NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[cobalt peak]

Is that true?

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/k-pop-bangtan-boys-bts-bts-suga-suga-bts-gif-5710500

uhm

i really didn't played Payback much

but i really doubt about it

[cobalt peak]

Ye same

[vague sparrow]

Need for speed: the Need of peed

[jade briar]

Payback was fun

Underground has the nostalgia factor

[vague sparrow]

?

[tawny elk]

The latest one

[vague sparrow]

there's no nostalgia

[jade briar]

Huh

[tawny elk]

I think he meant Unbound

[jade briar]

Huh

Clearly

[tawny elk]

Huh

[jade briar]

I said underground

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-gif-19708759

[tawny elk]

Hold on I gotta reset my brain

Okay it's reset

Unbound was alright

[vague sparrow]

good morning from taiwan

[tawny elk]

I ain't messing with BIOS stuff, too risky

[jade briar]

What

[tawny elk]

[chrome meadow]

you have to launch the nsight monitor

[chrome meadow]

Mirroring the scene is an old trick for reflections, AFAIK that is close to what planar reflection do which place another camera to render an image to be used as a texture. I honestly don't remember if there is a render target for the reflection

[tawny elk]

I consulted the cats again. They suggested a way to help speed up redoing materials.

What if we just took the existing meshes, cleaned up their UVs (just toss them into magic UV or similar), and then just applied a PBR texture from CC0 or similar. We could then go and use substance painter for the details and wear.

They thought it might be better than just remaking each texture by hand to fit the wonky UVs.

Any thoughts on this workflow?

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

Hmm good one. I'm working on a tool to be used within OV that should speed up assets replacement considerably, specially meshes. Since OV extensions use basic python scripting, that could also be implemented easily

For being basically python, any other method to enhance the assets using, like, pytorch ML models in the textures could be used, all within OV UI itself

[tawny elk]

I’ll try doing the UV workflow later tonight and see how it works out.

I saw you made that obj to usd script for OV on Kim’s repo 👀

[ember river]

Hmm nope, I have some scripts for converting dds <-> png, and USD <-> USDA but never contributed directly to kim repo, just sent him the scripts to add.
The tool I'm developing now is on another repo, gimme a sec

[ember river]

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NvidiaOmniverseRTXRemixTools

[ember cobalt]

it would be nice if all of these tools were just in one repo honestly

nice work

[tawny elk]

Make a repo linking to other repos

[ember river]

I'd, but for publishing and making the extension available in OV extension browser, it must be linked to the repo so it can grab the releases directly from the github page

[soft zinc]

I am sorta lost sorry, where do I find the launch option?

wait nvm

Ok no still lost

tried launching nsight monitor after loading up the game through Nsight VSC

nothing happens

[tawny elk]

Getting a graphics debugger like that working anymore is kinda of a pain. You can try using apitrace if you really wanna dig into things.

It’s a modern program and supports pretty much every form of api.

[soft zinc]

I think it's more of an issue on my end than the program itself

I don't quite know how to work with it

Or if I have done something wrong

[tawny elk]

I’ve tried the same program [old nsight] and it was so temperamental to get working.

[soft zinc]

What were the exact steps you did to get it working though

Here is what I did

[tawny elk]

I don’t remember. It was frustrating enough for me uninstall it and just use apitrace.

[soft zinc]

Launch VSC > Click on Nsight in the ribbon bar > Start Performance Analysis > Set game exe path > Set DirectX in trace settings > Launch App > Kill app after a while

oh isee

[tawny elk]

Yea screw all that

[soft zinc]

but cool hud 😔

[tawny elk]

Doesn’t have one.

Afaik

[soft zinc]

i was referring to nsight

[tawny elk]

That’s perfhud I presume, which needs to be compiled in.

[soft zinc]

oh fuck

I thought it was part of nsight

💀

[tawny elk]

Nopeeee

[tawny elk]

Journeyed to a Buddhist temple and contemplated this some more. I think it’ll help accelerate things a ton. Especially the roads/sidewalks since those are a hero texture and need good UVs the most.

[jade briar]

I'll be afk for 4 days

[tawny elk]

Going to the temple huh?

[jade briar]

Going to the mountains in searc for mark's temple. Might find the toolkit there.

[tawny elk]

I went to the one on the left, I think Mark is on the right.

[ember river]

Yeah. I'm aiming for a design in which the user doesn't needs to quit a capture to open another usd file just to come back and assemble the replacement. It will be all setup while navigating through the capture and messing up with the assets

[ember cobalt]

i've never had to do that in my workflow

but having it integrated anyway should be very helpful

[ember river]

Weird, the way we do requires to open the exported mesh.usd to create the material from the MDL file, assign the textures and stuff and then go back to the capture, add an authoring mod layer and perform the actual replacement adding the xform, then the reference to the mesh.usd and so on

[ember cobalt]

oh, i just do that all in notepad with a template i have

i forgot that i do that, lol

makes sense then

[ember river]

Interesting. I found out that the materials can be added as an external reference rather than being a defined prim inside the mesh.usd, and might not seem like much, but makes all the difference to iterate back and forth during modeling

[ember cobalt]

i used to use that method, but Mark said it could have some negative consequences

i'll see if i can find that post

#general-remix message

[ember river]

Hmm I see. i remember it having some bugs a while ago too, with it applyint the same material on every single replaced mesh.
I'll be adding the material to the authoring layer as a def rather than an over, which maybe might work fine, if I understood what mark said right

[soft zinc]

On that note, did look into the OV thing you'd mentioned @tawny elk I must admit, I am very lost

From what I understand, it creates and lets you edit USD files, files that describe a scene

How do these link into remix exactly? Why are these in particular used and why does it require OV as opposed to a regular 3d modeler software, like say, Blender?

[ember cobalt]

what, the OV script for USD files?

https://github.com/Kim2091/RTXRemixTools/tree/main/RemixMeshConvert/For USD Composer

[soft zinc]

No, as in, why OV is used at all with RTX Remix

[tawny elk]

Cause Nvidia be betting the ship on it. encouraging its usage.

[ember cobalt]

Omniverse is compatible with what Remix needs to work, and it's easier than doing everything in text

usd and usda files are how we replace stuff in Remix

[tawny elk]

There’s also not much pubically available tooling that really works well with USDs. Which is what OV strives to be the first in, since it’s all USD based.

[ember river]

Honestly, adam said it, but it has some cool features, like being an universal standardized method for describing the 3D stuff of a scene. With it you can open in USD composer (AKA OV), Omniverse Code, blender, maya...

[ember cobalt]

yeah

[soft zinc]

I see

So how do you load in the entirety of the map of ug2 as a USD

by that, I'm mostly referring to how you extract the entire map as a mesh with scaling, positions, etc intact

I had trouble getting a single texture out as is

the only way I got a mesh out was through ninjaripper, which was a pain and a haalf of thousands of disconnected meshes to sort through

[tawny elk]

You drive around and capture things a bunch

So just redoing the UVs with automated tooling seems to be a good way to fix things, especially in regards to texel density and getting rid of stretching. Once @ember river gets the tooling streamlined to make mesh replacements, or the toolkit releases, I'll try doing a larger attempt and get it into game.

[ember cobalt]

i just want to make sure you know, but you can process an entire stage of meshes with the omniverse script i have

and a whole folder with the non-OV one

[ember river]

Well yeah, even after capturing things using remix, the meshes are all disconnected to improve frustum culling granularity, it is how the game is after all.
Remix being such a middleware intercepting stuff, performs the captures by intercepting the api calls requests to render the meshes during a single frame, and dumps all the data into separate .usd files, all materials too, all textures as DDS and then generates one single capture.usd file to aggregate and assemble all the assets so you can open the capture.usd file in OV and mess with it. Everything that was rendered during that single captured frame

[ember river]

I'd release a version this very weekend if I weren't involved these 3 days in a startup weekend event on my city, so probably, next week (tm)

[ember cobalt]

this is more of a sidenote, but i wish you guys would let me know what you need added/changed in scripts to allow them to be used more efficiently, or at all. so far the only person to do so was CountBuggula, and instead a lot of people seem to just be writing complete replacements? like i really don't mind maintaining the scripts and adding features, that's why they're there

i wouldn't have had time to do the total OV integration, so i'm not really referring to that. i just mean in general really. it's a bit frustrating

[tawny elk]

I would love it if the mesh python script was just an exe or batch file that I could drag an OBJ file onto

[ember river]

As sad as it sounds, even the very day I wrote that little fix for the meshes interpolation thing, I knew the engagement wouldn't be that great. Python is already difficult to distribute to final users, and most ppl working on mods here aren't familiar with much programming at all, so we are kind of the only ones who feel comfortable to open a terminal and type some commands to do stuff.
Your scripts are great, but without some clicky UI for getting ppl feeling more comfortable, ppl won't be venturing that easily on mesh replacements.
If you would like, I can work on the UI stuff and you can contribute to the tool with your scripts too, adding more functionality to it. I'd love having more ppl working together on that thing, rather than being alone

[tawny elk]

Speaking of how fun python is for end users. Pip decided it didn't want to work anymore so I can't even use the scripts

[ember cobalt]

mm, i guess this is the case. the other community i'm very active in (AI stuff) is comfy with python and it's very very common to use scripts like these

i thought being able to just open the script editor in OV, paste the script, click on the model, and press run would be easy enough for people

[tawny elk]

It's not. I've got quite a smooth brain

[ember river]

Yeah, indeed. The target public drives the tooling specifics

[ember cobalt]

i'm not really cut out for GUI stuff. i've tried so many times and i just suck at it

[ember cobalt]

this is very doable though

If you would like, I can work on the UI stuff and you can contribute to the tool with your scripts too, adding more functionality to it. I'd love having more ppl working together on that thing, rather than being alone
i don't think i'll be able to contribute unfortunately. it's really outside the range of what i'm okay at. i was hoping that people would contribute to mine as well, but that hasn't happened yet

[ember cobalt]

i'll work on that tomorrow at least

[tawny elk]

What verison of python do most people use? It's defiantly not 3.11

[ember river]

Whenever you change your mind, lemme know. Maybe after I get a few samples of how the UI side of things work inside OV (which is quite simple) you might feel more comfortable to take a look and get along

If you would rather go away from ui stuff for sure, I can give you a hint: We're in need of some pretty cool automated scripts that could analyse all the mods folder and check for possible errors and improvements to integrate in a CI/CD pipeline

If you would like to start a repo on that, I'd also love to contribute

[ember river]

Hard to say. We often jump around between many versions due to some libs not supporting certain versions, so it really depends on the applications.
In linux I use pyenv a lot, it allows to install and easily switch between many versions of python at need. On windows I'm using an equivalent one which I can't remember the name

[tawny elk]

It's something with the usd-core package. I don't think it has a windows 11 build 🙄

[ember cobalt]

it doesn't depend on the Windows OS like that

i use 3.9.7 and 3.10.x though

for 3.11 it doesn't seem to have a package

which is annoying

[tawny elk]

[ember cobalt]

that sounds fairly complex. i'm not sure how i'd go about doing that efficiently. hmm

also, did you include the alias dictionary in your OV mesh conversion script? @ember river

[ember river]

Hm yeah, that is what I meant by some libs not supporting certain versions. It is quite annoying 😭

[ember river]

Not yet, just got it working and run out of time to the event, will go back to it on monday

[tawny elk]

||Python on windows is a mess imo, drives me mad||

[ember cobalt]

i use miniconda personally. makes python a lot easier

i have separate environments for the various things i do/use, and you can have multiple python versions

python as a whole is just a pain in the ass imo

[ember river]

The code is right here btw
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NvidiaOmniverseRTXRemixTools/blob/e274fea7401755b3141f1daf92e5348d33bcbb48/exts/ekozerski.rtxremixtools/ekozerski/rtxremixtools/mesh_utils.py#L25

[ember cobalt]

btw in stages, i had to do a really hacky workaround to prevent it from modifying the paths. i think we already discussed this though. hopefully you can get it working the correct way

[ember river]

We talked briefly, but I'd like to understand better how it works

[tawny elk]

Okay I finally got usd-core to install. Just need to preface the command with py -3.10 -m

[ember cobalt]

that's so weird

[ember river]

In OV, if the stage doesn't have a saved usd file yet, the paths will all be absolute

[tawny elk]

I don't try to understand how python works on windows. It's too confusing

[ember cobalt]

ohh right, i got 2 issues confused. i had that issue with the non-OV script. i had to do a very hacky workaround

the problem with the OV script was that i couldn't delete the now useless primvar, so it was bloating file sizes and could potentially cause issues

#general-remix message

so i had to do this, where it just empties the old primvar. mark says it should be compatible, and it worked for me

[ember river]

Hmm yeah, I remember that

Weird

[ember cobalt]

i still can't get it to work right. the documentation is either wrong or i'm missing something very obvious, lol

it sucks though

[tawny elk]

Supposedly worked

[ember cobalt]

looks like it. it should print an error if it failed

you can process whole folders by just putting the folder paths instead, and specifying a file type with a flag

[ember river]

Do you use debug mode with breakpoints? They save lives while learning what can be done in a lib

[tawny elk]

Neat, I'll see if I can do some UV corrections here after I finish my movie

[ember cobalt]

i do not. i'm still fairly noob at python to be honest. i struggle a lot more than i should

can you point me to a good tutorial on that?

[ember cobalt]

what movie?

[ember river]

Oh, debug mode is not that difficult really, usually python extensions for vscode already setups a launch.json setup for you to use.
By placing a breakpoint, you can analyse the variable values, make modifications to them, execute arbitrary code in a terminal window while the code execution is on a hold

Sadly I don't have any good sources that I know of, kinda learned on the fly, but any 10min python tutorial on debug mode should tell everything you gonna need

[tawny elk]

My neighbor Totoro

[cobalt peak]

Payback deez nuts

Anyway, I'm some kind of 'Nvidia purist'.

[soft zinc]

So to capture the whole map, you'd have to drive around, carefulyl getting Remix to pick up every mesh, generating USDs and combinging the USDs together?

[open atlas]

If you're looking to capture the whole map you're better off using the debug camera

[soft zinc]

wont you run into lod issues then

[jade briar]

You would

[soft zinc]

So the only way to get highest lod versions of meshes is to drive around hten?

[jade briar]

Yes

[cobalt peak]

How did you get your lighting to be so stable in this vid? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d9BpYgoGhE

I already disabled culling

But sometimes lights don't load in

[jade briar]

Light anti culling

[cobalt peak]

Oh I have that enabled

But still, sometimes I have to enter the hood perspective for lights to load in

I mean, lights that are infront of me

[jade briar]

That's the game's low lod distance. I used zolika's mod menu and selected (disabled world culling.)

[cobalt peak]

Nice thanks

[timid prairie]

Reminds me of Final location in "For Your Eyes Only" film

[ember river]

Yup, then each capture will generate it's own capture usd file and you merge them all in OV to make one single huge capture

[soft zinc]

that sounds very tedious :O

[slender sail]

why is the map square?

is this a bug?

[cobalt peak]

I think so

[ember river]

Yeah. Luckly we don't have to do all that. Would be just for "funsies".
We just need to capture the very thing we want to replace in a given moment and that is enough to setup the replacement mod

[ember river]

There is some problems with it, I think is some specific ingame settings for antialiasing, texture filter, idk, that must be disabled

[soft zinc]

I see. So you can patch in exactly the portions you want?

What about the 'hitboxes' of the meshes?

Say you moved around a mesh by mistake in OV and brought it back into UG2 via remix

Do the hitboxes move around with it? I have no idea how UG2 handles collisions so im lost

[jade briar]

There's no way remix can influence hotboxes. Remis simply unable to make any gameplay changes. It's just a different render engine.

[tawny elk]

Remix doesn’t change anything about the actual game. You’d hit the original collision mesh.

[vague sparrow]

Just wait till we get flex particle support

Like the one they showed in quake 2 rtx before release

[tawny elk]

I still wonder if we can tweak the smoke texture to look better

[vague sparrow]

30 series GPUs can't exactly handle decal textures as efficiently as 40 series, right?

Because of opacity micromaps

[ember river]

I wonder how remix renders the alpha blended stuff like smoke if we can't have alpha blended materials

[tawny elk]

Makes it a particle using some wizardry

[tawny elk]

I fell asleep after the movie. Was too comfy. I try placeholder materials later this afternoon

[ember river]

After howls moving castle

[tawny elk]

I wish

[cobalt peak]

RTX Remix wasn't officialy released yet, right?

This is still Portal RTX

[vague sparrow]

The runtime for rtx remix is open sourced so technically it's kind of released and no, we are not using portal rtx files

Only the creator toolkit remains to be released

Hopefully 2023 🙏

[cobalt peak]

Sheesh deez

[soft zinc]

ic

[soft zinc]

what be flex particles

[vague sparrow]

https://youtu.be/vY0W3MkZFs4 stuff like this (at 1:55 minute mark)

Maybe it was gameworks Flow

Who knows

That stuff is good too for volumetric smoke effects

[jade briar]

Those simulations are

Not very impressive

The explosions just go up in a little plume

[vague sparrow]

Uncle party ooper

[jade briar]

I'm just saying the truth

Explosions

Expand

Outwards

Rapidly

Not just flow upwards slowly

[vague sparrow]

How would you like burnout effects that has simulated smoke using such a volumetric system?

[vague sparrow]

ok genius 🤓

[cobalt peak]

Well what color is your explosion then?

[jade briar]

I'm not talking aboutcolor

Those barrel explosions look like a little poof and scpand upwards

A good looking explosion would expand with force in all directions.

And then rise

[vague sparrow]

So you're only grudge is that the smoke goes up and doesn't expand like any normal explosion would

[jade briar]

Yes. That was my whole point. I'm not hating on the tech. I don't like the specific implementation.

[vague sparrow]

Only if some smart guy could implement it in remix

I'd be so happy

[jade briar]

Mark pls

[vague sparrow]

Being able to project smoke or any other particle separate from the games code would be so cool

[cobalt peak]

I will the need for speed.

[severe solstice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/933949712099324004.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[ember cobalt]

mm apparently open-usd hates being put in a binary. lots of weird errors and issues

however, i did manage a version that works just through python still. no command line

[ember river]

I must agree. The green one looks pretty good. The regular one makes no much physical sense

[jade briar]

Yea

[tawny elk]

🤢

[tawny elk]

Getting better at it I think

[ember cobalt]

https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Kim2091/RTXRemixTools/dragndrop/RemixMeshConvert/RemixMeshConvert_drag.py

it only outputs as the original input format right now, and usd doesn't seem to be saving right. can't really recommend using this right now, and i'm not really in the best state to be writing this. i'll work on it in a few days

makes a new subdirectory in the folder where the script is with the new files

[vague sparrow]

Are you guys going to release a proof of concept remix remaster?

[tawny elk]

Uh I don’t speak for everyone here. You’re better off asking the project manager.

[vague sparrow]

and who is that

[balmy chasm]

Why angled? 🥲

[ember cobalt]

i give up. openusd is a mess when working with it like this. stage.Export() replaces file paths, stage.Save() isn't capable of converting formats, and i can't get transferring to work

sorry Adam

[cobalt peak]

Yes, because both (Los Santos obviously more than Bayview) are based off Los Angeles

But Bayview also got some Seattle vibes, and Miami vibes (due to the islands).

[vague sparrow]

Wasn't nfs underground 1/2 inspired by 2fast2furious? It's a Miami type of setting obviously

[cobalt peak]

Somewhere in the game, when you unlock a unique part, Rachel hints that Bayview is located in the West Coast.

So california, not florida.

The only Bayview resemblance to Miami I see is that some areas are seperated into islands. Like Downtown.

But the Bayview sign, the hills which kinda look like Beverly Hills, and the Jackson Heights, all look like LA/California.

And the first Fast & Furious movie was filmed in Los Angeles, so it could be that Bayview is a mixture of both.

Just noticed something funny tho, wait a sec

1:49 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWcID2JgztU

1:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3QvniaZ5qM

[tawny elk]

First attempt. Not final product

[jade briar]

Me? Idk. But the game has been a proof of concept since release 0.1. For the next release, I want all the textures in the highways to be replaced so that it can be used as some sort of a vertical slice.

[vague sparrow]

Great....last remaining thing would be to remake some of the assets properly with the toolkit

Get the marketing guys

Couple of YouTubers

And get the attention

[jade briar]

A bunch of YouTubers made videos on this

Baleto plays

Black panthaa reacted to it.

You probably remember muta

He talked about it again.

A few other smaller youtubers

Nyle is the marketing guy for remix. He asked me to send him a couple screenshots for the game. He wanted to show some to the press. Idk what happened next.

[cobalt peak]

Shaved my head bald to look more like Caleb.

[cobalt peak]

How about Bayview as a World for Sims 3? There's already one for GTA IV and GTA V.

[cobalt peak]

I plan very egghead stuff with my square egghead

[tawny elk]

I’ve now read more on UVs and see the errors in my ways

[tawny elk]

Less warcrimes

Blackbox's UV work is just || 🤡 ||

[hardy maple]

you guys are awesome and it shows (near 30K messages)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/825148660517306419.webp?size=48&name=gigachad&quality=lossless

[tawny elk]

Thoughts on this headlight aiming? I feel it's a bit too high but wann know what ya'll think.

Texel density tis but a far off idea at Blackbox games

[jade briar]

Could be a little lower

[restive magnet]

Is there a way to project a texture on to the light itself? It looks off cause it laks any light pattern that cars have irl. But if there is no way to do that, maybe you can try to limit the length of light rays or limit their spread so the light cone would gradually go off closer to the end.

[slate surge]

Falloff is strange, but they are aimed a bit high for a realistic replication of headlights. Most headlights project somewhat downwards, rather than dead-ahead.

[cloud crypt]

Now make it smooth and it will be great

But backlight is way too much

And the headlights should be a bit wider

[vague sparrow]

explain me in fort terms

[cloud crypt]

They should be wider, only inches away from the car the light should already illimunate bothe sides of the road

The light in the video is to direct

Should be more like that

[vague sparrow]

i get it now

[cloud crypt]

In video it looks like a flashlight to be more specific😅

[vague sparrow]

well i guess you couldn't configure it properly with no appropriate tools

that does look like a basic cone light

really excited to see later versions of remix with DLSS3.5

it removes the ghosting effect

(rn i believe there is a trail behind the car that follows you)

[cloud crypt]

Yep

[cloud crypt]

You could combine 2 of them
A wider less bright one and the one that alredy exist

[tawny elk]

God I wish we could use IES files and have sane distributions.

[vague sparrow]

that's not possible without the provided toolkit, no?

[tawny elk]

No idea if it’ll be in the toolkit. I keep praying at the Temple of Mark to make it happen.

[vague sparrow]

do you know which IES is responsible for handling car headlights?

[tawny elk]

IES is a format to describe a light source's distribution

[vague sparrow]

i know my dude

[tawny elk]

Do you mean if I have an IES file for a car headlight?

[restive magnet]

remix can use ies?

so, at the moment only generic cone-shaped light is available?

[vague sparrow]

yes i meant that

well i don't want the file though, just wanna know what IES preset imitates car headlights

[tawny elk]

Presets? I don't have any presets ones.

[vague sparrow]

nvm dude

all good

🙂

[open atlas]

https://youtu.be/aM_gzfAMdNs so when are we getting one of these for UG2

[tawny elk]

Maybe once we get the toolkit and able to model things a bit quicker.

[vague sparrow]

Step 1: Get hired by Nvidia

Step 2: gain access to the toolkit

Step 3: ?????

[trail quail]

3. leak the tool kit

4. get sued by nvidia lmao

[soft zinc]

im curious

with how balls ah the uvs are, how did the textures look decent as they did in UG2

[jade briar]

So. When are we getting lightspeed's blessing?

[vague sparrow]

soon

[soft zinc]

who be lightspeed

[jade briar]

Nvidia's game dev studio.

[soft zinc]

I c

[soft zinc]

this message does not imply that I am light speed

/s

ooooh

dlss 3.5 looks poggy

Will rtx remix receive a dropin replacement once dlss 3.5 comes around?

[vague sparrow]

yes

[soft zinc]

poggus

denoiser goes wild on my laptop, so I could use a far better one

[vague sparrow]

good bye flickering ReSTIR calculations

[soft zinc]

ReSTIR?

[vague sparrow]

there will be no more of that "sparkly" effect

[vague sparrow]

the tech that lets you handle millions of point lights?

[soft zinc]

i recall reading about something similar a long while back

interestin

[tawny elk]

I wish

[jade briar]

One day.

If igor can get it, so can we.

[vague sparrow]

cry.

[dusty grove]

Ok boys now you have no excuse not to use ultra pbr reflective surfaces
Neural radiance cache a.k.a dlss 3.5 will do the job!
https://youtu.be/bTJYvtPRRcM

[jade briar]

No. People say I'm a GTA v max graphics rtx 5090 (2065) bait tuber.

[vague sparrow]

luber

[jade briar]

But if we are able to get something that works well with the original style, then sure. Water roads.

[elfin beacon]

Facts

[balmy chasm]

Water roads :D

[vague sparrow]

bro tryna be jesus driving on water

[jade briar]

Real

[soft zinc]

nfs 2015 moment

speaking of water on roads

what causes road reflections to appear 'stretched' on watery roads IRL? Could it be pulled off with pathtracers?

[cloud crypt]

Its the angle of viewing and the depth of the water

[jade briar]

Idk where you live, but here water works like water.

[cloud crypt]

I think you dont understood what he meant

[jade briar]

Probably

[dusty grove]

If surface is not flat than you get stretched reflection
Earth isn't flat btw, thats why)))

[jade briar]

How do you know

[cloud crypt]

He meant that

[soft zinc]

yeah

[soft zinc]

Why is the stretching dependent on the angle of view exactly though?

or the depth?

[cloud crypt]

Well, if there are waves for example and you view from a small angle its more streches

Because the area of reflection gets bigger and the the light breaks on the waves

[soft zinc]

From what I understand, ray bonks off surfaace in accordance with surface normal, contributing to most of what the surface is perceived to look like. How does the angle of view come into how 'stretched' the final image/reflections appears

[vague sparrow]

yes

[soft zinc]

What stretches here exactly? Reflections off the wave?

[cloud crypt]

Ignore the wave

Lets take your phone as example

Tje glass is reflecting... when you view directly on it its a good non streched picture

But with an angle your face wille be streched

Its only a bit but it does, bit its also a bad example... cant explain it clearly, it just does it

[tawny elk]

It's the incidence angle

[cloud crypt]

Consider these two extremely scientific diagrams.

In this first diagram, it assumes that the surface is perfectly smooth and the light is being reflected uniformly along the entire surface. This is (approximately) the case for mirrors and polished floors and areas of water.

A fancy way to describe this is to state that the normal incidence of the surface is consistent throughout the reflective surface (in this case "up" toward the top of the image).

In this second diagram, instead of reflecting uniformly the light is being scattered due to the uneven surface at a range of different angles. Here we show the scattering in two dimensions but of course it will be happening in at least three. Note that in this case the "normal angle" is inconsistent due to it being an uneven surface.

In this case, some of the light is reaching the observer and it is being seen at a wider range of points along the reflective surface. A typical example of this is uneven surfaces of water as shown within the question. In particular, note that the image is distorted/stretched/irregular in these cases (due to the distorted surface it is being reflected from).

[ember river]

Because the BRDF tells how much energy a ray bounce will have based the direction it has bounced to, having its peak energy at the exact reflection angle. For perfect mirrors, the peak is also 100% of the energy for the whole hemisphere, and no energy will bounce any other direction. As the surface gets rougher, it becomes a matter of probability for rays to carry energy towards the viewer's direction. In a nutshell, it has a much higher probability to stretch the reflections like the pic because other directions diminish much faster than the incident angle

[cloud crypt]

EDIT: To address the updated question, note that the reflections ARE being scattered in all directions. The catch is that we can only PERCEIVE them in approximately the general direction of the source and the receiver. This can be seen somewhat in the car headlights example within the question - note that it appears to wobble somewhat.

What will vary is the angles to which the reflections occur. "Most" will continue in roughly a straight line, while few (the minority) will go off at a significant angle AND return to the observer at an equally significant angle (but ~opposite in specific plane(s)). This means that the image will be at its most intense when the source/reflector/observer are all approximately in a straight line. In isolation this might be fine, but of course in those "other" directions are other emitters of light which will be more intense than the dim images being weakly reflected at relatively huge angles.

Another example to show this is a standard projector - note that in schools and offices and cinemas, the projector is typically along the same line/plane as the observers so that the bulk of the reflections from the projector return back towards the projector (thus the observers).

Also note that where an image is being projected onto a wall, the wall is scattering the light back in all directions - thus allowing anybody in any part of a room to view the image being projected onto the wall regardless of their position/height relative to the projector source. Here the projector source must project a sufficiently intense and clear image to be seen at a range of angles as opposed to vaguely illuminating the surface.

[tawny elk]

Okay, now let's do the math

[cloud crypt]

Just found this

[cloud crypt]

🤣

[vague sparrow]

i need speed not nerdy knowledge

you guys gonna make need for math

[tawny elk]

When a ray of light hits a surface at a low (incidence) angle it diffuses across the surface more (the reflected ray ends up hitting more things).

[ember river]

This second image is pretty good

[tawny elk]

If you look at a BRDF plot it makes a bit more sense too

[cloud crypt]

👍

[vague sparrow]

why is bro shooting lasers

from his eyes

🤨

[tawny elk]

Wait till you learn it's actually the reverse in reality

[soft zinc]

Right, what I don't understand is why this causes a stretching towards ONE particular direction? If a diffuse surface starts wilding and yoinking rays off it in every direction due to a super rough ah surface, the stretching should be 'uniform' in every direction right? Based on what you said, if I had, say, a circle of points all around a rough plane, the probability that a ray bouncing off the plane and hitting one of the points is just the same as any other point on the circle\ right?

Why would other points on the circle diminish faster than ONE of the particular points like you've mentioned?

[soft zinc]

"the general direction of the source and the receiver" What do you mean by this exactly?

[tawny elk]

Light source, and your eye

[cloud crypt]

Yesp

[soft zinc]

no, as in, what do they mean by 'general direction' of the two objects there?

Sorry, english isn't my first language

[tawny elk]

No it is not uniform in every direction unless the light source itself is emiting from every direction to the source. The reflection stretch is roughly aligned with the light source.

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

For super rough surfaces it is a bit difficult to see, but for slightly rough ones, the probability distribution will be biased towards the reflection angle rather thsn uniformily bounce everywhere

[cloud crypt]

Mine neither🤣

[soft zinc]

I am seeing it happen even with a point source though

[ember river]

Trace a line between your eye and the light source. That would be the general direction they're referring to

[soft zinc]

I see. So ALL of this is down to it simply being biased towards what you would expect to be the reflection angle?

[ember river]

Yeah, basically that. A BRDF is the mathematical function that describes how much energy is scattered towards a certain direction based on incidence angle, surface normal, roughness, etc.

[soft zinc]

"but of course in those "other" directions are other emitters of light" Are you referring to indirect light sources here? If so, what do
" dim images being weakly reflected at relatively huge angles." refer to here?

[ember river]

Recommend reading about those

[soft zinc]

That's..... it?????????????? 😭

no fucking way

wait

[cloud crypt]

Dim images = less bright images

Less bright images dont have strong reflections

[soft zinc]

Yes I got that bit, are you referring to those as stuff that reflects at angles that devite a lot from the 'general' normal angle of the surface?

[soft zinc]

jokes aside, I'm really thankful you all took up the time and effort to write it up! I love when stuff goes in depth. + this topic is fun to read up on lol (as long as I underestand it)

This effect should be TRIVIAL with a pathtracer

how did NFS 2015 do it all the way back in 2015 with a rasterizer though? am kyoorious

[soft zinc]

stretch the 'fov' of the cubemap capturing the refcltions?

very hacky so they had to have used a more elegant way right?

[tawny elk]

When using pathtracing, it is quite trivial because you are working the rays of light.

[soft zinc]

yeah

[cloud crypt]

Yes

[tawny elk]

When using rasterization, it gets less ideal. I think the simplest way is you find the direction and amount of energy from a given light source and plug it into the equation.

[soft zinc]

this would work if we're forward rednering right?

What about for gbuffers where we can't render from the light's pov

(
assuming that's what you meant

)

[ember river]

I think it can be achieved by modifying that BRDF to account for "anysotropic" reflections, so it wouldn't fall off too much if the angle is still within the general direction from viewer to source

[tawny elk]

Are you referring to a deffered renderer?

[open atlas]

Discord tries to figure out how to use the word refraction without using the word refraction challenge 2023

[tawny elk]

You get it without water as well.

[vague sparrow]

This chat

[pale sentinel]

do you already know that? https://github.com/nlgxzef/NFSU2Unlimiter I'm new here, sorry if that's not allowed, I just found that and thought you might need it

[soft zinc]

yes

[soft zinc]

brdfs are a thing in rasterizers too?

[ember river]

Sure. Here is a pretty good tutorial focused on implementing PBR in OpenGL
https://learnopengl.com/PBR/Theory

[soft zinc]

I see, thanks!

How did games before PBR become commonplace do it though?

Apart from fucky ones like my changing fov idea (not sure if it'd work at all)

Since pbr only became common place mid to late last decade iirc

[ember river]

Not sure if you're still talking about the stretched reflections or just graphics rendering as a whole.
If you mean the reflections, back then it was a wild west lawless land era for CG, I can't image anyone giving a damn about the accuracy of reflections while they were still using things like gouraud shading, phong/blinn-phong shading and so on, and speaking of which, if you actually meant the CG as a whole, those two last shading algorithms were used quite a bit

[soft zinc]

stretched reflctions, yes

wait, ssorry if my q is silly

Isn't blinn-phong shading what games and cg software tradtionally use to smooth shade stuff?,essentially interpolating vertex normals?

[ember river]

That was before someone step up to bring the physically accurate theories of light transport from physics into the CG world in a realtime-feasible way, aka, PBR

[jade briar]

It's a nice to have thing, but not much use here.

[soft zinc]

icic, thank you!

[cobalt peak]

Are you?

[jade briar]

No

[cloud crypt]

seems like they added Frame Generation back into Remix

but only in the newest bridge + dxvk build

[jade briar]

Yeah

[desert ridge]

Are there any developers creating realistic window glass with accurate reflection and refraction effects?

[vague sparrow]

Is this your work

[ember river]

@jade briar had some story with the car interiors causing troubles afaik
Looks pretty cool

[desert ridge]

I created the glass material and the brand and logo decal.

[desert ridge]

The car interior requires a complete rework.

[vague sparrow]

How did you do that

[dusty grove]

Does your glass material apply automatically to all cars, or you need to do that per car bases?
Also can you share .usda?

[jade briar]

Problem is that the interiors use the same material as the car body. So as soon as you change the body to be glossy, the interior also becomes glossy. I did a glass material before, but that one problem completely killed the endeavour. There's a way to fix that, but it requires mesh replacements. So now, we wait for the toolkit.

[vague sparrow]

Or nfsCartoolkit

[jade briar]

Uh huh

[desert ridge]

Translucent Material

[desert ridge]

Apply to all car with the same texture hash

[vague sparrow]

@jade briar get to work

[errant iris]

this is so cool

[vague sparrow]

Make WIP5 and credit him

So cool indeed

[desert ridge]

How to upload to Github?

[jade briar]

I got that part working a long time ago.

[vague sparrow]

Yours just looks like a level 3 black tint

[jade briar]

This is the problem.

[jade briar]

Requires further tweaking, but I gave up after failing to attempt a fix for the interior

[vague sparrow]

Hemry has found the solution, so use that instead

[jade briar]

What solution?

[desert ridge]

I plan to prioritize working on the car's body, improving it with high-resolution decals. Additionally, I will address the car's rim and wheel textures, possibly considering mesh replacements as well.just

[jade briar]

Problem with car textures is that the game bakes a new texture every time you change the car in any way. So the texture hash keeps changing.

[ember river]

That little issue I raised a while ago to solve this random hash problem has gotten some attention couple days ago on remix' github. If it works, we will be able to make those replacements

[desert ridge]

I am specifically recreating the decals such as the brand and logo, independent of the car's body texture.

[vague sparrow]

that's very nice of you

[errant iris]

should i be using the latest builds of bridge and dxvk?

[desert ridge]

It's just the small details that may go unnoticed unless someone looks closely enough.😅

[ember river]

So you're modifying the game files directly?

[jade briar]

This is cool

[desert ridge]

Has anyone attempted to create a simulated clearcoat effect by duplicating the car body mesh? If so, does it work effectively?

[jade briar]

It would be denoising hell.

[desert ridge]

I believe that the body texture hash change will not have an impact because it's merely a mesh attachment with different textures assigned to it.

[ember river]

Oh that is pretty good idea. You got to check if this works when changing different spoiler models and whole car bodykit

[desert ridge]

Have you tried it? I created this translucent material for the windows about a month ago, and it used to have a lot of visual artifacts. However, after updating DXVK Remix and Bridge Remix, it has become much cleaner and smoother.

[jade briar]

I haven't.

But I also can't fathom the mesh replacement workflow

There'd also be some z fighting is the exact same mesh is used for cc

So...

Who's gonna try it?

[ember river]

Its gonna need a bit of a extrusion/scaling along normals to work

[desert ridge]

I can give it a try to see if it works.

[jade briar]

Yesh

[ember river]

Id wait to see if the remix ppl will get something working so we can focus our effort into replacing individual decals, vynils, etc.

[jade briar]

Can you link your issue

Oh wait

I found it

[ember river]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/215

[worthy drift]

Is there a way to make NFSU1 work? I only see the UI, tried to categorize some textures but that doesn't help. The debug view doesn't change anything also. I am on latest RTX Remix (with latest builds)

[worthy drift]

OK so I looked it up in the NFSMW project, and in order to get this to work you have to rename d3d9.dll to d3d9.asi. This enabled raytraycing in the game.

[sage wraith]

If you using my car lights, its connected to the frontwindow

[desert ridge]

No, I simply replaced the texture in Remix because it allows for including roughness, metal, and normal maps, making it more realistic

[desert ridge]

It appears to be functional in Omniverse, but I am unable to see the mesh replacement in the game. I am currently searching for a method to make mesh replacement work properly.

[balmy chasm]

#1103377328530276403 message
#1096847508002590760 message
#1103377328530276403 message

[desert ridge]

I have submitted the windows glass materials and some texture replacements to GitHub for approval.

[jade briar]

I'll go check

[jade briar]

I don't see a pr

[desert ridge]

Is it this link?
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix

[jade briar]

Yes

There's only one active pr

[desert ridge]

Ok, I try again

Oops, my mistake. I only uploaded it to my GitHub repository and forgot to create a pull request. Can you see the pull request now?

[jade briar]

I see that

[jade briar]

Approved. You can merge it now

[desert ridge]

Thank you! Tonight, I will work on creating additional texture and material replacements.

[jade briar]

Make sure the textures you use are using have a liscence that allows you to use them

[desert ridge]

Certainly! I created most of them myself using Photoshop, and I also used some CC0 textures.

[jade briar]

Nice

[vague sparrow]

what's this about lol

[jade briar]

Manhole

[mossy pelican]

manwhat

man🕳️

[jade briar]

yes.

[severe solstice]

🕳️

[errant iris]

I know this comment is kinda old but I was having this exact issue and could not for the life of me figure out what was wrong; turns out I put build.conf in the .trex folder in the game folder and not the root directory of the game 😭

i felt so stupid

[tawny elk]

Do y’all need a photogrammetry scan of a manhole cover? 👀

[ember cobalt]

i actually do

[tawny elk]

Say no more I’ll add it to the list of things to scan

[ember cobalt]

thanks 🙂

what's your method for scanning btw?

i was considering just using my phone

[tawny elk]

My phone has lidar on it which proved to be good enough to get meshes. Not the actual PBR texture though. I would need a few more bits before being able to do that.

[ember cobalt]

what phone is that?

i only have a pixel 2 xl. i doubt it'll turn out good

[tawny elk]

iPhone, the camera itself isn’t that good for photogrammetry, but the lidar is adequate

I have a dslr if I wanna do the full photogrammetry workflow

[vague sparrow]

isn't that a mid tier one?

on the iphone 12 that is

[tawny elk]

No I have a 14

[vague sparrow]

Lich!!

[cloud crypt]

I have a S33 Ultra, so what 🤣

[tawny elk]

Need that LiDAR for niche usages like this

[vague sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/838829928039317575/1144661310668284006/trum.gif

Meyodenoche

[cobalt peak]

Made Bayview in Sims 3

[cobalt peak]

He's the gigachad of politics

[cobalt peak]

So Joe Biden is Wallace Breen, makes sense

[vague sparrow]

LMAo

[cobalt peak]

🙂

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/xue-zhiqian-joker-xue-tiet-chi-khiem-chinese-singer-cute-gif-17475808

[dapper root]

Hey guys, how to use the latest version of the project?

[tawny elk]

Scan complete

The mesh came out a little wonky but

[vague sparrow]

that's a nice.....Manhole

[tawny elk]

Take a look

[vague sparrow]

holy moly

better optimize the mesh if someone wants that in-game

[tawny elk]

Nah just throw it in fam. What could go wrong

[vague sparrow]

this

good lord!

[jade briar]

Mid

[vague sparrow]

this is awesome Adam

[vague sparrow]

shut up

[jade briar]

No

[vague sparrow]

ok

cry

[jade briar]

Thx

[ember river]

Wow that looks sick. What did you use, camera and software-wise?
I've made some experiments with Meshroom and my phone but not so satisfied

[vague sparrow]

an iphone

i think they have this LiDAR tech built in so it makes the scanned surface into a model

which is pretty cool

[tawny elk]

Scaniverse app. I tried others but they don’t process detail well.

iPhone 14 Pro Max ultra deluxe season pass

[cloud crypt]

XD

[ember river]

all DLCs included

[vague sparrow]

mega fart poop limited editiobn

[ember river]

The mobile apps I tried always had a very limiting paywall

so I started grabbing the pics and throwing at meshroom myself

[tawny elk]

There's some 11 herbs and spices apple has thrown into their api that handles photogrammetry quite well.

It's not comparable in quality to going out and using a dslr but the time savings is quite high.

[tawny elk]

Perfect to just toss into the game

[jade briar]

Surely you will decimate this before putting in game, right?

Right?

[tawny elk]

You mean subdivide

[vague sparrow]

how do you subdivide a complex mesh like that

[tawny elk]

Use meshlab.

[vague sparrow]

surely this will go well with something like a displacement map

we just don't have that in remix yet

[tawny elk]

Aw it crashed

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/laying-down-gif-21333126

who'll put the manhole is the question you guys should be asking

[tawny elk]

I simplified it. All good

Anything ya'll need scanned while I'm out and about?

[blazing bone]

Lightpole

[vague sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/987669642430525452/1072505443294912552/image0-1-3.gif

[jade briar]

Thank me later.

[tawny elk]

Too tall

[vague sparrow]

Nice IP grabber

[jade briar]

np

[sharp sinew]

boring, the point is to make stuff and have fun doing so aint it?

[jade briar]

another

[vague sparrow]

this person seems to understand it

[tawny elk]

Yea but we can't use displacement with remix, so it just ends up being kinda flat imo if you just use textures.

[vague sparrow]

there's something rewarding when you take the creativity and apply it to the problem

[cloud crypt]

hopefully they add displacement support

[jade briar]

Yes, but I'm justposting better stuff

I also like scanning stuff

[sharp sinew]

rude

[jade briar]

But I don't have a dslr or an iphone

[jade briar]

am I wrong? I didn't say Adam's was bad

[tawny elk]

My manhole isn't good enough for you?

[cloud crypt]

my S23 Ultra can do that too without LiDar

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/concede-i-concede-i-surrender-i-give-up-gif-13137122

[tawny elk]

Can you post an example?

[vague sparrow]

(this is a non canon event and i shouldn't have affected the timeline by posting a little screenshot of the manhole requirement in ug2 remix github)

[ember river]

I never used a DSLR, My biggest concern with phone cameras is huge chromatic aberration when you zoom in into the details which tends to distort high quality texture pics. I have a Xiaomi 12T Pro with a 200MP pic option for 16k res pics, but as you zoom in close the artifacts starts to show up.
I wonder if that specific aspect looks better in DSLR

[cloud crypt]

if you can wait i make a 3D scan of my Elite series 2 controller XD+

[cloud crypt]

well, that does my phone not have

[tawny elk]

Bigger sensor = higher quality. I'm not saying these are DSLR quality scans, they're a good trade off for the speed at which I can do them though in my opinion.

[ember river]

Interesting. My phone has that option and it might seem great, but if you need to grab a smaller patch of the texture, the artifacts become quite noticeable and kind of defeats the purpose

[ember river]

For whole objects like this manhole it works wonders indeed

[cloud crypt]

I just took 4 photo of a part of my desk. I can use up to 40 photos to create a way more detailes version

On the Screenshot you can see the stand of my mic, a part of my monitor, some papers and even a lamp holder for my bike

And yes, its really a 3d model

[severe solstice]

man 🕳️

[ember river]

Those scanning tool are unexpectedly good at scanning still humans avoiding the uncanny valley of CGI. Cheesy way to go if you need a shot with a still human in it

[cloud crypt]

about the max number i was wrong, i can take 200 pictures for a detailed scan

[vague sparrow]

Man I wish Nerf was able to make models too

[tawny elk]

Still haven’t quite gotten scanning roads down

[cloud crypt]

40 picture scan...

But it only can scan seperate Objects, so roads wouldnt work i think

[tawny elk]

I can scan anything as long as it isn’t too smooth/shiny cause it throws off the sensor

Like this glossy bollard. Couldn’t get it to scan with much detail.

[cloud crypt]

I can literally scan shiny things but not too big things xD

[cloud crypt]

An object of that size isnt a problem if i rescale and measure it

[tawny elk]

Anything yall need scanned ? Planning out my scanning schedule

[vague sparrow]

Scam us an old woman mailboxes

[jade briar]

Adam try photometric scanning

https://youtu.be/7YGd3bcO_Ys?si=rI2PH6fwfEfcEYxt

[tawny elk]

I don't have that kind of time nor equipment

[trail quail]

remix dont load in game

oh i got it working XD

i removed dinput8 XD

[cloud crypt]

dont remove it... ist needed for widescreen fix

just rename it to dsound

[chrome meadow]

It is part of nsight (well, its monitor actually) but can run without VS,PerfHUD was an old tool.
The monitor must be run before launching the application probably both with admin rights (monitor, VS)

[soft zinc]

Tried launching nsigjt monitor, both as admin and via nsight hud

The latter displays a command window that promptly closes bdfore I can get a good look

The former does nothing at all

[chrome meadow]

It should open and run in background, you should see an icon on the task bar

[soft zinc]

whoops, just noticed, sorry!

[final knoll]

I get that the Bridge Remix file is expired and I can't download it

[soft zinc]

Odd. What are these boxes supposed to display, since NSight doesnt seem to 'support' my nvidia gpu (3050 mobile)?

Said something similar in the VS Plugin too, claimed the GPU rendered 0 frames or somethong to that effect

[chrome meadow]

It's GPU telemetry basically, it shows the load on different components of the GPU to sort out bottlenecks or perf issues, you only appear to be able to see primitives per frames but all the other function should work

[soft zinc]

I see I see

got it, thank you!

I'd also noticed something odd when moving through events

midway through the rendering of the frame, the game seems to have multiple events that do full 'passes' of the frames, applying postfx

Exactly what are these for? At first glance, it'd look like it was for Chromaticc Abberation (an impossibility, considering the age of the game). And how was the game able to afford time to process full size framebuffers multiple times before producing the final frame?

Sounds impossible, especially for the time

[tawny elk]

Prob the light trails

[soft zinc]

You're right, but i'd also seen entire passes for the car after the trails were rendered

Not sure why this was done though

alsoWhen the cubemaps begin rendering, I'd noticed that 5 faces seem prerendered

while one is filled in over time

How does the game have access to whatever's in those 5 faces ahead of time? Sky texture makes sense, as does the 'front' (which you could simply extract from the camera). I suppose you could also extract information from the road texture. What about the other 2 (left and right side of the cube) faces? How does it have those ahead of time?

[cobalt peak]

I found proof that Harry is not the son of Charles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF27U4gHAGk

[final knoll]

I have installed the rtx remix to nfs underground 2 and it goes to 3fps when I have an rtx 4060, it does not load the road textures and the same for the garage

[jade briar]

Change graphics settings

[severe solstice]

3 fps so much

[jade briar]

You probably didn't install it correctly

[final knoll]

It's weird, because I followed the whole tutorial

[cloud crypt]

if you would have followed it, it would work properly

[dusty grove]

Download mod itself through releases page on github, or clone it (if u don't know how google it) through github desktop on ur pc.

[ripe shell]

Hi. Can someone help me find the compiled version of Bridge Remix? I tried to compile it myself but it doesn't work.

[blazing bone]

Actions

[sharp sinew]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/5970830997

[ripe shell]

Thank you.

[chrome meadow]

Now I don't remember exactly but there are multiple effects other than light trails, there are enhanced color and some sort of bloom

[soft zinc]

How did the game run entire full screen passes so fast back then though? That too multiple times a frame

[grave wolf]

I don't understand at all how to install NSFU2 remaster. I just donwloaded the re-master file, then what? i need smthing else? im new in this dc, im sorry i dont even understand at all this sections. I need any RTX software efore? Any tutorial good explained? On the main file, nothing says. I've downloaded also asi loader.

[chrome meadow]

Guess all effects had a low compute cost, I think they weren't impacting performance much even on my old GeForce 2 back at the time

[dapper root]

Hey guys, any idea why I'm stuck at the loading screen? I can hear the car sounds and the music but the screen is stuck on the loading screen.

NVM it was the culling disabler. I forgot to add it

[grave wolf]

Hi i followed all instructions and this is my result :/

[jade briar]

You did in fact not follow correctly

[trail quail]

@jade briarcan you show us ?

[soft zinc]

Why though?

Aren't they essentially iterating over all pixels of the frame for each pass, and doing this multiple times for each rendered frame?

[spark moon]

how did u fix it?

[dapper root]

Install the nfsu2 culling disabler and it should work (normally)

[spark moon]

is this work for undergound 1

[dapper root]

I don't know.

[spark moon]

ok where can i find culling disabler

[cloud crypt]

Just search it

https://github.com/nlgxzef/NFSU2AntiCull

Its in the pins too

[final knoll]

what is it for???

[cloud crypt]

Anti culling

Object dont get culled away anymore

[vague sparrow]

is this for back face culled objects?

[ember river]

Frustum/Out of view culling

Hmmm there are signs
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0678331,-118.4015723,3a,72.8y,106.43h,99.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYEj4UaOSOJjLPPeVPFOXdA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=pt-BR&entry=ttu

[cloud crypt]

Thats gta?

[ember river]

Nah just Google maps. Rodeo Drive - Beverly Hills

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, but in GTA 5 its exactly the same and Underground 2 copied it just a lil bit

[ember river]

Ohh, gotcha. Yeah it looks quite a bit like in gtav. U2 did what it could with tech of the time and their UV mapping behaviour

[jade briar]

Surely

[spark moon]

thnkx but i opened nfsu after a while with gamereadyassets game is getting stuck on menu without it its working

[cloud crypt]

Its only for u2

[spark moon]

yea but i am also letting u know its was before it became usd composer

so do i have to satrt over my mod

[bright hedge]

lol fr, never paid attention to that

[cloud crypt]

They also want to see carbon🤣👍

[dusty grove]

Carbon works, but textures not loading in, both game itself (everything is grey) and remix.
(Maybe to start the game try to change inside dxvk - shadermodel to 0)

[cloud crypt]

tried it several times with different settings, wont work

Its only grey or it crashes in intro sequence

But i am wondering since its the same engine that is used for Most Wanted 2005... It should be possible somehow

[elfin zenith]

@tawny elk sorry for this. just to know how some people are. 😄

[tawny elk]

Yeah, can you take this to DMs please? Or at least #offtopic .

[elfin zenith]

I deleted so as not to cause problems here. it's a pity that some people are insanely jealous.
I apologize.

[tawny elk]

Thank you

[elfin zenith]

😉

@tawny elk new version of rtx remix?

[tawny elk]

What do you mean?

[elfin zenith]

more stable version with new features..

[tawny elk]

I’m not a nvidia developer

[elfin zenith]

Yeah...

[tawny elk]

I don’t understand what you’re asking then. I don’t develop the actual RTX-Remix runtime.

Do you mean the underground 2 mod?

[elfin zenith]

for what your roles are as developer? 😄

shouldn't you know when a new version of rtx remix comes out?

just asking

[tawny elk]

I develop mods(?) to improve compatibility with remix. No one knows when new updates for the rtx remix runtime are coming out.

[elfin zenith]

Oky 😉

[tawny elk]

I also like to be a lighting artist (?) but there’s no role for that.

[balmy chasm]

*there is role for Artist in general 👉 *

[ember cobalt]

i've been looking to revamp those roles. any suggestions?

[bright hedge]

@gametest stop selling stolen mods and also are shitty

[ember cobalt]

can you guys stop with this drama? ultimately it's unrelated to this server

[bright hedge]

should just stop replying or helping him altogether

[ember cobalt]

do whatever you feel is best, just please don't provoke drama

this has happened like 4 times now for this particular topic

if there's finally proof of some kind, please DM me it. otherwise it shouldn't be brought up again

[bright hedge]

i am pretty sure before its been given proof above

[ember cobalt]

he left anyway it seems

[bright hedge]

yes

[ember cobalt]

if you can find it, i'd like to see it

i don't realllly want people who steal mods to be active here, lol. he also caused a lot of arguments with his crappy behavior, so he's already been skirting the edge of what's allowed

[bright hedge]

also selling them for profit

.

nice cat :)) heard its a sign of affection if they want to get in ur way and stuff

[ember cobalt]

the video that's from really doesn't look like Remix to be honest. the road texture maybe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oblHpJpWpy4

[jade briar]

The road texture seems very copied

This is what he sent me

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1114416649706160128/1144976766167949372/Captura_ecran_657.png?width=1606&height=903

[ember cobalt]

can you give me an example of the current road texture you guys are using?

i haven't seen any images of this game in a while somehow

[jade briar]

This is the road texture used in the latest public release

This doesn't look like a stolen asset, but at the very least copied

Which I don't mind

I can't copyright ideas

[ember cobalt]

yeah, that's what i was thinking initially

still not the best thing to do when simultaneously insulting users here, lol

his videos on your guys' project never explicitly say that it isn't his work, and the only credit he does give is to you (burrito)

so far i don't see any stealing though, just scummy behavior

[jade briar]

Yep

HellRaven says that he had problems with him before.

[ember cobalt]

the deleted messages certainly weren't very kind

[bright hedge]

still

its obviois

obvious

putting modpacks on 3 different games constantly 😂 yeah right, totally from scratch

[vague sparrow]

well you can use remix with. Just vanilla textures

And it will still look beautiful

[cloud crypt]

Well, steaking ideas is illegal too

[ember cobalt]

he basically just took inspiration based on your guys' texture. not illegal afaik

[vague sparrow]

unless you patent it lol

[cloud crypt]

Intellectual property (IP) theft is the unauthorized use, exploitation, or outright theft of creative works, ideas, trade secrets, and proprietary information otherwise protected under intellectual property laws

[ember cobalt]

yeah, this doesn't really fall under that imo

[bright hedge]

well, its y'all mods afterall..

i just wouldnt let it like that lol

[ember cobalt]

if we weren't allowed to take inspiration from other things, i don't know if we'd get anywhere, lol

to me, that's all this was. i still cannot find evidence of blatant stealing despite having looked for over an hour

some... annoyingly close things, yes. but not identical work

[jade briar]

I don't mind. It's clearly just inspired.

Nothing here is stolen

He probably just liked the look of my old textures

One can't steal ideas

[vague sparrow]

I can

[jade briar]

do it

[tawny elk]

Oh yea

I have that role already

[ember river]

Either way, we're using the MIT license, which gives a little bit of legal protection if anything goes sideways

[grave wolf]

@ember river when i try to git fetch says
[email protected]: Permission denied (publickey).
fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

Please make sure you have the correct access rights
and the repository exists.

[ember river]

For non git users, there are some complications regarding authenticating your machine with your github acct using SSH keys and such. I suggest taking a look on how to do that using a GUI app. I'm not home rn, so I can't help

[grave wolf]

Okay thanks 😄 i will try to authenticate well

[grave wolf]

When i launch i see everything red on the world, but if i go to the ALT X menu and add the textures they appear but IDK which one goes where, there's a problem with my rtx.conf? someone has one to replace with everything well configured? Obviously rtx.conf is in game folder beside SPEED2.exe

[dusty grove]

When you have everything red thats mean you download mod wrong way.
Download mod from release page, or install github desktop on pc, and clone mod.(this way u will get latest stuff)

[ember river]

You did right if only the sky is red, just download the latest dxvk from their actions tab rather than their latest release.

[grave wolf]

I will try again so.. I've followed instructions and downloaded everything on the git repository. Its only the sky? Or some textures missing ? Sorry if im doing too many questions, just knowing if other textures missing, but it seems only the sky that gives bright to almost everything also, right?

[dusty grove]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/workflows/build.yml

[vague sparrow]

bro is in 2042 doha map

what was it called lol

hourglass

😆

[dusty grove]

E-man add tornado PLS

[vague sparrow]

☝️

[grave wolf]

Thanks , i will try and i'll be back 😄. The last one or i should look from the one says SKY or smthing? there are so many different

[dusty grove]

Last one

[dusty grove]

Put it in trex folder

[grave wolf]

now looking like this :D, im missing something ?

thanks a lot for your help guys

[ember river]

Now you're cooking with gas

[final knoll]

In some areas of the map, such as the mountain area, you need to add lighting because it is completely dark.

[dusty grove]

Just use latest version
1install github desktop
2clone nfsu2remix

[unique helm]

did someone get it to work here?

i mean it works for me, but there are no reflections on my car and no headlights

and the game is stuttering very well

have an i9 12900k, 32GB RAM and a 3080TI

[vague sparrow]

how did you install it?

[unique helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF6oEDQPpjs

like here described

but i used bridge-remix-9833d09-28-release

and dxvk-remix-739c6ea-220-release

because the other versions are already expired

and i used this Version of UG2 Remix https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix

[cloud crypt]

Reflections and no headlights are correct if u used alpha 0.2.0

[unique helm]

Ok is there no newer version already?

also found no pinned message here

[cloud crypt]

Yes, but very compicated to install

[unique helm]

oh ok

[cloud crypt]

The steps are further below in the git u posted here

And its mainly for us contributors

Maybe someone will make a usable package

But until that the 0.2.0 is the usable one

[unique helm]

ok thank you 🙂

[desert ridge]

I am currently working on assigning the correct glass material to all the headlights that already have a mesh with glass covers. To enhance their realism, I am creating normal maps. However, this process requires some time to complete.

[cloud crypt]

Well with what program u create normals?

I used materialized a lot and the results were pretty neat. Creating normals wirh chainner will not always result in good looking normals that will fit

[cloud crypt]

Probably we need to discuss that with all contributors if we will make another release version now or still will wait

[balmy chasm]

Apparently the next step in our project is total mesh replacement. So it makes sense to push a release with lights and textures only

[cloud crypt]

Thats what i thaught

[ember river]

We're just waiting for a greenlight to ship a new release zip package with everything included, remix, bridge, widescreenfix and dxvk, so the install could be as easy as possible

There are a few features to be made before wrapping it up

I can't remember what they are though

[desert ridge]

I am creating a bump map in Photoshop and using the NVIDIA Texture Export Tool to save it as a normal map. materialized quality is good, but the process of saving it as a PNG and then opening Photoshop again to save it as a DDS file is quite bothersome for me.

[ember river]

A while ago I posted a python script to convert files by right clicking them using windows's context menu
https://discord.com/channels/1028444667789967381/1122242021386616852

[desert ridge]

I am currently working on creating a traffic mesh. Is anyone else working on a traffic mesh at the moment? I am developing it for both NFSU2 and GTASA.

[cloud crypt]

For dds convert i used chainner

[cloud crypt]

Pls high poly (its over 9000!😅😉)

[ember river]

Really nice. I don't think anyone is.
If you'd like, I can add you as contributor to the project on GitHub and you can self assign tasks to yourself on our GitHub Projects board https://github.com/users/Ekozmaster/projects/1
Just send me your github user, email or profile link 😉

[balmy chasm]

You better connect them

[desert ridge]

Perhaps I can write a Python script to automate the batch processing of all files within a specific folder.

[ember river]

Oh yeah, btw, go nuts. We're using raytracing which has a much much higher budget for polygon counts

[desert ridge]

It's currently a work-in-progress mesh, and I intend to create it using all quads to ensure a well-suited subdivided mesh.

[cloud crypt]

Game uses only 9000, can handle max of 20000. But remix should be capable of more than that

[ember river]

Feel free to contribute 😉
There are ways to add actions to the right click menu that accepts several files as inputs, so one could only select several files > right click > convert...

[balmy chasm]

Like... Those are triangles

[cloud crypt]

Everything should be a triangle

Looks better

[jade briar]

Not really

Well

[desert ridge]

Don't worry, I have been creating 3D cars for a long time in the past.

https://youtu.be/9CddV-t9wcQ?si=L5RkeJQzLJwrKlqq
https://youtu.be/4RC0acD7iDU?si=6m5RUaywj2w6F0IQ

[jade briar]

Actually

Everything has to be tris

[jade briar]

Hell yeah. SOmeone who knows what they're doing.

Good luck

Don't worry about poly counts

[cloud crypt]

Damn that carrera

[ember river]

For exporting yes, but rule of thumbs in 3D modelling is to keep the topology as quad as possible, it makes life incredibly easy when editing loop cuts, sliding vertices, edges, etc.

[cloud crypt]

Oh, didnt knew that xD

[ember river]

The guy is good, right?

[jade briar]

yeah.......

[vague sparrow]

woah woah woah my people look look

The champ is here

[vague sparrow]

Look at his work, it looks great

and that's 14 years ago

[balmy chasm]

@ember cobalt Regarding role suggestions. May be more specific ranks can be better. Like showing what a person specialization is:

Modelling
Texturing
Programming
Lighting
Animating
Rigging

etc.

[ember river]

The only modelling I was doing 14 years ago was raking the yard for my hotwheels races

[cloud crypt]

For me its texturing and lighting XD

[ember cobalt]

if we do this for every category we'd have like 30+ roles 😦

it'd be good, but also a total pain for users to select them. imagine that emoji based selector with that many

i saw a better selector type thing recently. time to find it

[balmy chasm]

Do you mean programming categories, right? Cuz I don't know which else except 3d modelling and programming

[desert ridge]

The render time of that two videos take about a week, and now we can view the result in realtime. Thanks Nvidia.

[cloud crypt]

NVidia is pogchamp of creators

[ember cobalt]

artist and creator

i was thinking more along the lines of adding extra general roles that may help, not a bunch of ultra specific ones

mmmmm

[balmy chasm]

What is the defference between Artist and Creator?

[vague sparrow]

Creator is like a guy who does all the stuff from making videos about remix or something

That's my interpretation

[ember cobalt]

i didn't make these 😛

[vague sparrow]

Artist is probably the one who makes stuff for remix

like models, animations, lighting

[balmy chasm]

Makes sense. Good I didn't pick Creator

[ember cobalt]

at the time these were made, i think they were intended to get people comfortable from their skills outside of Remix

but now we have a large community, so it'd be good to have some that are actually related to Remix

[balmy chasm]

Remix Employee, as example :D

[vague sparrow]

@ember cobalt cant we follow this one?

[ember river]

I don't see much animation going on, but something along the lines of the first 4 roles should be nice

[vague sparrow]

Those are Nvidia dudes

And they're green 💚

[balmy chasm]

Just for future, you know

[ember cobalt]

i guess. like i said, i was hoping for some more general roles, not a bunch of very specific ones

i'll think on it some more

[ember river]

Guess the point is: If you were looking for a specific person to help you get through some brick wall in your project, what roles would be useful to be able to search for?

[ember cobalt]

pretty much, but they also can't be too specific, otherwise we'll have way too many roles

so i'm trying to think of a balance

also ideally i'd rather not implement yet another bot

[vague sparrow]

let's just add a remix modder role then

that way you'll know who's working on or worked on remix stuff before

[tawny elk]

Idea: would it be beneficial to get photo scans of cars? I can see if the junkyard has any of use.

I can’t model something like that well so y’all would be a better judge if it’s worth it.

[balmy chasm]

But you'd need like cloudy-not-rainy sky, no reflections paint and view from all sides to do good scan

[ember river]

For some very specific things it might be. I can't think of any rn. One big selling point of car models, hard surfaces and other stuff are very good topology, specially well beveled edges and stuff like that for the normals to look great, and scans are more random triangles

[balmy chasm]

But they're great as base for retopo. Adam would just need to learn retopo and that's it

[ember river]

U've got a pretty good point

[tawny elk]

Y’all going to have some horrible topos then or have to wait a few months till I understand it better.

[tawny elk]

Those are far and few right now

I’ll look into practicing modeling various things I know in the mean time

[desert ridge]

That's great! Could you capture a close-up shot of the headlight/taillight from various angles? I'm interested in seeing what's inside the headlight, as it will help me create a more accurate representation and avoid relying solely on normal maps to imitate the intricate details.

[tawny elk]

That’s easy to get, you can get close up photos of parts like that on eBay

[desert ridge]

Thank you for pointing that out. I hadn't considered it before.😅

[tawny elk]

I should practice modeling a taillight to reassure myself that I’m not that good at 3d modeling

[desert ridge]

Practice makes perfect! 3D modeling is my hobby, and I'm relatively new to Blender. I've noticed that many shortcut keys differ from those in 3ds Max.

I've been contemplating whether it's feasible to develop a tree generation script in Omniverse. This way, we wouldn't need to create the trees in Blender and then export them to a large USD. Since tree leaves can be instanced, I believe it could save memory during real-time rendering, enabling us to incorporate high-quality trees into every remix game.

[tawny elk]

Better use an external tool and just import it in as USD imo

[ember river]

We don't have that much degrees of freedom with remix yet. For now, referencing external/authored USDs on Xform prims is our only working method for replacing game meshes

[desert ridge]

It would be fantastic if Nvidia could create a tree generation plugin that is compatible with remix. We would simply need to specify the game tree mesh as a placeholder, and then we could enjoy a real-time 3D tree with interactive wind animation, rather than just a static mesh in the game.

[tawny elk]

Why not use an existing tool? Nvidia isn’t known for their tree tooling

[ember river]

Coincidentally, I'm using blender's geometry nodes to make some trees (small bushes actually) at this very moment

[ember river]

If that becomes a highly request feature, I might implement something on my OV toolkit 👀

[sharp musk]

hi all

is possible add reflection to my car?

[jade briar]

Well

Yes

But you'll have to do some work for that

[sharp musk]

I'm willing to do it

[jade briar]

aight someone help this dude

[desert ridge]

I have developed a script that retrieves the hash file of the captured texture folder. It assigns all textures, except for a specified hash (car texture), to a non-reflective rough texture. In the remix game menu, you can adjust the Legacy Material settings by setting the roughness to 0.02 and the metal value to approximately 0.4-0.6. This will give your car a road reflection effect.

Please note that there is a known bug: when the player's car or opponent's car changes, a new hash is generated. Consequently, you need to manually assign the car texture in the script and run the script again. I am currently working on enhancing the script to automatically detect possible car textures and exclude them from being assigned to a rough material. Additionally, it's worth mentioning that car interiors share the same texture as the car body, resulting in a highly reflective interior. To avoid this issue, you can assign the car interior to a different texture in Omniverse.

Put this two file to your mainfolder

[jade briar]

Hmm. That's an interesting way of doing it. Although a remix side fix would be a lot better.

[desert ridge]

In your mod.usda, insert this line in subLayers at the bottom
@./rough_only.usda@

[jade briar]

So, maybe make the script look for changes on a specific car body mesh. If texture on mesh-x changes, then update the material.

[sharp musk]

here?

[desert ridge]

Also you have to "capture frame to usd" everytime a new hash is borned, otherwise your mesh will look grey

[desert ridge]

yes

[jade briar]

Also wonder if you can dig into remix to add that functionality locally for a custom build.

No need for captures then

[desert ridge]

After following these steps, you can achieve a similar outcome.

[desert ridge]

That's a good idea. So, should the first priority be texture/mesh replacement, or custom build of remix? I think custom build of remix would be a time-consuming process.

[jade briar]

True, but one thing the game really lacks right now, is a good car material. You can make your car shiny and all, but as soon as you change anything, the material changes are just gone.

[sharp musk]

awesomeee

[jade briar]

However, I'd suggest that you finish any ongoing projects before getting into it l, because you probably don't know the inner workings of remix, and exploring that would take a while.

[desert ridge]

I enjoy recreating textures or meshes more than programming. Reading other people's code can be challenging.🤣

[jade briar]

True. Speaking of art assets, I want to replace most of the textures and meshes found on the highways for the next release, so that it can be presented as a vertical slice. We've got a good chunk of textures worked out, but a few still need good replacements. So if you have the time, I'd suggest working on that area. I'm also working on a few textures, but haven't gotten a lot of progress lately because burnout.