Silent Hill 2 - Scattered Paths

[hexed gyro]

Sometimes when something gets too overwhelming I just leave it for a later date though lol

[vagrant hazel]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OH

MY GOD

Spoilers for Silent Hill: Short Message

||https://twitter.com/danksilenthill/status/1752920411527077999||

|| COVID-19 CAUSED SILENT HILL YA'LL ||

[proper grail]

What the hell

I'd say "RIP Silent Hill" if it wasn't essentially dead already

[cinder socket]

fans could already tell the moment the leaks came out some time back

It shouldn't have been an SH game

but here we are

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah, I think we all knew what to expect the second Bloober was involved

But hey, what's done is done I suppose X)

[cinder socket]

I meant SHL:F SH:Short Message

[vagrant hazel]

Oh, uh yeah..

[cinder socket]

But yeah people called it fricking 2+ years ago (since it was initially leaked)

I was already a fan of Bloober Team, not quite a super fan but I still enjoyed their games and understood their worst weaknesses in their narrative writing

When they came out with The Medium, I could tell how much they just utterly missed the point

and from the new SH2R trailer, I could also tell, that they fecking missed the point

People then and now, did not play SH2 for the combat

of all things

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaah, my guess is that Konami doesn't really care about that though

They're not chasing silent hill fans

They're after the RE crowd

[viral glade]

Some more interesting finds I made during the week - in one of the bowling rooms we can see these arts:

• The High Roller - Extravaganza Co. (an American burlesque from the mid-1900s);
• Salzburger Festspiele (Cenodoxus) by Jean Tinguely (1972);
• Sieben Gegen Theben (I couldn't find this art anywhere, a small part of it was cut in the game file);
• L'HISTOIRE (probably a French magazine, but it needs more research, I still don't know about dates or other details unfortunately).

I don't have any information about the other two arts, if anyone knows about them, feel free to comment 🙂

[vagrant hazel]

Oh shit that's cool

No clue what the other two could be though, it's interesting because the flying books one is very clear

But reverse searching gets nothing

[viral glade]

exactly...where the hell they found these images...we'll find out one day ()

[vagrant hazel]

One day!

[viral glade]

anyway, drink poc water!

[vagrant hazel]

OH YO

WAIT HUH

Thaaaat's so interesting

Those look very similar to the cans in the opening bathroom

But those cans have no writing on them at all and are VERY low res

So I just made up some bullshit

Mmmh actually the shape is different

[viral glade]

these cans?

[viral glade]

these look like cement cans to me 😂

[vagrant hazel]

Here's the bullshit label I made up for the cans X)

[viral glade]

nice nice

[vagrant hazel]

YEAH THOSE!

[viral glade]

well done!

we can recreate POC WATER too 😂

[vagrant hazel]

I always thought they looked like coffee cans like Boss Coffee

Which is a japanese brand so made sense to me that they'd maybe model some can after that

[vagrant hazel]

Oh absolutely will do!

[viral glade]

yes, it makes sense, if I'm not mistaken there are other can models, but I could be confusing them with SH3

[vagrant hazel]

Would be interesting to put together a ltitle document of just like "THERE ARE PRODUCTS FOUND IN THE SH UNIVERSE"

[viral glade]

the POC WATER I think is just a healthy version of the original Coca-Cola, look

[vagrant hazel]

Oh yeah, absolutely

[viral glade]

these guys weren't afraid of anything 🔥😂

[vagrant hazel]

Lol yeah, early 2000's.

"Our textures are low res enough that people can't tell, so fuck it!"

[viral glade]

RIP Longs Drugs Shopping Kart (if i'm not mistaken, they changed the shopping cart from the apartment where we got the first gun) 💔

oh yes, they changed to the SH1 store, I believe it was more lore friendly

[kind moss]

I think that unreal engine 5 has a little to blame. The remake inmediately reminds me of layers of fear 2023, the disgusting stray souls, and strangely enough, the lords of the fallen 2023, with the same engine too. Definitely SH2 Remake should use something to make the game more distinctly or more ominous with their atmosphere, so... It looks like a generic unreal engine 5 game.
Alan Wake 2 did it right, even if its not use ue5, looks absolutely realistic but with the art style fitting in its world

[hexed gyro]

See, I'm a huge fan of resident evil but even I don't think they should make it like the RE remakes

[slow jacinth]

its way better now

did you play when they added mouse and keyboard support?

[viral glade]

If they don't force the damn TAA on SH2R, for me, that's already a lot of positive points.

[kind moss]

hell no, i should give it a try now

[slow jacinth]

oh yeah

now it's officially in

everything seems to work

as you'd expect

[kind moss]

im waiting here to be autumn, i like to play horror games when its cold

[viral glade]

A new SH2EE update is probably close to being released

[slow jacinth]

I think I'll play the enhanced edition after the new update comes out

that's what I'm waiting for

[kind moss]

well, seeing the games i mentioned, im sure they are gonna forced dlss/fsr

force, my english is no bueno

[viral glade]

mine too 😂 my main language is PT-BR

but no problems, we can understand 🙂

[high leaf]

I’m very sad, I have all the silent hill discs but the first one has a crack in it and won’t read ):

[slow jacinth]

maybe it can be fixed?

nevermind

silly me for thinking that

[high leaf]

I mean it could be, it’s not a big crack

[viral glade]

RIP

[high leaf]

IKR, it’s my fault sadly but goddamnit i should find a fix

[slow jacinth]

would probably cost a fortune to have it fixed

[viral glade]

og copies of silent hill are quite expensive, unfortunately :/

[high leaf]

i see plenty of like disc 2 only of them all the time

All but the first disc

[kind moss]

im from argentina

[kind moss]

yoou could try toothpaste

[dapper oyster]

I don't like where this whole Silent Hill Phenomenon idea is going

With such settings they can make any game with a Silent Hill title if there's fog and monster.

[hexed gyro]

you like that they're saying the events of silent hill happen because of covid

And also, if the events of silent hill happen anywhere else, it wouldnt be called silent hill

[dapper oyster]

Sorry, was a typo

[hexed gyro]

ah

yeah then we're all in agreement lol

I like the idea of it taking place elsewhere, but then it wouldnt be called silent hill

and it makes silent hill as a town seem less scary if other towns are just like it

[dapper oyster]

And gameplay wise Short Message is one of those games I'd rather watch a playthrough

But yet I endured 2 hours for the boring gameplay yesterday

[hexed gyro]

yeah that makes sense lol

it seems like an engine test

to show off visuals

for silent hill 2

[dapper oyster]

It's a mix-up of every cringe indie horror game we had in 10 years

[hexed gyro]

lol

[dapper oyster]

Nothing new really

[hexed gyro]

I have a ps5 but im not turning it on just to play it

[dapper oyster]

I'd give it a 4/10 if it's not free 😉

I do think Short Message is there to show ppl that they can make SH games with barely connection with the actual town called Silent Hill

As long as they're labeled with the SH Phenomenon

Which is pretty much what they're doing with F and Ascension or any project coming afterwards

If they're not burying the series again

[dapper oyster]

well

[proper grail]

Konami's new Silent Hill push off to a great start

I don't expect the other titles to fare much better

[vagrant hazel]

Ya'll like horror eh!

This is just my console horror shelf though, I'm moving soon so my PC games are packed up already 😭

Really happy with the big BIOHAZARD 5'th anniversary box, that thing is so baller

Japanese copies of the first three games

And yes, I am ashamed that my SH3 copy has been lost to time

It being missing from there is.. a black mark for sure 😭

[dapper oyster]

PC version of SH games are pretty rare and experience there days, but JP console copies are still available and affordable

BTW I wonder if the remake's gonna come out any time before April so i can grab one and go to Akira's concert for an autograph.

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah it sure seems that way! Pretty insane!

[cinder socket]

@vagrant hazel Have you gotten to Remixing this part yet? can't wait 🙏

[vagrant hazel]

Haha yeah I'm looking forward to it! X)

[viral glade]

ok guys, I purchased the first copy of Silent Hill 2 Remake ✌🏻

[vagrant hazel]

HAH let's gooo

[hexed gyro]

It might still be better than the remake

[vagrant hazel]

https://stormergames.itch.io/silent-hill-2-20th-anniversary-demake-for-gameboy

It's pretty awesome actually 😄

[viral glade]

its a beautiful work fr, I really wanted to hear the soundtrack in 8 bits, it's a shame that the project developer lost the project files (it seems common with silent hill) 💔💔💔

and sorry for my bad english, my dog is very sick atm, im at the neurologist with him 🐶❤️‍🩹

[vagrant hazel]

Aaaw shit, that's sad to hear 😭

[vagrant hazel]

Your english is absolutely fine! You're more coherent than most people on this server 😛

[spark sandal]

can't believe you mimicked the material of james' hair in the new remake trailer

[vagrant hazel]

HAH I giggled at that

It looks like their SSS solution is broken

Which is very interesting because they're using unreal...

And unreal has pretty decent SSS by default...

[spark sandal]

the meshes in the remake still look like they're not interacting with the environment properly graphically

it was even an issue in one of the first screenshots they showed back in 2022

there's something off about the nurse that makes it look imposed on but it's clearly not

i can't put my finger on it and james had almost the exact same effect in the combat trailer but it's more noticeable because of the hair

[vagrant hazel]

Bloober team used a ton of baked lighting in the medium

And given that SH2 doens't use a lot of dynamic lights, it's likely they're doing it here too

Which can at times result in that if not done correctly

And done correctly is not a term I'd use to describe Bloober team

Altough Bloober did also have RT functionality for the medium

ANd given that this is PS5... You'd assume they would use it here too?

[kind moss]

reminds me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtLKEcuCiBQ

[cinder socket]

lmao

[vagrant hazel]

Wh-

Wha

Why is thi-

HUH

[kind moss]

remember layers of fears 2023 with unreal engine 5. I think it uses RT but i dont know if its rtgi or just rt reflections. I dont like how they discarded some of the art style from the original and changed for some random blue filter

[vagrant hazel]

WHAT

[kind moss]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkmtXlN_qwo

the remake looks better but soulless ath the same time

[kind moss]

its a mod for gta vice city, the original xbox version. It was "lost media" for a lot of years until 2023

[vagrant hazel]

This is the funniest fucking shit I've ever seen

[kind moss]

ive seen funniest fucking shit. Related to silent hill, in the earliest 2010 there was a mod for GTA IV, you could use the skin of james but for some reason the head wont load properly so the character would glitch randomly showing only your eyes and your mouth. The more random thing of this mod was that the head could glitch so bad that would end melting in your feet

apparently that mod is lost media too, i cant find it. It was really funny for me

[cinder socket]

That's exactly my impression of SH2R

It looks good, sometimes great in a technical sense

but it lacks a lot of Masahiro Ito that made SH2 what it was

[kind moss]

i could do better

[cinder socket]

I did too

[kind moss]

james could create walls and i think some random ass dancing moves would be great ad to the game

and dont forget to behind some weapons behind microtransaction, people love that

[hexed gyro]

and camels to collect, hidden around the map

or maybe even alpacas

[vagrant hazel]

Really missing the sharpness my textures have in a normal renderer

DLSS really do be fuckin' them over big time haha

[dapper oyster]

FSR & TAA could have done worse

[vagrant hazel]

And when I say "Normal renderer" I really mean 3D's max's horrendous viewport

But still

[dapper oyster]

Sometimes i choose 4K with no AA to achieve more sharpness but some flickering textures looks like crap without time based antialiasing

[vagrant hazel]

Heh yeah same!

Just feels a bit rough when you spent lots of effort hand painting details into textures only for DLSS to smudge it all out anyway X)

Here, enjoy urinal albedo.

But I also do have to play the game on ultra DLSS performance since I'm on a 2070 super

Anyone with a better card than me should get MUCH better visuals out of my mod

Feeling like the texture on the sink is good enough now! Again this is just the 3D's max viewport with an envmap so no pathtraced goodness happening here

[ivory briar]

@vagrant hazel as a few band-aid solutions to this, for your own use:
-you can disable the denoising part of DLSS if you press alt+x, go to the developer menu, maximise the "denoising" dropdown, and then disable it. you'll see noise elsewhere but it reduces the blurring considerably
-the alternative, which keeps denoising on but allows some more details to come through, is to go to lighting, maximise the RTXDI tab, and then disable RTXDI. this might result in worse direct lighting in some circumstances but also gives you back some of the detail which, I guess, direct lighting is trying to simulate better representation of. it also saves a bit of performance

[vagrant hazel]

Ooooooh, good stuff! I shall give it a shot next time I'm in game! Thanks for the heads up ^^

[cinder socket]

Yeh

[high leaf]

i liked the short messege tbh, i dont blame them there's only so much you can do with one town lol

but i thought they wouldn't do chase fights lmaoo look what happened with shattered memories

[gaunt wedge]

any word on implementing the ability to change DLSS presets? it'd help a lot with these types of issues

[ivory briar]

You should already be able to from the alt + x menu

[vagrant hazel]

Alright, time to sit down and do this

Gotta nuke the whole project because it's corrupted from early access

FRESH START LESS GOOO

[vagrant hazel]

Yoooooooooooooooo the particle fog works now

Not the distance stuff but the particles do

However instead the game now has begun randomly crashing after 10-20 seconds and the menus are now a hard crash too

Running debug built now at least so might be able to figure out wtf is oging on

[woven mist]

No way

[hexed gyro]

Ah, same as me?

About the menus crashing

[vagrant hazel]

Don't know, possibly

Did you submit your logs so they can look?

[hexed gyro]

Ohh, no I didn't

I forgot

I've just turned off my pc to relax though

I'll have to do it tomorrow

[vagrant hazel]

Did some testing and can confirm that the inventory menu being slow as shit is indeed a remix issue though

Does not happen on the normal version

[hexed gyro]

Ah, yeah for me inventory just crashed my game instantly

Same for settings

I'll send my logs in tomorrow in a report though

[vagrant hazel]

It does on this debug build I'm using now, the in-game inventory that is

Opens and after half a sec, dead

[hexed gyro]

Hmm

Yeah, very similar to me

Why would it be happening with slightly older remix versions I've used, and only a debug build for you?

[vagrant hazel]

I dunno

I ain't no programmer

[hexed gyro]

Very weird

[hexed gyro]

I didn't ask if you were

[vagrant hazel]

What I'm saying with that is that this stuff is too complex for me to understand

[hexed gyro]

Ah

[vagrant hazel]

I have no clue what's going on, and their programmers need to look at it

Not me

[hexed gyro]

Yeah sorry if I sounded a bit defensive there

[vagrant hazel]

Oh fucking great

Updated my gpu drivers

And now my secondary monitors don't work

YAY

[hexed gyro]

Woowwww

Seems like it's your lucky day today apparently

[vagrant hazel]

mmmhm..

[proper grail]

I tried SH2 yesterday and it crashed for me as well. Just randomly with a quick buzz sound

[gaunt wedge]

i don't mean Quality, Balanced, etc. I'm referring to these:

[ivory briar]

this I don't know, DLSS isn't really my end of things 😅

[hexed gyro]

[cinder socket]

[vague citrus]

mark would know!

[gaunt wedge]

i already talked with him about it

[viral glade]

I have a little less bugs running the driver without Geforce Experience (Nvcleanstall) and other things that come with it (shadowplay overlay, HDCP disabled, Ansel removed, etc), maybe that's an interesting point to mention to the RTX Remix devs, but because it's not an ""official driver"", I don't know if they would take it into consideration

This actually happened in all games with RTX Remix

[vagrant hazel]

Hmmm, so the game is basically non-functional with the latest update stuff. I can't get far enough into the game that I even have the time to grab a capture of the first room.

[hexed gyro]

wow

[vagrant hazel]

So until things are sorted I won't really be able to do any work

[cinder socket]

https://tenor.com/view/silent-hill-silent-hill2-james-sunderland-sad-depressed-gif-27628054

[hexed gyro]

You could always keep working on a previous build?

idk how well that would carry over when you go to a new build again though

[vagrant hazel]

The previous early access builds are what caused the issues I was having

I'd rather not go back to them

[hexed gyro]

oh

[cinder socket]

I disagree with that new direction, but that's been kinda going on since SH4

The biggest issue imo is that future projects will likely not be any consistent about it, as the IP continues to switch hands as ever, ah the curse of SH that began with Homecoming

plot canon had gotten convoluted after SH4 and the comics

It used to be some sort of perma-curse of a vengeful native Indian deity, so now the fog is a being that calls people from anywhere in the world into its purgatory to feed from their misfortunes, which honestly devalues the whole concept

but here we are

Silent Helling, rather than Silent Hilling

https://fxtwitter.com/_claypot/status/1752930472647143667

[viral glade]

maybe we can improve some things in the game with mods, idk if UE5 is as friendly as the UE4 for mods but lets try 🙂

[hexed gyro]

Ue5

Tbh? Idk

It depends entirely on how the dev does it

[gaunt wedge]

do you mean Remix updates, toolkit updates, or the game mod update things?

[vagrant hazel]

Runtime!

[dapper oyster]

Silent Healing - THE BEST MENTAL HOSPITAL😉

[hexed gyro]

Silent Hauling

[vagrant hazel]

https://twitter.com/manfightdragon/status/1754349247389221093

Lance McDonald (@manfightdragon) on X

Before working on Silent Hill: The Short Message, Konami planned to have an internal team remake Silent Hill 2 instead on a smaller scale than the current Bloober Team remake. Some proof-of-concept footage of this appeared in a recent interview.

Twitter · Feb 5, 2024, 3:40 AM

[lunar dome]

Hey Traggey, are you still around right now?

[vagrant hazel]

Hi! I'm about!

[lunar dome]

I took a look at what you sent back for https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/292 this morning, and unfortunately I think either logAllCalls = True was not set in the bridge.conf file or Remix wasn't able to find or parse the bridge.conf file, because I see no call logging on the bridge.

[vagrant hazel]

Oh hmmm

Curious

Let's seee

@lunar domehttps://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/293#issuecomment-1925360153

Does this one have the same issue?

Latest comment

I can't actually get in game and test things properly right now due to
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/402

[lunar dome]

Looks like it, you would see something like

[16:59:27.165] info:  Effective configuration:
[16:59:27.165] info:    logAllCalls = True

in the logs if it's picking up the config.

[vagrant hazel]

Aah okay, the ones in the comment I posted above are from the same areas in the game

So they should be alright too

None of them contain the flashlight though

I currently can not try to turn on the flashlight as the inventory causes an instant crash of the game

[lunar dome]

If the logs are on, crashing is fine, it could help diagnose what's going on.

[vagrant hazel]

Roger, I'll grab new logs of that and make a new ticket for the crash too

It's interesting because in previous versions it caused the inventory and certain menus to lag a ton, leading to an eventual freeze

[lunar dome]

Let me know if you need help figuring that out

[vagrant hazel]

Now however it's an instant crash

[lunar dome]

that out being, turning on logging

[vagrant hazel]

Any assistance appreciate for sure, my artist brain don't compute these things too well

Oh well logging SHOULD be on I believe

Let's see

I'm running the debug build

[lunar dome]

is bridge.conf next to the NvRemixBridge.exe file?

and does it contain logAllCalls = True?

Two common issues are leaving the # character before the option, which comments it out (disables it) or setting it to "true" instead of "True", the bridge currently only accepts "True".

[vagrant hazel]

Bridge.conf is indeed next to NvRemixBridge.Exe and does indeed contain logallcalls

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh, oh yeah that'd be it

The instructions on the github didn't mention that

So this is nono

This is all good?

[lunar dome]

That should do it

[vagrant hazel]

Roger

Might be good to note to add that detail to the github instructions!

[lunar dome]

In the issue itself or is there particular documentation you are referencing?

[vagrant hazel]

When we press

We are presented with a template

Containing info on how to set that up

But it didn't mention the symbol at the start, so I thought it was supposed to be left in

On the Github that is!

[lunar dome]

That's good feedback, thanks!

[vagrant hazel]

🫡

Okay, taking a few logs for you here

Let's see

[lunar dome]

Thanks, if you can please post them to the github issue tracker. It's really hard for me to keep track of files/threads on discord.

[vagrant hazel]

Aye! Will do!

This is very interesting

So yesterday the inventory was causing me to instantly crash, previously it was just SUPER slow with occasional crashes

Now, after a restart, it's back to SUPER slow rather than crashing

But other users have reported the insta crashes too

[lunar dome]

Did this all start happening after a particular commit?

[vagrant hazel]

No this has always been this way

What started happening recently is https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/402

I have however installed a clean version of the game with the Enhanced Edition mod just to confirm that they're not base game issues

And they are not

[lunar dome]

Ah okay, so previously it was just crashing and now it's slow before eventually crashing sometimes, and just crashes like before other times?

[vagrant hazel]

So, me and Alex are the ones who have been testing.

According to Alex they have always experienced it as a hard crash.
For me it has always been slow but without the crash, however the longer you spent on the menu the slower and slower it would get until it reached a point of unplayability

However, yesterday for me I too started experiencing it as an instant crash instead of the slowing problem

But TODAY, on the exact same install with the same remix files, it's no longer insta crashing, and instead is showing the slowing down problem again.

However as far as I know, Alex has always experienced it as an insta-crash and never the slow down issue

Okay there we go, @lunar dome

I've updated.

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/292
And
https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/402

( With the same log files )

I've also created a new ticket for the inventory/menu issue
This one contains unique logs

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/405

[lunar dome]

Thanks, just to confirm, were these also ran with the Debug build?

[vagrant hazel]

Yes indeed!

dxvk-remix-876eb35-419-debugoptimized
bridge-remix-0bc8984-54-debugoptimized

[lunar dome]

You have given me more feedback just now

Because the logging only works in debug, not debug optimized, and that's probably a bit confusing

[vagrant hazel]

Ooooooooooooooooh

Well that explains why my logs aren't doing what they should be haha

[lunar dome]

I have it in my to-do list to change the logging code so DebugOptimized can log too, so this is even more reason to get that done soon 😄

[vagrant hazel]

Downloading the debug build to grab the logs again! Should I remove the comments on the github tickets?

[lunar dome]

No need to erase the history, it could be a learning lesson for someone else perhaps?

[vagrant hazel]

True!

[lunar dome]

And mistakes like this are good, I can always point to them later as evidence of something being confusing or unintuitive

[vagrant hazel]

Well

We've got a problem

The game doesn't launch with the debug build

[lunar dome]

What happens?

[vagrant hazel]

Opens to a black screen for about 2-3 seconds then closes itself

[lunar dome]

still might be interesting, can you post that screengrab and the logs to at least one of the issues?

[vagrant hazel]

Roger that cap

[lunar dome]

Debug + Logging is going to be super slow, so that might be triggering a new symptom

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah that makes sense! ''ppreciate you taking the time and guiding me through this ^^

[lunar dome]

I appreciate you taking the time to get this info 👍

[vagrant hazel]

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/405

Added as a comment to this one

[lunar dome]

Okay so this is a bit weird, it's failing to load DXVK-remix

is there a d3d9.dll in the .trex folder?

[vagrant hazel]

There is indeed!

[lunar dome]

Is that one also he latest github build?

[vagrant hazel]

I downloaded it through the auto downloader just now

[lunar dome]

The dxvk-remix log looks stale so I think it did actually fail to load.

[vagrant hazel]

dxvk-remix-d8a3c8a-425-debug
bridge-remix-0bc8984-54-debug

[lunar dome]

Oh can you try with the release dxvk-remix?

It doesn't need to be in debug mode for the bridge to grab logs.

thankfully

[vagrant hazel]

HMm okay so you want me to replace some stuff in here with files the the normal-non debug build?

The auto downloader grabs this for me, so I just slap these into my directory normally

[lunar dome]

yeah just take the whole dxvk-remix release folder and copy it into the .trex folder

I don't use the autodownloader personally, so I don't know much about it

[vagrant hazel]

They don't get separated into different folders in the auto downloader so I'm not entirely sure which files that'd be

[lunar dome]

ah

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/dxvk-remix/actions/runs/7789766353/artifacts/1221494035

[vagrant hazel]

🫡

[lunar dome]

What about that download? Tt should be the latest dxvk-remix release build

[vagrant hazel]

Roger that, just dump this one into .trex?

Well, override the .trex files with these rather

Ooooh

Uh oh

Okay, different things are happening

Loads for about 5 seconds, this pops up, game crashes and freezes pc for 10-20 seconds then the game dies

[lunar dome]

Well, that's info

      case IDirect3DDevice9Ex_EndScene:
      {
        GET_RES(pD3DDevice, gpD3DDevices);
        const auto hresult = pD3DDevice->EndScene();
        assert(SUCCEEDED(hresult));
        SEND_OPTIONAL_SERVER_RESPONSE(hresult, currentUID);
        break;
      }

we are being told that EndScene() did not give us a "successful" response.

I don't know how much time you want to spend on this, I have a couple more ideas for tests to run, but I understand your time is valuable so I don't want you to feel like I am taking too much of it

[vagrant hazel]

I plan on spending the forseeable future developing this mod, I can most assuredly spare some time for the people making it possible 😉

[lunar dome]

Okay so let me provide some context, SEND_OPTIONAL_SERVER_RESPONSE(hresult, currentUID); means, by default don't tell the game the actual result of this command, let it assume it succeeded. This is an important optimization that can really speed up the bridge and works in many cases, but there are instances where the original game does something sketchy or expected to fail on purpose.

We can configure the bridge to ALWAYS send these optional responses by setting # sendAllServerResponses = False in the bridge.conf to sendAllServerResponses = True .

And then we can bypass the assert by just using a release build

So that would be the test

using a release build of the bridge and dxvk-remix, set # sendAllServerResponses = False in the bridge.conf to sendAllServerResponses = True ( no leading #) and see if the behaviour changes.

[vagrant hazel]

Roger that! So the expected behaviour change I'm looking for is what exactly?

[lunar dome]

I'm completely unsure, by some miracle it might not crash, or it might just crash differently.

[vagrant hazel]

Right so we're talking about the random time crash or the startup one?

Because it doesn't crash on startup with the regular-non debug builds

The debug build is the only one that fails to launch

[lunar dome]

Ah that makes sense, it's only crashing on that assert, I'm still curious to see if the behavior changes at all. We've had a few bugs recently where this has helped.

[vagrant hazel]

Alright, I'll give it a shot!

[lunar dome]

No promises though, if I knew what was wrong you'd probably have a fix already. 🤞

[vagrant hazel]

Makes perfect sense haha

For reference I do work in games dev so I spent a lot of time every day doing this kind of stuff, however I'm a lead artist so it's usually on the other side of the business hah

So bear with my confusion!

[lunar dome]

It's good to learn where the pain points are for the process, some of them are unfortunately unavoidable or have trade-offs between options, but it's good to improve where we can.

[vagrant hazel]

Aye for sure! It's a good thing we're in beta huh 😄

Will test asap, just re-installing the game from CD to get a hold of some of the clean files

Gotta be better with my backups

Alright

This look correct?

Excellent

[lunar dome]

We'll be able to see in the logs if it took

[vagrant hazel]

Oh shit forgot to enable and disable all the settings the game needs to run

Time to go read my own guide lol

WOaaaaaaaaaaaah

Okay this has resulted in some REALLY weird behaviour

Let me see if I can record it

So the game starts as you'd expect it to now, I can once again load into game and with fallback lights enabled I can see that it's functional

However

You start in the bathroom, and walk towards the first level load trigger

Where it should ordinarily load into the first outside area of the game

It instead returns you to the intro splashscreen of the game and crashes

[gaunt wedge]

if you turn on debug mode, do you see anything while that's happening?

[vagrant hazel]

If I do what now

[gaunt wedge]

in Remix, the debug mode

[vagrant hazel]

The one we use to identify hashes and stuff?

[gaunt wedge]

ya

[vagrant hazel]

Iiii'll give it a look!

Enabling debug view caused the game to crash hah

Let me try again

Nah debug view leads to the same result

Cuts to the splashscreen when leaving the bathroom

[lunar dome]

Is this more progress than before?

[vagrant hazel]

Not on the release build no, normally on release build the game is fully playable with the exception being the inventory breaking the game and no lights being present

On the optimized Debug build I was using earlier and yesterday I also got farther, I could exit the bathroom and play for another 20-30 seconds or so before an eventual crash happens

[lunar dome]

What does the NvRemixBridge.log contain?

[vagrant hazel]

However it IS much further than the debug build haha

Let's see!

[lunar dome]

So the x64 side of the bridge is crashing, could be either dxvk-remix or the bridge server. So just to clarify, if you just disable sendAllServerResponses, you can actually go further without crashing?

[vagrant hazel]

I'll try!

[lunar dome]

I'm trying to understand exactly what was meant by

Not on the release build no, normally on release build the game is fully playable with the exception being the inventory breaking the game and no lights being present

[vagrant hazel]

Oh right so! You asked if I got farther than before, I'm not sure if you mean that as when compared to the debug build testing we did earlier, or farther than I normally get when using the standard non-debug release builds

[lunar dome]

What you normally get with release builds

[vagrant hazel]

Ah, no this is nowhere near it!

On the normal release builds I could technically play through the entire game if I use fallback lights and cheats to skip the puzzles that need you to use the inventory

[lunar dome]

And this is currently release builds + sendAllServerResponses = True ?

[vagrant hazel]

Yes!

Going to test with false now

[lunar dome]

Thank you!

[vagrant hazel]

False returns the game to what it was originally, I can leave as usual but the eventual time crash is back

Should I grab a video?

[lunar dome]

That is super suspicious to me honestly.

Yeah I won't complain about more data about the issue.

[vagrant hazel]

I'm wondering if this is related to something the enhanced edition team does?

[lunar dome]

This is all completely absent on the non-enhanced edition?

[vagrant hazel]

The non-enhanced edition is completely unplayable due to securom

So I've never been able to test it

[lunar dome]

With remix or just completely unplayable?

[vagrant hazel]

Modern windows blocks securom

[lunar dome]

Ah

[vagrant hazel]

So even though I have the CD, the game can not be played

Something they did for security reasons as Securom was a nest of security issues

[lunar dome]

So I'm going to wrap up, since I am a bit out of possible things to test and gather info on for now, but can we go through the recently openned issues for Silent Hill 22 : Enhanced Edition and qualify when they started occurring?

[vagrant hazel]

Sure!

[lunar dome]

#292 #293 were always issues?

[vagrant hazel]

Uploading video to youtube atm!

Let's see

[vagrant hazel]

Yes, these two have always been a problem ever since the game began booting with remix!

[lunar dome]

And #402 is exclusive to the debug-optimized build?

[vagrant hazel]

No! This one is present in all builds

It's what you'll see at the end of the video I'm uploading rn

[lunar dome]

Okay so recent builds are slow even in release?

[vagrant hazel]

Not exactly, the issue has a very clear "Starting point"

The game will run as expected and the suddenly begin slowing down

About 5 seconds of that, and then you get a freeze with a loud screeching noise

But yes, that is present in the release build as well!

Also just for the record! You'll see it in the video uploaded and it has nothing to do with the slowdown caused by the now visible fog particles.
These particles were not visible in earlier builds and thus did not cause the extreme slowdown that you'll see from them, but the same crash still occured

Just to establish that those two are probably not related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GtEJk8mk_g

Here's the video

[lunar dome]

With that hang at the end, do you still hear audio?

[vagrant hazel]

There's a very loud screeching sound and sometimes the game audio can still be heard after that yes

[lunar dome]

Okay, that's good to know.

[vagrant hazel]

🫡

[lunar dome]

And then lastly, #405

Is that a new thing or particular to a certain build?

[vagrant hazel]

Present in all builds! Sometimes it manifests as a hard crash and other times as a progressive slowdown leading to a crash

[lunar dome]

So all these issues basically have always happened with Silent Hill 2 Enhanced Edition, ever since it started booting?

[vagrant hazel]

Yes, all of my tickets are issues that have always been present in the game

Actually no

Now I'm lying

Sorry it's late here haha

402

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/402

This is brand new

[lunar dome]

but 405 is always

[vagrant hazel]

Yes!

[lunar dome]

Okay I'm going to compile some of this conversation too and add comments, can you add any logs or videos or snapshots to the respective issues too?

Thank you again for the help!

[vagrant hazel]

I can definitely add the video! The logs I might have to look at uploading in a few days, gotta hit the sack soon as I'm going on a worktrip in the morning

[lunar dome]

Even just the video is good, thanks

[vagrant hazel]

Gotta sort what the ones I sent in discord actually are

Also worth mentioning that I've logged the issues at the bottom of my guide document too - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hayGXNlAJZWOp2ivV8otdSMP23pbXk7DL-pfLq5ZJjU/edit

But I think all of these are translated for the Github now

[lunar dome]

Oh and if you don't mind me asking, you said you worked in art, any games I might have heard of?

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh uh! Amnesia: A machine for pigs, SOMA, Luna Abyss and currently lead art on Vrising! Those are probably the ones that people would actually know of haha

[lunar dome]

What a resume!

Did you work on Battlerite too or was that before you?

[vagrant hazel]

Trust me there's a whole lot of trash hidden in that resume too XD

[vagrant hazel]

No I joined for Vrising specifically, although handpainted character art IS my main thing and was part of why they picked me up for the lead art role

[lunar dome]

VRising is gorgeous, and if anyone from Battlerite is around, let them know I absolutely loved that game and the art was a big part of it.

I'll stop pestering you so you can go to bed, thanks again for the debugging session.

[vagrant hazel]

Oh hell yeah mate! That's awesome, I'll make sure to let'em know! You get me an adress and I can send you some battlerite stickers 😉

Got'em laying about all over the place

And yes thank you! Was great to sit down and get this looked through!

[vagrant hazel]

@lunar domeI just had a eureka moment

[lunar dome]

?

[vagrant hazel]

I know what 402 is

I had a similar issue during early access testing, but back then it only happened if Mesh Enhancements were enabled so I didn't connect the two, because I don't have any replacements enabled now

#1197676357711319070 message

It's this.

It was supposed to have been fixed in the build mentioned in the thread, but appears to be back and affects things even when enhancements are NOT in use

I disabled Opacity Micromaps and ran around for a while just now and can no longer recreate the crash

[lunar dome]

That's definitely a datapoint!

[vagrant hazel]

Heck yeah I'm smart

@gaunt wedge Give me a cookie

https://tenor.com/view/gamercat-cookies-ambitious-businessman-gif-5904316

[gaunt wedge]

congrats 😛

[vagrant hazel]

My old enemies coming back to haunt me

[hexed gyro]

How about inventory and settings?

[vagrant hazel]

No that's a separate issue

[hexed gyro]

Ah

[cinder socket]

just realized I confused Short Message with f

[cinder socket]

Any improvements after the new runtime update?

[spark sandal]

oh shit soma mention that game is fucking incredible man

[hexed gyro]

it amazes me that short message is popular???

[cinder socket]

I mean, in current year the og quadology fans are the vocal minority by this point

[hexed gyro]

true

[cinder socket]

like I said, it's alright but like the later SH games after Homecoming, it's barely an SH game

[hexed gyro]

tbh I feel like they should have just stopped after 3

1 2 and 3 are seen as good games

and there isnt really tons of story that takes place in the same town constantly

Resident evil managed to break out of its starting town fairly well imo

[cinder socket]

I consider 4 to be one but in a bit of a reach, since there's someone technically invoking Silent Hill so I'm counting it

5/Homecoming is more SH than 4 in terms of the fact it takes place in the town itself

Origins too

[hexed gyro]

I wanna see a resident evil where you play as a child

like, not being able to defend yourself

[cinder socket]

RE2 og/Remake

but that's pretty much it as far as I can recall

[hexed gyro]

sorry I meant silent hill

lol

[cinder socket]

lmao

[hexed gyro]

I was just about to recall the scenes where you play as that little girl in re2

[cinder socket]

Wouldn't work though, since SH's deity simply doesn't take innocent subjects, especially not children

[hexed gyro]

ahh

[cinder socket]

but phases one in and out of its realm safely for its own purposes, if related to the subject(s) like Laura

[hexed gyro]

what if the kid was a murderer

[cinder socket]

damn

we getting deep into lore tech

[hexed gyro]

and burnt their house down with their parents inside?

not so innocent anymore

[hexed gyro]

how many people in silent hill 2 are real?

[cinder socket]

I wouldn't know, technically Alessa is a child but she wasn't a murderer

[hexed gyro]

i always just assumed if there were more people in the town, that they all just got placed in their own pocket universe each

[cinder socket]

and the deity allowed her to continue existing and growing (detail based on movie) while being taken care of by an enslaved Lisa Garland (SH1 lore)

[cinder socket]

that's the principle

[hexed gyro]

ew, the movie

[hexed gyro]

but is eddie real?

he seems real

[cinder socket]

He's real

[hexed gyro]

and james interacts with him

and the girl, laura

I assume shes real

[cinder socket]

according to the comics, the deity may lead its subjects to interact with each other, the stronger their bonds, even more so

just for its own purposes or to lead its tormented subjects into either redemption or further torment, which then the deity consumes if when they die

[hexed gyro]

is maria fake tho?

like

just a figment to mimic james' dead wife

the one he murdered?

[cinder socket]

Yup, rather a figment of James'

but the lore aspects of why and how idk

[hexed gyro]

I really hope the remake has fun gameplay at least

it probably won't though, but we'll see

I wonder how they're gonna handle the key behind the gate scene, since the original relies on you already having seen it due to camera perspective

[cinder socket]

who knows, Bloober are known to miss the point of things

maybe they realized that after The Medium

[hexed gyro]

I mean, The Medium still sounds like a cool concept

but

it was so boring

[cinder socket]

but a failed narrative

[hexed gyro]

yeah

outlast is more fun but its basically the same thing

no combat, lots of things to interact with

walking around

but its so much better

[cinder socket]

Outlast is more thriller horror, even if it tries a bit of the psychological elements

I'm trying my best to be give Bloober Team the benefit of the doubt

but with so many games in tow so far until The Medium, I could hardly not expect the worst

[hexed gyro]

I mean they missed the mark on blair witch and the medium, imo

so....

how many times are you gonna give them the benefit of the doubt lmao

[dapper oyster]

https://twitter.com/LostinSilentH/status/1755243872215543969

Lost in Silent Hill (@LostinSilentH) on X

Playstation UK has deleted the yesterday’s tweet about Silent Hill 2 Remake

Twitter · Feb 7, 2024, 2:55 PM

[cinder socket]

best uk humour

[quaint estuary]

https://youtu.be/377H3K9jAGA?si=rnvC_dTwXcIn2Spm

They are keep updating Amazing 😍

https://youtu.be/CiyNH1OnuWE?si=SMuGOtJl1k16rzrV

[vagrant hazel]

These videos are reaaaally old mate X) But yeah, they're updating it pretty steadily

Makes me happy to be working on this project on top of what they're doing

[quaint estuary]

thought so u will already know...such a dedication is very appreciable..i can feel your dedication too which totally shows in your work..

[vagrant hazel]

Alwaysw looking forward to their next updates ^^ They do wonderful work

Although it does make me a bit scared that they'll change something drastically so that my mod will stop working haha

[quaint estuary]

yea...no they will stay true to it i am sure...

[vagrant hazel]

If you check their twitter have recently been editing and changing models and textures a lot

Which has been pretty controversial

Because they've changed how some of the things look and feel

But thankfully, they make all of their mods into packages in the installer, so you can just choose to not install the things you don't want

[quaint estuary]

thats better....i think they are trying to make better models to look more 3d ...but none one can satisfy the whole world...

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah for sure!

As long as they keep the game compatible with remix I'm happy haha XD

[quaint estuary]

fingers crossed

[vagrant hazel]

Little update! Been making more materials!

Some rocky materials for use in the forest areas etc!

Aaaand today, I made some base asphalt!

[tacit vessel]

Might not be a complete lost case, although definitely will require effort to retool. What does the "hard limit" look like? The game crashing at a certain point, maybe starting to chug at first as you increase the vert count? The actual model files probably can store plenty enough verts on their own, peeps loved using shorts for counts back then. Being a ps2 game it probably uses triangle strips, so the pc port probably spams a bunch of draw calls with tiny strips, so that would absolutely murder the cpu with real dense models, one thing that would have to be changed for batched index buffers. Might have some ass shit like a chunk of space in the data segment of the exe used as allocation buffer instead of using actual dynamic allocation, but none of this sounds like anything too complex for the enhanced edition dudes if they were to bother

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeeh, I had hoped to avoid having to mod the core game itself but it might be the only way, although yeah I'd definitely need help from people like the EE team because there's no way in heck I'm figuring that out on my own haha

[vagrant hazel]

Sat down and just did some general playstesting today with all the latest runtimes and such just to see how things are holding up

Disabling the mesh opacity thing definitely helped with the crashing problems so now the project is kind of back to where it was originally when the game first started booting!

Which is an improvement from the last few builds haha

And I've managed to get the particle fog rendering okay"ish" now, which is also an improvement from before, however all of the reported issues for the project are still very much about, no flashlight, no distance fog, can't really use the in-game menus and inventories etc

I'll keep doing my thing but doesn't seem like the game will be properly playable any time soon

Sadly I still can't get the debug build to even start with the game

Could really use some help fetching logs and submitting those to the tickets

[vagrant hazel]

Slowly getting back into this, new project set up and my assets are imported again

Heightmaps still don't seem to work, can't figure out why, gotta start poking at that and fixing some other things

Like for some reason the Albedos don't seem to use the correct gammaspace anymore, they're much more contrasty than they used to be

Buuut at least it's up and rolling again

[grizzled coral]

I wonder it'll look like the FMV cutscenes

[vagrant hazel]

Ideally I'd like to push it further than that ^^

[grizzled coral]

For me, I kinda want consistency since the FMV models have a charm to them and aged pretty well

[vagrant hazel]

There's a lot of issues with those however

For example if you pay attention you'll notice that the wall behind James in the FMV doesn't actually match the wall in the in-game bathroom

The graffiti and damage on it are completely different

You'll also notice that in the FMV, the lighting is completely different from the actual in game version

Notice how James face is lit from the right and up here

But if you look at the actual room, there is no light there, just a pipe

The FMV uses highly specialized and faked lights to make things look good and pop, to set the mood they wanted for them

However I can't replicate those lights in the game, because it would make absolutely no sense to have a light just coming out of a pipe on the wall

All in all, I will definitely be taking inspiration from it all, especially when remaking james's model if I ever get to a point when skeletal replacements are possible

But it's never going to be a match to the FMV's, because the FMV's are not actually a match to the game

[grizzled coral]

I always dreamed of a more what if sh2 looked like the fmv's since the models themselves are really made that's what im talking about not so much the textures or lighting just the models themselves

[vagrant hazel]

Aah right, well I'm definitely taking inspiration from them for when I remake the character models, however tech has come a long way and there's a lot of things that can be done better now

FOr example james's jacket kinda looks like plastic in the original FMV's

Was just a bit of a limitation of the tech for the time

Wheras today, I can make it look like proper cloth

[cinder socket]

Looking good

[cinder socket]

the closest thing I guess is to have a light of similar strength on the ceiling around that specific area

[vagrant hazel]

Yeaah but that wouldn't make any sense from the gameplay perspective

It's something they did specifically for the FMV because it looked good there

But as my plan is using my new assets to remake the FMV's regardless it's all good, as I can just recreate those lighting setups in unreal for the FMV specifically

Just like the original game

[cinder socket]

Hmm, in situations like these, level modders would be great to have to experiment

despite the visual overhaul with Remix, the bathroom looks empty and liminal

[vagrant hazel]

Oh yeah that's 100 % my fault though

It's just because things like decals don't work yet

What fills out the space a lot in the original is the grime and graffitti

None of that exists in my version because the toolkit doesn't support decals yet

[cinder socket]

oh, makes sense

well I guess it's still early to go full force

Remix itself still needs a bit more work

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah as much as I would love to just sit down and produce all the content needed, fact is that remix itself still has a long way to go both in terms of features it supports in the tookit, and also just how it runs with the game

Lots of things that I want to do with the environment atm that I simply can't do

So it's a bit of a waiting game

[cinder socket]

that's the real silent hill

🫠

[vagrant hazel]

I'd say 80 % of my time working on this project right now is just debugging and problem hunting/fixing

[vagrant hazel]

Haha yeah basically X)

[hexed gyro]

Wow extremely impressive

[vagrant hazel]

Cheers mate! It's slowly getting somewhere, not something I'm happy with yet haha

Buuut it's a start

[vagrant hazel]

Let's gooooooooooo-oooo--o-o-ooo

[woven mist]

🧐

[vagrant hazel]

Aw heeeeeeeell yes!

[woven mist]

You ordered from mondo's shop? or fangamer?

[vagrant hazel]

Fangamer!

[woven mist]

Interested in what color of vinyl did you get

it's always different color, because of eco-vinyl

I ordered from mondo, with static color, but I really love 1st press

with bloody, foggy vinyls

[vagrant hazel]

I'll have to peek! I haven't opened them yet, I'm moving in a week so packing everything away

[woven mist]

Wtf

it's not steam avalible

you trippin

[hexed gyro]

You can add non steam games to it

[woven mist]

😮

[hexed gyro]

It's likely just emulated

Or the pc version

Added as a non steam game

[glass nimbus]

emulated then u use the steam rom manager and u can add them in the library!

I did follow the pinned message but...

[vagrant hazel]

Hmm, I'm on a worktrip atm so I'll have to get back to you when I'm home again!

It looks to me light maybe you just don't have any fallback lights enabled?

[glass nimbus]

I kinda fixed it by setting these textures as world space or something, but I do hope I won't have to do it for every scene..

[vagrant hazel]

Don't do that

By doing that you're usually just outputting the rasterized image

[glass nimbus]

oh

[vagrant hazel]

Remix can't detect silent hill 2's lighting, so until my replaced lights are available to use, you'll have to enable fallback lighting and set it to a sphere, a distance of around 2000 usually works okay for most scenes in the game

Or you could place lights yourself in a capture

Either that, or help me submit logs to the github issue about lights

So that we can maybe get some attention on the problem

[paper zinc]

I’ve sent a telegram to Mark, hopefully he gets it.

[vagrant hazel]

Hahaha thanks XD

[vagrant hazel]

Hm?

[glass nimbus]

where's the fallback lighnting option? also sorry I forgot to add the text

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh right uh

It's really stupidly hidden

Game Setup > Parameter Tuning

[paper zinc]

Game setup> parameters

Fug

[vagrant hazel]

OR

Here, just replace your RTX.conf with mine

Wait I don't remember if I have it enabled there..

Oh well you should replace it with mine anyway as mine turns off a bunch of features that makes SH2 crash

[glass nimbus]

thank u !

[vagrant hazel]

( Thanks Micro Opacity maps, very cool )

[glass nimbus]

This is funny

[vagrant hazel]

Oh damn XD

Yeah uh, without replacement lights and assets it tends to look pretty sinky

If you leave the bathroom though you should get a more decent view

[glass nimbus]

You were right

Looks like reality

[vagrant hazel]

OH UH

[glass nimbus]

XD

[vagrant hazel]

Turn off volumetric lighting

It's shit

When you have fallback enabled

[glass nimbus]

ill go look for it

[vagrant hazel]

Under lighting in the main tab

There's one called "Froxel whatever whatever"

At the bottom of the froxel tab you can turn it off

It's currently broken when saving though, so it will turn on automatically EVERY SINGLE TIME you start the game

It's really annoying

[glass nimbus]

HELLA BETTER

caps. Sorry.

[vagrant hazel]

Aw yeah ^^

You can make that specific scene look better too by marking the "Skybox" pictures as "Sky" under textures

However I'd recommend against it as it causes issues in the rest of the game

ANd my intention is to completely replace them with a 3D skybox anyway

[glass nimbus]

everything changes depending on my cursor position?

[vagrant hazel]

THaaaat's

Really fucking weird, I've never seen that

This, is why I love having other people test!

Because I'm sure there are other problems that I haven't found

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah that's really odd, honestly no clue what could cause that

[proper grail]

Are you just talking about the texture selection? you can select textures by clicking on them and they're outlined when you move your mouse over them

[glass nimbus]

talking about the fog

[glass nimbus]

actually cvlosing the menu helps........

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah that's super curious, can't replicate on my end I'm afraid

[proper grail]

It's just the RTX Remix texture selection overlay, nothing to do with the fog or the game rendering. Everything is greyed out except for the texture your cursor is on. If it's full screen then it's some fullscreen buffer you're on

[vagrant hazel]

It doesn't behave that way on my end though 😛

[brave stream]

any updates?

[vagrant hazel]

Remix has been giving me shit for a bit, and I moved a couple of weeks ago to a new town so things have been busy on my end!

Buuut

I did work on the bathroom stalls!

This is rendered with Unreal Engine 5's pathtracer, not remix

But yeah, been getting the doors and metal bits for the stalls up and running

Still waiting for remix to actually support decals

Bathroom is way too clean and bland looking without them

Oooh and I did something fun yesterday... But I'll have to update ya'll on that after work

[vagrant hazel]

@viral gladehttps://www.instantstreetview.com/@54.573152,-3.166364,59.27h,0.32p,2.3z,CAoSLEFGMVFpcE5NS0VIZXAyLTFEbkw1QS11dE8wXzZHbnR2MEJVV28zcDdJdWIt

I found the exact angle on street view

Took a bit of walking around

But there it is

[vagrant hazel]

Now check this out

Taking the heightmap data I can import a rough version into unreal engine

Extremely rough obviously, but now I can use this as a base for rebuilding an actual 3D skybox for the scene

Instead of just using some upscaled images or whatever

[proper grail]

Very cool!

[viral glade]

wooow, nice content!!!

oh, I found an interesting match these days

This photo was taken from the movie Buffalo 66!

The interesting thing is that the bowling in the movie is very similar to the bowling in the game.

but we can't see it very well in the movie 😦

[spark sandal]

SICK!!!

knowing that the toluca lake view is actually just an image it's glaringly obvious when you look at it now lol

[vagrant hazel]

Haha yeah it ruins the illusion a bit doesn't it!

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh that's really cool!

[vagrant hazel]

Woooooop

well bad news

Updated my remix files today

And SH2 no longer boots with remix

Not even on a completely clean install

[vagrant hazel]

Sooo yeah, bit fucked for now haha

[vagrant hazel]

If anyone else could test I'd really appreciate it! Going to need to write a ticket and hope to get this fixed at some point

[proper grail]

You updated to the latest build from Github?

I still get in with the latest build from Github, can't take screenshots outside of the RTX Remix option though

This is on a vanilla install though without any enhanced edition stuff

Useless tidbit: With ray reconstruction the sharp shadows across James face look similar to the original CG intro from the game

[vagrant hazel]

Oh weird...

Yeah I'm using the latest build, tried using the portal one too

[proper grail]

I'm going to try installing the EE

[vagrant hazel]

Please do!

[proper grail]

Still getting in with the settings from your guide :/

Don't know what could be different on your end

After installing the EE the light I placed doesn't load in anymore though

[vagrant hazel]

Man this is weeeeeeeeeeeird

Going to try reinstalling my drivers

@proper grailThank you so much for testing ❤️

[vagrant hazel]

This makes sense! The CG models and the in-game models appear to be based on the exact same toplogy

The in-game ones are just poly reduced and use different textures

[proper grail]

Oh, I didn't know that. That's cool.

[vagrant hazel]

Still can't launch the game, runs fine without remix.

Not sure what the heck has gone wrong

[proper grail]

Is it crashing right after launching or when you load a game? I noticed when I try to load a game it sometimes randomly crashes and sometimes doesn't.

[vagrant hazel]

Nah it just launches into a black screen for a while and then dies

This is what the game was like WAY in the beforetimes, before it started working with Remix

[viral glade]

try this version to see if it works, maybe it will help (it's official from the enhanced edition github)
https://github.com/elishacloud/Silent-Hill-2-Enhancements/actions/runs/8420878379

[vagrant hazel]

Thanks! I'll give it a whirl.

Just incredibly curious as to what would trigger this behaviour again all of a sudden

[viral glade]

[vagrant hazel]

So I've tried everything I can think of now and the game just doesn't run anymore.
I need some proper assistance here. @storm flax perhaps?

Runs fine without remix, I've made sure to apply all the settings that I've noted in my guide etc.
Just black screens and crashes

Yo wtf

I can't even start the remix toolkit anymore

[vagrant hazel]

Okay whaaat the fuckadoo, I just attempted to update my drivers (( Again )) and now it all runs???

This is like the third time this week that I've tried this

[paper zinc]

Create an image of the windows install and back it up

[vagrant hazel]

Well now that I can get in game again I had to try RR

Really brings those normal maps back in there

And the lighting in general is much more consistent

On vs off

On vs off

I do love how the roughness in metallic objects definitely comes back compared to what we had before

[runic pawn]

Can I have ur rtx.config ?

[runic pawn]

Why my game looks like this 💀

[vagrant hazel]

Because you don't have any lights

Remix can't pick up SH2's lights

So they need to be modded in

[dapper oyster]

Gonna visit the Akira Yamaoka band tour tomorrow

[vagrant hazel]

Oh shit 😮 I'm so jealous!

I know he was in Stockholm not too long ago

But I was busy with work 😭

[dapper oyster]

Last time seeing him in person was 7 years ago during a gamecon.
It's gonna be the first time i see him performing 😇

[dapper oyster]

You'll get another chance someday in the future. I believe so 😉

[vagrant hazel]

I'd better! I have a bunch of Vinyls he needs to sign 😄

[dapper oyster]

Sounds pretty hard to carry those around 😸

[desert patrol]

@vagrant hazel do you need any help in modding? perhaps splitting up some work could make the whole remix project go faster

but some coordination is needed so people don't have to do same work

[vagrant hazel]

I'm definitely not against the idea of collaborating, but I have some rules that I'm very strict on.

I'm very pertcular on the asset quality, I'm only looking for top notch stuff.

No AI.

Outside of art however, I can very much so use help in testing and trying to get the game more compatible with remix in general

The biggest blocker for the project atm is that remix just isn't terribly compatible with the game and presents a lot of weird issues

These need to be solved for progress of the mod to actually become smooth

[desert patrol]

what about sorting out the lights?

categorizing textures, etc

[vagrant hazel]

I'm lighting the scenes as the replacement assets come in, there's no point in putting down lights when you don't have the final assets, as it won't look the same in the end regardless

[desert patrol]

I wouldn't bother with asset replacement, I haven't been modding to that extent for decades

[vagrant hazel]

Right! Well in that case properly tagging textures is definitely a bonus! Although it will all be replaced in the end, but things like particle and UI textures etc definitely need it

[desert patrol]

I see, well I think at least placing the lights where they're supposed be could speed up the process, then there's matter of adjustment of said lights

[vagrant hazel]

The main issues right now is.

Figuring out how to get the flashlight working.
Figuring out how to get the fog working.
Figuring out how to make the UI stop crashing when remix is active

After these issues there's also of course actually going through and capturing every single scene in the game

Which will be quite a task

After which we also need to figure out a pipeline for replacing skeletal meshes

But I'll probably need the enhanced edition teams help with that one

[desert patrol]

you mean to replace the character models as well?

[vagrant hazel]

I'm replacing everything

[desert patrol]

I see. I guess that would be the toughest, as they're very high quality for that time, so going into more details could make it look weird

[vagrant hazel]

Nah the art itself isn't the issue, I got that

It's the pipeline itself

[desert patrol]

well, then I guess it's best to wait for updated remix to solve some of the issues

[vagrant hazel]

I've been waiting a looooooong time and the games compatability has only gotten worse haha

At this point I think it's up to us to try and solve this stuff

BUT! Things we can do right now is definitely stuff like tagging textures properly and doing scene captures

That alone would be a huge help

[proper grail]

I hope the stuff the team is looking into in regards to support for CPU skinned meshes pans out. A lot of SH2 is lit just via flashlight, so no flashlight kinda means no RTX remaster.

Was the issue with the shakey geometry ever fixed? I remember loading into the apartment and getting all sorts of gaps between the vertices.

[vagrant hazel]

Nah, vertex jitter is still very much a thing

However the postive thing there is that there's no jitter on replacement geo

Only the original game

Which I mean is still a bad problem

But at least it's not AS bad as not being able to use the flashlight

[proper grail]

Good to know that replacing geo works at least. So it's not a dealbreaker

[dapper oyster]

Guest is singing, still 30 mins away from Akira

[vagrant hazel]

I'm not jealous you're jealous 😭

[dapper oyster]

Wow one and a half hour!!

I thought it was gonna be only one hour!

[proper grail]

the GOAT

[dapper oyster]

The song list

[vagrant hazel]

What a lad ❤️

[viral glade]

niceeeeeeeeee

[dapper oyster]

https://youtu.be/OakLu7P5-Zg?si=MmZWH_ZmxCtYFVIE

Network has been utterly slow. It took me a whole day uploading this 🙉

[vagrant hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/waynes-world-party-on-headbang-gif-5117013204630411236

[dapper oyster]

the last of the 3 shows is happening right at this moment, i'm getting some updates from my friends there🥹

[vagrant hazel]

Just casually doing my japanese homework

When suddenly...

[viral glade]

Not a match, but a curiosity: the wall clock used in Laurence's "room" (in the hospital), is a Seiko (Seikosha) dated 1892, one of the first (or the first) wall clock made by Seiko.

I didn't find the exact image that was used to create him in SH2 (and it's also a little difficult to find good photos of him for his recreation), but with some work I managed to recreate him, but I'm still looking for better photos (without glass reflections).

[vagrant hazel]

Oooooh that's awesome information! Will help me model a spot on replica!

[primal siren]

Hey treggey have you tested the new remix runtime yet?

[vagrant hazel]

I have yeah! Was notified that a lot of fixes are supposed to be in! Sadly the new runtime leads me to a complete blackscreen again haha, so trying to figure out how to get the game to run once more

[primal siren]

ok if it helps i will try launching on my end and seeing how it goes

[vagrant hazel]

That'd be fantastic!

[proper grail]

0.5.0 works for me but the latest build crashes on boot. SH2 sadly never seems to get better with newer builds, it just breaks sometimes. 😢

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah they contacted me on the github stuff and mentioned they've implemented and tested a bunch of fixes

The lights and fog included

But I can't seem to get in game at all anymore

[proper grail]

Was it this message? "Hello! Will you please test this on the latest release and let us know if the issue persists? Thank you!" I think they sent that out to a bunch of old issues to get people to re-test stuff. Sadly in the cases of my issues nothing changed.

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah

Yes, yes that is indeed it X)

https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/rtx-remix/issues/402#issuecomment-2098937755

But I did also get this one

That was a bit more specifically adressed

Where they mention having tested things

[proper grail]

Oh, that's nice. Well outside of the fact that the game doesn't boot anymore 🙃

[vagrant hazel]

Hahaha yeah I was thinking things were finally going our way!

[primal siren]

the menu's still tank framerate but i think im into gameplay what setting was it i changed to make the lighting brighter?

[vagrant hazel]

Oh that's good! Do you mean ray reconstruction?

[proper grail]

Which version did you test?

[primal siren]

no i had to mess with a lighting option last time to get any lighting on my end cause your settings give a black screen until i changed it

[vagrant hazel]

Oooh right, yeah you need to enable the fallback lighting

[primal siren]

current version 3.0

[vagrant hazel]

Needs to be set to spherical with a radius of around 2000-5000

If you're still seeing black in game though I guess that means they didn't adress the issue 😛

So we might just be in for another round of downgrades lads haha

[primal siren]

uh oh that's new

at least new to me

[vagrant hazel]

Oh, wow yeah I've never seen that one before

[proper grail]

Yeah, I've been getting that for a while with newer RTX Remix versions. Happens in most games when Alt+Tabbing

[primal siren]

oh that makes sense

[vagrant hazel]

@flat idol Any clue what the above error could be?

[proper grail]

SH2 boots with the newest build when I use the generic DX8to9 wrapper instead of the SH2EE one

[vagrant hazel]

Oh O.o

Well that's problematic

[primal siren]

im still using the enhanced one

[vagrant hazel]

Super thanks for investigating this lads! Seriously!

[proper grail]

The fog still doesn't show up and there is no light translation happening. In those aspects, it's still the same as before

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah okay, no fixes for us then

[primal siren]

i am a moron and cant find those settings i need to change where is the settings?

[proper grail]

Are you using RTX Remix 0.5.0 or a newer build? 0.5.0 works with EE for me as well, it's newer builds that cause issues.

[vagrant hazel]

Could you guys comment on the Github threads?

They're all linked under the issues in my document - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hayGXNlAJZWOp2ivV8otdSMP23pbXk7DL-pfLq5ZJjU/edit#heading=h.gapto5tus2tl

[proper grail]

Yeah, I'll comment

[vagrant hazel]

Thanks ❤️ Seriously appreciate the help

[primal siren]

waaaaaaait is the omniverse repo older than the current one? cause if so i am very stupid and im not on latest

[vagrant hazel]

The game breaking more and more with every update has kind of taken some steam outa me ngl hah

[vagrant hazel]

Yeah it's way older

You'll want to use the auto downloader script to fetch latest in the easier way

[primal siren]

mmmm im sorry ok ill go test the new one

[vagrant hazel]

All good ^^ I'm just happy folks are testing with me!

Bashing my head against all these settings can be pretty exhausting haha

I guess it's time to go through all the EE settings again and see if disabling one of the still enabled enhancements will make it function again

My settings might just be outdated

[proper grail]

No problem. SH2 is one of the games I immediately try whenever there is a new release or someone reports improvements with other games, but sadly it seems to stay the same or regresses

[primal siren]

ok same result as you guys have described i got a black screen and the remix counter went from 10 snapped to 3 and then the game crashed

[vagrant hazel]

Yeeh we're not one of the big popular ones so probably not going to get a ton of direct attention ^^'

But oh well! We'll get there in time!

[vagrant hazel]

Aaah yup, exact same thing here