Battlefield 2

[thin vector]

I think game specific

having access to camera matrices and sending the information back to bridge could work

[winged raven]

I have no idea how these work so I just asked

Huh @quick kelp

[thin vector]

xoxor4d please share your blessings on this game 🙏 if possible

[quick kelp]

Haven’t put much thought into it but would be a simple generic tool that reads an ini file where the user sets offsets at which it can find the matrices in memory .. and maybe an offset where in the renderer loop the game will send these matrices into the d3d pipeline

So would still require a lot of reversing … and at this point, writing something specific for that game might be easier

[thin vector]

That would be great. Better than nothing I suppose

[quick kelp]

Would definitely help if there is “external” “help” via pdb’s that were accidentally shipped with updates .. be it bf2 or earlier games … not sure if there are any related to bf games tho

[thin vector]

😬

[rapid spear]

None exist

[winged raven]

Interesting

[winged raven]

I had a dream where Battlefield 2 was working pretty well with Remix

Then realized it was ReShade with some magic hq shadows

It can't even work in my dreams lol

[thin vector]

😭

Even in dreams we're not hopeful

[winged raven]

this got me

[quick kelp]

the bf2 linux server files do have dwarf symbols in them

[rapid spear]

Oh yea I forgot about that. I don’t quite know if they’re helpful tho

I was under the impression it would only have server related symbols

[thin vector]

can anyone be kind enough to explain what dwarf symbols are you guys talking about and what do they do?

[quick kelp]

debugging information that are baked into the executable (useful if the process crashes .. the developer can directly attach a debugger and see function names / types etc .. so that he knows where exactly it crashed). Windows executables compiled with the msvc compiler come with a file called pdb

[winged raven]

Which game developers leak in purpose to help future modders

[rapid spear]

https://github.com/BadSanta12345/RFX/ 👀

[thin vector]

Would access to renderer be any good to us?

[quick kelp]

ooh yea I was looking for ClassManager

because CRenderer->CRendererInfo

[thin vector]

Brother how did you find this

[thin vector]

ProjectionMatrix ???

Is that what we're looking for

[rapid spear]

From the PR wiki

[thin vector]

(excuse me I'm just babbling out of possible excitement)

[quick kelp]

man this looks like a really nice base

[thin vector]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-and-dumber-lloyd-theres-a-chance-jim-carrey-gif-11098164

[rapid spear]

I yearn for digging deep in the mines of the internet

[winged raven]

Whats going on here

[rapid spear]

Cooking

[thin vector]

We're onto something

[thin vector]

@winged raven look here

[winged raven]

Huh

So we basically have access to everything?

[rapid spear]

Nah just a good starting point

[thin vector]

we believe in xoxor4d 🙏

[winged raven]

So excited to see what you guys will come up with

[rapid spear]

By the way, I finally got something that loads directly into a level. Add these to the target on a shortcut to the exe:
+fullscreen 0 +restart 1 +szx 1920 +szy 1080 +ignoreAsserts 1 +developer 1 +debugOutput 0 +gameMode sp1 +lowSpec 1 +menu 1 +ai 1 +maxPlayers 16 +playerName Name +loadLevel Gulf_of_Oman

[quick kelp]

actual bf2 exe or the editor (_r) one?

[rapid spear]

Should work on the regular one, but I tested it on the _r one

[thin vector]

Link?

I wanna read the RenderView section

[winged raven]

Repo says it only works on regular 1.5 exe

[quick kelp]

@rapid spear https://github.com/marekzajac97/BF2-HUD-fix does this do anything for you if you run the game at .. lets say 2560x1080?

looks like it places the hook at the correct spot but my game is not calling the hudManager.refresh method this hooks

ah nvm I'm stupid and didnt copy the hud folder into the zip 😜

[winged raven]

What about this

[quick kelp]

using this as a base rt and was just wondering why my breakpoint wouldnt trigger

[quick kelp]

lookin good

ah damn I forgot that there is no menu with remix loaded

oh no actually the latest build can show some parts of the menu

[winged raven]

Adam's launch arguments not working?

It should directly load into a level

[quick kelp]

not with the non developer build

😄

[winged raven]

Oh my

ITS WORKING

[quick kelp]

I think the renderer crashed

can still hear sound tho

[winged raven]

Well I want to tell something useful before freaking out of excitement, you can launch the dedicated server and use +joinServer ip. This works alone most of the time, if not you can probably add the +playerName Name
to directly load into a level

bf2_w32ded.exe

IT IS WORKING

What are you doing now

[quick kelp]

was just testing without these to see how it looks at it was just rendering the game with default shaders

[winged raven]

How promising is it

I am blown away by this point, not sure what to do if it gets any better

[quick kelp]

😜

how can I spawn without seeing the spawn menu map thing 😄

ooo even the moving tank has stable hashes

lmao

[winged raven]

Stable hashes lets gooo

[quick kelp]

is there like a console command that force spawns me or something

[winged raven]

Uhh not I am aware of

I will have a look

I had a list of commands somewhere

[quick kelp]

or like a key combo I can press

[winged raven]

THIS IS INCREDIBLE

[quick kelp]

like 1 then enter then enter again of sorts

[winged raven]

https://bf2tech.uturista.pt/index.php/BF2_Console_Commands

[winged raven]

Not I am aware of :/

The game even has a narrative help that will guide you how to spawn :D

How you do this? The same thing with CoD MW 1 ? So apperantly this isn't something generic so remix can do itself.

[quick kelp]

same as cod yea

[winged raven]

Uh nothing works

If ui works but just invisible, could you use some reference images?

[quick kelp]

mhh no there is no ingame ui unfortunately

[winged raven]

I mean if they're invisible, you could still click them?

[quick kelp]

yea

I'll now mark stuff on my screen using non remix lmao

[winged raven]

So you're on a 16 sized map, in singleplayer am I right

[quick kelp]

correct

ive now marked the little dot on the map and the done key

with electrical tape 😄

[winged raven]

lol

[quick kelp]

ah damn forgot that I cant even see my mouse 😄

[winged raven]

Default spawn time should be 15 s

[winged raven]

damn

You could alt tab and focus on a different window, position the mouse, alt tab back and spam click maybe

Btw sometimes game decides to pop up the score tab which mouse controls the camera

Check if you hear sfx when hovering over the loadout menu

[quick kelp]

mhh no nothing

I can send you the build and you could test yourself if you want

[winged raven]

If this doesn't work, I could record some gameplay demo, pass you over and you could replay that

[quick kelp]

original repo: https://github.com/marekzajac97/BF2-HUD-fix

I think I'll try without this installation step here:

can you send me Battlefield 2\mods\bf2\Menu_server.zip because I did not make a backup :x

thanks!

make sure to use the most up to date build of remix

[winged raven]

quick, get it before the federals arrive

[quick kelp]

done

ooh it works without that

[winged raven]

Uh mine just crashed :/

[quick kelp]

on start?

mine sometimes crashes when loading the map

[winged raven]

Uh I was all on high, nevermind

I am TOO excited right now 😅

[quick kelp]

haha have fun and please post any progress! g2g to bed now

[winged raven]

trying to get in, thank you so much ❤️

I am in!

[rapid spear]

I can't seem to get it to work

[quick kelp]

🙏

[winged raven]

Make sure to set everything to low, we both used windowed mode

I can't spawn either

[quick kelp]

Don’t use bf2_r

[winged raven]

It has fp precision errors, but it looks promising

[rapid spear]

Yea I think that's my issue

[winged raven]

Oh

I need to figure out spawning 🤔

[quick kelp]

Should probably port the offsets other to bf2_r tho

[quick kelp]

Cant you see the menu?

[winged raven]

Nope

[quick kelp]

Huh odd mine was working fine without the hud mod stuff

[winged raven]

Oh now I do

needed to mark as ui

[rapid spear]

I can't move my mouse

[winged raven]

Does it move the camera

instead

[rapid spear]

Nope

[winged raven]

Uh, I have no idea then :(

Hmm it is too far away from the world center in the carrier

[rough gyro]

pog

[winged raven]

it gets way better near the chimneys

[winged raven]

LETS GOO

[rough gyro]

try turning off world transforms?

[winged raven]

I literally see the sky when got hit

lol

[winged raven]

Nope that didn't help

[rough gyro]

aw

:(

[rapid spear]

[winged raven]

Do you have fp errors

:/

At least shaders are open, maybe we could at least make them simpler?

[rapid spear]

Guess I just had to restart the game

[winged raven]

Your trees are, raster?

[rapid spear]

Nope

[winged raven]

Also why enabling view model makes terrain texture work

[rapid spear]

I think I didn't set my visuals to low

[winged raven]

@oak jay Xoxor4d did the same treatment for Battlefield 2 as well!
We have some annoying fp precision errors. Since some of the shader code is in plain text format, could we fix this issue? What exactly causes this issue with remix, and what we should be looking for in the shader code?

Ah I updated remix, now I can't use mouse :/

[oak jay]

Well generally floating point can start having problems as numbers get larger.

[winged raven]

Yes but why this happens with remix exactly I was wondering

[oak jay]

if the origin of the map (the 0,0,0 point) is off in 1 corner, redoing the map with it at the center could help

I'm not sure precisely, but I suspect we just do a lot more floating point math on the vertex positions than old raster games had to, which means floating point error creeps in at smaller numbers

(and the advice about redoing the map would only help if 1 corner of the map is stable and the opposite corner is unstable

[winged raven]

Is there anything we could accomplish by modifying shaders? I don't think we can get rid of them entirely, but anything that could help?

[oak jay]

I don't think so, but I wouldnt' be able to say for sure without actually diving in to the data the game is sending to see where the big numbers actually are

[winged raven]

Got it, thank you for your time :)

[winged raven]

Now I get why it's so severe

The maps are so big

by numbers

[granite panther]

how the hell did xorxor do this 😛

[winged raven]

My camera would orbit the earth 2 times with this speed in any other game

[granite panther]

i wish i had his skills

[granite panther]

damn

[winged raven]

He said same it's the thing with cod mw, he passes camera matrices through fixed function pl if I get it right

[granite panther]

hm

what method does he use for this?

[winged raven]

fp errors are so bad

[winged raven]

I have no idea ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Adam found this

It gives access to the master class as far as I understand

[granite panther]

ah, cool

i'm making progress with my RE knowledge. hopefully one day i can actually apply it enough to fix an entire game for Remix

[winged raven]

Commander view

Bad news, add light to texture doesn't work so are replacement mesh / lights

xoxor pls fix :)

[thin vector]

WHAT THE FUCK

let's fucking go man

Xoxor4d is a genius

https://tenor.com/view/happy-tears-gif-25605273

[granite panther]

does this game have major denoiser issues?

i noticed that BeamNG also has the absolutely huge maps in it, and was wondering if FP issues were causing the denoiser instability

[quick kelp]

Didnt see any noise iirc

Cod also has some fp issues but I could usually fix that by increasing the near plane from ~1 to 50 or so

[thin vector]

i think yes

fuzzy shadow details

[granite panther]

seizure warning

this is how BeamNG looks. turning off certain GI and denoiser settings fixes a large portion of it

[quick kelp]

Yea no that’s not a thing in bf2 🫣

[thin vector]

oh god 😅

its like static noise from TV

[granite panther]

yeah... it's pretty terrible

[dusky pond]

Is that RTX remix or reshade?

[thin vector]

RTX Remix

[thin vector]

can someone write down all the issues we have now?

i see we have a custom .exe file to run this. But we need a sort of patch file (like chess titans) to edit the exe using programs like x64dbg if possible

so that it'll be easier to run on normal game install

also update this plz

[winged raven]

• Wild floating point precision errors. Likely caused by huge maps (by numbers). It is so severe for dynamic objects, sometimes you can't even see them.
• Things lose their material seemingly randomly.
• Sampling and denoising issues, it is even worse with RTXDI enabled, likely caused by fp errors.

[winged raven]

@granite panther I put them them to the first post, can you pin that instead

[granite panther]

when did that get unpinned?

weird. i swear just saw it there yesterday

[winged raven]

Can we add images when editing a post

[granite panther]

through links only afaik

they do show up on the preview in the main channel

[winged raven]

Any image hosting service you would prefer?

[granite panther]

discord works, doesn't have to be external

[winged raven]

Oh I get it

[granite panther]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1103606881538277386/1201647775125880842/resim.png

doing that should work

ohhh. you might have disabled all embeds for the original post...

if you did that, it'll never show

[winged raven]

Uh do I know what I am doing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[granite panther]

just posting the link to the image directly should have it embed, so that means you probably disabled embeds on the post

if it doesn't embed, it won't show up as the thumbnail for the thread

[winged raven]

I probably once added an image with the texture list, thought it would mislead, removed

[granite panther]

maybe 😦

they very much need custom thread settings

both COD2 and BF2 will suffer the same fate it seems

[winged raven]

should I put an ascii art 😛

[granite panther]

lmao, sure

lol

[winged raven]

It exceeds the limit

[granite panther]

yeah 😦

[winged raven]

thats a nice one

Map center isderived from 64 player version, so even the smallest maps are very bad

xoxor4d how promising is it you think? Does it look possible to port this to fixed function?

[granite panther]

do you have nitro?

[winged raven]

no

I will just link an image

[granite panther]

well here, just for fun. this fits within the 4k limit of nitro

[winged raven]

So you do, can you edit my message with a higher limit?

[granite panther]

i only have Nitro basic, which is 2k still 😦

and i can't edit messages like that

[thin vector]

LMFAO

ASCII tracing

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-howard-bj-novak-taking-notes-noted-the-office-gif-21242726

[winged raven]

Oh now we have Unplayable tag

[winged raven]

There are, but nowhere near as severe as beamng.

[thin vector]

this status key is confusing

sounds close to remix incompatibility without context

it barely works now compared to nothing

[winged raven]

It matches

[quick kelp]

I’d have to find the correct functions for that and reverse some of the structures .. might be doable

[winged raven]

After playing about 40 minutes, I can confirm that real life has floating point precision errors too

[thin vector]

are you sure its not your eyes?

what did mark suggest about FP errors

how do we solve them

[winged raven]

huh

[winged raven]

#1103606881538277386 message

[winged raven]

Apparently, we don't ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[winged raven]

FuShe Pass 16 map is somewhat playable btw

[thin vector]

can you should video or screenshots

Of it being stable?

currently there's just too much fp errors to make out what's going on lol

[winged raven]

I mean it is less wobbly, you can actually make out vehicles and such

[thin vector]

ah ok nice

[winged raven]

Do you want a video ?

[thin vector]

yes

[winged raven]

Got 20 minutes of mlg gameplay

now wait an hour for hd processing

[thin vector]

youtube?

[winged raven]

Ah great, I cant process videos longer than 15

[winged raven]

https://youtu.be/ofMfQ70DEw0

unlisted

First 10 seconds is 360p for some reason

[thin vector]

it will take time to process the 1080p footage

[winged raven]

It did, only first 10 seconds

the rest is 1080p

[thin vector]

true battlefield experience

[winged raven]

dum dum dum dum dum dum

It is slightly modded btw, mainly kits and some weapon stats

also wrecks stay

[thin vector]

https://tenor.com/view/mine-battlefield2-gif-26146314

[quick kelp]

@winged raven wobble is "fixed"

[granite panther]

what did you change?

[quick kelp]

its the same fix that fixes the wobble in call of duty games (when stuff is rendered with shaders) -> adjusting the near plane

console command renderer.tweakNearPlane set to 4 in this case here

cant see the default value but setting it to a value of 0.1 results in wobble

You need higher and higher values for the nearPlane the further you are away from the map center
That wobble doesnt happen (no need to tweak the near plane) if its rendered using fixed function (that was the case for cod at least)

😂

[rapid spear]

Bit of wobble

[winged raven]

I can't view anything:
This content is no longer available.

Huh, can't send images either :/

@quick kelp Can you link an imgurl or something? Discord is broken for me for some reason

Someone please help me

I need to see this

[quick kelp]

odd, #1103606881538277386 message

aaaa

[winged raven]

I get this error This content is no longer available.

[quick kelp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103606881538277386/1202694254313476216/2024-02-01_20-16-29.mp4?ex=65ce634f&is=65bbee4f&hm=8e569e7473fa15ffa283d84bfa9b67c10b754768242994fca97a03176f1685ee&

[winged raven]

Same

[quick kelp]

ill up it to drive then

[winged raven]

Da hell is going on with my Discord

Oh IDA Pro has rich presence lol

[quick kelp]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eDrYpElOzG5v_4fq74J_XKqPnWhcETcc/view?usp=sharing

[winged raven]

Do you see my images btw

[quick kelp]

Thats an addon 😜

[quick kelp]

which images?

[winged raven]

That means no :D

[quick kelp]

lmao

[winged raven]

This is impressive

So the issue was that near plane was too close?

[quick kelp]

i've unlocked the console so you can use any commands now

[winged raven]

In game commands?

[quick kelp]

yup seems to be around 0.01 or so

[winged raven]

Can I add this piece of information in https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1172073053182754876

[quick kelp]

sure might help in other games as well (if there is an option to change the nearplane)

[winged raven]

Can I get the new exe :)

[quick kelp]

oh nothing that is compiled yet. Was just changing stuff with cheatengine

need to implementing and rewrite a few things in the base I'm using to actually do that with the dll

[winged raven]

Whats the offset

[quick kelp]

// 0x69FD00 -> 0xEB
// 0x69FD18 -> 0xEB

[winged raven]

It works better than Vietnam does now

still a bit wobbly in larger maps, but can adjust it real time

[thin vector]

Any idea what is this?

Random terrain flickering

Messes up the denoiser

[winged raven]

Some maps are really bad, like Dragon Valley. the center is far away from the combat zone

[winged raven]

Terrain hashes constantly change, might be the reason

[thin vector]

What about road to jalalabad

Or wake island

[winged raven]

I don't remember that map 🤔

I recall the name but

oh okay that one

[thin vector]

https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Road_to_Jalalabad

[winged raven]

not very good

[thin vector]

[winged raven]

I think the center is somewhere around the US base

in the 32 size version

I don't wanna see wake island without replacing the water ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thin vector]

Understandable

What about light replacements

Are they working

?

[winged raven]

No, transforms are broken I guess

Also I don't remember seeing any lights

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Actually

[thin vector]

Good point

[winged raven]

I think mine isn't working

@quick kelp Is this correct

Finally, files are working again

[quick kelp]

looks good, should look like this in the disassembly view

both jne jumps should be jmp jumps now

that unlocks the console, then you obv. need to open the console and type renderer.tweakNearPlane 4

[winged raven]

Oh I thought this was for the values

[quick kelp]

oh sorry for not mentioning that

note: setting First N untextured drawcalls to anything above 100 or so fixes the white terrain flicker

[winged raven]

Doesn't it remove the materialless stuff

like buildings

[quick kelp]

nope

[winged raven]

I get unrecognized method error :/

[quick kelp]

that console is a pain to use .. make sure you have no space in front

its really annoying.. had to type the same thing multiple times to get it to recognize the command 😂

[winged raven]

ask me

[quick kelp]

huH

[thin vector]

Garbled and smeared

[winged raven]

I think it might be caused by dxwrapper's borderless fullscreen feature

gotta turn it off

[winged raven]

still nope :/

[quick kelp]

well but it now recognizes the command

open that up in disassembly view

oh

also

why bf2.exe + the offset

that is wrong 😜

[winged raven]

Yep they are both jmp

[winged raven]

huh

how

I mean isn't it unique to prefetch otherwise?

[quick kelp]

no no these are static offsets that dont change their location in memory

so just add the offsets without bf2.exe + ..

[winged raven]

Ohh

IT WORKED

[quick kelp]

you can also press Ctrl + G in the disassembly view to go to an adress, paste 0x69FD00 and double click the jne instruction. Then change it to jmp

[winged raven]

So in 1337 syntax, how do I represent htis

I simply remove the first line?

[quick kelp]

what is this?

[winged raven]

1337 patch file

[quick kelp]

uhh .. no clue Im not using x64dbg 😄

[winged raven]

I made a dll to patch things at runtime, but I think I don't handle the case where it is empty :/

Can get far plane closer instead?

[quick kelp]

if you need the base offset you can also look into the disassembly view (first column)

[winged raven]

Oh that would work

[quick kelp]

not sure if a command exists for that but the game might also use infinite projection so that wouldnt change anything then

it would just limit the draw distance

depends on the implementation tho

[winged raven]

yea, I could hide it with a smoke machine :D

But it is really good

Thanks for the hard work ❤️

It looks totally okay with lower values like 1 - 2, in smaller maps

I think we can put this command into a con file to get it executed automatically

@quick kelp You can put that command in mods\bf2\GameLogicInit.con

sv.numPlayersNeededToStart 0

sv.manDownTime 0
sv.spawnTime 0

renderer.tweakNearPlane 4

Remix anticulling for point blank objects :D

Okay don't try it

It literally jumped from unplayable to partially playable with this update

[quick kelp]

man this game is really .... hard to work with

its really hard to track where commands are used within the code so there is no easy way to navigate and use these as hints

and everything is a class member of another class with a lot of vtables

[winged raven]

oop hell

Do we have a PR developer in the server 🤔
https://discord.gg/PdjGGZPU
there are some devs active, not sure if they do re tho

[quick kelp]

and because most functions are thiscalls (x86 calling convention), they clean up the stack ... meaning I cant simply nop them to see what they might render

because the game will instantly crash

[winged raven]

:/

[quick kelp]

🤷‍♀️

I'll finish my work on cod first I think 🫣

[winged raven]

Thank you for your amazing hard work ❤️ This game was hopeless just 2 days ago.

[thin vector]

i mean its honestly a miracle this works

https://tenor.com/view/new-amsterdam-lauren-bloom-maybe-it-was-divine-intervention-divine-intervention-janet-montgomery-gif-11222331833474733284

[winged raven]

Should we mark it as Partially Playable now

[thin vector]

can we load in high resolution textures?

or is it all lowspec for now

[winged raven]

you mean in game? haven't tried yet

[thin vector]

yes, current one looks like someone smeared play doh on the ground, is there a way to force high quaility textures

[winged raven]

I can try few minutes later, gotta edit the first post

I intentionally set it to low

Because apparently some games aren't so good at labeling what settings do

[winged raven]

https://github.com/jmacd/xdelta-gpl
Okay I can create a patch by comparing two executables with this

And I can upload the patch without an issue I guess

https://github.com/marco-calautti/DeltaPatcher
And someone made a nice gui for patching

for this format

Hey @quick kelp, because we can't upload the patched exe for obvious reasons 😛, I used this tool to create a patch by the difference of yours and the original one

If you can export the patch as 1337 it woul be easier tho

[quick kelp]

I'll create a dll that gets auto-loaded that does not need the "patched" exe or we use asiloader

[winged raven]

Isn't that asi == dll

[quick kelp]

the exe was edited to simply load the dll .. nothing more

yea

[winged raven]

Oh so you modified the dll, not the exe?

which one is it

hudfix

[quick kelp]

yea

currently based on this https://github.com/marekzajac97/BF2-HUD-fix/blob/master/hudfix/dllmain.cpp

I'll rewrite this today and up it to github so that the source is available and it auto builds on github

[winged raven]

If this thing can be done by a simple 1337 patch, we can use ultimate asi loader with the runtime patching asi

[quick kelp]

why the 1337 patch then tho

[winged raven]

Because then you don't have to write bf2 a specific dll ¯_(ツ)_/¯

If that will help a little

[quick kelp]

I have to because I need to do at least 1 hook with custom code that sets the camera data

[winged raven]

Oh okay

So you will create a fork of hudfix or an asi mod

[quick kelp]

I'll write my own little base that produces a dll -> rename that to asi -> can be loaded by an asi loader (hopefully)

[winged raven]

Thank you again :)

[thin vector]

is it good? if some part of the game can be played properly then yes

[winged raven]

No view model, broken materials on buildings, performance issues from shader capture, you cant go back to main menu after loading a level

[thin vector]

lets just keep it as unplayable

[winged raven]

This is more of a gray area

High textures

Like too high, that I need more social credits to see them

[winged raven]

I am having so much fun

[thin vector]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-hczne-gif-20831523

[winged raven]

I don't know how to react

Get your dream setup soon 🙏

[thin vector]

high textures made the ground invisible? maybe pixel shaders are involved here?

[winged raven]

Likely

I can stream if you wish btw

[thin vector]

sure

[quick kelp]

@winged raven

[winged raven]

marked as ui?

I didn't worked for me 🤔

[quick kelp]

I think I did for the lense yea

[winged raven]

You can mark particle atlas as ui too but it messes up with the overall scene sometimes

[quick kelp]

kinda inconsistent tho .. flickers sometimes

[winged raven]

yea

Particles are broken, and they don't get affected by any tag but UI

They rendered as ui anyway I guess

Huh, renderer.allowOnDemandPostProcessing 0 brokes the game

like it doesn't render anymore

[thin vector]

Sorry my internet went out

Couldn't see stream

[thin vector]

Is the view model path traced or rasterized?

[quick kelp]

raster

0.04100000113 is the default value of the nearplane cvar

[winged raven]

there it is! the viewmodel

[thin vector]

Anyway it could work?

[winged raven]

renderer.tweakFarPlane1p 0

[thin vector]

Damn

Bro has his weapon on the moon

[winged raven]

renderer.tvEnabled 0 doesn't fix the tv missile tho

I once had it working all fine

but not anymore

this could be useful renderer.setQualityLodDistanceALL int float -> void

[quick kelp]

with tweaknearplane1p at 1 and tweakfarplane1p at 1000

near 1 and 600 far seems to be a good range (the gun stays where it should) but with some floating point issues

[winged raven]

:/

[quick kelp]

reduce the non 1p nearplane

to 1

[winged raven]

Ohh

even got 3d scope :D

[quick kelp]

lmao

[winged raven]

Add renderer.drawPostProduction 0

fixes the issue with postfx messing up with camera

Why renderer.drawSunFlare 0 do this lol

renderer.drawUndergrowth 0 disable grass (kills my performance)

renderer.enableHWOcclusion 0 to crash the game

[winged raven]

Also fixes the tv camera

lol

renderer.forceStaticMeshSkipLod -1 to disable lod for buildings

renderer.qualityLodEnabled 1

I think disabling postfx fixed wrecks too

[thin vector]

Woah

[winged raven]

Cant find how to force lod on trees tho

Oh they still broke when you get close

[thin vector]

Does it wobble?

[winged raven]

No the material

I think this is the correct one, wrecks are not colored in bf2 (most)

but it is annoying

and stupid

[thin vector]

They are grey I think

[winged raven]

At least we have tv cam working

[winged raven]

@thin vector High texture and mesh quality works fine actually

[winged raven]

Turns out I set the terrain to high instead (was doing it from memory)

The camera is actually behind the transparent cover lol

[thin vector]

I love this

Trees look any better with high texture quality

[winged raven]

yes they do

[thin vector]

I like that the cockpit has translucent properties

[winged raven]

Gotta replace them and the water

[thin vector]

Also any idea why replacements aren't working? Unstable hash?

Or the captures aren't correct

[winged raven]

No hashes are stable, I think its a similar issue with barnyard and others

[thin vector]

mhmm what's the issue then

[winged raven]

unlike them, I don't see anything in my head either

[winged raven]

broken transforms

[thin vector]

Gonna need someone to get a capture and see what it looks like in toolkit

[quick kelp]

replacements as in mesh replacements?
Should generally work but if its an instanced mesh, it will hide all instances of the model and only show the one that was placed in the toolkit iirc (that was the behavior in cod4)

[winged raven]

Huh you got them working?

they don't work for me

[quick kelp]

no havnt tried with this game yet

just found a server? build of bad company 2 that comes with debugging symbols ... might help with a few structs and understanding of the games layout

[winged raven]

bad company 2 is an entirely different engine

BF2142, BF Hereos, BF Play 4 Free are refactor 2

BF 1942 is refactor 1

[winged raven]

bad company and later is frostbite

oh no

[quick kelp]

some of the general layout is still the same tho (like their command system)

can you modify the terrain shaders?

[thin vector]

isn't the frostbite engine vastly different from refractor 2?

[quick kelp]

could say the same about cod4 -> newest cod. Vastly different but some core principles are still the same

[thin vector]

This isnt good 🙁

[thin vector]

I'll have to look if they made the engine from scratch or used refractor 2 as it's basis and kept adding on it

[winged raven]

me? no I cant 😦

But they are plain text

[thin vector]

Terrain uses pixel shader 1.4

That's all I know 🙂

[quick kelp]

so its possible without any code tweaks?

[winged raven]

Inside shaders_client.zip

[thin vector]

I see trail.fx

What's it for?

[winged raven]

missile trails

[thin vector]

What's this then

[winged raven]

?

vehicle damaged trail

[thin vector]

totally forgot

How about Flares? Do they look normal?

[winged raven]

In the same particle atlas, no unless marked as ui

[thin vector]

Seems like everything needs to be set as UI like those particles fx

[winged raven]

This one is not from that atlas

[winged raven]

you can nullify pixel shader compilation in those files but then they won't have any material

[thin vector]

yeah well that's because you don't have any access to the data now if you nullify shaders

Needs another way to get the data

[winged raven]

I can't seem to replace water :/

Something with th look changes when I toggle materials, but thats it

Actually they are absent from the captured textures

Ohh

the ones with no thumbnail

[winged raven]

And a lot others missing to

[thin vector]

Seems like it's only capturing terrain textures + weapons + playermodels

No building atlas or anything

[winged raven]

no buildings

but particle atlas is there

and vehicles, flags

ui atlas too

Lets see if we can replace the canopy on ah1z, it is present in textures folder so

[thin vector]

Is this the z1 viper?

[winged raven]

no

viper is in battlefield 4

[thin vector]

ah it's just ah-1z

[winged raven]

looks weird tho I need to mark it thinwalled

[thin vector]

It's reflective but maybe normals are not inverted?

[winged raven]

bot stole my heli lol

[thin vector]

Take the birdie down

[winged raven]

yea normals are broken :/

[thin vector]

yeah that needs a model replacement

[quick kelp]

Nah that would be fine if rendered with fixed function 😜

[thin vector]

but reflections won't look nice on the canopy

[winged raven]

Normals would be fine with fixed function he is saying

[quick kelp]

Same issue as in cod. They probably packed the normal

[winged raven]

Man I can't believe, this evolved from black screen to reasonably playable and personally fun experience in just 2 days

[winged raven]

This map is so big that even with near plane set to 4 it freaks more that vanilla bf2 did

[winged raven]

Huh, water replacement works if I mark world stuff as ui

Ohh no its not that

[quick kelp]

uuh any idea why I cant move my mouse ingame to select a spawnpoint or something?
All I've did was run bf2_r once

[winged raven]

Delete your profile files

from documents

I think it is messes up because it is ran as admin?

Do someone has USD composer still installed

[quick kelp]

I do

[winged raven]

Is this a valid usda

Oh it is working now

I just needed to restart it

weird

Anyway, I think I messed up the usda syntax at my first attempt

Is this better

[quick kelp]

yea the usda you send doesnt show in cpmposer

[winged raven]

huh

It works after a restart tho

[quick kelp]

🤷‍♀️

[winged raven]

If the error is about materials, thats fine. I don't have them either.

[quick kelp]

he found the func that renders terrain

[winged raven]

Who is he

[thin vector]

he is who found the func

[winged raven]

I am confused

[thin vector]

probably some guy in refractor 2 modding server

[quick kelp]

sorry missed another h

heh

[winged raven]

3rd person expression_

[quick kelp]

[winged raven]

lol

My brain couldn't autocomplete that to heh :D

[thin vector]

honestly amazing this works

[winged raven]

It probably was from the beginning, I use a text editor so I probably messed it up

at first try

Now Wake Island time

Uh the same problem as bf1942

[thin vector]

oh boy

[winged raven]

There is no terrain mesh below the deep water -which makes sense- so it is technically infinitely deep

so it is colored exactly as transmittance_color

practically ignoring transmittance_measurement_distance

[thin vector]

can you increase draw distance? seems like loads tiles or chunks

[winged raven]

Not sure

Should search online

[thin vector]

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/920407-battlefield-2/41659214

[winged raven]

Too blue

[thin vector]

the original game do be like that

[winged raven]

It looks like pen ink

[thin vector]

you should follow this

[winged raven]

great find thanks

[winged raven]

They talk about removing the fog which is not present with remix to begin with

[thin vector]

hmm

strike at karkand had this brown duststorm like fog

can we add that?

remix does have volumetric fog

[winged raven]

I cant get it work properly

likely messing up parameters

[winged raven]

Can you link the website

[thin vector]

https://www.color-hex.com/color-palette/6928

https://www.color-hex.com/color-palette/19814

[winged raven]

excellent

not so excellent

I can adjust the transmittance distance to get the look I want on shallow water

since it wont affect the deep water (because there is no terrain mesh beneath)

it will always pick the exact color I enter

[winged raven]

@thin vector You know what, this is the best result I got so far

You are definetely better than me at finding stuff :D

[thin vector]

im happy with what you achieved

looks amazing with remix

[winged raven]

*we ☭

OUR achievement

comrade

[thin vector]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-sad-frown-shrek-chris-rock-gif-13753226254930334370

now the question is

will this work with PR

😮

[winged raven]

I wonder where this purple coming from

noise

normals are too strong I think

Whats going on here

Oh okay I just needed to set this wayy to high

150 seems fine
It was not

it was 101 before

[thin vector]

It's partially playable

[winged raven]

Yea we should open an issue in https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1199033356571123853

*request

[thin vector]

Hmm

I'll wait for the view model to work too

[thin vector]

Let's make a couple of screenshots and post them in #showcase (WIP)

[granite panther]

looks good 🙂

[glossy merlin]

hey, just read that you found a few useful parameters here. Is there a way to set them as part of the config?

nice find 😉 👍

[winged raven]

yes GameLogicInit.con

[winged raven]

xoxor patched the game, otherwise you cant use them

[glossy merlin]

Thank you, I'm going to try these settings for the game I'm modding, Battlefront 2 OG

[winged raven]

Uh you need the patch

[glossy merlin]

I'm modding a different game

I thought your commands were for remix

[winged raven]

Uh lol

I read it as Battlefield 2

OG as your mod name

[winged raven]

No they are not :/

[glossy merlin]

ah ok, sorry for the mixup

[winged raven]

All fine

[glossy merlin]

LODs and mesh popping are really bad in that game too

just trying to see if there's a way to make it more stable

[winged raven]

Yea remix cant do anything about that unless you anchor a new mesh to every single lod level of every lod mesh

[glossy merlin]

So I've heard, that's a pretty annoying way of doing it am I right? 😅

[winged raven]

Yea, as a last resort

[glossy merlin]

Have you done that? don't both meshes (high and low res) look overlapped?

If there's two of the same model

[winged raven]

You can tell remix to hide the original mesh when you anchor it a new one

[glossy merlin]

Oh if you don't mind could you tell me how? or show me a screenshot

I really don't know how one could do that, I use Omniverse interface...do you as well?

[winged raven]

I don't know if it is exposed in the toolkit, if not:

over "mesh_AB48F4EEC700DC95"
{
    custom int preserveOriginalDrawCall = 0
}

But this should really be the last resort

as it requires too much effort

[glossy merlin]

I'm going to look into it thanks man

[quick kelp]

@winged raven did you figure out good values for the 1p near and farplane or are your viewmodels wobbly

[winged raven]

Found where the chess board was

[winged raven]

Uh no sorry

[quick kelp]

alright just wanted to make sure

[winged raven]

for what

The coolest chopper in the game in the fan favorite map, combined with the best lightning this game ever seen

[quick kelp]

for the gamelogicinit I'll add to the repo

renderer.forceStaticMeshSkipLod -1
renderer.qualityLodEnabled 1
renderer.tweakNearPlane 3
renderer.tweakNearPlane1p 1
renderer.tweakFarPlane1p 600
renderer.drawPostProduction 0

[winged raven]

Here the water mod btw

[quick kelp]

@winged raven https://github.com/xoxor4d/bf2-rtx

[winged raven]

Now I don't need the hudfix do I

[quick kelp]

nope - stock bf2 exe and no hud dll

[winged raven]

Beep

[quick kelp]

scary beep

[thin vector]

Boop

Bop

[winged raven]

Btw skinned meshes are done on the gpu

Interesting thing I found, those effects also work if you align it with the sky

It is not marked as ui right now

[winged raven]

lol

[quick kelp]

lmao

[winged raven]

@granite panther

This is default viewport with the largest map refractor can handle (I believe)

This is with nearplane set to 4

[granite panther]

ouch indeed

[winged raven]

this map looks cool with proper water
because it is literally just an ocean

[thin vector]

please test strike at karkand 16 player map

its small so might be stable

[winged raven]

This is the biggest map you can go with yet it is totally playable

[thin vector]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-gawd-yikes-michael-scott-cringe-the-office-gif-14794600

[winged raven]

You just need to take off and land at 3rd person

Also jets don't disappear up to 6.2

Which is slightly more stable

This is a naval combat map

[thin vector]

hmm, so we can replace materials but not add lights?

[winged raven]

only materials

[thin vector]

That's good enough for me then

[winged raven]

I want lights so badly

there is loads of culling related commands, lets see if I can disable culling

[quick kelp]

works for me (dont mind the translucent gun :D)

added a light to my weapon .. well its stationary and doesnt move with the gun but it works

and disappeares when I switch the gun

adding to world geo seems to work as well but culling is definitely a problem

[winged raven]

huh

how

Also how you fixed the view model

I want answers!!

terrainCuller.cullerType int -> int

seems 1-6

None of them stops the culling

3 by default

[quick kelp]

Nearplane 1
Nearplane1p 1
Farplane1p 610

[winged raven]

How you added the light

[quick kelp]

selected the viewmodel and added a light to it 😄

selected the rolling door of the building (pink light) and added a light 😄

[winged raven]

that doesnt seem to work for me :/

[quick kelp]

im rocking world in fused world view

and 300 in unique obj search distance (no clue what that does tbh)

[winged raven]

still nothing :/

[winged raven]

If something moves more than the value in a single frame, it is considered a different object

[quick kelp]

huh

[winged raven]

It does not account for scene scale

[winged raven]

I heard from Uncle Buritto

[winged raven]

None always behaves like world view in my experience

[winged raven]

Oh you added by toolkit?

How toolkit worked for you

[quick kelp]

what .. doesnt that work for you?

[winged raven]

there is only terrain, and few chunks

[quick kelp]

I dont have any terrain at all lmao

[winged raven]

huh

whats going on here :/

Your nearplane settings made my game a slideshow for some odd reason

[quick kelp]

huh thats odd

[winged raven]

but lights are there

It took me 30 seconds to get this menu
it is that slideshow

[quick kelp]

do you have the toolkit open by any chance?

[winged raven]

nope

I probably messed up something

it is both

It is "meshes"

since you attach the light to a mesh

[quick kelp]

yea .. but why is your game such a mess with lights enabled

[winged raven]

which part

lack of sky?

[thin vector]

Oh my

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocking-omg-wow-oh-gif-11964603

[winged raven]

Huh it is magically fixed

[quick kelp]

[thin vector]

Wait, when did we get the viewmodel working

[quick kelp]

your gun isnt glass tho

[winged raven]

I picked lights only

[quick kelp]

aaah alr

[winged raven]

I just disabled enhanced meshes before adjusting nearplane

instead of putting into the gamelogicinit

[quick kelp]

yesterday or so

[thin vector]

I'm pretty sure his gun isn't a gun either, it's an unstable uranium isotope material

All wobbly

@quick kelp can you pick up projectile hash?

Wonder if we can attach a light to it

[winged raven]

oh

[thin vector]

It's picking up view model transforms?

[winged raven]

I have some random vertex explosions going on

lol

how the menu got affected

[quick kelp]

mhh even if .. not sure if remix can get the actual transforms tho

[quick kelp]

had that too once

[thin vector]

Menu working (barely)

[winged raven]

Add light to texture still doesn't work

[winged raven]

It already does before getting in a level

just not after

[thin vector]

Wait I forgot

Yeah it does

[winged raven]

Fonts are not rendered

in menu

[thin vector]

I think we talked about changing the flash menus to more modern stuff?

Will that help?

[winged raven]

How you think that will work

[thin vector]

Maybe

I'll take a look

[quick kelp]

also having these bad framerate issues at certain spots

[thin vector]

@winged raven i found something that might help

https://classic-battlefield-modding.fandom.com/wiki/How_To_Modify_The_BF2_Flash_Menu

[winged raven]

modify

it is still flash

I think our best bet would be to do something with dear imgui

I found some console commands that the ui seems to be calling

[winged raven]

Uh cant disable culling :/

terrain culling*

Found how to disable the sun flare tho: skyDome.flareFadeMul 0
renderer.drawSunFlare 0 is bugged

@quick kelp https://dl.mumble.info/symbols/bf2.pdb/

[thin vector]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-steve-carrell-what-the-hell-is-happening-confused-gif-16458249

[winged raven]

They look like sha 1

[thin vector]

WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS!? 💀

[winged raven]

Uh, my bf2.exe 's sha1 is not there

And it downloads bf2.pd_

[winged raven]

I am here for bf2

[thin vector]

this will land us in jail

[winged raven]

Ohh it is just a zip file

with this inside

772kb isn't it too small?

When I compile something, generally the generated pdb is ~30 times larger than the binary

[thin vector]

jesus christ

wonder if its helpful

[winged raven]

How do we confirm if these are legit

[thin vector]

these were uploaded in 2020

[quick kelp]

nothing of interest

[winged raven]

Why exactly

[quick kelp]

thats related to some audio engine and most certainly some "plugins" for that

[rapid spear]

Need them renddx9.DLL(?) symbols

[winged raven]

I searched for that as well, found nothing :/ I am not particularly good at googling tho

[rough gyro]

that gmod one

need

[thin vector]

2142 might work now

[winged raven]

huh

I set lightning to high and enabled dynamic lights with the hope that it will create lights that remix can capture, this is what I got

[quick kelp]

remix can only capture fixed function lights. Lights in shader based games are not handled this way so there is nothing to pick up 😦

[thin vector]

https://www.moddb.com/games/battlefield-2/downloads/battlefield-2-editor-v13

[winged raven]

What are we supposed to do with it

I remember trying to get it up and running couple times, and I did. It sucks and I don't think it will help much

[thin vector]

nothing im just finding stuff

someone must have thought of getting rid of the flash player

in some old god forsaken forum

[winged raven]

Even Project Reality, the most advanced bf2 "mod" still uses the flash menu :/

[thin vector]

does 1942 use flash player for menu?

[winged raven]

I don't think so

not 100% sure

[winged raven]

particleSystemManager.particleSystemShaderQuality 0 disables the broken particles all together
Edit: Interestingly it doesn't work for the ah1z autocannon
Edit2: It doesn't work for most, but does eliminate the booster effect from the hydra rockets

[thin vector]

nice

no more damage trail i suppose

[winged raven]

that one was not shader based, but still broken

This one is the muzzle flashes and such

shadermanager.byPassDiceStates 1

I have no idea what this does

but it flickers like crazy

[thin vector]

tf why is everything pixelated

[winged raven]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thin vector]

didn't xoxor4d fix that?

[winged raven]

Updated

[thin vector]

now that i have modDB access i can update that as well

[thin vector]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/heat-of-battle2/downloads/heat-of-battle-standalone

Would this work?

Standalone mod

ugh it has reshade 💀

[winged raven]

Not sure about this one but I seen couple mods migrating over the ps3 like PR

[winged raven]

No leaked debugging material :/

https://tcrf.net/Battlefield_2

[thin vector]

Never realized there was a cut Easter egg

[winged raven]

I asked in Refractor 2 Modding server if they know of any leaked debug symbols.

[thin vector]

Searched the internet for debugging symbols pdb

no results 😞

[thin vector]

Anything new regarding battlefield 2 remix?

[dusky pond]

2 options:

Solution 1 - Wait for someone with brain intelligence 100+ to make everyones day
Solution 2 - Pay or hire a programmer

[winged raven]

Option 3: Wait for xoxor4d to done cod4-5 first

[thin vector]

xoxor4d already did that

from remix incompatiblity to partially playable

[quick kelp]

But thats probably all that I'll do for this game 🫣
That engine very hard to analyze and the results of my testings with terrain drawing are

[winged raven]

I was thinking of tweaking nearplane on the fly by modding the game (I think it is possible with .con files, not tested tho) but I noticed that messing with near plane also changes hashes.

Unfortunately a value of 1 is not very viable for 32 and 64 sized maps.

[cold void]

hey I cant download the rtx mod

what do I do

how to download it

[thin vector]

click on it

then go down

just click it again and it will download

[cold void]

I cant click is this needs a git account

yes it needs a git acc

[quick kelp]

https://github.com/xoxor4d/bf2-rtx/releases/tag/0.1

[cold void]

no way, thanks

uhh...

[quick kelp]

expected behavior

[thin vector]

oh no you don't need to join the game like this