NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[cloud crypt]

main file should be mod

wait, i search it

[sage wraith]

Okey can you make a mod.usda where only pathes to the single “…”_mod.usda’s is?

Then everyone can work on his own thing ans upload it here and all can download the files without any changes by himself

I guess that would make it a lot easier to handle multi-person progress

[cloud crypt]

this lines

so basically you can add several sublayers

but for that a normal mod.usda is needed

because that mod.usda connects to the game

[sage wraith]

Yes that’s what I allready tought

[cloud crypt]

i can create you an empty mod.usda with these settings

so you can add your sublayers yourself

[sage wraith]

So let’s create a mod.usda, where only the pathes to sub mod.usda inside and no game changes

[cloud crypt]

thats what i would do

[sage wraith]

Okey Nice, But then all have to use this System

[cloud crypt]

that would make hotswapping mod presets way easier

[sage wraith]

Otherwise its useless 😅

[cloud crypt]

only one line has to be added or deleted then

[sage wraith]

Absolutly

[cloud crypt]

but first i make sure this system works

[sage wraith]

Yes And when you brings a new mod.usda, i can simply replace it in my folder, without And more work to make my Stuff compatible

[sage wraith]

That would be good^^ i cant help you now, Because i am at work

I will Upload my stuff later with a gu_mod.usda where only my textures Are included

[cloud crypt]

hotswap system works

[sage wraith]

Okey easymode 👌🏽

And when you Add the Path to a Not existig .usda ? Will it get an error?

[cloud crypt]

i am loojing into it now

[sage wraith]

If it will simply ignor this lines then, it would be mega easy to delete Single modparts too

[open atlas]

minecraft road texture

[cloud crypt]

well, it works somewhat, but somehow the textures dont getting displayed anymore

[sage wraith]

Can you Send me the mod.usda ?

[cloud crypt]

looking like that then

[sage wraith]

When in the mod.usda is a Path to a kot existing sublayer?

[sudden stag]

does anyone have a d3d9.dll file that is compatible to the mod?

[cloud crypt]

only the one from bridge remix

[sudden stag]

ok ill see how it goes

[cloud crypt]

just rename the bur_mod line to yours

[cloud crypt]

copy bridge.conf to the .trx folder and dxvk.conf directly into the game folder

[cloud crypt]

modular mod working now just fine

[sage wraith]

okey i guess i works, i will create a new usda with only my textures now and will it upload then

[sudden stag]

still the same :'(~

[cloud crypt]

you renamed dinput8.dll to dsound.dll right?

[sudden stag]

yes

[cloud crypt]

can you send me a screenshot of the full folder?

[cloud crypt]

there are files missing :/

[sudden stag]

which ones?

[cloud crypt]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xGljZZEzoN531HEm9jxazwl56nT_9SQo/view?usp=drive_link

download this file. and tell me when you have downloaded it so i can delete it again

in this file everything you need is put together

oh, and delete the other files you installed
and if you get asked to replace smth just press copy and replace

[cloud crypt]

@sudden stag does it work?

[sudden stag]

It is loading!

but it seems to be it is crashing during when a race is about to start

[cloud crypt]

uninstall extra options, inlimiter and car sound tuner

all are in scripts folder

[sudden stag]

finally! thanks

[cloud crypt]

no problem

so i can delete the files from g-drive then

[sudden stag]

but i am having a problem now occuring aswell 🤣

Im really sorry to bother you

[cloud crypt]

why is it daytime for you xD

have you installed any other mods?

[sudden stag]

nope

just the good old plain widescreen

thats it

[cloud crypt]

pls show me your tonemapping and auto exposure settings in post processing

[sudden stag]

it looks fine when im not racing however when im about to start racing it goes daylight

[cloud crypt]

your tonemapping settings are strange

[sudden stag]

what is recommended?

[cloud crypt]

@sudden stag , use these pls

[sudden stag]

done

but still making this dodgy lighting 😄

[cloud crypt]

but still should look bette

about the lightingissue i dont know whats happening there

[safe patrol]

I like the idea of modular mods using this method. When I re-upload my stuff I'll separate them all into different texture categories too to make replacements easier.

[sage wraith]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SpekrQrcfS-hD7z1-JemMRg44uUKcwVA/view?usp=drive_link
here you can test if it works with my textures if you want, the changed textures are not final yet, i have to make some crossover textures, but its to late yet^^

[sage wraith]

that would be great 🙂

[cloud crypt]

yeah, just use the mod.usda i shared and rename the bur_textures to your mod.usda

and then just add other mod.usdas

[spark moon]

yea

[sudden stag]

thanks for the help! @cloud crypt

[cloud crypt]

no problem

[sudden stag]

last question

Is there any possible that this could go as performance mode?

[cloud crypt]

turn on dlss and select perf or ultra perf

[sudden stag]

once again thanks sir!

[cloud crypt]

no problem

[jade briar]

Okay, so thsese files worked. I have no idea what's going on.

And I'm too tired to try to figure out

From now on, I'll send you my mod when I make changes, you'll combine yours with mine, and then I'll use them.

[elfin beacon]

||BURRITO IS DONE.||

[cloud crypt]

Ok, good to know

[slender sail]

i hope this fixes the url racing lights issues 🙏

[cloud crypt]

i did not have added lights there yet

[slender sail]

yeah i just noticed

[ember river]

Hey guys, sup
I'm a 10+ years game dev & illustrator and a big fan of NFSU2. I love what you've been doing. If there is anything I can do to help on spare time, I'm now unemployed and looking for stuff to put on my portfolio too 😉
If it is appropriate, I can send a link to my online resume. If not, I'll delete the message asap.

[tawny elk]

Do you do any texture work?

[ember river]

Yup, my major expertise in illustration is reallistically recreating the look or real life materials using PBR principles from a blank canvas

[tawny elk]

[sage wraith]

Hey, give it by the albedo texture a Colorspace Limitation or something Like that ?

[severe solstice]

rip burrito

[tawny elk]

If you wanna dip your toes, there’s a lot of low res textures that need some love. Like traffic lights.

[balmy chasm]

@ember river Lets start from simple. Do you use Photoshop?

[tawny elk]

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[ember river]

Cool. I work primarily with raster softwares like Krita, free open source alternative to PS which suits me on everything I need

[tawny elk]

Nice 👍 I can handle the conversion to DDS for ya then if you’d like, since it’s not implemented well in Krita

[balmy chasm]

@ember river Read this to get started

[ember river]

I don't have any experience with the softwares you've been using (Omniverse, I believe?) and how it works, but as long as we can share standard file formats and assets, we should be cool 😉
Also, if necessary, I can do some basic 3D modelling, texturing, animation, have a deep expertise with python, can create scripts to procedurally generate all kind of assets and so on

[tawny elk]

We don’t have any ability to do model swapping yet.

I use TGAs in my workflow if that works for you.

[ember river]

The DDS conversion thing will be sweet, have suffered from it in the past and would like for it to stay in my past lol

[balmy chasm]

@tawny elk Do you know if this standalone can export mimap exposure thing?

[tawny elk]

With command line yes

[balmy chasm]

Diffuse, Emissive, and Transmittance textures all need BC7 with --mip-gamma-correct.
Normals and Tangents need BC5 with --no-mip-gamma-correct.
Reflection-Roughness and Metallic need BC4 with --no-mip-gamma-correct.
First one can be done with this Textuere Tool Exporter. Others are present in chaiNNer

[jade briar]

Make me textures man. I'm fucking tired.

[tawny elk]

|| If you send me the tgas/png I can cover them for ya ||

[balmy chasm]

I have photoshop, no worry :D

[jade briar]

Finally. I can safely quit

[tawny elk]

[tawny elk]

The rise and fall of Burrito

[ember river]

Nice. According to chat GPT, it is possible to easily convert any image format to DDS using a simple python script

[jade briar]

Just use chainner

[tawny elk]

Pillow doesn’t handle the ones we need sadly.

||I tried||

[ember river]

Yup, this pyDDS one seems to be the charm

I'll try that one

[jade briar]

Here

You should use this. Probably not the fastest method, but the safest.

[tawny elk]

You can save multiple files at once in chainner btw.

[jade briar]

Ah

Finally

[balmy chasm]

Like I showed on my ss

[jade briar]

That's good to know.

[tawny elk]

|| I wouldn’t worry about converting the textures over to DDS btw, I think everyone here has some automated tool to do so already ||

[ember river]

Awesome. I'll focus on the painting and upscaling then

[tawny elk]

Would you mind if I DM you about the source textures? ||I don’t wanna break any server rules||

[jade briar]

Hey if you're actually serious about making textures, then I can give you one to get started with. I do appreciate all help.

[ember river]

Sure guys, I'm not sure for how long I'll be engaged with the project, but for now I'm free and would love to help

[jade briar]

I know. Many people have tried helping, and then lost interest.

[ember river]

I'm looking for my next job or gig as game dev or illustration/concept art and stuff, so while I don't find anything, I'm free to do some work

[jade briar]

Here's the texture, and where it is supposed to be used

Here's what I threw together in like 10 minutes. Try to use these colors.

Especially for the background

And no alpha.

[ember river]

Awesome. I'll be right on it. What is the thing with the gray bg, is it "chroma key"-removed in shader or what?

[jade briar]

Pretty much, yeah. White means that the glass is fully transparent, and dark means translucent.

If that makes sense

[ember river]

I see. Just trying to understand how all material data is encoded in the RGB channels

[tawny elk]

That’s for the translucent material correct?

[jade briar]

They said I was crazy.

[jade briar]

Yes.

[jade briar]

There's no fancy orm textures used here. Just that the glass works in a strange way.

[balmy chasm]

Why you do this in 3d?

[jade briar]

Because I'm stupid.

[balmy chasm]

omg

Make lines thinner

[jade briar]

I'm very comfortable with 3d modelling, so it was the fastest way to do things. For me.

[tawny elk]

The render uses a metallic PBR shader that has separate textures for each material property.

Uses RGBA for the diffuse and emissive, and Grayscale for the rough and metallic.

Normal maps are in a octahedral format, but there’s an easy way to convert it to that if it’s in DX format.

[ember river]

Alright, so wouldn't the gray background from the back window texture make the window look gray, as the albedo color? @jade briar

[jade briar]

Black = fully opaque, white = fully transparent

[tawny elk]

No idea, he’s using the transparent material which I’m not familiar with.

[ember river]

Oh I see. That is an exception

[jade briar]

This is what my texture ended up looking like

[jade briar]

Everything here is an exception. The whole workflow is wild.

[tawny elk]

||Translucent materials are computationally expensive so I wouldn’t encourage their usage.||

[ember river]

haha game modding in a nutshell lol

[jade briar]

ur mom is expensive.

[tawny elk]

I wouldn’t say so, it’s pretty straight forward 99% of the time imo.

[jade briar]

Okay. Make an object use the translucent shader.

NOW

[tawny elk]

I told ya how, you duplicate the translucent MDL shader in the materials folder, rename it, and then that on your existing material.

[jade briar]

Yes. What other sane 3d application requires that.

[tawny elk]

I don’t know. Most of these kind of large software packages have their own charm that you just gotta work with.

[ember river]

speaking of performance, is it possible to adopt other resolution aspects than the original ones while doing the swapping magic? So that we could snap them to powers of 2 (128x128, 256x256, 1024, 2048...)

[tawny elk]

Yes

[jade briar]

Strange.

[jade briar]

Once mesh replacements are possible, the uvs can be tweaked.

[tawny elk]

We don’t have to worry about fixed function limitations on the remix side

[ember river]

If the swapper together with DirectX still only cares for normalized texture coords, the UV of a mesh shouldn't interfere 🤔

[tawny elk]

You have to maintain the aspect ratio of the original texture till mesh replacements are possible (soon(tm)) and we can modify the UVs like Burrito said.

[ember river]

I mean, texture coordinates going from 0 to 1 on x and y, so changing the aspect ratio shouldn't interfere, unless some computations are done on the absolute resolution which breaks the UVs

Anyway, I can shrink at least one coordinate (like just width) to better accomodate the texture in memory and keep the aspect ratio of the other for now

[tawny elk]

I personally wouldn’t worry about vram usage that much. I don’t know the breakdown of the gpu memory space, but textures isn’t the biggest hog of them afaik.

[balmy chasm]

Like making 512x512 out of 128x512?

[safe fossil]

"normalized texture coordinates" ugh, yeah, that's uvs

[ember river]

Nope, if a texture is, say, 100x150, it could be upscaled proportionally to 170x256

[balmy chasm]

They're all 128/256/512 sizes

[ember river]

Oh ok, that already helps a lot then

[tawny elk]

Ohhhh you mean jumping out of using powers of 2 for resize?

[ember river]

Yeah like, at least the U/X coordinate would be in power of 2, so less wasted memory space

[safe fossil]

Im not sure what you're trying to say here, if what the saying is if you had a texture that was like 2:1 ratio and you changed the res squashing the image to an aspect ratio of like 1:1, then yeah it would be all squashed in the game

[tawny elk]

In theory it would work, I haven’t tried it personally.

||Since remix requires so much vram to run in general I don’t think anyone has been too concerned with memory space||

||At least besides avoiding 8k textures||

[ember river]

That is the thing with the UV mapping, it shouldn't change the image since UVs are normalized coordinates (doesn't care to texture resolution). In a 200x100 texture, a U coordinate of 1.0 would be the pixels at coordinate 200 and in a 1587x249 texture, 1.0 would be pixels at 1587. This is why changing the aspect ratio shouldn't change the final look of the texture for meshes specifically (not UI elements), unless some other shennanigans are being done by remix

Anyway, it doesn't cost me anything to adapt to use or not a power of 2 workflow, at least in sofwares like Krita, Photoshop and so on. If it becomes too much of a PITA we might as well just stick to proportional upscaling then 😉

[tawny elk]

You can summon the NV people if you wanna get confirmation on it. ||Might take an hour or a few days tho||

@zinc meteor pls help

[safe fossil]

Ok i brainfarted and misunderstood you

[safe fossil]

What, you want to use wack resolutions instead of powers of 2 or am i getting it wrong?

[balmy chasm]

hehe

[ember river]

The other way around. I thought the resolutions were weird, but EAWorld said they're already in powers of 2, so no problem

[safe fossil]

Yeah, idon't know of any game that doesn't use powers of 2

[ember river]

@jade briar Could you try this big buoy?

[safe fossil]

There's no point not to, you'd just be wasting mem on like padded boundries in dxt compression and shit and probably performance from hardware having to manage wack resolution

Though it's not like the texture samplers are the common bottleneck i guess

[ember river]

Yup, that is the point. Although it might be pretty much an overthinking aspect nowadays, it doesn't hurt to keep using the convention

[jade briar]

Okay.

[cloud crypt]

Whats happining here, seems like i missed smth

[jade briar]

Nah

[ember river]

And what about those yellow stripes in the asphalt. Can you find them so I can mess with them?

[jade briar]

Man's helping with textures.

[cloud crypt]

Ah ok nice

[jade briar]

suure

[cloud crypt]

Then i keep working on lights

[balmy chasm]

Now you have to say that 'NO'

[ember river]

Hi @cloud crypt , great work u've been doing btw my man

[jade briar]

These are all all the default road textures.

[cloud crypt]

Thx 🙌

[jade briar]

Project wouldn't have looked half as good as it does without hell making all the custom lights.

[balmy chasm]

Lets imagine you have a cross walk with 1.5m wide lines. Would you fix them to be more real scale?

[ember river]

Haha yeah, the cross walk, I can do that in krita

[balmy chasm]

Would you make them thinner than what we have in original(which is 1.5m)?

[ember river]

Should be just a matter of shinking the image to say, 1/4 of it's width and repeat 4 times to fill

[jade briar]

@ember river This is what I created with blender. Not the best, but I was running out of patience.

[ember river]

Awesome, great start already

[jade briar]

I was planning on redoing all of these. They don't really look that good. Maybe you can do a better job than me.

[balmy chasm]

Is it just squre texture but you repeat it for presentation?

[jade briar]

It is the final texture used in game.

[balmy chasm]

That long?

[jade briar]

Yep. Look at the textures in game.

[tawny elk]

||Should I just stop working on mine and abandon it? I feel like it’s just a waste of time anymore ||

[jade briar]

I was thinking that you can help make the lighting that the buildings use.

With all those lights baked into textures.

[tawny elk]

Can you provide an example? I likely already did them if I get what you’re saying.

[ember river]

Like this

[balmy chasm]

Good work. I like you using common sense :D

buritto and hell just speechless

[hearty delta]

burrito was aiming for july release the plan was set to fail (/completely made up)

[ember river]

@jade briar Sorry, what would the transparency channel be for those road textures again? Roughness? If yes, what is the mapping from 0 to 1?

[tawny elk]

Roughness it’s own texture.

0 being smooth and 1 being completely rough.

It’s gray scale, I don’t remember the bit depth tho

[balmy chasm]

8-bit

[ember river]

Hmm ok. I'm trying to make sense of that each of those textures mean, and almos all of them have a weird transparency that seems to be a roughness map

Like this

[balmy chasm]

Nah. That's just transparency

[ember river]

Oh, they can be ignored then?

[balmy chasm]

Well, I dunno. But you should set up Omniverse and game for sure to make test runs yourself

[ember river]

You're right, I think I can't go much further without it

[cloud crypt]

Nah bro, dont do that. You would be a really great help when you could add lights to building that are illuminated in the og game. And you could help me with head and rearlights. Would be very much appreciated. If you want i can share my lights with you

[zinc meteor]

Umm, help with what?

[tawny elk]

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[zinc meteor]

I'm not sure what the question is. power of 2 resolutions are always the best option - in general, anything else cost almost as much as the next larger power of 2.

[jade briar]

Don't use the transparency. It's used by the original game as specularity. I made my ouw roughness maps.

[ember river]

How are you sharing the USDs?

[jade briar]

You can take a look at the file I distributed. It's in the pins.

[ember river]

I see. Did you guys consider setting up a dev server to develop in realtime to test that live syncing thing they talk about?

[tawny elk]

We need big piles of money for that.

[safe patrol]

That's better done with diffuse maps

[tawny elk]

I could host an instance that allows two people to use it but that’s it.

[jade briar]

Uhh. The usda files are really finicky and break often. The only way is to make a shared omniverse project, but it's like $6k for each user.

[safe patrol]

Nvidia will sponsor us, I'm sure. ...right? 😉

[jade briar]

That'd be crazy.

[ember river]

Wow, ok. Is it some restriction by the tech or there is a self hosted alternative that we can do for "free" or something?

[balmy chasm]

Well, create some free sharable storage where eveyone can upload their .usda will be a great start

[tawny elk]

I’ve already done all that over a week ago for the most part.

[tawny elk]

$$$$ it’s meant for commercial usage.

[zinc meteor]

Shared live editing over OV is done via a nucleas server, and it's how Nvidia actually funds OV development.

For Portal RTX we actually just used a perforce server to share assets.

[jade briar]

It is a restriction in how usda files work. Only omniverse is capable of handling them correctly. The way we're doing it right now is that hellraven is working on his own file, and I'm working on my own. We then combine them.

[safe patrol]

And... you're gonna share that with us, because why not, right?

[jade briar]

mod.usda is my file, and mod_lights is hellraven's.

[ember river]

Oh good to know. I see. Maybe later it might become a viable solution for the project to use the Nucleus server, but for now, best we can do is a git/perforce repo like @zinc meteor said

[zinc meteor]

And yeah, some of our development had each artist using their own replacement layer, to minimize conflicts

[ember river]

How is the merging done? Could it be automated easily, say, with a python script maybe?

[safe patrol]

And I'm in the process of breaking down textures by category, so we'll have traffic.usda, streets.usda, headlights.usda, etc

[zinc meteor]

If you're all working on separate layers, than it's just a matter of which prims are edited in which layer.

the "merging" is just using USD's built in composition system

[jade briar]

Yes.

[safe patrol]

I've suggested a git repo and Adam has one he's set up for his own use but we haven't agreed on anything communal. I'm all for it personally.

[ember river]

Hmm I see. If is easy to parse, a post commit hook could trigger a merge whenever someone sends a change to their layer usd 🤔

[safe patrol]

There's python hooks in the sdk for Omniverse, and Kim has a script she's written that makes use of some of it.

[jade briar]

Well, we don't have that many people working on it full time, so doing things manually isn't that hard. Maybe if we have a lot more people working on it then, yeah.

[safe patrol]

I feel like setting it up now when we're relatively small and easier to manage is the right time to do it instead of waiting until there's way more crap we have to merge from so many different sources

That's just how I like doing things though

[jade briar]

I'd say set it up when The creator toolkit is out. We don't even know if our current usda files will even be useable.

[safe patrol]

Makes sense

[tawny elk]

Prob gonna close that one or at least make it private. I have a better way of creating them now after getting started with pathologic if I were to make a new one.

[zinc meteor]

git is good for text files, but it's not great for binary assets like textures - it's generally bad at handling really large files.

[cloud crypt]

@jade briar my mod usda is looking like that

[jade briar]

Well, yeah

It's weird

[cloud crypt]

why weird. basically its an empty mod.usda with 2 seperate layers

[jade briar]

Your editing layer is gonna be the one you're working on.

Oh wait

[cloud crypt]

i know

[jade briar]

Yeaaaaaaaahhh

You have 3 layers

That's one way to do it.

[cloud crypt]

"hotswap function"

for example someone different made texture, then i just put his textures in there

and the mod.usda itself only have to be edited in 1 line

[balmy chasm]

Also I'd like to suggest calling textures according to their material name

[cloud crypt]

yeah, so like road etc

that what buggula said

[balmy chasm]

Like 'mat_5E8BFED9A80F0450_emissive'

[safe patrol]

Or if we keep a standard naming convention, say <hash>_diffuse.dds, then no USDA editing is even needed. Just copy in the new texture

[cloud crypt]

ah, you meant that

[cloud crypt]

its not that easy

[safe patrol]

Why not?

[cloud crypt]

i tried it that way

only got black roads

[balmy chasm]

But I mean exactly 'mat_<hash>_diffuse.dds'. This is the format any Substance user will come up with

[ember river]

Just installed Create and opened the mod.usda (and mod_lights too) but nothing is shown, I can see UI gizmos for some sphere lights and stuff but I'm kind of lost. My goal is just to see road meshes with the textures that I'm remaking

[balmy chasm]

You need dedicated capture for that

[cloud crypt]

yeah

[safe patrol]

Well it only works if the USDA already has everything in it to start with, but then if you want to update it all you have to do is replace the texture file

[balmy chasm]

Ah, right

[cloud crypt]

basically what burrito has to do is rename all his textures and dont use the captures anymore

because in his files there are still captures needed

[safe patrol]

Yeah that's a no-no for server rules

[balmy chasm]

He can just copy used capture files to his texture dir

[ember river]

Well think that is a lot to take right now. I don't even know what is a capture exactly, no idea where to begin with. The 10 videos series tutorial by NVIDIA seems to cover own projects, not opening old games and stuff so I'm trying to link infos from one side and another

[safe patrol]

No we're not allowed to distribute original assets

[cloud crypt]

nah, he cant. these are EAs own things

[balmy chasm]

But they're generated by us

[cloud crypt]

nope

[safe patrol]

Not the captures, those are original assets

[cloud crypt]

we would be copyright claimed if we continue to distribute them

[balmy chasm]

So upscaling will do and that's it?

[tawny elk]

I can walk you through most of it if you'd like.

[safe patrol]

Upscaling or completely replacing them is ok

[balmy chasm]

I'll stop on upscaling :D Because we basically use captured textures to bump up roughness slider or emissivity

[ember river]

Oh that would be awesome, really. Let me just try by myself a little longer, I just realized I had a lot of captures on my game folder from previous usages of the mod and manage to open my 240sx in the garage. I'm getting closer 💪

[jade briar]

I mean. If you want, you can just send me the textures, and I can implement them. Otherwise, I can also help you. I have spent multiple hours annoying Mark with annoying questions regarding the whole process.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1108266959763685458/1116154187332464691/Setting_up_Editor.mp4

Also this

Tutorial was made by

uhhhhh

[zinc meteor]

I actually recommend keeping mod.usda empty, and just putting all you replacements in a series of sublayers. Not a big deal, but it does make it easier to do stuff like turning off any layer at will, or testing them out in different orders. helps with identifying when there are conflicts, as an example. If you have changes in mod.usda, they will always have prioirty over the changes in any sublayer

[safe patrol]

Even though upscaling isn't ideal, in order for me to legally distribute functional emissive maps, for example, I have to provide an upscaled diffuse map. It's illegal for me to provide the original diffuse map, but remix won't pass through the original asset if I want to add a normal, rough, emissive, or metallic map. So you end up with just a black object because remix is looking for a new diffuse map and can't find one.

[tawny elk]

Kim

[cloud crypt]

thats what i did

[jade briar]

yes.

[zinc meteor]

you can change the existing setup by saving your mod.usda as a new file, deleting the sublayers from it, and making a new mod.usda that just includes all the layers

[jade briar]

So. What if. Hypothetically. I made all my asset replacements in the main layer.

[cloud crypt]

they overide everything

[jade briar]

Oh you already answered that.

[safe patrol]

I put in a feature request to pass the original diffuse map into remix, but it's not how things currently work.

[balmy chasm]

But you can simply drag-n-drop them into your mod.usda layer

[cloud crypt]

@jade briar in the mod.usda are the others linked up. so basically you can rename your current mod.usda to mod_streets_bur and replace theone i include here. Should work fine that way, but still pls make a backup

[jade briar]

There's more backups than I can count

[cloud crypt]

XD

[ember river]

I was going to do that, but realized that I need to see the textures in place to understand how they're used, this is why I need to open in create. I'm still going to just provide the final PNGs directly to you

[jade briar]

I think kim's tutorial is the best thing. The one I posted above.

[ember river]

Is there something we can do about the scene camera being upside down, sideways, etc.?

[tawny elk]

In OV?

[balmy chasm]

Capture scene with Scene Z-up setting enabled

[tawny elk]

Not really, it doesn't get put back into the game afaik, so you can do what ever you'd like with it in OV

[jade briar]

It's just remix messing up the camera settings. The fov is inverted. Just remove the "-"

I usually delete it.

Hover around the scene myself to look around.

[balmy chasm]

I used this camera to render a shelf in career garage because it's FOV is 'special' :D Nothing more other than that

[ember river]

idk, everything is upside down still, the game created camera and the "Perspective" camera too

anyway, no big deal

[jade briar]

Who was working on car lights?

[ember river]

@jade briar did that back window texture work?

[jade briar]

I'm adding it right now.

[safe patrol]

HellRaven. I have emissives to add to his - I'll get those to you later today

[jade briar]

This is incorrect.

Dimensions should be in multiples of 4

Also While you're at it. Make the brightness of the dark parts around 0.5. Otherwise, the glass gets too dark.

[ember river]

I did that single coordinate snapping thing to preserve the aspect ratio. Only the width is power of 2, while the height was proportionally upscaled to keep aspect. I can change it if you want and make it square 1024x1024

[jade briar]

It can be any multiple of 4. Otherwise it just won't work.

[ember river]

Alright then, I'll stick to it. Just stopped for lunch now

[jade briar]

Sure. Also don't forget the brightness of the background. Currently, It's a bit too dark.

[ember river]

Hey @jade briar , you said you have created your own roughness material for the roads. Tell me more about it. I'd like to understand the level of freedom we have regarding materials. Can we write our own shaders and bind any textures to textures slots as we want?

[jade briar]

We basically have the bare minimum of pbr. So no fancy shaders. Regular b/w roughness, metallic.

[jade briar]

And color diffuse, and emmission.

[ember river]

Got it. Makes sense, it has to be something compatible with what the raytracer understand in the pipeline, can't go too crazy on shader effects

[jade briar]

Yeah, the more complicated the shader, the lower the performance.

[ember cobalt]

mm just so you're aware, it's not using it quite yet. still trying to figure it out

right now it's just annoyingly complex string manipulation

[jade briar]

@ember river I added your texture. It looks good. There's some bugs that I need to sort out regarding the car's interior. The rest looks beautiful. I'll also have to adjust the darkness of the rest of the windows.

[ember river]

Nice. From the pics is hard to see the lines, but seems cool

[jade briar]

The orange lines are a bit too dark. I don't know why. I'll have to look into it later.

[ember cobalt]

shiny

[jade briar]

Also if you ever feel like doing the roads. Make them brighter than mine. Mine are look wayyy too dark in game.

[jade briar]

That's glass for you.

[ember cobalt]

never heard of a car made entirely of glass 😛

[jade briar]

That's a problem for mark to help solve.

[cloud crypt]

i was working on traffic car lights,
and count buggula had made emissive maps for them

[ember river]

Sure, I started with the most frequent ones. Here is a WIP

[jade briar]

Oh yeah. This looks great. I'm gonna work work on the road roughness map, because it doesn't look that great with all that repetition.

[jade briar]

Right. Also I wanted to say. Can you maybe try to add lights to lower LODs of the traffic's vehicles? The pop in is extremely close to the player, and doesn't look good at all.

[cloud crypt]

well for me they dont pop in, but i can try

[jade briar]

They do pop in when the closest lod loads in.

Because only the closes version of the vehicle has those lights attached to it.

[cloud crypt]

ok, i will see what i can do about that

[ember river]

About the roughness map, I have an idea in mind. If you look at the texture, it has those wheel lanes, regions in which wheels usually run over more frequently, that makes the road smoother, and they kind of draw a bump map where darker regions are slightly elevated while the wheel lanes are a bit lower due to traffic pressure

also, the paint of the yellow stripe also produces a bumped region that would be nice to mimic using normal maps

should be easy to produce using blender nodes + baking, only the wheel lanes probably need to be hand painted in the mesh in Texture Paint mode

[safe patrol]

I've noticed the same thing for emissives. The LOD doesn't use a mipmapped version of the original texture, it appears to have its own map. Either that or it's something with the way remix handles LODs. I'll try and see if I can make a capture of some of the traffic cars with their far LODs so I can experiment with adding emissives to them. Getting rid of popping would be good

[jade briar]

Problem here is that the textures tile. A lot. As soon as you get on a long road, you can see the textures repeating all the way down. That's why I was kinda thinking of stripping away a lot of the unique details like the puddles, and making most of the roughness map homogeneous.

[jade briar]

I think each unique lod stores its own lights. Ones that are attached to it. Materials are shared as long as they use the same texture.

[safe patrol]

Is this your latest lights?

[cloud crypt]

yes, its lights only

[safe patrol]

right but emissives aren't lights. I would think the emissive map would be applied to the other LODs too, unless those LODs are using an entirely different map

[jade briar]

Probably.

[safe patrol]

but if the LOD counts as an entirely different item, remix might not recognize that they're related to each other.

so it's just the original diffuse texture and nothing else, because it's a different object

so we'd need to put an entry in the maps to apply to every LOD

I'll bet that's what's happening, but I'll need some time to test and I don't think I'll have time today

[jade briar]

Yes, but if you go and take a look in #general-remix, I asked mark about the car body and interior sharing a material. They're completely separate geometries.

[safe patrol]

and the LOD is probably its own geometry too

I'll have to test whether it even has the same UV map

[jade briar]

So why do they not share the material.

[safe patrol]

because remix doesn't know that they're related to each other. They're just two different shapes

and so they'll have different hashes too

which means the material for the closest LOD won't apply to one further out. Different object, different hash.

[jade briar]

But then why these two are sharing a mat?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028444668918235197/1121910843710390282/image.png

Different objects, right?

[ember river]

Looking different already

[safe patrol]

that is....a very good question. I have no idea, I'm just saying my theory. I need to test.

[safe patrol]

awesome, but I've got to admit I sort of grew fond of the overly dark roads and I'm gonna miss them

[jade briar]

Oh yeah. A lot brighter than before. I can actually see now.

[ember river]

Here is my progress so far, @jade briar . If you wanna take a look. I'm too thinking about it being too bright. Looks a bit like concrete roads rather than asphalt 🤔
I have to go now, will be back later or tmrw so I'll be adjusting that then to compare

[safe patrol]

it does look more like concrete

[jade briar]

Alright. I really appreciate the help. It's also time for me to sleep

3am

[jade briar]

Basically need to find a balance between super bright like the original, and extremely dark like my custom ones

[cloud crypt]

so basicylly concrete vs fresh asphalt... let me see

should be more greyish like this

[jade briar]

Yeeah

[jade briar]

Also the lights in this tunnel are supposed to be warm
#1103377328530276403 message

[cloud crypt]

they are around 6000K right now. i can make them a bit warmer like 5500

[jade briar]

Just compare to the actual lighting in the original. Looks like 4000-4500

[tawny elk]

@safe patrol am I able to use these in my own distribution? With attribution ofc.

[safe patrol]

absolutely

I honestly don't even care that much about attribution. As far as I'm concerned these are pretty much public domain. But I certainly would appreciate a mention if you use my stuff somewhere.

I don't have a huge online presense, I don't have a ton of followers on my youtube channel, etc. Not something I care about.

[tawny elk]

Still need to give credit to your hard work

[safe patrol]

which I appreciate.

I just don't require it.

Reminder: if you want to use all these, grab HellRaven's mod.usda and the sublayer section should look something like this (depending on which packs you use)
subLayers = [ @./mod_lights.usda@, @./traffic.usda@, @./signs.usda@, @./headlights.usda@, @./windows.usda@, @./game.usda@, @./tires.usda@, @./lights.usda@, @./tail_lights.usda@ ]

oh and these all just extract into gameReadyAssets folder

[severe solstice]

🫂

[tawny elk]

This is how I have mine setup

[safe patrol]

and yeah if you know how to use omniverse and want to do it there, go for it.

ok that's it for now. I've got a couple more categories that are heavily WIP that I need to touch up a bit better before I share them.

[safe patrol]

I think there may be a syntax error in one of my usda files. If someone finds it before me I'll re-upload, otherwise I'll get to it when I get to it. Wife is feeling sick so I'm on kid duty.

[ember cobalt]

i don't see any errors

[tawny elk]

I think the emissive value for the bayview sign is a bit high for my settings

[ember cobalt]

lol

[tawny elk]

Ope it's some bug

Not sure what it is

[safe patrol]

That's hilarious. Actually I think I noticed something similar happening when I was using your lighting setup. I didn't see it happen with HellRaven's

[tawny elk]

Weird considering my exposure is set really low.

Maybe a bug with volumetric fog?

[safe patrol]

I have no clue to be honest. Maybe @zinc meteor knows?

[tawny elk]

I haven't narrowed down what caused it yet so

More tweaking

[safe patrol]

Hey I just identified something else that needs an emissive just from that picture!

Also I'm jealous of your headlights

[tawny elk]

I need to go throught and redo my mesh associations

Here's my ⭐ new and improved ⭐ repo https://github.com/adamplayer/Underground2RTX

I need to get the textures into an archive or something to make it all work

[tawny elk]

I wish the denoiser gave it sharp shadows in realtime, it doesn't look too good in motion.

[safe patrol]

By the way you can use "his" for me

[safe patrol]

Still better than nothing, which is what I've got at the moment

[tawny elk]

Gotcha 👍

[tawny elk]

Once we get proper light shaping, I can really make them look good.

I might get even more crazy and just add a few light sources to kind of shape it myself

[cloud crypt]

With my mod.usda you should be able to do your own lighting mod. Poeple can then decide wich tjey prefer

So pls keep up your work mate

[safe patrol]

Exactly. By making everything modular like this people can pick and choose their setup

[tawny elk]

I mean mines all just in a lighting.usda file so its modular entirely.

[cloud crypt]

Same for mine

[safe patrol]

And now HellRaven's is too

[tawny elk]

I still need to tweak my exposure to get out of the flat/"raw"/ungraded look.

[safe patrol]

That's my reasoning for separating my textures into different categories, too. You can easily chose one road style or another without messing with everything else

[tawny elk]

[safe patrol]

And it just helps my work process to have things a bit more organized

[cloud crypt]

Good thing that idea came up to me xD

[safe patrol]

You can pack everything up with the textures and distribute the archive as a release version

[safe patrol]

I had been thinking about it already but I couldn't remember where I saw the instructions for nesting usda files like that so I was really glad you brought it up and provided an example

[tawny elk]

Yea, I just wish it was continously integrated.

[safe patrol]

Yeah, I'm sure there's a way to automate that, but my git-fu is not that strong.

[ember river]

If you're talking about merging USD files, I've mentioned one possible solution for now which maybe could be explored in the future

[safe patrol]

this is our man, here, see?

hahahaha check out the brick scaling inconsistency. I don't know how I didn't notice this before.

[tawny elk]

I think that's the only spot that it happens tbh

Funny that it's on the main screen

[safe patrol]

ooops I misidentified a brake texture as a tail light. In my defense, it's all red.

I'll fix that.

[tawny elk]

I mean if it stops hard enough they can become like a tail light.

[safe patrol]

yeah for now anyone driving with that particular brake will just be burning their brakes a bit.

identified and fixed an oops here too

ok here's the fixed tail_lights without melting brakes

[tawny elk]

[safe patrol]

Nice. The whole tail light shouldn't be emissive though. The white part only lights up for reverse.

And usually half of the red part is reserved for brakes

I should install NFSU again to help with some of the emissives there

[spark moon]

that would be great...

[safe patrol]

Probably won't be able to until Monday or Tuesday. Have a busy weekend planned. But I can totally do that

[spark moon]

no worries...

[safe patrol]

Especially now that I have my workflow figured out a bit better and I'm getting better at the whole process in general

[spark moon]

can any1 explain texture replacement how to do it properly as didnot replaced it yet

[spark moon]

ok updated to HDRI Sky

[elfin beacon]

Looks good.

Looks like dawn.

Right?

[balmy chasm]

Brick texture there is warped all around. And there is nothing you can do about it... Just unreasonable UV stretching even though unwraping there is super simple. Also do you know if it is used anywhere else in the game by any chance?

[balmy chasm]

Road marking on the sides. Basically lines are thinner, spacing can be different and line angle is sharper

[spark moon]

no ...in the pic brightness is little high...adjusted it now

[elfin beacon]

I wish there can be an option like in asseto corsa where you can manually select the time.

From sol planner.

[spark moon]

this is a way older game...

[elfin beacon]

Yeah but it's not in the game , it's a mod.

But i think it will be way difficult to do that.

[jovial quartz]

Hey guys and gals i got into tinkering with RTX remix a while back when it was released in portal but never had any luck getting things going but i saw the screenshots of NFS and i gotta ask is it playable currently?

[sage wraith]

so something is wrong with the chainner albedo converter bc7. if i export it with that compression, some textures will be gray ingame

[balmy chasm]

As it's been told above, you shouldn't export Albedo and Emissive with chaiNner

[spark moon]

depends on grahics card and yea with dlss on

[sage wraith]

okey and what can i use to convert from png to dds?

the count of mipmaps are important i guess?

[jovial quartz]

Yeah i got an RTX card and wild i gotta see this

[balmy chasm]

this

[balmy chasm]

Are you able to specify the count?

[jovial quartz]

@spark moon is RTX remix currently a drag and drop solution for NFS?

[sage wraith]

So i cant enable gamma correct

[spark moon]

u can get the files from pinned section and its not completed ....work in progress

[jovial quartz]

@spark moon Thanks big time

[sage wraith]

In Substance yes, in Gimp and chainner not

[balmy chasm]

You mean Substance Designer?

[sage wraith]

Yes

But there i cant select bc7

[balmy chasm]

Eh. Don't specify it. Ideally it should be 6 min

[sage wraith]

what do you mean

[balmy chasm]

6 mip levels minimum. But ideally you don't specify it at all

[sage wraith]

Ah ok

And when the albedo habe different mipmaps then the Normalmaß for example it doesnt matter?

[jovial quartz]

@spark moon last question does it require any specific game version ie: 1.2 vs 1.4

[balmy chasm]

Should not I guess. You can play with rendered mip levels in your config actually

[sage wraith]

Ok

okey now it works 🙂 then i will export the albedo directly as dds out of Substance 🙂

so how big can i be with the
file storage size?

[balmy chasm]

Uncle and Hell agreed on 2k/4k textures everything, so their budget can go over 10Gb. I stopped on 'minimally required' sizes, starting from 512 to 2k res. This way I plan to go much lower, 1Gb max ideally. So it's up to you basiccally

[sage wraith]

for all textures or per texture? 😄

[balmy chasm]

For all project

[sage wraith]

so i guess my textures is to large

i need to compress it

wich compression can in use in substance? bc7 isnt avaible

and without compressen, only the albedo has 256mb

[balmy chasm]

5Mb per material(including all types of maps) average, someting like that

[balmy chasm]

Regular 8k 32-bit map...

[sage wraith]

puuh so im far away from that

Is that the correct way to Export the Final texture?

I use it since yesterday so im new in it😅

[balmy chasm]

Never used Designer. I work in Painter only

[sage wraith]

Oh Okey

But i guess the export mechanism is the same

[balmy chasm]

We have no .dds export in Painter at all :D
And textures are exported through 'Export Textures' tab

[sage wraith]

Oh ok 😅

[sage wraith]

Ok i understand

[balmy chasm]

@jade briar Do you have captures of this part of the city?

[jade briar]

I don't think so

why

[balmy chasm]

Just want to ask if one material is present there(the one used in main menu)

[jovial quartz]

jesus christ guys

yall are wild

Never in my life

[jade briar]

Never in your life.

[hasty plume]

Holy….

I need to get this installed already

[jovial quartz]

exactly what i said

[tawny elk]

You can look up the exact dimensions and colors for road markings in the MUTCD

[tawny elk]

The spacing and angles for that depends on the speed limit

[tawny elk]

Does anyone have a game map with labels of the areas?

[balmy chasm]

https://www.scribd.com/doc/263364208/Peta-Map-Need-For-Speed-Underground-2#
This?

[tawny elk]

Perfect

I want something to mark what I’ve gone through.

I’ll test out my vectorization skills and share it with y’all

[balmy chasm]

Adam, do you have it?

[tawny elk]

Likely. Not at home right now though.

Getting tea and cake

[balmy chasm]

3B9F97E19F027AE
Can you look for this material please? It is present in main menu, but texture is really weird

[trail quail]

tasty

[tawny elk]

#offtopic message

[cloud crypt]

Are you british or why tea?

[tawny elk]

Cause it’s good

[cloud crypt]

XD

[tawny elk]

This one?

[balmy chasm]

Right. I want to know if it is used anywhere outside of main menu

[tawny elk]

I don't think so. I only have it from the capture from the main menu

[balmy chasm]

It is used on a single wall with a door way and texture gets cut like that 👍

[tawny elk]

The corner on the main menu?

[balmy chasm]

Ye

[tawny elk]

Strange that it's used only in that one spot

[inner fable]

hey there

[tawny elk]

👋

[inner fable]

my game stopped launching after I installed the mod through the pinned tutorial

my gpu doesn't support neither RTX mode nor DLSS

but I've read on the net that I only need the Vulkan support for RTX Remix

[tawny elk]

No you need RT support

[inner fable]

rip then

[jade briar]

Vulkan RT

Where did you read just vulkan.

[jovial quartz]

I just want to thank you Lot for whipping this all up yall are the shiz definitely the best way to play NFS U2

[tawny elk]

I forget how to do three point lighting

[jovial quartz]

Decent perfromance boost on the latest DLSS library

[tawny elk]

Thoughts?

[ember river]

You talking about the car material?

[tawny elk]

Lighting

I'm not great with materials tbh

But I do lighting design for a living

[plain stag]

Good

[tawny elk]

Less shadowing

[ember river]

Looks pretty good. One idea I'd suggest is to work with 3 point lighting, so a key light outlines the details, a back/rim light adds a little bit of a dramatic mood with a contrasting color (draws interest in the outside of the scene focus), and a fill light "glues" everything nicely 🤔

[tawny elk]

I was trying a plain three point for a bit but I felt like GT7s setup had a bit more car orentation to it so I tried to match it

I might switch to using rect light sources instead of spheres though cause mimick soft boxes

Rect lights are broken aren't they?

Oh my second attempt at three point seems to be doing better

[graceful heron]

Guys, any possibility of this mod running in the future on an RTX 3050?

[tawny elk]

Thanks for the inspo

[valid geyser]

yes

should work on all rtx cards

[ember river]

You're actually right, the setup you're going for feels more like a garage setup

[graceful heron]

I tested it recently, but the performance is pretty bad even with Balanced DLLS 😦

[jovial quartz]

30 to 40 fps

[tawny elk]

Yea, the three point is good base. But the GT7 shows off the paint a lot better

[jovial quartz]

?

i can drive like 40 miles then this any idea?

[ember river]

I see, interesting

[tawny elk]

There's a little bit of weird shadowing going on but I don't think I'll improve that much next attempt

[graceful heron]

this is normal ? sorry for many questions

[balmy chasm]

Oh, I also posted my car lot setup some time ago. It is more environment oriented. And I usually just put physically real lights, like those which can actually exist in the scene

[tawny elk]

I couldn’t get the car looking real nice with using the actual lights in the car lot location. There aren’t any that I can find.

[balmy chasm]

Exactly. So only front lights which are out of camera view. And ambient back light for cancelling shadows

[tawny elk]

Ah I gotcha.

I still have to do more with the environment to that scene but it’s getting too toasty to trace the paths.

[jovial quartz]

https://youtu.be/4FN5CTbJ5L4

[balmy chasm]

I made a few changes, but you see the idea

[jovial quartz]

Impressive stuff ill be keeping up you lads and keeping this installed cant wait to see what you guys do next take care lads

[tawny elk]

Ah, I like how that shows the supports.

[balmy chasm]

Sometimes I'm impressed why so much environments(in original game) were built in garages even though they all not lit up

[tawny elk]

Yea there’s way more detail in a lot of scenes than expected.

There’s spot lights all over the place that I don’t think get used in the game originally.

I’ll probably do some more of the shops after it cools down.

[balmy chasm]

Just look at that. It is not even on UDIM.1001

[tawny elk]

They sample that texture a lot in the main menu scene I think

[balmy chasm]

Sure. Green outline highlights mesh with this material

[tawny elk]

Guess not

I thought they just used the little bit of brick on it for the other areas.

What’s the material for the brick for the brick on the other side of the corner?

[balmy chasm]

It has 1 material for most of the brick walls and around 5 materials for grafitti wall parts

[ember river]

Hey guys, good news.
I've just written a python script to help converting back and forth between PNG and DDS - BC7, BC5 and BC4 texture formats. It adds Windows' context menu actions, so you just "right click a PNG file > Make DDS - BC7" and it generates a file with the "same name.dds" beside the original, and works from dds to PNG too.
It relies on NVIDIA Texture Tools' nvtt_exporter.exe

The scripts are quite simple so any pythoneer should understand easily
There is a README.txt with instruction on how to install, and likewise, is very simple and straightforward

[balmy chasm]

Did you set mipmap exposure thing for BC7?

[ember river]

yup, according to what've said yesterday

[balmy chasm]

Oh, that's what Mark told us :D

[tawny elk]

He’s got receipts

[ember river]

Oh sorry, I've confused the thread then haha

[tawny elk]

Might wanna post this in the community contributions

[balmy chasm]

Also does it work for multiple files at once?

[ember river]

I think so, since windows "instantiate" one run of the nvtt_exporter.exe input_image.dds -o input_image.png command for each file in the selection context 🤔

[balmy chasm]

The last feature could be identify file name part to use specific preset on it. Like automatically apply BC5 to [bla-bla]_normal.png files

[sage wraith]

So i guess this looks Fine, if the carlights working

[ember river]

Well it doesn't work. For some reason the files get corrupted, idk, the game crashes. So we need to convert file by file. But still, two clicks away is much better than having to open couple image editing tools

[balmy chasm]

Well, it won't be faster than chaiNNer bulk export then

[ember river]

Nice one. That would require we using conventions for file types. Actually, now that you've mentioned, I think it would be better if, instead of specifying the conversion type (BC7, 5 or 4), we speficy the texture type (diffuse, normal, etc.)

[ember river]

I see, it helps for me since I'm frequently dealing with a single texture in Krita, saving the PNG and converting to dds to test in game

[cloud crypt]

Dude, uninstall hdreflectins!
HDReflection plugin isnt needed, costs performance and mirrors everything

[balmy chasm]

Yeah. As example, I export around 20 maps all together from Substance and bulk convertion really helps me out this way

[jovial quartz]

Well shiii

[jovial quartz]

Will this fix the issue i was having?>

I just uninstalled just curious

[ember river]

Hmm I could easily adapt the script to work in directories, so a custom context menu action for when clicking in a directory could run the script to loop on every file and convert them all 🤔

[tawny elk]

If it’s anything to note, you could use a batch file that calls the Python script to run for a file or folder you drag onto it.

[balmy chasm]

Also there is no option to convert DirectX normals to Octahedral, right?

[jovial quartz]

So is the mirror supposed to not be working?

[tawny elk]

Nope

[cloud crypt]

Not currently

[jovial quartz]

weird works with HD reflections mind you a few issues

but without HD performance ups like almost 10 fps

[cloud crypt]

HD Reflections cause Performance problems and mirrors textures
So pls dont use it

[jovial quartz]

My mind instantly goes to why is it working with the texture replacement and not original

also can barely drive anywhere now

Remix seems to completely lose what its doing

[cloud crypt]

Ugh, not again... turn off Restir Gi in lighting settings

Alt + x to open menu

[jovial quartz]

fixed

and yah i used the old remix

[cloud crypt]

Old remix isnt supported anymore

[jovial quartz]

Im just meaning like knowing how the menu works

[cloud crypt]

Ah ok

[balmy chasm]

And here's my fix 👉

[ember river]

Well, I'm not sure, the nvtt_exporter shows a lot of options when you run it's help manual (nvtt_exporter.exe -h). Worst case scenario, it could be incremented using numpy (a python lib to manipulate vectors and matrices) and make the computations by hand.

[tawny elk]

Mark has a Python script for it in the contributions

[jovial quartz]

Yah i wont lie im a little confused there seems to be quite a few graphical effects not present compared to the HD reflections mod ie: headlights and such

[tawny elk]

You can add them yourself if you’d like

[balmy chasm]

@ember river #general-remix message
Here's his message

[jovial quartz]

Im just curious is all, id definately love to start messing with it unfortunately i think my knowledge is rather limited in these regards and i dont know if id be able to render any success, and i likely doubt anyone wants to get into the nitty gritty with a hradware guy but ill definately tinker around and see IF i can come up with anything in any shape or form

[tawny elk]

I have the Peugeot and RX7 headlights and tail lights added to mine, but haven’t gotten around to the rest.

[jovial quartz]

So is this already available or is it something ill have to whip up

[ember river]

Oh, I haven't found it. My searches aren't yielding any result in the #1095534398134300682 channel 🤔
Btw, just posted the scripts there too. If it is redundant, I'd like to take a look, see if I can contribute or just remove mine 😉

[safe fossil]

This looks like just a big ass diffuser straight above the car

[jade briar]

Rim, fill, main. With path tracers, you don't even need fills a lot of the time. Since the gi will do that automatically for you. That said, I don't recommend 3 point for vehicles. Vehicles require some very unique lighting built specifically to show them off.

[jade briar]

The game shouldn't be installed in the c drive. Or any other drive that may require admin access

Man I completely missed several hours of chat

Been playing GTA all day

I mean

ALL

Day

[tawny elk]

There’s a circular soft light and a few key and fills around I think.

[tawny elk]

It’s on my repo

[tawny elk]

I’d have to dig around for it. It’s somewhere on here.

[tawny elk]

I think mine came out pretty decent.

[safe fossil]

Nah, just a single huge area light above

Doesn't really matter circular or rect, it's more about the area size of it

The reflection could be either or

[jade briar]

I have some professionally made setups in blender. I'll show them later.

[tawny elk]

I’ll have to go load up the game and take a look

[hardy maple]

does it take a while for the first time to boot?

[jade briar]

Should boot instantly

[hardy maple]

then the only thing that might cause it, is amd gpu in my pc(drivers probably)

cause i re did the installation process 2 times already to make sure

[tawny elk]

It's prob building shaders

[hardy maple]

the cpu usage came down by 40%
game launched in no screen with only sound💀

[severe solstice]

💀

[novel frigate]

I am so sad i can't play this with my RTX 3070 😦 I have 35-45fps with DLSS Balanced, and the ghosting is disgusting.

[jade briar]

F

[tawny elk]

Rip

[tawny elk]

You can use a lower quality preset. That should guve some gains

[novel frigate]

I am good with the 35fps, the problem is the DLSS ghosting. But without DLSS even on the lowest quality settings i have only 15fps.

[tawny elk]

Turn off AE

[novel frigate]

What is AE?

[tawny elk]

Automatic exposure under post processes

Sorry Eye Adaption is what you wanna turn off

The ghosting comes from the back of the car getting under exposed

[novel frigate]

Without Eye Adaption i barely see anything on the screen.

[tawny elk]

Increase exposure in the tonemapper?

[odd dome]

i like the progress gg

but wont greenish hue street lights look better

with a lil greenish dark sky

[novel frigate]

Thanks. 🙂

[severe solstice]

you need 4090 for a 20 years old game

💀

[safe patrol]

I use a 3060 ti and it works just fine. But you gotta fiddle with the settings quite a bit - this isn't at a point of "drop in and play" yet

[cloud crypt]

if you want i send you my rtx config which runs whithout ghosting

but seems turning of AE and increasing Tonemappung to 5-10 fixed it

[cloud crypt]

since the lights are reused everywhere it is impossible for us to change that. Atleast for the moment until mesh replaxements are possible

[safe patrol]

the most frustrating part of this whole process for me is sitting and scrolling through endless textures trying to find the one in the scene right in front of me that I need to work with

I wish you could mouse over things in the scene or click on them to go right to the texture in the list

[cosmic mist]

heyo is it possible to turn on frame gen in this game? i can't find the option? (nfs ug2)

[ember river]

I'm new here, but isn't what Omniverse Create allows you to do? AFAIK you can drive until the scene you want, save a capture to a USD and open that scene in Create and browse the materials and it's used textures

[jovial quartz]

Whereabouts would i discover this

[safe patrol]

Yes but I don't have the video ram to run both a remix game and OMV at the same time and it's super annoying and cumbersome to have to quit one, launch the other, etc etc.

And often all I need to do is find a texture to tell remix to ignore it or set it to particle or something like that - which I really don't need Omniverse for

[ember river]

How do you guys have been converting stuff from RGB normal map to octahedral?

[ember river]

Asphalt Retexturing WIP
Going for a kind of wet, kind of dry asphalt look so it fits both clear and rainy weather nicely.
Any thoughts to improve?

If there were a way to change roughness based on weather conditions it would be perfect

[toxic topaz]

gtx 1060 6gb ☹️

[ember river]

Only RTX Capable GPUS can run the mod, sadly. I myself am struggling a bit with a 3060 non-ti here

[toxic topaz]

oky 😢

[steady flax]

Me with intel hd graphics😎

[balmy chasm]

When I thought of combining both rainy and dry road, I came up with an idea of making sides of the road more wet and 'puddly'. Like if it's lower ground where most of moisture would stay for longer

[balmy chasm]

The key to saving up a memory is simply making vewport smaller. I run game at 1080p with dlss Auto and it saves me up to 1Gb of VRAM. And my OV viewport is almost the same 1080p size. This way I get just enough memory to run both(unless I change some random texture and it refuses to update in the game)

[sage wraith]

I Really Like it, but there Are weird lines in the roughness 🧐 And Some Small puddles would be cool (i know it isnt realistic, but it looks cool in this Game^^)

[spark moon]

this looks really good

[odd dome]

Hm not even via some postprocess filter? Does the software allow that? Maybe reshade might work here

[ionic prawn]

The headlights anda traffi lights are fixed?? and the car textures?

[balmy chasm]

@tawny elk Check this out. Stairs is part of the brick wall material. And this is its UVs(white color)

[plucky tapir]

Roughness looks great on that second and third

Much prefer that level of wetness i reckon

[jade briar]

#1103377328530276403 message

Roads could be a little wetter. They look a bit too dry for a place where it rains for 5 minutes, for 5 minutes.

[jade briar]

That's not how it works

[jade briar]

That's how it is in my textures. But unfortunately, it doesn't work that well.

[jade briar]

It would be perfect, but it's not possible. Not yet.

[balmy chasm]

But you have a lot of puddles spread across the texture either. It can be a smooth transition from almost dry-no puddles to more wet-some puddles

[jade briar]

That still wouldn't work. Have you seen the multi lane roads?

[balmy chasm]

Nah. All I know is from your posts here

[jade briar]

Ok

[tawny elk]

Ah, that’s what I was thinking about

[tawny elk]

I think the scale feels a bit off. The cracks and the wear tracks seem really big to my eyes.

[jade briar]

Here's a bunch of presets from an addon I downloaded. All are made specifically to show off vehicles.

[tawny elk]

This one right here

UV Map Projected

Might make the rest of the garage darker

Much better

[balmy chasm]

What is going on on the ceiling?

[tawny elk]

No idea

I used it as the mesh to add the lights and it got all wonky

[balmy chasm]

Well, not with custom material though

[tawny elk]

Even with custom materials off it's broken

[balmy chasm]

I have all your 58? lights in my setup and it works well after all

May be some lights from main menu haven't culled off?

[safe patrol]

I'll give that a try

[tawny elk]

Nope, there's nothing there. It's lighting the corner of the mesh for the ceiling or something

[balmy chasm]

Also you might want to apply reflective material to car, so you check how reflections work with your light setup

[tawny elk]

Next stop the "Car Specialties Shop"

Which is the only canonical sprinkled building in the game?

[tawny elk]

The stripe lighting prob won't look good unless we get proper paint materials

[jade briar]

Do we have clearcoat?

What's thinfilm?

[tawny elk]

No idea

[jade briar]

Doesn't look bad

[tawny elk]

Might be better suited for the paint shop than the specialities

[balmy chasm]

It can be used for materials, such as multitone car paint, burnt chrome or the reflective coating on a beetle

[tawny elk]

It doesn't seem to have an effect in game though

Might need to change a setting or something

There it is

[jade briar]

Oil spil. The shader.

[balmy chasm]

The second controll over Thin Film should be IOR

[jade briar]

They had the time to make photorealistic oil spill. but not clearcoat

[jade briar]

I love denoising artifacts. My favourite gender of all time.

[tawny elk]

Also the thin film applied to way more textures than intended

[balmy chasm]

What do you mean?

[tawny elk]

Watch the shadows in this one: #1103377328530276403 message

[tawny elk]

_Just for you _

[balmy chasm]

May be that's just reflected light. You have strong upper light only there

[tawny elk]

It's also visible on the rear windsheild and such. I'd imagine it's just not a fully fleshed out parameter as of now.

[tawny elk]

Not liking how this comes out

[balmy chasm]

Because you have black car on the bright background? And black car basically means you can't see what you put on your car?

To be fair that's just metalic shader eating all the light. Make it just roughness

[ember river]

You think? Seems decent to me. Took some special care to make them look at scale with the reference board I built 🤔
Also, the weird lines are patches that rise from asphalt being built in patches IRL, so i tends to break more easily, which adds a bit of a character/backstory (sort of) to the road

[valid geyser]

idk looks rad 🔥

[tawny elk]

Oh I was talking about everything but the car, I just threw a sphere above the car for the time being.

[jade briar]

0 roughness and .2 metal works best for me.

[tawny elk]

Ohhh it's the FOV stretching that I saw, my B. I was looking at it on my phone and didn't notice you had a wide FOV.

[tawny elk]

That's a nice gloss

Much better than the weird metal look I had

Is this a sconce or a bug zapper? I'm thinking speaker

[balmy chasm]

Speaker is a good guess

[ember river]

Made them slightly wetter now. Much more than that and it starts to compromise compatibility with dry weather. I was trying to avoid the "wet roads" meme that graphics mods tend to fall for, but I'll add some puddles and effects later and make 2 versions, so you guys can playtest them and decide which one fits better 😉

Here are the dds as of now if you guys would like to take a look. I didn't touch the crossroads nor the pedestrian lanes yet.

[tawny elk]

Imagine

Omniverse

But

With proper Quad Viewport

[jade briar]

I'll wait until you make those two as well.

[jade briar]

Wobbly UV

[tawny elk]

They seemed to have lots of fun with UVs per @balmy chasm

[balmy chasm]

🥲 I don't want to talk about that

[tawny elk]

Rip the denoiser

If you stand real still, it looks neat

[dusty grove]

More glossy = better

[elfin beacon]

Because the theme is glossy.

[ember river]

Maybe if the car material were smoother the path tracer wouldn't struggle too much to solve since the "BRDF" would have only a few random directions to bounce rays off surfaces, sort of speak. My guess

The lighting is looking awesome anyway

[tawny elk]

How long is this fluorescent tube

[balmy chasm]

I'm done here. And textures are fixed(where it was possible) 👍

[tawny elk]

God damn

Weird. If I go between Ultra and High presets for remix, my FPS increases like 40fps

[ember river]

This is looking so awesome

Is there a reason why we haven't done 3D model swaps yet? I mean, is there a restriction or is just a matter of someone taking the quest to explore it?

[balmy chasm]

Not implemented yet

[tawny elk]

Might go back and use this light setup for the body shop. I think the multiple rects kinda destroyed the denoiser too much.

[tawny elk]

Updated my shop/garage lights in my repo: https://github.com/adamplayer/Underground2RTX

[balmy chasm]

Have you gone through all shops?

[tawny elk]

I believe so. Unless there's some I forgot, which is likely.

Garage, Main Menu, Graphics, Perf, Body, Speciality.

[balmy chasm]

I remember Dynamo stand

[tawny elk]

Oh the performance tuning shop

I'll get to that one later today

[sharp sand]

hi

random question, is it possible to replace car models with the ones from newer games?

say nfs 2015 or heat

[tawny elk]

Not yet

[vestal drift]

Frame gen is currently disabled on remix

[sage wraith]

so i added a texture for the crossing if someone want it

[cosmic mist]

Thanks for that! I was not aware

[jade briar]

@tawny elk are your shop lights a part of the full map lights that you added, or are they separate?

[tawny elk]

Part of the full set.

I should probably separate out my lights into separate ones.

They’ll be at the bottom of the lights usda I suppose

[cloud crypt]

Are you german or why Zebrastreifen?

[sage wraith]

yes

[cloud crypt]

Ah nett😅

[sage wraith]

lol ^^

[open atlas]

I still don't get why you call crosswalks zebra stripes

[tawny elk]

They look like zebra stripes on the pavement?

[spark moon]

how can i dupcicate stuff in ov?

[dense girder]

hello!, is there any guide to install or download?

[spark moon]

go it

[tawny elk]

0,0,0

Unloads the exterior world and loads in just the garage

What do you mean? It only loads one garage/shop at a time.

No they're not loaded at the same time in Underground 2 afaik.

I haven't used a debug camera to check but frame captures don't show any signs of that

Not surpised, seems like there's a lot of cut content that was left in the game.

[pearl pike]

in Game development someone told me that is better to hide things than delete them and broke things on the way

[ionic prawn]

bro here have a bug with a gama

[tawny elk]

I think the pc demo has a diff map as well

[tawny elk]

Go on…

Is that the one with the wild highways?

Maybe one day I’ll get around to remixing the beta map mod

[ionic prawn]

intro teh game the gama bug and the gama go high before i close the game my pcc continues with problem

[tawny elk]

Yea but that would’ve cut into most wanteds profits, and EA would never allow that

[tawny elk]

Yea, my brightness is still being standardized. Gonna take a bit to get it all figured out.

Most wanted defiantly cut into U2s dev time.

[mossy pelican]

i like the way that things have become

i would love a bigger ug2

but would hate a smaller MW

or even no carbon at all

3 smaller great games

i'm satisfied with it

[open atlas]

no it doesnt

[sage wraith]

Hi
Emissive texture is grayscale too Right? (White=glow, black= no glow)

[balmy chasm]

nah, RGBA. You can specify emissive color with that

[sage wraith]

Oh Okey so i can use the albedo as emissive map?

[balmy chasm]

Yeah, but consider gray value as a mask

[sage wraith]

so wich one would be the correct one now?

[balmy chasm]

Left

[sage wraith]

ah okey good

and convert setting?

bc 7 too?

[balmy chasm]

Just as Albedo

[sage wraith]

okey perfect thx 🙂

[sage wraith]

It Works thx 🙏

so i added headlights to the 240sx, is it possible to add it for the other tints of light too? or isnt that possible at the moment?

[balmy chasm]

Even though I wouldn't recommend applying such unrealistic maps despite cases where light source is actually shaped like blured spiky sphere

[sage wraith]

oh ok how woud you do it?

[balmy chasm]

Just as circles, that's it. Following the exact shape of the light source

[sage wraith]

ah ok

so thats the result with my emissive map now

[balmy chasm]

Deserves some light placed over them

[sage wraith]

yes i will add a lightsouce later

[sage wraith]

so i added a lightsource

[spark moon]

can u guys tell how to use debug mode i forgot ?

[balmy chasm]

?

[spark moon]

no nfs debug camera

[balmy chasm]

Free cam?

[spark moon]

yea

[balmy chasm]

In dev settings

[sage wraith]

so light for 240sx is done

here its only the 240sx for now

[balmy chasm]

You mean each and every type of 240sx configuration?

[spark moon]

i am on ug1 i can see in debug option dont how to use it

[sage wraith]

no because i dont know how i can handle it

[spark moon]

how did u eluminate backlight?

[sage wraith]

so for example i added front lights and when i change the color ingame, the lights are glowing too

[sage wraith]

i added lightsource

[spark moon]

nevermind leave it

[sage wraith]

ah ok i tested it and wenn i change the light parts it wont glow anymore

but when i add the lights to the main body instead of the single lights, i would work? i will try it