NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[tawny elk]

The buildings now light up the sky nicely

[jade briar]

Performance is already 50 frames with dlss3 on a 4090. Idk bro

[jade briar]

Too much

[blazing bone]

CPU Bottleneck?

[jade briar]

No clue. Haven't looked into it yet

[blazing bone]

Btw enabling fg costs about 10 fps

[tawny elk]

Most likely. Mark warned me about disabling culling completely for COD2, stating that when they were doing things with Portal and said it caused way too much perf issues to make it to release

[slender zodiac]

i wonder one thing

[tawny elk]

@ember river lemme send you the exr to mess with

[ember river]

Jackson heights is another good point to test skyboxes

[tawny elk]

I think it needs some nice glow around the horizon

[ember river]

very little city noise

[tawny elk]

I'mma go have some ice cream then maybe mess with it some more

[tawny elk]

Hm I don't know how I feel about the pure overcast one

[ember cobalt]

reminds me of the batman games

ultra gloomy

[tawny elk]

I'm getting eppy. Hope ya'll make some progress while I nap

Here’s a night sky for reference of what I’m looking to get.

[ember river]

bro lives in jackson heights

[tawny elk]

Closer to fort union or coal harbor imo

[open atlas]

@tawny elk did you ever message nlg about making an asi

[tawny elk]

Nope

[balmy chasm]

@tawny elk You should definitely test skyboxes on JacksonHeights because it is the most pitch black place of all

[timid prairie]

Music through Spotify?

[ember river]

This skybox texture is really really good. Think I just found a method to paint features in the image without losing its high dynamic range. I'll try a few things to make it less cloudy, maybe add some sparse distant stars

[tawny elk]

If ya need me to modify/preveiw it using an hdr screen just lemme know and I can do it for ya

If we need less cloudy I have some that are more partly cloudy than overcast

[ember river]

I like the "3D shapes" of this one quite a bit. The clouds sort of embrace the view surrounding the camera

[balmy chasm]

Have we achieved anything but 8-bit maps in remix?

[ember river]

only format I could make work is BC6U. Any other the game just crashes

[balmy chasm]

Which is yet 8-bit

[ember river]

Yeah, by the description it seems to be doing something very confusing though

[balmy chasm]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/direct3d11/bc6h-format
Ah nevermind. Guess that's our best bet

[tawny elk]

I looked at the night sky closely last night, if we decrease the contrast and increase the brightness around the horizon it’d be a good overcast night sky for an urban area.

[tawny elk]

Not that I know of. I don’t think there’s support for higher range than that. We’d need to ask the Nvidia folks for guidance on how to make this truly an HDR sky texture.

[ember river]

I asked chatgpt 4 for a summary and, also reading a bit of the documentation @balmy chasm sent, I'm convinced it is a shot in the right direction

[balmy chasm]

ChatGPT is not trust worthy anymore 🥲

[tawny elk]

Mark pls help give more dynamic range.

[ember river]

ChatGPT is awesome for a leg up, but you still need to be educated on your guesses and what can and can't be trusted

[final knoll]

How can that sky be added to the game?

[tawny elk]

Replace the original skybox with a mesh replacement. Do not let Remix create a skybox. So don’t mark the textures as such.

I don’t know the exact setup of the texture in OV though

I kinda wanna see if I can tweak this one into something more night like and compare it to the overcast one. Something about it being completely cloudy is just messing with me

[final knoll]

i don,t know to do it

I can't find the original file of the sky to be able to replace it

[tawny elk]

It’s complicated, I don’t know how to do either.

[jade briar]

Very carefully

[final knoll]

A tutorial on how to do it would be nice for those of us who don't know how to do it

[tawny elk]

Better to wait for the actual tooling rather than relying on us for tutorials Everything is very complicated to do at the moment.

[safe patrol]

ok I need opinions on headlights. Should I make emissives for them assuming just normal running lights, and leaving brights/hi-beams off (where applicable)? Or should I just light up everything that can be lit?

[tawny elk]

For headlights I’d go with almost a DRL level of brightness from the low beams and running.

For the side markers I was conflicted with a direction.

Wait

This is a perfect use for the GitHub project!

At least to document what was decided

[ember river]

I have a point on their textures. With some careful replacements, we can make some pretty cool looking head and taillights by analysing the translucent material for the lenses and proper emissives for the lit area.
The correct normal map can bend the light rays to produce those refraction details, like we see in Portal Prelude RTX
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[safe patrol]

up to now I've been going with the assumption that we're running regular night time low-beams. That sometimes gets sometimes tricky trying to figure out which bulbs are meant to be for hi-beams, etc. So it would be easier to just light up everything, but I'm fine with doing whatever the consensus is.

[tawny elk]

Outermost light source is low beam

[safe patrol]

that's good to know

[tawny elk]

High beam is almost always towards the center.

Parking light typically goes on the outermost edge of the housing or inside of the low beam.

[safe patrol]

not all of the headlights in the game are very realistic though. Many of them are far from it, in fact

it's just as tricky trying to figure out what tail lights are brakes in most cases

Mostly I've been winging it and trying to just make something that looks good but I'm definitely open to feedback and suggestions for them

[ember river]

Speaking gameplay-wise about headlights, I think would be best if we aim for hi-beams, to light up darker areas of the map while driving. Rn we have unlit portions that we could benefit from having hi-beams to drive around. Even after lighting up all the city, having the hi-beams to light the road ahead would be a nice "thing" for players to play with, and get mesmerized on rtx stuff

[safe patrol]

agreed - and in the game it's not like we have to worry about actually blinding oncoming drivers

but that's why I wanted to spur a bit of this discussion

[balmy chasm]

Headlights are already killing garage lights 🥲

[safe patrol]

it'd be nice if we could figure out how to turn them off in garages

[ember river]

for someone reaching 200mph on a dense populated roadway, blinding headlights would be a complement

[safe patrol]

I'll wait for a few more people to weight in. I'd particularly like to get @jade briar's opinion on the matter

[balmy chasm]

I don't quite get what you're talking about

[surreal ruin]

Art Direction trumps realism

Go with what works well for the gameplay 🙂

[jade briar]

EXACTLY

I hate when people worry about what's realistic, instead of what looks good in a particular place

I'd go for led high beams that flashbang every driver infront of me

So that I can see

[tawny elk]

Make the lights in the garages brighter ez

That’s why they were quite bright in my setup.

[balmy chasm]

-_-

[jade briar]

Realistic is not always equal to good looking
-Master Oogway

[tawny elk]

You can look up pictures of them and parts diagrams for the cars and see which one is used for what.

[tawny elk]

I can touch them up for ya now that they’re in the main branch, no biggie, it’s ez for me to wrap my head around.

[balmy chasm]

You're not serious, right?

[tawny elk]

Why wouldn’t I be? Is there a concern with bumping up the lighting in those spaces?

[balmy chasm]

Well, to make it lit balanced somehow, to avoid supernova lights

[tawny elk]

Are we talking to prevent the head lights from over lighting the scene when pointed at the wall in the garage?

[ember river]

ReSTIR overbright bugfix, part 2

[balmy chasm]

Hm, no, no I guess. There are few lobbies with such an issues, but it is less noticable. Less noticable than a beam of light projected onto floor in front of the car, which effectively kills custom reflections on car's body parts

[ember river]

That would be an effort better spent imho

[tawny elk]

Nah we squashed that. Never to happen again

[tawny elk]

Agreed. I can look into seeing if there’s an existing mesh that would make this happen.

[ember river]

Also, maybe the guy working on the world editor knows something we dont that could implement a logic on the game that we could use in remix side, idk

[ember river]

Or lets just replace the turntable mesh with an invisible (backside culled) cover in front of the source lights

[safe patrol]

There's a lot of headlights that look something like this in the game. Multiple lights, with the assumption that some of them are reserved for hi-beams. Up to now I've been leaving at least one of them off when making emissive maps for them, but I'm asking whether to just light them all up.

the difference looking something like these examples

[balmy chasm]

So it is basically up to which ones are used for external light source placement

[safe patrol]

not necessarily. I don't think we're going to be able to map real light sources for every bulb on every light setup

I think we're making generic light sources for each car. But when you look at the headlights head-on the emissives will sell where that light is "coming from"

[balmy chasm]

Well, here's another solution. Use doublesided light setup instead of emissive .-.

[safe patrol]

I don't know what that means

[balmy chasm]

When you place a second light facing the mesh in addition to the one facing outwards

[safe patrol]

I don't think we have the ability to create lights for all the different light meshes, unless adam's anti-culling patch fixed that

the reason we only have generic lights for each car is because we can't attach lights to the headlight mesh

so the lights are offset but attached to another body part that doesn't get changed or culled

that's why I've been making emissives for them all

[balmy chasm]

But its all about just duplicating this generic light setup and flipping it from local pivot

[safe patrol]

but you'd have to make different light setups for every headlight mesh. And there's no way to tell it which mesh it's supposed to use when it's attached to a completely different part

different headlights for the same car have vastly different sizes and positions. You can't use the same light setup

[balmy chasm]

We have somehow working headlights, right?

[safe patrol]

yes. They're generic beams coming from somewhere in the middle of the headlight mesh location, but they're attached to a different part of the car

What you see when you're looking at the car head-on isn't that light though, it's the emissive map for the headlights.

[balmy chasm]

So you want to make emissives for each type of headlights?

[safe patrol]

I already am

I've got most of them in main already

[ember cobalt]

emissives are so bad in motion. do they hold up in this game?

[balmy chasm]

What about those tuned ones?

[safe patrol]

they look fine for these purposes as they're not designed to cast light on anything

[safe patrol]

what about them?

[balmy chasm]

Have you touched this one?

[safe patrol]

not sure, I have a bunch I've done that I haven't merged in main yet. There's no emissive applied in that screenshot though

[balmy chasm]

Well, double-sided light source can give a good result only if aligned propeply

[safe patrol]

I've been focusing on getting the rest of them done that were still missing emissive maps, but realized I should ask about whether I should portray them with hi-beams on or off so I don't have to go back and redo the new ones I'm making. That's what started this whole conversation

[safe patrol]

And we can't do that because we can't attach lights directly to the headlight meshes

[balmy chasm]

Are currents headlights attached per car or for all cars at once?

[safe patrol]

there's a single usd that applies them to all cars but the light locations are per-car

[balmy chasm]

That's some room for tweaking then, because headlight mesh location is consistent. Other than that I do agree with Burrito. To pick far lights as main ones

[safe patrol]

yes but the actual bulb locations goes all over the place for the different headlights on the same car

the mesh is in the same spot but the lights within that mesh aren't

[balmy chasm]

Indeed

[tawny elk]

I haven’t checked if the headlight mesh still gets culled with my patch.

If it has prevented it from culling then we can place the light source close enough to the actual mesh to illuminate it

[tawny elk]

High beams will be vastly easier to model than low beams until we get IES shaping.

@safe patrol or @balmy chasm, if you can, make an issue on the project and assign it to me so I can start looking into a solution to this.

[ember river]

@tawny elk slowly adding a bit of sky to it. Thoughts anyone?

[balmy chasm]

Well, yeah. Test it up on the hill. If you can avoid traffic cars in places there are no lights at all - you're good to go

[ember river]

Yeah, this point is very unlit and dark. I was heading to JH and decided to stop and take some shots

[balmy chasm]

I believe sky dome is not bright enough, so make sure to record your try as well :D

These zones are the place you go for

[jade briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935989994735169546/1134211237572513982/IMG_7204.jpg

[surreal ruin]

That looks fucking great man!

[tawny elk]

Looks a stormy day rather than night

I wish I could get you a CIE model of a cloudy night sky cause it’d show the relative/absolute brightness of the dome.

[surreal ruin]

I mean play with the contrast on that bitch a bit and you'll be set

[tawny elk]

https://drajmarsh.bitbucket.io/cie-sky.html

[tawny elk]

Kind of. I’ll try something here in a bit to describe what I mean

[surreal ruin]

Woah what the balls is this

Oooooooooooh

Why don't you use just Unreal Engines sky set up and render out a HDRI from there?

That way you could customize it to look exactly how you want

[ember river]

Buoy, that would be nice. Although I have no idea how to use it. Rn I'm using a somewhat complicate layer setup in Krita to isolate the clouds and hand paint some features + some filters and stuff, this is how I'm getting that skybox u've sent somewhat less cloudy

[tawny elk]

What I work with for my actual job. It’s a model of the sky at any given time based on past weather conditions and such.

[tawny elk]

You can interpret the color scale as a brightness scale.

[surreal ruin]

That's wild!

[tawny elk]

There’s lots of models for day, some would say too many, but there’s not many for at night.

[surreal ruin]

Sure would be nice to have that cool sky stuff Forza Horizon 5 had

[tawny elk]

This can sort of translate to how moonlight works, but notice how even though the light source is in the southwest sky, the entire horizon is illuminated.

[tawny elk]

They did a bunch of HDRIs on location for the environment. I try to keep up with what they do art production wise since it’s usually the leading edge.

[surreal ruin]

Yeah it's insanely cool stuff

[tawny elk]

||Though they still don’t have the PBR quality that Polyphony Digital has. ||

[surreal ruin]

How they did like, 24/7 day capture HDRI's and like blend between them

It's proper funny at times because you can tell they had to compromise on the resolution

So at certain periods of time during the day you can see film grain and stuff in the sky XD

[tawny elk]

That’s why we don’t have easy access to night HDRIs. They’re quite hard to produce.

[surreal ruin]

Let me uh

Try something

Never done this, but should work fine

[tawny elk]

I think I’ll try this and see what I can make with it.

Or maybe omniverses built in one 👀

[surreal ruin]

Do we have a pic of the original skybox laying about?

Just so I can use it as reference?

[tawny elk]

Uh. Not really, there’s several. I posted the outside of some earlier.

https://media.contentapi.ea.com/content/dam/eacom/frostbite/files/s2016-pbs-frostbite-sky-clouds-new.pdf

Relevant paper on PBR skies

[surreal ruin]

Oh no I just meant the NFSu2 one

As a reference point

Since I'm assuming you guys don't want it to look completely different?

Or does it change frequently?

[jade briar]

An ea paper to help with an old ea game

[surreal ruin]

Hmm, the original game doesn't really have a night one either heh

[sharp sinew]

what format are you guys saving your HDRI's as? mine are making the denoiser go crazy

[tawny elk]

BC6H

[sharp sinew]

and your using 32 bit input?

[tawny elk]

An EXR yes

[sharp sinew]

cheers mate, been using BC6U

ew

[tawny elk]

No you had it right. Bc6u is a version of bc6h

I had to scroll up some more

[sharp sinew]

well whats going on here then

[surreal ruin]

Black Magic

[jade briar]

Aight

I know how we're gonna do it

https://vxtwitter.com/key_vfx/status/1682408463245164550

[tawny elk]

Hm

[sharp sinew]

it could be a demon or ghost inside my pc

for the material the dds goes inside diffuse and emissive mask map?

[tawny elk]

OV's isn't too bad

[ember river]

seems much like bitcrushing artifacts for condensing the image to a lower bitdepth and up again. Did you convert it to some other format like PNG/JPEG before opening again and save as BC6U?

Think I'm getting somewhere

[surreal ruin]

Hot

[sharp sinew]

download exr from hdri haven, drag straight into nvidia texture tool save with default settings except for format thats BC6U

[ember river]

Seems about right

[sharp sinew]

it's aight i'll work it out. keep going mate looks sick

[ember river]

ty friend

[tawny elk]

Try lighting up the edges of the clouds to show the density

[ember river]

I have no idea how to produce this silverlining yet. Lemme see if I can rearrange the layers a bit

[tawny elk]

I think @surreal ruin was onto something though. I think we can just use UE5 to get a nice HDRI Blender was holding us back in this case

[ember river]

My RAM is slowly dying from those 8k layers on krita

Good thing I just downloaded these big chungus to up my game

[jade briar]

Anyone figure these out yet?

They only appear in Jackson heights

[ember river]

Yeah, this is some screen space thing that looks a lot like vertex painting/interpolation issue 🤔

[ember river]

Hmm yeah it is a screen space vertex painted bloom effect for the city center view in the background

[jade briar]

Gotta figure out how to ignore that

Because it looks bad

[tawny elk]

How does the sky look in the urban areas?

[ember river]

Here are some pics. The city center fog occludes quite a bit
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[tawny elk]

I'm loving it out in jackson heights but I dunno about the urban area

[surreal ruin]

Unreals clouds are incredibly fucking hard to get remotely good looking hahaha

[tawny elk]

Damn you tell me after I download it

[surreal ruin]

Other than that, this totally works

[surreal ruin]

I MEAN IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN'T

It's just a bit fiddly 😛

[tawny elk]

I'll give it a shot

I have a feeling twinmotion has a better sky simulation 👀

[surreal ruin]

Yeaah! But the cool thing with unreal is that we can very easily decorate the skybox right

We want a city skyline with skylights and stuff on one side?

Smack in some assets and make that happen

You want a mountain in the direction of the heights?

Easy enough to do

[tawny elk]

Which UE verison did you try?

[surreal ruin]

I'm in 5.2 atm

Just because that's what I had installed 😛

Put a test one together!

Give it a shot

Nothing fancy or anything, just to see viability

Unreals capture seems to be limited to 2 K though

Gotta figure that one out

[tawny elk]

Damnit

Twinmotion had the same thing

[surreal ruin]

I'm sure there's a way though, unreals is set up to capture on every frame

And doing that at 4K would be insane

So if you manually force it to capture via a script instead it should probably be fine

Will look into it if this produces even remotely decent results

Looks overall okay

However for some reason it's generating these funky AO looking lines around the cube edges

Might have to do with how it captures the volumetrics maybe

Oh good 😭

Gotta edit the source to bypass the capture size lol

NEVERMIND

https://docs.unrealengine.com/5.2/en-US/panoramic-capture-tool-in-unreal-engine/

There's a built in plugin specifically for this

[tawny elk]

inb4 it's capped as well

[surreal ruin]

HAH

Trying it now

[tawny elk]

6k max maybe?

Ngl this is why I don't really like UE's obsession with nodes.

[surreal ruin]

Eh it's great for me!

Seeing as I'm no programmer or nothin' haha

WELL

The damned thing can't write to any of my storage

So that's fucked LOL

[jade briar]

So there's tall huge water tank near my place. I'm gonna end up sneaking on top of it and make a 360 photo

[surreal ruin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-PeK7vAsG4

LOL

Of course there's some wacky russian dude who has solved this issue already

Turns out the solution is to just remove the drive letter from the damned string

It has successfully written the file!

Now to figure out WHERE to X)

[surreal ruin]

Such a good capture

Well done Unreal

[tawny elk]

Didn't set the node with the hilariously long name

[ember river]

Well, my eyes are now getting so saturated from looking at this image for the last 3 hours that I can almost see the dreamworks guy pulling a fishing rod sitting on the moon while shrek rips off the first page of a fairy tale book for hygienic purposes.
I added that slight silverlining to add some depth to the clouds, and I'm now not capable of judging whether it looks good or not, so again I'll just drop some pics and a video for you guys (The black outline shadowing and some other artifacts I can hand-polish better)

[tawny elk]

Nah I think the outlining ended up looking like an HDR effect rather than the cloud edges

[jade briar]

I wonder if someone can @ blender guru on twitter X and ask him how these were made

[tawny elk]

I doubt they're made in blender. They're probably just actual HDRIs

[jade briar]

Yeah I know that part

But how were those hdris made

[tawny elk]

https://blog.polyhaven.com/how-to-create-high-quality-hdri/

It's not easy

[ember river]

I have a gopro hero 11 but idk much about photography, not even if it is good for creating HDR maps or not

[tawny elk]

No you need a DSLR

[surreal ruin]

It looks NICE, but it's too much, just tone that down a bit

[ember river]

Wish I had a drone though, to make those sick shots

[jade briar]

No

Those hdrs

Are only sky

No earth

[tawny elk]

You mask out the ground by hand

In post

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

Considering how high res the source ones are, it'll take you quite sometime to do so

[random marlin]

Prueba descargando más RAM

[ember river]

Nice, almost half opacity now

[surreal ruin]

Yeah that fucks real hard

Good shit

[tawny elk]

Quick test of OV

With how easy it is to replace this, I'm starting to not want to invest all this time into it.

[jade briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/727779104077643819/1064567591634473030/tSoyMtM.gif

[ember river]

Here the skyboxes if u guys wanna play with them. I gonna take a break now. Prolly gonna watch shrek

[tawny elk]

Got shrek 2 on dvd

Do I photogrammetrize it into the game

[ember river]

Giant Gingy on the skydome watching over us

[tawny elk]

Farquad

[safe patrol]

This is definitely not my area of expertise, but I think this is getting closer. It still looks like it has too much contract to me for night time though - I think if the lighter areas are darkened some it'd work better.

[ember river]

Oh boy, look what I've found on the basement

[elfin beacon]

VLC?

[pulsar terrace]

its way to dark can someone tell me the fix of it

?

[dusty grove]

U install it wrong, check pins, download it from release page

[jade briar]

How does one have a random traffic cone in their basement?

[tawny elk]

I have one in the trunk of my car

‘Murica 🦅

[ember river]

I have no idea. It is a good cheap megafone, though

Morning y'all

Did we have any progress with the skybox?

[tawny elk]

As in getting the distant light source working with it ?

[ember river]

No just the HDR so we can merge the thing

[tawny elk]

Oh I feel what you got is good to merge. It worked fine in my game. It’s easy enough to change later so I’m not too worried about it being set in stone.

[tawny elk]

What should I tackle today

[jade briar]

crouds

[balmy chasm]

Things in Issues

[tawny elk]

Does this fix the crowds?

[jade briar]

Try

[tawny elk]

Didn't

I got ghosts now

Yea I don't know what's going on with the poeple's textures

[ember river]

Would someone be kind and hit approve on this little boy? is for a frien
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/87

[tawny elk]

Denied 👍 ||/s||

Should I delete the branch as well?

[ember river]

Yeah, go ahead

[jade briar]

Do they show up in geo hash?
Do their textures show up in the list?
Do they show up in game when you disable rtx through the dev settings?
Do it fart?

[tawny elk]

Nope, nothing captured. Just their shadows in remix. I didn’t check with RTX disabled cause I don’t have the dev optimized version

[jade briar]

Maybe they are using some shaders

[tawny elk]

Possibly. There’s still plenty to explore

[uncut bay]

Nice soundtrack

[tawny elk]

||Majority of videos I post have some sort of relevant song as a nice Easter egg||

[jade briar]

That's too much work

[tawny elk]

It keeps me motivated.

[jade briar]

My motivation has been down the drain for the past month

[tawny elk]

Hm, try a simple blockout for a mesh replacement?

||Or give me the instructions to get Delta force working so I can debug that||

[tawny elk]

It doesn’t even run for me 😦

[jade briar]

Huh

What do the logs say

[tawny elk]

Don’t remember, probably need to start a thread for the game.

[tawny elk]

Would you like me to make a thread 👀

[ember river]

Wut u guys up to?

[balmy chasm]

@ember river I'm really worried to start mesh replacements. Have you tested if we need to create LODs and if they even work. Also how to deal with culling. Adam's patch shows we need agressive culling for performance, but what's gonna happen if you go full blast in lobbies, for example?

[ember river]

Heyo, just woke up 5am, going back to bed lol
But yeah, I didn't make any performance test on using LODs, although I'm afraid LODs performance would be worse or at least negligible than just letting the models render in raytracing due to:
1 - constant insertion/removal of nodes in the BVH
2 - the game renders up to, like, 500 meters of free distant view before some object/wall in a curve occludes everything. You can spot a lot of popping using day mode.

They do work though, for many objects, since the runtime generates different mesh_HASH for each lod level.

Judging by how the whole game's geometry is relatively simple to raytrace in a given frame, my guess is performance issues might be somewhere else 🤔

Anyway, would be best to setup a testbed for all such things, as performance optimization should never be a guessing work.

I'm on a branch with more replacements now, I can make some crazy stuff to bring the GPU to its knees and generate some data. Might spend today working on it

Good nite

[balmy chasm]

You say we need to create LODs by hand and replace original game LODs with ours? Like 3-4 models per 1 object?

[jade briar]

I saw we replace up to two lod levels with new geo. Further lods can remain untouched.

[ember river]

PS: I see the anticulling patch being an optional in the future due to such performance reasons, so think we might just assume some players won't play with it enabled, so to avoid culling issues, we might as well rely on the game meshes' original bounding box. If they aren't culled and we replace with a 10km away mesh, it will render 10km away.

For LODs, the most common LODed objects like the common walls I'm replacing in this branch uses up to 2 levels, one for up close and another for cursed far 50+ meters 🤔

[thorny pawn]

love to see it ❤️

[cloud crypt]

@jade briar need your new texturs if you have some, so i can work on lights again pls. I want to reconfigure every light to match your textures

[jade briar]

Brother. A lot has happened since you were gone

[cloud crypt]

ive saw some things. How many changed?

[jade briar]

Basically. Delete you rtx-remix folder, and download the latest files from the GitHub repo using either git, or GitHub desktop.

You'll have all the latest stuff

After that work to match your lighting with what Adam has done

Only add lights where they're none.

Last thing we need is two lights from the same object

[cloud crypt]

hm, ok :/

[jade briar]

Some of your lights are still there, but a lot have been reworked by adam

In the mod-lights.usda

[cloud crypt]

theyre yellow now i think XD

but ok, thanks for the info

I will see if i can be a help that way

so maybe i need an unmodded verion of he game now, right?

@ember river can you add me to the Repo?

HellRaven-Exp thats my Git Name

[ember river]

Heyo, can't find yah

Send me a link to your profile instead so I can find your username

[cloud crypt]

https://github.com/HellRaven-Exp

[ember river]

Hmm I've got 404

If it is a new profile it is probably a matter of waiting a while so GitHub servers can index the profile url 🤔

[cloud crypt]

i am on it

[tawny elk]

Pls no more lighting rework. I already got burnt out redoing the roadways a second time.

[cloud crypt]

i only wil add new lights. I wont change anything on existing ones

[cloud crypt]

https://github.com/HellRaven-Exp?tab=overview&from=2023-06-01&to=2023-06-30

[tawny elk]

I think all of roadways have been added, it’s all the scenery and custom ones left. I’d highly suggest making a task / issue in the project for an area you want to work on.

[cloud crypt]

ok, but for that i need to be added to the repo XD

[tawny elk]

Also I have my “bleeding edge” lights that aren’t in the main repo in mine if you wanna take a peek at those

[cloud crypt]

what you mean with bleeding edge?

[ember river]

[tawny elk]

Haven’t been merged in yet, nor have a branch. I’d have to many branches in the main repo that it’d cause a mess imo.

[cloud crypt]

ah ok

[tawny elk]

You can also use both repos at the same time with some clever linking and such if you really want.

[cloud crypt]

well, i dont know what it is. My profile isnt private and it exist since 3 months

Ill just make a new one...

[ember river]

I'll be out of home and out of internet for the next two hours. Adam, can you give a lil help ma buoy?

[cloud crypt]

https://github.com/HellRaven-Experience So this works. Seems like my other profile got banned (i got hacked on that one)

[tawny elk]

I’m out getting ice cream

[cloud crypt]

So its daytime in your countys... Here it is 2am

[tawny elk]

8pm here

[tawny elk]

Okay back from ice cream. Whatcha need help with

Oh add to project

I don't think I can add you to the main repo

[open atlas]

just create a fork?

then merge in the fork

[tawny elk]

It’d be such a mess of a branch with how long it takes to do one area.

[ember river]

Done 👍

[ember river]

An hour before my timezone. It was 21 for me already

[ember river]

I think you might be an ice cream addict
Out of many things to get addicted, that is a nice one

[ember river]

You still will need to accept the invite

[cloud crypt]

I have xD

[ember river]

Just came back from barbie. Masterpiece. Next comes openheimer

[ember river]

Welcome aboard

[tawny elk]

Saw that in 70mm

[tawny elk]

I frequently find myself always wanting to try any seasonal flavor.

[ember river]

An ice cream sommelier 👌

[tawny elk]

Certified foodie

[tawny elk]

@cloud crypt ping me if you need help with things. I'll be around tomorrow 👍

[safe patrol]

I had spumoni tonight. Haven't had it in years, have been craving it for months, and my favorite ice cream place happened to have it today. It was delicious.

It's impossible to find normally around here. None of the grocery stores stock it.

[hardy maple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1128613316059734087/1134315751810019358/image0.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/888053867659534436.webp?size=64&name=demohesright&quality=lossless

full named map if y'll need it

with the cut desert area included

[balmy chasm]

Alpha/beta map?

[hardy maple]

yes iirc

[undone shale]

how to install remix, I tried and nothing works, I threw rtx remix into the folder with the game, but either it starts without rtx remix, or it doesn't start at all

[jade briar]

Did you follow the instructions on github?

[undone shale]

yes

i have already tried for nfs under 2 and crash

I watched the tutor and there you need to download bridge and dxvk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U32QaB23Mws

[undone shale]

I CAN DO THIS

but

[jade briar]

What the gell is going on?

Little skinny fucks

[ember river]

Wow, it seems like the lil sun I added to the skybox decided to partially work, but only on your game

[jade briar]

Yeah I reset the default rtx conf and now its fine

This streets in the back are way too bright

So are the windows

[balmy chasm]

That's either me running dimmer than default or you doing brighter

[tawny elk]

I think it looks good

[balmy chasm]

But it is actually brighter on his side than it should be

[tawny elk]

Gonna be a while, need the tooling to be done.

[jade briar]

I'm using default file.

[ember river]

Oh it might've been marked as skybox textures. It can't have any skybox textures anymore

[jade briar]

nuh uh

[ember river]

Maybe just the windows in the back could have their lights shut. Since it is night time and nobody would be welding at this time

[jade briar]

Beculiar

[tawny elk]

Maybe just dim down the emissive down?

[jade briar]

uhh

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[ember river]

WTF lol

[tawny elk]

Reinstall the repo time

[ember cobalt]

are you on the third from latest remix build? conf stuff is broken on it

[balmy chasm]

Lower Emissives to 1

[jade briar]

I just updated using the downloader thingy that runestorm posted

[ember cobalt]

just now?

[jade briar]

yes

[ember cobalt]

hmm

it should be the latest, weird

[jade briar]

I'll download manuakky

Can't trust these mfs

[ember cobalt]

you used the bleeding edge one though, right?

[jade briar]

Yes

[ember river]

I see it is more bleeding than edge

[jade briar]

yes

[tawny elk]

I can zip up my local copy of the repo if you’d like and send it to ya @jade briar

Once I get back from lunch

[jade briar]

And how will it help me

[jade briar]

Yeah I manually downloaded the latest dxvk

Works fine now

local

Global

Should I stick with global?

Well, global is too dark in-game

[balmy chasm]

Career garage is a little overlit. Stick to other places

[cloud crypt]

I never used global tonemapping

maybe the lights in the Garage should be turned down just a bit so local still can be used

just a suggestion

but great job from you @tawny elk . The reworked lights look way better than your 1. Version

[ember river]

local is better for us, it doesn't crushes the blacks as adam suggested. Indeed a lil tweak to garage lights would be necessary

[balmy chasm]

Check out my video. Lights are balanced nevertheless

[ember river]

it is weird, the latest stuff from the repo doesn't look quite the same, even using default rtx.conf

[tawny elk]

I tried my best. I’ll have more lights done soon(tm)

[balmy chasm]

Turn off bloom. Also you have car shader flat in our repo, so no reflections on car etc

[jade briar]

But we need bloom

We also don't want the emmissives to look like someone's welding inside.

What. The fuck.

@ember river

NO ABRUPT BLACK SPOTS

I'm begging you

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, I say you can get excessive brightness from that. I did check with Bloom on, nothing went too bright in my places

[ember river]

I was struggling to make it look decent as the game texture is mapped on a 1:8 ratio, so, 1024x8192 textures. I begun to be inventive

I've seen how it looks in daymode and I'm so going to remake those in a next branch, can't look at it anymore

[jade briar]

I'm starting to think that e-man has never seen a road in his life

[cloud crypt]

haha XD

[cloud crypt]

you should update the repo... The files in the repo are the old one, the same i had

i cant work with the old stuff...

nvm im stupid

but how do i ge the textures_

[jade briar]

Use GitHub desktop or git to download

[ember river]

The repository has install instructions in the first page, only they're for command line users.
The main idea is to clone the repository into your game installation folder so the README.md file will be next to the SPEED2.exe
Next you must change (checkout) to the main branch using either git through command line as instructed, or finding the equivalent options through git desktop/GUI

[cloud crypt]

How to make an install extreme complicated

[ember river]

It is a tool intended for developers. It allows us to work with hundreds of developers simultaneously sharing stuff without having to manually copy and paste files by hand all around through discord/e-mail/whatever, and also allows us to go back and forth in time at any point, compare and review changes, approve/deny someone else's changes, make semantically versioned releases based on a point in time and much more.
It is complicated to get through the first steps, but once you integrate into your workflow, it becomes an extremely powerful tool to manage the codebase, specially as the project grows larger to the hundreds, thousands or tens of thousands of files. It is the industry standard for software development, a must have tool for sure.

I made a small cheat sheet page with the most used git commands in the docs directory, if you access it via GitHub page, it should give you some leg up to climb the first barriers

[jade briar]

It's only for Devs. End users will install releases

[ember river]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that. For end users, that is where the semantically versioned builds comes in. The releases page where we have the 0.2.0 file

[cloud crypt]

Ok, thx for explanations

I didnt used github before xD

[ember river]

Next release we're gonna ship everything into a single zip package where user can just unzip and all remix, widescreen fix, bridge, dxvk as well as the mod will be included. A single unzip and they'll be good to go 😉

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, but that should be done with the latest bridge and dxvk releases

[ember river]

Yup, we can ship any version we want in the zip, like ones we thoroughly tested and approved to package in a release file, so like, 0.3.0 will have dxvk version x and bridge Y, while 0.4.0 will have another and so on

[ionic prawn]

@ember river E ai, alguma noticia sobre o lancamento?

[jade briar]

uh huh

[tawny elk]

[thorny pawn]

the E in E-man is for Español

[tawny elk]

Perforce would be the “streamlined” way, but it’s an expensive system to get going.

[jade briar]

Yes.

[severe solstice]

[jade briar]

Because corolla best??

Idk

[open atlas]

I mean that is unironically true in this game

[slender zodiac]

This topic was created for graphics tweaks not gameplay
specifics stuff. Those A.I. setting on drift were designed and intended by BlackBox an EA Games Studios. And also i know your channel and i am aware why you are enganging here, it's not a suprise.

[rich plank]

👀

[normal spruce]

👀

[jade briar]

U good, brother?

My man said it is off topic before saying anything else

[slender zodiac]

Roads have to take some where 👀

[slender zodiac]

I actually good and you?

Just stating you should blotware this stuff with things out importance. Just it. Keep good work uncle you are doing good. I am also doing some work on background. Never stop, progress and consistency! 🙂

Ahahah nice try

We both know why you are here. Just it. Topic closed.

[jade briar]

Yes. He's here for the rtx mod

idk how hard that is to figure out

[slender zodiac]

Not everyone but like I told let's no develop this theme.

[tawny elk]

[slender zodiac]

I am not Brasílian but aware of stuff.

[jade briar]

idk whats going on anymore

[slender zodiac]

I just said we should keep right focus.

I wasn't trying to get anyone.

You can interate, using your pc to help this guys debug the game. And credit them when you use your mod for channel.

That's only thing needed.

[jade briar]

I have no idea why you guys are asrguing

[slender zodiac]

Good. Let's move on.

[balmy chasm]

Guess we are all credited in the repo, which is the only way to download package

[jade briar]

There's no need to be mean for no reason

[slender zodiac]

Until that is done I'm fine with it.

Yeah

[slender zodiac]

And for disclosure and to be clear I wasn't being mean or toxic. You guys need to be credited and keep things focus for graphics mods.

[jade briar]

Did you check before saying this?

[slender zodiac]

Nope. And I won't. Subject close Burrito. If he credits you and them everything is okay. Beloto had some issues on past about that prefer no talking here.

[jade briar]

Sure

[slender zodiac]

You're wrong on this one

But yeah I speak the same language as you xd

[jade briar]

Alright everyone. Shut up. I have to make textures

[slender zodiac]

Like i said i am not taking horses against you because I just wanted to keep same subject about graphics mods. This also turned outside subject to another stuff. Keep respecting this guys and their work and i will be fine with you.

[slender zodiac]

Let's go. Fire up

[balmy chasm]

Some generic concrete. What's that?

[ember river]

Morning y'all. I'm still trying to digest what is going on, woke up on a dumpster fire of a situation right here
Good to see you guys are slowly getting to an agreement though. Let's just move on with it, shall we?

[slender zodiac]

Yes

Agreed

[jade briar]

dw about it

[balmy chasm]

Move on to the models replacement perfomance. Have you tested something?

[jade briar]

The lower outsides of the highways

[slender zodiac]

You manually doing textures?

[jade briar]

Yes.

[slender zodiac]

Oh gosh but for really remastering assets is about it.

Take a few hours just to create perfection

Apparently the cut roads that I'm using on my remake are used on ug2... They reused stuff when cutted from ug1

I really remember seeing this on ug2... Specifically that rounded thing.

[ember river]

Nah, got sidetracked on the weekend with "socializing" stuff
And spent the rest of the time until now working on this:
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/95

New asphalt textures rework PR ready for review. For this one I'd like to request at least 3 approves to make sure everyone is on solid agreement

[balmy chasm]

Is it part of long-waited Uncle's request to remove black dots?

[jade briar]

Finally

[ember river]

Yeah. Had to stop the mesh stuff for common roadways walls I was working to work on this one

[tawny elk]

How does it look with daylight 👀

[cloud crypt]

The roads looking awesome man

But the tunnel lights kinda look weird or is that just because of the viewing angle?

[tawny elk]

The tunnel needs those lamps to have an emissive part to look right.

They’re a pendant with a glass shade.

[cloud crypt]

I know, i meant the lighspreading

[tawny elk]

Needs a better material on tunnel tile

[cloud crypt]

Because in 0.2.0a they look way better (the lightspreading)

Because the dont light upwards. They need to shine downwards

[balmy chasm]

Really?

[cloud crypt]

I would say yes

But im not on my pc right now. I will look into og game when i am on pc

[tawny elk]

I just used this on a job, they primarily uplight and give a little bit of diffused down.

[cloud crypt]

No

In og game ist ab bit different

They shine more down than up

Just looks different because of the spacing

[tawny elk]

With enough bounces and AE, you’d get the same appearance

[cloud crypt]

Yeah maybe, but in the picture of EMan they dont shine down at all

Just up

Thats whats triggering me

[tawny elk]

Cause the light needs an emissive texture to give off the down light

[cloud crypt]

Why with emissives?

[tawny elk]

If you want to make it work with the translucent material, go for it 👀

[cloud crypt]

Basically the lamp is just 1 mesh with 1 texture. Emissive is maybe the easiest way but not the most beautiful

[tawny elk]

What do you propose to do?

[cloud crypt]

Probably would have to edit the textures so it has a hole and then add a material to the mesh

But if thats gonna work is the big question

[tawny elk]

Translucent bits need their own mesh, so you’d have to split the mesh and do a replacement.

[cloud crypt]

Probably

[ember river]

The translucent pbr is most definitely the way to go

[tawny elk]

No I know that as a fact from CoD2

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, but we have to wait for the proper tools

[ember river]

It is the same case as the lamp fixture nv used in morrowind demo

[tawny elk]

There’s no color support for translucent so all you can do is the normals, and IOR.

Just an FYI

[ember river]

We already have a translucent material

Oh boy

[cloud crypt]

Thats not what i meant

I meant the mesh replacement

So maybe adding emissives would work for the moment

But not on long time

[ember river]

Well then emission might be way to go indeed, atm, but definitely this should be using translucent material with roughness properties

[tawny elk]

We can do that too now

[cloud crypt]

But complicated i think

[ember river]

Once you get the concepts of what needs to be done, it becomes a walk in the park really

[tawny elk]

Not really afaik.

Bout the same as adding a light source tbh

Ya missed a lot of progress

[cloud crypt]

Ok, many things chaged it seems because i dont know what you talking about with adding a light source.

I know how to add a light but not how to add a source

Thats probably how you could add headlights i think?

[tawny elk]

A light is a light source?

Just different phrasing

[cloud crypt]

Oh im stupid XD

[tawny elk]

Side Note: Can we merge all the usda layers into one for the release?

There’s a way to do it in OV

[cloud crypt]

We could

I mean, the releases are meant for public use

[tawny elk]

Headlights are going to be interesting, there’s an issue on the GitHub talking about a better approach.

[cloud crypt]

They dont need to be parted

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, because we can have different headlight colors ingame. Would be a shame if we dont keep that

[thorny pawn]

There's nothing wrong with observing and learning, people like me can jump in and help where necessary at any time with all of the knowledge they gained from "observing" and lurking

[tawny elk]

There’s not an easy way to get that working afaik

I suppose if you were able to mess with the mat hash, you could rely on the housing to give it the color.

[thorny pawn]

Are we worried about performance or something? o:

[tawny elk]

In game I’m concerned about how remix is handling that many layers. It seems to take a while to go through them all

[ember river]

I don't see it as a good idea. Having them separate allows users to later tweak whole sets of features to customize the mod (ex: wetter roads, snowy ones...), And performance-wise, mark said the runtime flattens them all and performs the replacements on this materialized view of all the lawyer

[tawny elk]

Oh so it’s just it flattening it, got it 👍

[ember river]

Lawyer wtf

[balmy chasm]

Are you sure? Last time I tested I was able to see a difference between white and gray transparent textures

[tawny elk]

#1099591203768504421 message

We’re talking about having colored glass, I think for that pendant you could get away with messing with just the IOR and a normal map though

[balmy chasm]

Are you talking not about a standard material we modify for most replacements?

[tawny elk]

No I’m talking about the translucent material.

[ember river]

Unless, we make an artistic choice to change the very shape of the fixture so it can use the materials we have at hand rn. The only places I remember those lamps being used is in this west tunnel to beacon hills and that other one in jackson heights

It has an X shape which I supposed might be made out of wood, or maybe a brushed copper-looking metal, and everything could be made out of refractive glass like you proposed

[balmy chasm]

What about, again, placing second light under this lamp to fake the translucency

[tawny elk]

The problem is that the surface of the lamp isn’t lit up like it should be, adding a source below it will look kinda weird since the frame will also be lit up

[ember river]

also overexposition

[tawny elk]

It’ll look fine with just the emissive I believe.

[balmy chasm]

Emissive won't cast light

[tawny elk]

The cloudiness of the glass shade kind of absorbs all the light passing through it to illuminate so it doesn’t really do that much in really life

[balmy chasm]

As you can see on screenshot it does emit a bit, but yet visible light shape

[tawny elk]

If you’re dead set on adding that source go for it, then share it with us and we can discuss 👍

I believe it’s named “TunnelPendant” in the lighting usda

[ember river]

I couldn't hold myself from making a mesh replacement for that fixture @balmy chasm 😅
Think I'll just drop it here once I'm done so we can analyse what looks better

[tawny elk]

You’ll need to change the light source to have a 180 degree shape (?). I believe it’s set to something in and 60s

Ideally, there’d be a light source for each leaf of the fixture

Although taking a second look at it, there was just one big one at the center above the center cap.

[rich plank]

I know too.

[rich plank]

There are so many things in my life that could have been very different if that had happened.

[jade briar]

the what

[rich plank]

Nothing.

[jade briar]

ok

[rich plank]

When the time comes, everyone will know.

I'm done.

I'm looking for some decent asphalt textures for MW

i tried to use some textures from World, but they looks strange

[ember river]

You can use the ones I posted earlier today. The granularity of details and style in it should suit MW's mood decently too. Took the pictures myself so, my home's road is in the game now
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/tree/asphalt-rework/rtx-remix/mods/gameReadyAssets/02_materials/03_global/01_roads
#1103377328530276403 message

[rich plank]

looks nice
thanks!

[tawny elk]

Now you’re thinking Best PBR reference is the actual thing.

There’s still that road surface website I posted where you can see the grayscale and displacement map of any road in a whole state.

[ember river]

There is transmittance color 🤔

[tawny elk]

It doesn’t project

We tried yesterday with CoD2 and it’s not implemented

[ember cobalt]

it changed the color of the glass in barnyard, but it doesn't actually affect the color of light passing through it

[slender zodiac]

😂👀

[cobalt peak]

Whos preset is that?

[cloud crypt]

Thats normal 0.2.0 with Burtitos old textures and my old lights

[cloud crypt]

Looks nice

[ember river]

Well, ingame it looks something like this. Not sure about it. Might need a few tweaks maybe

ignore the bleedingly red copper

[tawny elk]

Needs to be way more cloudy which I don’t know how to pull off with remix.

Did you try a high IOR yet?

[jade briar]

Just make a cloudy glass, put a light where it should be, and one right under the thing

I'm pretty sure glass in remix doesn't do anything fancy with the light. It can't. Has to run in realtime

[ember river]

I'm using 1.49, for acrylic glass

[tawny elk]

Damn. I’m outa ideas

[rich plank]

man
that tunnel finally looks good

you just could change that wall texture, that ain't aged well

[ember river]

Yeah, I went experimental mode with the PBR maps as I was struggling to get it looking right with all the noise in the path tracer. I'd also like to make some mesh replacements for those walls, the normals are all flat and weird. With that, new textures too

[rich plank]

can i make a suggestion?

[ember river]

Sure, please

[sharp sinew]

#1099591203768504421 message

[rich plank]

2019

i got no internet in my home
I wasn't starving, but things were tough
but i had a dream, make history in NFS community

i used to get my phone, and went to a gas station near to my house, to use their wifi connection, so that i was able to download all the stuff i need

got back to home in the early midnight and start to work on my projects

you asked about them for me, i remember that
i remember you asking me to make that car of yours back in the day

and i made it

[sharp sinew]

da fuq are these two on about?

[rich plank]

i made it just for you
you said it right, i was a big fan of you

i remember that.

"Guys, what cars you want? Who made this bizarre car was a subscriber..."

why you didn't said "nice", instead of say "bizarre"?

and later that

you made it again, but even worse

[normal spruce]

Idk, seems personal

[rich plank]

you are.

yes, you are

i was in one of the toughest years in my life

making impossible things

to make my dream come true

and you destroyed it, to 600.000 people

after that

i almost give it up

almost.

when i realized that i have true friends.

you definetly didn't spoke well

"look at this riced car guys! that is the toyota hilux that rolls over! that is the fiat marea, that explodes! look at this, they got no engines!"

your "sense of humor" destroyed me.

[jade briar]

What. The fuck.

[rich plank]

but...

i got up.
some nice guys, some REAL nice guys, have made the exactly opposite of you.

they saved me.

[tawny elk]

[sharp sinew]

I have no idea but i hope e-man see's nvidia shown me where the tick box is that makes the glass material work. about 2 miles up this chat

[tawny elk]

[rich plank]

I turned around.

[humble niche]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-fish-spongebob-fishes-spongebob-staring-spongebob-crowd-gif-21857280

[rich plank]

I don't wish you harm in any way.

[ember river]

heyo, watcha talkin' bout?

[tawny elk]

You can get the translucent color to work

[sharp sinew]

fuckin youtubers. one sec

[rich plank]

I just don't want what happened to me to be repeated with these guys, who work hard, like me.

[tawny elk]

Take it to #offtopic please

[humble niche]

#1099591203768504421 message

[sharp sinew]

#1099591203768504421 message

[ember river]

guys, please take this to dm, schedule a day to get some bear down the hatch and sort all those things out, like, really, moving on, once and for all

[sharp sinew]

be friendly ❤️

[humble niche]

As a wise man once said, 🗨️ remix-projects > 💬 Call of Duty 2

[rich plank]

now you're up against the wall, aren't you?

[humble niche]

I just wanna see the pretty bricks...

[normal spruce]

Poor man, he just wanted to seem sum good bricks

Justis for Anchorlight

[tawny elk]

https://tenor.com/view/group-text-who-are-you-people-gif-5620388

[rich plank]

For those of you who don't understand: I had a big project going, I asked our friend here for help, and he destroyed it with his "sense of humor". Destroyed my dreams. Don't let this happen to you. My job is done.

[tawny elk]

Okay.

[humble niche]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-okay-ok-alright-fine-gif-16088892

[ember river]

Oooomg. my adhd prevents me from hoping too much between threads so I end up loosing a lot of conversations.
Is it a config in the runtime? or a raw parameter for the mesh in OV or...?

[jade briar]

Jboy and beloto. My brothers. There's a thing called direct messages. We're kinda trying to work here.

[rich plank]

as a "friend", i just got one thing to say:
don't let him get your stuff.
that's it.

i'm done about it.

[humble niche]

It's a public repo 🤣

[rich plank]

after four years, i'm finally done.
now i can take my life peacefully.

[sharp sinew]

In rtx menu in game Check the box in Path Tracing -> Resolver -> Direct Translucent Shadows

[rich plank]

our debt is paid, "friend".

my goal was just to show the truth for everyone.

peace.

[humble niche]

Dude. Listen. It's really not worth that-- I'd encourage you to please take a step back and think about things.

[broken mango]

@trail quail e @rich plank pf, sou um amigo de um dos devs e o grupo dele usam esse lugar pra trabalhar, vcs podem mover isso pras dms

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-suspicious-raised-eyebrow-gif-23352998

[rich plank]

já está resolvido, amigo
obrigado

depois de quatro anos, estou em paz novamente.

[jade briar]

Oh boy. Now we're getting into foreign language territory

[broken mango]

gg then

[broken mango]

Y E S

[normal spruce]

it's the whole package meu parça

Peace people

[jade briar]

Y'all got way too much time on your hands

💀

[ember river]

Hmm it didn't work (without / with the option ticked)

[sharp sinew]

Is the glass single sided?

[rich plank]

man
i think that lamp was supposed to be like this
that "bowl" needs to be opaque, i think

[ember river]

nope, it has 2 meshes for each side

[sharp sinew]

Nice so don't tick thin walled in the material and untick use diffuse

[ember river]

I'm just testing the translucent transmission of the material

[sharp sinew]

It's for science

[ember river]

The gods hate me

[sharp sinew]

Untick use diffuse

Shouldn't be red then

[rich plank]

or, you can simulate some real life dirt effect ahaha
some dead bugs and lots of dirt inside the "bowl"

[sharp sinew]

That would be cool yea

[ember river]

I just ticked because you told, it was disabled before and wasn't working. Maybe it only works with texture maps, not constant colors

[sharp sinew]

Oh sorry yea I see

You need a diffuse map

[ember river]

well that would be cool, but lets say I "black boxed" the uvs a bit

[sharp sinew]

Just a texture of a solid colour will do

Didn't think material replacement worked without a diffuse texture

[ember river]

red.png it is

sec

[sharp sinew]

Maaaate you replacing red with red

Gren?

[ember river]

it didn't work too, both with and without "use diffuse layer"

[sharp sinew]

Damn. I'll play with it more tomorrow and get back to you

[ember river]

If you wanna try them up

[sharp sinew]

Thank you

[rich plank]

you said that you will replace some meshes, right?

[tawny elk]

Try making it so it’s just a plane and checking the thin walled bool

[ember river]

time for some megalovania tunes ma buoy

[jade briar]

Plan is to replace most of the stuff

[ember river]

sry, yes. We're already replacing stuff. This lamp fixture is an example

[rich plank]

you could remove that big lamp and install some led plates directly on the wall, on the side

there's a small tunnel on coal harbor with this style, if you know what i mean

[jade briar]

We don't want to change the style of the original game

Those lamps are pretty iconic

[tawny elk]

Feels more like Doom

[jade briar]

Which?

[tawny elk]

The red

[jade briar]

WHICH DOOM

[tawny elk]

Ohhh

2016

[jade briar]

2016 was mostly orange

[tawny elk]

That is true.

Time to find any more low hanging fruit for mesh replacement

[jade briar]

--My nuts--

[ember river]

Ok so the minimum requirements to have colored shadows from translucent materials are 3:

• Mark the thin walled property on your beloved material
• In game in remix menu, go to Path Tracer > Resolver > enable Direct Translucent Shadows.
• If is a mesh replacement, it can be single sided, as long as the polygons face the side where light is supposed to be "transported"? adam plis sry

I screwed up my text

material in a sec

thanks @sharp sinew and @tawny elk
another awesome breakthrough

[tawny elk]

I'm stunlocked on CoD2 culling at the moment or I'd have more lighting and breakthroughs for ya.

[cloud crypt]

Not red pls, my eyes are hurting

But great achievement anyway

[tawny elk]

Think it's just a test

[jade briar]

He thinks it's just a test

[tawny elk]

[ember river]

Yeah, like, what better than bleeding red like burrito's broken rtx.conf style to show if the thing is really working?

[ember cobalt]

thin walled is very key for good looking glass. looks pretty good now

[ember cobalt]

buuut how did you get the red lighting?

[jade briar]

Listen. I kept experimenting with different settings for so long that things eventually started to fall apart

[tawny elk]

See #1103377328530276403 message

[ember river]

There is a light source placed inside the glass. The red tint is produced by the material's thin wall simulation

[ember cobalt]

i thought transmittance color was broken?

[tawny elk]

Guess not Peter helped Tadpole figure out the levers to pull to make it work

[ember river]

Makes sense to be disabled by default though. Colored shadows in path tracers are expensive to compute afaik

[tawny elk]

||Peter still hasn't helped with getting the drawcall hashes stable in COD even though we offered him a trip to Disney Land ||

[ember cobalt]

mm if that's the reward i'll work even harder on it 😛

[jade briar]

[rich plank]

you need to put it in a dirty color, or something

[tawny elk]

Its perfect

[ember river]

There is a minor inconvenience. Normals won't work on thin walled materials

So I had to fall back to non-colored glass with the cloudy normals, and it looks actually really good

Another PR for the new lamps:
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/96

[jade briar]

Approved

[slender zodiac]

This is being replaced on real time?

because that flickering...

[ember river]

Yup, sort of speak. In the remix's way.
I have some weird flickering but my gpu is a 3060, I run in performance mode

[slender zodiac]

oh i'm getting it

maybe render distance is low in counter part for perfomance but the nvidea team

because that really looks it's being replaced by closeview

i can't used that yet because i stuck to 1050

but once i get 4090 and new right i will help

[blazing bone]

Is the screen flickering?

Is it portal prelude runtime?

[tawny elk]

Tadpole ran into the same issue. Seems like DLSS

He told Peter about it, so Nvidia knows

[open atlas]

@tawny elk can you send me the patch file for the exe and I'll see if I can find someone to make into an ASI?

It wasn't pinned and I don't want to scroll up for it

[tawny elk]

Uh sure

I think I have a 1337 file somewhere that's just a plaintext file with the offsets

[ember river]

Yup

[slender zodiac]

One question this are offsets from exe?

If soo i can enter on subject and help

[cobalt peak]

Do you still make your own presets?

[jade briar]

What

[jade briar]

It's caused by unstable motion vectors

[blazing bone]

Disable gsync

Or freesync

Wait what is flickering?

The entire screen or the ingame lights?

[tawny elk]

Yes I believe so

[tawny elk]

DLSS starts flickering when the translucent shader is used.

[tawny elk]

Update: Still don’t have any idea why the crowds don’t render

[jade briar]

Shaders

[tawny elk]

[open atlas]

https://github.com/nlgxzef/NFSU2AntiCull @tawny elk

[tawny elk]

@ember river I did some digging, heres a good video of just driving around Seattle to get a feel for what all the various things look like https://youtu.be/53r5OKjPIu8

[tawny elk]

I know there’s a bunch of little things that I don’t even realize are different.

[jade briar]

https://youtu.be/53yS7QvzZwc

This has to be the most scuffed showcase of the game to date

[dusty grove]

That's why we need new repo release. Last one was what? 2 month ago?

[jade briar]

yes

But he fucked the game up

[open atlas]

@ember cobalt can we pin this

[ember cobalt]

i would suggest you guys trying to combine stuff like this into one larger post

[cloud crypt]

This is "gamechanging"

@tawny elk your Culling mod increased somehow the Trafiic density (this is a good thing though)

[tawny elk]

It also breaks it if you stand still I think.

[ember river]

Hm I've noticed that but thought it was something from the game. Many times I stop to look at something and the traffic is just jammed

[tawny elk]

I’ll revisit reverse engineering in depth after I do Hitman 2, so Underground 2 is 3rd in the queue. I’m hoping to get a lot of the features that the FF rendering took out and improve the games drawing system.

[rich plank]

any plans for some sound refreshing?

i mean, the original engine sounds aren't realistic

i always hated that ferrari sound in the fully tuned jdm's

i got some stuff from other NFS games, some more realistic engine sounds

[balmy chasm]

Remix is all about visuals, so I assume you just use default NFSU2 mods for this purpose

[rich plank]

okay

[slender zodiac]

Wait one sec where's is ug1 and mw topic?

The guy on video said that were also working on it. It's real?

[tawny elk]

There’s a MW thread

[slender zodiac]

I saw it

Good thing this tool happened

I gonna kick some ass when i have my gpu on mw

For nfsuremake

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

@tawny elk what if we replace the crowd shader

[tawny elk]

The write new shader is the tough bit for me

[jade briar]

Hmm

[slender zodiac]

Shader compiler for Nvidea or game shader?

[cobalt peak]

I mean, own RTX Remix configs

You used to make some and post vids on YT.

[jade briar]

We have a shared config now

So that everyone sees the same thing

[cobalt peak]

Oh where is it

I mean, where do I find the download?

[tawny elk]

[ember river]

Heyo guys, could some of you take a moment to review the new asphalt PR? Should be real quick
https://github.com/users/Ekozmaster/projects/1/views/1

[safe patrol]

It rained last night. A lot. And then afterwards I went out and took a really good look at the wet roads. I tried to take some pictures to capture the look, not sure if they really turned out.

[balmy chasm]

#95?

[ember river]

It is so interesting to stop and analyse references like that. There is so much interesting factors that determines the look of many different asphalt types. The composition of the rocks, temperature of the region, traffic load and type of vehicles, how many patches it had, how many layers of materials were applied and composed, the tar application, the direction in which the machines applied and solidified the materials...
Your pics as an example shows an asphalt that hasn't suffered much from directional traffic load + heat smoothing the surface since it is the end of a road, so the rocks are very pointy and noisy, although there is some potholes and patches, due to how vehicles tend to engage the brakes before approaching the driveway entrances

Sometimes I feel like stopping a while to make a procedural parametrizable texture tool considering all those factors just for the fun of exploring it

[jade briar]

Day 756 of waiting for advanced post processing in remix

[sharp sinew]

Just said something along those lines in cod2 project channel
#1099591203768504421 message

They busy getting remix sorted though, we gotta be patient

[jade briar]

I'm looking for things like

Color grading

Better bloom

Lens flare

Lens dust

Imagine

Dynamic lens dirt

[tawny elk]

[slender zodiac]

@tawny elk

[tawny elk]

No idea what's happening

[ember river]

hmm how did you install it? Did you follow the install for devs using git or did you download the release 0.2.0 file and unzip in the game folder?

Hmm and the rtx.conf file you picked from the zip file or from rtx-remix-defaults folder?

should be using the zip one

Yup, there will be a rtx.conf file inside this zip archive. Use that one if you aren't

The main page instructs to use the rtx-remix-defaults/rtx.conf. Ignore that, use the one provided in the zip file

in the game folder next to speed2.exe

if you just unpack the 0.2.0 zip file in the game folder you should be good to go

If you follow these steps in the right order and finish by unzipping the 0.2.0 file, you should be good to go
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix

In the end your game folder should look almost like this, except for the *git* files:

[ember river]

yup, this one you should totally ignore, just go straight to the zip file:

those commands and stuff are for developers

all of those files

bruh

idk what to do, out of ideas now

I'm not sure what are the symptoms exactly though

The installation should be about it

This is how my game looks btw, nothing wrong here

Oh ok, think that part of the city isn't lit up yet. In the 0.2.0 version

only the city center

ok, lets do different. May I dm you?

Yeah you probably have an old bug we solved a while ago but there isn't any new releases with the bugfix yet

sure. I'm from brazil too 😉

[mossy pelican]

Como assim porra

I didn't know it

[rich plank]

we got so many brasileiros here

eu sou tbm hahahaha

[jade briar]

I wake up
62 messages in NFS
I wonder what they achieved
It's just tech support

[blazing bone]

I wake up
0 messages in Garry's mod
I cry

:3

[tawny elk]

I wake up
Check every thread
Mark still hasn’t added our post processing volumes
I go back to sleep

[ember river]

Maybe those new lil fancy fency boys might light up your mood

[jade briar]

Huh

Cool

I have a feewling that they might be a bit too high poly

[ember river]

Yes, yes they are. Can't fall behind in the game from those portal prelude rtx guys

jk