NFSU2 (Need For Speed Underground 2)

[vague sparrow]

@jade briar that arrow needs to go fr

[cloud crypt]

got my hands on this

[jade briar]

I tried to set it up so it doesn't show up in reflections/gi, but I failed.

I'll ask Mark for help later.

Don't like to ping the poor guy. He's always getting ping by some guy.

[cloud crypt]

cant you mask te arrow as particle? It shouldnt get reflected then

or as ui

[jade briar]

hmmmm

[vague sparrow]

I rarely do it unless I have some questions regarding remix as whole and it's Future

[jade briar]

But it'd still show up in gi

[cloud crypt]

uhm ok...

[jade briar]

huhh

[cloud crypt]

more lights, we need more lights
used cylinder Lights for it (and yes uncle Burrito i made it size of light source)

[jade briar]

No. We need to fix lights behind that car.

[cloud crypt]

this too, yes

[jade briar]

ah nice.

[jade briar]

Did you make the lights slightly orange?.

[cloud crypt]

no, somehow when the rain enters the game gets a orange tint

why ya asking?

[jade briar]

No like how most street lamps are indecent

That's probably the wrong word

[cloud crypt]

you mean i should make the lights warmer?

so like 5500 kelvin instead of 6500

[jade briar]

yeah yeah

like this

but not AS warm

This image is kinda exaggerated.

[cloud crypt]

ok, but modern streetlights are cold, i will find a good balance

[waxen bison]

rtx.comf

[tawny elk]

Those are 2100k

[jade briar]

Yeah it is exaggerated .

[tawny elk]

Nah that's accurate HPS is basically only yellow light so it looks weird.

[cloud crypt]

5500K look nice

[desert trout]

Underground 2 is not exactly set in super modern times

[cloud crypt]

but maybe i prefer this (5000K)

[desert trout]

Personally I love yellow street lamps

Very cosy

[tawny elk]

I wonder what the WB is set to by default.

[cloud crypt]

6500

[tawny elk]

Ah

That's why

You'd wanna set it to the car's headlights color temp if you're shooting for accuracy. Something like 3000k to 4000k

[cloud crypt]

and now i use 5000, but i think for the highway and the high power lamps i still use 6500

this is 4000

[tawny elk]

On the lights?

[cloud crypt]

streetlights yes

[tawny elk]

Ah, they look pretty warm cause it's fixed at 6500k WB.

[cloud crypt]

5000K is my personal favorite, what do the others think?

or still 6500 atleast some light xD?

[tawny elk]

2100k with a WB of 4000k is my take. But I'm a lighting designer so it's going to be accuracy > art direction

[cloud crypt]

let me see what it looks like in OG game

[tawny elk]

I honestly don't remember what the OG game looks like

[jade briar]

Okay this looks really good, but don't make every lamp 5k.

Make sure to color them appropriately .

[cloud crypt]

in OG game its an inbetween 6000K and 6500K

you see better with my reshade (no color thingys, just Tonemapping)

[tawny elk]

I'm not the most confident on the metal halide cause that's pretty fancy to have in your street lights but maybe Bayview has the money.

[cloud crypt]

3000K looking like this in remix

[tawny elk]

That feels right for the WB.

Street lights are 4000k if you want that modern look.

Only place I’ve seen 6500k is Xeon headlights and surgery rooms

By the way, you do what you want, I’m just letting ya know where things are in the real world

[cloud crypt]

In my hometown we have LED Streetlights and they are that white

[jade briar]

🤓

[jade briar]

Yeah but warm street lights are ✨AESTHETIC✨

[chrome meadow]

LED streetlight are bugged

[tawny elk]

Fun fact: HPS lights, the super warm yellow ones, are nearly monochromatic. You only see shades of that yellow color. Nothing else.

[tawny elk]

Cheap LEDs do that. They lack any filters or lens.

[jade briar]

I think I saw that in a video

[chrome meadow]

Efficient but crap rendering

[tawny elk]

They were one of the most efficient sources up until a few years ago when LEDs finally surpassed them.

[cloud crypt]

for now i will only place lights. I can do the color temperature after that

[chrome meadow]

Good for certain plants too 👀

[tawny elk]

Still haven’t found the culling

[cloud crypt]

keep trying

[jade briar]

aight. You got it. Unlike adam who still hasn't figured out the culling yet

[tawny elk]

Where is it hiding

Maybe it’s been between the couch cushions this whole time.

[jade briar]

Very well could be.

[chrome meadow]

Maybe, it's like a black hole

[jade briar]

I lost my vape between those today.

[tawny elk]

Hold my beer I’m going in

[chrome meadow]

Miller Light?

[tawny elk]

The only “light” beer I drink is called garage beer

It tastes like ||beer||

[chrome meadow]

and it's not light

[jade briar]

I drink. Water. For. HYDRATION.

[tawny elk]

It’s like 95 cal for a pint so it’s lighter. But alcohol is pretty bad for you so I don’t drink that often anymore. Gotta maintain my figure.

[chrome meadow]

was a reference to the reaction at the crazy ad they made btw

[tawny elk]

Ever drink straight off a hydrant?

[jade briar]

Don't think that would be too great of an idea.

[tawny elk]

It’s deliciously high pressure fresh.

It’s also how they get that wet look in bayview.

[jade briar]

ah

[chrome meadow]

A dream world, everything wet

[trail quail]

ok.

ok.

[jade briar]

ok.

[tawny elk]

Could someone send me a screenshot of how far back the culling occurs?

[tawny elk]

I wanna see if I can find it just by looking for the value of the radius or something.

[trail quail]

Bro idk who invited me on this server

Sorry for the shitposting

[jade briar]

Shitposting is good.

Things get too serious otherwise

[trail quail]

How can i mod this into NFS

[jade briar]

seems a bit random.

[tawny elk]

Are you able to line it up with some poles or something that has a fixed distance in between objects?

[cloud crypt]

what the F

[jade briar]

Small objects or poles die pretty much as soon as they leave the camera.

[tawny elk]

Ah so it’s really low then

The forward distance is 6000 (I think) units by default.

So we might want a value of in the single digits.

I’ll save that for my next deep dive. There’s only so many places it can hide

[jade briar]

Adam taking "deep dive" for like 15 minutes every sitting.

[cloud crypt]

well, he did a deep dive for what, 9 hours or more?

[jade briar]

Also the light intensity contrast in this game is very bad. Some areas are wayyyy too bright and some areas are too dark.

[cloud crypt]

put this obver every game and it will look the same

[tawny elk]

It’s what having a bunch of responsibilities does to a mf

[tawny elk]

That’s what the exposure stuff is for. It’ll try its best to keep things within a certain range.

[jade briar]

yeay

[jade briar]

I'm just fucking with you.

[tawny elk]

This morning I was at for like 3 before I had to go do errands

[thorny pawn]

The lights are probably being culled earlier due to them being billboard textures, or they might have some special handling because they represent a bloom/lensflare effect, so there would be something that has been explicitly done so that those flares get culled as soon as they're offscreen

I hope that makes sense

It's just an idea/assumption but maybe it helps

[velvet rivet]

culling would most likely be able to get remedied with a script mod

[jade briar]

Neat

[cerulean summit]

I'm new to all this remix stuff but have worked with 3d for a while. Just wondering if there are any specific limitations or reasons the textures have such a high contrast in roughness.
Its like the road is either pure gloss or super matte with a very small transition between.

[jade briar]

The answer is pretty simple. It's because I'm stupid.

[cerulean summit]

Oh

[ember cobalt]

whoever's handling adding the lights for this game, can you please show me what you're doing?

[cerulean summit]

If I knew how any of this worked, I would craft some textures for you guys XD

[jade briar]

But if I think about it. Larger puddles can stay on a dent in the road for quite some time. Even if the rrest of the road is completely dry.

[jade briar]

Any help is appreciated.

[jade briar]

@ember cobalt

[ember cobalt]

i mean in omniverse

[cerulean summit]

Yeah. If it's currently raining, the whole road will be a varied level of roughness.

If it's finished raining, most will dry up except the puddles which leaves you with the higher contrast

[cerulean summit]

What are the limitations? What maps can be used?
Colour and roughness are obvious but how about normal/bump, specular, etc?

[jade briar]

D/r/n

[jade briar]

In the game, it rains for a short period of time every few minutes, so having small puddles and a little bit of wetness on the rest of the road made sense to me.

[ember cobalt]

the puddles don't blend very well with the road, i think that's the only problem with them

[cerulean summit]

Fair. It was more of a nitpick (I get kinda obsessed over details). A higher contrast also exaggerates tiling textures too.

Ultimately it's an artistic choice

[jade briar]

U don't blend very well with the road

[cerulean summit]

https://tenor.com/view/supa-hot-fire-rekt-burn-popopo-im-not-a-rapper-gif-4910167

[ember cobalt]

i mean, i'm a human 😛

[jade briar]

Tho I could try redoing the roughness map, since every road texture uses the same roughness and normal map for optimization and sanity.

[ember cobalt]

the edges of the puddles just need to blend in a bit more really

it looks good otherwise

[jade briar]

Hmm. I'll see. That's a problem for future me to solve.

Tomorrow me

Was working on some textures for the mountain area, but had some technical issues, so retired for the night

[cerulean summit]

I could give textures a shot if you like, if you don't like em I don't mind, the fun part is making them tbh

[jade briar]

I'll see if your statement change when you have to make textures for 10 different asphalt types all with different markings. But they also have to blend in with each other.

[cerulean summit]

Uhhhh, how exactly do they need to "blend"

[jade briar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1103377328530276403/1110150579751235674/image.png

[cerulean summit]

FELLOW BLENDERER!!!!

Nice

[tawny elk]

Where substance boys at

[cerulean summit]

Use that too

Not as well tho

[ember cobalt]

mm

[jade briar]

So roads are devided into flat planes for each lane. Different lanes have different road markings, which have different textures, but they all need to be seamless.

[tawny elk]

Everything is getting culled hard. If you go to the hood or bumper views I think the rear wheels get culled.

[ember cobalt]

i just do all my texture work manually and with chaiNNer, lol. i need to expand my toolset i guess

[jade briar]

So I use a base markingless asphalt textures, and then make a big ass node group for procedural markings.

[cerulean summit]

So the underlying asphalt texture is the same? That has to tile? But the road markings on top are different?

[jade briar]

Underlying asphalt textures does tile perfectly.

[cerulean summit]

That answers that question. That sounds exactly how I'd do it too so simple enough

[jade briar]

Well, yeah working with nodes is pretty simple. It's just that when setups get too big, maintaining them gets pretty hard.

[tawny elk]

Ain’t nothing wrong with that

[jade briar]

Like a puzzle. Simple ones are fun, but when it gets too difficult, I start to fume.

[cerulean summit]

Trust me. I'm the master of poorly maintained massive node trees. I've hit blenders hard limit a few times XD

[jade briar]

Uh huh

Well then. Go ahead.

[tawny elk]

I’d do more texture work with y’all once I get this culling figured out

[cerulean summit]

For the record, it's not a good thing. They're a mess

[jade briar]

But what textures are you going to be working on?

[jade briar]

You better figure it out. This project is dead if we can't get rid of it.

[tawny elk]

[cerulean summit]

I'll have a look. I know how to do the texturing part but not the actual modding and remix stuff yet so it might take me a bit to figure out which textures are which

Anyway, I'll stop clogging up the feed

[tawny elk]

I know how to do lighting

||And that’s about it||

[cerulean summit]

Unless... Up to you, would you be up to sending across the blend files with the textures you've got @jade briar?

[jade briar]

Uhhh

It's like

[cerulean summit]

Don't have to

[ember cobalt]

you debugged the sims too 😛

[jade briar]

Almost 5 am

[tawny elk]

He’s embarrassed

[jade briar]

So prolly later

[tawny elk]

So much spaghetti nodes

[jade briar]

Nuh uh

[cerulean summit]

Oh, shit. Yeah, no worries 😅

[tawny elk]

I’ll relapse and dive into the madness again one day.

Figuring out the culling in this is a stepping stone to the sims.

[jade briar]

Also I have a feeling that the funny Indian man from sog might make a video on this mod.

[jade briar]

Everytime u do something on the computer. U learn.

[tawny elk]

What if I made a video on this mod but it’s just me alt tabbing between changing memory values and the game.

The true RTXRemix experience

[jade briar]

I could make a video about jumping between 4 softwares and 5 different folders open in explorer just to make a single texture.

[tawny elk]

That’s peak

[ember cobalt]

i could make a video of running a game and it crashing for an hour until i figure it out

[ember cobalt]

but really, i know this pain

[ember cobalt]

how did you learn to do that? or rather, what values to look for

[tawny elk]

Uh I used the reverse engineering project to see what function was a render one. And then keep looking for something that bypass a lot of the function

Theory is now that it’s happening before or outside fo the render3d function.

[jade briar]

This whole process just makes me want to install win 11 so bad. Just so I can make use of the explorer tabs. It's a pain to find the right window from the 5. And if I missclick

[tawny elk]

Sims 2 made me learn the hard way of reverse engineering. And then wouldn’t even let me make any progress.

[ember cobalt]

i need to learn how to modify games in hxd myself

there's been many times i've needed it

[jade briar]

Same

[ember cobalt]

the tab system isn't as great as it looks

i end up getting frustrated with it and using separate windows again

[jade briar]

Huh

Strange

But I wanna be mark's apprentice.

[ember cobalt]

can you give any tutorials you'd recommend? i really want to learn this

[ember cobalt]

lol

[tawny elk]

Why the hell can’t you drag them onto other windows

[thorny pawn]

at this rate of progress with large language models i hope we can soon just give windows copilot a binary and ask it to patch the assembly and explain everything lol

[tawny elk]

There’s 2 hour tutorial that shows you the basics on using ghidra in combination with x64dbg. https://youtu.be/ZmPArvsSii4

[tawny elk]

ChatGPT isn’t that good with ASM unfortunately.

It kind of gets it line by line but doesn’t understand the big picture.

[ember cobalt]

thanks. i usually don't learn well from tutorials that drawn out unfortunately, so what tools do you use? i'll try to find a tutorial that's more suited to me

[tawny elk]

Ghidra, or IDA Freeware, x64dbg, and cheat engine for memory scanning if you’re looking for a changing value.

Ghidra is OP af. It’s an NSA tool.

IDA is a bit cleaner with its disassembly, but I find the interface more confusing ngl.

I wish there was a release of U2 that had the symbols left in like Sims 2

Was there every a macos release of U2?

[ember cobalt]

there's a cut debug log. that'd have been nice

and it's not of help, but apparently the gamecube version of this game shipped with debug symbols

[jade briar]

The game has a debug menu that is accessible by messing with the mainframe. I've only seen mods that unlock the car debug menu, but not anything else. It might have a rendering debug menu somewhere on there.

[open atlas]

check for a prerelease build. we have symbols for ug1/mw/carbon/ps/uc/hp10/mw12/rivals i dont see why ug2 woud be any different

[jade briar]

There was a demo

[tawny elk]

I checked the demo but nothing there afaik

[jade briar]

hmm

I guess

You gotta do it the hard way.

[tawny elk]

[jade briar]

Now get to work

[vague sparrow]

Damn

Muta dropped in and made a video that momentarily features UG2 rtx at the beginning in his new video

[jade briar]

Yo. I didn't even bother checking because I thought he'd be working on a dedicated video for it.

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxcSmhrWxhqCgPg_xsAWB0co2rIE-tvUcj

[vague sparrow]

Sneed's feed and seed

Formerly chucks

[jade briar]

mmhm

[jade briar]

honestly.

I was waiting for a 15 minute rant about how wet roads does not mean good graphics.

[tawny elk]

[tawny elk]

Wet roads bad.

[jade briar]

I mean.

It's pretty cliché now

[tawny elk]

Waiting for someone to ask why the car paint doesn’t look like gran turismo 7

https://youtu.be/rYZaMTl2nSA POV you show someone RTX Remix before it’s complete.

[jade briar]

The bozo in #general-remix

[orchid grail]

I just installed rtx for this, and everything seems to be working, besides that ground textures are missing. Did i install it wrong or is that an issue right now?

[vague sparrow]

turn down your video settings

[orchid grail]

in game, right?

[vague sparrow]

#1103377328530276403 message

like set here

[jade briar]

Disable road reflections.

I should edit my tutorial.

[orchid grail]

yeah working perfect now, thanks

[jade briar]

np

aight I fixed the tutorial.

[wispy drum]

Good morning guys. Wow put most settings to low in the game is the way that remix is working in this game? I have everything high in the photos I upload yesterday. Thank you for updating the tutorial

[jade briar]

Putting things to low shouldn't cause graphics to look bad in remix.

Most of the texture and geometry settings are high

eg world and car detail

The rest are settings specific to game's original looks so they cause issues with remix.

[vague sparrow]

that is due to replacements

[cloud crypt]

I always turn everything down except model and world lod. Light glow also turned on

[cloud crypt]

Not only, world lod not only defines roads

[vague sparrow]

i think world detail should be high

[jade briar]

yes

[wispy drum]

Yes didn't knew that so will get even better graphics with these settings. Yes I understand so I think something is wrong in the photos I upload due to high graphics. Will try later to put low most settings. The tutorial is in the pinned is more and more detailed excellent

[jade briar]

I keep updating it to cover things that people may have problems with.

[wispy drum]

Yes it is excellent. Add if you can the correct order that needs to be install. Dxvk remix isn't in the tutorial I think I missed that one zip yesterday and messed up

[jade briar]

You don't really need the latest dxvk remix in order to play.

Runs fine with the release version.

[vague sparrow]

ah yes

.kkrieger

[jade briar]

I remember playing that

[vague sparrow]

ofc you do

https://tenor.com/view/higorgies-monkey-dress-monkey-gif-25589886

[jade briar]

Well, it doesn't work on modern windows. No I'll have to restart my computer.

nvm. I killed it in task manager

[vague sparrow]

it runs on your ram so....

@jade briar you felt earthquake?

[jade briar]

YESS

It's still here

I thought I was going crazy

[vague sparrow]

bruh my whole monitor went boinky

so i went outside

[jade briar]

I think it was more intense at ur side

I just felt my chair moving a little

[ember cobalt]

where do you guys live?

[jade briar]

But yeah I got kkreiger to work

[jade briar]

Pakistan

[ember cobalt]

ah

i don't think i've met anyone else from there, so that's cool

[ember cobalt]

eek

[jade briar]

@vague sparrow

[vague sparrow]

hmm

[jade briar]

It wasn't that bad

[jade briar]

@elfin beacon

[elfin beacon]

RTX

[cloud crypt]

🤣

We are getting all the fame now, UE5 Remake is history🤣🤣

https://twitter.com/OrdinaryGamers/status/1662534956457885702?t=SoxdXX-Gl04As46yWN2yiQ&s=19

Mutahar (@OrdinaryGamers)

Need For Speed Underground 2 with Nvidia RTX Remix.

Currently a massive work in progress but what's here is insane. old games getting visual upgrades like these to come.

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Twitter · May 27, 2023, 7:03 PM

But many in the comments say its fake. For example: With a change of Road and tree textures you can fool everyone...

@tawny elk

[elfin beacon]

[jade briar]

nice

[stray orchid]

hi all!
"Download RTX remix from this link (https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/releases/tag/remix-0.2.0) and extract them into the main game folder next to the exe
Download the latest version of remix bridge from this link (you have to be logged into a github account in order to download) (https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/workflows/build.yml) extract these files where you unpacked the other zip file. Replace any files if prompted.
Download the zip file at the bottom of this message, and extract the files in the main game directory. Replace any files if asked.
If you want to run the game at larger resolutions, then download the widescreen patch from this link (https://github.com/ThirteenAG/WidescreenFixesPack/releases/tag/nfsu2), and install it. IMPORTANT rename "d3d9.dll" in the main game folder to "d3d9.asi"
Run the game"
but game crashes, should it be smth special, like version?

[cloud crypt]

You're 5 days late mate, we already pinned these

[cerulean summit]

I think they're confirming that they've followed those steps. Problem is it crashes

[cloud crypt]

Then they did not made it right

[cerulean summit]

I'm finally getting around to setting it up myself but I've got the same issue. Updating my drivers now in case thats the issue

[cloud crypt]

1. Install widescreen fix
2. Install remix 0.2.0 to game directory
3. Install bridge to game directory
4. Install dxvk to trex folder
5. Install the files from uncle buritto to game directory
6. Rename dinput8 to dsound

And you are ready to go

[cerulean summit]

thats a different setup, no?

I'll give it a shot

Sorry if this is an obvious question. What's dxvk?

[cloud crypt]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/5094526795

Download the release one at the bottom

[cerulean summit]

oh 🤦‍♂️ . Thanks

[cerulean summit]

got it working, thanks. Can finally work on textures

[jade briar]

well, good luck

[cloud crypt]

Uncle Burrito, youre textures are missing the parking lots😅 just wanted to mention that

[cerulean summit]

@jade briar what are you using to convert textures to the right kinda dll?

[jade briar]

Like texture format?

[cerulean summit]

yeah

sorry, dds

[jade briar]

game>blender, or blender>game?

[cerulean summit]

either

blender doesnt support that dds format

[jade briar]

Well, partially

But you're right

[cerulean summit]

roughness and normal are the only ones that work

[jade briar]

So this is for game > blender

[jade briar]

yes

[cerulean summit]

oooooh, that tool is exactly what I've needed for ages!

[jade briar]

So I'll give you a quck walkthrough of the texture conversion precess

[cerulean summit]

thanks

[jade briar]

So this is for roughness maps. Take note of the highlighted setting, It is very important.

this is for normal maps

[cerulean summit]

yup, the specific dds format is what I was about to ask for 👍

[jade briar]

And this is for base color.

Here's the file so you can quickly do your conversions.

[cerulean summit]

thank you

[jade briar]

And

A few tips.

If you want to make a texture that is not completely square, i.e same size on length and width, try to import a single piece of object that uses that texture, and use it to bothj make, bake, and compare your textures.

Very important that you compare the textures to the original

[cerulean summit]

I assumed if I just matched the aspect ratio of the image it'd be fine?

[cloud crypt]

All working with blender... me doing it with photoshop😅

[cerulean summit]

I would be doing this in substance, but I dont have the commercial license so I can't

[jade briar]

Like how I'm doing it here.

Things should always line up, or you'll have issues in game.

I also highly prefer that the new textures look as close to original as they can.

[cerulean summit]

I'll try my best. As I said earlier, I dont mind if you guys dislike it, if I get it wrong don't hesitate to let me know

[jade briar]

A lot of the textures are going to be 64x512. So use the objects in this blender file to make textures for them. new textures should be 452x3620. You can make square textures 4k.

https://mega.nz/file/LUUHhAoC#PTUdWYWvIlbS0ou7F-11YCtXoBfwruql4miZMuochlU

Also since you are using the image name output as the image name input in chainner, make sure to bake them with proper names.

idk if you want to add them in game yourself.

[cerulean summit]

I've got remix set up and everything so I should be able to get them in game myself. We'll see

[jade briar]

Then don't forget to set your output folder in channer to be this>texture folder name

And uh.

Name your folders. Don't want things to get out of hand.

[cerulean summit]

yeah, I'll keep it simple

[stray orchid]

still crashes 🙁

[jade briar]

Reinstall everything. Read the pinned instructions carefully.

[stray orchid]

could someone upload all nessessary files in one file, maybe?

[cerulean summit]

update your driver, go back through each step in order. Also, the remix bridge link is a bit vague (for the sake of surviving updates to bridge), make sure you're using this https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/5095209923

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/pinned-gif-25836817

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[cloud crypt]

Your instruction is which get them failing

[vague sparrow]

Time to use UHARC to compress textures

[jade briar]

Final textures aren't that big.

Only a few mb

[cerulean summit]

I never checked but I assume there's a requirement to have an RTX card too. @stray orchid it may be obvious but what gpu are you using?

[stray orchid]

3050 ti mobile

[jade briar]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[cerulean summit]

should be... fine

[vague sparrow]

I'll come back when you guys make nfs ug2 a 40gb game with remix replacements

[cloud crypt]

Haha xD

[jade briar]

A difference between Playable. And starts uo.

[cerulean summit]

I'm on a 2060 super so as long as you dont expect it to run well or look good, it 'should' work

[jade briar]

That will for sure happen.

[vague sparrow]

Now add RTX sound

[jade briar]

Oh, before I forget. The way I get my puddles is that I use textures that come with a depth map. I then use the depth map to control the intensity of the normal map (to make flat spots for puddled up water), and I use a second color ramp for roughness control. You can check the blender file I provided for reference.

[cerulean summit]

yeah, I got the actual texturing side down. Just gotta make it match the game

[jade briar]

hmm. What texture is this?

[cerulean summit]

what I'm using as a base is from polyhaven.com, its CC0 licensed so it should be good

[jade briar]

Yeah, but. Where does it go in game?

[vague sparrow]

Did you try AI assisted PBR generator?

[jade briar]

[cerulean summit]

this is the base asphalt. I gotta put the road markings and stuff on top for the individual game textures

[jade briar]

Man's fr making textures that I've made already.

💀

[cerulean summit]

I can do something else?

[jade briar]

I mean. tbh, wouldn't it make more sense to work on something untouched?

[vague sparrow]

https://github.com/texturedesign/texturize

[cerulean summit]

I got involved cos I had that query about the road roughness remember? if we're happy with where its at thats fine

[vague sparrow]

This looks promising

[jade briar]

Here's the thing. I can edit it because I've got the node setup.

I would appreciate if there's help with more untextured objects.

[cerulean summit]

ok, sure. Sorry for the confusion. Any suggestion for specific textures or should I have a look around?

[jade briar]

I'm starting out with drivable surfaces. There's a lot of untextured asphalt in the drift and streetx maps. Should be pretty straightforward because those don't have a lot of markings.

[jade briar]

Easy as that.

Could be tweaked further. What do you suggest?

[cerulean summit]

I can infinitely nitpick anything but I'll try and keep it to a minimum. you might want to add some noise (make sure it tiles) to break up the repeating pattern you've got from tiling square textures to fit the rectangle

[jade briar]

Yeah makes sense.

[cerulean summit]

ok, so all the textures are in rtx-remix > captures > textures?

[jade briar]

Sub folder with texture name.

d/r/m

[cerulean summit]

I mean the old textures

[jade briar]

Yes.

[cerulean summit]

they dont have names though, are we using arbitrary ones for the new textures?

[jade briar]

No, omniverse will assign a new texture with the full path, so remix will refer to that specific file name at the given location. So yes. Do name your texture. Tho it would be convenient that you use the naming format that I'm using, you don't really have to do that.

[cerulean summit]

oh, I gotta figure out omniverse. I'll get on that

[jade briar]

And the best way to find a texture to work on is by selecting an object in ov, opening up the material properties, and copying the dds file name. Then you can search for it in your captures>textures folder. Convert it to png, start working.

[jade briar]

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This is a very good quick start guide.

[spark moon]

Hi muta nice to see u here

[vague sparrow]

@jade briar can you test if out of world objects are fully modelled, like they are culled but their geo does exist, right?

A much better way to explain this would be geometry that is inaccessible to the player

[jade briar]

Remix doesn't capture anything selectable.

[stray orchid]

it works, thanks!

is it possible to avoid full disabling light?

[jade briar]

what

[vague sparrow]

ok.

[jade briar]

ok.

[quiet ravine]

👌

[odd forum]

oak

[spark moon]

have u guys tried latest bridge release 6 games not working after updating

[cerulean summit]

While I'm waiting for omniverse to install, I figured I'd swap out the textures for what I've already done. I know it was a waste of time in hindsight but whats done is done so I might as well see what it looks like

right is old, left is new

[vague sparrow]

holy moly

[vague sparrow]

your textures are amazing

[vague sparrow]

the left texture is amazing

[jade briar]

What's the error message?

[jade briar]

A bit too uniform, I'd argue. But looks pretty good regardless.

[surreal ruin]

Ehy that's proper nice, the gritty normals help a ton

[jade briar]

I really like your normals tho. True.

Idk why, but mine look too flat.

[surreal ruin]

Yours also has the issue of the obvious repetition

[cerulean summit]

You want some level of uniformity for a tileable texture, otherwise it's obvious that it's repeating, but I'd still agree.

I can tweak to make it a bit more varied if you want to keep it, but I don't want to just replace stuff while there's other stuff I could be doing, I failed to consider that earlier

[jade briar]

Also. Tech tip. Go to the remix menu, and under denoising, turn on reference mode. Keep the camera still, and it'll accumulate rays over a number of frames for cleaner screenshots. Like normal offline renderers.

[cerulean summit]

Honestly, it's running so slowly that navigating the menus takes forever, and sometimes crashes.
Thats a 2060 super for you

[jade briar]

god

Turn on dlss?

My config is running at at native 1440

[cerulean summit]

For the screenshot dlss is set to quality but I need ultra performance while I'm actually playing it... At 1080p!

[jade briar]

huh.

That's new

[cerulean summit]

I gotta go in and sort out settings anyway. I got portal RTX to a good state, I can do it with this given time

[jade briar]

But then again

20 series.

eh

[jade briar]

So does the base texture that you're using come with a depth map?

[cerulean summit]

I can do col, rough, and norm

[jade briar]

nono

[cerulean summit]

Ohhhh

Yes

Yeah, the texture from polyhaven does, but I'm not using it like that

[jade briar]

Like use it to texture out the deepest parts of the textures for some light puddling.

idk what I'm typing

Haven't slept all night.

Was planning on making some textures, but now I'm stuck making renders for others

[cerulean summit]

im a bit past that

[jade briar]

Now that is what I call. Not clean.

[spark moon]

there was no error but its works

[cerulean summit]

I've got a lot of different things controlling the wetness. depth mask alone would give obvious tiling for example

[vague sparrow]

sorry guys but this looks better than RTX remix, we need to find out what textures this mod is using

https://youtu.be/FB6bbSA3TrY

[cerulean summit]

if I need to share it I can clean it up

[jade briar]

WIP

[cerulean summit]

if thats in unreal engine so I'd wager its megascan textures. We can't use those (unless someone wants to pay a fortune) as its only free for unreal

[vague sparrow]

someone got angy

[jade briar]

yes

[vague sparrow]

its ok bruh i was joking

[vague sparrow]

but that does look good despite how simple the whole reshade MXAO 10+

💀

[cerulean summit]

wait, thats just reshade?

[ember cobalt]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/need-for-speed-2-66792303

[vague sparrow]

yup

[cerulean summit]

wtf, the reflections are usually something thats pretty difficult with reshade

I can see it now tho, I'm disappointed in myself for thinking it was UE

[surreal ruin]

Looks like standard SSR

Except for the cubemap on the cars ofc

[ember cobalt]

SSR is usually less versatile than that

[cerulean summit]

sure, but that usually applies to everything uniformly with reshade. Its the same here, but it didn't look like it

[surreal ruin]

SSR can be EXTREMELY forgiven from these kinds of locked behind car camera angles

[ember cobalt]

it's reflections on everything or nothing. in that clip, it's only being applied on strong light sources and it's blended well

[surreal ruin]

Aaah fair! Never touched reshade

[ember cobalt]

i've never seen reshade's SSR look that way

it has to be something else

anyway

[cerulean summit]

there is an older reflection method in reshade, I forgot what its called but its probably that

[jade briar]

That's the game's original reflection system. Planar. The textures in game use the alpha channel for road roughness. They're using a very high resolution road texture with white noise as alpha.

[ember cobalt]

those textures are locked behind a paywall, no way you guys can use them

[cerulean summit]

roughness wasn't a thing back then, its only specular strength. I assumed the game used cubemaps so I was surprised that islands between lanes were reflected. Planar only works on flat surfaces

[vague sparrow]

This is why i hate these graphics mods, all the cool textures are not available for modding when its literally a mod

https://youtu.be/sXIx5-CsYkk

[jade briar]

That's not even roughness. Just alpha based specularity on a plane texture.

The grainy spec map works good to simulate both roughness and give it a bumpy feeling that'd otherwise be covered by normals.

So yeah, even if you had those textures, they're not pbr in any way.

[cerulean summit]

yeah, I've achieved the same effect in the old kotor games. Its surprisingly effective but has to be very high res

[jade briar]

yep

[surreal ruin]

How do people PLAY with these kinds of mods

It LOOKS cool sure, but I can't tell what's even happening when in movement lol

[jade briar]

One of those mods that do not respect the original aesthetic.

[surreal ruin]

You gotta love it when the reflections of a lightsource on the ground is brighter than the lightsource itself

Oh, those lights are blue and red?

Well, they're white now!

[jade briar]

Law of conservation of energy is dead

[surreal ruin]

Me and an old colleague used to discuss the idea of starting a metal band called "Breaking Energyconservation"

Where all the music would be about ripping apart poor rendering

[cerulean summit]

That's gotta be ssr, surely.

Planar wouldn't work on that sloped surface

[jade briar]

My guess is that reshade is doing ssr at steep angles

If what you're saying is true

[surreal ruin]

Uuuh I don't know! I've never played this NFS honestly so I've no clue what runs under the hood

The thing is with these fixed camera things, it becomes pretty easy to mask those kinds of issues

Hell it could even have cubemap fallbacks

[cerulean summit]

Not possible, there's depth and dynamic objects included

[surreal ruin]

Racing games commonly use a single cubemap that is live updated attached to the car

Been doing that for a loooong time

[cerulean summit]

Yeah, but road reflections look very wonky if they use the same solution

[surreal ruin]

Although again I don't know if this uses it as I'm not familiar with the game at all

I'm not seeing any of the trademark edge fading from SSR though

Which leads me to believe it's just the planar doing its thing

I find this extremely interesting

Because these kinds of inconsistencies wouldn't really be produced by any realtime solutions

[cerulean summit]

That looks simple enough.
Reflected light sources with no shadows

Notice it's ONLY lights that have accurate depth

[surreal ruin]

But it's only reflecting like, half of the windows on the buildings

The other half are completely left out XD

[jade briar]

alright

So what is this? I can see parts of the world being reflected.

100% unmodified.

[surreal ruin]

Well Underground 2 is just a planar

[jade briar]

See. I told ya3.

[cerulean summit]

We'll have to agree to disagree on that. Planar simply doesn't function on surfaces that aren't flat.

I think it's point lights being reflected with (you were right about this) a cubemap for the environment.

The image from earlier must have reshade ssr though

[surreal ruin]

Yeah but that's not what we're pondering though

We talking about what this MOD is applying through reshade or whatever

The base games 100 % use planar reflections

It's even CALLED planar reflections in the options menu isn't it..?

[jade briar]

It's perspective corrected cubemaps.

Perhaps

[jade briar]

No it just says road reflections.

[surreal ruin]

Aaah fair

[cerulean summit]

the game might use planar reflections in select areas like the garage and menus, but not most roads

[odd forum]

i downloaded the build main for bridge remix, i cant seem to find release build and it doesnt work

[cerulean summit]

thats good for reflecting things around you, but not things you go around. anyway, I think we should move on cos that conversation could go forever

[cerulean summit]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/5095209923

is this what you need? I'm not sure

[surreal ruin]

Do keep in mind this was a PS2 game, actually runtime reflecting point lights wasn't really a thing we could do for performance reasons, many a times we'd just fake these things by making the ground texture transparent and then placing fake light billboards under the road

Not that NFS does that, it clearly doesn't

But actual point light reflections are definitely not going on

[cerulean summit]

point light reflections are the earliest and cheapest form except from arguably simple cubemaps. Planar is by far the most expensive short of RT (though it scales worse so RT will be cheaper in more detailed games)

[odd forum]

found it, dumb mistake :p

[cerulean summit]

no worries, glad you got it sorted

[surreal ruin]

Going of modern day rules yes, planar reflections are EXTREMELY expensive these days

It was actually fairly common to see a few gens back

[cerulean summit]

a full quality planar reflection is rendering the scene twice so ~2x performance hit. the simpler the scene, the cheaper the planar reflection, so they've always managed to be usable across many generations

but you need 1 per flat surface and using more than one quickly results in rendering the scene an absurd number of times

[surreal ruin]

Sure looks like lowered res planar to me!

[odd forum]

do i just placce the folder in main game directory or paste the files in the folder there

[surreal ruin]

Far too accurate for a cubemap

[cerulean summit]

whats too accurate? are you looking at the reflection of the lights?

[surreal ruin]

The guardrails

[cerulean summit]

oh shit

[surreal ruin]

Wrong message I intended to respond to there

But ye

That ain't no cubemap

[jade briar]

Look at the pinned message

[cerulean summit]

and yet, the sign isnt reflected, only the light thats placed on it

its more complex than I thought but I still doubt its planar

[odd forum]

aite

[surreal ruin]

It's common to omit lots of things from planar captures to make them cheaper

You can see here, there's a palm reflected on the ground

But that palm is actually BEHIND those bushes

[cerulean summit]

this is a good example. Thats a flat road there, so I can accept thats planar

[cerulean summit]

this road looks sloped but can I get a sanity check on that?

[surreal ruin]

It's very sloped for sure

Proper touge stuff

[cerulean summit]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-white-persian-guardian-why-gif-10312546

cubemap from the cameras position?

perspective would line up

[surreal ruin]

Honestly they could just be pulling the ancient screen inversion trick

Although I don't think that's what's going on

[odd forum]

is this bcz of widescreen patch i applied?

[surreal ruin]

Because there are ones like this scattered about as well

Where the reflection is not just a 1 : 1 copy

Also look at this

You can see the guardrail reflection continue down the hill

Whilst the actual guard rail isn't visible

Y'know what that means?

[cerulean summit]

no?

[surreal ruin]

Transparent road textures

[cerulean summit]

OHHHHHHHHHHHH

check in omniverse, see if theres anything under the road?

[surreal ruin]

They've just duplicated the geometry of the guardrails and are using light billboards placed under the roads

No clue I don't have it installed atm ;P

[cloud crypt]

There isnt

[cerulean summit]

damn

good guess tho

[surreal ruin]

There isn't?

[cloud crypt]

You also could check with debug cam

[surreal ruin]

DANG

Well in that case all I can think of

Is a miss aligned planar reflection

But you just kinda can't tell when going fast

[cerulean summit]

I would accept a single flat planar reflection thats somehow distorted

sea of thieves does that for its water

no idea how you'd do it like nfs seems to tho, its still a bit different to anything I've seen

[cerulean summit]

WTF

[surreal ruin]

Important to note that it IS capturing the cars and stuff as well

[cloud crypt]

I will let the World-Textures to you guys, i will do Lighting and some Garages/Shops.

[surreal ruin]

Including dynamic liveries etc

[cerulean summit]

most importantly, the underside, so its not a camera position cubemap

[surreal ruin]

Which takes me to planars again

HOWEVER

[cerulean summit]

https://tenor.com/view/concede-i-concede-i-surrender-i-give-up-gif-13137122

[surreal ruin]

There is a strange inconsitency

A mystery still lingering

[cerulean summit]

a little bamboozlement left?

[surreal ruin]

HAH, it's really funny, if you pay attention to the reflection of the udnerside of the car you can tell there IS no underside

[cloud crypt]

Hm, but what i can tell is that they used height maps. They are in the game for the roads

[surreal ruin]

Because the cars roof is being reflected

BUT, here's spooky mystery

There are stretched out billboards used in the reflections for the lights

Do they perhaps have in-world objects that are set to ONLY render in the reflections for these?

[cerulean summit]

well the bottom of the car would be culled as its not in view, so even if it could render whats offscreen, there would be nothing there

[thorny pawn]

ngl left looks pretty damn hot 👀

[cerulean summit]

u sure its billboards? point reflections are so simple I've even done it with blender nodes without any actual lights in the scene

[cloud crypt]

But puddles missing

[cerulean summit]

that seems to be the impression I'm getting, I shall work on that

[surreal ruin]

100 % sure yes

[cerulean summit]

hmm

[surreal ruin]

https://youtu.be/ZMUaAaQP6L8?t=48

If you peek at the video you'll see that they're clearly static textures moving with the car

[cerulean summit]

video is blocked

[surreal ruin]

And noy anything created through shaders

Oh

[surreal ruin]

Basically the billboards don't distort with perspective or anything

[cloud crypt]

The roads are modded, thats why they reflect that much

[surreal ruin]

They're completely static on the lights

[surreal ruin]

Yeah! It's modded, but it's still using the games tech

[cerulean summit]

yeah, but the tech used for the reflections is the same, its just a better look

[surreal ruin]

This video just makes it easier to see

[cloud crypt]

True

[cerulean summit]

it is planar then. The underside of the car doesn't cut off whats out of view, but rather per object (object culling), which means its not a camera aligned cubemap

https://tenor.com/view/hearties-ray-wcth-when-calls-the-heart-i-dont-often-say-this-gif-16716777

[surreal ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[odd forum]

what happens if you have changed resolution with widescreen patch 🙂

[surreal ruin]

This is a stupidly interesting look into the games tech though

And had we not had this discussion I would've never bothered digging this deep lol

[cerulean summit]

these are the sorta conversations I love to have, and everyone I know thinks I'm crazy XD

[surreal ruin]

I FEEL YOU MATE

Right there with ya

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/mhmm-reading-oh-oh-yeah-gif-14434817

[cerulean summit]

its pretty simple really. when the whachumacallit sees the thingymabob, the dooberywhatsit does the thing to the stuff

[cloud crypt]

I am not a game engeneer or smth. But i understand some things from what you are talking😅

[stray orchid]

is it possible to avoid full disabling light?
like this one

[cloud crypt]

Yes, when i am ready with placing lights
Will still take my time on this

[surreal ruin]

So basically.

-It is a planar reflection, and distortion errors on curved roads DO occur if you're paying attention. It appears to be rendered at a 3'rd or half the resolution of the game itself. ( Hard to tell without pixel counting and I'm not THAT anal )

-It updates in realtime but only captures certain objects, like guard rails, light sources and specific vegetation and building pieces that are important enough.

-They appear to have in-world objects that are ONLY captured by the planar reflection, we can determine this from no duped geometry existing under the roads and yet certain reflection billboards exist in game that you can't see outside the reflections. ( Such as reflections from street lights and car lights )

And that class, has been todays deep dive into old tech nobody gives a rats butt about!

Join me again next week when we analyse the 4'th pixel from the top right of Simon Belmonts original Castlevania sprite.

[cerulean summit]

amazing ted talk, thank you

[vague sparrow]

can we like suspend lights in the scene as of currently? basically when the light culls, we still have our own adjusted light in that place

disable pre existing lights and then adding lights that aren't attached to meshes as child mesh

[cloud crypt]

No

I know what you mean

I could test this

[stray orchid]

anyone know smth about it?

[cloud crypt]

I already awnsered

[cloud crypt]

I know how to create meshes, but how to create child meshes?

[stray orchid]

ok, thanks! will wait

[cloud crypt]

With my lights they wont randamly dissapear. And they look better.

[surreal ruin]

Oooooh hahaha, these reflections are SUPER scuffed anytime a bump in the road happens

[vague sparrow]

anything attached to normal game mesh will still get culled, that's why im asking to add non-child mesh lights (if its actually possible)

i'll consult mark about this in a bit

[vague sparrow]

yeah, hence the name planar

[cloud crypt]

I dont think that a mesh where not a reference is added will be displayed in game.

[surreal ruin]

Aye it's just interesting to see! Because without this mod it's genuinely hard to notice in game

Just goes to show how much care was put into hiding it

You can also tell how much less accurate the reflections become when you enter the city itself, as it has WAY more objects than these outskirts

Which goes to show they had an extremely limited "Objects rendered in the reflection" budget

[vague sparrow]

i meant most older games used suspended lights that were not attached to anything

why can we not add these lights so that they wont get culled

[cerulean summit]

I seem to be misunderstanding how this works. I've followed one of the tutorials and changed some material parameters and textures, saved it, and it doesn't change anything in game

the texture swap I did earlier was just replacing an existing texture, this is a bit weirder

[surreal ruin]

Wish I could help ya there but I've not touched Omniverse yet!

[cerulean summit]

I hadn't either until an hour or two ago

[cloud crypt]

I already made a new floor

[cerulean summit]

oh, it was blank on mine

[cloud crypt]

Yeah, i work currently on burritod mod as a base

Adding lights, new floors and some other things

[cerulean summit]

ok, I'll work on some of the other textures then, but I still dont know how to do it

[cloud crypt]

You will need a base texture (called albedo) a height map and atleast an occlusion/normal map

There are plenty on tutorials on youtube on how zo create them.
I made my floor with Photoshop, created there my AO, Normal and height map out of a Texture i had

[cerulean summit]

nah, thats not the problem. I can make textures and swap them in omniverse, but it doesnt transfer to the game

[cloud crypt]

Its really simple. When you edit a texture (replace the albedo) a mat is created in the layer tab. Go there and open up the shader. There you can edit the roughness and other things

[cerulean summit]

again, I can edit it, but it doesnt go to the game

[cloud crypt]

Are the textures png or dds?

[upper pond]

Hey guys, any idea on how this is like this_

[cerulean summit]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

[cloud crypt]

They need to be DDS

[cerulean summit]

I know what to do now 🤦‍♂️

thank you

[cloud crypt]

No problem

[ashen cradle]

For some reason the game doesn't start. May I send a .dmp for someone to check it?

[cloud crypt]

Its fake lol, he just using dds files. Its just SSR and RTGI

[cloud crypt]

1. Install widescreen fix
2. Install remix 0.2.0 to game directory
3. Install bridge to game directory
4. Install dxvk to trex folder
5. Install the files from uncle buritto to game directory
6. Rename dinput8 to dsound

And you are ready to go

[cerulean summit]

yeah, I realised a bit later in the thread

whooooole conversation about how it looks like it did

[cloud crypt]

😅🤣

[vague sparrow]

turn down everything in game's video settings except world detail

[ashen cradle]

Yeah I did all of that

[cerulean summit]

where did you get bridge remix? should have been here https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/bridge-remix/actions/runs/5095209923

[cloud crypt]

I hope we will get the remix tools soon

[cerulean summit]

Same. I'm a 3d artist, not a programmer or full on developer. All this stuff is very confusing

[elfin beacon]

Same , don't understand shit here but I enjoy watching these people.

[tawny elk]

I’m thinking forcing the rear view mirror might be the trick

[vague sparrow]

how would you do that?

making the game think its in rear view camera while actually its forward camera

?

[tiny nimbus]

This looks like ass

🗿

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcasm-sarcastic-meter-not-to-confuse-irony-gif-15460682

[tiny nimbus]

looks like i was the one that needed glasses all along

[tidal gust]

https://youtu.be/gE6IZkyUox0

[tiny nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958081483267002428.gif?quality=lossless&size=64

[tidal gust]

why is my game doing this ?

[vague sparrow]

change your video settings in the game to low except world detail

everything must be low to exclude shaders from being executed

also did you download the replacements?

[tidal gust]

yes

[vague sparrow]

ok try setting everything like i said and then try

[tidal gust]

https://youtu.be/VEZSyvyU5Ac it worked but is this how its supposed to look ? and why its very laggy ?

[vague sparrow]

what gpu you have

looks very laggy

also is DLSS enabled?

[tidal gust]

rtx 3060

[tidal gust]

no

[cerulean summit]

use dlss performance

[vague sparrow]

enable it by pressing Alt+X and selecting DLSS performance under DLSS tab

[timid prairie]

Left texture made game feel even more freshier

[cerulean summit]

thanks. I'm still struggling to actually get texture replacements working tho

[chrome meadow]

Attaching lights to updated geometry may help but disabling culling would be ideal

[vague sparrow]

Burrito can help you out

[tidal gust]

performance is now fixed

[vague sparrow]

hmm...send video, i want to see how it performs on 3060

[tidal gust]

just a sec

[cerulean summit]

already helped a ton, I've yet to become completely stumped so I wont bother anyone until then

[chrome meadow]

That's usually a good thing, but how can I know? and it' hard to ask to people that did blend

[tidal gust]

its tying its best https://youtu.be/bMA6xcWdqMw

[spark moon]

basically the same as 2060 super not gonna have a difference

[cerulean summit]

it has 4gb more vram and slightly faster RT performance if I remember correctly. My 2060s struggles but manages, a 3060 should be fine with lower expectations

[vague sparrow]

why is it still stuttery

are you Cpu bound or screen recording issue

[tidal gust]

both

[cerulean summit]

check the vram capacity in the alt+x menu, that can cause stutter too

[vague sparrow]

so without recording, it looks ok

[tidal gust]

and i am watching the f1 race at the same time

[tidal gust]

little better yes

[cerulean summit]

not that then

[tidal gust]

problably the ram and becouse i am running the game from an hdd

[cerulean summit]

figured out texturing. I should probably make the road markings more obvious though

[tidal gust]

but i dont actually mind the stutter irl its better then on the video

[vague sparrow]

ooooooo, these look very nice

[cerulean summit]

absolutely no idea how to share it

[vague sparrow]

hmm i kinda knew it

[vague sparrow]

you have textures and mod.usda, right?

[tidal gust]

used to be a console player this is nothing compared to some ports

[chrome meadow]

There is the demo that work a bit differently, like the neon that are rendered in a different way

[cerulean summit]

is that all I need?

[vague sparrow]

probably you're RTX.conf file too

because all the adjustment values

[vague sparrow]

in a good way or bad way? because this is in testing phase

[cerulean summit]

whats that for? and where is it?

[vague sparrow]

we are still figuring out problems that we can not solve right now

[vague sparrow]

ummm, in the root folder, its where your settings are saved when you tinker with developer options

[cerulean summit]

ohhhh, you dont want that. All I've done is ruin it so it runs at all

[tidal gust]

if this is still in testing than good seen full relesed game that are worst

btw thanks to the one who helped me

[cerulean summit]

any objections to me trying AI (the proper stable diffusion kind) for upscaling building textures?

[surreal ruin]

Now THAT, is what I'm talkin'bout

[vague sparrow]

@cerulean summit ngl i like your choice of textures, where did you get them?

[tawny elk]

I’ll check over the demo again, I don’t really remember the symbols being in that build.

[surreal ruin]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they made them? They're a fellow artist!

[tawny elk]

But I can check all the different regions and languages of the demo.

[cerulean summit]

heavily modified from polyhaven.com (its all CC0 so free to use)

[tawny elk]

There’s gotta be a time they slipped up

[stray orchid]

interesting, on low res without widescreen fix 20 fps is fully playable, but with widescreen fix 20 fps fully unplayable, even with same low res https://www.loom.com/share/06917c05d338451f94c96bd454044810

[vague sparrow]

how you have 4gb vram

[stray orchid]

so?

[cerulean summit]

thats probably not enough for full path tracing

this sorta tech can bring a 4090 to its knees if you're not careful

[vague sparrow]

i don't recall any RTX card having 4gb vram

[cerulean summit]

if it works though 🤷‍♂️

[cerulean summit]

I was about to say the exact same thing, but its a 3050ti... mobile

glad to see nothing ever changed from my old 1050ti

[vague sparrow]

oh

[cerulean summit]

yeah

I don't want to gatekeep based on hardware, I've tried to maximise what limited tech I've had for years, but there are limits

hell, even running this on my 2060 super is pushing it

[thorny pawn]

appropriate pc case for RTX

[stray orchid]

it work, but some issue with widescreen fix,
with same resolution without widescreen fix 640*480 on 20 fps is fully playable, but with widescreen fix - no
https://www.loom.com/share/c3ae41470d16459b85f027fdbb845974

[cerulean summit]

@stray orchid if you want to try and power through, best you can do is lower texture quality, use ultra performance dlss, and if you know your way around the dev menu, lower samples and bounces

[cerulean summit]

u sure its the same resolution?

[stray orchid]

yep

[stray orchid]

check video

[thorny pawn]

i dont get it, both with and without you seem to be getting the exact same performance? Is it stuttering or something with widescreen fix?

[cerulean summit]

what exactly is the issue? I'm multitasking so I cant hear if the vid explains it with audio

[thorny pawn]

not sure what you mean by "unplayable"

[stray orchid]

without widescreen fix responsiveness is good, but with it - no

[cerulean summit]

so is it input latency?

you cant see that on a vid cos obviously we dont know when inputs are made

[stray orchid]

yep, input latency

[cerulean summit]

idk why it would be different, so this probably isnt a fix but it might help counter it. in the remix settings enable nvidia reflex

[stray orchid]

and speed of game itself also

[tiny nimbus]

what card

[cerulean summit]

3050ti mobile

[tiny nimbus]

😭

[cerulean summit]

trying our best here 😅

[tiny nimbus]

dont even bother lol

3050ti mobile and path tracing is just not gonna happen

[cerulean summit]

its worth trying. If recommended specs were followed then I'd never have run anything when I was younger

and it DOES work, something else is broken

[stray orchid]

you're wrong, it work, but issue with widescren fix

[tiny nimbus]

wouldnt call 20fps playable but you do you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1035310710231683142.webp?size=64&name=cringe&quality=lossless

[thorny pawn]

+1 i played through portal 1 using SwiftShader on cpu because my onboard graphics didn't support shaders lul got through the game at like 18fps or so

[cerulean summit]

I used to play on integrated laptops and 15+ is playable, trust me

[tiny nimbus]

nah

[vague sparrow]

if you told me that in 2002, i would laugh the living shit out of my lungs

[tiny nimbus]

but its not 2002

[cerulean summit]

once you're used to higher fps its awful, but claiming its not worth even trying for people that are used to lower expectations is just pointless gatekeeping

[tiny nimbus]

look man im not trying to start a discussing rn but

[stray orchid]

it depends, 20 fps is playable if input lag is good and gamespeed is good, you could try through teamviwer and then say

[thorny pawn]

human eye can't see beyond 1fps anyways, jokes aside, his issue is not the performance but widescreen fix causing input lag, maybe somebody has had this issue and can answer, worth asking i would argue

[vague sparrow]

retrive me a CRT and then talk, LCD/LEDs dont do justice with 20hz

[hearty delta]

still do, just finished fo4 on a 20 average

[vague sparrow]

maybe change the config from widescreen

[cerulean summit]

how are you... here? dont tell me you can run remix on the same system?

[hearty delta]

lol no, just like to watch

[cerulean summit]

fair

ok, back to actual progress. Any thoughts on AI for remastering building textures. Its not perfect but its alright

[tawny elk]

Even if you attach them to the geometry it gets unloaded really fast.

[tawny elk]

AI always gets things looking a bit too smooth imo.

[vague sparrow]

what are you using, stable diffusion upscaling?

[cerulean summit]

this aint smooth, but its got fake compression

[tawny elk]

But buildings are what I deal with on the daily so there’s so much detail I focus on that y’all prob don’t even notice.

[cerulean summit]

yeah

[cerulean summit]

you're not wrong, it is certainly noticeable, but aside from remodeling the entire thing its the best option I can think of. I can hardly think of everything tho so I'm open to suggestions

[vague sparrow]

like?

[vague sparrow]

i suspect it of it having a invisible watermark

[cerulean summit]

yeah, I wont use that one anyway

[tawny elk]

Answering Attrm’s question here:
It got rid of the expansion joints in the stucco part above the storefront. It also really toned down the stucco texture.

[tawny elk]

Whoops I meant to reply to this one

[stray orchid]

same issue with orig game, so it's defenetely in widescreen fix.
is it possible to run it in fullscreen without widescreen fix? even in 4:3 with black borders

[vague sparrow]

first explain me what is a stucco

[cerulean summit]

plaster

I think

[vague sparrow]

@cerulean summit you can use stable diffusion infinity canvas to make out a new texture using prompts

[tawny elk]

This is stucco. See how it’s like got a splotchy look

[tiny nimbus]

ngl the sounds could use some work too

[tawny elk]

Comes from how it’s applied.

[tiny nimbus]

some cars sound great others not so much

[surreal ruin]

Could you send the original texture? I'd like to have a go!

[tawny elk]

I don’t mind redoing them. Modeling building is my fav.

[vague sparrow]

hmm...it get it now

[cerulean summit]

ALL of them?

thats a tall order

[stray orchid]

same issue with orig game, so it's defenetely in widescreen fix.
is it possible to run it in fullscreen without widescreen fix? even in 4:3 with black borders

[tawny elk]

Once I find that culling I’d love to get into some model replacement.

[thorny pawn]

uhhh actual models for the buildings would be amazing

are we able to do that yet?

last time i checked we could only do textures/materials?

[cerulean summit]

if its an issue independent of rtx remix I you could look it up on forums dedicated to widescreen fix or ug2 as a whole. If the whole discord was dedicated to it I'd try to help but a single chat gets full pretty quick

[thorny pawn]

would definetly be much nicer than just upscaled textures on flat walls

[cerulean summit]

the buildings do seem to have rough models, thats why I wasnt straying too far from the original texture or they wouldn't align. new ones would be amazing though

[vague sparrow]

is there a camera address when we switch to backview?

[cerulean summit]

for now, I'm gunna finish this texture anyway

[stray orchid]

issue that without widescreen fix game open with empty space up and left, and cut bottom and right
is it possible run game in fullscreen without widescreen fix?

[cerulean summit]

go into the games settings and change the res, it might kick it to fullscreen, otherwise I have no idea

[stray orchid]

ok, thanks!

[thorny pawn]

https://github.com/ThirteenAG/WidescreenFixesPack/issues/886

Also check this issue and maybe open ur own issue and describe your problem 🙂 it doesn't have anything to do with RTX Remix

[stray orchid]

it helped, thanks a lot!

[jade briar]

Y'all got your irrelevant reflections figured out?

[vague sparrow]

you're textures now suck

there is a new king and its this

[cerulean summit]

hey, I wouldn't even be here if not for uncle burrito, be nice 😧

[tiny nimbus]

neevermind

i tried it myself with the pinned comment and it runs at like 20 fps + invisible roads 🗿

[vague sparrow]

its okay i just trigger him

[cerulean summit]

use dlss and lower the actual games settings. many effects ug2 has break rtx remix so you have to turn them off

[vague sparrow]

we go for stuff that's like better and this road is actually really good no cap

[tiny nimbus]

Dlss performance made it run above 60 but yeah there is a lot work needed lol

[vague sparrow]

turn down your game settings

except world detail

[cerulean summit]

thats remix for you. not all the tools are out yet and path tracing in general is far from practical performance on most hardware

[tiny nimbus]

yeah i already deleted everything lol just gonna lurk here

nvidia release 🤌

now

🤌🤌🤌🤌

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animal-memes-gif-20207047

[tiny nimbus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1069047685635649686.gif?quality=lossless&size=64

[jade briar]

Looks about the same.

[vague sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/clearly-you-dont-own-an-air-fryer-jarvis-iron-man-meme-memes-gif-22588230

tis very detailed

[jade briar]

Surely

[vague sparrow]

you jelly bro ngl

just use this texture in new video

https://tenor.com/view/black-man-sitting-snazzy-gif-26181918

[cerulean summit]

in all fairness, my road markings are shit rn

yeah, I don't think my method for buildings is a good idea, scrap that

[jade briar]

Figured

[cerulean summit]

hows the sky set up btw? I doubt its a hdri is it?

[jade briar]

It is the default sky texture that comes with the game.

[vague sparrow]

i think yes

looks very pixelated so it has to be from the game

[cerulean summit]

usually games like this use geometry for the skydome but I cant find it in omniverse

[jade briar]

It doesn't get exported.

Well. it kinda does.

But it doesn't show up in ov.

[cerulean summit]

how do I find/edit it?

does remix support hdris if I made it invisible and fell back to the 'proper' sky?

[surreal ruin]

Very interesting actually, I've been trying to peek into that but can't quite figure it out

But from footage and looking at the game

It must be using something really funky because it suffers from integer precision errors

As if it was a PS1 mesh

[cerulean summit]

thats quite common when objects are scaled up to insane degrees

same reason you get similar errors in massive open worlds without dynamic origins

[surreal ruin]

Aaaye! But normally you'd avoid rendering your skyboxes in a way that makes that obvious

RTXremix has issues with it but this is the base game as well

[cerulean summit]

probably less obvious at the lower resolutions of old, idk

[surreal ruin]

It's typically MORE obvious at lower res

[cerulean summit]

oh

[surreal ruin]

As the points samples are typically screen-space

And not world positions

[jade briar]

So here's the map exported from ov, to blender.

You can see the skydome

But in ov

You can neither see it, nor select it.

[cerulean summit]

whats the object called in blender?

[vague sparrow]

you mean the hash?

[cerulean summit]

just what its called in the outliner

hash may be the term, but never one that I've used so idk

[jade briar]

I was about to post it, but my shitternet died

[cerulean summit]

rip

[tawny elk]

Yes but I’m not quite sure how to get to be used by rtx

[cerulean summit]

Ive only been vaguely following the whole camera thing. Is the idea to stop lights and meshes culling when they leave frame by using the rear camera?

cos surely that'd cause a lot of flickering as stuff passes between the front view and reappears later in the rear

[cloud crypt]

i will do the skyboxes lol

or if you have a HDRi i can give you the files

[cerulean summit]

I dont have a specific hdri in mind but I would suggest looking here https://polyhaven.com/hdris

quality varies, but its easily the best free hdri resource I've found

[cloud crypt]

these are shit and wont work

[cerulean summit]

wont work?

[cloud crypt]

they are not Pure Sky, you need pure sky and it have to be night

[cerulean summit]

wdym pure sky?

is that a format?

[cloud crypt]

there have to be no objects and other stuff, only the sky

[jade briar]

These are shit
Doesn't elaborate

[cerulean summit]

oh, right

[cloud crypt]

like this

[cloud crypt]

sry

[cerulean summit]

is that hdr?