Fallout New Vegas

[summer cargo]

You can also probably pick up on these by checking whether they start with dlc02overlook., dlc02anchoragebattle., wasteland., etc. etc. (obviously those are FO3 names, but you get the point).

[jagged chasm]

That’s exactly how I have mine setup to detect the material layers for a diffuse.

The diffuse name will always be a substring of the material layer.

[summer cargo]

I have it set up the same way but (1) tags are inconsistent because they're just copied and pasted textures.

Some are diffuse and some are normal.

And sometimes they're parallax too, because Todd has abandoned us.

I wonder if my USDA breaking the world map is what triggered the black screen Darian was encountering.

Oh yikes so apparently some of the normal maps even end in _n (1).

[jagged chasm]

So ignore the LOD folder, got it

[summer cargo]

Maybe before generating the USDA, run a script to just clean up this naming shceme 😂

I'm already doing a texture sorting operation in my program so it wouldn't be a stretch.

[jagged chasm]

Could use something like powerrenamer on windows to mass rename them.

[simple gazelle]

Well, since the normal maps are rendering in your windows explorer, but the other textures are just grey, I'm gonna guess they're using different DDS encoding settings. You could always figure out what that difference is and sort them that way

[jagged chasm]

No the LODs just look like that actually afaik.

[summer cargo]

From what I can tell FO3/NV use DXT5 which is very compatible with everything, I have the Nvidia Texture Tools Photoshop plugin as default which always displays them correctly. Other formats like DXT3, not so much.

I have a similar screenshot of FO3, colors are all correct-- it's just the naming scheme that's maddening.

I have a feeling that eventually I'll have to use Omniverse to manually sort out textures that aren't loading because there's a good chance names won't be trustworthy between these either, like missing a space or adding a - somewhere in the name that wasn't on the other dds.

[dusty lynx]

oh right, here's my usda writer

it is doing some weird stuff though where everything gets a bit shinier

also got slower now that it writes mipmaps, 18 seconds

[summer cargo]

WAit are we supposed to use em and m as metallics?

[hearty crane]

Deleted NVSE folder in data,now i can get in game w/remix
only xNVSE 6.3.0 (console) is loaded. So im dumb , dont know the Where JIP LN would go ...😑 (Same data folder?).

without remix Both xNVSE and JIP LN loaded fine

[summer cargo]

I thought they were related to cubemapping, but I know the game refers back to the normal alpha if none exists.

[dusty lynx]

my impression is that the normal will control how rough/shiny it is, but the em/m will make it look more like the cube map, similar to metallics

[summer cargo]

Interesting. It may need some fine tuning in terms of how much you draw from the em/m, which might be something to perform on the em/m textures themselves.

[jagged chasm]

Use mod organizer, way easier

[dusty lynx]

Also yes please use Mod Organizer 2, it works fine with remix and will save you so much headache

[summer cargo]

dlc05teleporterglow01.dds

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-chuck-mcgill-chicanery-breakdown-gif-25422432

[dusty lynx]

The whole matching based on suffixes is flawed anyway

so going to make a usda writer that incorporates pyffi

[summer cargo]

I assume that will compare the actual image data? That's a much better option.

[dusty lynx]

no.

It reads the nif to know what textures it uses

[summer cargo]

Ah, okay.

Well in any case once a good USDA exists that can just be distributed.

[dusty lynx]

also seems like roughness needs to be inverted, Solid alpha is shiny but looking through some of the portal files, edges of signs are brighter which likely means rougher

[jagged chasm]

Are you going to do perceptual hashing?

[dusty lynx]

what no?

[jagged chasm]

I didn’t know what pyffi did and was taking a shot in the dark 👀

[opal sage]

normal alpha is a inverted roughness iirc, and the _env/m is basically a mask for how heavily the cubemap shows.

[dusty lynx]

yeah I don't feel like it's even loading the roughness textures, I don't get it, but I've swapped it for one that's solid black, and one that's solid white, and getting no visual difference

[jagged chasm]

I though em was emissive?

[opal sage]

I wrote the wrong thing lol sry

Meant to say Env

[jagged chasm]

Are you able to share the r mod usda you’re testing? I can check it in omniverse

[opal sage]

too much terminology in 3D rendering smh

[jagged chasm]

Doesn't seem to do anything

You need to capitalize the material hash when putting it in the USDA from my understanding

[opal sage]

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/76374?tab=files best fnv guide for understanding how the textures work and stuff, guides O3A-C are for that

[dusty lynx]

ah good catch, though I don't think that's be the issue, stuff like the normal map and diffuse does apply

[jagged chasm]

Yes those are set correctly based on your path afaik.

[dusty lynx]

I'm getting create installed at least, hopefully can figure it out

[jagged chasm]

Just realized, any texture that's a quad can't have it's material textures applied without chopping up the quad first

[dusty lynx]

how so?

[jagged chasm]

Unless there's a way to adjust the UVs and such inside the USD

[dusty lynx]

now that is confusing, does it not support the diffuse and uvs being different resolutions? cause the vanilla textures have that stamp in the same relative location

[jagged chasm]

Oh the diffuse is the one from the capture, haven't touched it

[hearty crane]

See JIP and xNVSE installed.For now Reloaded seems to be the problem(i have reloaded 3.4.1)

[dusty lynx]

Don't bother with using mods like NVR or Improved Lighting Shaders, the entire graphics pipeline's going to get replaced anyway

[jagged chasm]

with the game's original diffuse applied

[hearty crane]

Correct me if im wrong. I thought NewVegasRTXLight was using Reloaded for ingame lights to be translated.

[dusty lynx]

Nope

it's standalone

[hearty crane]

so eth just uses the xNVSE (and jip ln?)

[dusty lynx]

Reloaded was making the game render solid black for me anyway, and was messing with the window flags. I had to remove all the effect files and disable a bunch of various stuff in it's config

[hearty crane]

Ye i also removed shader(water) and all the effects , i tought there was something else "under to hood " in the mod that i dont know.

now to test eth w/NewVegasRTXLight v0.3..

very dusty in tabitah's storeroom

[dusty lynx]

I am noticing a lot of [Warning] [omni.hydra] Parameter 'inputs:reflectionroughness_texture' of shade node 'usd::rtx_scope::/RootNode/Looks/mat_BEBE32D7E43461B4/Shader::::Z73file_3A::(path_junk)::Z58rtx_2Dremix::captures::materials::ZF2AperturePBR_5FOpacity_2Emdl::AperturePBR_Opacity(color,texture_2d,bool,bool,float,float,texture_2d,float,texture_2d,float,texture_2d,bool,color,texture_2d,float,int,int,int,bool,float,bool,texture_2d,::Z73file_3A::(path_junk)::Z58rtx_2Dremix::captures::materials::AperturePBR_Normal::normalmap_encoding)((421))' not available in the MDL representation.

[jagged chasm]

Might not be a variable that can be set with the Remix MDL.

[dusty lynx]

aaaah I'm dumb

"inputs:inputs:reflectionroughness_texture"

double inputs

oh and now the bridge is crashing

Division by zero in nvoglv64, uh oh. But it's from loading my reflectiveness textures

[hearty crane]

Egg sellent! , Still 7+1 lights tho.

[dusty lynx]

yeah I'm going to revisit where the lights hook is at cause it doesn't seem to be in the right place

[ashen bolt]

It could be caused by the fact Normalmaps are generally half the size of the diffuse .?

[jagged chasm]

Nah, it's due to the lack of UV editing in OV. You have to make the normal quad match the cropped quad.

[ashen bolt]

😩 Damn there's a lot of quads especially for buildings and kits

[dusty lynx]

Writing the DDS as DX10 format fixes this I guess

[jagged chasm]

BlueAmulet, I updated to the latest build for the RTXLight plugin but the normals are still there? Is there a ini setting I need to modify?

[dusty lynx]

I didn't put a setting for that one, what's the log say

[jagged chasm]

Reading settings from D:\Games\Fallout New Vegas\Data\NVSE\Plugins\NewVegasRTXLight.ini
Saving settings to D:\Games\Fallout New Vegas\Data\NVSE\Plugins\NewVegasRTXLight.ini
Translate lights: true
Light mode:       0
Disable culling:  true
Enable sun light: true
Use visual sun:   true

[dusty lynx]

yeah, no minhook errors, unsure

I do need to check with a more vanilla fallout.ini to see if there's other passes that need to be removed

[jagged chasm]

All good

Just didn't know if I missed something

[dusty lynx]

issue, some normal maps lack an alpha channel, Pillow does not reflect this

[dusty lynx]

Alright, fixed roughness not inverted, fixed normal maps with no alpha being too shiny, fixed the asset line for roughness, fixed the texture generation
Also I uploaded it to GitHub for version control https://github.com/BlueAmulet/RTXRemixStuff/blob/main/NewVegas/usdagen.py

Also it runs faster now, 18 to 13 seconds

[hearty crane]

a-ha!...seen et go upward 20 lights for a moment but et constatly bounces up and down in numbers

Performance is terrible outside / in certain directions but my CPU is old,6700k @4Ghz ,no OC no turbo. Could et be cause i installed NCM textures(they are pretty old tho from 2013).

[dusty lynx]

it's likely just the fact that we turned culling off to avoid light leaks, so way more outside the camera is being rendered now, and you're also ray tracing

[hearty crane]

Ye way more likely those lights in the distance)tho i can see them from here. Interiors are smoooth

[hearty crane]

Makes sense why the cpu i strugling real hard. Now the emissives dont disappear when outside of screenspace. But still no direct lights in Vault 21 😁 (says 8 total) .The update speed of the light is atrocious.But when eths settles...

3080Ti FNV , 25Fps , no Arty racing....👍

[dusty lynx]

@hearty crane rtx.skyBoxTextures = 0xA101BC160F9A401F, 0xA8EEF498B9799592, 0x70FD819D34D66854, 0xF6329E764BD73AEB, 0xE1585117D4E0B6F7, 0xD9CE192F4BAE037, 0xD3BD65A7C94B4AAD, 0xC03567212C8098A, 0x40A50501BBD59548, 0x9FEDDD1F0D9CC630, 0xA243B41375A21BCB, 0x6827AEF437EB8EB8, 0xCACAF2D2FE12ED22, 0xD16D5508EFB08CC1, 0x3A15B2026469D1CA, 0x1E150DE322965FA6, 0x85011A990FA7FD7A, 0xD4EE97B1560D25E0, 0x98368B6751200F30, 0x16FF7421AA78A959, 0xA5573958A638336B, 0xB89D26463D62DFAA, 0xACDFADD0D2EBCB6, 0xC345697725EACE15, 0xB97C2EFC68044D1B, 0xDEBDD0BC51391A42, 0xA4D80D15B19F91BD, 0xA0CF7BBD64E13D4E, 0x6D7C91F952086F23, 0x4D21C792A0630FDE, 0xBBD36AE50E866D97, 0x12CCB88C2720DF21, 0x2C02BE5BD469FB8D

for the sky textures

[hearty crane]

Will try now...

[little wave]

what others?

what does stock fnv mean?

also nvse shouldn't cause crashing it doesn't really mess with shaders or anything so not sure whyt it crashes, it just messes with how the engine performs tasks and runs scripts, bassically allowing more then <whatever the script cap is> to be ran at once and also not crash, and fixes many bugs with the game itself (in terms of loading/unloading scripts)

so if it makes it crash then that's concerning, remix must be interfearing with the games code not just it's rendering api

[hearty crane]

When i started from FalloutNV.exe i think it didnt load NVSE script and the NVreloaded mod, but through NVSE_loader it loaded those.

[little wave]

oh

stock instantly crashes for me

like, with fonv it at least launches (crashes when going outside)

but stock is instant crash for some reason

[hearty crane]

Other problems like making the sky consistent in indirect lighting,too many textures to consider.Sometimes a gust of wind might be blocking the whole pipeline(when i got out of repcon et hapened)

[little wave]

aren't all games like that

also for the sky just set the sky texture as the skybox then modify it's emmisive value

or make your own

what version of remix are you on

and how do I get controls to work with fonv?

like I still can't do alt+x or even alt+tab or shift+tab

[hearty crane]

@little wave The issue with crashing was actualy cause i thoughs reloaded was esential,for converting ingame lights with blueamulets rtx mod(NewVegasRTXLight)

[little wave]

none of those work

[little wave]

what?

[hearty crane]

We dump the NVReloaded. not needed!

[little wave]

still get this error xD

[little wave]

oh I was never using nvreloaded

[hearty crane]

@little wave https://github.com/BlueAmulet/bridge-remix/releases/tag/remix-mbc_hack

download this , paste in main dir.

[little wave]

I checked the pin and tried going to all the sites but my internet is litearlly 18 kb/s

[little wave]

it finally loaded

symbols or just the hack

[hearty crane]

Hack.if you already on v.0.2.0 AND DXVK-remix release 75, then you paste the hack over (main dir ,...again)

[little wave]

okay done

After installing [dxvk-remix-6b4fe7d-75-release]:Game setup->parameter tuning->ShaderSupport->
Use world transforms: DISABLED
idk what this is sopost to mean

[hearty crane]

@dusty lynx rtx.skyboxtextures =.... didnt help as is, probably cause i have some Texture as UI selected.

[dusty lynx]

don't mark the sky as UI

[little wave]

oh maybe it's cus my controller

[hearty crane]

@dusty lynx alpha blended on?

[little wave]

just disconected it hopefully it works ow

it does not

alt+x doesn't work :(

[hearty crane]

@little wave Use world transforms=Not Ticked

[little wave]

where

it's no where in the settings of the game

is it in the INI?

[hearty crane]

no...Game setup->parameter tuning->ShaderSupport->

[little wave]

game setup doesn't exiest I don't think

[hearty crane]

About the controler, cant help you.Dont know bout that

[little wave]

yeah just checked

no file called "game set up"

[dusty lynx]

Game Setup is a tab in the Remix UI

[little wave]

the only file that starts with a G is "GDFFalloutNV.dll"

[hearty crane]

Inside the remix menu

[dusty lynx]

to get Alt-X working, go into your Fallout.ini and set bBackground Keyboard=0

[little wave]

how do I open the remix ui without opening remix ui though

[little wave]

oh.

I thought you where saying I needed to go to game set up to make alt x work

which is why I was confused lol

@dusty lynx uh, what do I do if that doesn't work

alt+x still isn't working

oh

[hearty crane]

@dusty lynx is this rtx.useWorldMatricesForShaders = False the same command in rtx.conf?

[little wave]

it's working now

[dusty lynx]

yes

[little wave]

I'm so confused

alt tabbed out of the game then back in re-tried it and it worked

[hearty crane]

nevermind then...😁

[little wave]

I need a mouse

blue amulet

is their a mouse fix

[jagged chasm]

[hearty crane]

Alt+del?

[little wave]

do make it where I can see my mouse when messing with settings

[hearty crane]

or you see the mouse but you cant move?

[jagged chasm]

Sometimes the mouse doesn't work in the rtx menu

For whatever reason

[little wave]

like, my mouse doens't exiest in fonv

[little wave]

the option you said to turn off doesn't exiest

[hearty crane]

you dont have DXVK-remix #75 installed(meaning pasted in .trex folder)

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/5029160769
the release zip. 133MB

[little wave]

I have the 2.0 version or whatever from github

hmm

hmmm

[hearty crane]

At least these instrutions are clear:

[little wave]

it does this for a while then says "failed"

[little wave]

I tried downloading it it just says "failed" or that the file is corrupt

[hearty crane]

Maybe your browser is blocking et

[little wave]

I don't think it is

[hearty crane]

as unsafe file.Just a guess

[little wave]

it doesn't say it's a unsafe file or that it's a virus it says that it failed to download or that it is a corupt file

meaning it's either my internet

or I can't access the servers to download the file

[opal sage]

clear google download cache maybe

[hearty crane]

Yes, you have to loged in to github

[little wave]

or the size, my iunternet is 17 kb/s

[little wave]

yes

[fervent sinew]

Turn off windows anti virus

[little wave]

it is off

and it's not saing it was removed or that it's a virus

it's saying either failed or the file is corrupt

like I said though it's probably the large file size

same thing happense when downloading itch.io games that are large

[fervent sinew]

open it in different approach?

[little wave]

it's trying to download

it's not downloaded yet

[fervent sinew]

oh

[little wave]

before it said "corrupted" and before that it said "failed"

when I tried odwnloading

but I tried re-downloading it

and it's still downloading

it's a pretty large file

at least compared to my internet speed

[fervent sinew]

have you tried external downloaders?

[little wave]

I don't think that would help and I don't have any

it took 15 minutes to download the retroarch installer

btd 6 has been downloading for 2 days lol (it's paused rn though)

retro arch is like 200MB and btd 6 is 2gb

[dusty lynx]

GitHub doesn't send the file size so it probably wouldn't help

[little wave]

bassically even if it does work we won't know for a while because it's a realyl large file

it's done :D

I think it worked this time ebcause I didn't get a "corrupted" error

so uh

how do I fix performance

[hearty crane]

@dusty lynx Works! 👍 .Had this bright texture/layer marked as UI

[dusty lynx]

RTX 4090

[fervent sinew]

yea

[little wave]

I have a rtx 3060ti

[hearty crane]

@dusty lynx Did you manage to have a sky texture at the same time or just plain sky emissive?

[little wave]

and my gpu is running at 99% with dlss on performance and I'm barly getting 30 fps

[dusty lynx]

I have a piece of e-waste RTX 3050, I'm getting like 11 fps

but for the most part it's mainly just all the alpha blended stuff causing the framerate to die, if I turn it off it runs much faster

idea

[little wave]

wdym

also if I like, don't look at all the glitchy fuclky textures I get above 60 fps

[dusty lynx]

in Alt-X, Rendering -> Alpha Test/Blending, uncheck Alpha Blended. Stuff will be missing like grass but it does run way better

[little wave]

I've disabled literally all normal maps and it's still doing this does anyone know wtf this even is

[dusty lynx]

Install my RTX helper plugin it'll help get rid of those

[little wave]

this fixed that

like idk even know how

[dusty lynx]

https://github.com/BlueAmulet/NewVegasRTXHelper/releases/download/rtx-v0.0.4/NewVegasRTXHelper.zip

yeah the Normals are also considered alpha blended

[little wave]

what is alpha blending

[jagged chasm]

Transparent textures

[dusty lynx]

translucent, not quite opaque, not quite completely see through

[little wave]

huh

I thought we where sopost to run it without nvse

[dusty lynx]

NVSE works fine, just don't use Reloaded

[little wave]

oki

idk what reloaded is xD

it's still broken but it's ebtter

[little wave]

I don't have a nvse folder should I go ahead and copy+paste your folder or is their something wrong

[dusty lynx]

Are you using any mod manager?

[little wave]

no

I only have nvse

I did launch through "nvseLoader.exe" or whatever the files called

[dusty lynx]

If you really don't want to set up one, then the NVSE folder in my helper zip goes in the Data folder, but please do yourself a favor and set up Mod Organizer 2, cause there's various engine fix mods, engine extenders, and light placement fix mods that do benefit remix, let alone new vegas itself

[little wave]

wouldn't vortex work?

I already have vortex so...

[dusty lynx]

also fine I suppose

[jagged chasm]

I'd just follow the Viva New Vegas guide to get everything all nice and setup before getting Remix working

[hearty crane]

At least ets smooth sailing in (small) interiors

[ornate marlin]

The trace is amazing but god do wee need better textures

And models

Example the door having the vent in it modeled out

Remix supports modern PBR format right ?

Does it support displacement?

[dusty lynx]

not that I can tell

[ornate marlin]

Hope it's in the works

[dusty lynx]

you're supposed to just make a mesh that has it actually displaced and not a displacement texture

[ornate marlin]

Having paint peeling and missing tiles displacement would be insane and help with flatness effect

[dusty lynx]

plus we can't do mesh replacements outside of just replacing the .nif, there's no stable mesh hashes

[ornate marlin]

Ya but that's more triangles and this aint nanite, would kill proformance

[ornate marlin]

Ya that's what I meant someone updated models as standard mod then textures via remix

[dusty lynx]

I have to wonder though, I think a displacement texture would be RT friendly

[hearty crane]

Sure remix supports them.but not sure bout Displacement or paralax etc.Im not an expert in any of that stuff.

[ornate marlin]

From a proformance standpoint things with holes like the door can be remodeled via mod,

The tiled bathroom wall would be better with displacement

[ornate marlin]

I use to make PBR textures in substance designer

[dusty lynx]

inputs:diffuse_texture
inputs:normalmap_texture
inputs:tangent_texture
inputs:reflectionroughness_texture
inputs:metallic_texture
inputs:emissive_mask_texture
inputs:transmittance_texture
inputs:diffuse_texture

this is a list of the texture inputs in the dxvk-remix code

[ornate marlin]

I'm thinking about doing it when remix is farther along

Hm never heard of tangent

Rest I know of

Also they shouldnl concislder texture packing it would mean less files to load

Emissive and metallic could technically be packed together

RGBA packing could save a lot of space and resources

[dusty lynx]

the textures are already single channel anyway

[ornate marlin]

Ya, but can you pack them?

[dusty lynx]

why? it's still the same amount of space

1 file with 4 channels takes up the same amount of space as 4 files with 1 channel

[ornate marlin]

My understanding from MC shader at least is it allows for better proformance since you don't have to load more files

Even unreal does packing

[jagged chasm]

This might be the performance issue. Red is transparent as far as the PT knows.

[little wave]

I've tried for a very long time, disabling alpha blending does fix it but it also causing obects to disapere, hair to disapere, etc

image is sending

does anyoner know how to fix this

[ornate marlin]

@simple gazelle as a texture artist (don't know much about remix code) does remix support or will it
1.displacement
2.texture channel packing (and would there be a proformance difference)
I know in some cases it is used, for Minecraft at least it was used to ease a texture atlas limit so curious if there could be a benefit here

[ornate marlin]

And ya packing does increase proformance in other situations so could maybe do the same here

It reduces draw calls in unreal

[jagged chasm]

I don't think texture packing would help here.

[ornate marlin]

If it reduces draw calls or from my reading state changes is another thing it could help with

[jagged chasm]

The biggest draw call in our situation is the path tracing itself. You can optimize the materials used in the path tracing, but texture size doesn't do too much afaik to increase speed.

[little wave]

how would I install this using a mod manager, if that's needed?

also in data folder I only have a "nvse" folder not a "NVSE" folder.

also IU keep getting this in vortex

[ornate marlin]

Not to worry about size ya but more so amy proformance that may be eeked out reading stuff now but apparently there are some operations that could happen less with packed textures

[jagged chasm]

This game would actually run pretty well path traced tbh. The biggest issue it thinks so much of the surfaces of transparent.

[ornate marlin]

Ya, as a side note my thinking in posing the question is if we don't do this in remix to see if we could some other games could possibly benefit from it as well and it is a fairly common practice in newer games

I also like packing since it just less files to look through

Granted that's opinion

[little wave]

I mean... after installing the remix helper thing @dusty lynx it somewhat helped but whyt is it so dark?

[jagged chasm]

The game was very poorly lit originally.

We haven't fixed that part yet

[little wave]

if I keep the emmision on it's brighter but I really hate the way this looks xD

[jagged chasm]

I got some bad news for ya ...

[little wave]

wdym?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/955850849819689012/1111769296134221924/image.png

reflections

[jagged chasm]

That's about as good as it looks

[signal wave]

are all lights ray traced?

[jagged chasm]

The paths do be tracing

[little wave]

why is it now a horror game or smth xD

[opal crystal]

That's a feature, not a bug.

[dusty lynx]

Obsidian getting revenge for that metacritic score

[signal wave]

i really want to play with it. but i am not sure if all of my mods will work with it

[opal crystal]

tbh its a crime that FO3 has the highest metacritic score of all BGS games.

[little wave]

turning off volometric lights makes it look so much better

[dusty lynx]

Absolutely

[opal crystal]

I mean, I like the game, but its not the best of all of them.

[little wave]

oh cool their slgass over the vier tester macine so it's blured to shit

[dusty lynx]

also this reminds me, I only have certain settings in the rtx.conf, if I run the game and then save, no changes, it makes changes to my file

[little wave]

also I think the viger tester machine is sopost to glow

[dusty lynx]

but not only that but if I use the reload button in my version of dxvk-remix (reset + load), certain settings go away and don't end up being wrongly saved to the file

[little wave]

and what's up with the textures doing weird things

[dusty lynx]

remix doesn't properly read normals from the game's meshes yet

[ornate marlin]

To be clear soph it's nowhere near ready to be played with unless your trying to fix issues

If your looking to play the game right now this ain't it

[signal wave]

so we are at alpha now?

[little wave]

mostly looking for screenshots xD

oh I just noticed that emmisive textures aren't emmisive

like the windows in the base game are emmisive

[ornate marlin]

Believe that emissive lights and stability are the big ones

[little wave]

but with remix they aren't

[signal wave]

true it looks really good even at this point

[ornate marlin]

Ya think mark said something about not thinking this was going to work for like a year

This is like 1 month in lol

[signal wave]

he said that it wouldn't work at all if i remember right

[little wave]

well with remix working rn you can just capture the scene and then convert it into a thing that unrealk engine can run and make your own unreal engine fonv nvidoe on youtube xD

when you capture the scene to use in omniverse

you can take the scene and make it a fbx or obj I think, then run it in other game engines, it wont' have scripts or anything but youll have the models + texutres meaning you could make one fo those "skyrim in unreal engine" videos, which already rip the assets using third party apps.

not that I can or will do that (unreal engine won't launch for me) but it's smth that's possible

can someone please help with cortex

how the fuck do I have 0.0.0.0

and this still is being stupid

I also keep getting this I literally disabled my firewall

[jagged chasm]

I don't think this is the place to get help with that kind of stuff

[hearty crane]

Ye cant use interior lighting overhaul with remix

[little wave]

wha why

does it just move and add more lights?

[hearty crane]

Has its own shaders

[signal wave]

use mod organizer 2 it's a lot better

[little wave]

oh it uses shaders :(

darn

[little wave]

how large is the file size

if it's over 1mb then I probably can't get it (to large, internet is slow)

[little wave]

jesus fucking christ that'll take like hours to download, you don't have a smaller one?

[signal wave]

it'a 88 mb

[little wave]

yes

that's really alrge

I have 17 kb/s atm

[signal wave]

nope

[little wave]

:(

[signal wave]

rip

[opal crystal]

That means something is effed up.

[little wave]

I asked chat gpt (ik cringe or whatever) and it says that's 1.47 hours

oh thank god my internet is actuilly going fast atm 😭

[opal crystal]

It does mention it could just be that it can't connect to the internet.

[little wave]

yes but my internet is working

just 23 minutes till I can use a mod manager

[signal wave]

i am guessing that it don't like the internet speed

[little wave]

well

I don't have the money to pay for a ISP building + cabling + trenching _+ everything else

cus that's over $100,000

also

it's worked before

so idk why it doens't now

[signal wave]

oh

$100,000 that's a lot

[little wave]

their aren't any broadband cables or ISP for over 10 miles from our location,

and they won't be here ever either, like when you call them they literally say they do not plan to service our area any time in the future

theirs only ONE brand of satalite that we can get sense their is so many trees and it's viasat and they charge $120 for the lowest package here (their website lies and says false prices when you actuilly get the internet the lowest package is $120 the highest is $250)

the lowest package is up to 10 Mbps with a 1gb cap of high speed data after that cap is hit it gets throttled to hell

[jagged chasm]

Maybe go to a library and download it there?

[little wave]

I'm not walking over 30 miles

and I can't bring my entire pc, with me, over 30 miles away, by walking

and I don't think they allow that either way

[signal wave]

what you have caps?

[little wave]

even the $250 one has caps

it's capped at 10 GB

btw it's paid monthly

it's called living in a rural area (arkansa, usa, specifically live outside of any town or city because my parents "love privacy")

and also also called being poor

[signal wave]

i don't know if i have a cap

[little wave]

because not everyone can afford to live in some nice town or some city, and not everyone can afford good internet

[jagged chasm]

Bring a flash drive and download it to that, that’s what I used to do.

[little wave]

my family is disabled. I'm not, but they are.

I had a job but it wasn't enough to move or anytrhing

[signal wave]

i know.... 😭

[little wave]

plus I'm only 17

[dusty lynx]

New Vegas

[little wave]

it was barly $1,300 a month

the job I mean

[little wave]

I'm still not going to walk over 30 miles

and

[jagged chasm]

I still get that damn sky dome when in first person.

[little wave]

I don't know of any flash drive thbat cost $0.00

or any library that's $0.00

[dusty lynx]

Are you using the .nif replacement?

[fervent sinew]

like physically?

[little wave]

yes?

[jagged chasm]

No, where can I grab that

[little wave]

like they leally can't get a job so the government gives them $1,200 a month

and ofc free food from food banks and stuff

[fervent sinew]

damn sorry hope it gets better

[dusty lynx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106553248590090351/1110807032946245752/NVRTX_Mesh_Patches.zip

[little wave]

still not enough cus their are uh 6? kids living here

5 kids

sometimes 6

[dusty lynx]

It removes the atmosphere.nif which is currently texturely unstable in remix

[little wave]

cus, joey doesn't always stay here but does a lot

[jagged chasm]

@little wave not to be a big ol meany. But can you take this conv to #offtopic This is for New Vegas discussion.

[signal wave]

sorry if we are going too off topic

[dusty lynx]

I also grabbed the vanilla Fallout.ini and was getting a few more normal maps, so will try to get those blocked out by the helper plugin

[little wave]

I spoent that time... downloading a fucking installer...

oh it's done

fun

okay I'ma test fonv now

[jagged chasm]

Was disabling the normal pass at the renderer level not working?

[dusty lynx]

there are a lot of various passes

I think Kim said that's the MS store version which has a different executable, isn't compatible with NVSE, and had a different file layout

[jagged chasm]

This version doesn’t work with nvse and thus all out mods afaik

[hearty crane]

ahhhh ... ok ill delete et

[jagged chasm]

I could do an apitrace and give you the order they’re in if that helps.

[dusty lynx]

it's still good I guess but it'll itself needs some work

[dusty lynx]

doesn't, I just need to figure out what the pass numbers are and then add them to the hook

[little wave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896209305429245952/1111784662331826256/image.png

it's 2 fps

why is it 2 fps

[opal crystal]

What gpu do you have?

[little wave]

rtx 3060ti

[opal crystal]

Its path traced baby (puts on sunglasses)

[little wave]

that shouldn't make it run at 2 fps

inside it doesn't run that bad and no other game runs that bad

cyberpunk in 4k with overdrive mode (which is also path traced) gets higher fps

[sterile hinge]

It's a still-in-development runtime that (a couple of a weeks ago) was not thought to be possible with Fallout New Vegas. Give it time.

[opal crystal]

P.S. I was partly joking there, I have no idea if that is reasonable or not.

[little wave]

so a 3050 is better then a 3060ti? "Because it's a in development runtime"???

because people ona 3050 here are running it much higher then 2 fps

and again, it's only this game and it's only when outside

theirs also no sun, and textures seem to be broken

[sterile hinge]

you may have other issues that is causing the performance loss combined with RTX Remix

[jagged chasm]

If you're expecting anything above 15fps you're in for a bad time

[little wave]

even on a 3060ti?

in 1080p?

[opal crystal]

2 might be exceptionally bad, but getting above 15 on middle end hardware is slightly too much to ask for with a alpha version of something to add path tracing.

[hearty crane]

Im getting 7 fps outside , 3080ti tuf oc.

[opal crystal]

In that case, it makes sense the 3060ti gets 2.

[little wave]

then why does half life run at 120 fps

like literally ever other game with rtx remix runs perfectly fine

noramlyl at above 60 fps

it's specifically fonv and specifically when outside

[hearty crane]

its the CPU, or more precisely the anti culling from NewVegasRTXLight v0.3

[sterile hinge]

Can't compare, not apples to apples

[hearty crane]

my cpu is very old

[little wave]

yeah rtx remix comapred to rtx remix is sooo not comparable duh

also wouldn't a 1060 be "middle end hardware"

and like a 710 be "low end"

[hearty crane]

@little wave Try DisableCulling=False (go in data/NVSE folder etc..

[sterile hinge]

With RTX Remix 0.2.0 as an open source in development runtime on a DX9 title that should not have been possible compared to DX8 fixed function titles that the runtime is written for. Of course you can't compare apples to apples.

[fervent sinew]

wasn't there a mod to completely remove culling? i think it was posted here

[hearty crane]

Thats the mod, thats why the fps is so low. CPU is strugling even in raster mode.
when ets =True the game doesnt cull anything so thats a lot of load on the CPU,
ets OPEN WORLD.

[fervent sinew]

aaa

[little wave]

getting above 15 on middle end hardware is slightly too much to ask for with a alpha version of something to add path tracing.
okay so half life isn't using a lapha version of something to add path tracing to it, right?

[jagged chasm]

I don't know what your expectations are from us but I don't think they're quite aligned with where we're at..

On another note: Does anyone elses game crash when autosaving?

[hearty crane]

No @jagged chasm not yet

🙂

[fervent sinew]

i think it's also using 0.2 remix. so still, an alpha but it's a different thing anyway

[hearty crane]

I got other problems like ...pip boy is on another layer and if i enable that layer the sky is no longer emissive...and then the bigger problem , suddenly the sky turns RED. cant change et w/reseting volumetrics or indirect etc..

[little wave]

the reasoning for it lagging was
"getting above 15 on middle end hardware is slightly too much to ask for with a alpha version of something to add path tracing"

meaning that if your using an alpha version of something to add ray tracing you should not ever get abvoe 15 fps.

BUT EVERY OTHER GAME that uses the "alpha version of something to add ray tracing" runs fine.

meaning they aren't using an alpha version fo something to add ray tracing

Meaning remix isn't an alpha version of something to add ray tracing

which means that I'm not using an alpha version of something to add ray tracing, in fonv,

meaning the original point is invalid.

it's a contridiction and a paradox

it's impossible

[dusk rock]

was this in regards to the Epic version?

[dusty lynx]

yeah

[dusk rock]

if so, there's a patch now

i linked it above

[little wave]

even using the remix from portal works or using the 0.1 and 0.2 versions work to

[dusk rock]

https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/81281

aw

it's gone

[little wave]

meaning that the original statement IS NOT POSSIBLE

[jagged chasm]

Quickly download it and archive it

[dusk rock]

too late

oh, okay

so it'll be possible in the future then

[fervent sinew]

remix isn't even offically released

[little wave]

and?

the statement was, and I quite literally by COPY AND FUCKING PASTING.

getting above 15 on middle end hardware is slightly too much to ask for with a alpha version of something to add path tracing.

[dusty lynx]

just because other games run better with remix doesn't make remix any less alpha ...

[jagged chasm]

[mighty topaz]

So I'm guessing I can't slap this on my heavily modded game rn

[little wave]

unless, half life 2 and 1, don't use "a alpha version of something to add path tracing", it's invalid and stupid

[mighty topaz]

Ok cheers

[dusty lynx]

please just stop

[little wave]

I'm not saying it isn't alpha

[jagged chasm]

You can try but it's going to probably be a disaster.

[little wave]

stop what?

they LITEARLLY FUCKING LIED and said really really dumb things about remix

I'm not saying it's not an alpha

I am saying that it runs fine on most games

it's SPECIFCALLY fallout

[mighty topaz]

Please don't be over the age of 15

[little wave]

so no "getting more then 15 fps" is not asking for too much

[little wave]

I'm 17 and why does it matter

[mighty topaz]

You are being immature

[little wave]

I'm not

I'm trying to prove the point that it's quite literally impossible for the statement to be true

like their is no possible way for it to be true

and it is testable

yet everyone is acting like the ubsurdly stupid impossible dumb statement is fact

[dusk rock]

@little wave if you wanna debate this, move to #offtopic please

[little wave]

why it's about fallout nv with remix

it's not offtopic

[dusk rock]

people clearly don't want to discuss it

[little wave]

and? it's not offtopic

[mighty topaz]

Its early days, come back in a week

[little wave]

moving something to offtopic should be because it's off topic not because it's on topic on topic bnelongs in the on topic channels not in the off topic channels

[dusk rock]

you're continuing to maintain a discussion people aren't interested in, and you're pissing people off. so it's either i ask you to move or i potentially mute you, which i didn't wanna do

[fervent sinew]

@dusk rock https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:3B-atREWZ5QJ:https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/81281%3Ftab%3Dposts&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=iq
cache works just downloaded it

[dusk rock]

oh, nice

[jagged chasm]

Oh wow this really does make it struggle with the CPU. Congrats to Blue Wall for making the game CPU bound again.

[dusk rock]

i saw in the xnvse server that a nexus admin had commented on it, and Stewie got concerned and took it down for a bit

[dusty lynx]

Wall made the patch not me

[jagged chasm]

I fix with some white out

[dusty lynx]

I'll have that setting disabled by default for now I suppose.

[jagged chasm]

I'll get that trophy rewritten as well.

[dusk rock]

i want to clarify that i have no problem with you expressing your opinions about Remix. it's just the way you're going about it that's the issue

[dusty lynx]

Also struggling to block the normals, I did an extremely large range of 100 to 480 and they were still there. I know some ini setting does help cut down on them so I'll remove the ones I see with them and then figure out what ini settings also help

[dusk rock]

i can't select the files tab

[dusty lynx]

any larger of a range and the game does start crashing

[fervent sinew]

is it ok if I just send the file here?

[jagged chasm]

Is it a patcher or the game's exe?

[dusty lynx]

should just be a patcher, but it was removed for a reason, probably safe to just wait

[fervent sinew]

patcher

[jagged chasm]

Oh boy bitcoin mining with my rtxremix

[hearty crane]

But once those emissive rays settle...ets a picture 😁

[jagged chasm]

I'd add a warning that this may have a virus

[dusk rock]

what makes you say that?

[dusty lynx]

that xdelta patch is nearly as large as the entire falloutnv executable compressed

[jagged chasm]

I thought stewie said it was a modified version of the GOG exe?

[dusk rock]

this is what he said

[fervent sinew]

i would have sent the cdn link but it uses my public ip so

[dusk rock]

mm i'm split on this being distributed. he took it down for his own safety, so i'm gonna have to say we shouldn't have it shared here

which sucks since it'd enable a lot of people to use that copy

[dusty lynx]

they're figuring out a better solution anyway it's not gone forever

[dusk rock]

yeah

thanks for finding it, but i'm gonna have to delete it

(sorry)

[fervent sinew]

np

[dusty lynx]

I might as well grab the Epic version anyway though I'm curious

ah, the Epic/MS executable is a lot larger than the Steam/GOG one

[jagged chasm]

Maximum effort

[hearty crane]

No more killing/culling in New vegas

Now the CPU and GPU do all they dying

[jagged chasm]

So now not only do I need a 4090 for the gobbles of VRAM, I need the i9 to run without culling

[hearty crane]

Yep

[jagged chasm]

Who knew New Vegas was so demanding

[hearty crane]

The VRAM did went up but must be cause i added hd textures from F03 pack (preserve discarded tex is off) . Went somhwere in 8gb region

[dusk rock]

@jagged chasm did you end up setting up that file package?

[jagged chasm]

Which one?

The epic one?

[dusk rock]

no

[jagged chasm]

[dusk rock]

you mentioned it like 12 hours ago

i can't find it

[jagged chasm]

OH

[dusk rock]

basically the remix files and config pre-made for NV

[jagged chasm]

I have not, I'm getting ready to make pancakes right now so it'll be bit before I can do that.

Is there a way to share a whole MO2 instance?

Or is it as easy as giving ya'll the folder and it picks it up

[dusk rock]

i think so

if you have a portable install of MO2, everything is stored in that folder (including mods)

[fervent sinew]

yes

[dusk rock]

you should be able to just zip it up and share

[fervent sinew]

or this

[jagged chasm]

I can give it to ya'll after I have my breakfast for dinner

[dusk rock]

i haven't had much luck using this method (distributing the mod folder only) unfortunately, but it may work here

[dusty lynx]

oh, the mod limit fix mod is what was breaking lStewieAl's Tweaks for me

Had an older version for whatever reason, updated it and now I get a CRT not initialized error, so that's cool, I'll just not use it

[dusk rock]

nice

[little wave]

how do i make it look like a non ps1 gmae xD

[fervent sinew]

stay indoors lol

[little wave]

I did the NewVegasRTXLight.dll thingie and my fps is still 3

[NewVegasRTXLight]
PassLights=True
LightRangeMode=0
DisableCulling=False
SunLight=True
VisualSun=True

the ini

[dusk rock]

how's the CPU usage?

[hearty crane]

I havent tested my self. I thought et should help.Did you restart the game? did you change et while ingame?

[little wave]

no I closed the game changed it and re-opened it

[dusk rock]

well, the GPU usage is still very high. at that point it does seem like the GPU is responsible for the performance

logically though it seems like the game's configuration currently is at fault and is putting too much load on your PC for what it's doing

so i'd suggest just waiting and seeing if performance improves with further community work

[hearty crane]

All i know after i got et runing with that file things got really bad, Vault 21 wasnt strugling at all before. now ets like im outside

[little wave]

hmm

[fervent sinew]

soph how much vram do you have?

[little wave]

it's not constant either

[little wave]

8gb

vram I mean

it's like.

"stuttering" but the opisite

sometimes it goes up to 30 maytbe higher fps

but for a few seconds

so it's just even more confusing

[dusk rock]

i know this is a stupid question, but have you restarted your PC?

[little wave]

yeah

[dusk rock]

sometimes an extra Remix bridge gets stuck running in the background

ah 😦

[hearty crane]

disable the reflex(above dlss/nis etc.. options) just in case

[little wave]

wow I got 15 fps for a few seconds that time xD (like without it dropping)

[little wave]

why?

I'ma try restarting my pc again sense I haven't done that sense installing the mod

[hearty crane]

might cause unnecessary stutering or whatnot

[ornate marlin]

Think there is a mod for this

[dusk rock]

i think it's part of stewie's fixes?

[hearty crane]

There is alot of testing, trial/error in this rtx remix stuff

[ornate marlin]

If I remember right auto saving used to cause crashes so there is a save management mod

[mighty topaz]

does this work with xnvse/jip/jg script mods

[fervent sinew]

it should

[mighty topaz]

[hearty crane]

@mighty topaz Yes. to have Ingame's light sources path/ray traced these are mandatory

[dusk rock]

afaik some of it relies on xNVSE

yeah

i really need to test this myself

[mighty topaz]

ima test

[fervent sinew]

i'm never going to test any of this just like to watch

[jagged chasm]

Same

[hearty crane]

@mighty topaz if you want to add emissive manualy only you can do without xNVSE etc..

[ornate marlin]

@little wave wanted to point out that while it is the same tool used in multiple games the reason it's not an apple to apple comparison is that game developers can often use very unique and hacky ways to get stuff working that suits their games needs and that it can be something not found in a lot of games and is hard to account for. An example I believe (not 100%) is UI being in world and how sky rendering is arround the player. Additionaly remix was not supposed to work with games that have some of the unique shaders that FNV has, lastly we have to disable culling and do it through remix Wich I'm sure the ancient ass game engine is just SO HAPPY with. So proformance could be 300 fps in other games a week from now and we could still be lucky to hit 40 fps outside

[hearty crane]

Didnt you have 3080? or you just busy

[mighty topaz]

time to explode my 1080ti

https://tenor.com/view/one-last-ride-vin-diesel-fast-and-furious-gif-15360194

[ornate marlin]

Seeing as remix is very invasive they have to make it as versatile as possible so they essentially have to find out wonky ass ways people made games and plan for it

Fuckin hell Bethesda doing another Skyrim update

Fuck off Bethesda stop breaking mods

[mighty topaz]

lol

this is why fnv always wins

funny how they even updated fallout 3 recently

no nv

[ornate marlin]

Love their games but anytime they want money from mods they do more harm then good

[jagged chasm]

Yes I was joking

[fervent sinew]

oh

😔

[mighty topaz]

[jagged chasm]

I had to make my pancakes

#offtopic message

[mighty topaz]

ar so it crashed

"Run through the settings and turn off all shaders, reflections, special effects, and shadows."

is there more detail here or i just guess

[jagged chasm]

Uh I posted my inis earlier here if you wanna just copy them.

[mighty topaz]

sure

[fervent sinew]

does 1080ti even support rt?

[mighty topaz]

lol no

do it need the 2000 series card and above

i mean it can

jsut runs like ass

[dusty lynx]

GTX Remix

[jagged chasm]

I hear if you try it on a 490, it really does turn into a grill.

[dusty lynx]

GT Remix, for that sweet ol gaming on a 1030

[mighty topaz]

so dxvk uses d3d9

and remix uses d3d9.dll

[dusty lynx]

there is a 32bit d3d9.dll, this is a bridge between 32bit and 64bit d3d9. And then there is a 64bit d3d9 that is the actual remix runtime

The bridge allows to add high quality textures and meshes to a game without hitting against the 4GB address space limitation

[mighty topaz]

so

do i use the dxvk d3d9

or the other one

[opal sage]

hey that’s pretty cool

[dusty lynx]

If the game is 32bit, then you just extract the entire remix package into the game. If it's 64bit then you only need the contents of the .trex folder instead

[mighty topaz]

yea

would heap replacer mess this up

https://media.tenor.com/aAQtrP72ZpcAAAAC/tommy-shelby-tommy.gif

damn gpu too old

[ornate marlin]

Honestly think people hitting the 4gb cap was mostly hd stuff so "probably" don't need it but at this point there are some large mods and TTW so might be worth looking into idk of heap replace is compatible

[mighty topaz]

so i need a rt card that can build the rtx remix content , but i can run the mod files with a 1080ti. damn looks like someone else will have to test this

[fervent sinew]

ttw is worth it, it would basically elimante the need for remix debugging fo3

[ornate marlin]

Ya though I think NV does some interesting things

[mighty topaz]

ttw is pretty different from fallout 3

gameplay wise and balancing

[fervent sinew]

can apply further mods to get the original experience

[mighty topaz]

truwe

fallout 3 got far better level design, rtx would look amazing

[peak heart]

tldr how i run fnv with remix

[mighty topaz]

https://github.com/adamplayer/RTXRemixGuides/blob/main/Fallout New Vegas/README.md

just send me your 4090 and ill do it for you

[peak heart]

https://tenor.com/view/tommy-wiseau-oh-hi-mark-hey-mark-gif-17296134

[fervent sinew]

pins

[mighty topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

[peak heart]

dm ur address

[mighty topaz]

real

[dusk rock]

just gonna pin that separately too

it's linked in the first post though

[peak heart]

can i run enb

[mighty topaz]

no

everything shader disabled in ini now!

[peak heart]

hmm so mods still works?

[mighty topaz]

sorta

disable any graphics shader stuff

i think

[simple gazelle]

? hi?

[mighty topaz]

like high res bloom, real time cubemapping

[peak heart]

fuck that shit im talking about real mods

like tits and gun

mainly my guns

[jagged chasm]

He has been summoned

Mark, can you make the rtxmenu nvidia green

[fervent sinew]

yes

everything should work except i think graphical mods never hurts to try

[peak heart]

textures should be fine?

[hearty crane]

Yes.get your VRAM ready

[fervent sinew]

probably yes

[dusk rock]

the guide says this:

Avoid installing any mods that enhance the visuals of the game. These may or may not cause problems with RTX Remix.
i agree with it. basically anything that could increase load from the game isn't a good idea right now

textures should work but will probably cause it to be more unstable

[mighty topaz]

yea its fine

im sure your 2 gb guns will be fine

[ornate marlin]

Hey mark I had a question about textures for you up above

[jagged chasm]

Feels weird seeing people use my guide

[dusk rock]

well, you're purple now

[jagged chasm]

Oh shit

[dusk rock]

people will use it 😛

[jagged chasm]

[dusk rock]

i changed the order of the roles, Developer being the top one now

[ornate marlin]

This one

[jagged chasm]

[fervent sinew]

for 1 if you mean like displacement through normal maps or whatever texture map then yes, if you mean like physically altering the mesh idk about that

[peak heart]

well i cant get any more vram

[ornate marlin]

More so the packing

[peak heart]

so worse case ill just turn off some mods

[mighty topaz]

ak 50 go WRRRRRRRR

[simple gazelle]

wow, that's a long way up above.

1. Displacement: no. no plans to right now, either.
2. textures are already packed optimally for the way we load textures, as I understand it.

[ornate marlin]

So no need to rgba pack textures?

Aka roughness in r channel metallic in g ect

[simple gazelle]

basecolor and emissive are already rgba. The others are compressed in ways optimized for 1 or 2 channel textures

[ornate marlin]

Emissive is RGBA? Not grayscale? Hmm

[simple gazelle]

I have no idea what I'm doing

[dusk rock]

haha. reminds me of recoloring command prompt

[simple gazelle]

Apparently ImGUI::setupStyle in dxvk_imgui.cpp is where you can set all the colors, but imgui has a huge list of colors and I don't know which fields change what

[jagged chasm]

Ladies and gentlemen: RTXRemix 1.0 right there

[simple gazelle]

tried a few different background fields and the only one that worked was ImGuiCol_Tab

ImVec4(0.39f, 0.61f, 0.f, 1.0f) seems to be nvidia green though, if you want to mess around with it yourself

[dusk rock]

what is that? lol

[jagged chasm]

No you've achieved the peak, any modification to it would be downhill

[dusk rock]

i can't recall what i did when i customized imgui before

[ornate marlin]

Hey mark sorry if I'm mis understanding
In Minecraft maps are packed like this
https://wiki.shaderlabs.org/wiki/LabPBR_Material_Standard

Is this already done in remix or not needed

[jagged chasm]

I believe we're restricted to the Aperture MDLs that are in the capture folder

[jagged chasm]

Sidequest: make it look like a FNV UI

[simple gazelle]

My settings if you want to recreate it:

[simple gazelle]

I'm familiar with texture packaging. But we have a kickass set of rendering engineers on this team, and none of them ever requested we pack the textures, so I have to assume it wouldn't make a perf difference

[jagged chasm]

I see you're a man of taste with your K&R style of indentation

[simple gazelle]

so its not needed - just make sure they're compressed to DDS using the right commands and you're good

[ornate marlin]

Ok cool sorry for not understanding earlier now I know my workflow

[summer cargo]

Ooh, you know I think I'm going to need to do some research on IMGUI. It'd be a nice little flavor to the mods I'm working on.

[jagged chasm]

https://github.com/ocornut/imgui/issues/707

Oh thats what the ocornut part was from

[summer cargo]

I'd love to have some really sleek menus for Hitman and maybe a grungy metal one with glowing lights for Anachronox.

[dusk rock]

someone used it for a Barnyard mod. it works really well as a mod GUI

[jagged chasm]

the imgui repo

[simple gazelle]

I just follow coding standards of whatever code I work in.

That being said, I don't recall the last time I had to work on code with next line open braces. who does that?

[jagged chasm]

Autodesk

[simple gazelle]

welp, glad I don't work there then 😛

[summer cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-blade-runner2049-defeat-sad-disappointed-gif-17817916

[dusty lynx]

alright, wrote a bunch of untested code lets see if it A works and B works better than what I was doing before

[jagged chasm]

[dusty lynx]

it crashed

ah huh ... the hook where I have lights being sent to remix says it's finding like 40 lights, but remix only says it has 8

[jagged chasm]

Hm maybe that's what Drako was talking about

[hearty crane]

interiors had same 7sphere + 1 directional , but otside...crazyness
Bouncing between around 10 and 20....Rapidly

[jagged chasm]

Wonder where it’s getting limited.

[dusty lynx]

D3DCAPS9 MaxActiveLights is 8?

[jagged chasm]

Maybe. But then why is there so many outdoors?

Maybe we need to consult Todd

[dusty lynx]

tried setting d3d9.maxEnabledLights = 64, cap reports 64 now but remix still only reporting 8

constexpr uint32_t MaxEnabledLights = 8; 🤔

[jagged chasm]

Mark pls

[dusty lynx]

that's probably from vanilla dxvk

[jagged chasm]

Likely, I'm surprised it isn't a config option

[dusty lynx]

and now the lucky 38 is reporting 124 lights

[dusk rock]

btw that Epic patcher does work perfectly for xNVSE

[jagged chasm]

[dusk rock]

i did also find the link that Nexus has up for it (without any personal info). it's their archived version of it. i don't know if i want to share it though

[dusty lynx]

what

[dusk rock]

sphere?

[hearty crane]

In DXVK or Lighting statistics?

[dusty lynx]

that's the remix ui

[jagged chasm]

Now my math minor may not be a whole degree but this doesn't add up

[dusty lynx]

But yeah 37 is what I was expecting

[dusk rock]

is there a light type that's not reported in the remix ui?

[dusty lynx]

well, 38, cause sun

I'm only giving it one directional light and new vegas only supports point lights

[dusk rock]

ah

[hearty crane]

So Vault 21 should have 20+1 (joke)

[signal wave]

@jagged chasm did you send that email or was it a joke?

[jagged chasm]

Little bit from A, little bit from B...

[dusk rock]

sorry for the unrelated question, but has anyone in here tried TTW yet?

[jagged chasm]

I think Darko has

[dusty lynx]

@simple gazelle Found out that, D3DCAPS9 MaxActiveLights by default is only 8, d3d9.maxEnabledLights can change the caps, but otherwise doesn't do anything. In d3d9_caps.h there is a constexpr MaxEnabledLights also set to 8. Increasing this number to 64 did successfully allow more lights to be passed from New Vegas to Remix

[hearty crane]

i had(i have pics in showcase) but not with these new files(when the vertex wobbliness was a thing) . Currently cant try FNV/F03 not connected with TTW/ModOraganizer2

[dusty lynx]

I do have an alternative idea for how to get more lights into remix without modify dxvk-remix

[simple gazelle]

huh, that's in the remix codebase?

[dusty lynx]

it comes as part of vanilla dxvk

[simple gazelle]

you should submit an MR turning that up to 1 million or something

or at least driving it from rtx.conf

[jagged chasm]

Gotta push the ReSTIR to the max

I need the strip looking fancy

[dusty lynx]

Thinking about it though it is partially my issue, I don't have to have all the lights active at once, I can have lights activate and deactivate as needed per draw

[simple gazelle]

well, it'll probably need profiling, but it should be really cheap to just send tons and tons of lights in the Remix side of thing

[jagged chasm]

I should really run nsight on new vegas to see what's the root of the low fps

[mighty topaz]

Bethesda hate NV

[summer cargo]

P.S.: If you help us, someone will make Fallout 3 work with path tracing and then it'll still be better than New Vegas, just as it should be.
Todd will have to help us now. 😎

[mighty topaz]

This

[summer cargo]

Jokes aside I think it'd be awesome if he responded to this.

[mighty topaz]

God imagine if we got the dev tools instead of the gimped geck

[summer cargo]

I thought about reaching out about Redguard but I didn't have the guts. 😅

[summer cargo]

FWIW, GECK is so much more than most games ever get.

[mighty topaz]

Yet it's still a massive pile of shit

[summer cargo]

Legally I doubt they'd ever be allowed to put out the full SDK due to the third party libraries in use.

[mighty topaz]

Without geck extender it's very hard to use without crashing

Yea

Gamevryo uses a lot of third party plugins

[summer cargo]

That's also why Unreal Engine only went open source with UE4, and most game engines competing can never even consider it.

I think Tim Sweeney has said that they wanted to release UE1 at some point but couldn't because of third party libraries.

[mighty topaz]

Even the first doom engine wasn't fully open source

It used third party audio plugins

X ray engine tho everything is open sourced

Stalker engine

Crazy what people have done with that engine

[jagged chasm]

I think the devs behind sims 2 want it open sourced but EA said no.

[mighty topaz]

Leak it

[jagged chasm]

No leaks, have to abide by the rules

[mighty topaz]

Real

[jagged chasm]

I asked Todd nicely to help us

[mighty topaz]

I have fnv source code

[summer cargo]

That's a great way to make sure you're never trusted in engine programming again.

[mighty topaz]

Nothing is ever leaked out of Bethesda

[dusk rock]

also don't discuss leaked code here

[summer cargo]

It's cool to see it as a viewer and a fan, but yeah, would never ever recommend someone go that route.

[mighty topaz]

Real

[jagged chasm]

Lemme leak anchorlights code: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Allman_style

[summer cargo]

The other issue is if they were legally within total agreement to use and distribute those materials it would be one thing, but these licenses were signed... 13 years ago? Probably older than Oblivion in actuality, so more like 18.

[summer cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-disintergrating-meme-emoji-disintegrating-meme-gif-21239978

[mighty topaz]

Even havok stuff for creation engine is super grey zone no one talks about

[lavish isle]

because havok is mostly animations

[summer cargo]

I imagine Havok is more open with their technology now. Most of the agreements with Oblivion, Fallout 3, and NV were probably put together in the 00's. It was a different time in gamedev and Blitz3D and the like are nothing compared to the suite of tools Unity, UE etc. provide to just about anyone with a decent computer now.

[mighty topaz]

@peak heart WAKEY WAKEY

Can't wait to see his PC explode

Would rtx work in the geck?

The real time game window

[lavish isle]

remix worked in oblivions tes contructionset so i dont see why not

[mighty topaz]

Yea

Mostly the sameish

[lavish isle]

cept its not

dif hash and rtx config

[mighty topaz]

I mean ui wise

[lavish isle]

remix reads the exe if i rem

so dif hashed textures

[mighty topaz]

Yea

Oblivion meshes work with f3/NV out of the box fun fact

[lavish isle]

errr

not really

has dif things in nifscopes settings

opening the nif

because of dismembermant

[jagged chasm]

Yes it’s accidentally injected when I’ve opened up it to look around.

[mighty topaz]

There is a mesh from oblivion randomly the thr game files

[lavish isle]

ik i was the one doing the oblivion project with help

in remix

[mighty topaz]

Real

I should play it again

[fervent sinew]

todd who

[mighty topaz]

Last well written Bethesda game

[lavish isle]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[dusty lynx]

building a nightly with the increased lights limit

[reef siren]

we love 4x the size

[dusty lynx]

what about 16x the lights

[jagged chasm]

I read that in Todd’s voice

Can we climb that mountain in the distance?

[summer cargo]

Not if the mountain has a vertex explosion first. 👀

[dusty lynx]

Lights! https://github.com/BlueAmulet/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/5096553900

[opal crystal]

Essentially the reason it is archived is that it may have issues that it essentially strips the DRM of the EGS version of the FNV exe, so arguably its an unintentional cracking tool.

[dusk rock]

yeah

[mighty topaz]

lol

does bethesda games even have drm?

[dusk rock]

yes

[opal crystal]

Not everyday you accidentally crack a game.

[mighty topaz]

their dlc sure doesn't

[opal crystal]

Steam copies have Steam DRM, EGS copies have EGS DRM.

The drm is only in the exe.

[mighty topaz]

only deunvo drm matters anymore, everything else is cracked instantly

[opal crystal]

Its mostly to access achievements for that platform.

[opal crystal]

GOG's version is the Steam version but with a dll to emulate Steam's api.

[summer cargo]

I thought EGS didn't have a DRM of its own.

Did they go back and implement that?

[dusk rock]

they've had it for years now

there's just a ton of games published on there that don't utilize it

[summer cargo]

Does it have an always online requirement too?

I remember buying Final Fantasy 7 Remake for PC (bad idea)... it uses EOS to do an online phone home and forces you out of the game if you're not online.

[mighty topaz]

GOG version is 4 gb aware

otherwise same

[dusty lynx]

ah, so that's what GalaxyWrp.dll is

now I'm kind of curious what lStewieAl did for the steam wrapper on their Epic patcher

[opal crystal]

Take GoG version of exe, make delta patcher to turn EGS to essentially the GOG version but also remove Steam DRM so they wouldn't need the steamapi emulating dll.

[dusty lynx]

Yeah I saw that

[opal crystal]

So, yeah, you can see why it got taken down.

He did say its possible he could find out a way to reimplement EOS drm, but that he doesn't want to do that.

[dusk rock]

i don't think so

[summer cargo]

Guess that one was just Square being Square then. 😅

[mighty topaz]

can't use any mods without downgrading it

[dusk rock]

@summer cargo https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Store:Epic_Games_Store

details about their DRM

[opal crystal]

You can use any mod that does not require NVSE.

[mighty topaz]

which would be very few

[opal crystal]

There are many mods that don't require it.

[mighty topaz]

not many

xnvse is needed for the script extender mods

[opal crystal]

For the purpose of this argument, the top two most downloaded FNV mods don't require nvse.

[opal crystal]

And most mods aren't those.

[mighty topaz]

any fnv made before 2019 is made badly

or has been replaced

with better ones

[opal crystal]

YUP does not require NVSE.

[mighty topaz]

yup

idk to make a modded nv you need script extender mods

just how it is, otherwise you are missing out

im sure they'll find a way

i mean the base game is pretty okish

[opal crystal]

While there are many good NVSE requiring mods, its heavily exaggerating that you can only mod the game with NVSE.

[mighty topaz]

gonna be a pain

tfw no rtx card

[peak heart]

got it loaded in game working fine

lose like 100fps

but nothing change game still looks vanilla

[mighty topaz]

@brazen oyster WAKEY WAKEY

@dusty lynx can u halp

[dusty lynx]

No I'm going to sleep

[keen niche]

You can get pretty close to something like PBR when these things are used in clever ways.
Take a look at this Power Armor retexture mod:
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/130/images/74786/74786-1658074616-1643367630.jpeg
It seems like it should just be a matter of figuring out how to translate those to RTX properly.

[mighty topaz]

[peak heart]

@dusty lynx i have everything loaded in game but the world transform part isnt in the menu

[dusty lynx]

You have an older dxvk-remix then

[peak heart]

can you link the newest one

that isnt a github link?

[dusty lynx]

Sorry GitHub only

https://github.com/BlueAmulet/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/5096553900

[peak heart]

wheres the download link

[mighty topaz]

we cant dl it

[dusty lynx]

The release artifact

[peak heart]

here?

[dusk rock]

release

bottom one

[peak heart]

cant click

[dusty lynx]

Yes, extract into the .trex folder

[peak heart]

not a link

[mighty topaz]

[dusk rock]

you need to be signed into an account

[peak heart]

oh fuck

ok

[mighty topaz]

can u post to mediafire

[dusty lynx]

I am in bed my computer is off

[mighty topaz]

i cant get past this part

[dusk rock]

i'll mirror it

don't post that please

[peak heart]

ok