Fallout New Vegas

[rustic pine]

People believed the same with Half Life 3.

[frigid agate]

Steam glitches don't mean anything and never have

[stark radish]

does this work?

im a bit confused about this:
´ STEP 2: INSTALL SKURTYY'S FALLOUT: NEW VEGAS RTX MOD

Download this Fallout: New Vegas RTX mod.

Place "package" into your rtx-remix/mods folder (create the mods folder if one does not exist).

Launch the game using nvse_loader.exe´

ngl thats funny

[stark radish]

please document this i got it working but a shitload of trouble in it

[dusk rock]

there are pinned instructions

is anyone willing to test a fix i just did for the pip boy?

[high pawn]

Is there a way to completely seperate the ini files between gog and steam versions? Then I would be able to. Since my GOG instlal is fully caked up with mods and adding remix to that would be a really stupid idea. But I also own the game on steam

[urban folio]

Method 1: Mod Organizer 2 (Recommended)
MO2 allows each instance of the game to use its own set of .ini files and saves, preventing conflict.

Install MO2 for both the Steam and GOG installations.
Create separate profiles for each version in MO2.
MO2 will manage the Fallout.ini and FalloutPrefs.ini within its own folders rather than the shared Documents folder. 

Method 2: Manual Folder Swapping

Navigate to Documents/My Games/.
Rename the FalloutNV folder to FalloutNV_Steam.
Launch the GOG version, which will create a new FalloutNV folder.
Rename this new folder to FalloutNV_GOG.
Create simple batch files (.bat) to rename the folder you want to use back to FalloutNV before launching the game. 

Important Notes:

Default Behavior: Without intervention, both versions will share the Documents\My Games\FalloutNV folder, leading to potential corruption.
Save Compatibility: While GOG/Steam saves are often interchangeable, using different mods or .ini settings on each version can cause issues if transferred.
Registry: The game relies on registry keys to locate the folder, so ensure that if you are doing a, "portable," installation that the registry points to the correct location.

All that is ai instructions... so do verify

[dusk rock]

this is how it looks rn with my "fix". is this how it looked before?

[high pawn]

installing fnv (Steam) now

[dusk rock]

i'll let you know if i get a working solution

[high pawn]

ready to boot, just gotta take out the trash first

[high pawn]

I cant open the rtx menu with alt x

Is that normal for this game?

[dusk rock]

#1106553248590090351 message

there's the fix

[high pawn]

I see

time to relaunch the game, hopefully i can fix the SPECIAL menu machine. Also cursed Character Creator

and there is a brown dot attached to the mouse in that screen, wonder what that is about

is that german? wtf is going on bro

Why did it grab that version over the english one?

Mr. Stone

[urban folio]

yeah weird really. You should be able to change it in steam by right clicking and then the language tab.

[high pawn]

The rest of the game is in English though

it is just that texture

[dusk rock]

yeah mine says german too

it happened on my GOG copy lol

[urban folio]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-14026649281713077235

[high pawn]

must just be remix shenanigans ig

[urban folio]

wait... xoxor4d is German, right?

prob set from that maybe?

I assume your using his fix...

[high pawn]

I am using his fix, could be but I dont know if the english version even shows up in remix

it is a little clunky to navigate with the keyboard (mouse doesnt work)

[urban folio]

give me a sec I think I know where to find it in the files. pretty sure it's one of the fallout.ini though if you can beat me to it.

[high pawn]

Looks like this and the background is completely black

(Taking an nvidia screenshot it closes my pipboy right before it takes a pic)

[dusk rock]

kinda stumbling my way through the fix. we'll see if i even get anyhwere

and yes same thing. it was black on mine too

i can't fix that part rn. i'm focusing on fixing the display

[urban folio]

got it

[high pawn]

we can try the holo pipboy menu mod

• Stewie's Tweaks

[urban folio]

falloutprefs sLanguage

[General]
sLanguage=GERMAN

change that to english

it's in both actaully...

so FalloutPrefs.ini and Fallout.ini

[high pawn]

ight I fixed it

will install a couple mods than reboot

[high pawn]

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/86483 Will this work? I dont know since the vigor tester machine ui didnt work

[dusk rock]

i really doubt it

[urban folio]

yeah i think I tried every mod I could find a few months ago. no dice. had to just do the intro without remix, save and then go from there.

[dusk rock]

yeah sadly i'm not really getting anywhere

[high pawn]

Added a few more mods, time to see if the texture changed

it crashes 😭

[craggy crag]

think this game needs the auto pbr treatment

[high pawn]

um found a mod that is VERY incompatible but I cant tell which one. One (or multiple) of the unchecked ones was causing the game to CTD

one of these

Enhanced FOV

And Pipboy Holo as well damn

[dusk rock]

GUYS

[urban folio]

https://tenor.com/view/um-wot-um-wot-confused-markiplier-gif-16374086

[high pawn]

lets go

now if only the game didnt open halfway on my escreen and lock my mouse in so I cant use borderless gaming to fix xD

[urban folio]

hmm... sounds like gamebryo jank. Might need to try the bridge.conf thing.

client.DirectInput.forward.mousePolicy = 3
client.DirectInput.forward.keyboardPolicy = 3

[high pawn]

they are at 3

[urban folio]

weird the defaults that xoxor ships with are at two I think

[dusk rock]

🤔 if we can use dxwrapper before remix it'll fix this annoying behavior

[urban folio]

]try 2 then

[dusk rock]

wondering why this is working in this specific instance. i had to close and reopen it a few times

what was the other thing that was broken?

the character creator?

[high pawn]

using kim's bridge

[high pawn]

and the vigor tester (special stats selector in Doc's house)

[dusk rock]

these are the latest instructions

there is no custom bridge anymore

[high pawn]

the thingy in german xD

[urban folio]

switching the language didn't fix that?

[high pawn]

trying to test that now

still havent gotten back into my save

game be crashing when trying to load

so there is another culprit

[dusk rock]

uhm

[high pawn]

yeah it fixed it

[urban folio]

sweet

[dusk rock]

😓 it's creepy

but it works

[urban folio]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-jugger-nuggets-gif-19032506

[high pawn]

Might want to change the language to English in the INIs

and one of these was preventing me from getting into my save

[dusk rock]

it crashed when i saved

if anyone wants to mess around with it. it's unstable rn (apparently) but it seems to work

[urban folio]

might want to add that language fix in the pins for any new people coming in

uh.. and the launcher bypass trick

[dusk rock]

isn't this good progress though

you don't need launcher bypass if you just run from nvse_loader immediately

[high pawn]

will try the dll, but look at my pip BOY xD

[urban folio]

true. I was just thinking about the noobs though

[dusk rock]

kay vigor tester doesn't work. it's just completely invisible

[high pawn]

luckily you can go threw it without seeing it

just use the arrow keys

every stat begins at 5

[dusk rock]

btw for the pip boy, open, close, then reopen

then it works

also i'm not sure if i broke the sky or if it's just supposed to be black lol

[high pawn]

one tricky ass screenshot to take man

why does f1 also interact with the pipboy

[dusk rock]

you need to select the texture for your pip boy and select "ignore alpha channel"

it's supposed to be selected by default

[dusk rock]

😓 "no" to which one

[urban folio]

the sky being black

sorry

[dusk rock]

kay yeah i def broke something

[high pawn]

Also pipboy light shows up W

[urban folio]

wrong mod. mb

i need sleep i think

[high pawn]

Sky is black, my hands are broke id imagine thats because of character kit

[urban folio]

there's vats fixes for nv is what I'm trying to get at here. for some reason I'm failing to link that right now. brb rebooting My brain.

[urban folio]

yeah I'd say the hands are from that.

[dusk rock]

vats was working when i tested it?

[urban folio]

yeah it works but it has performance issues in some areas IIRC when used with remix.

[high pawn]

How does one fix the sky

[dusk rock]

my sky just kinda magically fixed itself after being loaded in for a minute

so have either of you ever seen the black sky thing with xor's version of the fix??

[high pawn]

uhh my game hella broken outside of this. I cant uncrouch, I can fire my pistol (and it is invisible)

[dusk rock]

😓

[urban folio]

#1106553248590090351 message see xoxor's comment below my vid

oh.. my... Yeah I had a lot of fixes installed. I'll do up a proper list.

[high pawn]

bruh now i cant reload my save

[urban folio]

for the sky try https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/94521

[dusk rock]

my sky is working fine now. idk what the problem was

[high pawn]

first i gotta get back into my save

[dusk rock]

i'm trying a fix rn to make the patch more stable

[urban folio]

this will let you see the map at least with remix https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/64596

[dusk rock]

did you try my patch yet?

the map worked

[urban folio]

Not as of yet. just reinstalled a few minutes ago myself. had this game back burnered for a while.

[dusk rock]

i'm cleaning up the patch now to reduce the lag caused by it and made it a bit more stable

i used up half of my monthly credits for claude for this 😭

[lofty matrix]

is the remix stable on huge mod packs?

mine is a black sky on huge mod pack

[urban folio]

For packs I'm not really sure. on my last run with remix though I had over a 100 mods and it wan't as jank as what you guys are showing Me now.

182 mods to be exact...

[dusk rock]

gonna eat dinner rq. ping me for anything

[high pawn]

No

You can see from my small modlist that introduced many ctds.

[lofty matrix]

i was able to play with a 377 modlist...

just trying to fix the black sky issue

[urban folio]

yeah it really just depends. Spike You just got unlucky I think

[lofty matrix]

prob remix version

[dusk rock]

i don't think i can fix the black background

there's simply nothing rendering anymore in the background

okay, good news

can confirm the black sky issue is unrelated to my patch

and claude optimized some of the older code. got ~4 FPS boost (27 FPS to 31) in the strip

[dusk rock]

i broke somethin (unrelated to remix)

[urban folio]

lol the npcs going woo is fitting

[dusk rock]

when anyone else tests this please let me know how it works!

also i'm pretty sure the issues all of us are facing rn are from some kind of mismatch with textures vs rtx.conf. i'm not sure why it's happening

[lofty matrix]

managed to fix black sky somehow

[dusk rock]

@ancient solar sorry to bug you but we can't seem to figure out what's going on. when you worked on this, you got the sky working. right now it's solid black or just some other color, no proper detail

what did you change to make it work? i'm adding onto the patch you made to fix more issues (fixed the pip boy already)

[lofty matrix]

i think its a certain mod, because i disabled some and the sky went back to normal

[dusk rock]

i'm running the game without any mods and i have the black sky issue

[lofty matrix]

either that or if i could release my remix files for you to check if thats the issue

[dusk rock]

it works fine in goodsprings but in the strip and various other places, the sky breaks

maybe an unassigned texture issue, i'm not sure

[craggy crag]

yoink

[dusk rock]

this problem with fake shadows baked into geometry is back again

need a permanent way to fix this

a lot of textures are just not assigned properly despite using the correct configs

[dusk rock]

okay

my code is on github now: https://github.com/Kim2091/NewVegasRTXHelper

and here's the release (i also fixed the german language issue): https://github.com/Kim2091/NewVegasRTXHelper/releases/tag/ff_v2

[urban folio]

I'd try to open em in nifskope and remove them.

[dusk rock]

that's possible but i was hoping to do it in the runtime somehow so we don't need to ship a bunch of replacement meshes

[urban folio]

🤔 might be possible. I don't have any idea how though.

[dusk rock]

#1106553248590090351 message

someone had automated a fix but never shared it (despite persistent asking afterward)

[urban folio]

ah i had no idea We were graced with such a big name in NV modding.

[dusk rock]

for like a week or somethin

theeen they vanished 😆

[urban folio]

hmm. might be busy with something else.

[dusk rock]

when the world needed them most

[dusk rock]

i asked multiple times in the xnvse modding server and here and they said they'd share it but never did

i eventually gave up after a few months

[urban folio]

well at least we know it can be done

[dusk rock]

unsure of what to do

yeah

i feel like it's kinda hopeless to keep working on this given the sheer number of issues it has, and just how buggy it is

with no changes other than remix runtime updates, almost every part of xor's mod broke

[urban folio]

Yeah it is a tough one.

[dusk rock]

unless we can find a way to automatically tag all textures, fix LOD rendering, and fix those buggy shadows... we're fucked lol

terrain rendering is also completely broken for some reason. solid black

😢

my dreams of seeing Fallout 3 remastered in remix may be dead

was one of the first games i tried

genuinely upsetting lol

i'm only working on NV to get 3 working through TTW

[urban folio]

I hear that. I love these games and would like them to work as well.

Morrowind is my bread and butter. but yeah.

[dusk rock]

we need someone with more knowledge of rendering to keep fixing it. i just don't know what i'm doing. i knew enough basic stuff about rendering to fix the pip boy, but with things like LODs just being completely invisible, or texture tagging... nope. beyond my knowledge and i don't have time to learn more

[urban folio]

curse of being a remix pioneer imo. the burnout is real

[dusk rock]

😢

barnyard is still broken

needs someone to convert vertex shaders to fixed function

i attempted it multiple times, i just don't know enough

sadly there is too much that i'd have to do for all of the games i want to remix, and i just don't have enough time to learn it. so the projects lay dormant

[delicate lake]

If you can find the will to spare like 30 minutes a day or every few days that will still get you there little by little

Not quickly obviously, but eventually if you persist

[dusk rock]

problem isn't just time, but energy i guess

[urban folio]

true that. when I started I knew nothing. I still know hardly nothing but the things I have learned I never thought I would. through both remix and the games I've learned quite a lot

[dusk rock]

i have way too much going on to even settle down enough to think and learn a new complex topic

i learn stuff in passing very well, but learning to reverse engineer a game doesn't just happen in passing 😭

[urban folio]

hopefully another WallSoGB or xoxor comes along to save our asses.

can we ai clone them yet?

||kidding||

[delicate lake]

Like any skill, it happens with repetition. You'd first need to learn the prerequisites like C, x86 asm and how the cpu works in general. Then you could start with sideloading a dll, whatever one the game imports as little funcs from as possible, dinput8 or something like that is a good one for that usually. Get your dll to load in-game without crashing, then you can see about hooking d3d9 with the dummy device method, it's pretty universal. Minhook is nice for that. Could then try using that to hook up imgui or something, see if that works, or just test with drawing a rectangle on screen. Then you scroll through msdn for d3d9, then it's time to set shader program pointers to 0 where they get passed to SetVertex/PixelShader() whatever the name was, set FVF stuff, do transforms, would need to know how the vertex shader inputs look like for that to get the vertex buffers from that, might be compressed, would need to learn how that usually goes and whatnot, that's binary format reing stuff, you'd go to xentax for that, but it crooked, some stuff got backed up on reshax

https://reshax.com/topic/47-reverse-engineering-tutorials-collection/

The first link has all the prerequisite comp sci knowledge in a pdf

[dusk rock]

okay

i'm doing it the lazy way

claude is writing a wrapper for barnyard rn that allows you to do a verison of [xor's hack](#1323392798963142788 message) using dxwrapper and is configurable. making progress! barnyard right now is rendering some parts in fixed function without issue

imgui to configure while runnnig the game

[random night]

This is new Vegas kim

[delicate lake]

Xor and i talk about the same process there, just more detail in his post

[dusk rock]

oh ik lol

but it can be used for games like NV

[delicate lake]

Oopsie

[random night]

Ohhh

[dusk rock]

the existing mod xor wrote does convert to FF, but i intend to test it on NV to see if it can provide better results

[delicate lake]

I'd imagine he gets the actual device pointer from the game reading his post, so you'd need to manually find that to adjust in that case

Altho if you say it already does things then that's covered already

[dusk rock]

i believe the wrapper is using a lot of stuff from dxwrapper to make it easier

[craggy crag]

someone should make a template for xor's hack

[dusk rock]

kinda what i'm doing

it's supposed to be a generic wrapper that can be configured per game to do the required modification, before hooking remix (the wrapper loads remix afterward)

[craggy crag]

sick
-# I've known where halo ce's matrices are for quite a while now
-# just been too lazy to put it all together

[dusk rock]

can i dm you regarding the matrices

[craggy crag]

sure

[dusk rock]

unfortunately

i give up on this for now

i made some progress and some things do kind of slightly work, but it's too broken to use

[craggy crag]

rip

[dusk rock]

nvm

this is fixed function

terrain is rendering now

[craggy crag]

you were able to find the matrices in the shaders?

[dusk rock]

even better

able to auto detect

still working on that. it looked like this a while ago lol

[craggy crag]

did you use the auto detect suggested in that blog?

[dusk rock]

a very WIP version of it

[craggy crag]

-# would also be helpful for luma if it works well

but you know also could be huge for remix :p

[dusk rock]

this verison of it doesn't rely on dxwrapper either

[craggy crag]

nice

idk how often people would use it but being able to give the wrapper a signature + offset to the matrices would also be nice

[urban folio]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dont-let-your-dreams-be-dreams-go-for-it-claim-it-shia-la-beouf-gif-16079495

[craggy crag]

should make a post in open source projects when your ready

[dusk rock]

would you be willing to test it if i add this?

since you seem to actually know more about how it works

[craggy crag]

sure

not an expert by any means :p

[dusk rock]

more than me 😆

[ancient solar]

I don’t remember any specifics about this game. Not even sure if I’ve done something with the sky or not 👀

[urban folio]

There is a sky mesh included in Your mod.

which is def edited by someone since it's 100% an empty mesh. the default sky mesh is not empty

could be the case with the newer version of the runtime the empty mesh is not needed anymore.

[stark radish]

That vigor test and german, doctor rock 🪨 happened to me too

[high pawn]

German is because of xoxor4, his compat mod INIs are set to German, you need to change it in both Fallout.ini and FalloutPrefs.ini to ENGLISH

[stark radish]

I did get it working on a Viva new vegas playset but the sky was very strange

And the pipboy wasn't working like always

[high pawn]

The sky is a little buggy, i never got it to work on my end, it was just pitch black lol

[high pawn]

That was patched by Kim

[stark radish]

You need to sort out the textures to the sky

[high pawn]

You just need to grab her patched dll linked in the chat

[stark radish]

It's a lengthy process

[stark radish]

This guy's a legend

[high pawn]

Especially with the mouse not working in remix, navigating with keyboard makes things take so long

[high pawn]

I think this is it, with the language fix too

[stark radish]

That white thing seems to be an issue with blood, or clock textures

[urban folio]

I can't test it currently but might be worth a try to move or delete the atmosphere.nif xoxor4 included in the mod. I'm thinking it's messing up the sky auto detect in remix

[high pawn]

Skurrty was thinking it was some sort of fake ambient occlusion/shadow texture

If i remember correctly that is

I dont think we truely ever figured out exactly what it was and how to fix it

[urban folio]

#1106553248590090351 message

someone did.. but yeah. he's gone for now

[dusk rock]

we know what it is and there is a fix

it's just annoying to implement

and yeah they didn't share it so it'd have to be done from scratch by one of us

[stark radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hooleesheet-hoo-lee-sheet-hoo-lee-sheet-gif-16354327907717246876

[urban folio]

that sky mesh is located in Data\meshes\sky btw

[high pawn]

Sounds like something a bethesda modder would do lol

Pride and all that junk

[dusk rock]

i'll test tomorrow with it disabled to see if it's necessary atp

[dusk rock]

👋 hoi

yeah pip boy works now

gotta open it once, close it, then open it again. kinda funky but it works

pinned install guide has been updated for my patch

[urban folio]

I pretty sure We used to have to do this with morrowind as well.. and Oblivion... but I don't do that anymore for morrowind ever since they fixed the sky detection in remix

[high pawn]

If we had the real time pipboy mod, would that fix the black background issue?

[dusk rock]

maybe

[dusk rock]

yeah so in that case it might not be needed for fnv anymore. i remember helping set it up in oblivion like uh... 2 years ago 😭

time goes fast

[urban folio]

does it ever

I'm just glad my memory serves me well

[high pawn]

How far did oblivion get anyways? Itd be nice to have a non-censored RTX Oblivion lol

[urban folio]

into a brick wall with oblivion really as well

[dusk rock]

iirc WeRideForCoffee was working on it. i haven't touched it in a long time, but their work on it seemed solid

[high pawn]

Didnt the TES Reloaded team look into it?

[dusk rock]

😓 was uh... quite a while ago: #showcase message

[dusk rock]

i will be honest, i don't keep track of any of the bethesda projects for remix other than FNV and FO3 because i want FO3 to work 😆

[urban folio]

think ride said more stuff like water is broken now. wan't too long ago they posted about it though

[high pawn]

I want fo3 to work aswell (i prefer it over fnv)

[dusk rock]

aha finally someone who agrees

the way FNV fans react when they hear that scares me enough that i never say it

[dusk rock]

🙁 that's a shame. maybe the same things that broke FNV also broke Oblivion

[urban folio]

even beth thinks fo3 is better. I'd agree as well

[high pawn]

I know, kinda had someone unfriend me over it lol

[dusk rock]

that's one touchy person lol

i appreciate FNV but the setting never really did it for me, nor did any of the characters

[high pawn]

I really love the dread and dispair the capital wasteland makes me feel as i look around what was my captial. Plus the connection to lovecraftian horror with the pier and dunwich building

[dusk rock]

more story paths/options doesn't really mean anything to me if i don't like the things that make it up

[dusk rock]

yus that too for sure

[urban folio]

If Obsidian had more time to make FNV then they did have alotted I think it would have been a lot better

[stark radish]

I've never really played fo3 or any other Bethesda games

[high pawn]

From what the jsawyer mod was, i dont think they wouldve been any better for it

[dusk rock]

fo3 was my first fallout game so it makes sense that it'd be my fav (between fo3 and fnv at least)

i find fo4 more accessible and easy to enjoy, but i prefer fo3 in just about every other way

[urban folio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KvOJNgS6xM

[high pawn]

Fo3 was also my introduction, i still remember being young (dont remember age) seeing the cool guy on the cover of the goty copy at gamestop and getting it for the 360. I still have the save, wasnt far in and for some reason my character was asain lol. Dont know why xD

[fervent void]

Poor Obsidian. First the whole KOTOR II debacle and then Fallout: New Vegas. They just couldn't get anyone to give them time to make a damn game.

[dusk rock]

🤔 still a shame that i didn't get any help with skyrim LE for remix. i spent a long time looking for someone to assist but no one showed up, and i didn't have the modding skills for the engine itself

i think it could look great if done properly

[urban folio]

there's a good video I watched not that long ago about the development of New vegas. real eye opener

[dusk rock]

haha i played it on 360 first too. i got it for like $10 at gamestop iirc? in 2013 or 2014

you could actually mod it by using modified save files. a lot was possible just through that

[high pawn]

For me id say Fo4 has the best gameplay out of all fallouts hands down. And typically i have the most fun on it these days

[dusk rock]

ik this is gonna be controversial but imo fo76 is actually better for gameplay (movement, shooting, vats). and graphics. buuut the rest kinda sucks

[fervent void]

I think so too. You'd think that given how large Skyrim's community is, there'd be somebody with the knowhow and the inclination to mess around with it, even just "for the lols" as the kids say.

[urban folio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3rlbxyCgzQ this is the one I think

[high pawn]

I wont be able to check when i got fo3, since i probably paid with cash and I was with my friend and his mom at the time (definitely shouldnt have been able to get the game but the worker mustve been hella chill)

[dusk rock]

😆 kids said that like 5 years ago

but yeah

i thought so too tbh

[dusk rock]

i was just goin based on memory

[urban folio]

like it's a wonder they shipped the game (FNV)

[high pawn]

Fo76 is just fo4 but with server lag, but it still has better gameplay than fo3 and NV. Just objectively

[high pawn]

Probably since it wasnt for the specisl edition, i dont know how active LE modding scene is

[fervent void]

What do you mean? We're in the year 2020 still, aren't we? ||Oh, God... 😭 ||

[dusk rock]

it changed a lot of stuff, esp in the later updates. i played fo4 again recently, having played fo76 shortly before it. they feel very different

fo76 is a lot more responsive

[high pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[fervent void]

I would love to see Fallout 3 with Remix as well. I love New Vegas as much as the next person, but I still think Fallout 3 was a fine game in its own right.

[high pawn]

The wii u was nintendo's last console right guys?

[dusk rock]

i feel like seeing fo3's destroyed map in remix, fully remastered, would be amazing 😆

a lot more stunning than just a baren desert

fnv pulls off the look it was going for pretty well just in its vanilla state imo. fo3 struggles more because it's trying to do a lot more with its graphics

[high pawn]

And (if you wanted) you could keep the green tint which would better mix with the world in remix

[dusk rock]

yeah i like the tint tbh

[high pawn]

I dont know how to feel about it, though i usually disable it for my games since i get tons of graphics mods

But if we can have a slight tint of green in the air, thatd be nice.

[fervent void]

And now with Remix logic, preserving stuff like that is now easily achievable.

[high pawn]

Was about to say that we could use logic to introduce weather, and in some weathers it would increase or decrease the tint

[fervent void]

That's honestly a great idea, actually.

[dusk rock]

kiiind of

[high pawn]

I dont know how we would make it per location since it is one big map so i went for just dynamic global for the idea. Radiation pits increase the green tint the longer you are exposed to them

[fervent void]

Well... relatively easy.

[dusk rock]

from my understanding right now remix logic can only adjust existing remix runtime settings on demand. the color tuning is pretty limited

at least if you don't want to ruin all color rendering (including highlights and stuff)

it's a problem GTA 4 is running into right now

[high pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/i-love-you-binh-gif-6142726653922245520

[fervent void]

Ah, so it may require a bit of expansion to its capabilities before it could really do this kind of job.

Even still, at least it is a large step closer.

[dusk rock]

weather would also be difficult. i wanted to use it for Barnyard for this purpose too. you can 100% adjust things like fog and turn on the particle system with specific settings when a certain weather is triggered, but you also need a reliable way to determine when it's supposed to be happening

[dusk rock]

definitely. it's exciting

[high pawn]

It would have to be with a fnv mod attached. Maybe have some invisible thing spawn for a second that would change the weather depending in time of day and what month it is in game

[dusk rock]

we could make a mod for FNV that adds simulated wind. it'd affect foliage and stuff by pushing it in a certain direction, then pass the wind direction and strength value to remix and have it also simulate the weather particles being pushed in that direction

there are tons of possibilities

[high pawn]

We would then be able to either salvage thr ingame date or whatever sky/weather mod we pair with (so we wont have to code one for remix ourselves heh)

Though that second option wouldnt have winter without some tweaks

[dusk rock]

we'd be able to have snow easily with remix, but actually having snow on the ground would require a game mod + remix being set up with the associated textures

as for the trigger for the weather, afaik it'd need to be a persistent thing loaded in the scene rather than a one time trigger. maybe a small block or something that's kept inside the character model?

texture on it would change. when a specific hash is matched, change the weather particles and fog in remix

[high pawn]

After i saw the cod 2 3d snow mod, ive been fiending for it in other games 😂

[high pawn]

Or something on the hud, maybe a weather/date indicater. If that woukdnt break the effects

[dusk rock]

idk if that'd work. maaaybe?

[high pawn]

Im thinking if it was assigned to the UI category, it might break the rtx. But maybe not, if we can just link it there as just an anchor for it to control what appears

[dusk rock]

me rn. it's 5 AM

gonna sleep

[dusk rock]

as long as remix can monitor the hash it should work, but idk enough about the logic system to say for sure

i just skimmed the docs

https://docs.omniverse.nvidia.com/kit/docs/rtx_remix/latest/docs/components/TextureHashChecker.html

yup

[high pawn]

Nice. Also yeah it past 5 am, i shouldve slept long ago but i cant put down the phone

[fresh belfry]

Can confirm, empty mesh is not needed (at least now).
Tag sky textures and set the lowest level one (iirc) to "ignore alpha channel", aaaand I think you need to set the sky untextured draw calls number to something in the 10,000s. Eventually it grabs the (presumably) clear colour draw.

Its not perfect, its not being tinted correctly BUT it doesnt have any issues so it wont look yellow enough in Goodsprings, for example, but is otherwise.. like.. fine.

[fresh belfry]

Since all the fake AO is almost certainly being sent to a shader, we could patch it out there.
Not sure which shader is responsible; but might be able to trick Oldrim Oldblivion into de(and re)compiling NV's .shaders.
Not sure if making it insta-discard its own result will be enough, or if we might need to huild on the plugin to not pass anything for that(/those shaders) on to the rest of rendering.

[fresh belfry]

I've got the water plane showing up again in Oblivion (and my Morrowind setup, just needed to turn pixel shading off in the launcher for that), but I am struggling to replace it with a translucent texture, skill issue probably since Ive done translucent textures for other things.

[fresh belfry]

I didn't know there was a project 😅 or I just forgot (more likely)
I remember Xor(?) had some sick work on dx11/10>9 on Special Edition.
The base plugin that the FNV plugin is built on top of does have a Skyrim build too, which might be LE not SE ( https://github.com/llde/TESReloaded10/tree/master/SkyrimReloaded ) if the SE in the naming is script extender not special edition 👀💦

I was planning to check it out at some point but Ive been starved for time for all the other games already, and since FNV plugin actually compiles for me that's had (theoretical) priority.

Could be a cool place to look if you want another project 😂

[craggy crag]

nukem was the person working on remix for skyrim special edition

[craggy crag]

wonder how difficult it would be to get remix to just skip a shader, if you gave it the shader hash

assuming that the ao is rendered with it's own shader which I wouldn't be shocked if it is

honestly feel like that should just be built into remix

[lofty matrix]

Its pretty stable on interiors, fps gets destroyed on open world

[urban folio]

Nice. Thank You for confirming!

[dusk rock]

we'd need to ensure it's never passed to remix

[dusk rock]

@sterile turret just pinging you to make sure you use the new patch that fixes the pip boy. i saw your post on the subreddit (looks great ❤️)

[sterile turret]

Thanks! Yeahh I gotta try the fix, that'll save me sooooo much time, I'm currently using console commands to get around the map lol

[high pawn]

also your game might be part german, did you get that fix?

[dusk rock]

my patch will fix that too if so 🙂

[fervent sinew]

Ah sorry but who's working on FNV?

oh it's you skurty

just saw your post on reddit, looks insane

is this autopbr'ed? Material look good

[winged osprey]

you should guys just disable vertex color rendering. that's how the fake ao is drawn in the meshes. they don't make much sense in a pbr pipeline anyhow. though the game relies heavily on coloring various assets through vertex colors (like rocks, etc.), there are texture packs that recreate the look without them. there are also pbr friendly texture packs for terrain and many assets already

[dusk rock]

could you provide info on how to go about disabling this, and link to some of those texture packs? i looked into this a while ago but wasn't able to find much

[winged osprey]

i'm not an engine modder myself, i'd assume it would make sense to ask for some of the shader decompiles over at xnvse discord

this is my terrain mod, which was made for new vegas reloaded pbr shaders. it's the closest approximation we have of a pbr implementation for the game https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/88796

wouldn't remix provide control over how vertex colors are handled? otherwise they can easily be batch removed from the meshes

[dusk rock]

it does have rudimentary controls for vertex colors, but none that seem to fix this issue

otherwise they can easily be batch removed from the meshes
this seems like it might be the best solution atp

trying to modify the wrapper rn to disable vertex colors

[winged osprey]

I wouldn’t shy away from modifying the assets. The game has some weird “optimization tricks” that are best dealt with by outright removing them

[dusk rock]

only problem being that we'd need to somehow patch the meshes on each user's system, or ship all of the patched versions

[winged osprey]

It’s a mod, right? You can ship the meshes

[dusk rock]

yes, it just bloats file sizes significantly

[winged osprey]

Guess you can write a batch file for it but I don’t think it’s worth the trouble. People are used to downloading mods. Also how’d you deal with the textures

[dusk rock]

right now textures are unmodified (outside of @sterile turret's mod). we're just trying to get the mod stable. then a proper remaster can happen

we very much need help from an experienced modder to do these things. i don't have a lot of time to spend on projects like this unfortunately

[dusk rock]

couldn't get it working sadly

[winged osprey]

Maybe could ask for help upstream? Some more control over vertex colors would surely be useful for other titles as well

Providing that is the solution, which we can’t guarantee

[dusk rock]

i haven't seen any other projects that really need this level of control tbh

i suppose i'll open an issue for it regardless

[winged osprey]

Someone should actively engage with the community to try and attract more people to the project. But yeah, since it’s not in any way playable yet, might be too early for that

[dusk rock]

i did before

asked in the xnvse server a few times and reached out in other places

no one was interested sadly

[dusk rock]

this is how the issue looks in remix

i'll reach out again when i have some time

[winged osprey]

does removing the vertex colors fix it?

[dusk rock]

i just tried to update the wrapper we have to removed vertex colors but was unable to get it working properly

if it is removing them, it didn't fix this issue

[ancient solar]

d3d9 sampler might be set to SRGB so doing dev->SetSamplerState(0, D3DSAMP_SRGBTEXTURE, 0u); before a drawcall might fix that

bioshock looked similar iirc

[dusk rock]

👀 xor randomly dispensing wisdom

thank you. i'll try that

sadly did not work, i may just be implementing it incorrectly though

[urban folio]

From everything I've researched and tried personally I think "at the end of the day" We'll have to just remove them with Nifskope. I know You said you want to keep the package low but I can't find an alterative. Removing them on a few meshes this way works on My end and is simple enough albeit tedious. I don't know how many meshes will need the treatment but I mean it can't be that bad. shouldn't be a bunch of gigs or something...

[dusk rock]

okay

if you can find a way to automate that, we'll implement that

[winged osprey]

I checked now and removing just colors creates the white faces. It’s also using the nolighting shader. I’ll take a look and let you know if I manage something

[urban folio]

hmm yeah I was thinking maybe a script or something. I'll see what I can come up with.

[winged osprey]

not sure how remix handles the nolighting shader is it mapped to something else?
try this mesh, i simply set alpha to 0 in the material property

[winged osprey]

if it can't be handled in the shader this would be the cleanest

[urban folio]

I'm really surprised Sniff doesn't already have this feature...

[winged osprey]

you can directly contact zilav, the developer, he's super responsive and helpful. he added a few features on my request. just explain your use case

[urban folio]

yea worth a shot

[winged osprey]

in any case the nolighting shader also doesn't make any sense in a pbr pipeline, so that would need to be handled in some way, and fake ao is part of it

[dusk rock]

hmmmm. where do i put this file?

.\Data\meshes?

[winged osprey]

meshes\dungeons\nv_goodsprings

[urban folio]

heaven't checked yet but that's prob a flag in the nif as well that could be handled the same way

[winged osprey]

it's the shader type

it's used for the neon signs and some particles for example

[urban folio]

I'll ask zilav for imput on that as well.

[winged osprey]

it doesn't interact with the rest of the lighting shaders

[dusk rock]

weirdly enough, still present

[urban folio]

should prob get a full list of problem shaders and flags before I ask I guess.

[dusk rock]

we had someone here before implement a fix but they never shared it
#1106553248590090351 message

[winged osprey]

yeah seems like an easy fix if you have the disasm

[urban folio]

Yeah if We could get Wall back into the fold..

[dusk rock]

if we just had this one fix, i think it'd be enough tbh lol

i fixed the pip boy already which was a major problem

the sky seemingly fixed itself

[urban folio]

I might try begging

[dusk rock]

i did that 😭

you should try too though

[urban folio]

fuck

[winged osprey]

i think it's worth a shot, he might have simply forgotten to answer

[dusk rock]

there is one major issue left imo. well 2 i guess

one is performance. it's horrible and i don't really know why
second one is that when terrain textures are marked and blending is enabled, the ground just becomes solid black and performance gets even worse

outside of these 3 issues, i think the game is in a good spot

[urban folio]

What do you have terrain marked as? decal?

the baker I guess I'm talking about.. uh.. I'm on my phone.. give me a half hour to get home

[dusk rock]

decal works fine but it doesn't blend at all

we need to use terrain baker

it used to work fine, but it's broken now

[urban folio]

ignore opacity enabled?

[dusk rock]

i tried all of the settings 😢

unless you mean on the texture

ignore transparency? or ignore alpha

[urban folio]

yea.. I'm not currently in front of pc sorry.

[dusk rock]

it's fine

sadly neither of those settings fix it

[urban folio]

oh wait.. I think there is a lot of terrain in NV that has vertex color

I'll be home soon (I think) so I'll check on My install what I did. pretty sure I don't have that bad of performance.

[winged osprey]

yes, most of it

[urban folio]

yeah that might do it then

[dusk rock]

hmmm

that explains it

an older build of remix also fixed the issue with the fake AO at some point. but it broke again. guessing terrain broke at the same time

[urban folio]

I also may say something stupid at times. forgive Me as I'm spread between a bunch of Beth games.

[dusk rock]

😆 dw

i work on like 10 diff projects at once, outside of remix too

it's a mess

[urban folio]

so I asked zilav about adding the feature. It's right there in the vertex color painting section. ( i don't even know how I missed that)

the Universal tweaker section of the tool should be able change shader flags He says as well.

I'm still at work got called back in but yeah. looks like Sniff has all we need to batch process the problem nifs.

[dusk rock]

[sterile turret]

NO WAYYYYYY

Omg that would be so huge

I was working on the ultraluxe yesterday and everything in that room had the vertex color thingy

[urban folio]

Yeah Sniff is invaluable to modding these games. I've yet to point it at NV but it's proved indispensable with what I've done over in Morrowind. Here's the link to the tool if You'd like to take a look at it Yourself.

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/67829

I wouldn't recommend pointing this at every single mesh in the game and some grunt work will still have to be done to figure out what Meshes we should point it at. I'll test more when I get the chance but at a very basic description of what Your workflow will prob look like here is:

1: extract the problem meshes from the bsa's with file folder structures intact( BSA browser has this functionality ) to a Input folder for sniff to work from.

2: remove the vertex colors completly in Sniff via the Vertex Color Painting section.

3: I've yet to mess with any of the shaders flags via the Universal Tweaker so I'll fill this in later

4:???

5: drop the fixed meshes back into the game folder keeping the file structures the same.

6: Profit!

[urban folio]

For the issue streamlining the discovery process of any problematic meshes perhaps if there's anyone competent in NVSE scripting to possibly port or make a NVSE version of the MWSE mod "Selection Details" from Morrowind this would vastly speed up making a list with the right meshes. As By defualt I'm pretty sure the console on it's own won't actually show You what the name of the nif is, but the editor ID. Which can from My experience vastly differ from the actual mesh name.

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/51095

[winged osprey]

you'd have to remove the whole block with the geometry holding the vertex colors, which can't be done with sniff. simply removing the vertex colors won't do it. that's what i tested the other day

[winged osprey]

you have something similar: improved console nvse

[little wave]

so after editing prospector i get these white meshes just showing up without a material

they show up under things like under stools and behind picture frames like on the last image

what are they? they're all over the game so running around hiding all of those meshes is gonna be a pain and they flicker too

like they only show from certain camera angles

[dusk rock]

it's the fake shadows from the original game

we tried patching them out but it's a pain

[dusk rock]

.

[urban folio]

https://tenor.com/view/so-much-to-do-too-much-to-do-stressed-face-palm-so-stressed-gif-14184299

[dusk rock]

100% fixed function here

(pip boy works too btw)

the only things that remain in shaders are LODs (the rendering of them breaks if converted to fixed function sadly) and the light effect there on the pip boy

[dusk rock]

the fake shadow issue is resolved as well

pip boy works. all UI elements work flawlessly. there are none of the black distant terrain/LOD issues that were present before

most normal maps are filtered out automatically thanks to a script, added them to the ignoreTexture category in rtx.conf

lights from the original game are being passed through as well (though, i'm working on the colors of them. they're solid white rn)

[dusk rock]

✨ lights are fixed

[dusk rock]

final touches before i move on:

• fix the initial thing where you make your character
• patch out frustum culling and increase render distance

i will come back to this game when CR releases his new sky code + Remix API support. then i'll implement a day/night cycle corresponding with the game's

weather will have to be done by someone else using the remix particle system

[random night]

Normal maps can be detected?

Auto pbr for new Vegas when

[dusk rock]

dumped from game files, detected based on name, hashes computed to add to the ignore list for textures

[dusk rock]

trying to but it's pretty complex

[dusk rock]

okay, i don't think culling patches are worthwhile. they harm performance immensely. like 15-20 FPS at best

[dusk rock]

https://github.com/Kim2091/Remix-Wrappers/releases/tag/FNV-Remix-Wrapper_v0.0.1

[gusty kraken]

Impressive stuff @dusk rock
This is wild!

[gusty kraken]

What is up with the aways overcast sky? Think it could be improved?

I mean, as far as capturing the game goes

[hearty crane]

Where is DeGrass?

[rustic pine]

in the hood

[dusk rock]

that's actually CR's atmospheric sky

it has no day/night cycle rn

after he releases the new version with API support, i'm going to connect the sun position and all that to the in-game time counter

[proper pollen]

Is there a moon in Fallout

[gusty kraken]

Ah gotcha. Yeah it is the sun you're missing then. Gonna look a whole new game once you connect it

[urban folio]

Yes. but it's not a light caster IIRC. Only the sun is. and when that goes "down" it still casts light. which did have weird effects at night in vanilla with shadows being cast that should not be casted.... never did get to the point to see if it affects remix in the same manner but I'd assume it does. There is a mod that makes the moon a light caster though I think. Not sure if there's a fix for the sun casting light when it goes down though. Maybe that same moon mod fixes it. be awhile since I touched this one so I might be misremembering a lil.

[dusk rock]

ugh ofc there's weird shit like that

[urban folio]

lol

[dusk rock]

i won't be tracing the sun's original position though

i will be simulating a new sun and moon using the time counter

soooo it should be fixed

[urban folio]

I'll have to try a new fresh install this week with Your new FF mod. As is, with My current install/ setup it's pretty broken. I got way to many mods I guess. it's really not liking something I got done with the terrain for sure. :/

[dusk rock]

the terrain blending is still a bit borked on mine but i have an idea as to what's causing it

the one mod you should still install is the .nif file to get rid of the weird skybox thing around the player

.Data\meshes\sky

with NVSE ofc

(i haven't tested NVSE so uh🤞)

[urban folio]

Thought We determined that wasn't needed anymore... I'm not using it and that part is fine anyways.

[dusk rock]

the NVSE patch took care of it, but mine is completely different

[urban folio]

hmmm xoxor4d 's NVSE patch? I thought that patch came with the same atmosphere.nif bundled with it. Doesn't seem to do much on My install either installed or uninstalled ,I can see the sky and there's no weird dome like there used to be anyway. I got issues clearly from the Screenshot...but I think that's just one of my mods.

[dusk rock]

to clarify: the old patch we were using to make FNV compatible was xoxor's modified NVSE patch (which is a fork of blueamulet's from years ago). it fixed the atmosphere.nif issue and the nif file was no longer needed.

however, mine is a wrapper, so it can't target specific things like that. so you need to install NVSE and install that nif file to fix it

[dusk rock]

and yeah that's def from your mods

[dusk rock]

anyone interested in the development of the new mod, look at #1483912017357049916

[dusk rock]

https://github.com/Kim2091/Remix-Wrappers/releases/tag/FNV-Remix-Wrapper_v0.0.2

[blissful veldt]

this mod is on moddb right?

[dusk rock]

no

but it is right above

[ornate marlin]

still figuring out the patch for shadows on meshes right?

[dusk rock]

yes

[blissful veldt]

Does this mind with an xbox edition?

[dusk rock]

i don't mean any offense with this, but your english is very broken and we can't really understand you

[rustic pine]

From what i'm assuming, they're asking if this mod works for the xbox edition, and to answer honestly, i don't think it's gonna work with the xbox edition.

[blissful veldt]

The pc xbox version currently does not have an .exe file for the game download. its a launcher in folder that cannot read the FNV RTX Remix mod with an .exe. any tips?

[ornate marlin]

Your first steps are likely to see how people get NVSE working with the Xbox version there may be. Some insite there that you can use for remix

[raw slate]

Fnv has a launcher exe and a game exe u sure u dont have one on Xbox app edition ?

[blissful veldt]

im sure. the mod doesnt recognize the .exe file. I will reinstall.

[blissful veldt]

Reinstall pending...

[radiant hill]

Good stuff

[dusk rock]

cazadors look really good i think

[craggy crag]

that's pretty cool

[dusk rock]

last one

i'm pretty happy with it

[dusk rock]

did bethesda forget that or did i cause the world to vanish

actual questions i have to ask myself while working on their games

[brave cave]

the sky looks way less uniformly washed out now, does the day night cycle work?

[dusk rock]

it's pretty easy to set up, but i didn't get it connected yet. i've just been using FNV to test the cloud system

[dusk rock]

[urban folio]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gif-16488791

[dusk rock]

night pics

[dusk rock]

ya

[urban folio]

sick though

[dusk rock]

idk if it's just me but doesn't the cazador model look like... insanely good considering it's not modified at all?

just some custom PBR for it (for the eyes especially, roughness maps) and it'll be amazing

[cosmic sigil]

Does the Pip-Boy's flashlight work?

[dusk rock]

not yet. i need to send the status for it to remix and spawn a remix light

[cosmic sigil]

Hmm, but the game is already sending all the lights through the API, or did you set those lights manually?

[dusk rock]

that's a different method

it only works for static lights

[dusk rock]

🙏 time of day is set up finally

i know it looks kinda jank because of the low poly LODs but... i love the lighting

[dusk rock]

yes the ground is messed up. it's the LOD textures. they keep getting assigned to the normal terrain. need to fix it

finally got the moon synced up too

sun & moon are working now

now to get the pip boy light signal and spawn a light for it

[craggy crag]

looking pretty natural now

[dusk rock]

soooo much work lol

[craggy crag]

@dusk rock would be able to update the new vegas wrapper repo with the cloud stuff pls?
I tried just updating to the new remix plus actions build and it just crashes for me

[dusk rock]

i've been slowly working on an update for FNV stuff. it's all been ported over to an early version of my port of xoxor's base mod (it's still an ASI instead of a wrapper actually)

it supports the API, semi functional day/night cycle, the cloud system (albeit no weather support yet). the biggest problem i was t rying to fix before release was the LOD textures being assigned to the HQ terrain

[craggy crag]

ahh

[dusk rock]

i'm... not really sure how to approach fixing it

i wasted 10% of my weekly credits trying to

[dusk rock]

do you want me to send you the current build + source code?

[craggy crag]

sure

wanted to use new vegas for testing lol

[dusk rock]

🙏 maybe you'll find a fix for LODs too

[craggy crag]

possibly

[dusk rock]

god

i finally fixed the LOD problem

3 things left:

• fix terrain blending
• make custom remix runtime for FNV to filter textures
• connect pip boy light to remix api

[dusk rock]

gonna push these changes to github and drop the project for now. i'm too tired

[craggy crag]

I'll see if I can track down the problematic commit then

[dusk rock]

https://github.com/Kim2091/Remix-Wrappers/tree/main/FalloutNV-Remix-Wrapper

[signal wave]

can it be played yet or are there still some things to do?

[dusk rock]

it can be played through completely. it just has some visual bugs basically. and pip boy light is non functional

[signal wave]

nice! thanks for working on it. as soon as you are done with the visual bugs and pip boy light. I will start testing different mods on it I'll do my best to test as many mods as I can and report back here so we can compile a list of things not working that's unfortunately the only thing I can do to help out

I wonder if ttw works with it

[dusk rock]

ttw should work just fine, though i haven't tested it

[dusk rock]

and i appreciate that!

[signal wave]

no problem

[signal wave]

I will be doing the same for the other Bethesda games after they are playable

[craggy crag]

felt a little ballsy and posted a screenshot in the tes / new vegas reloaded discord

[dusk rock]

🤭

awesome

[dusk rock]

did anyone attack you over it by chance

[craggy crag]

nope

they were chill

[uncut ibex]

cool

[ornate marlin]

Hey would you be attacked

[craggy crag]

realizing that there's full pbr texture packs for this game lol
https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/94227?tab=description

with the improvements made in remix plus I think this could turn into something really special...

[dusk rock]

i got attacked last time 😆

[urban folio]

https://tenor.com/view/he-got-lucky-ethan-treadwell-ultimate-cowboy-showdown-he-was-fortunate-luck-was-on-his-side-gif-18483542

next community will chew him out. bet

[stuck harness]

I'm still waiting for the fps to be greater than 10 or at least that is how it was when I last tried more than a year ago

[dusk rock]

it's 30-60 now consistently. it has been since i released the first version of the mod

[craggy crag]

posted some screenshots to the community shaders discord

passed the sniff test

[mighty topaz]

no, the pbr shader only had pbr spec maps

no metallic

the whole reloaded project was abandoned sadly

whole game needs it's vanilla renderer stripped out and replaced, looked terrible even for 2010

[craggy crag]

when was reloaded abandoned?
their discord is still pretty active

[mighty topaz]

it wont get any more updates through it

there are people reverse engineering the vanilla shaders still

I'd love a shadow system that had normal map support and was not post process

wish we got something equal to oblivion reloaded out of fnv reloaded

but between oblivion and f3/nv release the game shaders were completely changed

fnv reloaded got a lot of issues

turn off ground parallax, that wrecks framerate

reloaded pbr does looks pretty nice tho, wish people kept dev it.

[craggy crag]

well rtx remix is our best bet I think

[craggy crag]

did some reading and nvr pbr uses gloss maps (inverted roughness) so we can just invert the gloss maps and use them in remix I think
no metallic maps is a bummer but proper roughness is something at least

[mighty topaz]

there are metallic/envirnment maps for some meshes

metallic in new vegas doesnt really work like pbr metallic tho, it's more of a overlay on top of the rendered textures/mesh

yea the reloaded roughness uses the vanilla spec map reverse

[craggy crag]

better than nothing

[mighty topaz]

there is real time reflection cubemap mod where u can jerry rig some puedo metallic pbr

hit fps ofc sadly

lotta stuff possible, vanilla textures/meshes had to be downgraded beyond insanity to get it running with ps3

funnily there is a tv model that is very high poly compared to everything else in game, seems like they left it in accidently

[craggy crag]

neat

glad remix places the entire renderer though

don't have to work around the quirky renderer

at least not in the same way

[winged osprey]

a vanilla plus lighting replacement and proper pbr implementation are in development. just as a standalone plugin and not as part of nvr

[craggy crag]

nice

[brave cave]

yesss thats all i want from any community rtx remix project honestly

[craggy crag]

wdym?

what they are talking about is completely seperate from remix

[brave cave]

youre right i got excited and didnt read through properly, i do just in general with more rtx remix projects had that sort of scope instead of trying to fully redo models and textures

[dusk rock]

well, things are progressing with this one

the cloud and sky system is almost finished. after that i plan to at least finish hooking up the day/night cycle properly

[brave cave]

That is so exciting, I really can't wait to play the game with path tracing!

[signal wave]

same

[signal wave]

Dead Money with pathtracing

[brave cave]

Especially since fallout 3 was the only one leaked to be remastered alongside oblivion, path traced new vegas will definitely fill that hole

[sinful vapor]

Hopefully fallout 3 remastered runs better than oblivion remastered they still haven't fixed the game and it still runs like s today

[mighty topaz]

How much progress have they made?

They said that years ago, I'm losing hope tbh

[dusk rock]

3 cursors 😭

(and none work for the imgui)

i rewrote the compatibility mod

it's a d3d9 wrapper now instead of an asi

a bit easier to use. clearer readme instructions too

https://github.com/Kim2091/Remix-Wrappers/tree/main/FalloutNV-Remix-Wrapper

imgui is still broken though sadly

[dusk rock]

FNV needs a lot of work

water is not rendered at all apparently. LODs still act weird

idk wtf broke. it used to be very stable. now it's borked

[simple sigil]

I wouldn't beat your self up about it, Fallout NV's Creation engine is held together by hopes and dreams, so its always going to be buggy imo. But your doing great work regardless!

[signal wave]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HALMsX3bUAAengb.mp4

[craggy crag]

wonder if skurty's new vegas demo works with the new wrapper 🤔

just imagine this with the pbr sky system + all the post processing work I did

[dusk rock]

gonna mess around with a custom runtime to try to fix the textures

[rustic maple]

Looks incredibly cool, just needs new high-resolution pbr textures 🔥

[dusk rock]

guysss ✨

custom runtime hides normal maps. now i can include optional octahedral conversion for them too. can also convert the specular maps to approximate roughness. also can hook up emissives

[brave cave]

unncessary i think, just path tracing alone is such a massive improvement and that would be so much work

though if it would be less work to make the original textures pbr im sure that would be amazing

[brave cave]

oooo that is so exciting!!

[dusk rock]

ehehe

normal maps are working ✨

btw this means that FO3 textures will be automatically converted in TTW too

[brave cave]

ohhh, are you anticipating this could be compatible with ttw??

this looks incredible wow

[dusk rock]

[dusk rock]

it should be fully compatible!

the benefit of this approach is that no one has to go and do captures to assign every material. it'll just look good right away

[brave cave]

that is perfect, i really dont feel like there need to be such high expectations of remix mods when path tracing alone is already so transformative

this looks amazing

[dusk rock]

best thing about this is that any texture packs for FNV should automatically work too, and their normal maps will automatically be assigned. so weapon mods, etc. will all just work right away

[dusk rock]

LOD issues are fixed for realsies this time

decals are auto marked now too. no weird visual issues

i tried to get roughness maps going, but it just looked pretty wrong. it's better to skip them given the issues

[signal wave]

yaaay!

[dusk rock]

the wrapper now communicates directly with the custom FNV remix runtime to fix all of these issues. it's been so much easier than purely trying to do it on the wrapper side

working on terrain blending now

[brave cave]

last time i saw a video of like walking around the terrain, there was still a lot of popping in an out of shadows and stuff i assume due to culling? how is that now

[dusk rock]

culling is still a problem. i either need to wait for Nvidia to make changes to get higher instance counts to run better, or i need to convert game geometry to static geometry to improve performance

i can easily disable the culling. performance just suffers too much

[brave cave]

oh that is unfortunate, im guessing its pretty devastating if its not worth considering an option

[rustic maple]

I know, but path tracing requires comprehensive PBR materials, it is fully revealed precisely thanks to PBR materials. But I don't diminish the work Kim did on the lighting and overall compatibility. And of course, you don’t need to take my comments as a suggestion or a request, which they are not.

Therefore, we have no reason to argue.

[brave cave]

oh yeah, of course! especially since im not making any mods

[brave cave]

i am curious, it is possible to just apply pbr properties a games original textures? and if so, would that be less work? or would it be intensive enough that you might as well retexture everything too

[keen niche]

I remember someone had a program which converted all the textures to the Remix format

[dusk rock]

there are 2 paths for this. one is the one i'm doing, which is converting the game's original material format to be compatible with Remix, and auto loading them in the correct slots

and the second is something like PBRFusion or PBRify, where AI is used to generate PBR textures

[dusk rock]

so previously with FNV, terrain textures would just kinda randomly swap. it looked really weird. i managed to fix that, at lesat partially. it's from FNV's terrain blending system

biggest problem is that uhm... well. terrain texture blending is currently non functional. i can't get it to work on the Remix side or on the FNV side

[urban folio]

I need to visualize this I think. but what do you have the ground textures tagged as?

[dusk rock]

terrain. the problem is terrain as decals requires the terrain data to be in a very specific format on the game side. it's designed around Source afaik. and it's nearly impossible to get FNV's textures to conform to that system. i spent all day yesterday attempting it

terrain baking is pretty bad for other reasons. also just that it doesn't blend either

[urban folio]

I think We had this same issue in Morrowind.

give me a minute

SO yeah terrain as decals is correct I think but You'll also need to add the Opacity Micromap Ignore Texture tag as well and they should blend like vanilla then

if it's the same blending issue anyway. terrain was not blending at all before E-man figured that out. now it works like vanilla though for that anyways.

hard cuts where terrain textures switch suddenly?

[dusk rock]

well, another part of the problem is that FNV is using an FFP wrapper, and the terrain is rendered through FFP entirely. so the original game's shaders no longer take effect

[dusk rock]

ya

[dusk rock]

i CAN restore it to shader for the terrain, but it would completely break mesh replacements

[urban folio]

if you can tag em still be worth a shot. might just be able to get the wrapper to auto flag em as well. I think that's what I'd do. wrapper should have all the info and then just pass it to rmeix pre-flagged

[dusk rock]

tagging isn't the problem

when fully tagged they still refuse to blend

[urban folio]

hmm yeah. Might be worth exploring a wrapper side Opacity Micromap Ignore.

[urban folio]

yeah that's what I imagined.

I don't think I'd pull back the shader either really. def a wrapper side or remix side fix IMO.

[dusk rock]

i think i'll need someone else's help with this particular fix

there's also this issue. anything with transparency just glows like crazy for some reason

[urban folio]

I'm blaming how remix is interpreting the opacity maps. which is all remix side afaik . FNV doesn't have those or use that stuff at all. looking through the terrain system they didn't really make any fundamental changes to how their engine blends terrain from MW to FNV either.

[dusk rock]

i might need to look at MW's patch code and try to replicate it

do you have it on hand by chance

[urban folio]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I can give you anything that's been done if it exists , BUT I'm not sure what You mean by that. Haven't needed to write a patch for the blending specifically as We aren't bypassing anything via the API so just tagging them in the remix ui game textures as both decal and ignore opacity maps was sufficent there.

[dusk rock]

well, you said e-man got it working? i assumed you meant a patch on the game side or remix side

[urban folio]

ah yeah. so by that I mean worked out the issue. which was just .conf side

So my vain of thought was to do the same or if tagging is no longer possible just find another way such as with the wrapper to ignore the maps for those hashes. Should be easy enough to get the hash and then remix just ignores it like it should.

[dusk rock]

hmmmmmmmm

i think i'm just failing to understand

when i tagged all terrain textures it just never blended

[urban folio]

What I do for MW is tag them for both. so tag them as decals and also the ignore opacity micromaps

for what I gather this also works for other games as as search of e-mans history shows him telling other people about this too in different channels

[hearty crane]

Maybe this will help, especialy the 4th point.

[dusk rock]

that's for terrain baking, which is different than the terrain-as-decals setting. they behave pretty differently

but i appreciate it

i might just need to modify remix

[urban folio]

Do not want to glaze over that transparency issue: prob fix that with proper replacements maybe ?pretty sure I seen similar stuff happen with MW and it's vanilla assets doing weird stuff like glowing.

prob something to do with roughness now that I think about it. grab a capture and make it 1.0 on the roughness slider

[dusk rock]

will try, ty

[dusk rock]

it was an issue with the sky system actually. fixed it

[craggy crag]

peak screenshot

[urban folio]

https://tenor.com/view/expand-on-that-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-tell-me-more-explain-gif-20031393

[dusk rock]

i talked about it in #1475609256949452972 quite a bit

[dusk rock]

🙏

i'm so happy normal maps work

[craggy crag]

daaamn

[dusk rock]

this is the old AE system still

[craggy crag]

bruh

[dusk rock]

guh. one more attempt lol

[dusk rock]

yuh

[craggy crag]

old ae system as in my old ae or the original remix ae?

[dusk rock]

your old version

this is my FNV fork which hasn't been rebased yet

[craggy crag]

ahhh

the new one is much better

[dusk rock]

ya

particles still need some attention lmao

[craggy crag]

lol

[dusk rock]

@gusty kraken you did magic for Morrowind's terrain system, right? do you have any advice on how to approach that for FNV? it's probably the same system

i can't get terrain blending working

[gusty kraken]

Hmmm I haven't touched anything deep with the terrain system both in MW and Remix, the terrain baker is a kinda legacy feature atm afaik and to-be-replaced in favor or the decal system. That said, iirc terrain blending in remix works by sorting the draw calls so layers are blended on top in the same order every frame.
In old dx9 it is usually done like that, the draw calls blend textures in stages from 0 to 7 using the math operators, so you might have success asking the AI to look at how dxvk-remix interprets such draw calls into a Remix terrain, and prefer to use "Terrain as Decal" as the perf is much better than the terrain baker.

Gemini's:

// Stage 0: Base Grass Texture
device->SetTexture(0, grassTexture);
device->SetTextureStageState(0, D3DTSS_COLOROP,   D3DTOP_SELECTARG1);
device->SetTextureStageState(0, D3DTSS_COLORARG1, D3DTA_TEXTURE);

// Stage 1: Lerp between Stage 0 and the Dirt texture using an alpha mask
device->SetTexture(1, dirtTexture);
device->SetTextureStageState(1, D3DTSS_COLOROP,   D3DTOP_LERP);
device->SetTextureStageState(1, D3DTSS_COLORARG1, D3DTA_TEXTURE);   // The dirt
device->SetTextureStageState(1, D3DTSS_COLORARG2, D3DTA_CURRENT);   // The grass
device->SetTextureStageState(1, D3DTSS_COLORARG0, D3DTA_TEXTURE);   // The alpha mask

[dusk rock]

yeah i did try this, but it wasn't really able to sort it out. it just refused to blend for some reason. i am aiming to use the terrain-as-decal option

i will try again with that sample code as a guideline

thank you

[proper pollen]

Reading this terrain stuff gives me flashbacks to trying to figure that stuff out for Dark Souls. The used texture stages aren't even consistent in that game. I managed to get AI to convert the layered textures to decals but this would turn the base texture invisible unless the layered texture was marked as decal. Also as you moved around more and more textures kept turning transparent so it wasn't really viable for gameplay.

[dusk rock]

okay so the problem was that FNV handles the terrain blending through shaders and vertex blending

it's done in programmable pixel shaders with N per-vertex weights (Σwᵢ·texᵢ), not via fixed-function texture stages.

Concrete proof from a dumped FNV terrain shader (PS hash B1753588, captured via D3DXDisassembleShader from the live process):

Declarations:
  sampler2D BaseMap[7];
  sampler2D NormalMap[7];
  // BaseMap occupies s0..s5, NormalMap occupies s7..s12 in this permutation (6 active layers).

Diffuse blend (s0..s5):
  texld r1, t0, s0
  texld r2, t0, s1
  mul_pp r2.xyz, r2, v0.y
  mad_pp r1.xyz, v0.x, r1, r2          // r1 = v0.x*BaseMap[0] + v0.y*BaseMap[1]
  texld r2, t0, s3
  texld r3, t0, s2
  mad_pp r1.xyz, v0.z, r3, r1          // + v0.z*BaseMap[2]
  mad_pp r1.xyz, v1.x, r2, r1          // + v1.x*BaseMap[3]
  texld r2, t0, s5
  texld r3, t0, s4
  mad_pp r1.xyz, v1.y, r3, r1          // + v1.y*BaseMap[4]
  mad_pp r1.xyz, v1.z, r2, r1          // + v1.z*BaseMap[5]

Normal blend (s7..s12) does the same Σ vᵢ·NormalMap[i] with the *2-1 unpack baked in, then renormalizes the summed normal for the lighting dot product.

The blend weights live in per-vertex attributes v0.xyz and v1.xyz — six floats per vertex, one per layer. That's classic N-way weighted terrain blending implemented in a single shader pass: a literal Σ wᵢ·texᵢ over up to 7 layers.

Why this matters for FFP-based wrappers / Remix routing:
- There are no D3DTSS_COLOROP calls driving the terrain blend; the GPU is just running a normal PS draw with a PS hash, an IB/VB, and bound textures.
- FFP has 8 sampler stages and one COLOROP per stage. It cannot compute a 6-way weighted sum in a single pass — there's no D3DTOP that accepts a per-vertex scalar weight against multiple texture args in one stage.
- Multi-pass FFP could reproduce it (one stage per layer, additive blending across passes), but you lose the unified normal renormalization and pay the per-pass overhead.
- The "sort draws so layers blend in the same order every frame" advice applies to old-style FFP terrain (e.g. Morrowind), not to FNV — FNV does the entire blend inside one PS draw, so there's no inter-draw ordering question for the blend itself.

The shader-classifier side already detects this case via D3DXGetShaderConstantTable: BaseMap declared with RegisterCount > 1 (i.e. as a sampler array) and a matching NormalMap[N] starting at s7. Detection logic exists; the routing-to-Remix side for multi-layer terrain is currently shelved in favor of routing these draws through an FFP single-layer rasterization path (hard-edged but stable).

claude's info about it

[dusk rock]

guhh

😢

remix's screenshot function keeps breaking

normal maps ✨

[craggy crag]

were the lights working on objects before?

[dusk rock]

these are manually placed lights. but the game's original light sources are passed through too

ofc in bethesda fashion the light sources are not actually on the lights

they just float in the middle of rooms and stuff

with many duplicates stacked on top of each other too

[craggy crag]

lol

I tried to get skurty's new vegas mod to work the other day and I couldn't

[dusk rock]

you can use like... any texture mod though and it'll work with this new build. normal maps will be passed through right away. should look really good tbh

not as good as being done through remix, but still pretty good

and easy

i just rebased FNV on the new build of remix plus btw

andddd the new AE is indeed much better 😆

[craggy crag]

do new vegas reloaded texure packs work? 👀

[dusk rock]

that'd require some reworking of the interpreter, but it could be done

[craggy crag]

those use inverse roughness

[dusk rock]

inverse roughness would be a lot better than whatever the fucking vanilla stuff is

some roads were ultra shiny and others looked correct with vanilla

if the reloaded ones use inverse roughness for all of them, i can and will switch to that and just tell people to download that mod

[craggy crag]

it looks like the inverse roughness is stored in the alpha channel of the normal maps for nvr texture packs

[dusk rock]

hm

😖

color pickers broke again for the sky colors

[dusk rock]

the sky lut tweak really seems to have messed with cloud colors in some instances

[craggy crag]

😭

[dusk rock]

this looks pretty good, but i had to manually set the cloud color to this

without the manual color tweak

it just doesn't match

[dusk rock]

was a simple fix thankfully

[craggy crag]

siiick

[dusk rock]

btw i am working on roughenss support again for that texture pack

[gusty kraken]

Hmmm got it. Well it might be a bit complicated but you should be able to generate one mesh per terrain layer (6) with varying vertex colors, each with their own BaseMap and NormalMap pair from the array, where the vertex color alpha channel will mimic the same math operations that the FNV terrain shader performs. Don't forget to flag them as terrain and enable terrain as decals.

for idx, base_map, normal_map in terrain_maps:
    mesh = generate_blendable_mesh_for_layer(fnv_captured_terrain_mesh, layer=idx)
    mesh.material = RemixMaterial(albedo=base_map, normal=normal_map)
    terrain_meshes.append(mesh)

[dusk rock]

can you link that texture pack

[craggy crag]

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/94227?tab=description

[dusk rock]

my god the requirements for that pack are insane

[craggy crag]

oh lol

[dusk rock]

this is the requirements list for just one of the requirements

there are like 4 more

😭

looking at like 30 mods just for this

[dusk rock]

yay...

if this works i'm just gonna pack it all up because i don't wanna go through this shit again

i wish i could distribute it, but mod permissions restrict it

i don't think anyone's gonna go through all this

[dusk rock]

took about an hour but i did it

sadly... it didn't fix the issue of some random surfaces just being ultra glossy

[craggy crag]

looks nice though

for what it is

[dusk rock]

yeah i agree

guns are nicer now

[craggy crag]

immediately looks more modern

[dusk rock]

sadly it just doesn't resolve the main issues i had with the roughness system

[craggy crag]

thats annoying

[dusk rock]

really...

[urban folio]

Welcome to Bethesda game modding.

[dusk rock]

my god

performance has absolutely tanked in recent dxvk commits

14 FPS in the tops

culling isn't even disabled rn

😭

[urban folio]

Yeah def some weird stuff going on there . It's weird though cause I pulled all the commits from upstream the other day and on the game install I was using, it brought the game to single digits. I nuked the install and now it runs fine though.

[dusk rock]

culling off = 7 FPS

[urban folio]

wtf

[urban folio]

they only put a single carpet/rug under one table?

[dusk rock]

it's the fake shadows

[urban folio]

ah

thought those were fixed lol

[dusk rock]

they were, but it broke the pip boy

[urban folio]

makes sense, the Pip Boy interface is a separate visual layer placed over the world camera IICR. prob on the same system as the fake AO I guess. Spitballing here... but it might be possible to cleanly separate them.

[tulip garden]

idk looks normal to me

[dusk rock]

so to update you about the sky, i reverted one or two of the changes, and i made the multiscatter strength tweakable. this lets some games focus more on artistic control vs physical accuracy

it defaults to the old behavior, but it's easy to tweak

[craggy crag]

that's alright with me
was there any performance issues or anything with the stuff I did?

[dusk rock]

no, just visual

[open ember]

[craggy crag]

do you have the commit for the changes
-# just wondering if I want to keep what I have for my halo fork or switch over to what you have lol

[dusk rock]

https://github.com/RemixProjGroup/dxvk-remix/commit/17fcbf1b9fabd086debc765297db53d3273faf8d

[craggy crag]

interesting that my actual name is in the commit lmao
-# I don't actually care
-# I guess I put my first name into github at some point?

Could there be any option for the coeffcients I used as a toggle if that isn't already in the commit

looking at the commit on my phone lol

the coeffcients I used is from the original spectral multiscatter blog

[dusk rock]

i'd recommend trying this first and seeing how it is, and if it's still a problem then i can try to add it back

i was just trying to reduce option bloat 😅

[craggy crag]

fair lol

if I prefer it I can just change it in my fork for Halo

[unreal burrow]

OrgasmicSneeze's work hasn't respected the source textures or art style very well in recent releases tbh

[dusk rock]

got tracy integrated into FNV's wrapper

i'll probably backport this functionality to the FFP template

[craggy crag]

nice

[craggy crag]

I can definitely see why you'd want the multiscatter on a slider lol

I personally prefer it at sun set but midday it looks a little dark

[dusk rock]

1 is equivalent to your original setting

0 seems to give more control over color and stuff

in FNV it's especially useful to match the original atmosphere

[craggy crag]

I didn't think about that lol
older game more than likely don't do multiscattering 🤔

[dusk rock]

it's very difficult to get that orange-ish tone in the sky with 1 on that slider. and even if i do, it comes with a lot of drawbacks

[dusk rock]

i optimized the fuck out of the FNV wrapper. it's extremely efficient now

and... for my suffering i gained 2 FPS. 8 FPS to 10 FPS lmao

so the bottleneck is on Remix's side

i'll save that suffering for another day

[craggy crag]

you think those optimizations could apply to other wrapper mods?

[dusk rock]

unlikely

it's mostly optimizing the new features in the fnv one

[keen niche]

Yeah, if your solution to those was to disable all vertex alpha, that would destroy a lot of things in the game.
People have tried it before, with NVR and Remix, to similar effect.

[keen niche]

NV literally just has a gradient from top to bottom.
It's all set up in the weathers, you have upper sky, mid sky, horizon, fog, and maybe some others I'm forgetting?

It does mean we have the exact RGB values, if that's of any use, but the color of the sky changes based on what weather is currently active, so ideally you'd pull that from the game actively, otherwise you at the very least lose the atmosphere of DLC areas.

In an absolute ideal world, you would also somehow still render the game's IMODs over top of Remix, but I don't know if that's something it can handle.

[craggy crag]

I more meant like physically based multiscatter

[keen niche]

Does it count as any kind of scatter when it's only a gradient?

I'm not super familiar with all the terms, so maybe it does

I only really know New Vegas 😅

[craggy crag]

multiscattering is like how light bounces within the atmosphere

[keen niche]

I have a vague awareness of what it is, I guess the gradient is a good enough approximation, then?

[craggy crag]

what I was trying to say originally is that almost all older games probably didn't do the math to simulate their atmosphere in a physically plausible way so because the atmosphere in remix plus is physically based there needs to be a little wiggle room in the math so we can approximate those not physically based atmospheres.

[dusk rock]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/423#issuecomment-4556042765

anyone with profiling expertise have an idea of what i could try to do for FNV?

i attached the tracy capture

[tulip garden]

batch all static geometry into large meshes

visually no difference except you'll have stupidly low drawcalls

will make replacements more difficult though

[dusk rock]

yeah 😔

that's my concern

[tulip garden]

i mean do you really count on anyone replacing that?

[dusk rock]

buildings and stuff, most likely yeah. they look pretty rough tbh and there's been a good amount of interest in FNV. not terrain though

[dusk rock]

well

we're up from 8 FPS to 12 FPS with wrapper + remix side optimizations

[craggy crag]

what did you end up doing on the remix side?

I did do the math wrong lmao

[dusk rock]

mark's suggestion regarding skinning

you can see it in the issue linked above

[craggy crag]

very insightful

[dusk rock]

the new sky system (clouds included) is 2.67 ms according to Tracy

[dusk rock]

unfortunately... that's all we got lol

[ornate marlin]

What changed that tanked performance so much?

[fresh belfry]

It could be due to Stochastic Alpha Blend*, if it isn't just the default Alpha Emissive Override.
*I had this issue with Oblivion back in Remix 1.4 / 2.0 days.

[winged osprey]

for terrain, during work on nvr, we agreed to use the diffuse alpha for height/displacement, so terrain texture packs which use parallax are setup that way

[dusk rock]

it was the new sky system

[dusk rock]

🥺 22 FPS

[craggy crag]

is that without culling???