I’ve submitted a bug report. I’m probably not going to do much until it is fixed. I cba with remix right now

[winter maple]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/575
So, took a gander at that issue.

It looks like Remix captured a single support girder, even though multiple of them show up in game. I believe this happens when the game relies on vertex shaders to actually position the meshes, since all of those instances are using a single mesh hash (which is calculated before running the vertex shader), but after running the vertex shader they actually all have different meshes.
In this case, replacing that mesh will probably fail, since the mesh shader won't be run on the replacement mesh

What about shaders used to make textures? Lots of my objects in my game have no material assigned to them and i want to use texture replacements but can’t do an asset replacement to get a material because asset replacements don’t move in my game
Most likely, the game is using vertex shaders to position the meshes (which is why mesh replacement fails), and then using pixel shaders to actually render those meshes to the screen. This is outside of the scope of what Remix can support right now

If the game is using a mix of fixed function and shader pipeline for different objects, you might be able to mod the original game to use simple textures instead of shaders for those objects

[severe shoal]

Thanks for explaining. I’ll add it to the issue

[severe shoal]

Would you mind if I asked the developer of ninja ripper for his advice and then relay it as it might provide some insight on whatever solution he worked out (even though it might have nothing to do with whatever remix needs)

And you might not be able to focus on this issue until months away

I’m just hoping to help sorry

[winter maple]

Well, if he can share some insight that will make supporting shaders much easier, then that work may get bumped up to happen sooner. Right now we're focusing on fixed function pipeline because we want some full mods to be released

[rain ore]

||^thats mark rushing me||

[severe shoal]

Yeah auto stop being so selfish and taking your sweet ass time

Could I maybe get the creator role as well please? 🥺

[rain ore]

it's actually self assigned! https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1053018418078556160

last msg

[severe shoal]

Ooooh

[winter maple]

just to be clear - please don't take that as any sort of commitment - I don't have any authority to commit to or promise anything

[rain ore]

I'm pulling your leg mark!!

[winter maple]

😌

[rain ore]

Lmao

[severe shoal]

I’m not

https://tenor.com/view/wallace-and-gromit-penguin-stick-em-up-gun-gif-15832936

[fresh sonnet]

I'm bored and saw someone ask about turning something into a material, so I did, kinda.

[rain ore]

conversion software im guessing

[fresh sonnet]

I don't even know what that would refer to lol

[rain ore]

like insert an image -> it gets converted into a PBR texture

[fresh sonnet]

i threw it in Materialize since that's what I have

but I just realized I could have made something better beforehand

[amber shale]

You could make a better texture with a tiny bit more effort

[rain ore]

no offense my man but that does not work. It's very very easy to make good brick materials, you'd be surprised. "materialize" makes me think instamat right

you could get something way better in under 30 min

and that's assuming first time use

the materialize algorithm made it too puffy and soft, almost like clay

[amber shale]

Ngl you could add more effort but it all just boils down to the time required. If you don't have time to go through all the textures and apply the same details then something like an image to PBR works just fine

[amber shale]

Here's a simple geometry I made out of a plane texture then baked it later on. Much better results

[fresh sonnet]

You try it, then! >:(

[amber shale]

Is this upscaled?

[fresh sonnet]

no

[amber shale]

Have you tried #1263287747905327236 though

[fresh sonnet]

I do not have a capable computer / the necessary understanding to even use it.

[rain ore]

It's very easy to recreate this. Just for confirmation, you're using instaMAT right? That's what's being referred to by "materialize"?

If so I can create an example for you on how to make something like that manually

[dense heath]

Materialize is its own thing, I think

https://boundingboxsoftware.com/materialize/downloads.php

[rain ore]

O

[dense heath]

It's an MIT license image manipulator with an extremely basic UI, but they used it to batch convert textures for Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection.

[severe shoal]

Do you want the log of the rip? It contains loads of things like texcoordinates, vertex buffers and shaders.

Anyway if you want it here it is 👍

[winter maple]

As far as I can tell, Ripper is just capturing the shader and re-using that shader later, which isn't an option for Remix.

[rain ore]

This is due to the nature of Remix being realtime + a pathtracer right?

[winter maple]

Recreating the exact pixel that the original game would make when drawing the triangle to the screen isn't the same as trying to understand that triangle so it can be fed into a path tracer.

We can re-run the original game's shader to evaluate the color of a particular point on a triangle just fine - DXVK comes with that build in, and that's how all the UI gets rendered.

The problem is that it would be tremendously expensive to run those shaders every time a ray hits a triangle - and those shaders only output a color, not a PBR material.

[severe shoal]

Is it possible to convert those shaders into something the game can handle? For example I have trash cans that normally just look like a solid colour but for the material isn't captured by remix so its white. This might be because of what you said about shaders combining materials but if they are converted and then cached as a material replacement Remix won't have to run the shaders everytime and there won't be more work than a normal object?

In an ideal world, there would be some AI to analyse the difference between two meshes. For example I've got a big black shiny car, which could be a black albedo texture with a low roughness value

Thanks for checking the logs out

[severe shoal]

Or when my game uses shaders to translate its position which is why I couldn't capture the objects in that state, I could be able to set this as a static object so its cached once and its position can be reused or I could set it to a dynamic object and then its shaders can be used to determine the position frequently or like frame gen, its predicted or we would also be able to set a movement path for objects to loop in

[winter maple]

There are a lot of things we can experiment with when it comes to shader support, but it really all comes down to time - right now we're focused on fully supporting games that are highly compatible with our existing approach, over expanding partial compatibility out to games that stretch the limits.

[severe shoal]

Yeah ofc. I look forward to it 👍

[severe shoal]

Aaaaaaargh

Aaaargh

Anyway its coming along. I want to use emergency lights to light up the support beams so its covered in a soft red glow

New geometry to make the pipes and things more round

Sometimes I got lazy

And there are 3d nuts and bolts now

I'm trying to use a skylight for moonlight but the effect is only okay

[rain ore]

because you're not supposed to how many times do I have to say it

[severe shoal]

Whaaaaaaaaaat

Why

Its a window

With a normal light above

Using bounce lighting not direct

And tinted

What more do you want from me lmao

[rain ore]

I think I'm not understanding the context so ignore me then lol

[severe shoal]

Please say you think the rest of it is good lol 🤞

Or is there anything else I can improve?

I'm not creative so this is mostly a reskin

[severe shoal]

Would you guys prefer a moody abandoned factory or a fun ice cream factory?

Or a mix of both?

I don't know the tone, need some help please

Fine a mix of both. I'll take inspiration from my favourite wheres wally lol, the cake factory

Unless someone has a better idea

[rain ore]

without seeing it in-game it's hard to say. In my experience my work always looks significantly better once it's implemented

[severe shoal]

The most exciting and difficult creating yet, cardboard. Its got a little cave inside which I always wanted to create irl

Its better than this generic box

And people say I lose my head lol

[lament swift]

Was the normal map for the wall already in the game or is it a 3d model?

[severe shoal]

Its a new texture. The mesh already existed in the game

Not my texture

[lament swift]

Ok.

[severe shoal]

Special ice cream they are making

Any improvements let me know

[severe shoal]

Magnet surface you walk up

[severe shoal]

Made it more glowy

[severe shoal]

It would be nice if someone could help me 😢 Anyone interested in LB and free?

I'm not paying

[rain ore]

Tbf no one would expect payment since it's modding lol

But I feel you, even with help in some areas I've been having trouble keeping everything together

[severe shoal]

It was one of my terrible jokes lol. I asked is anyone interested and free (so spare time)

[severe shoal]

Yeah that too but its also more fun with people and others can bring their own creativity which would help

[rain ore]

Agreed. I know I've found enjoyment working with modders of the base game just seeing what can be done with a hybrid mod (remix + vanilla game mod combined)

[dreamy helm]

I would help, but I have a lot of issues with remix

So I gave up

[severe shoal]

That is understandable its not a polished software. I'm glad you are still following the project though. It won't be done anytime soon tho so maybe when Remix is more developed you can try again? I remember you had problems with installing and making a mod?

[dreamy helm]

Yeah, I think its an issue with something I did with my CMD? I'm not entirely sure

[severe shoal]

Maybe the people here can help you fix it?

[dreamy helm]

They've tried, but it ends up either being too complicated/taking too long, or not being able to sort it out

[severe shoal]

That's a shame. I'll look back at old messages when I have time

[severe shoal]

I made a bug report about the issue with not being able to create a project or replace assets with this game and they actually fixed it! I think that’s the issue you had?

[dreamy helm]

I also wasn't able to replace assets at one point!

So that might have been it

I might take a look tomorrow

[severe shoal]

Would someone be able to create a lego minifigure of Mr Freeze's wife who was frozen by Mr Freeze as she had an incurable disease which he was trying to cure. I will put her in an ice block in his observatory

Or would it be legal to rip the characters from Lego Batman 2?

[lament swift]

Try mecabricks.com

[amber shale]

https://youtu.be/8UTBY03wGmU?si=VVY8zJqJj_x6JSmm

[lament swift]

When you install the addon and import the model, do not forget to switch to Edit Mode, select all and click M -> Merge by distance.

[severe shoal]

Thanks very much

[amber shale]

Can you show us the model for that? Not asking you to rip because that would be inappropriate but not illegal I think

[severe shoal]

https://youtu.be/7zFG_r0n7OQ?si=m0ZnPgAlPwHX_kfy&t=520

She was taken out the game

If its not illegal I will do it unless I can build her in mecabricks

@rain ore Hey Auto. Is it illegal to rip a model from the sequel and use that model?

[rain ore]

Personal response, not related to being a mod here. I don't think the modding community as a whole cares too much about pulling models from other games. Is it illegal? Idk, maybe? It's never actually been tried in court because these companies tend to not care about modding at all. And I believe there's an aspect to IP law where if a company doesn't make any effort to protect parts of it, they can't go after any one person or group out of nowhere over it.

With that limited legal knowledge out of the way, whether it's responsible/good/bad/etc to use ripped models is a lot more of a gray area. I don't want to do it for my mod because I think it legitimizes the project more as a serious thing but it's also an ungodly amount of effort, so I'd never tell others they shouldn't out of principle. It also matters that I hope Nvidia gives my project coverage, which I think they'd be far less willing to do with ripped models being used. I doubt you're too concerned with that personally so take that as you will

[severe shoal]

Hm thank you. I actually am hoping for coverage of the game and will reach out to TT games if I think its in a good state so I won't do any ripping then

You doubt my ambitions hahaha, except I wanted to rip instead of create lol

[amber shale]

hmm, recreating that hair profile would be a problem

[severe shoal]

They have a model of it in mecabricks

The exact one

[amber shale]

Perfect

[severe shoal]

Are you looking to create it?

[amber shale]

i might i mean

[severe shoal]

Sure if you have time it would be much appreciated

[rain ore]

Reaching out to TT games for what? Because I think that would go opposite of what you'd hope whether you use ripped models or not. Companies don't recognize mods generally at all, even if it might otherwise seem to their benefit

[severe shoal]

Ah that's a shame. I haven't done any modding before this. I was hoping they could post on twitter or something. The amount of people playing is very low and I know they want more as a few years ago they gave the LB series for free

[rain ore]

Yeah unfortunately that's extremely unlikely

[severe shoal]

What about from nvidia?

[rain ore]

That said it's entirely possible you get featured on moddb and such

[severe shoal]

I know I'm not as good as you hahaha

[rain ore]

Part of the reason I think I might have a chance being shown off by Nvidia is because the game I chose having a kind of legendary status from back in the day. If I play my cards right I think there's widespread interest in such a project just waiting to be seen

So it has nothing to do with skill or lack thereof

For Nvidia I'm not sure. You could ask

[severe shoal]

Tell me more lol

[rain ore]

One of the Nvidia people here is a community manager specifically, I forget who

[rain ore]

Star Wars Republic Commando is a classic. You see it talked fondly on every time it comes up online. You always see people saying "man I wish it got a sequel" or "I would kill to see it get a proper remaster". There's a lot of untapped passion for it

[severe shoal]

Ohhhhh I thought you were saying you had a legendary status

But yes the same is highly regarded

[rain ore]

oh definitely not I'm just a nobody

though I'd love to become a somebody if the project got recognized widely 🙂 it's not something I'm directly pushing for, rather I think given the circumstances there's potential assuming I don't screw it up

[severe shoal]

I was thinking the Hideo Kojima of modding is releasing a new mod with Nvidia Remix for a legendary game

[rain ore]

lmao

would be fun

[severe shoal]

Yeah

We can both hope for fame🤞

I'm going to put together something for showcase so look out

[dreamy helm]

I'm still unable to create a remix project

[severe shoal]

With a new runtime?

Then a setup a new project with the new captured

[dreamy helm]

I already did that

a clean install of a game that I know works with remix, no modification required

I used omniverse' built in remix to launch the game initially

then I made a capture (and game launched fine btw)

tried to create a project file and it gives me this message

I dont see the prompt

either during or after

[severe shoal]

If you launch another software as an admin does it give you the prompt?

[dreamy helm]

wdym?

[severe shoal]

Try launching a closed app with admin and see if it asks you to except admin permissions

Otherwise your system might give admin automatically which is why there is no prompt

[dreamy helm]

You mean like this?

I couldn't screenshot

Hence the photo lol

[severe shoal]

I’m not sure. Did you press the windows key to open the menu and search for gimp then press launch as administrator?

[dreamy helm]

Yep

it also opens that prompt if I find the exe directly, and launch as admin too

[severe shoal]

Where are you setting up the project?

[dreamy helm]

on my D drive

which is also where the game is located

[severe shoal]

Initially so you also downloaded the latest version using the tool on discord? Sorry to check

[dreamy helm]

I used the Remix apps built in Remix

but thats not the part i'm having issues with

[severe shoal]

Try changing the permissions of the project folder and remix app folder to “everyone” and tick replace permissions of all subfolders. You will have to change trusted principal to everyone as well.

Can you share your mod file please?

[dreamy helm]

im giving up for now lmao

if something seems too complicated I lose interest pretty quick

[severe shoal]

Ok

[dreamy helm]

im making a music mashup rn

[severe shoal]

I ask because it may not be up to date. It’s like a month or two old

[severe shoal]

Nice

[dreamy helm]

I updated to erm

2024.4.1

[severe shoal]

It’s the runtime that’s the problen, not the toolkit

It was causing the problem for me

#remix-beginners-guide message

Try using this if you want

And create a new project with the capture

[severe shoal]

To manage everyone's expectations because even though they are probaby more accurate than mine, I want to give my version as I am putting a lot of pressure on myself. I have only completed about half of the first two levels (my thoughts on this change daily) and there are 36 levels. The fact that many people are interested in this project is the only thing that keeps me going and I hope it means once released, other people will play it too. Though it means I am cautious about keeping your attention. Post two much and you unfollow, post too little and you get bored. What I'm trying to say is stick with me please. it means more than you can imagine.

[dreamy helm]

my main issue is that lego is also really hard to model

because of the topology required for certain bricks

[rain ore]

I feel like Lego would be relatively easy to model. Could you give an example where you think there could be trouble?

[severe shoal]

I think the hair might be hard. We can use mecabricks for that luckily

[lament swift]

You can use the basic model of the minifigure, it turns out that the most difficult thing is to make your own textures.

[rain ore]

He mentioned Lego bricks specifically, which seem very easy to me at first thought. I agree more unique pieces like hair would be tough. I also agree that textures would be by far the hardest part. So much so that I think it's not feasible to redo them. Instead they should probably be done via AI

Then if you want to do handmade PBR maps from there that would be reasonable-ish (time consuming as hell)

[severe shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/holdon-toyourbutts-jurassicpark-gif-4858777

[lament swift]

Is this for LB?

[severe shoal]

Yep

Poison Ivy level. Developers made everything dead but that is not accurate to the comics, she brings plant life wherever she goes

I'm trying to think of the motives and general personalities of every villain

[lament swift]

An accurate statement. Is there a difference between a BFA and a regular Blender?

[severe shoal]

Hahahaha. I hate regular blender

But everyone uses it so I have to switch the keybinds for tutorials

[severe shoal]

I have a bforartists virgin

@rain ore

He converted me

I don't think I would still be working on this if it wasn't for bforartists, not auto

[severe shoal]

Are you working on a project?

[lament swift]

No, I want to focus on learning 3d and Blender. Maybe I should switch to Maya, because it is required in most studios.

[severe shoal]

Yeah that is what I will do

Hows your learning coming along?

[lament swift]

Not good or bad, the problem is that I didn't have a clear training plan before, I'm going to fix it.

[severe shoal]

You can find courses online

They can take 10 - 50 hours the good ones

Or more

[lament swift]

Yes, the courses provide structured learning.

Can you recommend anything if you've tried it?

In fact, it's even a little disappointing that the Blender will not be able to become an industry standard, at least in the near future.

[rain ore]

Blender4Artists is a large community made fork of blender that focuses on having a more approachable interface. Better defaults, more contrast on icons to recognize stuff on the fly, less repetition in options (so not multiple places for the same thing)

The best part is that it doesn't stray so far from vanilla blender that lessons can't be transferred. On first startup just select the blender keymap as your default and all controls are 1:1 with vanilla. They have a great alternate control scheme which uses the WER standard for mode switching but it makes it harder to learn

[lament swift]

Thanks for the explanation.

[rain ore]

Np. I highly recommend it

https://www.bforartists.de/

[lament swift]

@rain ore Can you recommend anything for training? Lessons, courses, resources or something like that.

[rain ore]

(to give one direct reference, blender vs bforartists)

[wild lily]

i should give it a try

[rain ore]

The famous go-to is the blender guru's donut tutorial

[wild lily]

its really slow to load

[rain ore]

I never did it but that's probably a mistake on my part

[rain ore]

Works instantly for me

[wild lily]

yet it could load google.com but not for this

i dont wanna even know if they banned it

[rain ore]

Oh yeah you're Russian right

[wild lily]

no

[rain ore]

O

[wild lily]

turkish actually

[rain ore]

Would turkey block a site?

[lament swift]

This is a classic that I missed for some unknown reason, I will correct it.

[wild lily]

well turkey did repeatedly ban some of websites in the history

plus its authoritarian state runned by tall man which should explain why is that

[lament swift]

Try to open the site through Google Chrome.

[wild lily]

welp the dns didnt do the job

[rain ore]

Fuck those tall men !!

Jokes aside

May I introduce you to mullvad VPN. It's good stuff

[wild lily]

"tall man" joke referring to president called erdoğan

[rain ore]

Here's an archived link if it loads for you

https://web.archive.org/web/20240620230150/https://www.bforartists.de/

[wild lily]

i heard of it before but the mullvad dns did the job pretty well but except this site

[wild lily]

thanks it did work

[severe shoal]

It’s too much 😭

Have to go to my plan B

I don’t understand, the amount of tris must be less than cyberpunk but that has full ray tracing?

[rain ore]

I'm confused

Explain

Or explode

💥

Wait why do a subd modifier ignore me

[severe shoal]

I choose explode

[severe shoal]

I didn’t?

[rain ore]

Also that should work okay in Remix if it's geometry without transparency

[severe shoal]

No same performance cost it looks like

Well slightly better

But that might be because I reduced tris

[rain ore]

That seems wrong. How large is the object in world space?

Technically physically smaller assets are more optimal, even if it's splitting up one mesh into multiple

[lament swift]

Try Remesh modifier.

[severe shoal]

To get a similar looking mesh that made 10x the amount of tris

It’s literally just faces

[rain ore]

Are they double sided?

[severe shoal]

15 fps loss for 1 + 2

[severe shoal]

No

[rain ore]

I would separate the plants from the rest

[severe shoal]

What do you mean?

[rain ore]

Like it's highlighted that whole area right

But the plants are only in a corner

[severe shoal]

The plants are everywhere

They are attached to each area

[rain ore]

No I mean in that fence thing

[severe shoal]

Trust me, I only covered half my fov with plants and it was a 30 fps loss out of 60

It won't make enough of a difference

[rain ore]

It's not about the fov it's about how large the bounding box is

Whenever a ray hits the bounding box of a mesh, it becomes more computationally intensive

You want that ray to hit a surface as fast as possible for performance reasons

Having a ray travel through a bunch of empty space is bad for perf

Obviously you can't hyper optimize everything but for this plant stuff if you could limit the geometry to only that cluster of plants and nothing else, you should have better perf

Because the smaller bounding box means the ray will hit the surface of the plant sooner

[severe shoal]

I don't understand what you are suggesting. What does this look like visually?

[rain ore]

A bounding box is the amount of physical space a model would take if it had to sit within a full cube. If you have two pebbles on opposite ends of the map but are considered one mesh, the the bounding box is ginormous

If the pebbles are right next to eachother, it's tiny

[severe shoal]

Each blade of grass is an individual mesh

[rain ore]

By including the plants with other things you're increasing the side of the bounding box which may become a concern. That would be my best assumption for the performance based on what I know

[severe shoal]

I could possibly split that up further

[rain ore]

Like literally a separate object?

[severe shoal]

Yes

[rain ore]

In that case you want to go the opposite route

Combine them into patches

It's possible to have too many bounding boxes but I'm less confident on that assumption

I would recommend joining them together and seeing if the performance changes

[severe shoal]

Auto omg I'm trying not to be weird right now

Thank you so much

I can't see any performance impact because its capped at 60

[rain ore]

So my suggestion worked?

[severe shoal]

Yes

[severe shoal]

Slight problem though. You know when you combine objects and one of the objects will have their UV's screwed up? How do I stop this from happening?

[severe shoal]

We are reworking this to be way more cool

[severe shoal]

This is very creepy

[dreamy helm]

For me it's the particular connections

And for example a cube with a round stud on top

The higher quality the stud is, the more unnecessarily high quality the cube section has to be

I mean there are likely ways to optimize it, but I don't know of any

[rain ore]

but the cube has a limit to how high quality it could possibly be right? like a bevel is all you need

[dreamy helm]

No? I'm not sure what you mean

[rain ore]

you're referring to a simple cube block with 4 attach points on top in a 2x2, with the stud in the middle between the 4 attach points. Unless I'm misunderstanding

[dreamy helm]

Yes but unless you just want it to be a square stud on top, then say the stud has like 8 verts around to make it round, those 8 verts have to be going down the cube somehow

[rain ore]

conceptually that seems fairly simple to me. Let me make a mockup and see if it's what you're referring to

[dreamy helm]

I'm making an example to show, but my Internet on my pc isn't working lol

[rain ore]

@dreamy helm

[dreamy helm]

Like this, for example, it looks fairly simple

[dreamy helm]

?? me very confused lol

[rain ore]

is this not what you wanted

[dreamy helm]

no? lol

[rain ore]

.

YOU SAID YES TO THAT

[dreamy helm]

ngl I wasnt sure what you meant by Attache points

i've never heard anybody call that nub an attache point lol

[rain ore]

what else could they mean in lego but the little circle thingies

well it's a point where you attach pieces to

[rain ore]

ok show what you actually meant

[dreamy helm]

This is my issue with modelling lego though, this looks fairly simple right?

and this is the inside ofc

So this is that same model with no cleanup

[rain ore]

the mesh doesn't even remotely have to be that dense

this is the wireframe of mine

[dreamy helm]

Yeah but we're talking about assets for an RTX mode

if you render yours in cycles with a somewhat decent material, you wont see those extra bends that connect the nubs to the brick

[rain ore]

what do you get by having these faces here

[dreamy helm]

I mentioned that was without cleanup

This is how I got the model

it still has lots of unnecessary edge lops on a flat section caused by the attache point

[rain ore]

why do you need it to be attached anyways

this is what I got with some controlling edge loops and subd

[dreamy helm]

Because then you dont get the slope connecting the nub to the brick

[severe shoal]

I hope that is not the quality you are expecting hahah 😅

If I want to add a nice pbr material I use a subdivision modifier

[rain ore]

that's an easy fix

one sec

[dreamy helm]

Subdivision isnt a material lol

[rain ore]

he means use both

[severe shoal]

Do you want Lego Bricks to be more detailed?

in geometry

[dreamy helm]

I think they should look detailed enough

I dont think they necesarrily need the insides of the brick modelled unless you see the inside

because why half ass it if people would see the mistake

also

[severe shoal]

Hm. What did you think of the showcase I put out? Because I haven't used any detailed geometry then

[dreamy helm]

What showcase?

also I have found a potential workaround for certain things

Make the bevel on the stud, but then seperate the stud with the bevel on its own

and fill in the top face completely, as if it was a normal studless brick

it looks the same

this is the before and after details of the geometry (top is before, bottom is after)

[severe shoal]

Can you try adding a decimate modifier to the original mesh and use the unsubdivide option?

[severe shoal]

#showcase message

[dreamy helm]

Nice, that looks pretty good

idk how you got the lighting working

because that was a pretty big problem for me lol

and a few other people working on other Remix projects too

[lofty swallow]

are you aware of how far the camera is going to be from these bricks

[dreamy helm]

but see, this is basically the mesh I created

[lofty swallow]

just use a normal map

[severe shoal]

Really? What was the lighting doing?

[lofty swallow]

thats even worse lol

[dreamy helm]

I just couldnt add new lights, people on the silent hill 2 project also had that problem

[lofty swallow]

it doesnt need to be that detailed for a simple object

[dreamy helm]

Whats your problem?

I didnt ask for somebody to berate my work

[lofty swallow]

im not saying its bad im just saying its unnecessary detail thats going to eat up vram that could be allocated elsewhere

[dreamy helm]

I still didnt ask

im not saying that the model shown in my screenshot is absolutely being used

[lofty swallow]

well i thought it was implied seeing how it was posted to this thread and it is somewhat relevant to the project what with it being a lego brick

[severe shoal]

I'm just looking for something quick and dirty. We can fine tune and go over every model once we have completed the game in a decent state

[lofty swallow]

my bad if i misread it

[dreamy helm]

Its me showing how I model lego bricks

[lofty swallow]

ohhhhhhhhhh

my fault

sorry

[dreamy helm]

and auto showing his own examples

[lofty swallow]

gotcha