NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[cloud crypt]

then go sleep

[jade briar]

Ok

Just keep my idea in mind

[cloud crypt]

i will

[jade briar]

I'll remind you again anyways

[cloud crypt]

ah i see, you thought of smth like this

[ember river]

So we have 2 tasks labeled as 0.3.0-alpha, the bridges underside has been completed by hellraven. What are these other about? And do we have an estimate to finish them up?
@desert ridge @jade briar

[cloud crypt]

i have closed the issue now

i had forgot it XD

[cloud crypt]

made a new issue which is relevant for 0.3.0 release

[restive magnet]

Can you put a black gradient texture behind the city's background image, so that it won't stand out as much with that bright skydome?

[ember river]

Tbh, that sky isn't right. Its much brighter than it should be comparing to open world skybox

[restive magnet]

But is it possible to change brightness of the sky in the lobby without changing it in the game world?

Loving the new platform though

But maybe, just maybe

Brushed/pressed aluminium with puddle stains would look more fitting

[balmy chasm]

There's a chance I have placed a light source facing the window to balance out glowing and emissive values. Check this out in OV

[balmy chasm]

Nah, not possible. That's the point

[restive magnet]

Then maybe just a gradient png can be a solution

[restive magnet]

But is the camera in that menu separated from the gameplay camera? Sorry for this kind of question, it's just that i dont know how remix works and i assume that cameras here work like in blender or 3ds max and if this is the case, then solution will be to lower camera exposure and increase power of lights in this scene

[balmy chasm]

Adjusting exposure will affect entire scene

[restive magnet]

But only this scene or entire game?

[balmy chasm]

Entire game

[ember river]

Unless you create a new material and assign to that mesh with custom exposure

[balmy chasm]

Do you know by any chance how many types of billboards we have?

[ember river]

Sadly the runtime doesn't supports partial transparency quite well, only cutouts/alpha tested or actual translucent materials like glass, crystals, etc

[ember river]

You mean, the sky bg? Its a concave mesh sort of like a sky dome but just for the visible side

Rather than 360 degrees

[balmy chasm]

I mean these guys. We discussed what to put in place of them

[ember river]

Well, I have no idea how many, but should be less or equal to as many different garages the are

[ember river]

Ohh, actual real life billboards, not in game dev terms. Well, that I surely have no idea

[balmy chasm]

Cuz I got an idea for one :D

[ember river]

Maybe by parsing many captures one could link the mesh hashes to their materials and count

[balmy chasm]

🤔

[ember river]

Vanilla bollards

And trees that grow on the pavement, nothing out of the ordinary

[balmy chasm]

That's the best part of it

[desert ridge]

Tonight, I will share some updates on the replacement of buildings.

[balmy chasm]

Have you succeeded?

[desert ridge]

Whether it's deemed successful or not depends on how closely you examine the details. I enjoy adding numerous small details, so personally, I don't consider it highly detailed enough. However, compared to many game buildings that rely solely on textures for detail, I believe I have achieved better quality in terms of overall appearance.

[balmy chasm]

Oh, I meant the performance issues you experienced before. Have you achieved details with no performance hit?

[desert ridge]

I believe the previous performance issue was caused by handling too many instanced meshes at runtime. Even when loading the buildings in Omniverse, it takes some time to load all the instanced meshes. However, if it's a single mesh, there are no issues.

[restive magnet]

But how does the smoke work if it's partially translucent 🤔

[balmy chasm]

Albedo with Alpha channel

[restive magnet]

Won't the same technique work for that cityscape.png?

As for billboards i'd suggest just to remake them in 4k ultrahd 60 fps remastered quality as they are kinda iconic for some players

I can help with that at least

[vague sparrow]

Let's be honest

We're doing EA a favor with our work

[balmy chasm]

We have 4 types of Old Spice ads. Want them all tranfered into Remix?

[restive magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/terry-crews-power-shout-old-spice-pecs-gif-8856772

Ye, 4 is too much fo sure

[restive magnet]

Ads for in-game stuff?

Like for url racers or car manufacturers that are present

[balmy chasm]

As for in-game stuff we have a few: Burger King, Cingular, AutoZone, BestBuy

[restive magnet]

Nah, i mean actual in-game stuff

Stuff that doesn't exist in real world

[balmy chasm]

Is Cingular a thing?

[restive magnet]

Bestbuy was a thing

And bk still is

I can design boards with "welcome to bayview" or something like that

[balmy chasm]

Well, that's up on you to find where it is and which material HASH it has

[restive magnet]

Just gotta keep it consistent with early 2000's style

Ah

I see

Can't do much with my integrated graphics

[balmy chasm]

Can't launch Remix at all?

[jade briar]

Why is bro here

[balmy chasm]

Who?

[jade briar]

Guess

[balmy chasm]

?

[jade briar]

I don't think you understand

[balmy chasm]

That's why I ask

Billboard hash list (may be incomplete...)

Name matHASH imageRatio

Pontiac02 C9D6BEB590AF46D2 2:1
Pontiac01 1592C6B370904E8B 2:1
OldSpice04 47F5EAD70E701471 2:1
OldSpice03 E578FA80E3888FEF 2:1
OldSpice02 4C903EA92D359DDA 1:1
OldSpice01 1DB6E39506187AF9 2:1
Edge 1E900B3487493759 2:1
D3 FB47BCF02111043A 2:1
Cingular02 828F41755043FFED 1:1
Cingular01 8363C0886D47B716 2:1
Campbella 82338B1D57CC42E8 1:1
Burger02 60842DB773684ABB 2:1
BestBuy E7BF75A1EC6F5CF7 1:1
AutoZone02 CD0DF36F5240E173 2:1
AutoZone01 3B5CA5BD5A031F88 2:1

[desert ridge]

Currently, the smoke is using the AperturePBR_Opacity.mdl material, but for a realistic refraction effect, we need to use the AperturePBR_Translucent.mdl material. Unfortunately, this material doesn't support transparency textures at the moment, so the entire surface, including the transparent parts, is displayed.

[restive magnet]

Yep, only thing i can do is photoshop stuff. Just tryna be helpful

[balmy chasm]

Fine, just find some stuff you wish to remake and show on map where it is. We can find a hash when you prepare a replacement

[restive magnet]

That's great! I'll start when i get home

[cloud crypt]

You did, but the lights were faced in the wrong direction. I fixed that and added more of them

[balmy chasm]

Okay... I'm yet to choose which billboard to replace with it

[jade briar]

ahahaha

lol

Also

what the hell is

"UV's"

[balmy chasm]

We all use UV's instead of UVs

[jade briar]

Not me

Why

Because that sounds

stupid

[balmy chasm]

It is lower case friendly

[jade briar]

UVs

there you go

[balmy chasm]

uvs

[jade briar]

lower case friendly

no

but

UVs

is

better

[balmy chasm]

You can complain about that on the next billborad

[ember river]

Its stupid because it is an ad thing, I've seen ppl using 's like that quite a lot and got equally annoyed

[jade briar]

Another Alexlol gif

[vague sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/902979323504496662.png?size=256

[severe solstice]

[trail quail]

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

“UV Stretching? In my BlackBox game?! // It’s more common than you think.”

[tawny elk]

I couldn’t get proper exports from substance to work in OV so I’m going to redo the materials in marmoset since it exports out as a nice clean single texture instead like 20.

I might get the USDAs setup like how eman said while I retexture them and start placing them around to test

[balmy chasm]

I've been working with Substance Painter all this time. What's the issue?

[tawny elk]

Just how it exports all the texture maps and then the (exported) mesh doesn’t seem to have the right UVs or something.

[balmy chasm]

It happen sometimes when UVs don't cover 1001 UV space in certain spots. And no fix for this. But workaround can be adding a plane to the mesh which cover all the UV space. Though I didn't have a need to do so while working on lobbies. Just had to adjust UVs on 2 materials and that's all

[tawny elk]

Yea it’s happening on everything I export so not really vibing having to mess with UVs after spending a good amount of time getting the UVs right in the first place.

[balmy chasm]

You can search up for topics 'Dilation' and 'Padding'

[tawny elk]

As much as I’d like to spend time figuring it out, marmoset seems like it’ll work a bit smoother for me. I’ll try substance again once I need its material library.

[restive magnet]

ayo im working on a texture for airport billboard

just in case

[cloud crypt]

this how the scene currently looks (used free cam)

[cloud crypt]

any suggestions for changes or improvements?

[tawny elk]

The buildings seem a bit dark on the right

[ember cobalt]

🌗

[cloud crypt]

i reduced the brightness of the neons that normaly are there. Dont know why they arent shown, but neons shouldnt be as bright as this:

[tawny elk]

It’s not the neon it’s just in general

[cloud crypt]

ok, and why should it be bright there when where are no lights in the scene?

doesnt make any sense

even in the og game it isnt lit there

[tawny elk]

Was just a thought

[ember cobalt]

it just looks really drab now to be honest

in some places, imo it's okay to deviate a bit from the original. this would be one of them for me

[cloud crypt]

i am not mad, i am just wondering why you would want to add light there

i maybe can figure smth out which is not too bright and doesnt ruin the scene but ads a bit light over there

[desert ridge]

Consider adding spotlights (using basic 3-point lighting) on the front side, directing them towards the car to provide some additional illumination to the front.

[cloud crypt]

already have that

[tawny elk]

Yea that’s the challenge of lighting.

[cloud crypt]

made the ones on the sides facing the car

[ember river]

Hm... maybe the whole scene could use some back lighting, as there is nothing behind the camera. The dark buildings could be lit by a fake moon, city lights or something. Maybe you could replicate the cityscape png from the bg behind the camera to add some reflections and such

[cloud crypt]

i will get smth done

[tawny elk]

I can sketch up some comments when I get home and have my tablet for ya

[cloud crypt]

a "fake moon" is kinda a great idea

and since the sky is a bit bright i would make even more snese

[ember river]

thing is, the sky mesh is just a quarter side of a sphere, so it doesn't lights up the front face of the scene

[cloud crypt]

as i said ill get smth done

i see what you meant

still a bit bright, but getting somewhere

[desert ridge]

I believe the left side requires more lighting.

[cloud crypt]

why the left?

ah you meant the left of the right scene

[desert ridge]

Because it serves as the key light to highlight the subject, it's important to provide more lighting on the left side. Additionally, since the car has more reflective surfaces on the side, creating reflections on the car would be beneficial. The game showcases the right side of the car instead of the left side because the right side has a greater ability to reflect light from the key light source.

[tawny elk]

Ideally, you'd want the three point lighting to show off the curves of the car.

[desert ridge]

Exactly

[tawny elk]

If you switch to a glossy car it's a lot easier to see

[cloud crypt]

ok, let me coog guys, i will get it done

[cloud crypt]

thx for the example picture, it sure will help

ok, i think for now ive got done the moon light thing, now i will try to get 3 point lighting working

[cloud crypt]

like this? with the glossyness

[jade briar]

Where metal

this

[tawny elk]

Yea

Here's some notes on what I'm seeing

Here's a studio shot of an r34 for reference

[jade briar]

Here's a render made using the original cubemap used in the garages

Here's what it looks like

Just a big soft box

[cloud crypt]

currently going like this

PC crashed... seems my ram is broken

[cloud crypt]

smth like this?

[tawny elk]

Move the left light towards the camera so the front fender isn't dark

[cloud crypt]

how much?

[jade briar]

Until it isn't dark

[tawny elk]

Make it the length of the car and move it way closer

[cloud crypt]

but then i have this bright spot

maybe that way

[cloud crypt]

hm, i dont know, adjusted the lights now guite a bit

withouth the "softbox"

This how it would look with rachels car

@tawny elk sry for the Ping, but i need your opinion

[cloud crypt]

a "softbox" would be really noisy

but also would look awesome

[tawny elk]

A softbox is just a big rect light source?

[cloud crypt]

ive set it in " "

[tawny elk]

What's wrong with the softbox?

[cloud crypt]

wait a minute

[jade briar]

Have you tried?

[tawny elk]

I don't understand how you made a rect light source noisy..

[tawny elk]

1. Exposure should not be negative

[cloud crypt]

you had it set negative in all your lights

[tawny elk]

I don't remember ever setting things to negative exposure

[cloud crypt]

non the less, even with only the big rect light its extremely noisy

[tawny elk]

2. It's just a big rect light source.

[cloud crypt]

its not

[tawny elk]

Just one big rect light source, don't need 5

[tawny elk]

Just the big one

[cloud crypt]

still the same, noisy af

[tawny elk]

What's the output settings set at?

[cloud crypt]

Power 15000 and exposure -13.5

even with Power 10 and exposure 0.1 its noisy af

[tawny elk]

What about 10 and exposure of 1

[cloud crypt]

its overbright then, cant see shit

[tawny elk]

How about 1 and 1?

[cloud crypt]

the same noisyness

[tawny elk]

Copy one of the other rect light sources and make it the same as the big soft box and see if the noise persists

[cloud crypt]

it does, because they all were at the same levels

[tawny elk]

Is it only the car that's noisy?

[cloud crypt]

yes

[ember river]

It is almost as if the temporal denoising is gone

[cloud crypt]

maybe because the mesh has to less triangles... dont know

[jade briar]

Damn it looks so good tho

[cloud crypt]

yes it really does

used these settings to make cars shiny, didnt changed any material because when i do the car goes blackout

ok, ive setted all on DLSS Ultra Performance...
On DLSS Quality the Noise is not that aggressive
its still there but mainly on the hood and on dork objects (only car)

Ok, found why there are no red neons anymore: someone replaced the mesh... Now i have to search for it, thx... without the red/magenta neons this scene isnt complete and not ready for release 0.3.0

[jade briar]

Wonder if mark could solve the niose problem

Hey @zinc meteor Do you know why a large area lamp might cause tons of shimmering and noise?

[jade briar]

like this

[ember river]

Its in the 02011601_garageLobby.usda file, but their textures are weird

[cloud crypt]

yeah, found it, i am trying to lean how to create custom meshes now XD

[ember river]

• I recommend using blender from omniverse launcher, it has the best support for importing and exporting USD files.
• In OV, you can install the extension I created to work with remix: https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1146527055664652449
• Once installed, you should see a RTX Remix option on the right click context menu just like in the thread pics
• Select the mesh you want to replace, right click > RTX Remix > Setup for Mesh Replacement. A dialog will allow you to chose where to export the game mesh as a USD file (don't forget to have the correct authoring layer enabled)
• If you want to tottally replace the mesh, also delete the original "mesh" prim inside the "mesh_HASH" prim.
• Import that USD file in blender, edit, and once done, export as USD replacing the same file using this settings in the pic

I'll make a tutorial at any time (tm)

[cloud crypt]

thank you mate, helps a lot, also found a good guide on youtube on how to model

[cloud crypt]

old mesh

new mesh

[ember river]

Som thick neon tubes

[cloud crypt]

if you think of how its scaled ingame it could work

[ember river]

Cool, looking good

[cloud crypt]

well, i tried

[ember river]

Hmm yeah, still quite thick, and they need an emissive material.
In blender, you can scale them inwards along the normals by selecting everything and using Alt + S
For the materials, you should setup on OV

[cloud crypt]

but good thing, my first ever made mesh is working XD

[ember river]

I'll go to bed rn , if you get some trouble I can help yah tomorrow

[cloud crypt]

no problem, have to go bed now too

[balmy chasm]

Default Intensity and negative Exposure is my approach. I made just a few light with more custom numbers

[tawny elk]

I ended up reading up on the dilation stuff for substance and messing with that, but it just turns out the my UVs weren’t getting transferred when I converted to USD.

Or at least the ones in substance weren’t exporting right or something.

Anyway, I will have the generic light sources here within the few days. At least the basic ones.

[balmy chasm]

Painter can modify UVs?

[tawny elk]

I have no idea. I just know that every time I tried applying the exported textures it seemed to never line up with the UVs I had before. I think the key was that I started just converting everything to USD after decimating/cleaning up the mesh if needed.

[balmy chasm]

You can DM me if you ever need to investigate what the issue was

[tawny elk]

Will do later today when it inevitably happens again

[desert ridge]

Oh my goodness, when I tried to capture the progress of the building modeling, I realized that I had completely messed up the gaps between the bricks.

[tawny elk]

If ya need a reference for that type of construction lemme know, I have a building nearby that has that exact style

[zinc meteor]

I think it has to do with how light sampling works, but I'm not very familiar with that part of the code. You might get a better effect if you break it down into a bunch of smaller lights instead of one big one

[jade briar]

That still didn't fix it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103377328530276403/1159273198030946385/image.png?ex=65306c4c&is=651df74c&hm=95a8174687b0b6649936d5470fbfe70333746deb09c85da17ce1ecd673bdfc79&

like this

Still noisy

[balmy chasm]

May be those 4 lights were not enough

[zinc meteor]

err, looks like you have 1 big one and 4 smaller ones overlapping?

I'm curious how it'd look with something like a 10x10 grid, either of rect lights or of sphere lights

alternatively, throwing an actual emissive surface in the places where your lights come from often helps too, since right now your indirect bounces are conflicting with the light visibility rays

[tawny elk]

More lights you say?

[balmy chasm]

Emissive plane 🥲

[tawny elk]

Can model an actual soft box above the car out of frame

[desert ridge]

Is the proportion okay as it is, or should it be smaller? The male figure in the reference image is approximately 1.8 meters tall.

I discovered some similar pictures of buildings on the internet.

[balmy chasm]

Alright, if we're talking about that, just slap a skydome with white square pre-baked on it

[balmy chasm]

Even too much similar

[desert ridge]

I definitely need this, a close-up of the details. Thank you very much!

[desert ridge]

Hey Mark, I have a question. Is Remix optimized for light object ray tracing or can emissive textures achieve similar performance? In 3D rendering, using light objects is known to optimize performance.

[tawny elk]

I like the idea of having a stage lighting setup

[zinc meteor]

That's a complicated question, and I don't fully know the answer. I do know that lights and emissive surfaces aren't equal, and lights generally have less noise than emissive.

but when the lighting doesn't make sense physically, the algorithms generally handle it worse than when it makes sense. So having both a sphere light and an emissive light fixture will usually better than either by itself.

[tawny elk]

Here’s a quick selection of ones I can go to. Lemme know if they work for ya.

[tawny elk]

Maybe my next generic fixtures could be some stage lighting things 👀

[cloud crypt]

Uh, still have to work 3.5 Hours, then i will rescale the Mesh i made for the neon tube, cause currently its tick

And then i will see what i can do with the top lights of the Plattform, maybe devide size by 2 so instead of 4 its 16

[tawny elk]

The door arch should be equal to the window arches. Your doorway is quite massive as modeled now. A standard commercial double door entry in the US is only around 1.8m in width and 2.1m tall.

[balmy chasm]

This one?

[desert ridge]

Nice, thanks.

[tawny elk]

Neon is about 10mm in diameter for scale by the way.

[tawny elk]

I think this image is somewhere in Europe so I’m not confident on its size.

But yea that is a commercial double door.

[balmy chasm]

It is similar. I want to say that it's part of glass structure thing

[desert ridge]

Thank you for the information. The original mesh of the game misled me and made me think that the door is much larger than the window.

[tawny elk]

Don’t trust BlackBox games to have proper proportions or scale on most things.

They were still figuring things out

[ember river]

U know what, I've been thinking about it for some while. Oc its a back alley, but its being used as a garage where ppl mess with they cars. Some studio light, diffusers and such would look nice to do the "make sense" part mark mentioned

[desert ridge]

I believe I should conduct a stress test in the game to compare the results. For example, testing the performance of 100,000 light objects versus 100,000 emissive textures objects.

[tawny elk]

Why not both with Chess Titans and Sponza there’s a candle lit option with a few thousand emissive and light source candles.

[zinc meteor]

I'm curious to see your results.

[desert ridge]

I haven't tried that yet, but I might download it to give it a try later. For now, I'm focusing on making the buildings.

[tawny elk]

Yea that’s the end goal with the garages in MW for sure since it fits the vibe perfectly.

[zinc meteor]

Alright, asked an actual expert. splitting up the big area light into smaller lights won't help. adding emissive surfaces to the lights will help if the boiling comes from the direct lighting pass. if the boiling is more in the indirect lighting pass, then it may be caused by some highly shiny surface in the surrounding environment.

[ember river]

Could it be that the lights are way too close to the car? The two bulbs in the middle are the headlights, as reference

[tawny elk]

What’s weird is that I’ve had a setup similar with rect and sphere sources in pretty much every shop and garage with no noise.

[zinc meteor]

have yall messed with the render settings? do you still get the noise if you go back the the defaults for those?

[tawny elk]

When I was doing it mine were all set at the default

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, it's been tested in HellRaven's setup only. Settings can vary on his machine

[jade briar]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

I completely forgot about that

hellraven was messing with the denoiser settings

[ember river]

yeah, though, he mentioned not being able to save to rtx.conf

[zinc meteor]

I would definitely try it at default settings

[ember river]

@cloud crypt could you confirm the noise goes away if you use the rtx.conf at rtx-remix-defaults/?

[zinc meteor]

like, back up your rtx.conf, then delete everything that isn't texture lists or other basic game setup

[jade briar]

We have a shared conf file. It's on the repo. The denoiser and render settings on it are default.

[desert ridge]

I may have an idea of what is causing this problem. It seems that the front area lacks objects, resulting in insufficient light bounce within that area. As a result, many lights bounce out into infinite space, causing the denoiser to struggle in capturing enough light for sampling. This is why the image appears noisy.

[cloud crypt]

Already tested that yesterday because i had the same thought, but no, still tje same noisy car

And its only the car, nothing else

[cloud crypt]

Maybe adding a flat plane object through the remix toolset by e-man on top of the scene could fix that

But i cant test... still am at work

[cloud crypt]

Nah, works all fine without tje top lights

Its a shame because it looks so good...

[tawny elk]

Y’all still doing that inverse method to add gloss to vehicles? I wonder if that has something to do with it.

[cloud crypt]

I am back home now

[cloud crypt]

will now rescale the mesh, 10mm you said Adam? thats like 0.001 in Blender because of UG2 scaling XD

[tawny elk]

Yea in diameter

[ember river]

You can completely ignore blender units and transforms at all. Make sure to apply your rotation/scaling transforms before exporting (if you press N on blender you can see their values)

If you export using those settings I sent you yesterday, it should ignore transforms and only care about the actual vertices positions

[cloud crypt]

yeah i know, i will get it right, no worries

it may be my first mesh, but im not dumb XD

[cloud crypt]

made it way smaller

Thats how it does look with it

What you guys thinking?

[jade briar]

What does the lighting setup look like?

[cloud crypt]

its still the same, have to change it, was making the mesh so i had no time for it yet

[jade briar]

So far so good

[ember river]

Looking good

[cloud crypt]

took me only 2 hours to make XD (cause im a noob in blender XD)

[jade briar]

2 hours for what?

[cloud crypt]

the mesh

[jade briar]

Yes but

Which mesh?

[cloud crypt]

for the neon

[jade briar]

Ah

Did it take 2 hours to make that?

[cloud crypt]

alligning, editing, aligning again and that over and over and over again

[jade briar]

Hmm

[cloud crypt]

the angles where the worst part, thats why it took me so long

[lyric hull]

I’ve been lurking a bit 👀
No offence, but this is too complex. Being emissive, you shouldn’t see the normals if you made it simpler.

With the long parts, you could remove the vertices without losing any quality

[cloud crypt]

thats the old mesh

the first 1 i made

i already made a new one which is simpler, way simpler

[lyric hull]

Oh awesome 😁
I’ve been meaning to help out with some of the modelling, but it’s hard to find the time lol

[cloud crypt]

true haha XD

[lyric hull]

Is there a checklist or Google doc or something with all of the meshes that need to be done?

That way we can tick them off as we go, and avoid working on the same meshes?

[jade briar]

Anything that looks old. Probably is old. And needs replacing.

[cloud crypt]

we want to replace literally nearly every mesh

[jade briar]

Now I didn't say that

[cloud crypt]

fixed XD, missed a word

[jade briar]

good

[cloud crypt]

thats all noise, ive tried to eliminate it with an additional sphere light, but thats not working, default denoise and rtx conf also dont fix

[ember river]

Hi there
We have a GitHub Project board for managing tasks. Thats how we usually tell whether someone is already working on something, but u still got to keep up with the threads

[cloud crypt]

even using 17 rect lights will be noisy af

[ember river]

Try modelling an actual rect/quad mesh and add it on top

with emission

[cloud crypt]

hm? rect quad mesh?

[cloud crypt]

dont know if it has any use anywhere XD

i didnt made it, just found it interesting
same for this one (could be used for the ball lights at the airport)

[ember river]

Yeah just export a simple quad from blender and set it up with some emissive color in OV instead of using lights

[ember river]

Funny thing, I'm working on those light poles on main avenue at this very moment 🤣 (while trying to learn substance painter)

[cloud crypt]

haha XD

was white reflective and black non-reflective for roughness and metallic maps?

[ember river]

roughnes is 0-1 for shiny-rough, and metallic is 0-1 for dielectric-metallic, respectively

[cloud crypt]

ah ok, thx, because i try to get Rachels 350Z Done 😉

and yes, thats all done with maps, no settings from rtx remix conf

[ember river]

What if you use a full mirror-smooth surface?

[cloud crypt]

without metallic map?

[ember river]

no I mean, its still a bit rough still

[cloud crypt]

let me test

chrome paint XD

[ember river]

wait, wut?

is it full metallic?

[cloud crypt]

yes

[ember river]

ah. Try playing a bit with their values. I might be wrong but car paint is made by sprinkling metallic bits on top of a non-metallic base paint, so the average appearance isn't fully metallic nor fully non-metallic

[cloud crypt]

the only problem would be, that every time you edit the vinyl of a car, the mat changes, and since there are thousands of combinations its only an option for pre tuned cars like the sponsor cars and some opponents like Nikki andthe Boss or reaper crew

[ember river]

yeah, thats what we've got for now. I still think its worth though, for the 350z as a first boot experience

[cloud crypt]

yeah, thought the same, thats why i started with it XD

but i think, exhaust paints, rim paints, brake paints and engine paint is doable too

just will take a while

maybe the vinyl should be upscaled, or i can find online a hd version of it

and yes, now we see the extreme noise

[jade briar]

Keep the metallic at .2

Best result

[cloud crypt]

i am working with maps

not with settings

[jade briar]

Then a hsv value of .2

[cloud crypt]

Going to bed now, will try a bit again tomorrow

[tawny elk]

Okay got one fully put together

[cloud crypt]

Missing: 399/400

[tawny elk]

I’ll get there one day

[sharp sinew]

Looks perfect Adam, nice one

[balmy chasm]

What a music :D

[desert ridge]

I have created a light mesh model specifically for the tunnel in my GTASA remix (which hasn't been publicly released yet). If you like, it could potentially be included in the game.

[tawny elk]

Not sure where that would be used quite yet

[desert ridge]

It seems like I really need to learn a PBR material creation software like Substance or Marmoset Toolbag. The textures for adding imperfections are truly beautiful.

[tawny elk]

Marmoset is a useful tool in general, but it’s pretty niche. Substance has way more tutorials and materials available, but is kinda chunky and not quite meant for games.

I figured out my problem with substance was I have to export the mesh from substance and then use that usd for remix for whatever reason.

Note if budget is a concern, marmoset is way cheaper and includes an amazing library of materials and hdris.

[desert ridge]

Which software do you think is better for one-click procedural materials? I struggle with texturing and would like an easier solution.

[tawny elk]

Substance has much better usd support imo so I’d go with that

For purchasing substance, there is a one time purchase on steam, if that’s the route you wanna take. 👀

[restive magnet]

what y'all think about this billboard?

[cloud crypt]

Tunnels city core to heights

[tawny elk]

The tunnel lights are wallpacks or strips tucked up at the top. I’m not sure how fitting this one would be in it

[cloud crypt]

With the remix tool by e-man it should be possible to add the models to them

And i think with the right scaling it could look good

Like making that light not that long, like a rect/quad light

[ember river]

Looking pretty cool. By its look it seems somewhat cheat type of lamps, can see them be placed on some private areas, back alleys, etc. The fixture seems a bit fragile to be placed in wide open/exposed environments, thinking about maintenance and depredation, so they fit more on places with less flow of ppl, traffic, like the ones I mentioned

[tawny elk]

For the era this is set in their either long strips joined together, or bunch of wallpacks in a row

I wanna say the original game had wallpacks shoved up in the top of tunnel on both sides.

[ember river]

Mexican Fan Palms!
Can anyone here take some highres texture pics of their barks and other details, pls?

[tawny elk]

Not my photos 😦

[ember river]

Ik, just saw them and remembered I need some references

I got some but they aren't exactly the same specie

I've never seem one im my life, their bark seems to be more like this as the leaf scars starts to fall:

[tawny elk]

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=any&taxon_id=79521

Has pretty much every plant that I know of

[desert ridge]

Great reference! I also need this image. Thank you! GTASA and NFSU2 share some similar elements, so if I create them, I believe I can reuse them in the game.

[ember river]

My man, that is great!
Now I just need to find some bark textures

[tawny elk]

If speed tree wasn’t the most expensive thing in the world I’d whip foliage up for ya 😦

[ember river]

Now that I've got my geo nodes setup from the zahidi palms it would be faster to just make them again

[cloud crypt]

Guys, i cant wait to see on how the game will look like when we are finished

[median iron]

same, you guys are doing a fantastic job

[ember river]

I see a bright future for remix in general. As more and more ppl start remixing games, our work will be one of the many mods out there ppl can install and overlay on the game. Lots of cool stuff coming up

[cloud crypt]

Yes, i like that old classics getting a new chance to shine

[vague sparrow]

Your work might have a negative impact on paid mods

That charge 5 dollars for reshade presets

[lone dragon]

https://polyhaven.com

have fun

[vague sparrow]

Holy

Are they free

👀

[lone dragon]

most

no login or whatever either

it's a community of pros fucking over the industry for fun

[vague sparrow]

@jade briar we need this high quality rat model in the game frfr

[jade briar]

ok.

[vague sparrow]

ok.

[lone dragon]

but there is no rats in...

ok

[vague sparrow]

All hail the mighty congo rats

🙌

[lone dragon]

dead ass replace the golf with this rat

[vague sparrow]

Nah bruh well only see the 🐀

Butt

💀

Ok nvm I'm shit talking here again

Sry

[cloud crypt]

🤣

[cloud crypt]

A good thing i would say, mods shouldnt be paid

I would see a patreon for our work as a support for poeple who want to support to get paid models so we wouldnt have to create everything ourselfs. But it remains free for everyone

[lone dragon]

seriously, it would be kinda funny if you replace the golf with the rat just to piss of the people that unironically think that it's a good car

[vague sparrow]

We all know that GTO is the clear winner here

No second thoughts

[cloud crypt]

GTO worat car in the game

Golf was ok, it handled well but was a bit slow

[vague sparrow]

Pontiac something lol

It sounds cool asf

[cloud crypt]

And golf is the best driftcar itg

[lone dragon]

btw i saw that earlier people were trying to figure out how to do palm trees https://polyhaven.com/a/palm_tree_bark

[vague sparrow]

https://youtu.be/qsgA6HE6dKc?si=E3-PF9xfcxebVW8R

What I meant was that it's a great sounding car

[ember river]

Thats is good. Though I'm looking specifically for a mexican fan palm. Their bark is like the pictures I sent earlier

[vague sparrow]

Polyhaven rules 🔥

[cloud crypt]

.

[lone dragon]

oh that is a topic i find weird

[ember river]

who'd like to be the accountant 🤣

[lone dragon]

why are there total conversions for free, but some mofos charge people for reshade presets

[ember cobalt]

as long as i get all the money 😛

[vague sparrow]

Holy shit

@tawny elk @sacred yarrow

It's like going in a thrift store that's also free

[ember river]

most are greedy, the others just broke af

[ember cobalt]

yeah, it's tempting to try to get money like that when you're broke, lol

[lone dragon]

again, pro's that come from a humble background made to fuck over the gatekeeping industry

[ember cobalt]

i do personally support "let's accept donations for this project, but keep the content free". it seems like a nice balance, and many people are happy to donate

[vague sparrow]

Yeah

[ember cobalt]

also no angry people raiding your project chat about it, lol

[vague sparrow]

It's the paywall that I don't like

[cloud crypt]

By @restive magnet new cityscape

[cloud crypt]

Thats what i said

[ember cobalt]

i only jumped in the chat just now, sorry

[cloud crypt]

Haha no worries xD

[ember cobalt]

i will admit that i don't fully understand why paid mods are so hated if they're made from scratch. it's a lot of hard work

[ember river]

I personally as someone looking for gigs in this already incredibly niched industry find this gatekeeping quite frustrating. Seeing humble ppl doing stuff like that feels really wholesome

[vague sparrow]

Are $5 Patreon reshade presets made from scratch?

[ember cobalt]

reshade presets are definitely not worth paying for. i mean things like total game overhauls

[vague sparrow]

If they are, they have the right to do what they want

Those are mostly free btw

[ember cobalt]

for most reshade presets, all you have to do is slap together a few shaders and tweak their values

i've made many, i would actually feel very bad charging for them

[vague sparrow]

Explain that to their defenders

😢

[ember cobalt]

i just don't engage with those people, it's a huge part of why i'm not in that community anymore

ah well, didn't mean to start a debate about this. i was mostly wondering what you guys thought of it, and why

[vague sparrow]

Alright well coming back to the topic of free high quality assets

I've seen a trash can on that website that Kevin linked

Might be a good shot at replacing the main menu trash with that

I guess

[ember river]

well, software industry as a whole wouldn't be a 10th of what it is today if it wasn't for the open source ecosystem. I personally am more on the contributor than on the profiteer side 🙂

[vague sparrow]

That website also has a good amount of trash props one might place

In the game

[ember cobalt]

i'm really just stuck in between. as someone who's quite poor, i feel like charging for something you've put a lot of time into isn't inherently a bad thing. however there are definitely bad ways to go about it, which is what most paid mods seem to do.

i'm also an advocate for open source software and mods in most cases to be clear

[ember river]

I wonder why this trash bin is such a hot reoccurring topic
Guess might be for it being one of the first scenery props everyone sees when opening up the game

[ember cobalt]

if you guys could DM me some links to various websites with free models and PBR textures, that'd be much appreciated. i'd like to make a better help section for that in #1055002308649427004

a lot of people have asked, and i don't know where to find them myself despite looking

[vague sparrow]

If I was in power I would have done it already....

just doing my job at raising my voices so others could do it

Shiny trash is still trash tho

😛

[ember river]

Just a thought that came to my head: Recently I've been thinking about this whole omniverse integration thing with remix, and maybe it could be a nice thing for ppl to post their mod assets on omniverse library so more ppl could use
With the toolkit also being a omniverse app just like USD composer/Code/etc., it should integrate really seamlessly

[ember cobalt]

that would be cool, or we could set up a github repo to host it as well and use plugins to pull from it

[vague sparrow]

We could have a plugin for remix toolkit that could import assets directly from polyhaven like it does with blender

This might be actually good

[ember cobalt]

whatever would be easiest

[tawny elk]

I might yank some trees and some grass from polyhaven but I’ve never used stuff from it since it never really doesn’t mesh with lots of art directions.

[vague sparrow]

How do I let the devs know about it?

[ember river]

Think it would be more of a #1095534398134300682 type of work than allocating NV devs on it
Also, writting extensions for Omniverse is incredibly easy
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NvidiaOmniverseRTXRemixTools/tree/main/exts/ekozerski.rtxremixtools/ekozerski/rtxremixtools
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NvidiaOmniverseRTXRemixTools/blob/main/exts/ekozerski.rtxremixtools/ekozerski/rtxremixtools/extension.py

[vague sparrow]

Hmmm

I'm just tossing Ideas for now

😅

[ember river]

Great ones, for sure 😉

[ember cobalt]

i posted whatever i knew of already

hopefully it's all fine

[desert ridge]

@ember cobalt
https://www.texturecan.com/
https://texturefun.com/
https://cc0-textures.com/
https://3dtextures.me/
https://publicdomaintextures.com/

[ember cobalt]

added all but 1, thanks

[cloud crypt]

found on sketchfab

[tawny elk]

Way too low poly don't you think?

[cloud crypt]

yeah maybe, the high poly cost money, these are free

[tawny elk]

Is there a specific pole light you'd like? I can probably source it

[cloud crypt]

no need to, im just curious of how the 2nd light would look like because these type of lights are used at the airport

[tawny elk]

Emissive on the lens and a sphere light around it if needed.

[cedar estuary]

anyone know why my ground textures could be missing?

[ember river]

u mean those?

[cloud crypt]

nope

[ember river]

the 4 sided ones?

[cloud crypt]

wait ill show you

[ember river]

Oh, ok

[tawny elk]

It's like this, but square

[cloud crypt]

nop

[tawny elk]

Can you post a photo of the mesh?

[ember river]

Their shapes are quite weird

[cloud crypt]

its lighting as a complete but i think as a round light it looks better

[tawny elk]

Oh yea they took a sphere and smooshed it for sure

[ember river]

A sqhere

[cloud crypt]

and we defenetly have to remesh this building completely XD and the pavewalk since its to short on one edge

[ember river]

lol that sidewalk textures stretched like, bruh

[cloud crypt]

and e-man, when do you think of creating this texture? Since you made the roads

[ember river]

I claimed to myself the rework of roadways walls meshes and have since then being a prisoner of a neverending task

Its my next thing after finishing this big boy
https://github.com/users/Ekozmaster/projects/1?pane=issue&itemId=37552462

[cloud crypt]

i would like to help and create that texture myself, there is only 1 problem: My Blender knowledge

[ember river]

I haven't used blender to make them at first. This last iteration I did, but its not mandatory. For some reason the road textures don't look the same in blender and in the runtime

[cloud crypt]

oh XD

i like them, for real, but i think there is missing a bit glossiness

they should be atleast a bit reflective, not as much as the first ones but a tiny bit more than this

[ember river]

go for it. I struggled quite a bit trying to get the grains of asphalt to be small at scale while having 1024x normals looking good on shiny surfaces so we decided to ditch it out for dry asphalt

[cloud crypt]

ah ok

[ember river]

I have improved some workflows for working with the runtime now and would also like to give another go to the asphalt textures, but well, walls...

if you feel like giving it another go, go for it, I aint got time for it atm

[cloud crypt]

haha yeah, i understand you, even the lobby isnt finished yet, and i would like to get it near to perfect without too many mesh replacements for now

mesh replacements (walls, ground, windows) in the lobby should be the final step. I maybe replace the 2 lamps, but thats it then

[ember river]

Just beware that many things might change with new meshes, so you might end up wasting some time if you work on something that is gonna be replaced

As an example: Don't touch the thrash bin

[cloud crypt]

i did not wanted to replace the trash bin XD

just the 2 lights

[desert ridge]

It's easy to model. Do we really need this? I can handle it.

[ember river]

If hell won't pickup them, go for it 😉

[jade briar]

I'm gonna

Model

[cloud crypt]

nah, im still learning, you guys can go for it

i think i have to follow that guy

https://youtube.com/shorts/mmKwDayb4JM?si=_6yhRWXBDXjn13b0

[jade briar]

What is this?

[desert ridge]

There are many different ways to do this. I start by using a circle, while others may use the spin tool. However, I find the circle method more controllable.

[cloud crypt]

was deleted from the files, i think Hemry uploaded it again somewhere

[jade briar]

ah

don't worry then

[desert ridge]

This applies non-reflective materials to all the objects in the scene, except for the car.

[jade briar]

ah okay

[cloud crypt]

yeah, was i nice idea with a big downside

[desert ridge]

However, I believe I have already removed it from the GitHub repository.

[cloud crypt]

yeah you did, but its still mentioned in mod.usda

[jade briar]

@ember river

Can you help me out real quick?

[ember river]

wha up

[jade briar]

I want to make changes to this material so that it is in this sublayer instead of root

[ember river]

seems about right already, set as authoring layer and all

[cloud crypt]

just move it onto the layer you want to

elsewise looking right

[ember river]

you already made the changes but having the root layer as the authoring layer by mistake?

[jade briar]

So if I make changes to this specific material, it'll be moved to the sublayer I created?

[ember river]

yup. You can see the "over" result in the usda file (if you open in a text editor)

[jade briar]

alright

Because prim path says this

So I was worried it was gonna overwrite this

[ember river]

yeah, the content of your HASH_concrete.usda will have something like

over "RootNode"
{
    over "Looks"
    {
        Over "mat_74D..."
        {
            ...
        }
    }
}

[cloud crypt]

hm, dont know, its fitting but not fitting

[jade briar]

ugh. Why is that textures are much glossier in remix

[ember river]

There are some cast iron materials in rtx-remix\mods\gameReadyAssets\03_meshes\01_props\01_roadways\Fences if you want to test them out

[cloud crypt]

too white

[jade briar]

Yeah. Cuz it's supposed to be really rough

[ember river]

its the same as the tiny fences near the cathedral and casino area

[ember river]

sRGB?

[jade briar]

No

[cloud crypt]

you may want it more to be from 0 to 1 and use as height instead of roughness, because roughness map = glossiness map

in remix black = glossy and in ov black = rough

[jade briar]

That is

Not true

Is it?

Hold on

Lemme test

[cloud crypt]

black is like perfect mirror

[ember river]

oh, yeah, forgot about that. OV look of materials are quite weird

[jade briar]

ah

[ember river]

The MDLs dont describe exactly how they're gonna look like

[jade briar]

So yeah. That's roughness. Glossiness is the inverse where black = rough

[cloud crypt]

thats with a plane black roughness map

its like a chrome color

[jade briar]

Yep. That's roughness

White = 1 = rough. More white = more rough. Hense, roughness

[cloud crypt]

but Rachels car is giving me some problems here, its black again...

[ember river]

try using 0.2 mettallic like burrito mentioned 👀 (Overlay a 20% opacity white layer on top of a pitch black layer in PS)

[jade briar]

yes

[cloud crypt]

oh, that translation helps, thanks

[jade briar]

Which layers do I need to save?

[ember river]

or you could leave without a texture and just set the mettallic constant on the material

[ember river]

depends, if the 74D11...usda is already being referenced in the uncle_burrito.usda if you open it with a text editor and you don't wanna keep any changes made in the uncle_burrito.usda/RootNode/*, then no need to save uncle_burrito

[jade briar]

I think I get you

God

Haven't done a replacement in a long time

[tawny elk]

Any reason an added mesh wouldn't show up in game?

[ember river]

did you remember to add the new layer in your mod.usda?

[tawny elk]

Whatcha mean?

[ember river]

or you're editing with mod.usda directly as authoring layer?

[tawny elk]

Huh?

[desert ridge]

Have you added the "custom int preserveOriginalDrawCall = 1" parameter? If there are no light objects added to the mesh, you don't need this parameter.

[ember river]

If you added that mesh in OV, you had a layer set as authoring layer, unless you accidentally modified the capture itself. Otherwise, you will either be authoring your changes directly in the mod.usda, or have a sublayer that you maybe forgot to add to your mod.usda

[jade briar]

Watcha think?

[tawny elk]

It's a little too earthy. Should be more gray

[ember river]

I've been forgetting to reference my sublayers more often than I'd like to admit

[jade briar]

right

[tawny elk]

||I'm in MW to test things, not U2..||

[jade briar]

get outta ere

[tawny elk]

[cloud crypt]

pom is missing

[ember river]

Ik, what is your mod.usda like?

[jade briar]

porn is missing

[tawny elk]

Nothing special. It's referenced fine as far as I can tell.

[desert ridge]

Not mesh replacement?

[ember river]

does it shows if you remove the preserveOriginalDrawCall?

[jade briar]

Just texture

[tawny elk]

Nope

[jade briar]

I don't think this can be mesh replaced

This is what the texture looks like

[ember river]

The seams between each precast block seems a bit thick. Is it the UVs stretched again?

[jade briar]

Nope. Exact same spacs as the original texture

[ember river]

I mean, the seams crevices themselves, not the block length

[desert ridge]

After watching the video, I realized that you created the texture for the bridge. I had thought that you made the texture for the streetlights before seeing the video.

[ember river]

Yeah, the game original ones are also quite big, about a foot wide, as if the blocks have large bevel edges. Those pics show a bit what I mean, they're really tight

[jade briar]

Todo:
Update bloom settings so that it doesn't look ugly.

[cloud crypt]

already have done that

[jade briar]

nuh uh

[tawny elk]

Is this the correct structure for a mesh replacement usda?

[ember river]

Oh, you forgot to set "Xform" as the default prim. That is another annoying thing. As you add your usda file as reference to a mesh_HASH prim, you can chose what prim it is gonna show. If you don't set any, it will pick "default prim", which hasn't been set

[jade briar]

Guys

I think I know why we can't get the lighting just right

[cloud crypt]

currently selected my neon tube, but dont know if it is placed in the correct sublayer

[tawny elk]

[cloud crypt]

my lighting was about right 😉😏

[jade briar]

We're literally fighting with fake color added to the scene.

[ember river]

try dragging your material inside the "Xform_mesh_0" prim and delete the "Looks" Scope/folder. Also, if it still don't work, try renaming the "Xform_mesh_0" to something more unique like "AAAAAA"

[cloud crypt]

in my first lighting versions vertex color was at 0.5

[ember river]

Great finding man. Only thing is, we lose neon colors, those light beams and such become all white

[cloud crypt]

yea, thats why i wouldnt recommend to change it yet

[ember cobalt]

i don't think that's "fake" color though. maybe ask Mark about what it does exactly. the description doesn't help much

[jade briar]

It's vertex colors. Old games used to use those to bake in lighting

In case of remix, it just adds more confusion

Because now, we can afford dynamic lighting.

[ember river]

An option to select vertex color black/whitelist would be awesome

[cloud crypt]

yeah it would be, short question: on which dxvk builds are you guys?

without vertex color

with vertex color

my lobby lights are already pretty optimized

[jade briar]

So uh

Why can I not export anymore?

[tawny elk]

[cloud crypt]

XD

on the right side select nothig and then try it

[jade briar]

nope

[cloud crypt]

and i think you have to be in layer menu

[jade briar]

I just wanna export a singular mesh

and it won't let me

mark pls bro

lemme export

uhh

guys

help appreciated

[cloud crypt]

right click, rtx remix, set for mesh replace

[tawny elk]

Don't you have emans plugin? You can right click setup for mesh replacement

[jade briar]

No I need to export it first

So that I can look at it

While making a mesh

[tawny elk]

Yea you can do that with the setup mesh replacement, just duplicate it in blender while you work

[jade briar]

lets see

Hey @ember river

Can u walk me thru mesh replacement

Also this thing is stuck on installing

[cloud crypt]

i shouldnt try to give it actual lighting and just should stay with emissive

its with vertics color at 0

[jade briar]

God, nothing works

It's getting frustrating

[cloud crypt]

because then i get this

[ember river]

Hmm, gimme a sec, filling tummy rn 😋

[ember river]

What does the logs says?

[jade briar]

ok wait

[ember river]

Console*

[jade briar]

I got it to work

Finally

[jade briar]

Ok so you gotta help me out here

Because I don't know what I'm doing

[ember river]

Did the extension installed/worked? How did you install it, from github or from the extensions store?

[jade briar]

The extention works now

But I'm talking about the mesh replacement part

[ember river]

Oh so nvm the console/logs

If you have an authoring layer, you can right click a mesh and setup for mesh replacements. It will export the original mesh to the location you chose and setup the prims for a working replacement. It replaces the mesh with itself, sort of

[jade briar]

Right

[jade briar]

So should I export it to the game ready assets folder?

Like the mod folder where everything else is located

[ember river]

Yup

[jade briar]

Does the name matter?

Like is it gonna be the final usd that the game uses?

[ember river]

The exported one will be the one you will import and blender and reexport in the same file

[jade briar]

okay

usd, or usda?

[ember river]

Usd

[jade briar]

alright

[ember river]

Its just mesh data, best to optimize with the binary format

The original mesh is kept in case you just want to add more meshes to that one. If you want to actually replace it, just delete the "mesh" prim so it wont render

[cloud crypt]

new cityscape is too dark...

[ember river]

Its lacking some bloom tbh, and the bg is too bright

[jade briar]

So will exporting using the normal blender version work, or do I need the usd build?

[ember river]

Not sure if I ever tried regular blender

[jade briar]

aight

lets see what happens

[ember river]

The usd branch has more exporting options

So you can just copy those settings I pasted sometwhere

[cloud crypt]

now looking like that

[ember river]

Maybe the bloom falloff is too harsh/hard edges

[cloud crypt]

or we just stay with this one

[ember river]

Tbh, that sky doesn't helps deciding much

[cloud crypt]

i didnt made it

[ember river]

Ik, I did
But didn't make the garage ones so bright. Its something else affecting them

Their meshes and materials should be replaced all together

[cloud crypt]

i kinda want it to look like this, with a mountain to indicate the heights

[jade briar]

Okay, I'm gonna head off for the night. Think I understand stuff now

[lyric hull]

I think this looks a lot better. Maybe just increase the roughness of the platform

[cloud crypt]

well going to bed now, have to work again in 7 hours

[balmy chasm]

It is just an assumption, but it can be color profile difference. Just like we have with conversion from Substance Painter to UE5. I haven't tested it though. So all I did is just setup textures in Painter like normal and adjust values(and re-export) when they look too much in Remix. Also Remix has drastic differences with OV as well

[cloud crypt]

and here we go again... a paid reshade and retexture mod...

[ember cobalt]

the names are so cheesy

[sacred yarrow]

[insert word] vision

[trail quail]

Blind vision

💀

Only 99$ for the cataract reshade preset

🥰

[cloud crypt]

i dont know how i feel about it when vertices are off

sry for bad quality... recorded in wrong resolution and with the wrong codec

thats why there is no sound too XD

[timid prairie]

i dunno, resolution feels quite crisp, its the codec that makes the day

[ember river]

its all washed out. Think we'd need to rework lighting and colors after migrating to no-vertex colors mode

[cloud crypt]

the thing is, the lobby looks fine 😂

[jade briar]

That's a plan for another day. I say we stick with vcols until release because they break a few other things as well

[cloud crypt]

yeah

[cloud crypt]

that is kinda interesting... the 2 lamps in the lobby is just 1 mesh

[cloud crypt]

old

new concept

what ya think?

[tawny elk]

Too plain. It’s missing the detail that the other one had

[cloud crypt]

the other one had its details just from texture

and i stated that it is a concept since i am still learning to model

[tawny elk]

For things like this, it’s easier to trace the outline and extrude it on the x axis

[cloud crypt]

i dont like the old lamp, its just so curvy and isnt fitting the scene in my eyes

i thought of making it a bit more modern without breaking the games idea

i mean, i also could make the top tube as a plane metal sheed like the mounting and make the edges a bit rounder

and texturing would be done in substance painter

[jade briar]

I like the old lamp

You can just use curves to make the texture details

[cloud crypt]

decide, i think version 2 would work the best in that scene

[jade briar]

No

[cloud crypt]

yes

the last one is basically what it looks original

the middle one is a combination of the last and the first

[jade briar]

I like the original look

[cloud crypt]

i can make both as a model and then we can decide for the one that looks best ingame. No need to hurry things to much

[jade briar]

Mmm

Double work

[cloud crypt]

no problem for me

i dont need to work today (its 4:25am in germany)

[balmy chasm]

If you're in Germany right now, I'm super curious which type of work you have .-. You literally have free time in the night-morning, work in the evening and sleep between that

[surreal ruin]

Just a little tip for you guys! Considering the project has no art director or anything like that, I'd be careful with re-designing things too much because you like it better that way

If everyone making assets does this, things can very quickly and very easily end up feeling non-consistent and get really messy

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, ths why i will create both varisnts and then we can decide

[balmy chasm]

As I asked Buritto to show off his vision of the project to be the only reference for us all. But he hasn't answered yet

[vague sparrow]

please have that same over saturated look to it

with tonemapping and such

i liked it, and that's why it should be preserved

[teal wolf]

Hello

Can I use any mods with remix to make my car not matte?

Like hd reflection or sm

I tried scout hud mod but the menu text was not readable

[vague sparrow]

That would require setting up the car body to have PBR with very reflective metalness map

But the downside seems to be that hash changes each time when you set a paint or apply vinyl

[teal wolf]

Oh so no mods can be used?

[vague sparrow]

not that I mean but, you can try

[teal wolf]

What about hud

[teal wolf]

Okayy

[vague sparrow]

what about it

[surreal ruin]

In short, no you can't.

[teal wolf]

Yeah I jus tried

[teal wolf]

Hud remaster which works with remix

And my car lights are not working

[vague sparrow]

these are added i think in the github version of the project

which has remastered textures

[teal wolf]

Remix 0.2.0?

I downloaded it

[vague sparrow]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix

[teal wolf]

It's fixed in alpha?

[vague sparrow]

man 🕳️

[teal wolf]

Ok sir 🫡

[cloud crypt]

Ah hell no

[jade briar]

Huh

There's two types of people.
"I don't like the original so I'm gonna alter it"
And
"This should be exactly the same as the source"

I want things to be exactly the same as the source

No changing things just because you didn't like the original

Don't like it? Go sit in the corner and cry because I ain't letting it in.

[trail quail]

yea, cry bout it

[balmy chasm]

I'm not saying 'original to trash'. You need to specify the borders where "it's too far from original" and where it's not. Because the true essence of 'original' is the NFS U2 itself, with no remix or mods at all

[surreal ruin]

I think in its core it's about "Is this the same object I'm looking at?"

It could have a new model, new textures and all that good stuff, but it still needs to feel and look like the same object

Like for example for my SH2 RTX remix

Here's the original urinal

And here's mine, not textured yet

Completely new model, but still clearly the same object

Bascially what I think burrito wants are updated versions, not re-designed

[jade briar]

Yeah like what traggey said. If it fits, it sits.

[jade briar]

yes

[balmy chasm]

As you can see we have a bit different approach to the same task.

HellRaven did wall with texture almost identical in lines to original texture, but upscaled. E-Man made sideawalk texture ignoring most of original aspects, while maintaining same material used in original. I made textures following type and color of material, but not other aspects of it. And same goes for lights, which nobody know how to work with as original game has them all artificial.

So nobody here is trying to rework U2 into other game. We just have our own limits to what is acceptable for 'semi-orignal' look

[jade briar]

Just look at portal rtx. Every single object looks like the original but higher resolution.

[balmy chasm]

Tragey is also right about "No art director" thing. Which proves the point that current state of things is not beneficial. I just suggest to finally deal with the most common reason features get disapproved

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/benefishial-beneficial-shrimple-grouper-clamplicated-gif-26440220

[balmy chasm]

a.k.a "your work doesn't follow our guidelines written [there], we're not adding it to the project"

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/grueling-grueeling-clamplicated-shrimple-gif-26210349

hahaha

sorry

these gifs

[cloud crypt]

this is version 2 i showed, version 3 is work

[elfin beacon]

Your specs are

[cloud crypt]

what do you mean

[cloud crypt]

ah ok haha XD

borrito has a 4090

[elfin beacon]

Tbh, i was the person who saw it physically so yeah.(CHAMP EMOJI)

[cloud crypt]

i didnt said i want to change it completly, it has to be true to the game, version 1 was just a concept and im fine when you guys say it wouldnt fit. So i am working on version 2 which is pretty close to the original with a bit more modern touch and version 3 to stay as close to the original as possible

[balmy chasm]

Me personally would feel fine even if you get a real lamp with the same mounting points as a reference. It will result in more details in the end

so I'm good with number one as long as it's good model overall

[cloud crypt]

i searched for models that look like the one the game used, but couldnt find any

[balmy chasm]

I mean, a photo(or product page) of real one, not the model

[cloud crypt]

these are just concept ideas, final version when we have decided for 1 would be detailed (im new to blender but found out to do some things), so i think that i could get the lamps looking good

[cloud crypt]

ah hell nah (type 1)

smoothing doesnt work quite well on that rect arm, i try it as a tube. Outcome should be somewhat similar

[cloud crypt]

type 2

Ok guys, now i ask you, Version 2 or version 3 Type1/2?

[balmy chasm]

Sorry, which one is which?

[vague sparrow]

can you mix 1 and 3? the lower bar seems more suiting

and the light fixture seems better placed in 2

hard to decide

not like someone is going to cry 5 minutes about it being redesigned

...right?

[cloud crypt]

i dont think so.
I maybe get it mixed

Should be no problem

i basically just have to rescale the lower bar and add the top bar from picture 3

[desert ridge]

Hey guys, I was browsing the web doing some research on creating physically accurate materials. I came across this website that offers a wide variety of materials. What's great is that they provide the parameters for Omniverse. We can simply copy and paste the values or use them as a basis to adjust our PBR textures for accurate physical rendering.

https://physicallybased.info/

[jade briar]

This is a good website. I use it all the time

[ember river]

Physically speaking, it feels more realistic if the lower arm is the one the lamp hangs on and the upper arm serves as a weight support being tauted, or, the lower one supports the upper arm as in a cross arm scheme

[desert ridge]

In terms of physical accuracy, the supports shouldn't intersect like this. However, since he is new to modeling, we should give him some time to learn the basics first. I would also advise against relying on tutorials that focus on low-poly modeling because the mesh structure is quite different from high-poly modeling.

[vague sparrow]

actually lets see how these fixtures are made irl

and then try to copy that

[desert ridge]

What I mean is that the supports should have some welds connecting them, rather than just crossing through each other.

[desert ridge]

Here is a photo showing welds in two styles: Pretty style and Standard style. The Pretty style is easier to achieve as it involves simple primitives, while the Standard welds require more advanced modeling skills.

[ember river]

Thats is a lot of detail for modelling. Normal/heightmap painting would suit it much better

[balmy chasm]

He refers more to the beveled edges

[ember river]

I mean, stuff like the second pic, the melted metal welding marks

[desert ridge]

The welding marks can be approximated using textures, but the supports need to have beveled edges. I don't think he has learned this aspect yet, as he is still at the beginning stages of modeling. Using simple primitives for the welding style (pretty weld style) would be easier for him.

[ember river]

Gotcha

[desert ridge]

Additionally, using welds can make the modeling appear more realistic and believable.

[vague sparrow]

The question raises

Do we need THAT much detail?

😢

[jade briar]

no

[vague sparrow]

Like is that effectively going to make the model look better, when viewed from a distance

Or is it required only because of the showcase of rtx remix

[cloud crypt]

a mid poly model would be enough

not to high not to low

its a small mesh

[desert ridge]

Since we are discussing physical correctness, I appreciate your opinions. In Remix, we have an unlimited polygon limit, so adding a few more polygons won't impact performance. It would also be beneficial for you to learn more advanced modeling skills to progress to the next level. However, if you believe that a mid-poly approach is sufficient, that's perfectly fine. The decision is up to you.

There is a typhoon in my area today and tomorrow, which means I have a full day to dedicate to modeling. I can make more progress on the buildings and I will share some screenshots later.

[vague sparrow]

Yeah now, buildings are where we could use some high details and probably even actual interiors

[cloud crypt]

https://youtu.be/0Ch7qlc0fE8?si=BamtkTNm9vxrrSzs

Maybe its smth for you hemry

[cloud crypt]

Thx mate, totally forgot that haha😂 ok, i will try a bit around, watch some more tutorials so maybe i can model more complex things than just a simple lamp model to help out more on this project instead of just textures and lighting

[restive magnet]

Sup guys, i have an idea

So there's this project called 2unreal4underground

Maybe we could create some sort of a library of models that we have created/used so that 2u4u team could use them in their project to save development time?

[desert ridge]

Thank you! I've seen this video before, and the addon showcased in it is excellent for creating typical buildings. Perhaps I can use it to replace some buildings in the City Centre. However, I'll need to make some modifications to enable interior creation as well.

[jade briar]

If the tufu Devs allow us, then sure.

Or if they need help

Both versions have quite different visions and requirements

[ember river]

I might be wrong, but 2u4u afaik is just recreating the original game, not upscaling and reworking graphics and assets like us

[jade briar]

This texture that I was playing with the other day is from tufu

[ember river]

Hmmm interesting. So they are reworking some stuff

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, but dont like that style of textures because its looking like gta v😂

But I like theyre work. They actually aim for more realistic handling (R34 GTR with dynamic differential for example). Which is obviously not possible to obtain for us

[ember river]

That is pretty cool. Imagine having a full simulator mode with also car interiors. I'd love to slap my g27 in it

[vague sparrow]

it will have a lot of repeating patterns

plus made of concrete or something

[jade briar]

But everyone likes gta v

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/appurajosh-gif-21504421

nah

[jade briar]

I know you do

[jade briar]

Just a test

[vague sparrow]

bro me like max payne daht it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838829928039317575/968497997321207858/IMG_0222.gif

[jade briar]

They're remaking max payne

So look out for that

[vague sparrow]

ok.

(i will now pretend that i did not know that already)

[jade briar]

(i will now pretend that I let someone know something new)

[cloud crypt]

Yes i like GTA V, but only with graphics and physics mods

[jade briar]

Weak

[cloud crypt]

Main game is ugly as hell 😂

[jade briar]

nuh uh

Looks great

What do you expect from a 10 year old game?

It still looks great all things considered

[surreal ruin]

It's easy to forget

But that fucking game

Managed to run on the 360

That's nothing short of impressive

[jade briar]

And it ran well enough

[cloud crypt]

Well, it ran way worse on PS3

XBox360 had no texture loading issues and was locked at 25fps

[jade briar]

Please explain to me

The joke

[vague sparrow]

left unanswered ey?

[jade briar]

Seems like it

[cloud crypt]

which joke

[jade briar]

this

[cloud crypt]

this was meant as smth like: im working on it again

[jade briar]

Not funny, didn't laugh

But good job getting back

[vague sparrow]

it means your dopamine receptors are fried

[jade briar]

It means the video was cringe

[vague sparrow]

cant enjoy seeing a old lady listening to chunes

[jade briar]

Not funny

[vague sparrow]

reminds me of this

nvm we got offtopic

burrito lets talk about how you're going to experiment with ruining the art style of UG2 by adding road textures that look like GTA 5 ones

[jade briar]

me rn

[cloud crypt]

tried the bevel tool XD, but somehow it still looks like shit...

[desert ridge]

It took me 4 hours to model the stair area, and I had to change the design multiple times to make it fit the hotel lobby area. Next time, I should create a floor plan for the hotel floor and reception area first. My fingers are very sore now because I haven't done modeling in a long time. I need to take a break and rest my fingers.

[cloud crypt]

looks goot to me, way better than my lamps XD (i currently only like 1 i made)

and its this one:

[desert ridge]

I should create a geometry node to generate custom stairs. It's quite frustrating to keep recreating things repeatedly.

[tawny elk]

There's a builtin addon for them I think

[ember river]

Seems like something that could make better use of a bezier curve than geo nodes

[cloud crypt]

maybe this will go somewhere

any tips from the pros?

[tawny elk]

When you make a bend, extrude it rather than using a bevel.

Makes UV's easier

[cloud crypt]

i use extrude for it