NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[tawny elk]

I highly suggest just taking a photo of the thing and making it a texture. 1 step photogrammetry.

[jade briar]

Ah

[tawny elk]

[ember cobalt]

ensuring it's totally flat when doing that is hard 😦

i've been meaning to try photogrammerty though

[tawny elk]

It’s… time consuming to say the least

[tawny elk]

Better yet, you type out what the texture is supposed to be, and then use the image of the text.

[jade briar]

Photogrammetry for models is fairly easy. Photogrammetry for flat textures is extremely hard. You need lots of speed, a extremely sharp and high res camera, luck, and photos

[jade briar]

[jade briar]

Not to mention an extremely steady hand.

I saw a video of a guy who made a thingamajig, that had a lot of lights in it. You attach the doohickey to your camera, and it uses a lot of photos of the object in different lighting angles and some mit maths to turn it into a pbr thing

https://youtu.be/7YGd3bcO_Ys

@ember cobalt

[tawny elk]

||Is that color temperature okay?||

[jade briar]

Uhhhhhhhhh

Yeaaaah

Adam take your pills

[tawny elk]

||1900k||

[safe patrol]

Most of the stuff I'm making is 1024. I think there's only a few things that I felt like warranted 4k that I've worked on so far.

And in the case of some of the tiny stuff only 512.

[ember cobalt]

that's how i feel about games that i've worked on

[ember river]

I see it is a recurrent difficulty ppl have been having here, how to author high quality hand-made textures

[humble niche]

Just draw the PBR owl.

[ember river]

I'm thinking maybe I could record and edit a 5min video with tips and tricks on my take and workflow on it. Wut u guys think?

[humble niche]

Jokes aside what's probably needed is a solid set of recommendations for further reading on general PBR info as none of it is Remix specific but rather an introduction-to-art set of resources.

[humble niche]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516

[balmy chasm]

My texture here. Definitely something you can achieve without using Substance package. Just a GIMP\Photoshop with layer blending and a bit of hand painting. Converting things to get Rough/Metal/Normal is not a problem when you have diffuse one ready

[ember cobalt]

that's a very faithful recreation

looks really nice

[ember cobalt]

that would be great

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/googas-wet-wet-cat-dead-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-20820186

[balmy chasm]

yet not sure if it's me or UVs messing ceiling texture

And here if you tilt camera all the way up

[ionic prawn]

@ember river quando fica pronto o standalone?

[blazing bone]

English please

[tawny elk]

||I think eman speaks Portuguese, he asked if it was ready to be standalone||

So forcing it to load everything seems unlikely. But if I can find out where it unloads things and just tell it not to, that might be possible.

[ember river]

Almost haha. Yup, we're Brazillians 🇧🇷. He is asking for the next release, mistakenly calling it "standalone"

[tawny elk]

I don’t speak Portuguese, I only roughly understand Spanish So I’ll take that as a W.

[ember river]

Soon. We don't have an estimate yet, but don't worry. Ill let you know when its out 😉

Morning y'all

Sooo... noob discord question: how do you guys get those much cooler emojis and stuff? All I have is the default ones (UTF-8, I guess?)
Pls tell me it is not nitro

[tawny elk]

Also joining servers dedicated for emojis.

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

I’m tempted to take a shot at redoing some building textures 👀

Like the wall surfaces and such, the lack of PBR on those kinda ruin the facade lighting. Need something to highlight with those.

[jade briar]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Ixdlj8apIxg?feature=share

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxY3Tfb1PAMhVafZ0ELbRLkozSo2I0CkMW

[ember river]

• Star, Patrick
  LoL

[jade briar]

This is the funniest shit I've ever seen

[wise coral]

r/suddenlycaralho hahaha

[tawny elk]

Any ideas on what to replace the billboards with?

I thought one should at least be something RTX related

[wise coral]

Wasn't expecting that, but seeing as NFSU2 was REALLY popular here in Brasil, it was fitting that there would be one of us involved in it

[wise coral]

Pictures of cats

[ember river]

Indeed it is my favorite game of all times. Huge part of my childhood

[wise coral]

I would bike halfway across town just to play it on a "lan house" for 2 hours

[ember river]

Honestly, I'd love to make some ripoff brands, but then we'd have to also replace them in-game, like, the performance upgrades and stuff. Maybe we could just come up with some fictional food, beverage, amusement parks brands, etc.

[tawny elk]

Hm. I’ll see what I can think of

[ember river]

Would it be too much of a push to add some bits of Nvidia or RTX Remix logos, since...?

[tawny elk]

I think that’s okay, at least to me.

Ooo, I had a thought of a big impact thing

The retroreflective textures on all the roadway bits.

[safe patrol]

normally I hate ads, but for some reason at least in this game I'm really fond of the real-world brands advertized in it.

[tawny elk]

Can use the anisotropic mapping for them.

[ember river]

emissives, right?

Hm... how does that works?

[safe patrol]

they're not actually lights, though, they just reflect way more than everything else

Assuming this is what Adam's referring to?

[jade briar]

They look edible

[tawny elk]

Those are “cat eyes” or road markers (I think). Theyre one of many retroreflective surfaces.

[ember river]

Lol funny thing, here in brazil we call the same, in portuguese 🐱

[tawny elk]

The road paint actually has some bits of retroreflective material in it.

[jade briar]

One methode I've thought of making them is increasing the specularity to 100% but remix doesn't allow that

[safe patrol]

they reflect so brightly that when your headlights are pointed at them they look like they're lit up, but they don't light up on their own. I've been trying to figure out how to recreate that sort of material in PBR, but I'm not experienced enough for it.

[jade briar]

What now

[tawny elk]

I think it’s the anisotropic stuff. But I’m not too sure. I can test some things later today

[safe patrol]

pretty much all road signs should be coated with the stuff too

[jade briar]

https://youtu.be/EPH566hvl3s

[tawny elk]

Time to bring out our old friend, the MUTCD

[safe patrol]

haha, I had to look up that acronym. Definitely wan't familiar with it.

[ember river]

Hm....

[safe patrol]

Getting proper retro reflective effects on paint, signs, and a few other things would actually be huge for Underground.

[tawny elk]

https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/ser-shs_millennium.htm

All public domain too

[safe patrol]

nice

[ember river]

I'm also no sure if anisotropic map would help in that case. It is meant to control the "flow"/direction of specular highlights, like in hair shading

[jade briar]

https://youtu.be/Bi_Tp1H9CDs

[tawny elk]

Fun fact: States that had cars before the federal gov really paid attention to cars, have their own MUTCD, thus having unique road signs.

[safe patrol]

I had started to work on road sign textures but hadn't found really good sources for them yet (thanks Adam!) and was trying to figure out how to do the retro reflect sort of material.

[jade briar]

Yeah anisotropy is useless here. What we need is a material with very high specularity

[tawny elk]

Fug

[tawny elk]

Lemme see if I can find the specs for road signs on paint color and reflectance etc.

[safe patrol]

how about really high specularity with a super bumpy/rough normal map? Would that do anything?

If the normal map is just full of tiny noise?

[jade briar]

Wouldn't work. Denoising will kill it.

That's why we can't do proper car paint with orange peel and all that

[safe patrol]

hmm

[jade briar]

I've said it before I'll say it again. Remix would've been a lot better if it wasn't purely a path tracer

[ember river]

Well, if only we could write our own shaders for the pathtracer
The effect we're trying to mimic here is that light reflects back only at the exact opposite of the incoming direction, so instead of a normal BRDF that diffuses/spreads light rays based on roughness, it would only reflect mostly at the incoming direction. Not sure if PBR itself is suited for that thinking about its implementation now 🤔

[safe patrol]

this is quite the rabbit hole
https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2020-01-0567/

[jade briar]

Huh

[safe patrol]

accurate reproduction of retroreflective effects seem to require that the rendering engine is specifically designed for it. Which...I don't know that remix (or any others) are.

[tawny elk]

Yepp

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-23/chapter-I/subchapter-G/part-655#655.603

[safe patrol]

Our best bet might be to find some other workaround that at least approximates what we're going for, like E-Man said.

[tawny elk]

Here’s the color standards. They’re in a fun format.

[safe patrol]

oh boy

[jade briar]

Specularity is the only thing I can think of

But remix can't even do that

[tawny elk]

Or is that just the reflection standard?

[jade briar]

So idk

Can we make materials for remix?

[ember river]

We've been using those aperture opacity models, which afaik, are shader files. Maybe we could mess with them a bit

[jade briar]

Yeah

Are they binary?

[safe patrol]

maybe this is a question for Mark. I mean...the nvidia guys have to have come across the idea of retroreflection already? Right? I hope?

[tawny elk]

Not necessarily. It’s kind of a difficult thing to simulate accurately in real-time without any tricks. It’s also kind of niche to want to simulate accurately.

[ember river]

No. I just don't know how they work

[jade briar]

Hmm

[ember river]

Should we summon the guy?

[safe patrol]

Adam's not optomistic but I think it doesn't hurt to ask

[jade briar]

[safe patrol]

well, at the very least now I can make good albedo textures for the road signs with the documentation Adam provided, so I can start there while we figure out the materials.

[tawny elk]

Also: here’s something that’ll be helpful, the sign folks from the OSM/Wiki community love making these https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:PD_MUTCD

[severe solstice]

[jade briar]

I'll do some tests in blender to see if a similar enough effect is even possible without having to make a custom renderer

[tawny elk]

Inb4 mark gets a rant reply from the rendering team

[safe patrol]

oh that's awesome and will probably save me some work

[ember river]

Well, it shouldn't really be that difficult. The fundamental is like the print I sent earlier:

[ember river]

This one

[tawny elk]

My man Technology connections with the 45 minute video on the things that matter

Apparently OV already has a retroreflective material in it for the Simulation stuff.

[ember river]

Can we grab it's MDL?

[tawny elk]

https://docs.omniverse.nvidia.com/app_create/prod_extensions/ext_material-graph/nodes/Materials/retroreflective.html

[safe patrol]

well look at that

[tawny elk]

I’ll look around for an MDL of it. It’ll likely be on one of the standard simulation assets like a cone.

[wise coral]

Wait, we can change the .mdl used?

[tawny elk]

I think mark said no, but it is open source..,

[ember river]

So, this file looks promising:
https://github.com/NVIDIA/MDL-SDK/blob/master/examples/mdl/nvidia/core_definitions.mdl
at 2134

[tawny elk]

You can link to lines https://github.com/NVIDIA/MDL-SDK/blob/2e4faa74176f17d9401e06fbbeae1e4014ea07e3/examples/mdl/nvidia/core_definitions.mdl#L2134

[ember river]

sry, forgot about that

[tawny elk]

All good. Does the MDL for any of the aperture materials have these properties: in material( thin_walled: true, surface: material_surface( scattering: df::weighted_layer( weight: 1., normal: normal, layer: df::custom_curve_layer( normal_reflectivity: 1.-normal_reflectivity, grazing_reflectivity: 1.-grazing_reflectivity, base: glossy_bsdf, layer: df::diffuse_reflection_bsdf( roughness: 1.0, tint: base_color ), normal: normal ) ) )

[ember river]

Yeah I think we'd have to write a custom Aperture_Model itself

[tawny elk]

Mark pls guide us

[ember river]

This is the Aperture base model mdl that is imported by the opacity model:

} in material(
  // Note: Not actually a thin surface in this case, just used to get Kit to render both sides of the MDL correctly.
  thin_walled: true,
  surface: material_surface(
    scattering: final_bsdf,
    emission:  material_emission (
      df::diffuse_edf(),
      intensity: emissive_radiance
    )
  ),
  backface: material_surface(
    emission:  material_emission (
      df::diffuse_edf(),
      intensity: emissive_radiance
    )
  ),
  geometry: material_geometry(
    normal: normal,
    cutout_opacity: enable_opacity ? opacity : 1.0
  )
);

[tawny elk]

#1097563444137427056 message

[ember river]

Think I'm figuring out the general picture:

• That file at line 2134 would be the base material, replacing the AperturePBR_Model.mdl
• Next we need to write an opacity.mdl file that imports from this new NFSU2_RetroReflectiveModel.mdl? , as being our beloved opacity.mdl

[jade briar]

[ember river]

I'm looking specifically at this final_bsdf variable fed to the model, which is the ray distribution trick that I've mentioned. Maybe inside this "df" definition file there are others suited for our retroreflective needs

[tawny elk]

Imma do it

@zinc meteor

I gotta get back to chrunching for this deadline. I’ll see what y’all come up with later

[pallid river]

Very nice. This is my first time working on textures so I think I’ll practice by cleaning up upscaled textures and see where that takes me if I decide to keep going.

[safe patrol]

oh boy I have my work cut out for me. This is my streetsigns folder.

[pallid river]

Yeah at the very least walls and what not need a roughness map. Too glossy by default. I’ve been trying emissive maps for the windows and such in the skybox.

[safe patrol]

Also, I don't think there are any stop signs in this game. At least I don't have a capture of one and I can't remember seeing them anywhere.

[jade briar]

Also. On the topic of retroreflectors. The current headlights are way too dim.

[pallid river]

Was just about to ask about reflectors

If those were possible

[ember river]

omg lets sum up some info, lol
@zinc meteor we're looking at the apperture model rn, our goal is to add retroreflective effects to road sign and asphalt materials to react to car headlights. We've found some sources to work with, like:
https://github.com/NVIDIA/MDL-SDK/blob/2e4faa74176f17d9401e06fbbeae1e4014ea07e3/examples/mdl/nvidia/core_definitions.mdl#L2134
and the AperturePBR .mdl files to write some retroreflective shaders. Could you give us a help?

[jade briar]

[pallid river]

Couldn’t that affect be simulated automatically by the light interaction with the correct material?

Or is the problem that the material doesn’t exist yet

[ember river]

The standard PBR format isn't quite suited for that. Usually PBR surface functions models surfaces based on roughness values, that prioritize reflection of light rays towards the reflection angle of the incoming ray (Think of a ricochet/bounce), those are the most important rays. And, for retroreflective materials, we need to prioritize light rays bouncing in the same direction they came from (Ex: the car headlights)

[ember river]

Yeah I noticed that too. Think at 4x increase would be nice to begin with

[jade briar]

Yeah

[safe patrol]

I think Adam was working on trying to figure out how to give them better directed throw

[tawny elk]

Should be around 20,000 candela per headlight. So I’ll need to convert it to cd/m2.

[sharp sand]

quick question

the rt that remix brings

is it "usual" rt or path tracing?

[ember river]

hardware accelerated raytracing, as in RTX GPUs

[sharp sand]

ah

[pallid river]

It’s full PT though not hybrid raster/RT

It’s like Portal RTX or RT Overdrive in CP2077

[sharp sand]

its full pt?

thats dank

correct me if im wrong

i know 3 kinds of rt

hardware rt

software rt like lumen in fortnite

then path tracing in cp77

[blazing bone]

Software rt and hardware rt are the same
Just one that uses hardware acceleration

[jade briar]

Hardware accelerated pt

[tawny elk]

Mark traces every path by hand actually.

[ember river]

It is a lot of stuff, those terms usually get corrupted by marketing and such, but in a nutshell:

• Raytracing is a physics/mathematial operation of "tracing" a ray in a scene to check which objects does it collides with.
• Hardware accelerated raytracing, like RTX GPUs, is when you have cores on your GPU specialized in computing the above mentioned raytracing for a scene, using acceleration algorithms and structures like BVH trees (I'm not gonna touch it for now), the very hardware is optimized to traverse those structures and check collision on the scene.
• Path tracing is an algorithm to perform several raytraces to trace the path of a light rays bouncing around the scene x many times, summing up all lighting contributions from the objects it encounters on its path. Whether it uses hardware accelerated raytracing or is software based like Lumen, it totally dependent on implementation

[jade briar]

Not to mention making a software that is optimised enough to do all this in real time.

[zinc meteor]

Before you guys dig too far into the MDL, please be aware - AperturePBR_*.mdl is only used in Omniverse. it is NOT used in the runtime.

The mdl files were written to mimic the runtime rendering within OV. The actual runtime shaders are in the src/dxvk/shaders/rtx/ folder, like this:
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/blob/main/src/dxvk/shaders/rtx/concept/surface_material/opaque_surface_material_interaction.slangh

[tawny elk]

The shaders

[jade briar]

[ember river]

poggers

[zinc meteor]

You can actually alter those shaders if you fork remix, like you were thinking of doing with the MDL files. But the actual code in there is different

[ember river]

Hm so why mesh replacement works like you've mentioned, by selecting the mdl file and stuff?

[tawny elk]

Perfect. I’m sure the rendering team will be thrilled to see what perf we get with accurate PT retro reflections

Guess we gotta learn slang https://github.com/shader-slang/slang

[jade briar]

Turns out that a simple pbr shader can not act like a retro reflective surface.

[ember river]

Actually nvm, I got the point now

[tawny elk]

Oh good, shadered has slang support and a nodal editor

[ember river]

software standardization is a blessing for this crooked world

[tawny elk]

I think the first step should be getting the remix shader into shadered or something so we can figure out how to modify it into what we want rather than write a new shader.

[jade briar]

Make a car paint shader while you're at it

[tawny elk]

I know about the physics of light interaction but not too much on how shaders work.

[tawny elk]

FPS in shambles

[ember river]

I could help on that side, although it is the first time I heard about slang

[tawny elk]

I wonder if the translucent MDL could make it happen somehow.

[humble niche]

RTXDI car with green underglow? 🙄

Maybe a horror movie poster for Marbles RTX would be good.

[jade briar]

uhh

Car paint

if only remix could do that

[tawny elk]

If only we could just feed BSDFs and the like straight into remix

[jade briar]

[jade briar]

what the fuck

is that

[ember river]

Well, maybe MDL support would be the best thing to come to remix material-wise. You could still use OV to integrate everything

[severe solstice]

[elfin beacon]

From this information we can conclude that the water is cold.

[severe solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-thats-friday-friday-cat-cat-friday-gif-24004766

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-tongue-out-blah-ahh-no-gif-14355947

[tawny elk]

So uh

Can we get mesh replacements now

[ember cobalt]

#general-remix message

ya

[tawny elk]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-i-dont-know-i-didnt-think-id-get-this-far-plankton-spongebob-confused-hd-gif-25660635

[bright hedge]

damn thats awesome, i like animals

[tawny elk]

Can we finally get 20k poly traffic cones now?

[jade briar]

Time to yandere dev the project

[tawny elk]

Every brick is raw photogrammetry scans

[ember river]

Sry, got so excited and tired at the same time, decided to take a nap. I'm back.
Meshes now replace we can!

It only requires some transformation for the vertices/normals/uvs arrays so they all have the same length (that faceVarying interpolation thing), which I'm working on now to automate. The default USD exporter on blender has no option to disable it so, we have to resort on python scripts to convert the file.
Also, we can't use 0.2.0 release of dxvk. We must be using build #140 at least: https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/5392546196

@ember cobalt do you know of anyone who have already written such script to convert meshes from faceVarying to vertex interpolation?

[ember cobalt]

not that i know of, sorry

if blender supports the conversion, they have a python library. however i couldn't find a valid library to use from pypi that supported what i needed (i was going to write a script to batch convert an entire folder of meshes using mark's script, and also triangulate the meshes)

[ember river]

So, I tried to use pixar usd lib for python, but it doesn't changes anything

[ember cobalt]

just in case i misinterpreted, Mark's script here doesn't do what you need? #1096847508002590760 message

[ember river]

So I'm basically doing stuff by hand, like (the logic isn't right):

[ember cobalt]

if you want an idea of how to implement that, look at my magicusda script: https://github.com/Kim2091/RTXRemixTools/blob/USDRefactor/MagicUSDA/MagicUSDA.py

it's a huge pain, and documentation is lacking

also, Bing's chat AI understands the openusd library fairly well. you should ask it on how to correct your implementation

it helped a lot with mine

[ember river]

even chatgpt 4 gives up and just start pulling non-existent code out of its a**

[ember cobalt]

i didn't know the library could even do that conversion

makes sense though

if you send me your code, i may be able to get it working?

[ember river]

sure

def convert_face_varying_to_vertex_interpolation(usd_file_path, output_usd_file):
    stage = Usd.Stage.Open(usd_file_path)
    mesh_prims = [prim for prim in stage.TraverseAll() if UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)]
    for prim in mesh_prims:
        mesh = UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)
        indices = prim.GetAttribute("faceVertexIndices")
        points = prim.GetAttribute("points")
        points_arr = points.Get()
        points.Set([points_arr[i] for i in indices.Get()])

        mesh.SetNormalsInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)
        primvar_api = UsdGeom.PrimvarsAPI(prim)
        for var in primvar_api.GetPrimvars():
            if var.GetInterpolation() == UsdGeom.Tokens.faceVarying:
                var.SetInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)

    stage.Export(output_usd_file)

[ember cobalt]

and i have permission to give this to Bing? lol

just to be sure

[ember river]

Haha of course, go ahead

It is already stolen bits from mark's script

[ember cobalt]

so, what happens when you run this?

[ember river]

The Mesh vs The Sheesh

[ember cobalt]

isn't the rotation just off there?

i don't see where/what it's supposed to be

    stage = Usd.Stage.Open(usd_file_path)
    mesh_prims = [prim for prim in stage.TraverseAll() if UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)]
    for prim in mesh_prims:
        mesh = UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)
        indices = prim.GetAttribute("faceVertexIndices")
        points = prim.GetAttribute("points")
        points_arr = points.Get()

        modified_points = [points_arr[i] for i in indices.Get()]
        points.Set(modified_points)

        mesh.SetNormalsInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)
        primvar_api = UsdGeom.PrimvarsAPI(prim)
        for var in primvar_api.GetPrimvars():
            if var.GetInterpolation() == UsdGeom.Tokens.faceVarying:
                var.SetInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)

    stage.Export(output_usd_file)

this may work? can't be sure. i have no way to test it or run it

[ember river]

Nah, the indexing is cursed. I'm modifying the points to just be fed from the indices array, but forgot to set the very indices array to be sequential then [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8...]
That fixed the mesh but still the UVs aren't quite right

[ember river]

Let me try

Well it produced the same mesh as the pics above

[ember cobalt]

what's it supposed to look like?

    stage = Usd.Stage.Open(usd_file_path)
    mesh_prims = [prim for prim in stage.TraverseAll() if UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)]
    for prim in mesh_prims:
        mesh = UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)
        indices = prim.GetAttribute("faceVertexIndices")
        points = prim.GetAttribute("points")
        uvs = prim.GetAttribute("primvars:uv")
        
        points_arr = points.Get()
        uvs_arr = uvs.Get()

        # Modify points
        modified_points = [points_arr[i] for i in indices.Get()]
        points.Set(modified_points)

        # Modify UVs
        uvs_interp = []
        for face_index, vertex_index in enumerate(indices.Get()):
            uvs_interp.append(uvs_arr[face_index][vertex_index])
        uvs.Set(uvs_interp)

        mesh.SetNormalsInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)
        primvar_api = UsdGeom.PrimvarsAPI(prim)
        for var in primvar_api.GetPrimvars():
            if var.GetInterpolation() == UsdGeom.Tokens.faceVarying:
                var.SetInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)

    stage.Export(output_usd_file)

[ember river]

I modified the mesh a little bit so now it is just a quad with a dented vertex

Doesn't makes sense, because the generated UVs seems to be alright

[ember cobalt]

is it just the texture that's wrong now? i don't quite understand

[ember river]

Sorry, I should've sent you the mesh I'm working with

[ember cobalt]

i'm getting an error for uvs = none

what's the rest of your script like?

[ember river]

wut, I'm only opening it in OV for now

[ember cobalt]

ah right, i keep forgetting you can do that

[ember river]

Oh it is not primvars:uv, it is primvars:st

AAAAAAAAA wtf man, kill me. I was jsut missing a goddamn:

rel material:binding = </RootNode/meshes/mesh_2C9333FB229098BD/Xform/mesh_001/MiniPole> (
    bindMaterialAs = "weakerThanDescendants"
)

[ember cobalt]

def convert_face_varying_to_vertex_interpolation(usd_file_path, output_usd_file):
    stage = Usd.Stage.Open(usd_file_path)
    mesh_prims = [prim for prim in stage.TraverseAll() if UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)]
    for prim in mesh_prims:
        mesh = UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)
        indices = prim.GetAttribute("faceVertexIndices")
        points = prim.GetAttribute("points")
        uvs = prim.GetAttribute("primvars:st")  # Change to "primvars:st" for UVs
        
        points_arr = points.Get()
        uvs_arr = uvs.Get()

        # Modify points
        modified_points = [points_arr[i] for i in indices.Get()]
        points.Set(modified_points)

        # Modify UVs
        uvs_interp = []
        for face_index, vertex_index in enumerate(indices.Get()):
            uvs_interp.append(uvs_arr[face_index // 3][vertex_index])  # Divide by 3 as each face has 3 vertices
        uvs.Set(uvs_interp)

        mesh.SetNormalsInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)
        primvar_api = UsdGeom.PrimvarsAPI(prim)
        for var in primvar_api.GetPrimvars():
            if var.GetInterpolation() == UsdGeom.Tokens.faceVarying:
                var.SetInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)

    stage.Export(output_usd_file)

maybe?

omniverse finally finished updating, so i can test myself now (hopefully)

[ember river]

Nah dont worry, it worked now with:

def convert_face_varying_to_vertex_interpolation(usd_file_path, output_usd_file):
    stage = Usd.Stage.Open(usd_file_path)
    mesh_prims = [prim for prim in stage.TraverseAll() if UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)]
    for prim in mesh_prims:
        mesh = UsdGeom.Mesh(prim)
        indices = prim.GetAttribute("faceVertexIndices")
        points = prim.GetAttribute("points")
        points_arr = points.Get()

        modified_points = [points_arr[i] for i in indices.Get()]
        points.Set(modified_points)

        indices.Set([i for i in range(len(indices.Get()))])

        mesh.SetNormalsInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)
        primvar_api = UsdGeom.PrimvarsAPI(prim)
        for var in primvar_api.GetPrimvars():
            if var.GetInterpolation() == UsdGeom.Tokens.faceVarying:
                var.SetInterpolation(UsdGeom.Tokens.vertex)

    stage.Export(output_usd_file)

[ember cobalt]

ah, good

[ember river]

gonna test with some bigger meshes now (just to face another roadblock most likely)

[ember cobalt]

sorry i wasn't of much help, lol. i'm very glad you got it working though

[ember river]

oh man, thank you very much for the help. Our discussions is what ended up leading to it 😉

[tawny elk]

Whoops spent all day socializing. I try texturing tomorrow morning instead.

[ember river]

So, huh, mesh replacements 🔥

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/han-solo-this-is-where-the-fun-begins-gif-10800403

[balmy chasm]

Like true mesh replace? No limits?(except shaders I guess)

[sharp sinew]

So how's this all work then E-man? I've VERY excited by all this, looks amazing!

[ember river]

I'm awake yet haha. Was going to play some rocket league haha

[balmy chasm]

Ah, that's holiday 'morning' :D

[sharp sinew]

you cant just do something this awesome then go play rocket league lol

we have a medal ceremony and everything

[ember river]

So yeah, it is seemingly very flexible, the only points are:

• Mesh must be exported triangulated
• Materials must be set up in OV using the AperturePBR model as mark showed
• The exported mesh from blender is in wrong format, so I made a python script to convert all meshes in a USD file to fix them properly (The vertex array must have the same length as UVs and Normals)
• We must use a more recent build of dxvk-remix than 0.2.0. At least build #140

[ember river]

I've been messing with it all day long, and its 4am rn lol

[sharp sinew]

you're appreciated my man, get some sleep and have some fun 😉

[ember river]

thx man

Now I have 2 videos do record and share

[sharp sinew]

The exported mesh from blender is in wrong format, so I made a python script to convert all meshes in a USD file to fix them properly (The vertex array must have the same length as UVs and Normals)
so we open the mesh in omni create, put your script into the script window and run?

[ember river]

not exactly, I made a script that runs standalone on windows, so I bind it to the windows context menu (right click on file) > Convert Meshes in USD. I'll be sharing them later

[balmy chasm]

time to replace a single mesh with entire city

[sharp sinew]

ok thank you, I'll need some help setting this up later if thats ok.

[balmy chasm]

Just wait for tutorials first 😅

[plain stag]

Maybe good make limit for Poly How much for buldings , lamps trees to make optimized too i Have now few buildings modeled but still dont know What is limit for Remix

Maybe use 3D trees or old method Y or X with alpha

I can ask my felas id They want help with this Project to

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, definitely a thing to add to the rules. But let's just spend some time testing which approach does good or bad. Just like we did with textures and lights

[plain stag]

Yee i think most important is first make lights after some textures like roads becuase roads not be replaced and stuf like Buidlings etc can replace with nee models and after make or use texturss

[ember river]

Omg, today was a day of victories for me, even managed to rank up. I should go to bed now and end up on a high note!

[sharp sinew]

before you meet a "wave a save!" spamming guy who ruins your day I'd say so

[jade briar]

Y'all s trying to do manual mesh replacements. Just wait for creator toolkit.

[blazing bone]

Nah creator tool will never come out

[jade briar]

[sharp sinew]

it could be years we have no idea.

it's as easy as placing lights once your usda is formatted correctly and you guys are doing great work with that

[ember cobalt]

mesh replacement doesn't seem that difficult in the end

if we get some scripts set up to automate the more annoying parts (like we're already doing), it'll be pretty simple

[sharp sinew]

if I can get that script working I should be good to go

[ember cobalt]

yeah

that script works on a single file i think. i may modify it to do it in batch and add some logging.

if it's okay with @ember river, i'd like to upload these modified versions to my RTXRemixTools repo (https://github.com/Kim2091/RTXRemixTools) as well (with credit of course)

[sharp sinew]

single file would be fine really, if you think about mesh authoring you're only going to do it one at a time

edit, convert, test, edit, convert....ect

[ember cobalt]

mm. my workflows usually involve setting up a folder to work in, processing them all, then using the files

i'd probably just do it for myself in that case

[ember cobalt]

i did modify the script to be used more easily and also added some logging

it'll automatically convert the file format based on the extension as well

[jade briar]

Will it tho

[ember cobalt]

i mean... yeah

i tested it, works fine

[jade briar]

Hmm

[ember cobalt]

i also wrote the batch version

this is the easiest time i've ever had modifying a script

nice change

[tawny elk]

https://tenor.com/view/good-news-gif-20210278

[ember river]

Morning y'all

Very Happy to see you guys are making progress 🙂

Rn I'm thinking about the ideal workflow and iteration to work with 3D tools, blender, the scripts and in-game testing. Would be nice if it was a thing that could work seamlessly, for example, if the scripts could be run inside OV

[ember river]

Go ahead 😉

[tawny elk]

There’s a console in OV

[tawny elk]

Purple tower

[tawny elk]

Hm

[balmy chasm]

VertexColor?

[tawny elk]

No just trying to figure out what this building wants to be

[safe patrol]

Does CGEA actually stand for anything?

[tawny elk]

"Central Group on Educational Affairs"

Only thing I could find

No wait

Enhance

[balmy chasm]

Some sort of office building I guess

[tawny elk]

I figure I'll fill out the rest of the lights and hopefully something will come to me.

[ember river]

It seems like a commercial building usually rented for events and conferences, like this annual computer graphics from EA. Could be maybe a coworking site?

[tawny elk]

I think I got something

[tawny elk]

The convention area is supposed to be an E3 confrence it looks like

[tawny elk]

Wonder if substance sampler will get some decent quick results for some wall textures

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/enhance-super-troopers-working-typing-police-gif-16281060

[tawny elk]

Anyone interested in doing some textures today 👀

[dapper root]

hey guys, how to get the latest update in the mod?

[tawny elk]

Check the pins

[balmy chasm]

May be? I have like 30-60min now

[ember river]

The latest one is a bit old now, we haven't release anything for a month I guess.
Download this big boy and follow the video tutorial by hellraven
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/releases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U32QaB23Mws

[dapper root]

I already have this version, that's why i was asking. Thanks anyways! 😄

[ember river]

@tawny elk my boy, have you any accurate info on Bollards you'd like to share? Thinking on make some new meshes for those big boys

[balmy chasm]

Rectractable ones?

[tawny elk]

Sure lemme grab you something.

[ember river]

Nah, just regular ones, with lights

[balmy chasm]

Ah. That square base of the pole on that image is a part of mounting hole for rectractable one. So you basically don't need that part. Other than that you can find some designs in your local stores I guess 😅

[dapper root]

Hey guys, where do you usually find "remastered assets" (models and textures) for RTX remix projects?

[balmy chasm]

Create from scratch/modify existing ones/merge existing ones

[ember river]

In our imaginations 😉

[dapper root]

Oh so every model replacement is handmade?

[tawny elk]

https://img.acuitybrands.com/public-assets/catalog/252374/kbr8-led.pdf?abl_version=05%2F09%2F2023+18%3A31%3A48&DOC_Type=SPEC_SHEET

That’s the most common one

If we’re thinking about something fancier I got some way nicer ones.

[ionic prawn]

ja ta on? ou wip?

[ember river]

Yeah I'm looking at some metallic ones, which I think is what the game wanted to to which those. Specially, I'm avoid having a glass transparent mesh for now. Thinking of using a light diffuser surface for the emissive surface

[tawny elk]

I think this one might be closer to what we have in the game. https://www.selux.us/usa/en/products/notch

https://www.selux.us/media/pages/products/notch/notch/aa4414cf9b-1670505230/nt_ss.pdf

[tawny elk]

They all can be metallic Maybe you’re thinking of bollards that can stop a vehicle?

[ember river]

Well those looks sick. I'll prolly have to change a few bits since I can't assume their rotation

[tawny elk]

This one is radially symmetrical https://www.selux.us/usa/en/products/inula

[balmy chasm]

You can actually grab some bits from existing models. Just make sure to modify them to some level of uniqueness

[tawny elk]

https://www.selux.us/media/pages/products/inula/inula-bollard/c9edfa1537-1687282329/ibl_ss.pdf

[ember river]

Haha idk bollards, I've never seen anything quite like that

I like it. Think I'll go for those brushed metal ones.
Thx man

[tawny elk]

Lemme know how it comes out

I’ll reshape the light source to better match it once it’s done

[jade briar]

I'm thinking of doing some models to test things out.

[tawny elk]

I should’ve grabbed the hash for it texture for the regalle’s structure in the hotel plaza

[tawny elk]

50k poly cone

[balmy chasm]

What structure? Where structure? 😅 Actually I'm going to bed. So if you're good with it, just give me a screenshot of the thing and I'll make capture and other stuff myself

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

#1103377328530276403 message

Wait I know how to beat culling

Merge everything into one prim

[tawny elk]

Pls do the traffic lights

[balmy chasm]

Textures for whole building?

[tawny elk]

Just the gray bit

[balmy chasm]

Tiles?

[tawny elk]

Yea

[balmy chasm]

Sky UV's repeating suddenly
IRL photo

[tawny elk]

Ugh. I gotta try a dawn lighting setup here sometime.

[ember cobalt]

@ember river does this summarize the script properly?
This script takes a USD file as input, converts the interpolation of all meshes in a USD file from face-varying to vertex, and exports the modified stage to a new USD file. This should help with mesh compatibility when using mesh exports from Blender.

[ember river]

Yeah, pretty much. It could be tested on DCCs other than blender, probably the script works for many. I'd omit the blender part

[ember cobalt]

hm, okay

i'll just say it was tested on Blender? in that case

[ember river]

You've adapted it a bit so I don't know if it creates a new USD file or performs changes "inplace"

[ember cobalt]

it makes a new file, doesn't modify the existing

the core functionality is (nearly) identical though. the only thing that changed was some file path stuff, which i still need to fix actually

[ember river]

Oh, btw, I used it with the windows context menu, so I could right click on a file > Convert USD meshes. Here is my toolbag, if you'd like to explore more stuff (To work properly, this folder should go in C:\CustomPythonScripts):

[ember cobalt]

nice, thanks

[jade briar]

ok.

[ember cobalt]

@trail quail please knock it off with the constant memes/troll content. your entire post history is like this

[jade briar]

Noooooooooooo

He came in after like 4 years

[ember cobalt]

he just posted that meme to #showcase too

warning was necessary

[jade briar]

oh

yeah

fair

[trail quail]

ok.

Sorry

Amma go bac to #offtopic

Cya

[ember cobalt]

if people in this channel are fine with it, you can continue here

but like, please don't post in #showcase or anything like that

and no worries

[trail quail]

ok.

[mossy pelican]

not fine

[jade briar]

Okay

Gonna model a building

Lets start with something easy

[jade briar]

So guys. How should I go about remoddeling this building?

Because this building is multiple different parts.

What I can do is

Remodel it as one big thing

And then replace one of the in game building meshes with the whole remade building.

So that I don't have to replace every single model individually.

[sharp sinew]

Is it made of repeated modular bits that get instanced around?

[jade briar]

I think

Each material

Is separated into its own mesh

[tawny elk]

You can hide meshes via OV so maybe go the route of replacing the unique mesh and include the meshes that you hide?

[jade briar]

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

Tho I wounder if it would cause culling related issues.

[sharp sinew]

It culls based on the bounding box of the original asset it replaces

Can't you mod NFS to bump up the bounding box by 100 or something? I see something similar in cod 2 I need to look into properly

Asset manager (assman for short)

[tawny elk]

No idea, Eman had an idea of modifying the game's BBOX's to be massive to avoid culling

But I don't know if the mod tooling is developed enough to do that

[sharp sinew]

Yeeee turn it up to 11

[ember river]

That is veeery unlikey. The game not only cull individual meshes, but also performs some complex aggressive culling based on what is hidden behind other objects. This is why the walls around some roadways are so high, so stuff behind it can be completely culled. I have no idea how it was implemented, but most likely the visibility of objects was baked into logical sectors... in other words, I don't think bbox extents alone will completely solve the issue, but they might help a bit

[sharp sinew]

Just be some bsp tree stuff right?

[tawny elk]

A texture actually

Lemme finish up the conv center and I'll take a look at the tooling again and see what can be done

[ember river]

I was thinking about taking a more accurate approach to remodel buildings in scale to the cars. Wut you guys of it?

Forza horizon 5 is a great source for references

[jade briar]

Adam creating fake hype again

[jade briar]

Will it make the game look different? Probably. So no.

Unless it doesn't

We'll have to test it out.

[ember river]

I'd say it depends on the artists to capture the original vibe with refined stuff

[jade briar]

Yeah

I think

A lot of the original vibe depends on the color tones of the game

So uh

Gotta do something about it

[tawny elk]

Welp. All the tools that could edit the map are in the hands of modders that have disappeared.

Maybe I can beg for access to one of the tools to see if anything can be done.

[ember river]

Saaad

[jade briar]

Well

Have a funny

You guys have worked too much

https://youtu.be/JLsQXY8zdgo

[balmy chasm]

Omg, it just took around 5 mins for capture to be written on disk. Didn't know about that because garages are around x10-15 smaller in size

[thorny pawn]

do we have a guide or something on how to do the mesh replacements? o:

[balmy chasm]

Not yet

[jade briar]

You can try reading through general

[sharp sinew]

I have a work in progress script and I can do it but I need to update to kims tool and do it properly. I'll record a video tutorial after that so everyone can do it

[jade briar]

Headlights definitely need to be brighter (please ignore mankind's brightest street light in the distance)

Also the road textures are quite low resolution. So I say, they also need a big rework to look nice.

@ember river

@safe patrol

I'm not sure who did the headlights, but I think it was count.

Everyone. I just realised that adam's rtx.conf file had the texture quality set to low.

And I had been playing like this for a while now.

At this point in time. I suggest everyone to laugh at adam

However, the texture is still a bit muddy.

And will need a bump in resolution.

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/young-k-laugh-poker-face-gif-24522282

[tawny elk]

The high resolution textures destroy my frame rate for some reason.

I’m no where near vram limits though.

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

I might go through and add headlights to all the vehicles by using the car lot.

[balmy chasm]

Actually I haven't tested textures. Is emissive sign ok?

[tawny elk]

What sign?

[balmy chasm]

The Regalle

[tawny elk]

Oh, yea that sign is meant to be a neon sign

[dusty grove]

what about gulliulli textures? (a bit blurry (1080p) but has nice pbr)

[jade briar]

uhhhhhh

Not bad

But what's the source on these textures

[dusty grove]

UPD: after 15m of scrolling here it is the ESelkath textures > #1103377328530276403 message The install order is 1burrito 2esalkath > inside mod.usda > subLayers = [
@./adamplayer.usda@,
@./wet.usda@, - ESelkath textures
@./burrito.usda@, - burrito textures

[jade briar]

Yeah but

I'm talking about copyright

[dusty grove]

hmm u need to ask guys ho made it for that

[jade briar]

yeah

That's what I'm saying

[balmy chasm]

I actually included emissive map

[tawny elk]

I haven’t tested them yet. Was messing with SH2

[ember river]

U guys think the textures resolution are too low?
For me it looks fine considering they're already 4k, but there are some crossings that stretched the poor 4096x UVs so much that the cracks can fit the whole tire

Something that can be solved now by remapping the uvs

[safe patrol]

I only did the emissives, not the actual lights

[jade briar]

Nah, I think the road textures look sharper. Right now, they look like there's just mud all over the roads.

[jade briar]

This screenshot

It was taken on a 1440p screen

[ember river]

Hmm maybe it is a matter of adjusting the roughness contrast with sharper cracks

Or maybe the normals themselves 🤔

[jade briar]

Sharper normals/

How do you get them?

By increasing the resolution

[ember river]

Let me see if I can get those with some chaiNNer settings

[jade briar]

ai

[ember river]

Didn't want to cross the 4k barrier 😞

[jade briar]

Understandable. But remember. You see roads a lot

Like a whole lot

So keep that in mind when making them

[ember river]

I'll be on it once I finish the bollard remodel

[jade briar]

🫡

[jade briar]

So uh

Anything new?

[noble tendon]

Since you can use normal maps now with rtx remix, I just thought of suggesting an idea of mine; replace the cars’ broken window texture with the one from NFS MW/Carbon/World

[jade briar]

That's an issue for later me to worry about.

I think my english is reaking

But yeah, I still have to get the glass windows working.

[tawny elk]

Lights be illuminating

[jade briar]

Lights be over exposed and oversaturated.

Fix yo shit

Yo lighting fr be looking like a deep fried meme

Exhibit a

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

Exhibit b

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103377328530276403/1127646096966041770/image.png

[tawny elk]

Should I just delete the roadway lights and redo them then?

[jade briar]

I say yeah

Do it

Open up hellraven's file. Study it. Closely. Absorb it. Treat it like god's recipe to immortality.

And then remake it.

[noble tendon]

mmm yes orange lights

a "2015 style mod" that a friend of mine was working on back then, this was from like the earlier days

[elfin beacon]

Ughhhh

[safe patrol]

Now that we are starting to have the ability to modify meshes I'll try and focus most of my efforts on flat texture areas that aren't likely to change

[ember cobalt]

ya

i'm not sure if i ever posted here, but i put a modified version of E-man's script in my RTXRemixTools repo: https://github.com/Kim2091/RTXRemixTools
it fixes some weird mesh issues when exporting from blender or max (and hopefully maya) and also supports batch processing

[ember river]

Are you using the latest stuff in the repo with the rtx.conf from rtx-remix-defaults folder? You game seems much different, still overbright and yellowish

[tawny elk]

Too late, I gave up trying to “fix” it and deleted all the roadway lights and started over.

[dusty grove]

It isnt burrito screenshot, he just copy it as example of "to bright" adams lights i guess. (Game on screenshot is 0.250 exposure, no AE, no bloom) #1103377328530276403 message

[ember river]

I adjusted the tonemapping and color grading on that rtx-remix-defaults/rtx.conf file, the game should look like the picture I've sent

Also, here is 8K normals for asphalt

[tawny elk]

Is that the non soaked asphalt textures

[ember river]

Nah, they're the same wetter roads as requested last week, is just the normals producing a rougher effect/high frequency noise

[dusty grove]

Looks much better than before, but still it doesn't has that contrast, wich ESalkath textures have.#1103377328530276403 message

[tawny elk]

Those aren't able to be used in releases though so..

[ember river]

I'm going for a more reallistic, somewhat "dull" look, so the asphalt doesn't gets repetitive, saturated, with tiles easily spottable. Let me see if I can change something 🤔

[tawny elk]

I wonder..

[tawny elk]

Aw man I can't find it anymore

There's a viewer for the "Pavement Condition Rating" scans of interstates that sorta have heightmaps

Ope I found it

https://pathweb.pathwayservices.com/ohiopublic

[tawny elk]

Further tweaking

[bright hedge]

first pic looks awesome

[sage wraith]

So your Right texture stretchings Are horrible at Some Pointe. And more then 4096x would be to large. I Made a 8k texture And only one albedo+normal+roughness it hit the 200mb mark.

[sage wraith]

Do you mean the street? It isnt mine. I only Made the muddy streets And the crossing ^^

[dusty grove]

yeap just tested ur textures not needed for street OOPS

Did anyone made this side road textures? or it will be in new repo release?

[bright hedge]

dam bruh

this looks awesome

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-rot-eat-hungry-gif-16803641

[timid prairie]

officially: the operation to remove my kidney stones will happen tomorrow

[jade briar]

Good

[blazing bone]

Good luck!

[timid prairie]

Thanks

[ember river]

Could you provide some examples of what you mean then?

By stretchings

[ember river]

I was going to do them, since I have the editable files for the roads but that remains to be decided

[jade briar]

fucking

amazing

At last

[sage wraith]

For example in the tunnel the concrete sidebars

Or parkingplaces

[ember river]

Weird. I haven't done any parking place. Also, the UVs in this game are incredibly weird, sometimes stretched, sometimes squashed 🤔

[tawny elk]

The UVs need thearpy after all the abuse they get in this game.

[ember river]

Here is some FH5 pics, for reference. The game has incredibly high res textures all over the place 🔥
Ofc I'm playing on extreme, but still an example that a 3060 can handle a lot 🤔

[jade briar]

The joys of rasterization.

The world doesn't really need full pt

It's noisy. And blurry, and glitchy, and slow.

We aren't there yet.

[bright hedge]

not really

only key locations

which is where u most of the time go through

if u pay attention hard enough it got lots of lower q textures

[ember river]

Yeah that is important. Still, in such key locations, wherever you look, the textures are indrecibly detailed, from roads to houses, props... and much more varyied

[snow coral]

they also use parralax mapping amost everywhere

max graphics settings is asking for 8GB's of VRAM

[sharp sinew]

they use cone step mapping not parallax mapping

https://developer.nvidia.com/gpugems/gpugems3/part-iii-rendering/chapter-18-relaxed-cone-stepping-relief-mapping

[ember river]

Hey folks, following some feedbacks from you guys, I reworked the asphalt textures a bit, they're now 8K. Could you test this WIP now and give some earlier feedback?

[digital salmon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQLfB_ytx-M&t=6s

[tawny elk]

Not soaked

[tawny elk]

It might be my sleep deprivation or how fast they're going but that camera movement is nauseous once he gets going.

[digital salmon]

This is true)

remake is done by one person on an unreal engine 4

[snow coral]

It could look good if that texture wasn't such stupidly stretched. Maybe fix a bit UV mapping?

[ember river]

Yeah, that is the uv abusing we're referring to. The thing is, there is no global mesh replacement for roads. They're broken into smaller fragments for culling, so we have to replace the mesh for every single road just to adjust the UVs

[tawny elk]

Or figure out how to edit the games map files Which ever is easier

[ember cobalt]

reverse engineer the file format and then make a recompiler 😛

sounds fun

[ember river]

An intermediate option would be the materials have an option to tile the textures by a multiplier vec2, like unity's texture inputs, so we could make smaller textures with more details

[tawny elk]

There’s people who’ve made map editors but they always seem to disappear once they show it off.

[ember cobalt]

(changed the link)

they do have a map editor, but i guess it isn't released 😦

mm, and some of their stuff has lots of positives on VT. guess i'll remove the link

Because of false positives, alternative links have been added to make it possible to download tools.
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i'll just DM it to you

[tawny elk]

The other one is called "Hypercooled" that is a closed source map editor that had beta testers but then they locked it down after it got leaked to some ru site.

I go beg in their discord for answers

[ember cobalt]

yeah, i came across that one too

[tawny elk]

It looks promising but they seem to really want to keep it to themselves

[novel sierra]

Can anyone tell me why the sky in my game is as clear as day, something to do with the texture of the sky?

[jade briar]

Either the sky texture is not setup properly, or the sky brightness is way too high

[novel sierra]

can you tell me where i can get the sky texture and where i put?

[jade briar]

First check the sky brightness setting in game setup>parameter tuning>sky brightness

[novel sierra]

how do i get to this truck, through the ctrl x menu in the game

[jade briar]

Yes

[novel sierra]

looks like the texture of the sky is "old"

[jade briar]

Do you have any mods installed?

[novel sierra]

only these

[jade briar]

That's strange. Try lowering the sky brightness value

[novel sierra]

not work, maybe its because i dont have the sky texture, but i don know where to find it

even my menu its too bright

[dusty grove]

Looks much better, texture itself is even sharper than ESelkath textures (#1103377328530276403 message), the only thing that needs adjustmans its PBR, if u look at right side of screenshot ESelkath texture has that grain of real asphalt, and maybe coud be a just a bit darker (in most cases looks to gray)

[blazing bone]

Ugh I hate need for speed modding community
Most mods are behind a paywall and closed source

[bright hedge]

its unreal engine 5 now and its not done by 1 person anymore

he has more help

[balmy chasm]

Also I'm confused. While using original assets they keep some significant mesh culling for some reason.

[timid prairie]

I was called for an operation, well, the moment has come, as soon as I survive everything and can write, I will let you know

[dusty grove]

nah nfs still has best pbr, most of the time forza looks flat in comperison to nfs. Were forza really shines it is folliage, rocks and water.

[jade briar]

Is this guy alive?

[dusty grove]

Need to wait at least 1 more hour

[jade briar]

Hmm

[balmy chasm]

Guess in 2 hrs he will respond. Or not

[jade briar]

Well. Kidney surgery isn't anything super major or risky so he'll probably be fine.

[dapper root]

Damn where can I get this version of the project 👀

[dusty grove]

U mean what? For game itself check pinns, for thoose textures: pic on left #1103377328530276403 message , pic on right #1103377328530276403 message

[dapper root]

Cheers. Which is the best texture pack?

[jade briar]

That depends on you

[dapper root]

I see

I like the right one more personally

But they both look great

[jade briar]

Mm

Wet ceiling

[dusty grove]

carbon with rtx looks interesting. UPD: game just have no textures at all, only texture that loads in remix its undershadow of caaghhhh. Meanwhile Most Wanted works just fine with remix. Ofcourse there will be problem if u try to load some mods for hud, or road textures, but game it self doesnt requares anything, even disabling shaders is not needed.

[balmy chasm]

Yep. And guess what. Some vertexColoring ruined turntable, but it is compensated by the light brightness

Also. Finally when I'm almost at the end of 'garage road', I can do some QoL improvements

[tawny elk]

I’d note that EA/Dice has way more experience with PBRs and it shows.

Turn 10 is getting better, but they’re still not quite at their level

[tawny elk]

Is the ceiling texture used elsewhere ?

[timid prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hand-up-i-did-it-ive-done-it-gif-4990302

[jade briar]

Good job

Gector life updates in need for speed mod channel. We're truly a community now.

[tawny elk]

So the dev at Hypercooled said you can modify the vertex coloring and UVs in blender I don’t know if he understood I meant for the actual map file rather than cars, but maybe there’s some workflow we don’t know about.

[balmy chasm]

No idea. Ceiling lamp is used in other shop, that's what I know

[jade briar]

The need for speed for speed mod community is truly abhorrent

A very big mod for modern nfs games called project unite got shut down two days ago

Because someone made fun of the creator

And he went ballistic.

Truly childish behaviour.

[dusty grove]

At least we have unite at home - remix https://www.nexusmods.com/needforspeedunbound/mods/29

[jade briar]

uh huh

[tawny elk]

|| It’s really toxic for some reason as you’ve seen from YouTube comments. ||

[jade briar]

The first discord server I ever joined was of a nfs modder called gzilla who was making a mod nfs payback. He later turned out to be a very unpleasent person to be around so the guys in the server tricked him and somehow took over the server. They then banned him.

Right now, the server has around 4k members but the only people who talk there is me and like 4 other guys.

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

Honestly. If we ever need a server, I can just clean that place out and repurpose it as underground 2 remix

Guys there won't mind

[jade briar]

Hew @ember river Did you add red lights in this area?

[dusty grove]

no its just emissive brightnessssssssssssssssssssssssss

[dapper root]

Hey guys, any way to fix the darkness in the 0.2.0 release?

[balmy chasm]

Do you mean fresh install? No mod.usda?

[dapper root]

Yes, fresh install

But there is mod.usda files

[balmy chasm]

Go to free roam then

[dusty grove]

is it default 02? no additional textures or smth? looks like u messed up default mod usda with lights

[balmy chasm]

Well, set it to >5 as temporary measure

[dapper root]

Uhh yes. There is additional textures

[dusty grove]

so than replace defualt 02 again first, that will fix darkness, and add lights to ur game

[dapper root]

Lol UG2 Day mod xD

[balmy chasm]

Something went wrong with lights, so use that

[dapper root]

It's specifically these textures

[dusty grove]

if u are lazy ass, here u have my textures how i setup it, delete previos before install new https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NX2TkYinoaveMYWYNiXZZD6KnpOZeos5/view?usp=drive_link

[dapper root]

Asked for access

[dusty grove]

yep and u install it wrong

[dapper root]

I already did the 0.2.0 reinstall tho

Because it's easy and fast

I'd still like ur game tho, u might have a newer version of the project than me 👀

[dusty grove]

look here

[dapper root]

No, I mean that after doing the 0.2.0 reinstall it works

But if you have a better version, I'll gladly take it

[dusty grove]

u have .usda, the thing wich tells rtx what texture shoud look like, lights etc. when u install some new texture u need to add them to subLayers = [, any .usda file u can rename, im personaly rename thoose texturese to wet usda

[dapper root]

ah I see

How to get the debug menu on my screen? I mostly just wanna see the FPS

[jade briar]

#1103377328530276403 message

[dusty grove]

burrito can u explain how i moddify all of thoose textures? i mean the process how to do it, how to take textures out of game, remake them, and put it back. (btw my knowlage is 0) what to use for it.

[jade briar]

Man. You got a loooot to learn if your knowledge is 0

[dusty grove]

yep all i did its only one mod for assetto, so i only know how 3dsmax works)]

[jade briar]

Can you make pbr textures?

[dusty grove]

no but guess there a lot of guids in yt, im asking for what is happenning, like how do u get textures from game, and put them back how process looks like, the thing i cannot google

[balmy chasm]

@dusty grove this

And don't hesitate to read all the #1095534398134300682 channel. You'd need things from there down the road either way

[desert kestrel]

said creator got high off his ego and doesn't care about need for speed

[jade briar]

yep

[desert kestrel]

also you could create/repurpose a server but what's the point when you have easier access to resources and help here

[jade briar]

I know

Just saying

[elfin beacon]

Average Country in Asia.

[valid geyser]

things happened, people left, but it's most definitely not shut down

[jade briar]

I'ce seen what heppened

Mayube it's not dead

But the main guy did in fact go full schizo

[spiral fable]

wait, I though most wanted was broken ? 🤔

[dusty grove]

nope it runs perfecto

[dusty grove]

here my cfg, just to not mess with sky textures. obv u install latest remix, bridge, dxvk. and before all of that widescreenfix with window mode at 1 or 4. ingame settings textures, geometry max, anything else on low.

[spiral fable]

hahahaha

i am at college rn, I dont have my gaiming pc

I only have a shitty i3 4gb ram laptop

[jade briar]

You don't need to share dxvk.conf

[spiral fable]

but thanks, I will give it a shot when I get home

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-suspicious-raised-eyebrow-gif-23352998

[dusty grove]

what dxvk.conf is actually stands for?

[jade briar]

It's settings for the dxvk part of remix.

[trail quail]

Nah that's misinfo

it's still there, up and running

few members disbanded yesterday tho

how'd you find out?

[jade briar]

Uh

Through a server

It was formerly gzilla's

[trail quail]

yeah no

i can confirm since im an admin in unite

[jade briar]

But

Did SRK go schizo or not?

[trail quail]

It's still up and the owner (srk) banned no one, neither did he shut off anything, it was a former team member who wiped the disk and left with 3-4 other members

[trail quail]

Nah man imma tell you its overexaggerated as fuck

he's absolutely fine

[jade briar]

I heard things about ego and whatnot

[trail quail]

Well yeah he has one, but he's a good person overall. Recently he was in a tough spot in life and now 3-4 members of the team decided to leave the server over a little dispute (which by the way has been resolved)

But yeah unite is kind of ending now, a few more updates for the incomplete mods and then it's gonna rest

It was fun while it lasted but unite ending isnt just because of srk, most of the members lost their motivation for the mod and Unite had already pushed heat, 2015 and payback to their limits

since the modding tool (frosty) gets no proper updates, mostly just ui. It would be difficult to find things to mod in the frosty games

[dusty grove]

So no rivals unite?

[trail quail]

Im sorry no, no one really worked on it

It's there, but not anything major you see

just cops buff and so gameplay changes

It wouldnt fit our standard for unite mods

Unite 2015 2.0 will be release and then it'll end

[dusty grove]

What 2.0 bring?

[trail quail]

afaik, Gameplay garage and lighting changes

well it's only srk modding it alone now tho so we'll have to wait

[tawny elk]

I wonder if a map editor for most wanted would work with Underground 2.

The hypercooled devs didn’t seem helpful with figuring out culling unfortunately.

[jade briar]

adam, what about the lights?

[jade briar]

Adam is dead

[bright hedge]

there is only rivals+, unite wants owner of rivals+ to work on unite for them, just take rivals+

[tawny elk]

Work became insane and I’ve been working 12 hour days since Friday.

[jade briar]

rest

[tawny elk]

I would love to || but my coworker decided to make everything beyond difficult and time consuming under the guise of “learning” in an ego trip of some sort. ||

I might be back to normal hours Thursday I hope.

Worst comes to worst might be till the end of the month when things cool down.

Or when I become hospitalized from stress.

Which ever comes first.

[jade briar]

rip

[tawny elk]

Yea I’m not having a good time. Very grumpy and bad vibes all over.

[severe solstice]

[final knoll]

The mountainous area of ​​the map is completely dark and since we don't have headlights with lights you can't see anything

[ember river]

Think it might be time for a new release guys

[final knoll]

I don't know if it's my fault that the streetlights don't charge

I'm looking forward to the new changes you've made

[jade briar]

As soon as Adam fixes the lights

[final knoll]

No problem

In any case, thanks to you with the RTX technology in Need For Speed ​​Underground 2 you have given it a face wash

[tawny elk]

It’s only a few lights how long could it take?

[jade briar]

Probably not long. But you take your time

[tawny elk]

It’d take way less time if I didn’t have to delete inputs: from the file every time I do something.

[tawny elk]

Time for a PR for lighting

Nap first tho

[ember river]

git push origin main

[tawny elk]

There should be a force in there somewhere

Hopefully my thought process is right: I will make a PR removing the existing roadway lighting and add in my revised ones.

In another PR: Add changes done to the hotelplaza area

Am I getting the workflow right?

Or is making it all in a PR better?

[ember river]

Sure, forgot the -f

That would be right, but since you've already done it and isn't too much work to add on top, that could all be on a single one, to simplify things

I'm a little bit late with merging PRs, there are 3 alwaiting review for a really long time

I'll be on them once I finish adding the godamn bollard that refuses to work

[tawny elk]

Stun locked on the bollard.

Never to return from the insanity of mesh replacement

[ember river]

the thing is kinda working, bug the materials aren't being loaded. They're all black

[tawny elk]

Did you make sure to delete all instances of inputs: in your usda?

[ember cobalt]

inputs: shouldn't be an issue at all

the newer version of my magicusda script includes it (since the openusd library does it), and it's worked fine in all of my tests

if it is, no idea what's going on

[ember river]

Hmmmm I got like, 300000 of these:
err: Light prims attached to replacement meshes must come after a mesh prim. mesh hash: 23732365b79cc785

[tawny elk]

[tawny elk]

They asked me if I knew what "culling" was .

[tawny elk]

Bizzare. In my case, it prevents the values from being read from the usda.

[tawny elk]

I found some more debug symbols from ||underneath the couch cushion||, I'll load up IDA and see if there's anything intersting in there

[tawny elk]

||Starting to think it's not worth my time to try get info from them..||

[ember river]

Does someone knows in what format does this aperturePBR model expects the anisotropic texture to be? Some DCCs like blender use a grayscale map to represent angles from 0 to 360, while others encode x and y direction vector in RG channels 🤔

[ember cobalt]

i saw the messages, they seem like jerks

[tawny elk]

Yea, I don't know what to expect. This holds true by default for anything NFS related it seems unless proven otherwise.. #1103377328530276403 message

[ember river]

Bollards. Lots of them.
Pretty boys

[tawny elk]

Got that spun alluminum look to them

They seem really short in the second photo for some reason

[ember river]

They're scaled differently depending on the place haha

[tawny elk]

A true sign of BlackBox games

[ember river]

Some places they're tucked almost below the ground

[tawny elk]

Beautiful, and here I was thinking Bethesda was the only one bad about doing that

[balmy chasm]

Oh, now I get it. White car on the bottom is a 'spawn point'. And white car on the stand is a 'destination point'. I've wondered why all garage USDs always had another copy of the car and platform they stay on

[elfin beacon]

Amazing

[jade briar]

Bollards are nice and all that but I really like your car

[tawny elk]

So the map streaming is confirmed to handle the culling/chunk loading. There’s likely something in the “preculler” area that handles what we’re looking for.

[jade briar]

I read preculler wrong

[tawny elk]

I might have some time later today to take a closer look at it. I was chatting with someone that handled getting the chunks read.

[tawny elk]

The very little hope I had for that tool has disappeared. || The main dev:

My IQ has significantly went downwards from reading this thread
When referring to my discussion about the map streaming. Their tool they’re developing is a map editor keep in mind. ||

[ember cobalt]

lol, wow

i've seen toxic modding communities, then there's this

[tawny elk]

I don’t really know what the tool they’re making is going to do then

[balmy chasm]

AI based mesh-texture replacer

[tawny elk]

Ah.

[ember river]

It is always a top secret boys' project. Being total ass and not sharing anything doesn't makes any sense to me.
1 - If it is a marketing/business strategy to make a monetized modding tool and not share anything, that is stupid AF, because honestly, who plays these games anymore? Is there really a profitable market to begin with? Would such help be so harmful for their profits on whatever they're making?

2 - If it is just their inflated ego to be "The Creator" anime hero name behind "The Tool of All Times", then it is just straight up squared stupidity, needless to say

[ember cobalt]

i think that actually exists

[balmy chasm]

Imagine that's just a part of a contract they signed with their investor

[ember cobalt]

https://github.com/jtydhr88/sd-webui-txt-img-to-3d-model

there's also this

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, I know about img-to-model thing. But haven't heard about model enhancer which uses texture input

[ember river]

Imagine being the investor

[ember cobalt]

i recall reading about it somewhere. maybe it was a paper and the software wasn't released

[ember cobalt]

yeah, beautiful 😛

[tawny elk]

Quick upscale it with ersgan

[ember river]

Honestly, it is fascinating that something like that exists. I get mesmerized by each video Two Minutes Paper releases. Ppl have been generating 3D scenaries out of short video clips

I wonder if retro feeding one of those dreaming AI images generators to "dream" about rotating around an object in an input image would produce good enough pics for a Meshroom-like app to work with 🤔

[jade briar]

What is e-man on about?

[balmy chasm]

this

[jade briar]

And who is e-man being mad at?

[ember river]

Those ppl who doesn't like to share software or any help at all

[jade briar]

I'm once again asking

Who

[ember cobalt]

he just means anyone who doesn't want to be helpful basically

[balmy chasm]

this I guess

[ember cobalt]

with how rude they were, they do count toward that i guess

[timid prairie]

Basically Ego pricks

[balmy chasm]

Great we're not NFS modding community. We're Remix com 😅

[ember cobalt]

guys, since this channel is basically NFSU2 specific at this point (and that there's other threads for the other NFS games), i'd like to rename it

any particular names/requirements?

[balmy chasm]

Let me...

Need For Speed Underground 2

[ember cobalt]

well, yeah 😛

[jade briar]

Need For Speed: Underground 2 RTX Remix

[ember cobalt]

this is the Remix server though...

[ember cobalt]

i'll just do this, lol

[balmy chasm]

I believe we should keep to game name so any newcomer knows what's what

[ember cobalt]

Need For Speed Underground 2 (NFSU2)

[balmy chasm]

we got demoted

[ember cobalt]

there was barely any discussion about the other NFS games beyond the first week or so anyway 😛

anyway, we can go back to ranting about people now if you want

[tawny elk]

Where were you when we lost the general

[balmy chasm]

*I literally was the one who asked for that 😫 *

[tawny elk]

The devs working on “hypercooled”, which might also be on the binary team I think.

[ember cobalt]

as soon as i read their announcements channel, i knew something was off

ah well

[jade briar]

I have no idea what's happening

Fill me in

[tawny elk]

I went out on a search to find a map editor to see if we could modify those files to get rid of culling issues.

Only one that seemed like it could do that is a tool called “Hypercooled”

I asked about culling and got asked by a dev if I truly knew what “Culling” was.

Someone helpful did confirm that the culling stuff will be handled with the map streaming system though.

||The dev said they lost IQ points following our discussion||

It’s supposed to be open sourced, but it’s a super secret open source

[jade briar]

hmm

[plain stag]

i know about that tool long time ago ,, and i use different to export whole NFS maps ... but i ask for help they and they wont want help .. but some man help me becuase they dont want and i can stream map Most wanted in Unity app but its old tool i think 3 years old

they are terribly toxic and their community .. a few of them are normal and honour the exceptions

[ember river]

A while ago I searched for some tools to extract the map. Only wanted to play a bit with it in blender. That explains a lot why I could barely find anything useful

[plain stag]

Assetts exporter

[tawny elk]

Project completed. Back to normal hours

[jade briar]

Good job.

[severe solstice]

[valid geyser]

it wasn't

[tawny elk]

So much drama

I go back to adding lights

[slender zodiac]

It's something we already should know. He has to be the guy.

What is the tool that can replace models?

OMT?

[tawny elk]

Eh, I'm not holding my breath. They seem like they don't really want to help :/

[slender zodiac]

Like always

[tawny elk]

Blender and a python script afaik

[slender zodiac]

Show me please

[tawny elk]

@ember river is the person you want

[ember river]

Naah. It is on the hands of @ember cobalt and @sharp sinew now mostly, but I can help a little. Only, I'm not on my computer rn

[slender zodiac]

Could atleast me explain what it does?

It makes sorta stream file

Or just dumps the thing into globalA.Bun?

[tawny elk]

This does it completely outside of the games system

[slender zodiac]

Like maploader?

[tawny elk]

Sort of. Remix just uses the original mesh location to display the replacement mesh.

[slender zodiac]

I saw you were looking for the stuff on disabling the stream stuff

You can actual disable by removing the regions of it.

[tawny elk]

The unloading?

[slender zodiac]

Yes

[ember river]

So, you need a DCC that can export your 3D models in USD format. Then you need to fix the interpolation mode set by the DCC from faceVarying to vertex, which is what the script does. Then you use Nvidia Omniverse Create to replace the models in your mod file.
You might probably have to start by reading the #1096847508002590760 pinned messages for that

[slender zodiac]

So you haven't really tried to mod the streams.

[ember river]

There is some foundational roads you need to figure out before start replacing meshes 🙂

[tawny elk]

I only just figured out the streams are what is preventing us from getting the goal of preventing unloading

[slender zodiac]

I have to start a code for it, then I will make it public for you all if you want collaborate. I know c# and i am studying the actual streams

What was getting me out was hypercooled on unity i didn't keep loosing my time doing the tool knowing that would release soon.

[ember river]

That would be

[tawny elk]

C# is not my forte so I'm not sure how much help I'd be tbh

[slender zodiac]

You debug right?

[tawny elk]

Oh I do that pretty well

[slender zodiac]

That's the thing

[ember river]

I know some good bits of C#, from unity

[slender zodiac]

Also i am working on this

https://github.com/bluesky-dev12/NFSMW_FELOADER

The exe boots but the thing doesn't quite work yet.

We can do one for ug2

Just need to learn more debugging.

Been working for ug1 remake. I just wanted to be something big.

[tawny elk]

The good thing with MW, is that the codebase is really similar to U2 from my exploration.

[slender zodiac]

I will add you let's later share some infos.

[tawny elk]

We'll be here ||Debating about polycounts, texture sizes, and color temperatures.||

[slender zodiac]

I will also make github branch with tool that i made already and branch some it out.

[ember river]

If you guys need anything, I'd be happy to help

[slender zodiac]

Okay adam check pms

[ember river]

If you guys manage to crack that nut, I'd write a very lengthy detailed doc to keep it exposed so no one would have to reinvent the wheel

[tawny elk]

Should I change these lights? They weren't sorted yet.

[ember river]

What do you mean by sorted?

[tawny elk]

Was in adamplayer.usda

[ember river]

I'm really noob when it comes to lights

[tawny elk]

Not one of the sublayers

[ember river]

Oh I see

Nvm

I personally think this region is too dark, although it is it's invention, gameplay-wise this darkness gets a bit in the way

Some bits only, not the whole street

[tawny elk]

Yea it'll brighten up once the buildings have some light.

[tawny elk]

The game looks really uncomfy without any lights on buildings imo. So hard to tell what’s going on.

[safe patrol]

Do I need to focus on storefronts and window emissives?

Actually there's a window emissive pull request that's been waiting to be merged since last week...

[tawny elk]

A lot of the storefronts have rollers or coverings in the fort uion area, so not quite that much to do.

[safe patrol]

Oooh that reminds me, I came across a really good resource for rollers I wanted to see if I could make work for a few spots. Need to remember to do that tomorrow

[tawny elk]

Can always look at the company that makes em. Sure they have lots of beauty shots of them

For example https://www.cooksondoor.com/products

[tawny elk]

Got most of the road ways in the cetner part of the map figured out

[balmy chasm]

Oh yeah. They are almost everywhere. I had to create 3 sets while working on 8 locations 🥲

[ember river]

New PR guys, awaiting review/testing
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/pull/67

[dusty grove]

Ok my iq is 0, where is big green download button?

[ember river]

For that you'll need to learn git, to checkout in this PR's branch and pull all the content

[balmy chasm]

Ah, I misread

[ember river]

Tomorrow I can zip an update if you will

PC is off, going to bed now 😴