NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[jade briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/379970189740998658/927160308622061608/get_beaten.gif

Please brother

Do it for me

Thank you

I'm waiting on EMAN and then I'll make the screenshots for Nvidia

[tawny elk]

I can add it to the specials usda, but it's not getting added long term.

[jade briar]

I can kinda see an angle in the volumetric lighting

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

Also the bug with lights reverting to 1 intensity and such is that OV 2023 adds inputs: to every parameter in the usda

[ember cobalt]

aw man

[ember cobalt]

i like that

[sweet ingot]

Sorry to derail the conversation, but I wanted to know where this place was in the map.
yes I borrowed from someone who posted the screen here, no I don't remember who it was

[tawny elk]

My repo is updated with the changes

[tawny elk]

That's me

Fort union I think

[sweet ingot]

Is it an apartment building of sorts?

[tawny elk]

It's a hotel

[sweet ingot]

Ah. Are there any buildings in Fort Union that might be an apartment?

[tawny elk]

It's all mixed use for the most part. I don't know of a building that's all apartments

[jade briar]

[sweet ingot]

Could this be an apartment?

[tawny elk]

Oh yea that's an apartment.

Why do you ask?

[sweet ingot]

It's for a fan work. I'm just trying to figure out where the stairs would be, or how'd you get into the rooms above

[tawny elk]

The stairs would typically be inside.

[sweet ingot]

Wait. Those are windows, aren't they?

https://tenor.com/bm0A6.gif

Pfft

[jade briar]

That's one hd screenshot

[sweet ingot]

Lol

I probably need an 8K screenshot for that kek

[jade briar]

Alright. Almost all the things that I need to be in the game are in the repo. Only waiting on @ember river , and then screenshots for Nvidia

Will try not to wake up at 5 pm

[final knoll]

How did you put the lights in the headlights???

[tawny elk]

Magic

[final knoll]

jaajajja Magic

[jade briar]

Very. Carefully.

[woeful rock]

Does Quatro K4100m support this RTX Remix for NFSUG2?

[tawny elk]

Nope

[jade briar]

Quatro

[final knoll]

Are you going to implement the lights in the headlights?

Is it a very difficult process?

the time I've been playing the game with the RTX Remix i like it

[jade briar]

It already is. Wait for the next release.

[final knoll]

It's a great job

[final knoll]

A ok Thanks

[odd mural]

This looks kinda cool

[balmy chasm]

@safe patrol If you suggest to name materials by their meaning, then we will end up with 20 types of 'asphalt' texture and nobody will ever know where each one used. Also the same object/material can be named differently, which will make you scroll through every sign to find that exact 'pole', which someone named 'lightStand'. But I believe most of the textures are unique to their Stage at least, so my separation is not absurd

Hi @jade briar . Guess you haven't slept well

[jade briar]

Haven't slept.

[ember river]

City center west tunnel retexturing progress.
I've got to sleep, its 3am now. I won't be able to finish even this tunnel right now before the screenshots, and there are others to work, and then the casino area...

[jade briar]

I'll try to hold out as long as I can. Try to finish the roads at least.

Or are they finished?

[balmy chasm]

Looks gorgeous

[ember river]

Thanks!

[jade briar]

The seam in the first screenshot is not the best sight

[ember river]

Kind of, there are a few here and there which aren't done. Think I'll merge this branch and go back to roads, which accounts for guard rails, fences, some sidewalks, avenue medians, maybe some vegetation, as well as some dirty roads south city center which doesn't use the same asphalt as everywhere else

[ember river]

Yeah sadly I' not sure if I can do something on the texture side, the model for this tunnel is all crooked

[jade briar]

So the you have finished working on the basic roads.

[ember river]

Aight. I'll focus on roads then, later on I'll go back to tunnels and if I have enough time before the screenshots, the casino area

[jade briar]

No, you got the basic roads done. I think you can continue to work on the tunnel, as long as there's nothing missing in the basic city center area.

[ionic prawn]

Amanha ja jogamos ? lkkkk

muito foa

foda

[jade briar]

Ohh

[balmy chasm]

English please 🥲

[ionic prawn]

so sorry...

[ember river]

Gotcha. I'll keep it up then. There is the east tunnel. Think I'll take the time to work on those iconic "sine wave" walls too

[ionic prawn]

im saying the game its VEEERY Beltyful

[jade briar]

Yeah definitely those walls.

You see those a lot

[red mist]

what i see after launching prostreet

what do

[wraith robin]

Remix doesn't really support anything past carbon atm

You could mess with shadermodel in dvxk config or whatever but no idea if it will do much

[jade briar]

Well. E-man is probably asleep.

Who's up? I need info.

i guess ill bite the bullet and download everything in the github.

[tawny elk]

What’s up

[jade briar]

wanted to know how many of eman's textures were in the repo

[jade briar]

Adam im once again here to bother you

Whicj areas have you covered with lights?

[tawny elk]

The majority of the map. Hand crafted (?) areas include that gas station, the bridge to to beacon heights, and a couple buildings in fort union.

The river front road of beacon heights has a ton of lights, but I haven’t really gone over them by hand. It’s just the global light sources.

[jade briar]

Thank you. Also. Havbe you converted all of the warm lights to be the temperature I told you

Something that matches hellraven's?

[wanton hemlock]

has anybody tried making VRchat rtx?

[jade briar]

Wouldn't work

[tawny elk]

Not necessarily. I adjusted some global ones to be 4500k to 5000k but the more residential ones are in the 3000s

[jade briar]

pls change

[wanton hemlock]

lego dx8 games

[tawny elk]

Wrong channel you want #game-compatibility

[wanton hemlock]

ok

[jade briar]

Take ur ass to general. Some of them work. That's all I know.

[wanton hemlock]

ok

[tawny elk]

You’ll have to find that script that Kim wrote. I could do it by hand but I’m going to be away from my workstation till Monday night.

[jade briar]

Femur breaker noises

[tawny elk]

I think you can do a replace all in vscode.

[ember river]

Hi, Im waking up

[jade briar]

Hi waking up.

[ember river]

Idk, Ive grown kind of fond of some yellowish lights, depending on the region. Specially the low profile, residential non-central ones. I think it depends on the vibe. The tunnel region I'm working on right now looms pretty decent, but maybe for the casino it wouldn't. For Fortunion it sure looks amazing, but the main avenue it might not suit 🤔
Anyway, I think would be better to do a hand work for adjusting by region vibe

[ember river]

Hey, I'm drowning!
Hi, I'm Elfo!

[jade briar]

So how many textures have you added to the repo?

I'm just downloading the whole thing and will put it into the game. Gonna replace mine.

[ember river]

Just that one tunnel roof I've sent. I went to bed after that

I was going to merge, but you said to keep working on the tunnels so I didn't merge yet. If you need the tunnel texture I can send you manually soon

[jade briar]

The only thing that'd be great, is the highway wall texture.

[ember river]

I'll on them next, they're rather easy to do

[jade briar]

I'm sorry if I'm asking you guys for too much, but I want to send the best screenshots to nvidia.

[tawny elk]

I might be away from my workstation, but I’ll still have some tools to sketch up some lighting if anyone could be on the lookout for some unique locations that need some love. Or point me to a video of someone driving through the map in the vanilla game or something.

[jade briar]

I might be able to remote into my computer while I'm away.

I hope

Because I have to leave and will be out of city for the next 3 days

[clever meadow]

anyone can share the texture files my game is like this

[safe patrol]

I think the majority of the better stuff I've got completed is merged or has pull requests ready. The stuff in branches that don't yet have pull requests need some more work from me before they're up to snuff

[safe patrol]

Are you using the .2 download or did you install using git?

@ember river do you need me to review your pull request for the tunnel?

[ember river]

Nope, I opened but decided to keep working on it

[jade briar]

Disable road reflections from the game graphics settings

[safe patrol]

I think there's far more re-use of textures in general than you think. But I'll see what I can do to at least get general regions specified for most of the textures. It probably won't be as granular as for lights but hopefully will be a good compromise.

[balmy chasm]

Can you explain the suggestion to change gameReadyAsstes naming?

[balmy chasm]

As for roads use that 03_global/01_roads thing. Dunno if you need to separate materials inside this category

[ember river]

Hey @jade briar, now it occurred to me, would you like me to take those screenshots for you? You could take the RTX off now and send to me so I know exactly where to take the RTX On version.
That way you could take your time and we could take some more time to rework the regions

Btw, could someone send an updated rtx.conf file with appropriate settings? There are texture that weren't marked, other settings for lighting and stuff on mine

[tawny elk]

I have my rtx conf on my repo

[balmy chasm]

@tawny elk I have uploaded a map. Please check it

[tawny elk]

Can you place it here

[balmy chasm]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ti9-UvpwZKhFtBjklSR9ZJ243e3JzaRj/view

[tawny elk]

Thanks 🙏

[tawny elk]

Perfecto

[severe solstice]

[balmy chasm]

Google viewer won't let you zoom in enough
I reuploaded to reduce size

[safe patrol]

K. I'll work on this but it'll probably have to wait until Monday before I can start on it

[jade briar]

Thing is that the camera angle and the car placement must be exactly the same in both on vs off. But don't worry I have setup remote desktop. I'll be able to work.

You take your time

[spark moon]

Does that also include starting a computer...

Or someone have to start it physically then u can remote...

[balmy chasm]

Oh, you can use WoL if your pc in Sleep mode. And you can even set up your pc to stay in sleep mode after electricity shutdown(or it somehow worked for me)

[jade briar]

I got everything covered

[spark moon]

But still a laptop or computer will be needed to work through...

This is amazing

[jade briar]

I have everything I need. Dw

[spark moon]

I am also out today for 3 weeks but I don't have a laptop...sadge

[jade briar]

[balmy chasm]

What about connecting keyboard and mouse to your phone? :D

[jade briar]

I've done that

I also used to play on my collage computers through steam link

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, it saved me when I had to work with client far from my pc as well, even though I regret not having any stand for phone

[spark moon]

Came to my mind but I will avoid working or playing in that smaller screen...

[balmy chasm]

Fine for filling up an excel sheet :D

[ember river]

That is the prize of all times

[balmy chasm]

Nah, 1,0,0000.0 is the real prize

[ember river]

So this is how casinos fool us

@safe patrol How long have u been doing texture work in the project?
I've merged hundreds of them in you PRs already

[jade briar]

I don't think my mod file is needed anymore.

[balmy chasm]

Count is the person who started merging all of usda's. So I guess he pulled everything people posted here

[ember river]

Oh I see. Just merged a neon signs branch with 334 files

[jade briar]

There's a few additions I'm thinking of doing

[wraith gyro]

Can somebody tell me why my Game look like this, when i installed it acordently to the tutorials ? (GitHub tutorial and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U32QaB23Mws) (error only appears in the selection screen of the career mode) would be cool if someone helps me out on this, I´m new to the RTX-Remix bubble and can´t solve this one on my own.

[jade briar]

Strange

[elfin beacon]

College*

[jade briar]

ok.

[elfin beacon]

Yes.
Your welcome.

[jade briar]

You're*

[wraith gyro]

and ingame it looks like this

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-inconvenience-f1-gif-26332436

[ember cobalt]

https://github.com/Kim2091/RTXRemixTools/tree/main/LightAdjuster

[safe patrol]

Those are all of my making. I've been working on this pretty regularly since we started

[jade briar]

Looks like remix can't find textures.

2024

[safe patrol]

Yep it goes red if there's a texture referenced in a USDA that it can't find. Wrong name or path

[elfin beacon]

Congrats.

Treat?

[safe patrol]

I'm not a very good artist at making things from scratch but I'm pretty good at GIMP and can manipulate things. And I've found a number of good online PBR repositories that offer free and public domain materials to work with.

My main goal is to find as many things that I can improve with my meager skills that will significantly improve the overall look of the game until someone with actual talent (read: every other texture artist here) replaces it.

[jade briar]

I can stick nodes into other nodes and eventually end up with full textures

[safe patrol]

Speaking of, I've been working on the gas station. And as I've been driving around I've been looking at real world buildings and getting inspiration for what might work. I'm pretty sure our red-sided roof is inspired by Circle-K, pictured here.

It's also not actually lit up in the real world example. I have a couple of options. I could copy the Circle-K look like this. I think it'd look pretty decent once all the other lights are in place.

Alternatively, I could do a plaster or stucco or something side with 2 or 3 neon bars running all the way around, and these would obviously be emissive

[jade briar]

We need to

Bake a thickness map

To soften the light glow

Around the edges

Because the version that Adam made

Was solid red

All around.

[safe patrol]

Something like Sonic

[ember cobalt]

that'd look nice

[bold bay]

countbuggula asks: Gas station roof design?

1⃣: Circle K
2⃣: Sonic

[ember river]

I like glowing stuff in this game. Sometimes an artistic liberty works best

[ember river]

That is really good. I use PureRef to create some good reference/mood boards before start working at something. It really helps and inspires a lot. Ex: I wouldn't think on adding blind bumps on the sidewalks only from the top of my head without bumping in some pics online

Real world pics are the best. You can't beat nature on its own game

[jade kayak]

I think adding blind bumps is anachronistic

[balmy chasm]

Talking about that, are these bumps intended?

[jade briar]

A fellow artist friend of mine once said. If you're ever looking for inspiration/references. Try to use real life as much as you can.
I can see in your roads board that you're using a lot of images from other 3d renders.

[ember river]

I add stuff on the board for many different purposes. Some of that is to remind me of some cool aspect I'd need to add later, but how it is shaped exactly I tend to use real life footage and stuff. Also, those normal bumps in the concrete annoy me a bit

[jade briar]

Right

[ember river]

Also, kind of needless to say but, avoid using the real textures as is, due to copyright stuff. I use real pictures and textures a lot, even some with watermarks, but I mess with them so much that they become almost unrecognizable, or at least changed enough to pass the laws' limitations so the artwork becomes original again

[safe patrol]

The only place I'm using any photos or textures from as a base are sites with clearly stated licenses to do so.

[ember river]

Another tip, the trend nowadays is photoscanned 3D environments. You can find pretty good looking texture and stuff online by searching for photoscanned stuff too.

[tawny elk]

The sides light up depending on the franchise owners budget and local building codes from my experience.

I do like a sonic neon look.

I don’t know how useful the materials are or the legality of using them, but you can get a ton of textures and materials from the manufacturer of the category of thing your looking for. Such as bricks, walls, paint…

Also anything the government does is public domain by default. NASA has a whole collection of 3D assests and materials that are available for example.

Lemme check if FHWA (the highway department) has anything. Nope

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

I got a desire to make some mood boards now 👀

[jade briar]

I desire

Sleep

[tawny elk]

Get some sleep then fam

[jade briar]

I'm in a bus

It's not that easy

[tawny elk]

Could browse building textures till it puts ya to sleep: https://www.bimobject.com/en/categories/building-materials?software=3dsmax

Lots of inspiration in there 👀

[jade briar]

Thank u

I'll sleep to this

Bed time textures

[tawny elk]

|| The real world is just kit bashing that site together in CAD ||

[fallow pier]

i fuckin skipped this lmao, please pin it 🙏

i have just 2 braincells

[fallow pier]

this problem was happening to me

[safe patrol]

the git repo is pinned and the instructions for downloading the release are in the readme

[fallow pier]

the released version isn't

[safe patrol]

Vote is currently tied at 4-4. I'm happy to make it either way, but I'd like to do what people think will be better, so go vote!

[fallow pier]

i downloaded the git repo main

the release wasn't in it

[safe patrol]

oh we should change the instructions for players to point them to the release instead of downloading the git zip until things are cleaned up a bit more.

[fallow pier]

this

doesnt go here

[ember river]

The repo is kind of unstable, since it is not a release tag. If you want the same zip file that was pinned here on discord, that would be the 0.2.0-alpha that u mentioned

[safe patrol]

also, this is currently VERY VERY VERY alpha right now. You're better off waiting if you're not willing to put some work into getting it working yourself at the moment.

[fallow pier]

maybe i am just dumb, sorry

oh, thanks for the hard work btw 🙏

[ember river]

The repo download will contain the very last "in development" files we're working on at the moment. The release tags are releases that should be more stable and ready to copy and past in the game files

[fallow pier]

yes, im just saying that when i downloaded the repo, the release wasn't in it, what i am saying is that this should be pinned to people download it instead of the repo like i did

[fallow pier]

this link downloaded the repo too

[ember river]

Hmm I see. The repo is pinned for developers, maybe we should add a pin to the releases page then 🤔

[fallow pier]

i got lost when i tried to download the release, please fix it to the others

[ember river]

Go to our GitHub repo page and search for tags/releases somewhere, there should be the file you need to copy and paste in the game files. But follow the video tutorial by hell, it explains step by step really well

[fallow pier]

i didnt explain well sorry

im already downloading the release

i just wanted to ask to pin the release for the other people won't get lost like i did

english isnt my first language too, sorry

[ember river]

I gotcha. Don't worry I'll make a post for someone to pin

[fallow pier]

the video say to go to the pin messages and look for the release

but the only thing pinned that looked like, was the repo

then i just scrolled down from there and found the message about the release

[fallow pier]

thanks 😄

[ember river]

Mod Releases

https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/releases

Could someone pin this message plis 🙏

[tawny elk]

You’ll want Kim for that

[ember river]

@ember cobalt

[jade briar]

So

What has been achieved

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

Same

[ember cobalt]

pinning this will just push the other one with a very similar link down

[ember river]

I see. It is just to point ppl to the releases page instead of developer repo like @fallow pier asked

[safe patrol]

I took my son to a ball game

[jade briar]

Uhhhhhhhhh

Can I come

[safe patrol]

Sure. They're doing fireworks at the end of the game, should be a good show!

[jade briar]

Thx

[safe patrol]

There's even an empty seat by me. I'm sure they'll just let you in

[jade briar]

Yeah

I know a guy

[safe patrol]

Still 1-1, going into extra innings. There's still time for you to get here!

[jade briar]

Give me time, bro. I'm thousands of miles away

[safe patrol]

We lost in the 10th inning after the other team scored a 3 run home run. We're getting ready for fireworks though!

[jade briar]

There's always next time

[jade briar]

I completely forgot about shiburya map from assetto corsa

https://youtube.com/shorts/Z_hhvknQvxk?feature=share

We can take a lot of inspiration from this

[balmy chasm]

Is it special with its... traffic?

[jade briar]

Huh

[elfin beacon]

I just saw a crash today.

[tawny elk]

I can add a separate usda with Japanese style lighting. They have their own unique characteristics to it. https://youtu.be/Iy8hNAUZd3o

https://youtube.com/@jutah has a bunch of videos around the world of driving around if anyone has a particular style they’d like imitated in an alt usda

[ember cobalt]

you should update your instructions post in that case

[sudden stag]

Hello sorry to bother, do I have to just copy and replace these?

[novel sierra]

why mi game is like this? i have a 4060 ti MSI, please help

looks like the texture is not loaded

sorry for bad english

[dusty grove]

from where u download rtx files? obv u donta have all files, so textures not loading in, u need burrito textures

[novel sierra]

from here https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix

where can ai download the texture?

[dusty grove]

yep its broken (no textures)

[novel sierra]

where i download this textures?

[balmy chasm]

If you have any .dds file in your game folder, it means textures are there

[dusty grove]

btw to there is 2 guys doing main job Uncle burrito - textures guy, and Adam Player lights so just use this Lights mod first https://github.com/adamplayer/Underground2RTX, than add textures that i send before. Also player car headlights from GulliUlli #1103377328530276403 message + another texture pack #1103377328530276403 message

The thing is u have a bunch of .usda files inside gameReadyAssets folder, to make work any of these u need to write them into main mod.usda folder like this, the top will have priority over button.

[balmy chasm]

They're all referened in E-man's repo 👀

[tawny elk]

Yea you can use e-man’s repo and then toss my usda into the sub layers and it’ll be a lot easier.

So get the e-man repo, install that, and then grab my repo and place it at the bottom of the sub layers.

That should work.

[dusty grove]

actually does someone have link for burrito textures?

[tawny elk]

First place I’d check is e-man’s repo. That’s the place to find textures afaik.

[dusty grove]

ok man i coundt find burrito textures in discord (but had them on pc) so here u have it All. is setup and running just fine: put it Need for Speed Underground 2\rtx-remix\mods: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EPwNPnbg96GcYBD6dyrjtgUH_YZ9wQT_/view?usp=sharing

[jade briar]

Discord user try to click on the releases page challenge (impossible)

[ember river]

I've just just now woken up. Good morning. Its 1:52pm here.
I...

Over slept

[balmy chasm]

omg

[ember river]

Can we distribute all the mod files into a single file (including rrx-remix, bridge, dxvk, widescreen fix)?

With all setup. So ppl would only have to download and extract one single file and be good to go

I mean, license wise

[balmy chasm]

Guess you have to contact each dev to get an approval

[ember river]

Well, it is all github stuff, which usually all have a License file. Think it is time to sit down and read each one of them

[safe patrol]

It would certainly simplify things if we can package it all together in a single release

[tawny elk]

I was thinking of just using a script to download them all.

[safe patrol]

I mean for all the plebes who show up and ask how to get this to work

[tawny elk]

Yea just have a Python script that downloads all the bits.

[safe patrol]

oh I see what you mean. Still, just giving them a zip to dump in their game directory is far easier than following....any instructions whatsoever. Which seems to be a problem for people.

[tawny elk]

||Id argue that if they don’t want to follow the simple instructions, then this prob isn’t for them||

But that’s just my take. Not a reflection of everyone.

[safe patrol]

I don't entirely disagree. I'm just tired of them popping in here and complaining because they can't follow directions

[jade briar]

You should look at my YouTube comments asking where to download it. (The first sentence is the download link.)

[tawny elk]

I wrote the directions on my repo in the sense that you’ll need to know what rtx remix is to use it and I feel that’s all the “gatekeeping” I would like to apply.

[tawny elk]

Need a video how to do that

[safe patrol]

I started the work to migrate all my stuff to shared file hierarchy standards and got sick of waiting for my slow hard drive so I finally dug out a spare 1TB SSD and added it to my PC. Now we're cooking!

[jade briar]

Y'all have spare ssds?

[tawny elk]

I have a ton of hard drives laying around but no spare ssds

[jade briar]

I have e broken laptops

That's it

[trail quail]

When new showcase

[tawny elk]

Bout to go to micro center and get a new nas though, cause my three (?) year old external drive started clicking

[safe patrol]

This is the stack I pulled it out of. They're mostly 2.5" SAS drives but I had at least one SSD mixed in there

[tawny elk]

Soon

[safe patrol]

I think it's the old one I had in my laptop before I upgraded to a bigger one.

[trail quail]

What you guys working on rn

it seems you guys finally have github, very cool

[tawny elk]

I’d have to round up all my mechanical drives and post them, I have a ton from work.

[safe patrol]

re-organizing and renaming texture files to conform to our rules for shared file hierarchy.

[safe patrol]

I have stacks of SAS drives in the basement next to my rack - I used to use them for shared VM storage in my fileserver but replaced them with SSDs when they got super cheap.

[trail quail]

Thats nice

[elfin beacon]

Whats in there?

[tawny elk]

Tons of Linux distribution isos of course.

[tawny elk]

I need to create the lighting folder structure.

[safe patrol]

nothing, I don't think. I'm pretty sure they're all wiped

[elfin beacon]

Must be aside due to low health.

[safe patrol]

no, just no longer needed in the systems I was previously using them in

[elfin beacon]

Ahh i see.

[ember river]

@balmy chasm started something which I already merged in the main branch, if u wanna take a look

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, I mostly started with stuff nobody will complain about

[safe patrol]

@balmy chasm I'm trying to make some progress with the naming scheme in our document for Shared File Hierarchy. Should we use 04 for the base number for textures? Or are textures getting wrapped into materials and I should put them all in 02_materials?

[severe solstice]

[open atlas]

I mean, I can't blame people for not wanting to download a random Python script but I guess if you don't want that you can download the stuff yourself

[bright cairn]

Are you guys using Nvidia game drivers or studio drivers for this project?

I only ask because i've has major issues with game ready drivers and another game.

[tawny elk]

Game ready

[tawny elk]

I mean if they don’t wanna go grab the zips from the repos then I don’t know what else to do

[bright cairn]

When I updated the game ready driver and the rtx files for splinter cell, there were some funky lighting glitches that got fixed by me installing the studio driver. I'm not sure what's going on there as I didn't do a clean driver install.

[tawny elk]

Interesting. What card are you using?

[bright cairn]

I'm using a ASUS RTX 2060 paired with an i5 8400.

It's worth noting that i'm using windows in a Linux KVM environment with GPU passthrough so I've only got 5 cores assigned to it.

[tawny elk]

Yea that might be it.

[bright cairn]

With game ready drivers I had weird rendering issues on splinter cell but the moment I installed studio drivers it went away. I wouldn't class my experience as conclusive since I have such a complicated setup (my VBIOS has been edited and I had to do some trickery to get all the Nvidia control panel settings showing up). I get near bare metal performance out of my hardware with the benefit that windows update won't fuck me over whenever I want to connect to my PC whilst i'm out.

I noticed @cloud crypt had issues with Omniverse Create launching after updating game ready drivers so it may be worth using studio drivers for development and then testing with game ready drivers when the project is close to release.

[balmy chasm]

I've been deep asleep 🥲

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, textures go to '02_materials'. So you have a path like this .../usda/02_materials which content structure is the same as .../textures. Which basically means .../usda/02_materials/02_cars/23_RX7/020223_RX7.usda is referring to textures in .../textures/02_cars/23_RX7 folder

[jade briar]

That's deep

[elfin beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-suspicious-stare-reaction-gif-gif-26297876

[ember river]

Before we begin moving stuff around, could you guys write a README.md inside this usda explaining, as briefly as possible, how this structure should work? Something for us to keep as a reference index

[balmy chasm]

It is already a part of a Document. Will do that when merging document over

[safe patrol]

Ok I think I understand. I'll give it a try

[ember river]

Can we trust that the texture path is case insensitive? If so, how much? Only the first directory or the full path?
asset inputs:diffuse_texture = @./textures/
asset inputs:diffuse_texture = @./Textures/

[balmy chasm]

I'd like 'Texture' folder to be renamed to 'texture' actually

[safe patrol]

One concern: putting .usda files outside the root gamereadyassets directory broke all sorts of things for me the last time I tried it. It might only work with absolutely references to texture paths, which we can't do.

[safe patrol]

Yeah in windows it won't matter but Linux or Mac will freak out. We need to go through and ensure everything is lower case

[balmy chasm]

Adam has already tested such references in his repo. Seems to work

[ember river]

I think it depends on how the usda files are layered. In create, if you add mod.usda as a child of a capture.usda (by accident), it will only catch references based on capture.usda location. Did that yesterday and got confused for a while

Well actually forget what I've just said. Don't know what I did yesterday. It will grab the references relative to the lowermost .usda file, so if roads.usda is textures/haha/whatever/roads.usda and it needs to reference textures/roads/sanic.dds it should be something like asset inputs:diffuse_texture = @../../roads/sanic.dds

[safe patrol]

ok that makes sense and lines up with what I experienced before. I'll give that a try.

[ember river]

in other words, if we move usda files around, there will lots of .., unless we find a way to call textures/ our home directory globally and reference it in the inner files. Somethinig like:
asset inputs:diffuse_texture = @[MOD-HOME]/roads/

[safe patrol]

if you find out how to do that, awesome. Otherwise yeah, we'll have lots of ........

ok @ember river pull request for new directory structure. I've included all the directories for usda files and textures as specified in our design document.

[safe patrol]

This is STILL stuck at a 4-4 tie guys. Please vote.

[jade briar]

Circle K because I said so

[safe patrol]

I mean, the Circle K one is easier...

but now the vote is 5-5

[balmy chasm]

2 votes recently???

But you know, the only person who didn't vote is you 👉

[safe patrol]

I guess I'm the tie breaker

[ember river]

Well, I've been searching for a while and can't find a way to do what we need: reference the files by a global variable $TEXTURES_ROOT without setting environment variables in the user's machine.
Guess the best we can do is making a usda file only reference textures directly in the same directory as it is, and the subfolders should have their own usda files referencing theirs 🤔
Is that what you guys were thinking about doing? sry if I'm repeating haha

[safe patrol]

no according to the document we should have the usda file in
gameReadyAssets\usda\02_materials\02_cars\01_240SX
and the textures in
gameReadyAssets\textures\02_cars\01_240SX

which means the usda needs to reference its files using
..\..\..\textures\02_cars\01_240SX

[balmy chasm]

It can be discussed as a suggestion though. Like if it has any cons compared to the existing one

[ember river]

hmm I think I've been missing which document u guys are talking about

[safe patrol]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zdvHEN4o750BIjtnF2lvZGRUblZWg2AMZcj6RCfBHkM/edit

[ember river]

My only concern is the paths having lots of leading .. which can become a problem if we decide to move stuff around having to re-reference everything 🤔
Say we decide to add a subdirectory to 240sx and move all textures inside it, something like that

[safe patrol]

yeah in theory I like the idea of organizing our usda files so the gameReadyAssets directory doesn't get too cluttered, but it adds a lot of additional complexity and potential for things breaking

ok I've tried everything I can to get create and remix to exist happily together on my machine and I just don't think the 3060 ti is up to snuff for it. Even using the pixar renderer, this is what I have:

and the remix/game window is like...2 fps. And key commands mostly don't register. And I've got DLSS set to ultra-performance

[balmy chasm]

If I got it correctly, E-man suggested something like
/gameReadyAssets
/.../mod.usda
/.../Lights
/.../Materials
/.../Meshes

and just keep any material .usda with its textures in one of the Material folders

[balmy chasm]

How is that 4.6 gigs .-.

[ember river]

Well yah you're kinda screwed with a 4gb gpu. I have an older 3060 (non-ti), but 12gb, which I'm able to open everything, Create, the game, Krita, Blender, all the stuff

[safe patrol]

it's not a 4GB GPU

it's 8GB

[ember river]

weird, it is registering 4.6

[balmy chasm]

It uses 4.6/8

[balmy chasm]

Also game eating up a lot more than mine

My settings

[safe patrol]

might that be becuase I have a lot more textures replaced?

[ember river]

Almost, I'm not suggesting anything regarding where to put orther assets, only textures, because of the relative paths. If the .dds files are referenced only by the usda in the same directory as them, we don't need to count how many .. we need to find the texture directory, and we can move the whole directory somewhere else without having to change every single texture reference in the usda

[balmy chasm]

🤔 But does it matter if they're not on the screen?

[balmy chasm]

@tawny elk Here's the suggestion on structure

[safe patrol]

putting the usda in the same directory as the actual texture files would GREATLY simplify things

[safe patrol]

ok I changed to these settings and restarted and it's still maxing out my vRAM but at least it's playable now. Thanks

[ember river]

What I visualize is something like this:
mod.usda -> references textures/textures.usda
textures/textures.usda -> references textures/roads/roads.usda

textures/roads/roads.usda
textures/roads/road_1.dds
textures/roads/road_2.dds
textures/roads/road_3.dds

textures/walls/walls.usda
textures/walls/wall_1.dds
textures/walls/wall_2.dds
textures/walls/wall_3.dds

...

And then if we decide to move all walls into a subfolder concrete, it is only a matter of moving everything to textures/walls/concrete/wall*, rename walls.usda to concrete.usda, create a new textures/walls.dds that references concrete.usda and we're good to go.

With such a tree data structure, we can enable and disable whole sets of features in the mod

[safe patrol]

oops, spoke too soon. I screwed up naming something so my texture replacements weren't loading. Once that was fixed, I'm back down to a slideshow

[balmy chasm]

omg

[jade briar]

I'm the pm circle k or death

[safe patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-gif-4628410

[ember river]

Oh the names (walls, roads, etc.) are just for example, it is meant to be in the same structure with the Johnny's decimals which you guys are designing

[safe patrol]

yeah I set everything down to low and still can't do it. Absolutely refuses to do remix (with texture replacements) + create at the same time.

[balmy chasm]

What display setup you got?

[safe patrol]

1080p

[balmy chasm]

x1 1080p display, that's it?

[safe patrol]

no I have 3x1080 displays but I'm only running NFSU2 at 1080p

[balmy chasm]

Is your VRAM usage over 1gb when you don't run OV and game?

[safe patrol]

maybe, I'll have to check

[balmy chasm]

What's the total textures file size you have referenced?

[safe patrol]

1.65GB

[balmy chasm]

🤔 ok ok. That's just 215Mb for me

This theory needs checking. If all textures load up into memory at once, no matter if they're used or not

[safe patrol]

yeah

[balmy chasm]

At this case we shouldn't go over 5.5Gb texture size :D

[safe patrol]

I haven't been going overboard with making every single texture 4k or anything. In most cases I've been pretty conservative.

[jade briar]

That's not good for such a huge game

[balmy chasm]

Otherwise only 8gb+ VRAM holders can run it

[safe patrol]

We might need to get some feedback from Nvidia about it. I wonder if any of the other remix projects have gotten this far with texture replacement as we have.

[balmy chasm]

@safe patrol Do you have most of the game map loaded in OV?

[jade briar]

Only tadpole's project comes to mind.

Or entity's

Those are the only other 2 projects that are doing stuff and not just playing the game as is

But they're one man projects

This one is the only big one I think

[safe patrol]

No, only a single capture with a pretty small view area

I wonder if running remix windowed at 720p would make a difference

[balmy chasm]

How did you work with emissives then?

[safe patrol]

I mostly don't even touch create - you don't need to for emissives

[balmy chasm]

Oh, so you have just captures of all the map?

[safe patrol]

Capture, grab the texture from the capture folder, work from there, create a USDA file including it, test in remix

I just drive around capturing textures and working on them directly

[balmy chasm]

Well, I thought we could count a rough estimate of how many materials might need textures, but seeing my own Material folder having over 400 usd's captured, I guess it is not possible

[jade briar]

If only Adam did something about the culling smh

https://www.marktechpost.com/2023/06/30/unity-announce-the-release-of-muse-a-text-to-video-games-platform-that-lets-you-create-textures-sprites-and-animations-with-natural-language/

Interesting stuff

[tawny elk]

It’s on the back burner

[tawny elk]

I like it 👍

[balmy chasm]

@ember river Can you check updates in document real quick? And tell me if it is correct

[safe patrol]

ok I made new textures for a bunch of stuff for the body shop and pushed to a new branch with it. My game keeps crashing whenever I leave a shop/garage though so I'm taking a break.

there's a new carpet, sofa, tire stack, rims, and tiles

[balmy chasm]

when body shop is literally the last garage left :harold:

[safe patrol]

I will not complain even a little bit if you want to replace my stuff with your own.

There's no lights in there yet and I'm really bad at placing lights which is why I didn't attempt to take a screenshot

These are all proper remakes though and not just AI upscales though. FYI

[ember river]

Sry, was taking a nap.
I don't see where the Johnny's decimals will go. Or wasn't the plan to use that for textures?

[jade briar]

Who is johnny

[ember river]

Joe

[balmy chasm]

That's Adam's suggestion with 102322_name naming

[jade briar]

Joe?

(don't say Joe mama)

[balmy chasm]

I believe it is how article called

[jade briar]

Huh

2 days afk and I'm missing so much stuff

[balmy chasm]

@ember river Here in 'Shared File Hierarchy' section

[ember river]

I see, it is just that I thought the textures would also be placed in johnny decimal encoded file paths too, and the example says env/garageLobby and so on. Either way works great for me

My point was just on the usda placement beside their textures

[balmy chasm]

I gave an example in the desccription

[balmy chasm]

Give an example

[safe patrol]

Put the USDA in the textures/01...etc folder right next to the texture files themselves

[ember river]

Oh im stupid

[balmy chasm]

That's how I set that up basically

[ember river]

There might be more than a thousand dds files rn. We have some work to do

[safe patrol]

Oh I see I didn't see that it'd been updated. So textures will now all go in the 02mat directory alongside the USDA files now?

[balmy chasm]

Right right

[safe patrol]

Ok. @ember river I'll cancel my pull request for the folder structure, do another update, and try again.

I'm ok with the current folder layout as described in the doc, with USDA and texture files sharing the same folder.

[ember river]

Ok. No need to cancel, just change what u need and commit, use the same already open 😉

[safe patrol]

Ok

Either way, I just meant don't accept that merge yet

[ember river]

Have you guys managed to do material replacement? I mean, creating a new material from the same AperturePBR_Opacity.mdl file and assigning it to the mesh? I'm experimenting with it a little bit but no success, back in the game it shows the same material

[balmy chasm]

Are you editing instance? Have you done all the same but on parent Mesh?

[ember river]

oh boy

[ember cobalt]

#1096847508002590760 message

these pictures were very helpful for me

[ember river]

Awesome. Thanks

[ember cobalt]

make sure you're following the tutorial shortly above it too

#1096847508002590760 message

[jade briar]

Iirc, mark told me that'd be possible if I replace a mesh with itself

Tell me if you get it working

[ember cobalt]

you should just be able to replace materials without replacing a mesh though?

[ember river]

Well it kind of works, but since the casino roof is an animated material, I think the replacement only applies to the exact animation frame in which I took the capture so it is blinking on and off

I tried replacing the material alone and this happened, ad now I replaced the whole mesh with material and still blinks

[ember cobalt]

ah, okay

[ember river]

So I guess the game is swapping the whole mesh (new hash ids) for each animation frame :/

[ember cobalt]

seems like it

you should check with the debug view for geometry hash

[jade briar]

That's exactly what's happening. If you open the mesh hash debug view, you can see the hash changes every animation frame

[ember river]

I'm trying to find where is this debug view

[jade briar]

Rendering tab

[ember cobalt]

Rendering -> Debug -> Debug view checkbox

then select Geometry Hash

[jade briar]

(second option)

[ember river]

stupid game

[jade briar]

Yepp

[ember river]

So basically we need to capture exactly the animation frame it is using

[jade briar]

I think it has 2 frames?

[ember river]

all of them

[jade briar]

Or maybe 4

So yeah

[ember cobalt]

capture all of them, and replace

[jade briar]

All of them

[ember cobalt]

sounds like fun

[jade briar]

Fun

You get to

Uhhh

Practice your workflow

[ember cobalt]

click 😛

[jade briar]

4 times

[ember cobalt]

click a lot

[ember river]

Aight, the casino roof hashes are, indeed, 4 frames:
mesh_CA3C8B3FE28CE0FA
mesh_C0DC38B72DFCA6AC
mesh_F7884154604768DC
mesh_359E5AE2AE6A8FAD

Next step is adding materials to this big boy

[ember river]

I've been struggling to understand the 3rd requirement:

Requirements for a replacement model:

1. All Mesh prims in your USD must be triangulated
2. All primvar type attributes in your USD must use vertex interpolation.
3. All Material and Mesh prims in your USD must have a single common parent (i.e. RootNode)
4. All Material prims must use either AperturePBR_Opacity.mdl or AperturePBR_Translucent.mdl

[ember cobalt]

basically that they all have to be classified under a RootNode, which omniverse does by default i believe

over "RootNode"
{
    over "Looks"
    {
        over "mat_61C1982E67FFAFF3"
        {```
looks like this in the usda file

if your replacement mesh is also classified in a "RootNode", you're fine

[ember river]

Hmm I get the steps now. The material should be defined inside a "Looks" scope INSIDE the mesh.usda file, and then be applied to the mesh, yet still, it all shows nothing, and the UVs are all messed up, but one problem at a time 😓

And here is the mesh.usda open in Create, with all the happy warnings

Oh I got the materials to work, it is just the textures paths that aren't being found by the runtime, only in OV

[tawny elk]

Try clicking on the arrow looking one next to the path in ov

[ember river]

Nah. It works well in OV, it is only the runtime that doesn't recognizes. I gave up, went back to work on tunnels and highways

[tawny elk]

Fair enough

[safe patrol]

I'm already mostly done with it

Unless you're redoing the mesh, in which case carry on

[ember river]

Ure working on the casino area?

[safe patrol]

I'm working on all sorts of areas.

I've already done emissives for most of the flashy lights in the casino area.

[ember river]

Cool. Can't wait to see that. The casino area is one of my favorites in the game. The vibe surely is wallpaper worthy

Do you guys also experience the car body not having materials? Is there a fix for that or a workaround? I'm going to register an issue on GitHub so ppl can follow and help debug/fix

[safe patrol]

You have to set up textures or materials for your car and redo it every time you change parts or paint

I created a roughness and metallic map for my car because I'm better with textures than I am with Omniverse

It's not really something for Nvidia to fix, it's just that everything possible paint and part combination has its own unique hash and we haven't come up with a good way to handle that yet. So those of us who are developing/testing/creating just have to do it ourselves for the time being.

[ember river]

I'm sad. But I had a feeling that it would be a problem

[tawny elk]

The good news is the car render structure has become quite documented.

[tawny elk]

My game no longer launches

Might need to restore from a backup. Something broke with my install or windows has decieded to be over protective again

Nope that didn't even help

[ember river]

Hm.. I shows the main loading screen but freezes for a couple of seconds and quits?

[tawny elk]

I got nothing

I should launch it with a debugger and actually find out what's wrong

[ember river]

I resolved that by assigning my user as the owner of the game folder rather than admin

[ember river]

and restarting the machine

[tawny elk]

Yea it's getting an access violation when injecting remix

I'll mess with it in a bit

[ember river]

Hey @tawny elk
Any chance of you merging all the lights work soon before the screenshots?

[tawny elk]

Merging the branch?

[ember river]

Yeah, u said there still more work to do before merging. Also, you'd like to keep working on your repo or migrate to the project's?

[tawny elk]

I mean there's still plently of lighting to be added before I'd consider it "releasable".

I'll keep my repo going and just mirror it on yours as well, since I don't want to flood yours with all my commits.

[ember river]

I see. I'm afraid of having to merge and solve conflicts of a huge branch and end up several days to get it to work

don't worry about commits, I commit every single change I do. Usually more commits == better

[tawny elk]

[ember river]

It is just a matter of which one you feel more comfortable working with

weird, shouldn't it be loading remix's d3d9?

[tawny elk]

Aw fuck

I forgot about the asi loader

I didn't rename the d3d9.dll to asi

[tawny elk]

Okay so I need to convert all my usda's over to the standard format, and then I think it's okay to merge. I don't think it'll be every light usda thankfully

[ember river]

Cant wait to play the game in other regions and new lights

Aight ill go to bed. See y'all

[tawny elk]

[valid geyser]

but why must it be called muse

is this a reference to their "drones" album

[slate surge]

Anyone get it to launch under WINE?

Process just hangs for me on launch. Can get it to crash out if I force it to launch under Portal RTX's working proton prefix

[tawny elk]

Wheh that's a lot of USDAs nesting

[jade briar]

Subfolders people. Subfolders.

Can't wait for creator toolkit to say fuck you these usds are useless

[tawny elk]

Those are in subfolders

[jade briar]

Hmm

[safe patrol]

My Linux laptop only has a 1070 so no remix there, sadly

[tawny elk]

Okay I think I got the system down

The majority of my things are in global and roadway by the way

[tawny elk]

Facade lighting

[jade briar]

Okay

But

[jade briar]

Adam doing a good job

[tawny elk]

These storefronts seem like they're closed from how dark they are compared to the road

Ah it's just the window texture missing an emissive texture that makes it look that way

Onto the Liwen

[jade briar]

I see

[tawny elk]

Do I do the typical facade spot light or ...

Something where the whole collumn emits light?

[balmy chasm]

I assume that's a hotel, so bright lights from outdoors are not perfect for good sleep

[tawny elk]

With a PBR brick material it'd lose a lot of light on the building since the surface is so rough. Plus the windows would be heavily tinted in real life so not much lights get in.

[safe patrol]

yeah I have emissives for them but they look like crap currently and I have to redo them so I'm not sharing them yet.

[jade briar]

Gatekeeping

[safe patrol]

Those lights are looking awesome though, looking forward to adding them to my setup!

[safe patrol]

Haha, no trust me they're garbage. I tried to do a mostly automated thing and it didn't turn out. You don't want them.

But rest assured I'm working on them and I'll share when they're halfway decent.

actually they're all uploaded in the storefront branch if you really want to use them. I don't consider them ready for public consumption which is why I didn't merge them into main yet but if you REALLY want, they're all right here
https://github.com/Ekozmaster/NFSU2-RTX-Remix/tree/storefront

[balmy chasm]

what's the point to make window if you negate its main usage - to be a sight into environment

[tawny elk]

Building codes require it. They'd replace the windows with screens in a heartbeat if they could.

[balmy chasm]

And building codes require it to follow insolation time, which tinted windows won't conform

[bright hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/marmota-rot-eat-hungry-gif-16803641

[bright hedge]

looks nice

[ember river]

Those all are looking really cool. Great job. You think spotlights can be a good replacement for all those ugly fake mesh lights all around the city?

[tawny elk]

I turned off that texture in my rtx conf. They're the spotlight light source in mine. I plan on going through by hand and adding their intended effect.

I think that's good for now

[jade briar]

Those lights depend on vertex colors for the light color. So idk how we'll get around that

[elfin beacon]

Hella money

[tawny elk]

Find the unique building mesh and associate everything with it

[jade briar]

That's sub optimal

I wonder if

Remix will support basic scripts

Like

[tawny elk]

I'd prefer to do it by hand

[jade briar]

X mesh has y vcols. Then make a light attached to z mesh some color

[tawny elk]

Here's what they currently look like in their "global" state

[ember river]

Well, there is not a single day I don't find myself thinking about the box of wonders we would unlock by figuring out mesh replacement for this game. The possibilities are endless

I tried to replace the textures for those spotlights, but the UV is so cursed I had an aneurism

[tawny elk]

Show us the horror

How bad could they be?

[ember river]

I checked out, no where to be seen haha

[balmy chasm]

They're so warped that you can't find them

[ember river]

the thing is, the mesh shape is sort of a cone, but the UVs are mapped somewhat like a quad. I tried to add a soft falloff to the edges so they wouldn't be so hard cut and look more natural with how volume scattering works, but the UVs go all wrong, diagonally breaking the shape

[tawny elk]

Now why is one tower inverted

Ah it's a mirror and scale of the other 🙄

[balmy chasm]

What about the whole staircase UV being a 1x1px size on the giant map of brick wall?

[tawny elk]

They did that just for you

[balmy chasm]

You can actually spot it

[ember river]

You see cursed UVs a lot everywhere in this game.
Texture mapping out of love

Is there a way to see material hashes instead of geometry hashes with debug cam? I'm not finding it

[jade briar]

I would literally start remodeling the buildings. Giving them proper interiors.

Like. Nothing detailed

Just extrude the windows in

[balmy chasm]

Ah

[jade briar]

💀

[tawny elk]

Getting something

[jade briar]

What is

You doing

[tawny elk]

Getting ||Burger King|| these buildings all nicely lit

[jade briar]

Ah

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/6I1tT7CFW2-4se_8_9S1u4NbIFD5WwBrLdwSShVuJOc/https/media.tenor.com/pOAyytGaAo0AAAPo/boykisser-mauzymice.mp4

[safe patrol]

A few of the traffic cars use part of the headlight UV for the rear view mirror. I haven't spent the time to identify the bit but it's annoying because it means some of the cars have glowing side mirrors

[tawny elk]

I think I'll wait till there's emissives to see if it needs anymore help

[ember river]

Looking gorgeous alerady

[jade briar]

Looks great

[tawny elk]

I think I have time for one more, any suggestions?

[balmy chasm]

Which options we got?

Is that retextured?

[tawny elk]

The world is your oyster

[tawny elk]

Don't think so. I have an old set of Count's textures so he'd likely know

[balmy chasm]

Do you have this thing finished?

[tawny elk]

No not yet. Looks like a fun one

[ember river]

Guys, I'm thinking about something. Maybe there is a way to tell, via USD manual editing, that for the mesh of 240_sx, whatever material hash it is using in the moment, just go and replace the roughness attribute to what we want, via some over statement, idk.
Think something like that could work?
Something like:

over "mesh_5C7E0DFCDB1EF99C"
{
    over "mat_*"
    {
        *replace only the roughness value*
    }
}

[balmy chasm]

Guess you'd need a quick replacement for that statue. Something like adjusted Metallic

[jade briar]

Ask mark

[ember river]

What is the channel we use to bother him?

[balmy chasm]

Called 'DM'

[ember river]

Oh ok

[balmy chasm]

Or you can actually ask in #general-remix if it was discussed before

[tawny elk]

Should I keep this green tint?

[balmy chasm]

Texture looks soooooo similar

If that's a vertex-color-case, so you have no choise

[final knoll]

How do you put headlight??

[tawny elk]

Looks matrixesque

[final knoll]

i say the car

[ember river]

It is already available on our github repository for developers. There are no releases with headlights yet

[ember river]

That gives some matrix vibes

[balmy chasm]

Oh, original one is cyan, not green 😅

[tawny elk]

Tada

[ember river]

I like the very saturated cyan color, seems fitting at least nostalgically speaking

[ember river]

Hmm.. maybe more intense? The original one seems to have a white start with the cyan falloff

[tawny elk]

I can't do falloffs from my knowledge but I'll try it again

[ember river]

I mean, it must be a matter of adjusting range and intensity to a balance point 🤔

[tawny elk]

Also, does anyone know how to stop OV from adding inputs: to everything?

Breaks remix

[final knoll]

From what can be seen in the screenshots, the headlights are very well implemented

[tawny elk]

But it isn't ready for the public. The high beams are stuck on and it's rude to the ai drivers.

[tawny elk]

Huh guess they work

[ember river]

Fuck'em, it is underground racing. No laws allowed

[tawny elk]

I'm gonna do the fountain real quick and then I gotta let things cool down ||and go get ice cream||

Eh not too happy with it

I think there's some vertex funk going on with it as well

[balmy chasm]

👆

[tawny elk]

I comitted all the changes I've made today to both repos, so ya'll can play with the changes

I'm gonna go get ice cream

[ember river]

Hmm yeah, the towers are cyan but the bottom seems more like aqua. Isn't quite working as expected

Hey @tawny elk , which branch did you commit? Can it be closed after merging?

[tawny elk]

Wouldn't I need to open the branch again once I add more lights?

It's the lighting branch

It can be merged afaik. There's still quite a few quirks ||and features|| that I still haven't ironed out though.

[ember river]

It is to keep commits organized and tied up in short lived branches. Nevermind, I'll create another branch from yours and merge it. Later on when you add more stuff to the lighting branch I'll think of a strategy to grab the new stuff into another new branch and merge. Maybe using git's cherry pick functionality

[tawny elk]

Maybe a branch for each area? I can try to focus on one at a time.

[ember river]

That would be awesome. For now I'll just merge the whole lighting branch into main

[tawny elk]

Also I noticed that the USDAs that were being using as placeholders didn’t have the bits that OV wanted in order to be added as a sub layer. I replaced all the lighting ones with ones that work if you want to copy them to the material ones.

[balmy chasm]

Material ones have different naming

[tawny elk]

Y’all keep finding spots that need some lighting love. I’ll probably stick to the hotel plaza and city core unless I want to get adventurous.

[ember river]

bless u

[tawny elk]

Did it just snap into place ez?

[ember river]

like that I tetris on a 4 row hole

[jade briar]

A bit too green, innit?

[ember river]

What is in LasVegasBlv? Roughly speaking so I can drive around to check

[dapper root]

What the hell??? That looks so good!

[tawny elk]

Oh that’s the covered part with the emissive roof

It’s modeled after whatever that boulevard in Vegas is called

[ember river]

Ah yes, the blinking one

How should they be installed? in the mod.usda

[tawny elk]

Uh. My repo has the correct layout for it in adamplayer.usda

It’s a bit hard to describe 👀

[ember river]

I see. Hmm the USDA hierarchy must be built yet

[tawny elk]

Yea I tried my best

[ember river]

Let me see what I can do to merge it all

[tawny elk]

Oh I merged the various 100_blah USDAs already

The ones that aren’t standard that i had as a stop gap

I thought I had removed them from lighting branch my b

[ember river]

I see those changes when comparing to main. The usda inside the Lights directory aren't linked to anything, so I think I will reference them as adamplayer.usda' sublayers 🤔
On the otherhand @balmy chasm started a directory structure inside the usda directory which looks like this:

├───01_lights
│ ├───01_buildings
│ │ ├───01_jacksonHeights01
│ │ ├───02_jacksonHeights02
│ │ ├───03_jacksonHeights03
│ │ ├───04_beaconHillWest
│ │ ├───05_beaconHillEast
│ │ ├───06_pigeonPark
│ │ ├───07_hotelPlaza
│ │ ├───08_cityCenter
│ │ ├───09_stadium
│ │ ├───10_southMarket
│ │ ├───11_fortUnion
│ │ ├───12_elNorte
│ │ ├───13_airport
│ │ ├───14_coalHarborWest
│ │ ├───15_coalHarborEast
│ │ └───16_garages
│ │ ├───01_garageLobby
│ │ ├───02_garageCareer
│ │ ├───03_garageCar
│ │ ├───04_garagePerf
│ │ ├───05_garageSpec
│ │ ├───06_garageBody
│ │ ├───07_garageGraph
│ │ └───08_garageDyno
│ ├───02_roadways
│ ├───03_cars
│ │ ├───01_240SX
│ │ ├───...
│ ├───04_unique
│ └───05_global
├───02_materials
│ └───02_cars
│ ├───01_240SX
│ ├───...
└───03_meshes

[tawny elk]

Oh yea you can delete the lights folder

[balmy chasm]

'usda' folder is no longer a thing

Just follow changes in Document :harold:

[tawny elk]

Nothing in there is used anymore

[ember river]

Where are those lights now?

[balmy chasm]

We now have mod.usda, 01_lights, 02_materials, 03_meshes only in gameReadyAssets. They mostly migrated from previous usda/01_lights folder

[tawny elk]

In their respective usdas in the standard structure

[ember river]

Think I've got it now

[jade briar]

[tawny elk]

So what’s in each usda? Or does the docs answer that

[ember river]

I've created this, which references it's children

[balmy chasm]

Well, I wrote a little note about that

[ember river]

and then 01_lights should go to mod.usda directly. The same for 02_materials and 03_meshes, right?

[balmy chasm]

Just to make it clear - 01_light/etc. is a folder name, not an .usda. If it was .usda, I'd write an extension in the end

[tawny elk]

I need to figure out how to add a variants usda. That’s what the unique was ported from.

[balmy chasm]

Example: for Mazda RX7 materials, both 020223_RX7.usda and your textures will be in the same 02_materials/02_cars/23_RX7 folder.

[ember river]

Hmm... I see. I just created that to have a handle to enable/disable lights all together. What do you guys think? Otherwise, mod.usda would have to reference all the subfolders (buildings, roadways, cars...)

[tawny elk]

I think disabling the individual usdas was my thought

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, it makes sense. Also this 'top usda' can overwrite some important lights in case we need something like that

[ember river]

That can still be done. Just by removing the reference from 01_lights.usda

[tawny elk]

You can mark them with the visibility properly so you don’t have to remove the reference

[ember river]

I'll only make that for lights rn to keep changes concise in the branch, without too much conflicting stuff all around, later on when working in materials someone could do the same linking for them, same for the so awaited meshes

Should I add adamplayer.usda to mod.usda?

[tawny elk]

That’s got lots of unorganized stuff in but sure 👍

Remix doesn’t reload the usda unless the mod usda gets written to so I work in that for the most part

[balmy chasm]

Actually this one might need some thinking

Like I'm pretty fine with mod.usda referencing all of the .usda structure tree inside it

I just realised that 01_lights.usda(and such level 1 and 2 .usda) is really out of plans. Basically because we have a rule of adding sign after 2nd level of structure

[ember river]

Oh I see. Well, either way works fine. If it becomes too painful to manage and another hierarchy level is necessary, we could sort things later

@tawny elk The sky seems pretty bright on mine. Used with both mine and your rtx.conf

[balmy chasm]

Can we? 🥲

[tawny elk]

Hm

[ember river]

Is it like this on yours too?

[tawny elk]

No. I have volumetric lighting disabled, so that might be what’s making yours look a bit brighter.

[ember river]

Oh it looks a lot like that. Let me check

[tawny elk]

Lemme know if y’all get a nice after rain fog figured out. I feel like remix is too foggy by default.

[severe solstice]

[jade briar]

That would be my bad

[severe solstice]

adam build

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[ember river]

Yeah that changed a lot

[tawny elk]

It works on my machine.jpg

[ember river]

This particular crossing has some culling issues, I noticed

[tawny elk]

It’s when half of that curved building gets culled.

[ember river]

Also, your rtx.conf is too powerful for my 3060 lol. Had to crawl back to mine

[tawny elk]

Adjust the presets. It’ll look fine on high and medium.

I want to believe there’s something in the wrong category that’s causing the perf problems.

Cause I can get 70fps and then 30fps in the same area

[ember river]

I'll check that later. Rn I feeling kind of weird about those lights. In your pictures they look real pretty, but on mine they're very overbright

[severe solstice]

[tawny elk]

Do you have auto exposure on?

[jade briar]

Man this area looks too damn yellow again

I think the city center are should look cooler

[ember river]

Yeah I had. Now I disabled and got too much contrast. I'll mess around with AE settings untils it is acceptable

Hmm so the game is suffering from some serious culling issues

lol

[tawny elk]

Oh that might be a mesh I forgot to add the custom int to

In fact I’m almost certain it is

[tawny elk]

Yea the AE settings are flexible since everything is adjusted with a fixed exposure

[tawny elk]

Working on it slowly

[jade briar]

Okay

[tawny elk]

It’ll get much cooler in lighting as I add the buildings as well

[ember river]

Well I couldn't make it work. There is something else making a lot of noise, culling poping in and out, too much overbright, eye adaptation goes all the way up and down from heaven bright to pitch black

I'm one of the curseds with the restir shine

[tawny elk]

Even with just straight up using my rtx conf?

[ember river]

Yup

[tawny elk]

Bizarre

[ember river]

I'll put without changing a single settings, even DLSS off and everything

[tawny elk]

Maybe it’s driver related?

[ember river]

I have that restir overbright problem that some have been reporting

[tawny elk]

Here’s a cat to hold you over. This took forever to upload and is meant for @jade briar

[tawny elk]

I have yet to update my drivers beyond 545.29

What driver version are you on?

[ember river]

535.98

[tawny elk]

Hm

[ember cobalt]

you guys having fun?

[ember cobalt]

i'm on the same driver

[ember river]

You have this problem too?

[ember cobalt]

i don't quite understand what the problem is

but i'll try to reproduce it on my PC if you can explain it

[ember river]

Well there isn't much to explain in terms of steps to reproduce or anything

I'm using default Auto Exposure settings. Gets worse if I disable it. Here is my rtx.conf

[tawny elk]

I don’t ever have this issue on my setup so it’s hard to diagnose. Sad to see that’s it’s not some weird rtx conf problem tho.

[ember river]

Yeah, it is weird. Think I'll push the branch as is so someone else could pull and test :/

[tawny elk]

I’ll double check my drivers and see if I have anything unique going on

[jade briar]

Here's one for you

[jade briar]

I have reported this bug to mark in the past. He said the rendering guys are looking into it.

[ember river]

Aight, I'm tired rn. Gonna take a break and go back to textures later

[bright hedge]

thats ur cat?@tawny elk

[tawny elk]

No I volunteer at a shelter every week. So I see lots of kitties

[jade briar]

https://youtu.be/JGiNLkgNC7s

11:23

I think I could learn a lot from this section of the video if it was released a few weeks ago

[tawny elk]

I've returned from ice cream

[jade briar]

Where's mine?

[tawny elk]

Ate on the way back

[tawny elk]

Uh

Oh DLSS was disabled

[jade briar]

Oh yeah. I ran into this a while ago

Trippy

[tawny elk]

If anyone is able to get the restir issue consistantly, could you see if it's showing up with this debug setting?

[jade briar]

It consistent appears in ref mode

[tawny elk]

Yea but I'm curious to see what it looks like in EV mode, is it just everything exploding in exposure?

[jade briar]

Nope, it seems as if there's a light source just outside of the camera view.

And it grows each frame

[tawny elk]

Oh I think I've had that appear before, some giant light source towards the bayview sign

[jade briar]

Yeah

[tawny elk]

I think I turned off the bayview sign's emissive after that happened tho

[pallid river]

Which NFS looks the most promising atm?

[tawny elk]

This one

[pallid river]

Which is?

[jade briar]

This

[pallid river]

Unless I'm missing something this thread just says General NFS

[jade briar]

Underground 2

[tawny elk]

[pallid river]

Ok making sure lol

No luck on Source stuff until they fix shaderModel so I'll give this a go

[sage wraith]

This lags by this Shop, is by me the same, with dlss enabled too.

[tawny elk]

Yea, I'm thinking something is being treated as transparent when it shouldn't be

[sage wraith]

Maybe

[tawny elk]

Do I do this roadway or The Regalle next?

[safe patrol]

I've got a bunch of WIP emissives for the store fronts along that road - wait until those are ready so you can balance the lighting with the shop lights

[jade briar]

The first one, for sure

[tawny elk]

Gotta be quicker than that

[jade briar]

Welp

[tawny elk]

Yea I'm going to wait till the storefront texture is done, cause I don't think it'll need much after that's added.

[jade briar]

Right

[tawny elk]

Looking more and more like a downtown

[jade briar]

If it tho

[tawny elk]

I think so. The buildings have a lot more depth to them.

[jade briar]

👏 cold 👏 lights 👏

[tawny elk]

If you apply the unique usda, it makes them all 6500k for you

[ember river]

With/Without ReSTIR (don't ask about the taxicabs)

[tawny elk]

Interesting

[ember river]

Think I'll register an issue

Might as well take some time to setup this thing in another game and see if it happens too

[tawny elk]

I need a color for this building

Or should it just be plain white?

Or maybe rainbow

[ember river]

Hey @tawny elk , there is something weird with your lights. I noticed they're overbright ingame. I decided to check a little further and they seems waaaay overbright than comparing to the older mod_lights.usda file.
I did that by parsing the adamplayer.usda and mod_lights.usda files in python searching for substrings "float intensity = " and "float exposure = ".

In mod_lights.usda, the average light intensity is 9.8, and avg exposure is 1.75. Also, the highest intensity is 120, and max exposure is 8.5.
On your file, adamplayer.usda, the average intensity is 2398 (yes, 2k+), avg exposure 1.22, max intensity 120k and max exposure 12.

Here is an example of a seemingly weird setting:
over "mesh_1962E3CF04BF7E0B"
{
custom int preserveOriginalDrawCall = 1

        def SphereLight "GarageSoftSphere" (
            prepend apiSchemas = ["ShapingAPI"]
        )
        {
            bool enableColorTemperature = 1
            float intensity = 910
            float radius = 0.5
            float shaping:cone:angle = 54.5
            float shaping:cone:softness = 0.3
            float shaping:focus
            color3f shaping:focusTint
            asset shaping:ies:file
            double3 xformOp:rotateXYZ = (10.700000159442425, 0, 0)
            double3 xformOp:scale = (1, 1, 1)
            double3 xformOp:translate = (0, 4.500000067055225, 3.6000000536441803)
            uniform token[] xformOpOrder = ["xformOp:translate", "xformOp:rotateXYZ", "xformOp:scale"]
        }

Is it supposed to be like that and there are more settings to do ingame to work properly?

[bitter venture]

this one looks stunning!!

the reflection on the shadow is hhmmmff

[tawny elk]

Weird. I don't know of anything that has an intensity that high.

Also was the mod_lights.usda created with the nonstandard 10 tonemapper exposure setting?

Also the average will be skewed towards the many many hand placed architectural

There was a point where I was using nonstandard exposure settings which resulted in the intensities being quite high, there's most likey ones I missed. Especially if I haven't sorted them yet.

[ember river]

Hmmm interesting

Idk about this tonemapper value

where do u adjust it in game?

[tawny elk]

Ah I found it, I think it might of been something that wasn't updated when I was figuring out theinputs: thing.

[ember river]

RLMStreetLight is the 120000 light

[tawny elk]

Yep it's set at 500 now

[ember river]

let me see

[tawny elk]

Says it was modified this morning to be a correct value

[ember river]

Which one of these u're refering to?

[tawny elk]

Exposure level

[ember river]

500?

but that would make them even brighter

[tawny elk]

Dear lord no. That was the intensity of the RLM light.

[ember river]

Oh ok hahhaha

so should I change something on my tonemapping settings? I'm just using what comes by default

[tawny elk]

The default is 0.75 I believe. That's what I have noted.

Here's what I have

[ember river]

I'm I cursed then?

[tawny elk]

That looks correct

[ember river]

Bright like this?

[tawny elk]

Here's roughly the same spot of the first one

I think the bloom messes with that chandelier fixture that appears in fort union. Lemme double check

What's your scene scale at?

[ember river]

0.01

[tawny elk]

Hm

[ember river]

Alright I'm going to bed rn. Tomorrow I'll keep working on it

[timid prairie]

That lighting on a player's car, DAMN

[balmy chasm]

To be honest I have no replacements there and no lags either

[jade briar]

Yeah, I always thought Adam was making his lights wayyy too vright

Bright

[jade briar]

Hey @ember river. Don't you think the road textures should be higher res? They're looking a bit blurry.

[ember river]

Weird, in game they look fine. Probably the pic is being compressed and losing all high frequency details. The textures are already 4k

[tawny elk]

They look great in game

[tawny elk]

It’s annoying. We’re all getting this intermittent problems (ReSTIR nuke, massive lag spikes, etc), that seems to be independent of any remix setting.

[jade briar]

Right

[jade briar]

Don't worry. All of these bugs have been reported to mark.

[tawny elk]

I do have to ask do they visually look okay when using my rtx conf? I begged Mark to get some reasoning behind why remix handled lighting how it does, since it doesn’t really follow realistic values. I got the answer of they’re saving on memory by using FP16 for lights and not to worry about realistic values, just do what looks correct.

[tawny elk]

Valve Nvidia Mark pls fix

[jade briar]

Dice

Bethesda

Valve

Mark

Who else?

[ember river]

Nope, on my machine, lighting has all those problems I showed yesterday. My setup is cursed

[tawny elk]

Look at how they’ve massacred my boy!

[ember river]

It doesn't looks exactly like yours pic

[tawny elk]

Well that’s quite annoying. I thought that was what was going to let us be able to have compatibility.

Wonder if the game settings change anything?

[balmy chasm]

Guess most people here followed Uncle's settings

[ember river]

Ill get out of bed, grab some coffee and keep exploring

Any recommendations for game settings?

[tawny elk]

Which had a tonemapper exposure of 10 afaik so that kinda threw a wrench into it.

[balmy chasm]

This one

[modest obsidian]

Hey, just did a fresh install following the repo guide and this is what I get

[balmy chasm]

I'm talking about game settings, not rtx.conf

[jade briar]

Do you have the game installed in c?

[tawny elk]

Ah my b. Yea I believe I have those settings for my setup.

[modest obsidian]

You mean C: drive? Nah

[jade briar]

Did you install release 0.2, or the repo?

[modest obsidian]

Just followed the guide in the repo readme

[jade briar]

Hmm

I haven't read that

[modest obsidian]

Completely from start to finish, including dependencies

[ember river]

It is not the first to report the textures missing by following repo install

[jade briar]

Absolute paths?

[ember river]

Are there dds textures in gameReadyTextures/textures/?

[modest obsidian]

Yeah

[balmy chasm]

If I remember correctly, previous guy didn't solve an issue. Someone other just sent him reuploaded archive file

[balmy chasm]

What's the size of Textures folder?

[modest obsidian]

171 KB, lol

Doesn't seem right :D

[balmy chasm]

Wow, you failed to download successfully

[tawny elk]

Also some context on intensity: 1 intensity is supposed to be 1 candela/m2, or a Nit. An iPhone 13’s screen is 800 nits. A new qled tv can hit 2000 nits.

[balmy chasm]

It should be 1.85Gb

[modest obsidian]

When I download the repo from Github, the whole thing is like 1.8 megabytes

[ember river]

Wut. If you know git, you could try checking out and pulling the textures

I think the LFS extension is doing some trickery

[balmy chasm]

@ember river Why 'Download ZIP' does this? .-.

[modest obsidian]

Installing Git to check if pulling works

[jade briar]

Oh yeah

If you download the project as code from the website, GitHub only gives you a megabyte and a half as a treat

I thought you guys knew

I think end users should stick to the releases page

[ember river]

Well, ok then, git lfs is really tricking us. Think I need to update the install script

[modest obsidian]

Cloning worked, unsurprisingly, but lighting is going crazy

[jade briar]

Like how

[ember river]

Check the issues tab in the repo, see if it is the same I described

[modest obsidian]

I will try the solution in the Issues

[ember river]

My guy just unlocked day mode

Did you copy the rtx conf from rtx defaults in the game directory?

Think that might be a missing step in the readme

[modest obsidian]

No, it didn't say so in the guide, will try it next

[ember river]

Yeah my bad

I wrote that thing

[modest obsidian]

Didn't help much with lighting, but some textures are better now, like tire smoke

[jade briar]

I can't even watch these videos