NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[harsh topaz]

Hey I repo'd everything on github and got the game working, I want to help but I'm not really experienced in any of this, any sources I can read to get more info

[balmy chasm]

@harsh topaz this. And check pins for rules and other stuff

[ember river]

Cool. Welcome buddy.
Take a look at the #1096847508002590760 pinned messages too.
In a nutshell, we use RTX-Remix runtime (the thing that injects in the game) to capture snapshots of meshes, materials, textures and lights in a frame as a bunch of USD files which can be opened in Nvidia Omniverse Create to inspect and produce overlaying USD files with new custom assets to inject in the game back again, using the same runtime

[jade briar]

Huh

[coral kindle]

is it meant to look like this?

practically new to this

[tawny elk]

It's open to artistic interpretation.

[coral kindle]

i see

[tawny elk]

It looks like some materials are missing tho So I'd say prob not

[coral kindle]

disabling enhanced assets seems to bring em back

[tawny elk]

Hm, you did follow the guide in the pins right?

[coral kindle]

yea

[tawny elk]

Does the scene get dark eventually with enhanced assets turned off?

[coral kindle]

no

[jade briar]

Overexposed

[jade briar]

Just start the game

[tawny elk]

Agreed. I was trying to make myself giggle. It’s early in the morning.

[tawny elk]

That install got messed up. Try reinstalling the zip from the release page.

[jade briar]

Make sure the game isn't installed in the c drive. Or any other place that may require admin rights

[coral kindle]

oh ok

(it was on the c drive)

[jade briar]

Man.

I

I've been slacking off

I gotta get back into making new assets

[tawny elk]

Nice looking street light

[jade briar]

hmm

That's doable

But then again

LODs

They will look nice when you really shove your face into it

[tawny elk]

No need, full LOD all the time

Performance be damned

[jade briar]

It will be full lod when remix detects the specific mesh that it is bound to

Gott increase the game's lods 10x

Fuck it

x

100x

[tawny elk]

Ez

[coral kindle]

completely redid the installation process on my hard drive

[tawny elk]

Are you using the Zip in the release section?

[coral kindle]

i may be stupid

[jade briar]

That does appear to be true

[coral kindle]

thank you guys so much

[jade briar]

That looks about right.

[dusty grove]

Wonder when we finally get car paints... Is it all for all cars, or u need add them manually to each vehicle?

[jade briar]

It's something under research, because the current workflow doesn't really support changing textures.

[ember river]

Sorry mate, I fell asleep. Yes, mine also look like this and the garage menu is pretty dark too. Something must be adjusted. I think not everyone is using the repo stuff or synced rtx.conf files then the game might look different, but yeah, that was right at the beginning

[ember river]

This release is outdated and doesn't comes with repo stuff (.git folder, .gitignore...)

[coral kindle]

oh i was just using the links in the installation instuctions

how would i go about updating this

[ember river]

Clone the whole repo on top, throw everything at the stash and dump into the space, go to main and do a hard reset.

git clone ...
cd Need...
git stash push --include-untracked
git stash clear
git checkout main
git reset --hard origin/main

The clone bit might be a little tricky since the folder isn't empty, but is probably just a --force, or instead of cloning, you need to init a new repo in the game folder, add the repo url as origin remote, fetch everything and then proceed with the stash trick.

cd Need...
git init
git remote add origin https...
git fetch
# And then proceed with stash and reset --hard ...

😉

Also you'll need to copy the rtx.conf from rtx-remix-defaults into your game folder next to SPEED2.exe

@tawny elk are you developing using the latest repo stuff? Cause the lights might end up looking all different again. Since you said your main menu garage looks fine while the repo's is overbright, that got me worried 🤔

[tawny elk]

Oh I haven't touched the main menu garage since the last PR

I think

No I haven't, I did move the lights around in the folder structure tho

[ember river]

So ur still working on your own personal repo?

If ur working on ours then it should be easy to just rebase with main and get the latest stuff, as long as you're working on a new branch. If you're working in the same Lighting branch then it might be more complex to update 🤔

[jade briar]

Adam try to work with everyone else challenge (hard)

[tawny elk]

Adam trying to learn github challenge (difficult)

[jade briar]

Burrito try to learn github challnge (impossible)

[ember river]

Oh boy

[jade briar]

No one helped me

[tawny elk]

I'm planning on making a branch with the roadway changes soon(tm)

[ember river]

Np, I'm just checking if you have the latest stuff on your end, so we can assure everyone gets the same final look for the game 😉

Think it might be time to some git tutorial, docs or something

[balmy chasm]

You've already made one 😅

[balmy chasm]

https://youtu.be/v_1iqtOnUMg

[ember river]

I already offered him help 😆
He said he wanted to learn on his own to practice

[jade briar]

You said you'll do it for me

Not that you'll help me figure it out

[ember river]

Ohh, sorry then, I might've got it really wrong lol

[jade briar]

[safe patrol]

ok @ember river I had some rebasing problems but I think I got it all sorted out and the new hierarchy update pull is ready.
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/72

All it does is add folder structure so future merges can go in the right places.

[ember river]

Awesome.
I felt some stuff missing, prolly because you did the rebase with your local outdated version of main accidentally (Ex: before windows_emissive merge), so I:

git checkout main
git fetch
git reset --hard origin/main

git checkout hierarchyUpdate
git reset --hard origin/hierarchyUpdate
git rebase main

and got the new stuff, and also some commits ended up being dropped due to their contents being already upstream 😉
Could you pull the updated stuff and check if everything is alright?

Btw, I'll leave an approve. Seems everything is alright. If you check it and it is all there, just go ahead and merge that big buoy

[safe patrol]

yep I'll check, one sec

[safe patrol]

yep looks good, ship it

and as soon as that done I'll make a pull for a new manhole cover I just made to test everything in the new directory location

[ember river]

Cool. Now that you've mentioned, I've been thinking about a cool idea: With mesh replacements, we can replace individual road chunks with its own original mesh, but to add some "decals" on top, like manhole, asphalt patches, potholes, cracks... To add more depth and variety to the roads 🤔

[safe patrol]

oh totally. It's a shame that there's a perfectly good manhole in the game and the only place you see it is in the garage/lobby

[jade briar]

If you want to do all that work then, then go ahead. Be my guest

[ember river]

With that, we could go back to what we've been discussing @jade briar , about the GTA V roads that tile, yet they are not apparent

[jade briar]

yeah

[balmy chasm]

That's my commits which were approved but not and somehow they stayed there waiting for branch closing

[jade briar]

We could use gta as inspiration

Roads in that game look great

[ember river]

It is a good inpiration honestly. Los santos and Bayview share a lot of vibes

[jade briar]

yeah

[ember river]

merged 👍

[safe patrol]

ok made a pull request for garage manhole

[harsh topaz]

have Create's name been changed? I can't find a Create on nvidia omniverse, only an USD Composer

[safe patrol]

yep same thing

[harsh topaz]

Okay thanks, might want to change that in the readme on github 😵‍💫

Sent a pull request to update readme.md

[ember river]

I like this, @safe patrol 🤔
Should we from now on, structure the directories like that, maybe opening a PR just for rearranging the textures' usda files?

[ember river]

Left a comment in the review

[safe patrol]

yeah I can do that just to orgnize things better until everything gets in their proper heirarchy location

[safe patrol]

haha, oops! see this is why we don't accept our own pull requests

good catch. I commented there but yeah, delete.

[ember river]

Oh, if it is not the intended hierarchy, then there is no point wasting time structuring something that won't be the final structure

[safe patrol]

yeah it's temporary

it's how I was organizing everything before we got the official organization document put together.

I'll be migrating stuff to the new structure as I go.

What exactly is this supposed to be? Concrete?

[tawny elk]

I remember it being a like a sealed concrete or something

[ember river]

Should be probably a metallic structure covered in non-metallic paint, so I'd go with something like this:

[tawny elk]

[safe patrol]

ok I can do that

glossy paint

[ember river]

At least for these kind of shopping centerstands /fancy car lot

[ember cobalt]

sparkly

i always imagined it as almost a wax paper type surface in that game

[safe patrol]

ok I'll see what I can do

[ember river]

Indeed, it seems pretty rough paper like. Although, a reflective turntable would look dope as a first view when booting up the mod for the first time

[tawny elk]

Something like this amount of shininess?

[safe patrol]

satin/gloss paint, more on the glossy end

[tawny elk]

If it helps any, that is supposedly a power coated finish on a steel.

[safe patrol]

Has anyone already made replacements for these posters? Before I go looking for suitable stand-ins or asking stable diffusion to do it for me?

[tawny elk]

Probably very unlikely to be possible with how the UVs are in this game, but this is how the pieces are in real life.

[tawny elk]

That reminds me, I wanted to do some bilboards

[safe patrol]

oh that's cool. I might be able to do something like that, actually. The texture for this thing is just a big circle so I can do whatever I want with it.

saved for inspiration

[balmy chasm]

I made replacements for almost every texture in that scene

[safe patrol]

well push them dangit so I don't waste time redoing them!

or just send them to me and I'll push them, I don't care

[balmy chasm]

I will push soon. I have finished the last 'garage-type' today. Now it's a bit of lights, a bit of textures managment and clean-up, and then I will push

[tawny elk]

And it turns out I have no inspiration for what they should be

[safe patrol]

I wanted to go and find nice high-res versions of the same company billboards but there's pretty much zero chance of that being on the legal side of copyright law

[balmy chasm]

*This one, almost month old 🥲 *

[jade briar]

You could just bake a texture for the specific object

[safe patrol]

see when you take that long to share your stuff I forget that it even exists and start redoing it.

also, why are the walls tiled?

[tawny elk]

Just for fun

[balmy chasm]

Are they not in original?

It's been month, can't remember what was going on

[safe patrol]

nope. Don't worry about it though, I've got a replacement texture for the wall that matches the original pretty well

[balmy chasm]

@safe patrol I have posted my progress so far. So only Dynamo one I haven't imported to game

[safe patrol]

I've got a tire that's a bit of an improvement on yours too, other than that I'm happy with using your stuff

[safe patrol]

doesn't help if it's not in the repo

[tawny elk]

Is it a branch?

[balmy chasm]

Wut, show it

[balmy chasm]

Is it just upscale?

[safe patrol]

nope

[balmy chasm]

I believe it is. Original looks somewhat like that

[ember cobalt]

mesh replacements will help that, lol. looks so bad

can't imagine how bumpy it'd be to drive on it

[balmy chasm]

That's the reason I made it non-transparent

[safe patrol]

hahaha oops you're totally right I'm using the wrong file

ok I'll have to sort that out. I have an actual replacement I made somewhere, I must have put it in the wrong folder.

ok so ignore my comments on tire. But I have a decent wall texture behind it.

[balmy chasm]

Like a chipboard type?

[safe patrol]

painted plaster with wood trim strips

[balmy chasm]

Tiled as well?

[safe patrol]

no, just strips up and down. This is the original

[balmy chasm]

Are you sure that's not tiles?

[safe patrol]

you can see here it's not tiled

just vertical wood strips

[balmy chasm]

Why not then

[safe patrol]

why not what? Tile?

ok I found my non-upscaled tire but something is seriously wrong with it. Sigh.

oh well. So...yeah let's go with EAWorld's!

[jade briar]

That' doesn't look okay

I guess do a mesh replacement for these

That'd look a lot better

[safe patrol]

yeah it absolutely will. I'll let someone who knows how to do that take care of it

[ember river]

If you want, you can model the mesh and textures and everything, and I can do the replacement for yah

[balmy chasm]

Wait, why this line is purple and not brown?

[safe patrol]

ok quitting and restarting the game fixed it. His is still probably better than mine though, since I don't know how to hide how horribly low-poly it is.

[safe patrol]

I don't know. all sorts of things went wacky when I tried to reload that texture in-game

[safe patrol]

3d modeling is not one of my skills

that's a little bit better but still not great.

[blazing bone]

Just do a cylinder

In blender

Lol

[safe patrol]

I'm a very very mediocre texture artist. I'm much much much worse with blender.

meh. I'm gonna push my wall texture and leave everything else alone for now.

[ember river]

If I give you the mesh, UV unwrapped, do you know how to visualize it and make textures to it?

[safe patrol]

sort of. I'm not very experienced at making anything from scratch.

[ember river]

I've been promising a video on that but until now I did nothing 😅

[safe patrol]

hmm. Found maybe a replacement for the staircase in the back of the career garage?
https://www.sharetextures.com/models/building/stairs_1

[ember river]

Looks pretty good. If the licenses are cool, should work very well

[safe patrol]

Public domain.

[ember river]

merged 👍

[safe patrol]

alright made a pull request with my single useful addition to the career garage, awaiting further awesomeness from EAWorld

I haven't even touched the workflow for mesh replacement yet so if someone who's figured that out feels inspired to run with that staircase, go for it.

[jade briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694849625835700274/1128159000781918288/7eb6825f41424badaa4183769a1978da.mov

[safe patrol]

Do you need me to review pull #67 @ember river ?

[ember river]

If you feel like it

[safe patrol]

you got a bunch of thumbnails snuck in there. Care to delete them?

[ember river]

omg yeah, I added them to gitignore, but too late, I already commited a bunch. Want me to delete them or you gonna do that urself?

[safe patrol]

go ahead and delete them. Now that we've got the hierarchy update in, let's put the road textures in the proper place:
02_materials\03_global\01_roads

So let's make that change and then I'll review again.

[ember river]

I'm reviewing the last PRs and will go back to it asap

@safe patrol Isn't supposed to be a usda file in garageLobby?

[safe patrol]

yep I forgot to copy it, one sec

[ember river]

send me directly and I can add. I'm in the middle of a rebase

[balmy chasm]

*is it not "_roughness" and "_albedo" 🥲 *

[safe patrol]

oh boy. I wondered how long it'd take before I started getting in trouble for not renaming everything yet

[balmy chasm]

So those are metal strips? That explains why they change color shade

[safe patrol]

I couldn't use _albedo yet because kim's script with the ability to use albedo instead of diffuse wasn't working yet. That JUST now got fixed though so I'll go through and name everything properly now.

[safe patrol]

Glossy (laquered?) wood

[balmy chasm]

I mean, you've used metallic map

[safe patrol]

not for that one

the metallic map is for the manhole cover

Lobby, not career

[balmy chasm]

Ah, yeah

[safe patrol]

ok taking a break to grab some lunch

[final knoll]

What did you do to put lights in the headlights?

[harsh topaz]

I didn't modify anything, this is the unmodified main branch

[final knoll]

When I get into the game all the cars have no lights and neither do the NPC vehicles

[final knoll]

When RTX mode is activated it no longer appears in the game options to have the headlights with lights or without lights

[surreal ruin]

The in-game options menu won't do much of anything

Those are the settings for the old game

Not for the remix graphics

[final knoll]

Ok, that is understandable

[soft isle]

Slightly off topic I have spec wise
i9 10850k
rtx3090
32gb ram ddr4

I'm wanting to upgrade some stuff
CPU, Motherboard and GPU
I'm wanting recommendations
also do i go for a 4090 or 4090ti or wait for 5000's series?

Thank You.

[unborn sluice]

I think at this point switching to a better cpu would be a better upgrade if you don't want to get bottlenecked.

I switched from 1080ti to 4090 and I remember getting higher fps in CPU bound scenerios with a 1080ti. So my next upgrade probably will be a CPU with a 3d cache

Good thing with a 4090 is frame gen can eliminate the bottleneck

[ember cobalt]

the main benefits of upgrading the GPU right now:

• SER (Shader Execution Reordering) - provides a decent boost for Remix in particular
• DLSS FG - frame gen helps with FPS too of course

but SER isn't that drastic from some benchmarks i saw

and framegen is disabled in current builds

[soft isle]

Yeah Maybe I will just upgrade motherboard and CPU and hold off till 5000 series im a bit gutted as hadn't had this build long tbh and Nvidia not allowing frame gen on 30 series cards specially 3090 sucks Thanks for the recommendations truly appreciate it.

[ember cobalt]

having looked into FG recently, personally i don't really miss it

but i do wish i had SER

[unborn sluice]

Apparently old cards can't do frame gen as fast as the new ada architecture

[ember cobalt]

yeah, it'd almost negate the benefits entirely

[unborn sluice]

Personally FG is really a game changer

[ember cobalt]

i appreciate smoother visuals, but personally i value latency. high latency can really ruin a game experience for me

[unborn sluice]

I played last 2 spider man games in this month and without fg I was getting around 60-65 with RT+DLAA on. With FG I can easily get 100-130 so it really feels like I'm playing on high fps

I didn't notice any latency issues while playing it

Latency becomes a problem when fps drops under around 50-55fps

[ember cobalt]

personally i play at 100+ FPS is almost entirely for the latency, not necessary the smoother visuals. so while FG does yield smoother visuals, it still has the latency of 60 FPS or whatever the original FPS was

not sure if that makes sense

i totally understand your perspective though

[tawny elk]

Video Games

[ember cobalt]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/portal-with-rtx/3.html

i found these benchmarks interesting. launch portal RTX

[jade briar]

I tried frame gen in Hogwarts legacy

Immediately saw the ui elements getting smooshed around

And the latency got pretty bad

Never agiat

Again

[tawny elk]

I hope one day the shaders that are plaguing new releases get optimized. It’s wild how powerful these cards are and how poorly games use them.

[timid prairie]

Hogwarts Legacy was worst example of RTX in my opinion, when i decided to turn it off i had a feeling that graphics become better, and what is more important - i got more FPS, i would forgive low FPS if RTX really would done graphics great, but it didn't

(its my character from that game)

(sorry for off-topic)

[ember river]

Done. Can you review the PR again? Already rebased with the latest stuff in main

[hushed cliff]

I wonder if whenever AMD releases FSR3 can it's frame interpolation feature be used without activating FSR?

Much like FG can be used without DLSS being activated

Would be cool to combine frame interpolation and DLSS2 for folks stuck with RTX 2000s and 3000s GPUs

[safe patrol]

Probably won't get to it until the morning but I'll do it first thing

[balmy chasm]

there is a portion of lights outside the Dyno room, so I assume them to be placed in another .usda as part of "bayviewSpeedway"

These outside lights

[sage wraith]

The carcolor looks interesting. Is only the Green Part Like Foil?

[balmy chasm]

Nah. A bit of metalness and roughness tweaking for entire material. That's just some difference for white-gray-black shading of a paint. The real reason I choose such livery for my tests

[sage wraith]

Ah ok And is that working with other colores too then? Or is it buggy like all time ?

[balmy chasm]

Buggy for sure 😅

[sage wraith]

Hmm sad

Any idea how it is fixable?

[balmy chasm]

Nope

[sage wraith]

Have carpainting Any textures?

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, but it is kinda 'dynamic'

[sage wraith]

Okey so it is grayscaled?

[balmy chasm]

Colored. It contains both car UVs and applied livery on it

[sage wraith]

So for every Color it exists a seperate texture?

[balmy chasm]

For every color, every livery part, every color type(like metalic, matte, etc), every body part, every accessory type, and so on...

That's kinda dynamic texture. Composite material

[sage wraith]

Oke that Sounds good so its a Lot of work, but then it would be possible to create for every Color a texture

[balmy chasm]

This part requires further research

[sage wraith]

By us or by Remix devs?

[balmy chasm]

Us, I guess .-.

[sage wraith]

Ok^^

So i guess when i have time soon, i will take a Look to the coloration

[ember river]

I think it is not worth it that much for now. The search space for all combinations is huge. We would end up with probably millions of usds for every car, body part, vinyl, decal, etc., Not to mention it is incredibly slow.

But, on the flip side, just yesterday I registered an issue on remix repository with a possible solution to that and many other cases in which materials get randomize due to its albedo changing:
#general-remix message

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/215

Only it would still not account for the 4-5 car/wheel paint type (counting carbon fiber also)

[jade briar]

The values I suggest for car paint are 0.2 metallic and 0.05 roughness

[ember river]

I mean, we'd have to choose one: simple, metallic, pearlescent, carbon, powder coating...

But one problem at a time 🙂
Maybe with the ability to write custom shaders and remix allowing to grab the game's original attributes for materials in the gpu would allow us to make some pretty cool looking materials, even for those pretty realistic car paint with metallic sparkles submerged in the paint

[tawny elk]

I haven’t gotten to the exterior of the raceway yet. It’s a very interesting location tho. Way more detailed it seems than the freeroam part.

[surreal ruin]

It's not a separate texture like that, the game GENERATES new textures when liveries and stuff is applied

[ember river]

Exactly, the issue I posted above has an example of a texture

[tawny elk]

I still think the script that just auto adds the material definitions would be the best method 👀 I don’t think the implementation to have what we want would be as easy as that on the backend.

[ember river]

For me the best way I see it working would be a combination of two things:

• The backend forwarding all uniforms and stuff to our replacement material
• Being able to write custom shaders to grab those attributes and produce whatever we want (assuming, for example, the paint type would be an uniform int)

Then the replacements for decals, vinyls and other customizations would have to be done in the game files (bintex, maybe?)
Must be something we can safely share on github without redistributing original game files

[tawny elk]

Wouldn’t it be better to have the whole car’s texture be replaced using remix?

We have the meshes through captures, so you can use things like blender and substance to paint them externally.

[ember river]

yeah, that would be the dream. The problem is that the game reads the textures.bin files to generate the final albedo with all overlaid decals vinyls, and such

[tawny elk]

Ohhhh I’m catching up to you now.

So when it reads it, it sometimes changes the hash correct?

[ember river]

exactly. Every new customization generates a new albedo, and according to mark, the runtime generates a new material hash based on the first texture0 slot

#general-remix message

[tawny elk]

Hm. I’m sure there’s a way to disable the texture bake somewhere in the binary.

Proposed solution:
Force each vehicle to use a given texture every time, regardless of what decals or vinyls have been applied. Thus providing one stable hash for each car regardless of graphic customization has been applied.

I believe doing body modifications changes the cars mesh hash so I don’t have a good idea on what to do about that.

[ember river]

afaik the mesh stays the same 🤔

If we lock a single texture, then players won't be able to customize their cars

[tawny elk]

Is the goal to have them be able to edit in game or with an editor?

[ember river]

I mean, gameplay wise. To go to the paint shop, add stuff, and so on.
If I got you right, the idea is to lock materials to use a single texture, ignoring decals and vinyls, so that the material would preserve the hash

[ember river]

For example, using the stock textures for each vehicle, without any changes

[tawny elk]

No, you can’t rely on that. I do that for my demo rx7 and it intermediately changes mat hash

Ideally you’d want to stop it at the highest level which is probably color.

Modified my proposal:

In the binary, modify the car texture baking to point to a specific color value, and skip the addition of layers by a jump condition, or by adding a given static empty texture for every layer.

That is given the texture is somehow different on each car model with just the color applied. Which I’m not sure of.

[tawny elk]

If the changes to what generates the mat hash are easy to implement on Nvidias end, that’ll be possible for sure.

I don’t have much hopium of it rising up in the ticket queue for several months though.

[ember river]

I see. I noticed some mesh hasehs changing from garage to freeroam mode indeed

[tawny elk]

The car renderer is much more documented relative to the rest of the game, so it’s not a trailblazing thing.

Be a good little project for anyone wanting to get their feet wet in some RE 👀

[ember river]

sometimes I feel like taking the time to study, develop and propose a PR for that, but their codebase is already quite big and there is so much else to do in the game for now

[tawny elk]

I would say that getting a proper “metallic” shader would be a higher priority from us than the car texture stuff.

[ember river]

My proposal should apply to any use case in which materials are randonly generated based on texture changes, not our specific use case, so maybe that should give some incentive. Mark said the priority now for the project is to expand the tools' capability to ppl make more mods asap with more projects 🤔

[ember river]

Unlocking custom shaders on itself would already be a huge achievement

[tawny elk]

||Sims 2 ||

[ember river]

On the meantime, maybe that issue might receive some attention

[tawny elk]

Just write a custom slang shader based off the one in use now ||/s not very easy ||

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

Maybe we beg mark for a spec of the shaders and then we can work with that

I don’t wanna RE when the engineer is watching me try to piece things together.

[ember river]

I'm rather new to the rtx pipeline, honestly I know very little about writting stuff to pathtracers and such, I'm more experienced with raster stuff. So there is already a learning curve. Luckly we have chatGPT nowadays

[tawny elk]

I know about the physics and properties of light that PT and RT attempt to simulate.

No idea on rasterization things besides they reinvent the wheel when you can just simulate light and be done. Super EZ

You can even do the really fun tricks if you step into full spectrum rendering and abandon that silly RGB thing.

||Mark pls tell rendering team I need the whole light spectrum taken into account so I can do a dispersive prism.||

[ember river]

That reminds me when I started studying raymarching. Another box full of crazy stuff, realtime 3d fractals, volumetric clouds, geometry warping/blending, infinite geometry, just wonderful

[tawny elk]

Give Mitsuba 3 a look if you haven’t already for what fun you can pull off when you use both forward and backward path tracing: https://www.mitsuba-renderer.org

||mark pls integrate mitsuba so we can have polarized windows||

[jade briar]

Mark pls

[safe patrol]

mark's on vacation

[tawny elk]

Plenty of time to think about giving us the whole spectrum of light to use.

We can finally have CRIs for lights to really get that lower saturation Burrito likes.

Regardless, would you guys be interested in my solution for disabling the texture baking on cars to allow for materials to stick? I don’t wanna go forward with it if there’s no interest.

[ember river]

Well, I like to play with my customized cars

[jade briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/387789607074529281/981610553162203237/cat-explosion.gif

This is u ↑

[jade briar]

I didn't pay attention so I don't know what you're talking about

[thorny pawn]

I wonder if it would be possible to just remove the texture from the hash algorithm without hurting the hash stability, UVs should still be uniquely identifying that stuff, and it would allow for material replacement with changing textures if I'm not mistaken, right?

I do hope NV finds a way to work with this stuff without any trickery tho

[jade briar]

@tawny elk can u add this sign?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/899470329087426571/1129456995385233509/FB_IMG_1686068605199.jpg

[sage wraith]

Aah ok that's exactly what i feared 🙄🙄

[tawny elk]

Need the “Live Laugh Love” one from HomeGoods first.

[jade briar]

But that's not funny

[tawny elk]

It’s got laugh in it though

[tawny elk]

So the idea is how do we want to be able to proceed with getting the car to have a stable material hash. Eman and Ivan proposed having changes done on the NV side of things, overriding any material assigned to a mesh from my understanding.

I proposed the idea that we disable the car texture baking to the state that each car model has its own static material hash and then all the texture work is done with blender or substance. This would disable the in game graphics and paint though. It’d all be done outside of the game.

I also stated that I’d rather have the NV team get us a proper material/shader that gives us metallic / car paint rather than spend time figuring out this mesh / mat thing.

I guess my solution could be a stopgap till the NV solution is figured out

[ember river]

I see this from NV side a great addition, since every game suffers from random hashes in materials. Ex: Every game has animated water somewhere

[tawny elk]

Ah, I didn’t think of that application.

Nonetheless, I’ll go poking around in the binary. The car rendering stuff will be a side quest for the culling main quest.

[ember river]

Yeah, if the proposed issue works as I'm expecting, it would open a box full of possibilities for a lot of complex materials overwrites and logics

[tawny elk]

[ember cobalt]

hrm

[tawny elk]

Okay, seems like that is the thing we're looking for

Remix is grumpy though

Lemme see if it ignores it with the release build

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

Oh buoy. Am I allowed to dream?

[tawny elk]

Pure hopium

[ember river]

@balmy chasm @safe patrol and anyone interested in texturing work, here is a spoiler:
#1108266959763685458 message

[tawny elk]

Strobe warning

[ember river]

[Flashing lights warning]

[tawny elk]

Let's see what the capture resulted in

[ember river]

2gb captures lol

[tawny elk]

It got props behind the camera

[ember river]

Hmm interesting. Maybe it is meant for dynamic objects

[tawny elk]

I'm expected like a 100MB for the whole map

[ember river]

Wait, even if it only works for dynamic objects, we might already be able to solve the problem of traffic cars dropping their headlights in the road due to anti light culling

[tawny elk]

{
  ...
  while ( 1 )
  {
    v12 = fabs(v11[1]) * v23 + fabs(*(v11 - 1)) * v21 + fabs(*v11) * v22;
    v13 = v20 * v11[1] + v18 * *(v11 - 1) + v19 * *v11 + v11[2];
    if ( v13 + v12 < *(float *)&zero )
      break;
    if ( v13 - v12 < *(float *)&zero )
      v9 = 1;
    ++v10;
    v11 += 4;
    if ( v10 > 6 )
      return (v9 == 0) + 1;
  }
  return 0;
}

Here's the "IsVisible" function

Yea that flashing one was it watch the light from the pole

@jade briar it's happening

[jade briar]

wai wai wai wai

what

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

I don't get the video

[tawny elk]

The light source remains. It doesn't disappear

[jade briar]

I literally see a disappearing light

Use remix's free cam

See what it shows

[tawny elk]

Doesn't seem to want to work

I think the game is having issues with it's streaming memory

[jade briar]

hmm

[tawny elk]

Lemme try something

[tawny elk]

Look at the surfaces count. Normally it's 800 in that but with the modification it's trying to reach 3000

[jade briar]

ooh yeah

Finally

Adam is cooking fr

[tawny elk]

https://tenor.com/view/cooking-cook-gif-26515278

Do I finally get that blue ribbon?

[jade briar]

Not so fast

It's not quite right yet

[tawny elk]

Back into the lab I go

It flashes in the base game as well

So I'm guess I'll have to find where ever it sets the cap on things and tell it to not worry so much

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

Hm. It's not triggering anything to free memory

Wonder if it's remix freaking out

Like from these errors: #1103377328530276403 message

Okay it's for sure not culling the camera anymore.

The stadium isn't visible without the change

[ember river]

[thorny pawn]

omg u legend

[ember cobalt]

progress!

[tawny elk]

Need to make 0x005BC408 a jnp to 0x005BC429

That disables the cull.

But the flashing is a bit of concern

[ember river]

just to scape the if block

cool

really really cool

[sharp sinew]

turn on developer tools for the free cam to work mate

developer options>enable

[tawny elk]

Can't it keeps reseting the camera position

That's why I used the camera yaw animation since it's the only thing that seemed to want to keep the position

[sharp sinew]

this not work for you?

[tawny elk]

I skiped another bit of that loop seemed to improve it a bit

[sharp sinew]

nan 😦

[tawny elk]

Nan

[jade briar]

Nan

Not a number

[tawny elk]

Nan

[ember river]

If it is really a IsVisible function, can't you just return a True from it instead of skipping the loop or anythin?

[tawny elk]

Maybe? It's just a jmp to it and there's some area to carve out around it to put in something else

It returns 2 if it's visible

[jade briar]

Oh also

It's my birthday

[severe solstice]

[ember river]

For real?

[jade briar]

Why would I joke about it

[ember river]

idk lol

Happy birthday buddy 🎂

[sharp sinew]

Happy birthday mate!

[tawny elk]

Happy birthday, I totally planned for culling to be fixed on it

[jade briar]

Thx u

[tawny elk]

Sorry I forgot to wrap it

[tawny elk]

I get an access violation if I try to skip the whole thing

Yea it's going to be easier to do some jumping around in the function rather than bypassing it

[tawny elk]

Okay so maybe just going to have to try out a bunch of things.

Or maybe I have it in reverse

I'll take it

Not fully disabled

But I think it's good enough

Lemme send you your present @jade briar

If anyone wants to apply my fix, you can use x32dbg to patch your exe

It could be made into an ASI mod, but that's kind of over kill for what it is

Here's how much behind the car it gets now

[ember river]

awesome man, just awesome work

[tawny elk]

Would a little video tutorial on how to apply the patch be useful? I don’t think most people here are familiar with x32dbg

[ember river]

Me included, never heard of it

For me just telling what to do is enough

[balmy chasm]

Just imported .usda files from our repo. What is this cute little sun emitting no light? also it doesn't seem to be selectable

[timid prairie]

Happy mate

[jade kayak]

tbh I think it's the exact kind of thing that should be made into an asi mod, that would make it easy to distribute as a completed file and not something you need to do yourself

Great job btw

[tawny elk]

If you know how to make an asi mod please do and just throw me on the credits.

[tawny elk]

#1129742848351273030 message TaDa

I made sure to include sound system trinity and the bliss background as required by tutorial law

[tawny elk]

Oh you just need to remove the bits after EXE for your present

[jade briar]

huh

[tawny elk]

It's just the patched exe

[jade briar]

huh

So you patched the exe?

Like the whole exe?

[tawny elk]

Just two lines

[tawny elk]

SPEED2_-_AntiCull.exe.NotAVirus.BirthdayPresent should be SPEED2_-_AntiCull.exe

[jade briar]

Well, yeah .birthdaypresent isn't a valid file extension, so I assumed it was a patch file

[tawny elk]

Ah, no it's the exe

You can patch your own exe with my hip new tutorial though

[jade briar]

So how high are the chances of this exe stealing my credit card info?

[cobalt peak]

Why does everyone say Rachel from NFSU2 is hot?

[tawny elk]

It doesn't like the nocd bit maybe? I haven't had defender freak out about it.

[jade briar]

She's generic white woman

[jade briar]

Interesting

[cobalt peak]

So a virgin

[severe solstice]

yes we need buy 4090 with you card

[tawny elk]

You can apply my patch to your own exe. I was trying to just give you the completed thing so you didn't have to wait on the tutorial

[jade briar]

I kinda figured out x32dbg while trying to patch an exe with another exe

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

Defender reaaaaallllllyyyy hates this exe

[tawny elk]

The one I sent or your own?

[blazing bone]

@jade briar hbd

[jade briar]

thx

[jade briar]

yea

I can't believe I can actually see the tunnel's reflections on the car. Truly a first.

[tawny elk]

Did it patch correctly?

[jade briar]

Yes it works. Other than windows telling me to stop every step of the way.

[indigo dust]

does that patch affect performance at all?

[jade briar]

A lot

[indigo dust]

ouch

[jade briar]

Performance used to be 40 ish

Now it's around 25

On a 4090

At 1440p native.

[severe solstice]

[indigo dust]

holy shit

gonna need DLSS lol

[jade briar]

I'm gonna try the daytime config. It should be a lot more stable now.

[tawny elk]

I mean you can disable culling completely and the game has a memory meltdown somewhere

#1103377328530276403 message

[indigo dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1129145176305193072.webp?size=48

hi adam

[jade briar]

Does the non rtx version also shit itself?

Lemme test

[tawny elk]

Not with the patch I sent out

If you do this: #1103377328530276403 message. Then it melts down

[jade briar]

Now, we just need to disable the lods

That'll probably be overkill if I think about it

[tawny elk]

I know zmenu has the option.

[jade briar]

But the distances can be significantly increased.

[tawny elk]

I can add it to the binary patch

[jade briar]

It disables distance culling. Which I always have enabled because it improves lights popping in the distance

[tawny elk]

There's a LOD option in there somewhere too now that I think about it

[jade briar]

Remix messed up and this is the last thing I see

[severe solstice]

[jade briar]

Is it an oom error?

[tawny elk]

No I got that error too during testing. I don't know what's causing it. But if you use the release builds. It doesn't pop up

Error is about futureGeometryHash or something.

[jade briar]

Yeah

Seems like a remix issue

[tawny elk]

It will go away if you click ignore enough

[jade briar]

Game is very stable

Also the day version is actually fully playable now because the shadows don't disappear

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

Adam you lied

[tawny elk]

My exe doesn't want to launch anymore Edit: God damnit asi file name thing

Oh no

[jade briar]

I've been smashing ignore for the past 5 minutes

[tawny elk]

Gotta smash that like button and subscribe

[jade briar]

real

Gotta wait for Mark to revive and then ask what this future hash error is

[tawny elk]

It's geometry hashes

from the future

[jade briar]

uh huh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/300020395434704896/1089451042825064600/Tikmate.online_7191105260184734981.mp4

[elfin beacon]

||BIG PAPA PICKLE||

[jade briar]

# BIG PAPA PICKLE

ok.

[bright hedge]

wasnt she brownish

[elfin beacon]

Color grading.

[bright hedge]

idk

she looked alr, the loading screen looked better tho xD

[tawny elk]

How's the lighting looking?

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/vibingcat-nfs-underground2-bydjdust-gif-19519990

[bright hedge]

pretty good but fix the car

[elfin beacon]

Driving lessons are necessary.

[jade briar]

Looks great, but learn to drive.

[tawny elk]

Driving lessons got it

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-inconvenience-f1-gif-26332436

[tawny elk]

Game origin

Kind of a neat distribution plot

[jade briar]

I think one thing that can be done is use the anti culling patch and the no world culling in the zmenu plus removed LODs to capture a huge usd with the whole map in it

It'll make adding and replacing assets much easier

[tawny elk]

The anti culling patch does help with captures. I’m currently slowly gathering all my captures together to have the whole map.

[jade briar]

Tru the no world culling. That also adds a whole bunch of things in the game world.

[tawny elk]

OV really isn’t having a good time with how much is in the scene tho just a heads up. Might be a good idea to break it up into chunks of the map.

[jade briar]

Back to specific captures of each area

[tawny elk]

You could try doing the whole map with zmenu. I’d be interested in seeing what it produces.

[jade briar]

I think it'll make a huge capture with ever single thing in the map, but objects far away from the camera will look like shit

[tawny elk]

Only one way to find out

[jade briar]

I'm pooping rn

[jade briar]

That's disappointing

There's some other sort of culling going on here

[tawny elk]

That looks like the whole part of the map that’s in memory.

There might be a way to solve that but I’m not sure if it’s really beneficial

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/benefishial-beneficial-shrimple-grouper-clamplicated-gif-26440220

[ember river]

Woww guys, so you really got the culling issue at last

[tawny elk]

Big thanks to the dev at NFSUnlimter for posting the debug symbols.

[jade briar]

Now that's illegal.

[severe solstice]

but 30 fps

[tawny elk]

👀

[ember river]

Maaan you got to update your rtx.conf + repo usdas & textures

[dusty grove]

are u now with ur pc? can u send it in zip?

[ember river]

omg, I totally forgot I promised that to u guys, sry

I need someone to review my bollards

[jade briar]

What do you want changed?

[ember river]

It is just that you're outdated, textures, the color grading/tone mapping stuff, these overbright lights and so on

[jade briar]

Should we just remake the rtx.conf?

Like delete and make one from scratch

[ember river]

Nah, the one we're using now if working great. It is on rtx-remix-defaults folder

I'll zip and send the new stuff for you guys

[jade briar]

wtf

[jade briar]

So what do you want updated?

I have that

[ember river]

deep fried bicycles

hmm so you probably don't have adam's merge for lights and stuff. Wait...

[jade briar]

I haven't updated in a while

[ember river]

Well, it is a 500+mb (1.2gb) file, discord is having an introspective time loading it

[jade briar]

Nah I'm gonna update it via github

[jade briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1009605042149543997/1100949265536254042/1rlk8eyujbda1.png

[severe solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-gif-25391399

[elfin beacon]

I wish it was real.

[tawny elk]

Can we get some of the branches closed on the github? The amount of them is getting quite large.

Also, is the amount of USDAs a temporary thing or final? I thought we were putting them in the heirarchy?

[jade briar]

Me too

[ember river]

Good one. Most of the were merged already

[ember river]

We are, slownly, migrating to the new structure

[tawny elk]

Gotcha 👍

[ember river]

If anyone wants to open a PR focused on that specifically, that would be great

[tawny elk]

I'm going to do one with the lighting usdas

[jade briar]

Should we get rid of hellraven's mod_lights.usda?

[tawny elk]

How about put it in the 01_lights and just label it something like zArchived-Hellraven_Lights.usda

[jade briar]

But that'd cause double lights, wouldn't it?

[tawny elk]

We don't have to reference it in the 01_lights.usda

[jade briar]

I even think the reason why some of your lights look overexposed, is because you work on just your lights, but when we get the file, we have both your mod and mod_lights.usda causing double lights

[elfin beacon]

Which rank?

[tawny elk]

Probably. I'll move his in the PR I'm putting together

[jade briar]

huh

[elfin beacon]

Rocket league.

[jade briar]

Just get rid of it

[ember river]

Oh I got confused too lol
D1
My top was D2 but damn...

[elfin beacon]

My bad

Oh same here.

[tawny elk]

Just a thought: is it still necessary to keep doing the branches like this? I feel like it's slowing things down a ton.

I know it's to avoid people working over each other but I don't think that was as big of an issue as we thought.

[elfin beacon]

Duos?

[ember river]

I only play 2v2. 3v3 is a clusterf*k and 1v1 is nice but I like the dynamic of playing with teamates, even though soloQ is such a joy

[elfin beacon]

Yes sir.
Duos is better than 3s and 1s tho if i solo queue mostly i get shitty teammates so i have to carry them mostly

[tawny elk]

Underground 2 Battlebit squad bonding

[ember river]

Yeah the problem is that git requires a little bit of experience because of its shenannigans, but I see it integrating our workflows really well. We can review eachother stuff and suggest some fixes, like the bollards that only work on my machine perfectly fine but in none of yours did

[ember river]

which rank u play at?

[elfin beacon]

D3 mostly in duos only.

[safe patrol]

I've already closed out a bunch of the branches I'm finished with - the ones that are still open are WIP still

[tawny elk]

Compromise: Can we get some form of automatic PR approval in some way?

[safe patrol]

I'm actually very much in favor of the review system we have in place now. Both E-man and I have caught a number of things on each other's pull requests that would have snuck in and screwed stuff up if we allowed automatic self-approvals.

Having a second set of eyes to at least glance over it is a good thing

[tawny elk]

Hm, well if you guys are okay with it then let's keep with it.

[safe patrol]

I know it slows things down but I think there's enough value in it to keep it in place.

[ember river]

If you guys would prefer, we could keep working on git stuff and you can send things directly to us, so we manage PRs and stuff and you can keep working on your changes without having to worry about git ops

I see even git desktop is a bit difficult to grasp

[tawny elk]

Nah it's fine. I didn't realize you guys liked the pace that things were going. I'm used to working in just a main branch or maybe an alternative branch to keep the speed up.

[ember river]

I'd invite u to play now but I might have a couple more matches before going outside to touch some grass, so maybe another day 😉

[safe patrol]

I found that chunking up things into smaller branches that are committed and then deleted and then move on to the next branch helps with the speed problem considerably. It makes it way easier and quicker for those of us reviewing pull requests if there's just a few concentrated changes we have to worry about too instead of a giant list.

instead of an AdamLighting branch for example, make a branch for just the small area you're working on. Finish that area, merge, and make a new branch.

after it's merged it can be deleted so it's not cluttering up the branch list

[elfin beacon]

Sure mate.
Let me know if you wanna play.

[tawny elk]

Oh yea that's the plan now, it was just the intial one that was vague

I'll hopefully be done with the hotel plaza soon

Then it's onto either the airport or the beacon heights.

[tawny elk]

Are we only using global tone mapping for the color balancing?

[surreal ruin]

Do we have post processing volumes in omniverse? Or are the PP settings only global?

[jade briar]

Pp volumes? Heh. There's bare minimum pp in remix as of now.

[surreal ruin]

Yeah no I know it's rather limited, but a volume is essentially an area designated in the editor to where it will be applied

So that different rooms can have different colour grading etc

[jade briar]

I know. Remix doesn't do that rn

[surreal ruin]

Right, that's a shame! Sounds like Omniverse needs a bit of an update!

Although that's hardly news haha

[jade briar]

Last month was like the first time ov got updated in a year

[digital salmon]

I have out of the blue stopped turning on NFS 2

🥲

[jade briar]

Huh

[digital salmon]

if I remove d3d9.dll, then it works, if I leave it, then no (

[tawny elk]

1st image is default Local Map, 2nd is the current Global tonemap, 3rd is what I'd propose we set the local to.

[tawny elk]

Delete the current d3d9.asi and rename your d3d9.dll to d3d9.asi

Fucks me over everytime I update remix for this game

[digital salmon]

wtf

updated dxvk #166 and bridge-remix, now not full screen))

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1039166311181320272/1129424325255118908/file.gif

my car is blue, but rtx makes it red)))

🥲

[tawny elk]

So what’d everyone do today

[tawny elk]

Make sure to put marker tape down to stop you from stabbing it with a shovel later

Every time I tell a contractor do anything in the ground they dig up so much stuff

[safe patrol]

2 zones done, 2 to go. And I need to reconnect the front yard.

Yeah this is all because when we had a new patio poured they came in with a bobcat and tore up the old system. So I yanked it all out and am redoing it all myself

[tawny elk]

Our frost line is 36" down so I don't think I'll ever want an irrigation system. Ice be spooky.

[tawny elk]

New patio Can you use RTX-Remix to heat up the grill?

[safe patrol]

My office looks over said patio. It's on the second floor and gets pretty hot in the summer. I've often fantasized about doing water cooling and sticking the radiator outside the window. But running it all the way down to the grill is even better!

[tawny elk]

Big cooling/heating loops are under rated. Wish residential places had things like chilled water loops and steam heat.

[slender zodiac]

@tawny elk @ember river just added Solids and Materials from UG1, UG2 and MW.

It's based on asset dumper code but this will allows to open those assets of global folder or stream thing. I am adding ug2 support too. I was just adding ug1 and mw

But i decided that can help... It will take while to figure model replacer on stream but will work

[tawny elk]

We can dump assets with remix 👀

[slender zodiac]

Yes, but I was talking about world edit 😁

For loading the geometry map and view

Not exporting

[tawny elk]

Ah gotcha

[slender zodiac]

After loading

We need a saving method and colision replacer

And voila half way done

[balmy chasm]

Collision replacer 👀

[slender zodiac]

Yeah it's world edit that I'm working for mw

[tawny elk]

[balmy chasm]

Garage textures

https://youtu.be/0ApmmH7zI8s
Here's a showcase for my texture work. I have uploaded all of that into the branch, but haven't created a PR. Want to do a little voting session to choose which textures will not be in the final repo

[jade briar]

Now replace the old models

[tawny elk]

Oh, just a head ups, if you do a capture before entering the dyno, as in during the animation, you can capture the whole room. There’s more detail in it than you think

[balmy chasm]

It captured all room. There are so many items in there, but none of them can be viewed because you can't move camera, unlike in other lobbies

[tawny elk]

Oh right

[severe solstice]

[soft isle]

Nice video It looked really good as soon as models can be replaced can expect a lot better as can add more stuff to make it look and feel like proper Garages

[ember river]

speaking of models replacements, good morning y'all (actually it is almost 3pm here but I just woke up), is time to understand why tf my bollards aren't working on your machines @balmy chasm @tawny elk

[tawny elk]

[ember cobalt]

nice

[dusty grove]

So u not gonna send it in discord, its just going to be released on repo?

[dusky seal]

I know this channel is for u2 but you guys know a lot more than me
and i think the motor of mw and u2 are the same
Why when I mark the ground texture as terrain does it disappear?

[balmy chasm]

Copyright I guess. Open in browser .-.

[dusty grove]

Actually open link

[ember cobalt]

yeah, i did

[ember river]

Yeah I'm trying to merge this bollards branch which also contains the 8k asphalt textures so you guys can also check them

[ember river]

afaik "terrains" are supposed to work with another different logic and aren't simply meshes placed in the game world. Just ignore the terrain category, the whole world in this engine is built with simple static meshes anyway

[dusky seal]

thank you so much 🙂

[jade briar]

Did you upscale the normal and rough maps?

[ember river]

specially those

[jade briar]

right

That's good

[balmy chasm]

@jade briar What's your rating?

[ember river]

Mark said we can use all the polygons so I'm gonna use all of them

[white pewter]

anyone know what could cause my game to look like this?

[ember river]

You don't have any textures in the textures folder probably

[white pewter]

where do i get textures

[ember river]

If you downloaded the 0.2.0 release zip file from the links, they should all be there. In fact, the installation that uses git commands or repository downloads isn't working as expected for everyone. Try installing using the 0.2.0 zip file instead of using the main page steps. There is a video on how to install the mod:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U32QaB23Mws
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/releases/tag/v0.2.0-alpha

[white pewter]

those files did the trick thx

[jade briar]

Okay

This isvvery neat

I'd say high res geo adds a lot more detail to the scene than just textures

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/sora-smash-bros-minor-spelling-mistake-spelling-correction-minor-spelling-correction-gif-24559742

[ember river]

Indeed. I'm being conservative still. This one has 1k faces only (before triangulation).
It has only albedo for now. I will add the other maps next and then will proceed to the top slab and the pillars

[jade briar]

I really want to get back into making stuff for this game

[ember river]

Why did you stop?

[jade briar]

Other projects, laziness, and lack of motivation caused by the mess that is the replacement workflow right now.

Also girhub

GitHub

[safe patrol]

Just make stuff and give it to us and we'll put it in GitHub if you're struggling with it

[ember river]

Aw man, I feel it. I see you've been struggling with git stuff, and haven seen you adding anything else since then.
Git is an awesome tool, but rn it feels like I kind of put you away from the project by proposing using it.
Would you be up to join a discord call where I could sit down and walk you through all the shenannigans so that you become a git expert and can go back to work full throttle again?

I just can't do it now cause Im going out, will be back home in 3 hours but not sure if I'll be working on the project

[jade briar]

I could do that. But not right now. It's literally 4:30am

[tawny elk]

Good thing added geometry in path tracing isn't that big of deal

[ember river]

BVHs are a blessing

[slender zodiac]

If you want later you can use my tool to replace models instead using rtx meshes replacer. You will have to unload/load sections of map

I know i am just saying this and didn't happen yet. But it's progressing.

I added today huff, comp and JDLZ compression and decompression

I am gonna try to do ug1, ug2 and mw decompiler + compiler.

That's alot of stuff todo...

[ember cobalt]

Mark suggested doing replacements in Remix iirc for performance reasons

[slender zodiac]

Mark?

[ember cobalt]

NV_Mark, one of the Remix engineers

[slender zodiac]

Oh... Well it's a good feature but beggining to lost the smackables

And other stuff because they will become static like it happens on maploader.

[ember river]

This is awesome, really. Im really looking forward for what we can build with your tool.
Indeed, mesh replacements make more sense to do as much as possible in remix side, since the original game will use FFP, which is reaaally slow to upload vertex data to GPU on every frame just to it be captured later by remix and converted to raytracing internal BVH structures.
But, on the flip side, there are instances in which the game reads and generates stuff "procedurally", which we cant just replace with remix easily. An example, the cars diffuse textures which are composed by overlaying decals, vinyls and stuff on top of the base color. For that we'd need to replace the individual textures directly in the game files

Im pretty sure there will be use cases for mesh replacements using your tool
Keep up the great work 😉

[slender zodiac]

🙂

[jade briar]

[slender zodiac]

Coding behind rtx is hard? I won't touch because i am currently with 1050 4gb and as we know isn't even close to hold rtx...

Oh i check now the usda

It's referes texture name + plus some code.

[jade briar]

There's no coding reqired for basic replacements. But the replacement workflow right now is requires quite a few steps

This is how I'd sum it up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028444668918235197/1128788259317751948/RTX.mp4

[slender zodiac]

Maybe i do it for ug1 remake

Because what I saw on ug2

Made this possible.

[jade briar]

First thing is that you need a rtx card

[jade briar]

Or any card that supports hardware rt

[slender zodiac]

Yep :/

[ember river]

The folks at nvidia are working on a tool to integrate everything. Rn we're using Omniverse Create to assemble Pixar's usd (Universal Scene Description) files to describe the replacements, and the injected remix runtime reads those files and perform the replacements at runtime. That for textures and meshes. So we basically don't do any coding at all, aside from some python scripts to help with workflow stuff

[valid geyser]

the domino meme where the small piece is pixar making toy story and the big one is people remastering ug2 wirh pathtracing

[jade kayak]

The big one is remaking ug2 from scratch with native pathtracing support

[valid geyser]

except its not from scratch

[thorny pawn]

Arguably this is way better

same physics, feeling and everything, just new graphics

basically the bluepoint approach

[odd dome]

would make an awesome loading screen

[slender zodiac]

We have one custom load

[jade briar]

stretch

[slender zodiac]

Yep

This will replace once the game is ready to take some screenshot

[slender zodiac]

Until now graphics are just vanilla mw.

And this will keep until I make the world edit to work

[tawny elk]

[safe patrol]

I've got family in town so I probably won't have a chance to have much activity in here. Feel free to ping me if there's anything specific you guys need me to look at or assist with but mostly I'll be away until next week

[tawny elk]

I’m currently need snipped by call of duty

[tawny elk]

Very true.

[slender zodiac]

https://github.com/bluesky-dev12/WorldEditor-UG1-Remake/compare/e4810ce6f88a...6542474f4bf6 Added tpk support and 2 stuff called cars and platformcrib compilers

they are actual just default windows app meanwhile the library is being work on

[timid prairie]

till NFS Heat

and yeah, mostly for picking these tracks responsible one guy, Steve Schnur, he and his team as i remember picking tracks for NFS since Hot Pursuit 2 and its still continiuing, yes, same guy who choosing tracks for Underground Dilogy choosed tracks for Unbound

[elfin beacon]

I like nfs ug2 most.

Like the songs were already made, but his choice was awesome.

[timid prairie]

I agree, i can only thank him for adding Black Betty and Riders on the Storm, i love them and i love relisten Black Betty bunch of times....but i have a feeling that at moment of Heat/Unbound he lost his touch

[elfin beacon]

yes sir.
I am trying to talk but my teammate don't let me/

[elfin beacon]

yeah i guess heat doesn't got that much good songs compared to nfs ug2.

[elfin beacon]

and btw, nfs heat tracks were composed by pedro so you know not the same thing.

[timid prairie]

Im talking about Licensed tracks

Original are fine

[elfin beacon]

oh yeah.

It's all about choice.

[plain lantern]

#RTX4090 4K

[jade briar]

just wait until you play with the no culling patch

[plain lantern]

i am suprised 0.1 looks better than 0.2

i use 0.1 version of UG2 Remix

@jade briar in 0.2 version ray traycing of icons is disabled idk why

thats 0.1 which i use

[jade briar]

which?

[plain lantern]

icon of info and races

[jade briar]

The lights in 0.2 are brighter

[plain lantern]

colors are not reflected in the asphalt

in 0.2

[jade briar]

Roads are different, so yeah

[plain lantern]

😄

@jade briar i wait for next version and now i playing with 0.1 😄

drift tracks and street x need RTX to @jade briar

[jade briar]

I know

[plain lantern]

look at left up corner 360-370WAT of usage power now i make undervolting and save 110WAT

260-280WAT gpu now takes

[tawny elk]

Ain’t resolution safe from that thing.

[ember river]

Guys, my PR on bollards mesh replacement is stuck rn, and without further help from someone else's machine I can't debug this thing and can't keep up adding new meshes without identifying what is going on.
It works fine on my machine, but on EAWorld and Adam's don't. Could someone try to run it and send me the logs or something at least for me to work with?
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/67

[dusty grove]

If it was in zip, or just saperate release on repo, i woud try it, but idk how to download it from pull request.

[ember river]

I'll zip the necessary files for yah

[thorny pawn]

Can anyone explain to me or link somewhere where i can read up on what the AperturePBR_Model.mdl is?

[ember river]

Idk of any sources, but as mark once said, MDL file isn't used by the remix runtime at all, the actual shader implementation that runs in the runtime is right here:
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/main/src/dxvk/shaders/rtx/concept/surface_material/opaque_surface_material_interaction.slangh

AFAIK, the mdl file is there to help creating materials in OV with the same inputs as the one described in this shader file, so a material from the USD can be easily mapped to this thing at the runtime

I should've searched the message:
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[plain lantern]

what if i change this settings to above than 4?

i see no FPS drops

[thorny pawn]

yeah just found that one too, i remember, so basically those MDL files are so that stuff looks close to what ingame will be like when looking at it in Omniverse Create? That's my understanding

I was just a bit confused because i saw the AperturePBR mdl in your pull request

[ember river]

Yeah, the MDL model is still referenced by the USD in order to define what its attributes are (diffuse, roughness, emissives, normals...) in the same shape as expected by the runtime shader.
I copied the MDLs to help us creating new materials in OV using that reference. Before that we're using the MDLs from the captures folder

[thorny pawn]

ahhhh i gotchu, i always thought the mdls in the captures folder were model files as in meshes 🥲 that explains a lot

thank you so much

[ember river]

Oh I see haha, no, they're for defining materials

[ember river]

Right here. It is still missing the whole "textures" folder, which is too big send via discord, but that alone should allow you to take a look at them

[ember river]

Oh, btw, you should also use this rtx.conf

[thorny pawn]

ye it's a bit of an unfortunate extension name xD

[dusty grove]

By now everything works perfect, im surprised

[ember river]

the light bollards are all working too like in the pic?

[dusty grove]

yep

[thorny pawn]

i'm so hyped for the mesh replacements

[ember river]

[thorny pawn]

i'd love to remake the fountain statue

[ember river]

Me too, there is so much to do with it now
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[dusty grove]

i used repo thing plus this files, maybe other guys have some diffrent base line files

[plain stag]

I can send some models to replace when it will be ready now is usseles but i think will he good make Rulles How many triangles / verticles will Have models becuase need optimized and make lods too

[ember river]

I'll make a git cheat sheet for many basic operations so ppl venturing on terminal can begin working with it more easily

[plain stag]

I dont want to make models for renders 😄😄 with 2 milions poly

Just want rulles

Btw where is last Version on Git ? I just go try it

Oh on pins sry

[thorny pawn]

I think its hard to set any limits on polygon density etc. you should IMO use as many as are necessary to make it look good/decent, without unnecessarily adding polygons, thankfully raytracing doesn't care that much about how many polygons it's drawing, but obviously you wouldn't want to create a Flat wall with 5000 tris

Basically use as little as is necessary to make it look good, and for very fine grained details rely on materials is what i would suggest as guidelines/rules for polys, does that make sense?

[plain stag]

i know for simple thing i dont think much detail just PBR texture

like wall with rocks

[ember river]

This is amazing.

• With raytracing and how the underlying algorithms works, we can go really high on polygon count, the processing power won't be too much of a problem, but still memory allocation is an issue, so don't worry about polygon count, just don't do excessively uneccesary high poly models, be mindful of the topology and so on.
• Regarding LODs: We are able to replace game meshes, and we're stuck with the same LOD system the game uses, which as far as I've observed, has 2 to 3 LOD levels at max, but I'd take a closer look at it 🤔

[dusty grove]

Are they ssupposed to be that small? in other places they are bigger

and u miss this texture. The rest its amazing this textures look spot on!

[ember river]

Yeah, like UVs, scaling of props in this game suffers some dark abuses

[thorny pawn]

game dev is wild

thank god the clouds arent made of bushes

[ember river]

good catch. Thx, I'll be fixing this one

[thorny pawn]

you mean a guide for mesh replacement or?

[ember river]

No, just for git. So ppl can start using it, cloning the repo, updating stuff, jumping from on branch into another, commit stuff and so on

[timid prairie]

im interested to try Remix version of U2, and im thinking to try it out on 25th July, can someone prepare by then a good working build that would be easy to install if possible? I think it can be arranged in the meantime.

[indigo dust]

mein gut performance

[ember river]

@tawny elk , do you have any estimates on the lights work until a next release my boy? @jade briar told us to wait until your lights work was done

[tawny elk]

If you ping me on that day I can put together the latest build.

[tawny elk]

Lemme check my schedule.

[timid prairie]

Sure, i'll do

[jade briar]

Adam is fucking dead

brb. Gotta play portal prelude

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

I was focused on my anti culling / hash stability efforts for CoD2

[jade briar]

wtf

He abandoned us

[tawny elk]

🫂

[tawny elk]

Let’s shoot for end of this week. I won’t have much free time this weekend since Oppenheimer and Barbie come out.

[ember river]

Barbieheimer is the deal

[jade briar]

https://twitter.com/PatrickJBlum/status/1681018055332069376?t=Vggs8harmzM7a0w_ulGenQ&s=19

Patrick Blumenthal (@PatrickJBlum)

🚨 BREAKING 🚨 AMC is doing a split screen premiere of Barbie and Oppenheimer for neurodivergent moviegoers

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[ember river]

Gen Z at its best. I laughed really hard at that, since I'm very included 🥲

[tawny elk]

Need that subway surfer addin for vscode

[ember river]

I'm more into gtav gameplays

[tawny elk]

Just to keep expectations in check:
Next lighting update is limited to Hotel Plaza, tweaks of garage/shop lights, and rework of Roadway lighting.

[ember river]

Next release lets ship everything together, remix, bridge, dxvk, widescreen fix and rtx.conf in a single zip file, so that we make sure everyone will be using the right dependencies versions and is much easier to install

[ember cobalt]

v

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/issues/2

there's a minor concern with licenses

[ember river]

That was my initial concern 🥲

I'm not sure if we can draw a line between one packge or another so we could ship as much as possible together and let ppl install by their own the rest

Our project uses a simple MIT license, which doesn't requires all of its modules to be open source, and the block referred in the issue seems to state that the SDK can't be distributed in source code form only, doesn't says anything about the release build, as far as my smooth brain understand about licenses:

(e) You may not use the SDK in any manner that would cause it to become subject
to an open source software license. As examples, licenses that require as a
condition of use, modification, and/or distribution that the SDK be: (i)
disclosed or distributed in source code form; (ii) licensed for the purpose of
making derivative works; or (iii) redistributable at no charge.

[balmy chasm]

If you plan to do garage lights, get mine ones as a reference, so we use same mesh to set replacemnts onto

[jade briar]

I mean. We can do it and hope no the nvidia layures don't notice.

I can't spell todfay

[safe patrol]

@ember river working for me

[ember river]

good lord, we have two instances working now. I woke up today, sad that we had none

[tawny elk]

You’ll have to point out to me specifically which ones you’re talking about. Or a usda with just those ones specifically.

[balmy chasm]

In garages_textures-and-lights branch

[tawny elk]

Gotcha 👍

[balmy chasm]

Is it clean repo install or you coppied something anywhere?

[safe patrol]

I merged all the changes in the pull request into my game directory

@ember river I have a small pull request to review. Just updating the naming scheme to be correct (albedo/roughness) and a few additional emissives I made.
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/82

[ember river]

Think he asks because EAWorld cloned the repo outside the game folder, and then copies stuff into the game by hand. Your setup might be the usual clone inside the game folder, right?

[safe patrol]

nope, I cloned outside the game folder and copied stuff in by hand

[balmy chasm]

@dusty grove Also did some copying process from what he said

[ember river]

He used the zip file I've sent
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[dusty grove]

Ok boys, if i remember correctly Adam said that he will make guide how to make ur car paint look like car paint, is there any progress with it?

[jade briar]

0.05 rough, 0.2 metal

That's it

[dusty grove]

ok were i need to put it?

[balmy chasm]

So that's copying process after all. And I may assume Adam did regular clone into game folder just like me

[ember river]

That is a relatively difficult process. You need to do that in OV, by selecting the materials of every mesh of your car body and setting those values uncle mentioned

[ember river]

Oh, my bad. I thought you had the repo outside the game folder

[tawny elk]

Is Emans repo is meant to be inside the game folder?

[ember river]

Yup, the .git, .gitignore, .gitattributes and so on should go next to speed2.exe

The gitignore file is setup to work in harmony with game files

[tawny elk]

Ah. Maybe I change my repo to live in harmony with yours so I don’t have separate folders anymore

[ember river]

The readme tell how to install using the command line, bit since I made it without testing, I missed a "-f" on the last step git checkout main

[ember river]

Would be nice to do some of that stuff with interiors using the AperturePBR_Translucent material, specially the casinos which are right at the ground level you can see how fake it looks like

[plain stag]

For shops

I think

But needs make interior too

[ember river]

Yeah, the interiors could be much simpler, some blurry low res textures would be enough

[tawny elk]

So uh

Does the new runtime do anything for underground 2?

[ember river]

Cool, time to RE portal prelude rtx

[elfin beacon]

@cloud cryptHey wussup buddy, saw you after some time.
I guess you were busy.

[jade briar]

I got rtx off'd

[elfin beacon]

lol

[jade briar]

I think trello is a good idea

[cloud crypt]

Hey yeah guys, mental health was down bad... I think i can get back to remix in a week

[jade briar]

Nice

Rest all you need

[tawny elk]

GitHub project pls

It’s trello in GitHub

[safe patrol]

yeah let's keep everything in one place if possible

[jade briar]

hmm

[ember river]

sounds good

[safe patrol]

I tried to merge and test EAWorld's garages and broke my game 😦

[ember river]

I'll take a look at it. More at the end of this video there is our beloved trello-like view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFQ-p6wMS_Y

[jade briar]

I see

I want to mod now

But I gotta learn the ways of github first

[tawny elk]

Make a branch, do you changes and make commits for each task, and then make a pull request.

[ember cobalt]

so who's gonna be the first to try the new binaries in NFSU2?

[safe patrol]

I broke my game. Trying to fix it first.

[jade briar]

mememe

Do the new binaries have dlss3?

[ember cobalt]

yes

[ember river]

I'm working on a README with explanation for the many commands + a cheat sheet with commands to use for the most common operations. Might probably help you quite a bit 😉

[safe patrol]

I don't have a 40x0 card so it doesn't matter for me

[severe solstice]

link?

[ember river]

My poor 3060 might be the lower reference for performance goals

[jade briar]

I'll start with testing out the new remix build

[ember cobalt]

i'm trying skyrim

oops

[severe solstice]

fg?

[ember cobalt]

frame gen

[jade briar]

That makes a lot of sense

[severe solstice]

nice, where is the link

[ember cobalt]

?

new binaries are in Prelude

[jade briar]

Ahh

I thought they were in the github

[severe solstice]

uh

[jade briar]

I'll have to download prelude overnight

Internet is pretty not fast enough

[severe solstice]

I don't have a portal, how do I get the binaries without having it?

[ember cobalt]

you don't, sorry

[safe patrol]

buy portal

[jade briar]

portal is like 2 dollars on the worst day

[elfin beacon]

I'm gonna watch The Flash and call it a day.

[tawny elk]

Did I get it right?.

[jade briar]

no

[tawny elk]

Fuck

[severe solstice]

yes but its strange to need to buy game for get a remix update