NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[desert ridge]

I believe we are currently doing a lot of manual remastering work without AI, so it isn't directly related to us. However, I believe AI assistant stuff will likely become prevalent in the future gaming industry.

The situation is somewhat similar to us eagerly awaiting the release of Nvidia's AI assistant tools. These tools will assist us in creating remix content more easily, and you can even utilize these assets to develop your own game.

[spark moon]

can u show the settings where

[vague sparrow]

open Config.py in VScode and set Transparency as reflectivity as false

[spark moon]

ok...when notepad works y do u need vscode

[vague sparrow]

i forgor 💀

[spark moon]

i am on windows 11

[vague sparrow]

Notepad++ https://notepad-plus-plus.org/downloads/ works as well

i just didnt know it was formatted in ASCII

💀

[spark moon]

i try to not install as much as third part software until i left with no choice...

[desert ridge]

Now I understand the issue. It's much larger in size compared to the building next to it.🤣

[jade briar]

yep

[desert ridge]

After gathering some reference photos, I am now beginning the process of replacing the first building.

I have transformed the car glass materials into transparent materials and made adjustments to the effect textures. I have already uploaded some of them to my Github repository, but I haven't merged them into the main branch yet. There are still some pending tasks to complete.

[balmy chasm]

Just wanted to suggest a thing. You can create these building from single albedo texture with converting it to Height map and baking displacement into mesh

[balmy chasm]

This car thing can go as utility as it is yet subject to change in future. I'm talking about more stable stuff like building which will stay replaced this way to the end of the project

[desert ridge]

Are you suggesting that I should not remodel the actual mesh? However, the proportions of these buildings are completely incorrect, so they need to be remeshed. Additionally, I managed to combine various building materials such as brick, rock, windows, and metal into a single texture to reduce draw calls. The texture size is around 8192x8192 pixels, with each individual grid texture being 512x512 pixels. This allows for approximately 256 variations of textures, which I believe is sufficient for all the buildings.

Something like this, I had previously attempted to create an interior texture.

If Remix could incorporate a feature that allows for specifying a grid to repeat a single texture, it would make the texturing process much easier.

[cloud crypt]

Unfortunately, the buildings are scaled very strangely.

[desert ridge]

I noticed that you can import the mesh with the correct UV mapping. So, instead of importing the actual mesh file (mesh_XXXXXXXX), should I import the instance file? The mesh I loaded has completely incorrect UV mapping.

This is how it looks when I import the mesh in Blender.

[jade briar]

Whatever works best, I guess.

[jade briar]

Try exporting the scene as fbx in omniverse

[desert ridge]

Are you referring to the entire captured scene?

[jade briar]

Yes

[desert ridge]

It's work, thanks!
The scale is currently set to 1.0. Should I resize it to 0.01 before exporting to USD?

[ember river]

When exporting from blender, I apply every transforms (position, rotation and scale - Ctrl + A) and use these settings. You can save a preset on blender so you don't have to set everything again on every export:

[desert ridge]

Thanks very much

[balmy chasm]

Just a method of remodelling

[ember river]

Hey @cloud crypt you've mentioned having trouble merging your new stuff in the repo. Wanna send me the stuff so I can do the git work for you?

[cloud crypt]

Yaeh, but im at work right now

Ill send them when i am home

[jade briar]

@ember river

Have you merged the trees?

[ember river]

Not yet. The avenue medians I'm working on a new branch "common-walls-2"

[jade briar]

right

[ember river]

I'll be committing to it later on, for now its only on my machine

[jade briar]

Is each leaf modeled?

[spark moon]

Why my ai textures look like this

[balmy chasm]

Ai textures?

[ember river]

Yup. Used multiple geo nodes to scatter and assemble them all

[jade briar]

I see

[ember river]

Its borderlands now 😂
Seems to me that the normals strength were scaled waay up high

[spark moon]

Done with octotex 4x upscale

[spark moon]

Way to fix ?

[balmy chasm]

Ye, as E-Man said. You have to look what result AI produce

[spark moon]

Normals are from legacy

[ember river]

Depends if the textures are like that or if it is a global parameter under game setup> materials tab

[spark moon]

texttues move a littile i this its streched

[jade briar]

Are the textures octahedral?

[spark moon]

what ever octotex does

[ember river]

Wtf. Seems like some very cursed pom maps

[jade briar]

post the texture

[vague sparrow]

#1146726031022108752

[ember river]

Format to encoded normal maps on a 2-elements image (BC5)
Red for latitudinal spherical coordinate/angle, Green for longitudinal spherical coordinate/angle or something along these lines

[spark moon]

messed up

[vague sparrow]

the tool does all the encoding properly

[ember river]

Oh sorry, I misunderstood your answer

[vague sparrow]

its the POM

that's causing the issue

or wait....

hmm

[spark moon]

so no need to use pom with this game ?

[ember river]

Maybr the displaceIn parameter

[vague sparrow]

yes, just do normal PBR without POM

and then see

maybe its the encoding problem

i will talk with Alex then

if that's the case

[trail quail]

i am already here

[vague sparrow]

then you are lurking 😛

[trail quail]

Yup some games have a problems with pom and idk why

And even some maps in gmod

[spark moon]

i am using as u said
ai pom and roypughness
legcay normals and metalness

[trail quail]

Like bigcity have this problem in some places

But I noticed that on the last update of remix it's working much better now

i didn't tried bigcity

On the latest remix

But gm_construct appears to be amazingly fine with pom

[ember river]

It might be due to the width to height ratio, maybe, which is making the displaceIn param be proportional to the road's height when it should be by its width (roads are 1:8 ratio in u2 and mw)

[trail quail]

like yeah

[trail quail]

Maybe, I've noticed that on very stretched polygons

[ember river]

Hmm are you also computing and assigning displaceIn values per texture?

[trail quail]

ugh

Looks terrible

[trail quail]

Nope, does not implemented yet

[ember river]

Hmm so its using a global constant one

[trail quail]

I gonna do this in the next update, with slider to edit value on selected texture with preview

[trail quail]

yes

[ember river]

Good. You could compute an adequate value based on min(width, height) calc so it scales nicely

[spark moon]

and add the option to generate like only normals for all textures... and for others too

[trail quail]

Yeah that's a great idea btw

[trail quail]

Yeah you can do that with scripts already ( only for ai )

I gonna implement it to the GUI as well

[vague sparrow]

yeah remove POM

[trail quail]

With legacy generators too

[trail quail]

yes

Or scale down the pom

To zero

Maybe

That's the most fast way

in the remix menu

[ember river]

Depends if the runtime uses max(width, height) to scale the param or if it just reads the height ignoring width. On the second case, you just need to scale based on their aspect ratio

[trail quail]

I can implement it

[spark moon]

without pom

i reset teh config

more tweaks

[spark moon]

@jade briar how did u fixed restir glow...but i still dont get that issue on my old config as i said before

[jade briar]

it was a light causing problems

[spark moon]

lme check

[spark moon]

i ahve evry light off still has issue

[spark moon]

i ahve evry light off still has issue

[spark moon]

i never understood this but my old config saved me

[open atlas]

shouldnt all this be in a separate channel?

[cloud crypt]

Probably yes, but i think both games are underground games its fine

[cobalt peak]

Finally RTX Remix looks great again

[ember river]

@jade briar commited the latest changes. The new palms are on the common-walls-2 branch now if you wanna take a look

[jade briar]

Alright

[ember river]

The median I'm working atm is this one

[spark moon]

@jade briar light glow is happens when denoise is disabled

And i got the fix beacuse its RELAX is messing with lighting changed it to REblUR

[spark moon]

thats a big find it mess up with lot of games

[ember river]

Would you guys like to share some ideas of what to put in those banner ads? I was going to upscale them, maybe paint some generic illustration or whatever, but thought they could use some love.
Both flags are a single mesh, so we can slap different images on each side if necessary, and I can align 2 single sided faces to add written content readable by both directions.
As a reference, in Rodeo Drive those are used to make ads to Rodeo Drive events itself (and yes, they're hanging on light poles rather than on the trees, but fixing that loses the waving animations)

[spark moon]

easter

[cloud crypt]

ive started to rework the texture again, now the tiling is matching. Only have to create Pom and normal maps for it, but that wont take long

[jade briar]

I'm literally working on the first one right now

[cloud crypt]

i didnt made the sides, i made the underside

[jade briar]

I'm working on the sides right now

[cloud crypt]

i meant the tiling is matching with the tiling of the sides

the marked texture is the underside

[spark moon]

u can add her

she will be famous in city too

[sharp sinew]

You have to put something funny up here, a reference or something. "The city invested in Lamborghini's for cops and can't afford a better poster"

Or you know...something actually funny

[spark moon]

while racing everyone will be jaw droping and bump the cars

[ember river]

Some the sims/sim city type of news

[sharp sinew]

"This tree has more 500,000 tris"

[jade briar]

So hear me out.

You see these banners a lot while driving around the game.

They're quite iconic

So changing them would not be a very good idea

[sharp sinew]

Boo

Nicolas cage face

[jade briar]

If you really want to add an Easter egg, then do it the way portal did with the QR codes.

I'm sure we can figure out how to use that part of remix

It'll be a lot better than just having it in plain sight.

[desert ridge]

What do you think about including our name on the tire decal texture?

[jade briar]

That'd be cool

[cloud crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-salute-correct-you-gif-20627201

[ember river]

There is that colorful wall north city center cathedral under the highway overpass leading to the beach which could use some of that too

[cloud crypt]

without POM yet, just roughness, normals and basecolor

with pom

@ember river sry for the ping, but what do you think?

i would say a bit too reflective

[desert ridge]

I have edit all the broken glass textures and add a subtle emission effect to the road stub.

[hardy chasm]

Hi @ember river Would you mind to share your conf for this pretty vege modeling? We are doing some experiments and this is good scene to gather some perf data

[cloud crypt]

best i can do on myself

[sterile lake]

Hey folks, do you mind clarifying who a good point of contact would be for this project? I had a question i wanted to ask

[tawny elk]

[sterile lake]

can be multiple people

[tawny elk]

Maybe @ember river and @jade briar?

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, these 2 are fine, they both handle the repo so they may can help you

[jade briar]

Yeah, ask me or e-man. We've talked before

[cloud crypt]

@ember river here are my latest textures (i only added mine with specific folder and hashes) + usda files i added/changed

[cloud crypt]

what do you think of my bridge underside textures? Are they fine or should i change smth before eman is merging?

[jade briar]

So far so good

[ember river]

Oh, right, just came back home, @sterile lake @cloud crypt , gimme a second to sit back on my pc

[cloud crypt]

no problem

[ember river]

Sure. You can grab it from our repo in the common-walls-2 branch, right here: https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/tree/common-walls-2/rtx-remix/mods/gameReadyAssets/03_meshes/04_global/01_vegetation
We're using git LFS extension so you probably need to download the binaries (dds/usd) using git.
Or just use the attached zip file

[ember river]

The whole team of contributors so far afaik are me, @jade briar , @tawny elk , @cloud crypt , @balmy chasm , @safe patrol and most recently @desert ridge

[jade briar]

We've talked already

[hardy chasm]

Thanks for sharing, we will try it 🙂

[ember river]

Did you guys sort it out?

[jade briar]

yes

[sterile lake]

Thanks guys!

[ember river]

If you guys need access just lemme know so I can add you as collabs

[ember river]

Oh boy, I shared the wrong files, but if you clone the whole repo and hop into the common-walls-2 branch than everything should be fine. Those vegetation are in \rtx-remix\mods\gameReadyAssets\03_meshes\01_props\01_roadways\AvenueMedians

[ember river]

They seem a bit overly stretched both in the texture and in the game, as the round dots are elliptical and the mortar layer between the precast pieces is quite thick
Other than that, its looking pretty cool

[cloud crypt]

the streching is wanted, it should look like the mountings are angled

[ember river]

Thats pretty cool.
I've replaced the guard rails meshes already, so you might be working on a outdated branch. Try rebasing with main. If you use git on terminal:

# Save your work and then
git fetch
git checkout main
git reset --hard origin/main
git checkout your-current-branch
git rebase main

If there are conflicts, solve them, then git add . + git rebase --continue until it finishes rebasing the last commit

[ember river]

Oh I see. Diagonally drilled mount points inside the pieces. Sounds cool, though the first impression is: the texture has been stretched

[cloud crypt]

yeah, couldnt solve it better

in the files i shared there is also the new wall i made

that one

[ember river]

Maybe adam as an electrical engineer could assist with some concepts and ideas

[tawny elk]

Lemme go dig around for some details of that kind of overpass

They ain't got any holes

Digging deeper, the recessed bits in the original textures are from tie rods. Which end up getting covered unless they're desired by the client for the concrete look.

Oregon DOT specs them to be 3" (7.6cm) in diameter

I'd recommend just making the actual geometry of the indent.

Found some

[ember river]

So in order to keep the original look, I came up with this art for the ads. Any thoughts, changes or additions?

I'll be working on the supporting stand pieces yet

[ember cobalt]

is that supposed to be plastic? or more of a fabric

[ember river]

yup. Think the lighting isn't helping much, it looks ok in blender

[ember cobalt]

hm, yeah that looks better

[ember river]

I bumped roughness down a bit anyway, and found a good spot with strong distant light flashing over it

[sharp sinew]

that looks great

[cloud crypt]

Looks great man❤️🔥

[cloud crypt]

But pls, could we somehow fix that blue light that is everywhere in the city... its looking so god damn ugly

@ember river did you merged the files already or do you still have to?

[jade briar]

Looks good

Oh I was meaning to ask

What's an area in the game where we have the most amount of replacements

Don't say the main menu/speciality shops

[cloud crypt]

Hm, probably the city core if we count in emans mesh replacements

[ember river]

Think anti-frustum culling should do the trick, I've never managed to make it work on my machine though

[ember river]

Not yet. I was going to do that tonight. Do you need any chances before merge?

[cloud crypt]

Hm? What do you mean with chances? I thing you meant changes. But no, for the next release files are fine

I think meshreplacement for full highways isnt needed yet

And i am no good at modeling🤣😅

[ember river]

Yeah, think city center is the place, can't pinpoint an exact location though. I like fort union, casino and the main avenue, but mostly for the lighting and colors

[ember river]

Oh, sorry my fat fingers lol, "changes" it is.
Aight, think I'll just rearrange the files inside the new 02_materials folder structure since the textures folder is the legacy we're migrating from slowly

[ember river]

Not to mention they're a huge pain to replace with all the weird chopping this game have done to the road pieces

[cloud crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-i-understand-beavis-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-e1-s11-ok-i-get-it-gif-1430318270114032676

[humble niche]

It's hardcoded in right now, we discussed it more in Chess Titans a while back.

[desert ridge]

Aligning the UV mapping for the sprite sheet takes a significant amount of time. Unless I use actual geometry for each brick, it seems more practical to employ the traditional method of UV mapping.

If your guys don't mind, I'm considering modeling each brick as a real mesh. This approach would make UV mapping easier to handle.

[tawny elk]

You can use a generated height map and multi res mesh modifier to create the brick geometry easily if you’re using substance sampler or similar.

[desert ridge]

I am using Blender for modeling and texturing. The texture maps I'm using already include all PBR texture, which is why I don't need to use additional tools for texturing.

If I'm not required to create real bricks, perhaps I should explore alternative methods to simplify the UV mapping process.

[tawny elk]

Why are you using a sprite sheet? Couldn’t you chop up the sheet?

[jade briar]

Yo @ember river

Where are the sine walls textures located?

[desert ridge]

I vaguely recall someone suggesting a method, but I can't recall who it was. He recommended using single texture for interior textures to optimize memory usage and draw calls.

[jade briar]

Adam whe're you fixing this?

[blazing bone]

ADAMPLZFIX

[tawny elk]

It’s most likely fixed in my branch.

[jade briar]

Yeah well I don't see it in the main branch

So might as well consider it broken

[tawny elk]

I could create another branch and fix it and pray that it merges easily

[jade briar]

Adam bro pls

fix

Another interesting problem

[tawny elk]

If you do a capture you can just add the drawcall preserve to the mesh and not have to wait for me

[jade briar]

But it's all the more reason for you to do your thing

So I'll wait for you to merge

pls fix

[tawny elk]

My branch is so out of date that it probably needs redone again

[ember river]

02_materials\03_global\01_roads - E4F9C5352F0D7265_*.dds

[jade briar]

alright

Adam try not to fuck things up challenge (hard)

jk

i luv u babay ❤️

[tawny elk]

I’d probably want to redo the lighting with actual light fixtures and such instead of just floating sources if I were to do it again

[ember river]

I meant to share a same texture only for the interior walls, front, back, left, right, top and down of a room. The exterior you can do whatever you want. I'd recommend separate the brick walls in another mesh that only uses a single brick material so you can just map the UVs to tile many times and call it the day

[tawny elk]

(Impossible) [2023]

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

I’ll have to finish up my library of lights tho, they need PBR materials and better topology.

[jade briar]

uuhm

I think remix update broke the game

@ember river

@tawny elk

can u test

With latest bridge/dxvk

uh oh

[ember cobalt]

they updated the USD implementation

maybe that broke things 😦

[ember river]

Yup. @zinc meteor

Coding Error (secondary thread): in _DeclareType at line 629 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\base\plug\plugin.cpp -- The metadata for plugin 'usdLux' defined in  declares type 'UsdLuxCylinderLight' with base type 'UsdLuxLight', but the type has already been declared with a different set of bases that does not include that type.  The existing bases are: (UsdLuxBoundableLightBase ).  Please fix the plugin.
Coding Error (secondary thread): in _DeclareType at line 629 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\base\plug\plugin.cpp -- The metadata for plugin 'usdLux' defined in  declares type 'UsdLuxDiskLight' with base type 'UsdLuxLight', but the type has already been declared with a different set of bases that does not include that type.  The existing bases are: (UsdLuxBoundableLightBase ).  Please fix the plugin.
Coding Error (secondary thread): in _DeclareType at line 629 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\base\plug\plugin.cpp -- The metadata for plugin 'usdLux' defined in  declares type 'UsdLuxDistantLight' with base type 'UsdLuxLight', but the type has already been declared with a different set of bases that does not include that type.  The existing bases are: (UsdLuxNonboundableLightBase ).  Please fix the plugin.
Coding Error (secondary thread): in _DeclareType at line 629 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\base\plug\plugin.cpp -- The metadata for plugin 'usdLux' defined in  declares type 'UsdLuxDomeLight' with base type 'UsdLuxLight', but the type has already been declared with a different set of bases that does not include that type.  The existing bases are: (UsdLuxNonboundableLightBase ).  Please fix the plugin.
Coding Error (secondary thread): in _DeclareType at line 629 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\base\plug\plugin.cpp -- The metadata for plugin 'usdLux' defined in  declares type 'UsdLuxGeometryLight' with base type 'UsdLuxLight', but the type has already been declared with a different set of bases that does not include that type.  The existing bases are: (UsdLuxNonboundableLightBase ).  Please fix the plugin.
Coding Error (secondary thread): in _DeclareType at line 629 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\base\plug\plugin.cpp -- The metadata for plugin 'usdLux' defined in  declares type 'UsdLuxRectLight' with base type 'UsdLuxLight', but the type has already been declared with a different set of bases that does not include that type.  The existing bases are: (UsdLuxBoundableLightBase ).  Please fix the plugin.
Coding Error (secondary thread): in _DeclareType at line 629 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\base\plug\plugin.cpp -- The metadata for plugin 'usdLux' defined in  declares type 'UsdLuxSphereLight' with base type 'UsdLuxLight', but the type has already been declared with a different set of bases that does not include that type.  The existing bases are: (UsdLuxBoundableLightBase ).  Please fix the plugin.
Coding Error (secondary thread): in _DeclareType at line 629 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\base\plug\plugin.cpp -- The metadata for plugin 'usdVol' defined in  declares type 'UsdVolFieldBase' with base type 'UsdGeomBoundable', but the type has already been declared with a different set of bases that does not include that type.  The existing bases are: (UsdGeomXformable ).  Please fix the plugin.
Coding Error (secondary thread): in _GetPluginForType at line 147 of E:\Work\GIT\OpenUSD\pxr\usd\ar\resolver.cpp -- Failed to find plugin for ArDefaultResolver
Segmentation fault

At boot time

[jade briar]

mark help

[zinc meteor]

If you're building it yourself, you need to regenerate the build directories

#general-remix message

[ember river]

That one I grabed directly from the actions builds

[zinc meteor]

I just noticed that the actions package doesn't actually include any USD library files.

so uh... yeah, that's not going to work.

[ember river]

Hmm, need to update bridge as well then?

[jade briar]

I downloaded via auto downloader

Pretty sure it updated the bridge as well

[ember river]

Hmm bridge also doesn't includes the USD libs

[zinc meteor]

bridge doesn't include the usd dll's either

I'm following up internally to figure out how to get the updated usd dll files released properly

[ember river]

Think the 0.2.0 release has it

[jade briar]

alright

[zinc meteor]

the ones in 0.2.0 are the old ones.

[spark moon]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/6341325764

[tawny elk]

Mark fixed it

[zinc meteor]

err, not yet, still working on it

[tawny elk]

Mark didn’t fix it

[ember river]

Mark not pls fix

[jade briar]

mark

pls bro

[severe solstice]

[desert ridge]

OK

[cloud crypt]

Adam makes me sad🥲

[tawny elk]

It’s okay it happens

[cloud crypt]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/6343653034

[zinc meteor]

Latest build includes the usd folder. any volunteers to test if it actually works?
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/6344554261

[jade briar]

It works!

Mark fixed it

[cloud crypt]

what works

[jade briar]

Latest dxvk broke some stuff

It's fixed now

[cloud crypt]

i dont experience any change...

[jade briar]

Did you update dxvk?

[cloud crypt]

yes

[jade briar]

when

[cloud crypt]

2 hours ago

[jade briar]

idk what's wrong with your computer then

For everyone else, it was broken

[cloud crypt]

also, i have this ugly as hell problem

weird blue light coming from everywhere

[jade briar]

Turn down sky brightness

[cloud crypt]

its on lowest setting

[jade briar]

idk then

Just reinstall

Or maybe reinstall the rtx.conf

[cloud crypt]

well its still there, but not as bright, was 0.1... im stupid, its now 0.01

[jade briar]

hmm

[cloud crypt]

i can help you if you tell me what i need to do and in which number range i shall work

[tawny elk]

For what?

[cloud crypt]

light rework

[tawny elk]

Dunno. I'm going to be putting together my light fixture library so I don't have floating light sources for the most part

[cloud crypt]

what do you mean with floating lights? lights like these which are coming out of nowhere?

[tawny elk]

Yep

[cloud crypt]

ah ok

for that to fix we need to add meshes if im not incorrect

[tawny elk]

Yep

Going to be cooking up some nice models so I have a nice little library

[cloud crypt]

👍

[spiral fable]

I am sure this is not gonna stir things up

[trail quail]

Oh I'm not alone

[spiral fable]

Nah, you good bro, discord it’s just being funky this morning

[trail quail]

It's morning for you???

Gosh my brain is not braining when I see the time difference between timezones woow

[cloud crypt]

Here in Germany it is 15:34 or 3:34pm

[ember river]

10:43 🇧🇷

[tawny elk]

When I went to the west coast last week, utc-8, it messed up my whole mental schedule. Everything was happening in the middle of the day for me. Since I’m in typically in utc-5.

[trail quail]

It is 8 pm for me

[spark moon]

half an hour behind

[vague sparrow]

Neep Faw spood

[ember river]

hoy hoy, wait a minute. What happened to the chain link fences? They're tucked inside the concrete base, as if the Xform transforms weren't applied

[cloud crypt]

No idea

Didnt change anything on them

[ember river]

This is how they should look like, just went to the same place and they're ok on my end I'm using latest builds #257

[cloud crypt]

Me too

When you merged my files i will copy the repo again. Dont know what could cause that

[trail quail]

Fuck @jade briar come back to ug2 remix where you at

[jade briar]

I'm literally here

[trail quail]

🥺 the saviour, what are you guys doing these days

[jade briar]

Making a mod

[vague sparrow]

liar

[jade briar]

true

[trail quail]

your pants on fire

[jade briar]

not

[blazing bone]

??????

Dude

[cloud crypt]

Were literally working on the mod all day

I kinda miss the old lighting...
https://youtu.be/l26g9nqaAco?si=2X78UrU3648JpVuZ

[surreal ruin]

THe current more blue sky certainly does change the mood a lot

The light polution of the city doesn't really feel like it's there anymore

[cloud crypt]

I meant the road/streetlights, the new sky is great

[surreal ruin]

Hmmm yeah, what happened to the reflective roads?

[cloud crypt]

These got abandoned by eman

[tawny elk]

They dried up

[cloud crypt]

🤣

[ember river]

I see the new lighting as being more accurate to real life, but the disposition of light poles and lamps are really bad

[tawny elk]

I’ll cook up some more no worries.

I gotta finish cooking up my meshes in substance painter a few times till I like em

[ember river]

Think the big next move would be Adam's light fixtures lib to add lamps where there are none

[desert ridge]

i found some texture wrongly add to taillight

[surreal ruin]

Naw naw it's modern art mate

[cloud crypt]

But poeple dont want realistic lighting, they want good looking lighting that matches the old game

[jade briar]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[desert ridge]

Oops, must be too old, have no understanding of modern art.🤣

[ember river]

I feel it, for real. I think we're now making a step back to work up some momentum forward. Once we start adding light poles and other lamps the the environment, things will start to come together 😉

Stuff like these lights poles from rodeo drive for the main avenue

[surreal ruin]

Just don't go overboard with adding lights, it can very easily become messy and noisy, you want to avoid that

Keep lights where they have to be for gameplay, clarity is key

[desert ridge]

Another mystery hole to the other world.

[tawny elk]

Maybe I just wipe out the lighting usda and start from scratch, again, if there’s all these issues

I feel like it’s so much work to refactor what’s there

[desert ridge]

@ember river Maybe I merge my Github repo first, there are many texture changes already.

[surreal ruin]

I've not actually seen your work so don't take my words as critique!

Just very important to keep in mind

[tawny elk]

I’ve seen it and it’s sloppy and annoying to work with

[surreal ruin]

In a racing game it's important that things are clear and the players eyes are not distracted

[ember river]

Nah, just add a subway surfers gameplay loop on the bottom corner and call it the day, as burrito suggested

[surreal ruin]

😭

[cloud crypt]

Adam, i like your lights, not all of them. I think i only dont agree with highway and some in city core, but thats all. But you probably should rework them completly. Not because we would think theyre shit (theyre not, i only dont go with highway and some city core lights and they are maybe a liittle bit too bright), no, just because of stability problems we have with the current ones

[tawny elk]

Yea I agree. I’m not happy with a majority of them and we have way better tooling now which would improve the result.

[ember river]

Thats a hell lotta of work to start from scratch. Wouldn't it be easier to just sort the biggest issues first and progressively fix smaller ones as we move or you guys think would be easier to start over?

If so, lets at least wrap it up as is and get a new release bundled together please

[cloud crypt]

I would think its easier to start from scratch

[tawny elk]

I would prefer a do over. It’s not as bad as you think since so much repeats. If you have an assembled capture of the whole city I’d could go even faster.

[cloud crypt]

Yeah of course, thats first priority

[ember river]

I thought about a uber capture, but they are harder to get than we anticipated. The inst_HASH_x prims would overlap and replace one another, losing a lot of content on the process

[cloud crypt]

Did merged my files already?

sorry for asking this much, buts important for next release XD

[tawny elk]

I never had a problem with the instance hashes colliding.

OV slowing down yea, but that’s about it.

[ember river]

Not yet, got sidetracked from the project a bit
I'm just finishing some renders for portfolio stuff and will be working on that first thing before going back to my branch

[ember river]

I've seen some oddities from 5~6 captures I merged a while ago. Many stuff went missing or missaligned somehow, can't describe as it has been a while. Ended up ditching it

[tawny elk]

Gotta order them in the order they were taken.

[ember river]

Some day I'll write a python script to merge them properly, but its not today

[tawny elk]

Oldest on the bottom and newest on the top from what I remember

[ember river]

Thing is, if you have inst_1234_0 in one capture and merge with another capture which also defines another object as being the inst_1234_0, the one from the previous capture should be redefined and will be missing. Gotta test that though

[tawny elk]

So I’m thinking wipe out all the building lighting, keep the highway lighting, and then start rework on the main strip. Does that work?

[cloud crypt]

No, do you want to make me angry and sad at the same time

😂

[cloud crypt]

watch from 1:55, highway like this or nearly like this and it would be perfect highway athmosphere

[tawny elk]

Would you rather just rework areas at a time then?

[cloud crypt]

1 area at a time i would say

when we have the next release we can take all time we want for that so it can get good

[surreal ruin]

Is it just me or are the black levels really raised here?

Everything looks really grey

Does the current mod look that way too?

[cloud crypt]

nope, its an old setting of me

[surreal ruin]

Aaah okay roger!

[cloud crypt]

i only shared the video because of the lighting, i think it looks better than that what we have now and it was not that flickiry

[surreal ruin]

Yeah got you!

[cloud crypt]

why is it so noisy? and why do the textures look like that

your normal or height maps are wayy to powerful or have the wrong details implemented

[spark moon]

i dont know why i am liking it

[spark moon]

denoise is disabled

[cloud crypt]

and whats wrong with the textures

[spark moon]

nothings wrongs it the tone maping i think

[cloud crypt]

no, they are off, and not only i would say that

[ember river]

They're ai generated afaik. That is the confusion

[jade briar]

Typical ai textures

[cloud crypt]

AI Textures = Bad

[balmy chasm]

I mean, it is more about finding a compromise between two. In-game lights are so much artificial, that they are used to control the scene lit level precisely. For example, the shading of a car and areas without light sources. Following original lights only will result in perfectly black image in unlit areas and perfectly black car paint due to correct reflections implementation in most cases. And sometimes it is literally impossible to repeat shading/lighting from original game. So we have to improvise to get things working with RT based engine. And most of the time ignoring direct covertion of lights from original game

[timid prairie]

If you using RT lighting and want to make it simillar to Original, compromise is the only way

[dapper root]

Hey guys, how to improve performance on RTX 3070?

[vague sparrow]

Turn on DLSS ultra quality

[sharp sinew]

change your render resolution down to 1080p

[dapper root]

Already did that, it's the only way to have above 15fps

[dapper root]

Ok ill give that a try

[trail quail]

Wait what?? How much fps do you have?

Ah, you're higher than 1080p

[cloud crypt]

Turn to performance. Should run smooth

[teal wolf]

guys

my game is runnig in slow motion help

i have a 4060 laptop

fps is around 40 but the game runs in slow motion

nvm

i fixed it

[jade briar]

[teal wolf]

what do i do about ghosting tho

i have 5 car behinds in my screen

[jade briar]

That's a dlss thing

[teal wolf]

shit then

thanks tho man

[trail quail]

Waiting for ray reconstruction, day 3

[balmy chasm]

Why day 3?

[trail quail]

Cuz I've started counting 3 days ago

[jade briar]

Understandable

[teal wolf]

bro there was a custom denoiser zip file over here

does that fix the issue?

[jade briar]

where

[teal wolf]

wait

this one

but my lighting is fucked up

its all dark now

[cloud crypt]

My denoise settings dont fuck up lighting and denoising

E-man tested it

Its a problem of your own

[teal wolf]

how

[cloud crypt]

But i wouldnt recommend to replace the dlss

[teal wolf]

the lighting was fine before i used

oh

i replaced the dlss

[cloud crypt]

Thats the problem

[teal wolf]

okay then

lemme see

nope

[novel sparrow]

Okay guys I have a dumb question. I installed the mod, but it looks too dark and textures look awful ( old game). I've seen people working here on some textures. Is there official texture mod for this, or can I use anything I want?

[cloud crypt]

You installed it wrong

Its not a problem with denoise

[teal wolf]

wdym

[cloud crypt]

Old files, new release coming soon

[novel sparrow]

Ok

[teal wolf]

is there an updated tutorial

[cloud crypt]

No

Not needed

If you follow it correct there will ne nothing wrong

[teal wolf]

yeah it was finr but a lost of ghosting in dlss quality

i tried ur zip thats it

[cloud crypt]

And you need the latest dxvk and bridge remix

[teal wolf]

bayview didnt pay electricity bills

[teal wolf]

i have latest ones

[cloud crypt]

My zip is fine, e-man approved it

Just reinstall everything, dont touch the files in zip and adjust the settings just from the pictures in the zip and you will be fine

[teal wolf]

oh yea once it came after removing zip okay

then it crashed

when i relaunched same lights gone

i reset settings everything was bright but graphics were f ed up

[teal wolf]

oh ok brother ill try once again

just replacing your rtx conf must do the job right

or should i change in menu also

[cloud crypt]

Not only, also the settings from pictures

[teal wolf]

oh okay brp

where to find main

[cloud crypt]

Cant tell you rn, i am not at home

[teal wolf]

oh ok bro

just tag message whenever available

[novel sparrow]

Oh one more thing. When I visit the body shop, there is no lighting in it. I have the Anti culling installed

[jade briar]

Can you show a screenshot of what the game looks like in open world

[jade briar]

Looks about right

oh

wait

That's the 0.2 build

Yeah that's about expected

[novel sparrow]

Yup, thats the one I saw

Is there new one or is it still WIP?

[cloud crypt]

WIP

[jade briar]

You can download from github, but the installation is a little complicated,

[cloud crypt]

Not only a little🤣 i wouldnt recommend to do it with git bash

[dapper root]

How?

[vague sparrow]

someday, im going to be that guy who will mess up the UG2 installation

and burrito will be there

looking disappointed

😢

[balmy chasm]

👍

[cloud crypt]

Were all looking disappointed

[teal wolf]

Widescreen ini set fps limit from -1 to 0

[cloud crypt]

Yes

[spark moon]

hows it now

[cloud crypt]

Better

Still not perfect, but better

You could keep them for now

[spark moon]

slightly bumped normal strength in remix..

[severe solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/518268228993286150/1155429826560262322/this_bitch_my_numba_1_opp.gif

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-black-cat-meme-gif-24606499

[tawny elk]

Lamp

[jade briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158084453000810596/1158137638872698911/image.png?ex=651b273a&is=6519d5ba&hm=b041c169a668beb591dca58e351ef0ce44c0713badb5cc887818f6fc0697c4e2&

thing

[jade briar]

@ember river @tawny elk @desert ridge

[jade briar]

where did y'all go

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

how the texture look?

[spark moon]

nah even in motion their edge lines are visible

[jade briar]

That's...

The pont

[spark moon]

Sky looks awesome

[spark moon]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-derp-gif-23768721

are u talking about roads texture.

[jade briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046062598447169676/1156227613254230036/image.png?ex=651acbe0&is=65197a60&hm=d39d894678a695c0fead593f16bc075af444f96c4185508a73292addfba25afd&

gta V

[jade briar]

yes

[spark moon]

dosent blend well

[jade briar]

Blend with what?

[spark moon]

ma bad talking about tiling

[jade briar]

Yes I know about tiling

It was juast a test

[spark moon]

aw

[spark moon]

yeah that will look cool... but those look good only in highways

[jade briar]

yeah

[spark moon]

newer nfs hot pursuit have those looks awesome

[jade briar]

Also this scene looks too different from the original

[ember river]

Looking really good. Though the seams can be disorienting/nauseating if played long enough. I'm not home, looking from my phone rn. Can you send pics of how it looks? I think the grain textures of the pavement are looking pretty good but can't zoom into videos to check

[jade briar]

Yeah you can zoom

Have you tried?

[ember river]

Wtf

[ember river]

Now I have lol

[jade briar]

[ember river]

Cool

This brushed asphalt look surely looks nice for highways as mentioned. You could create a separate material and assign them to selected road meshes rather than the global one

[ember river]

Hellraven mentioned a planned rework on them. I think for this release we could adjust the lights so it matches the current tonemapper again, and then a rework would be nice for a next one
What you guys think?

[jade briar]

Was messing with the exposure values

before and after

[desert ridge]

Very Nice

[cloud crypt]

These roads are ugly as fuck

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, a lighting rework would be nessecary for the future because tje lighting right now dint fit the game. Also as burrito mentioned we have to redo the main menu garage. The main issue is the floor and the lighting. If you compare it to an oöd version of me you will se what i mean

Very early version i made

Probably the first one

Dont have the pictures of the second 1 i made i think

Ah here it is, sry for bad quality, had to cut it out of my community tab on YouTube

@ember river if youre online again pls tell me what you think. With adams help we could turn these 2 concept into something phenomenal

[ember river]

For me, once we wrap up a new release, we could dive straight into remeshing this whole scene, not just lighting and textures

[cloud crypt]

would be better

[ember river]

If you guys could do the least amount of work to get the current lighting as close as possible as the old pics before the release, it would also be great

[cloud crypt]

i could hop into it

[cloud crypt]

comin closer @ember river

[jade briar]

Those windows

[cloud crypt]

Adam, what do you think? Change floor or let it stay for now?

[jade briar]

Fix them

Too bright

[cloud crypt]

didnt changed them yet if you meant the right front one and the ones behind... these are emissives i think, but i will see what i can do

[jade briar]

The ones in the back

They look so weird

[cloud crypt]

ok, i will see if i can change that

shall the floor stay, or should i change it?

[jade briar]

Floor is fine

[cloud crypt]

i meant the one on the platform

[jade briar]

That can be changed

[cloud crypt]

ok

better

[jade briar]

Compare with original

[jade briar]

Ughhhhhhhhhhhh

Ok

[cloud crypt]

im on it

[cloud crypt]

too brown i think

[ember river]

I think this one would look great if you tune the brightness pretty low as if there were no lights inside the building (probably a out of business safehouse), the curtains would be lit by the outside lighting

[cloud crypt]

fot that i would to have somehow restore the original textures

ah, here they are

[ember river]

You could desaturate and darken them so the interior yellow lighting would be gone

[cloud crypt]

wont get any better without full mesh replacements

i will do the rest after work , for now, i have to go to bed. hopefully its ok for you on how the lobby is going to look

[balmy chasm]

That's not like I'm strict on which light you use on background. But, please, lit up the car. Player have to see it. When you put just a single light from behind the camera, it lits up the front part of the car and goes deep dark to the rear

[balmy chasm]

Also I'd like you to finally describe what 'original' means for this project. How far from original assets we can go. What to prioritize the most. Which result is desirable, in short. And describe that in details please

[cloud crypt]

I put 3 lights, 1 slighly higher and in f4ont of the car, the other 2 more from the side. As i said i will work on that again when im back from work

[balmy chasm]

I just noticed such approach previously. Looking forward at what you bake now

[desert ridge]

Just a small suggestion, could we make the scene wider to accommodate super wide screens, like 21:9 or even 34:9? It would be great to have some assets in front of the car. If we can figure out how to use PBR materials for every car, they could reflect objects, but not a plain black background.

[balmy chasm]

Only with mesh replacement. And yeah, we know about these borders for a long period of time. They're present in most lobbies for now, so I tended to place a light source from the null side of a scene

[ember river]

Hey @jade briar IIRC you were working on those world space jersey barriers a while ago, right?
Just noticed that the slanted bottom of it could (maybe) be simulated using POM, if you wanna give it a shot

[jade briar]

uhhhhh

That'd look bad

I'm not sure if it'll work

[spark moon]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-wall-harrypotter-harry-potter-gif-5046633

[ember river]

I think its worth a shot, as the POM tends to "inset" the surface to the point of being able to see the world void if you overdo it. The pic is just for POM reference

[jade briar]

hmm

[ember river]

Actually, a quick test would be pretty easy, lemme cook

[jade briar]

But I think 8 bit texture might not have the accuracy.

[ember river]

Hmm yeah

[jade briar]

Yeah test it out

see what happens

[ember river]

It actually works surprisingly well, though it breaks a bit at grazing angles

float inputs:displace_in = 0.006

@cloud crypt here is the PR merging your stuff. I reestructured your files inside the johnny decimals structure so you might see the files changed are a bit different than what you sent me, but its all there. Just need someone to click on "approve" to merge
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/111

[jade briar]

Huh. Not bad

[desert ridge]

done

[ember river]

Hey @desert ridge , what should be reviewed on your PRs exactly (glass-material and hemry81:main)?

[desert ridge]

Replacing many textures and using glass materials for almost all headlights and taillights. However, we still need to fix the emission textures for some of the headlights and taillights.

[ember river]

Its mostly work on cars, right?

[desert ridge]

yes

[ember river]

@desert ridge left some comments for yah 😉

[cloud crypt]

Thx

[dapper root]

Wow this looks quite good

[cloud crypt]

im going back into stuff now. I have no work the next 2 days so i defenetly will get the Lobby finished. I dont know who made the textures of the walls and the garage doors. I kinda want to take the albedo, make it a bit better with better maps and pom

but if you guys say its not needed for the next release its fine for me, since we`re ganna re-mesh everything

[cloud crypt]

made the lights which are comin from the sides a bit brighter

[cloud crypt]

fixed too high brightness of UG2 logo

that was before

what to do with these? they ruin the scenery

better Platform

its this testure

creating better roughness map and a height map

[ember river]

looking good. I'm afraid the ground mesh uvs will massacre your textures though

[cloud crypt]

well no, i have no problems at all

they look good ingame

[cloud crypt]

its literally this texture

[ember river]

hmm ok. Thought the texel density would be really bad

[cloud crypt]

burrito doesnt want me to change the ground texture but platform is ok

[cloud crypt]

ok, i think this is good

i also could try this one, but dont know about that

[ember river]

Nah, this seems to be a heavy pavement. Don't think those turn tables structures would be made out of something like that

[cloud crypt]

ok, the one i currently use it is then

[ember river]

Oh, idk if you noticed btw, but I merged your stuff already earlier when hemry approved them

[cloud crypt]

hm?

[ember river]

The highways underside and cobble brick walls POM textures

[cloud crypt]

ah yeah, they are merged now, ive seen that already

Before

after

for the background skyline

should i turn down the light brightness?

would look like this then

[ember river]

the bright bg doesn't helps much visualizing the right brightness

though, those are daytime buildings

[cloud crypt]

hm ok, let me see if i can find smth different

[ember river]

I wonder if some upscaling AI wouldn't cut it already

I'm afraid the OG ones are quite iconic view of the city

[cloud crypt]

yeah, but they are ugly af

[desert ridge]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/109
I updated some screenshots with the textures that I recreated.

[cloud crypt]

i could do smth with these

[ember river]

wow, those are looking good

[ember cobalt]

those would be really nice

OG ones never looks really appealing to me

[ember river]

thinking about some seattle references like this

[cloud crypt]

let me see if i can cook smth with these, i alsways can change them again when they arent appealing

[ember river]

the blacks are much more pronounced

[desert ridge]

This is the city where I live, and the view of the harbor is incredibly beautiful.

[ember river]

IMO if you could make this image closer to the brightness levels (contrast, mid tones, etc.) of that seattle pic, it would be perfect

[cloud crypt]

nice easteregg then XD

[ember river]

come on man, go grab some nice pics for us, please
lets photoscan the whole thing, thats it

[desert ridge]

I don't have a good camera, I just use my iPhone to take pictures. You know, the iPhone doesn't capture night photos very well.🥲

[ember river]

Keep it positive: Your competitor is this blurry thing

[cloud crypt]

🤣

[desert ridge]

One of the Easter egg textures has severe stretching in the middle, so I had to split the name at two side. I might fix this issue by replacing the mesh in the future.

[ember river]

Thank you my man, thats pretty sweet, and helps a lot on reviewing

[jade briar]

amazing

[jade briar]

But do these work if you modify the wheels?

[ember river]

for now, just smile & wave boys

[cloud crypt]

the best i can do, elsewise the details get lost

[ember river]

lemme try something

[cloud crypt]

do you need the picture?

i just used a camera raw filter

[desert ridge]

I haven't replaced all the tire textures yet, only two of them for now. However, I have already created a template to replace the other textures, making it easier to do so.

[ember river]

if you could drop the raw png would help surely

though I can grab from discord if it doesn't distorts the image too much

[cloud crypt]

this is how it would look with black background

i also could add a mountain to it to get the "heights" into the scenery

[desert ridge]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/m5svMQWrcCehko5a8
You can find some references for creating backgrounds by using Google Maps.

[jade briar]

Mna

Man

I spent the past 3 hours making smth in blender

Completely unrelated to this project

Feels like wasting time

[ember river]

Looking good. I've got this, could yout try it?

[cloud crypt]

this has some really bright edges

[ember river]

sorry, transparency got lost in the baggage

[cloud crypt]

is it the same?

[desert ridge]

Don't worry, I often find myself doing things without really understanding why.

[jade briar]

I was doing a lighting study lol

Testing out complementary colors based on a pallet

[ember river]

I rebalanced the colors a bit trying to get something closer to a cinematic tonemap (take that with a huge grain of salt)

[cloud crypt]

ok

[ember river]

looking really good

the eyes look misaligned though, like the right one is looking at the camera and the left just forward
other than that, perfect

[desert ridge]

The character looks good, but I always end up creating characters that fall into the Uncanny Valley. As a result, I have decided to stop making characters.

[jade briar]

Nah, it's just the funky eyes.

[jade briar]

I know. Making good looking realistic characters is really hard. This character is from cyberpunk.

[cloud crypt]

i still added a camera raw filter and rebalanced the colors a bit and put on some color grading

just to get rid of the bright edges

[ember river]

nice. That got rid of that red fog near the neon signs/outdoor screens

[ember river]

sry, meant "billboard screens". For some reason in BR we call those "Outdoors"

[cloud crypt]

now help...

[ember river]

you prolly wanna set that as a emissive texture rather than the diffuse input

[cloud crypt]

ah ok, make sense

[ember river]

that plane isn't lit by any source

@desert ridge Those water textures look pretty, but since the translucent material is sort of nerfed, we can't have partial transparency or cutouts right? They look like some really thick laminar flow jets. I like them nonetheless 😅

[cloud crypt]

looking like ice, sry

not pretty bright

but defenetly fitting more

[ember river]

yup, in motion it helps a bit. Once we get some improvements to the translucent material that would benefit quite a lot

[ember river]

hmm they look a bit too saturated

[cloud crypt]

ill fix that, wait a minute

but in photoshop they arent that saturated

[ember river]

city lights as reference

[desert ridge]

Translucent material transparency is not working, so I added a white color border instead. Perhaps using a normal map without an albedo texture would be a better solution

[ember river]

Hmmm maybe. If you could replicate the look of water dropplets flying along the mesh surface that could look really good

[desert ridge]

I'll attempt to make it tonight, but I have to go to work.

[cloud crypt]

hm, this texture just dowsnt want to work

[cloud crypt]

no matter what i do, BC3 or BC7, it allways looks like that

with 0.1 emissive power

its pretty dark

0.2

[ember river]

Its looking good. That sky bg isn't helping much. For some reason its way brighter than regular skybox even though they share the same material

[cloud crypt]

thats how the Lobby currently looks after lighting rework. I couldnt do a full rework for now since i am not sure if it even is needed for now (smth like new angles, softer lighing etc). For now i just equalized brightness, color temperature and reworked the platform texture, the windows and the cityscape

And that is the reference from burritos video

and here is what OG game would look like

[jade briar]

Much better

However

I have an idea

What if

You render a background image

hold on

Lemme cook

I have an idea

@cloud crypt

can u send the background image

I have an idea

[cloud crypt]

yeah sure

as dds or png?

[jade briar]

png

[cloud crypt]

wait a minute

the big one and the shorten one

[jade briar]

Which one did yopu use in the game?

[cloud crypt]

short

[jade briar]

okay

time to cook

@cloud crypt

So I rendered

Fog

Like

Volumetric fog

In front of the image

Can you put that in front of the buildings and see how it looks?

[cloud crypt]

hm, let me see

well, that is not working

but a good idea, buildings looking better, but that black line is bad

For now i go to sleep, see ya in some hours for the next steps in the lobby rework

[jade briar]

make it emissive

But I'll see what to do with it

[cloud crypt]

I did

[balmy chasm]

Hi. You've missed this border texture though. It is unique for this platform, so you can change it no worries. Also you've been testing lights with default car material. Consider applying reflective material first

[balmy chasm]

You should have added light fog(or desaturate), not blur. Blurred background can work if you simulate camera DoF across all the scene only. And the fog is a common trick to show of the depth of the scene

[cloud crypt]

Yeah i know, but somehow adding reflective car material makes the car black xD

[balmy chasm]

That's what I mean apparently. It reflects black environment in the scene. So you need to solve this issue as well

[cloud crypt]

Hm?

Thats not what i meant

[cloud crypt]

working on it

[cloud crypt]

Here are the maps, can you tell me if i need to rework something? I hope they work as intended:

Albedo

Emissive

Normal

Roughness

[balmy chasm]

Explain that

[ember river]

If your goal is to make retroreflective arrow signs in the platform, the emissive intensity should be incredibly low. You can use the guard rails I did as reference. They're something below 0.05 iirc (the intensity constant)

[cloud crypt]

What eman said

[cloud crypt]

Yeah i know

[ember river]

Also paint layers contributes little to not at all to the height of a surface. Is it intended to be paint?

[cloud crypt]

Oh, well, i should have used the roughness map as input to create the normal

The text and signs shouldnt be in there

[ember river]

Oh ok

Also dirt layers are almost unoticeable in normal maps, so if you'll be using rough map, just tune it down for the dirt layers and it should look great 😉

[balmy chasm]

Try that on mesh now. If I remember correctly it has tricky texel density. And make sure to blend the upper part into the platform surface

[cloud crypt]

I could make the upper part tranculent, should work the same

[balmy chasm]

This one

[cloud crypt]

just let me cook XD

[ember river]

If the seams becomes a problem you can go the other way around: Make them pop. Make an actual gap between the metal sheets as they'd be assembled

Sometimes intentionality beats perfectionism

[balmy chasm]

If there was an actual reference to such solution

[cloud crypt]

well, in materialize it looks like that for now with new normal map

the part below the yellow stripe you cant see ingame, so the edges arent a problem

also it isnt meant to be dirt, its ment to be rust

[balmy chasm]

Rust appear over edges and in spots, not leaks

[ember river]

Hmm rust has some layer of complexity. The actual rusty bits aren't metallic

[cloud crypt]

hm ok, well, we will see how it looks ingame

[tawny elk]

To get the look of paint/vinyl, you’ll want it to have a lower roughness than the metal as paint smooths out the roughness.

[ember river]

There is this too

[ember river]

Yeah. Paint also isn't metallic, and they might help prevent a little bit of rust, so you might want to differentiate the rust levels on the metallic bits from the painted surface

[balmy chasm]

@ember river Can you remind me a thing. Have you remodeled all the middle sections of wide roads with that curve based geometry network?

[ember river]

You mean the avenue medians?

[balmy chasm]

I guess. You said they follow a spline curve in your project

[cloud crypt]

to take a closer look

[ember river]

Ah yeah, they do, and are somewhat of a pain to assemble, but I'm getting the hang of it. I've only worked on that specific median from the pics I've sent so far, which is the city core main avenue, second median between the two tunnels entrances

[balmy chasm]

Are you planning to replace all of the same medians, right?

[balmy chasm]

Tile it twice, ye

[ember river]

Nice. Though they're a bit w i d e

[ember river]

Yeah, though I don't want to just replicate exactly the same design on every one. Some of them are fenced grass patches close to the ground, while other are actual walls, and also thinking about landscaping design, variety and so on

[cloud crypt]

emissive intensity is about 0.02

you guys think i should redo the albedo and emissive to fit the tiling?

[balmy chasm]

For sure 😅

[ember river]

Not redo, just get the final images and tile them a bit in PS or someother app

Tbh honest, the tricky part is to find how much the image should be stretched to accommodate the UVs, so if you can import the mesh in blender and play a bit with it would be best

Once you find the stretching factor, you can open your images in PS, resize the canvas so there will be white space left to the right of the image, and duplicate it to fit. There will be seams, sadly, which you need to deal with

[cloud crypt]

Well, i have no clue of blender😂😂

[balmy chasm]

You can try to eyeball it based on my texture after all

[ember river]

Good one

Circle shapes are great for telling whether something is stretched or not

[tawny elk]

Using your plugin for OV and a UV editing software you can fix UVs real quick.

[cloud crypt]

texture now matches the mesh

[ember river]

I should spend some more time working on that tool and record a video on how to use it

[balmy chasm]

It works with replacing mesh and saving a copy in the mod folder, right?

[ember river]

From your original pics, the triangle are equilateral

[balmy chasm]

Repeat it 2.5 times exactly

[cloud crypt]

uh, as i said, i cant use blender, dont know shit about it

[balmy chasm]

Just squash it in PS or whatever you use

[ember river]

2.5 is your stretch factor. Resize the canvas width to 2.5 the resolution

Keep in mind textures need to be powers of 2 afaik, so you'll still need to resize the final image to fit

[cloud crypt]

now they are looking like this

[ember river]

Hmmm almost there 🤏

[cloud crypt]

if i tile them more they get streched upwards, already tested it

[ember river]

Are you using 2.5?
Could you try 3x?

[balmy chasm]

As you can see I tested 2.5 and it was perfectly fine

[cloud crypt]

i am using x2

[ember river]

Oh thats the issue

Its more towards 2.5 indeed

[cloud crypt]

in photoshop ita quite complicated to get the best results when it comes to tiling

[tawny elk]

You should check out substance painter 👀

[ember river]

Yeah, since you're not tiling it by a integer number, there will be seams at the middle of the third repetition

[balmy chasm]

I set the width of original to 1/2.5 which is 40%
And just copied over, ye

[cloud crypt]

in photoshop you can fix these seams quite easy

[balmy chasm]

There's no seams. White lines are just an aftifact created by anti-aliasing

[cloud crypt]

a shame that it isnt a fully round mesh, because with 2.5 tiling its not fitting the mesh anymore

[ember river]

Lemme cook something

Why is the texture so big down below if only the top side is used?

[balmy chasm]

Don't ask us 🥲
And the worst part he can't save up space by filling it with solid color

[ember river]

Could you guys send all the textures for the platform? I'll rework the mesh a bit in blender and setup the replacement

So you guys can mess with the textures alone

[cloud crypt]

standard texture or new ones?

[ember river]

the new ones. No need to stretch or anything, just the best quality ones

I'll remap the UVs and such

[cloud crypt]

with maps?

[balmy chasm]

Combine them as well 🙏

[ember river]

wdym

[balmy chasm]

Platform and siding meshes. And combine these 2 textures together

[cloud crypt]

do you want them as PNG or DDS

[ember river]

PNG would be better as I'll use them in blender

dx normals as well

[ember river]

Aight

[cloud crypt]

you can set the roughness map also as metallic map

[balmy chasm]

Can you also send the main platform part

[cloud crypt]

im on it

had to convert everything, especially the normal map from octa to dx

[cloud crypt]

Hows it going E-Man?

[ember river]

Baking the textures now that they've got new UVs. Though, in order to keep area-proportional UVs, I had to remap the textures to a different location so the yellow stripe won't line up again. You'll have to offset it a bit

[cloud crypt]

Damn this is looking awesome

The Emissive still will work on this?

[open nebula]

Guys, quick question. I see that version on bridge that is linked at github page is expired:

can I just download latest build?

[cloud crypt]

just download the latest ones, yes

[open nebula]

thanks!

It's working perfectly. This game looks soooo good now. Guys, massive respect for you all!

I've tried it like 5 months ago and difference is massive!

[cloud crypt]

Will be better in future, lighting will comepletly get reworked, but until that we currently try to get version 0.3.0 out

[balmy chasm]

This needs fix. Either by texture or mesh edit

[ember river]

Not sure what u mean

The orange line is just blender's selected object outline

[balmy chasm]

I'm talking about edge of dark concrete material. It should either be both meshes with dark concrete base, or dark concrete reaching just the edge of a slab

[ember river]

Oh, I slanted it a bit so there is a bump now

[cloud crypt]

why is the platform so much on the left and not in the middle?

[balmy chasm]

Can't imagine what type of construction used there

[ember river]

I used free cam to look closer

[cloud crypt]

oh ok XD

[ember river]

I'll leave that for you guys

[cloud crypt]

haha XD

It looks good for me, nothing bad to say about it and it fits quite well

but 1 problem, the emissive you used is not dx11 srgb, seems to be greyscaled BC4, thats why it shimmers red

[ember river]

oh boy, my bad

[balmy chasm]

https://carousel-usa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/bricks.jpg
I mean that's how edge of a slab should look. Just swap tiles with some concrete-like material

[cloud crypt]

EA, we dont want it to be realistic... it have to look good, thats all

[balmy chasm]

Normal UV's 🥺

[ember river]

I see. Since there were some black & yellow stripes, I though of something covered with a metal sheet edge

[cloud crypt]

you want me to replace the mesh or whats going on now...

🤣

[ember river]

Just unzip the files and add @./03_meshes/02_environment/02_garages/01_garageCar/03020201_garageCar.usda@, to mod.usda

unzip on same location btw

[cloud crypt]

to the main mod.usda?

[ember river]

Almost, I had to tile it a bit out of borders

[cloud crypt]

what da hack

ok, i think i can delete the looks override of garages_lobby for that mat then right?

[ember river]

Yup, if they aren't used anywhere else

[cloud crypt]

nope, its a mesh special texture

[ember river]

The meshes have their own defined in the TurnTable*.usda

[cloud crypt]

adjusted Window lights again and tweaked the lights in the back to be a bit brighter

The Lobby rework is nearly ready for the next release version, only some mere tweaks left

getting a glow effet on these window (without emissive power higher than 0.3)

[cloud crypt]

were getting there

[jade briar]

I have a request for the platform

[cloud crypt]

a bit late

[jade briar]

It's never late

You can always achieve perfection

Can u like

The metal texture on top is kinda broken

So

My idea is

[cloud crypt]

its not metal, its a kind of repair station floor with oil and damage

[jade briar]

Not broken

Boring*

[jade briar]

So anyways

The idea is

Can you replace it with

[cloud crypt]

could you

write

in

full

sentences

[jade briar]

Like corrugated metal panels

Think that'll look cooler

[jade briar]

No

[cloud crypt]

yes

[jade briar]

Anyways

My idea is up there

Ok thx bye

[cloud crypt]

XD

[jade briar]

Haven't slept for 38 hours